lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[rugged token]

he's doing it for his leaderboard and because number go up haha fun

[gray pagoda]

All my numbers are low 😦

[rough wasp]

btw @fast grail thought u removed him cause he asked or u fixing up some stuff?

[gray pagoda]

Specifically my Vman's damage lol. That needs to shoot up soon so I can beat Kruk to get more armor.

[rugged token]

My numbers will always be low comparatively

I do not min max sweat hard enough

[gray pagoda]

He does 24M damage

[fast grail]

He asked to be added back

[rough wasp]

i was just curious

[gray pagoda]

I don't get the point of min maxing, nor do I know how to do it, nor do I care how

Wait, lemme guess

Cause number go up haha fun

[rugged token]

it's less so about actually doing stuff that's big brain and more so about doing really tedious things consistently like hourly clicking and alt hopping every hour to check for 3d printer procs for more bubble clicks

[gray pagoda]

But why though? What about that is so dopamine inducing that you'd put yourself through it constantly?

[rugged token]

Big number haha fun

that is always the answer

just depends on how dedicated or insane the individual is

[gray pagoda]

Where do I find the chart showing the upcoming jewels and chips?

Wait, isn't there another choco coming in February?

[fast grail]

[rugged token]

there is a tab in IT that shows the chip rotations

Account -> W4 -> Lab -> chips & jewel rotation

[gray pagoda]

!it

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo#2331

[fathom lagoon]

Yea there is

[fast grail]

Honestly my defense is setup is so unoptimal, particularly my family obols, when checking defense, only defense obols are 4 amarock obols

3 sparkle obols would probably give me at least +100k

[night locust]

active farming on molten core, es or dk?

[fast grail]

what map is molton core and what are you trying to farm?

[sweet pine]

someone playing WoW

[night locust]

suggma map, i can do 150 portal kills on es, 500 orb on dk

[fast grail]

are you trying to get recipe?

[night locust]

yup

[fast grail]

then ES will be better

portal vs orb give different types of DR, so ES will be better for anything that is on the card of the mob

[night locust]

and dk on rare drop?

[swift rose]

ES (just to confirm)

[night locust]

tnx, ill switch to es then

[rough wasp]

bean.

[drifting breach]

Bro how

[swift rose]

Bean

[fast grail]

FMJ bubble

[drifting breach]

Fr dawg

[rough wasp]

camp is an fmj agenda pusher

[swift rose]

idk when i want to resample 😦

[rough wasp]

yes.

[fast grail]

I will keep on pushing
You'll all see surely lava will make more defense relevant in w6

[rough wasp]

resample w6

[swift rose]

resample deez nuts

[swift rose]

idk maybe its time

[normal minnow]

what lvl is ur fmj 💀

[rugged token]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-king-pepe-gif-21449134

[fast grail]

this was my FMJ a few days ago

[rugged token]

Me when someone gets me with a deez nuts joke

[rough wasp]

ok yeah resample

[sweet pine]

you can do it every 20-40 days then, if your sample better than your previous one + gold relic sample boost then you doing fine

[normal minnow]

well...

[stiff swan]

Assuming it’s really not worth it to try to greenstack food by buying it from shop?

[paper sail]

"only" takes like 9-10 months I buy them daily

[stiff swan]

Right

[rough wasp]

i should really start doing it for his 300 GS dream thatll be coming

[swift rose]

ok ill do it for you

[rough wasp]

100m logs inc

[fast grail]

im working on 200 GS now that scoli' bot is yelling at me

[rough wasp]

how many people did u ask about the 200 GS Scoli?

[paper sail]

For ordering them?

[rough wasp]

yea

[paper sail]

Technically I just posted in w5/endgame multiple times lol. Only about 10 people actually bit to look at my list

And of course used yours as a base

[rough wasp]

i dont like this

because i refuse to cycle 2min and check my forge rn

[paper sail]

I rubified mine, worth it for samples

[rough wasp]

yea i just dont have any left

6/6 bought

[paper sail]

Bummer

I have all 6 held still for w6

[rough wasp]

yea just praying he puts more for w6 shop

[paper sail]

I wish I would have bought out more of the early rubifiers. I missed 5-10

[rugged token]

me too

[paper sail]

Now the real question

[rough wasp]

cook speed cause im doing it

[paper sail]

🫡

[rugged token]

what is yours at now ducky?

[paper sail]

Done and done

[rough wasp]

19

[paper sail]

Dang 473k up from 289k

[rough wasp]

im atom printing for 20 so no more clicks for a bit

[paper sail]

That's pretty decent

[rugged token]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-giggles-peepogiggles-gif-21481319

i'm better then ducky at something again

[heavy moth]

the scaling of atom cost for power 10 is crazy tho

[rough wasp]

Gonna go farm some glass shards for a week or smt

[paper sail]

Only if I sample

[rough wasp]

Scoli what’re ur purple bubble 2 and 3?

[rough wasp]

thinking about pushing my bubble 3 more

after 1900 bubble 2

[heavy moth]

yea that why i started to max it to be ready to sample xD but that 65 mil ahah

63*

[paper sail]

I'm taking a quick break from sample bubbles to grab some more Utility stuff before w6 is out

My own tool in shambles as I ignore it

[rough wasp]

[gray pagoda]

Do you think Lava will ever give a bonus that decreases the amount of resources it takes to make an atom?

[stiff swan]

What to focus on here

[rough wasp]

time

[paper sail]

Time

You've sadly way overinvested into other things already

[stiff swan]

Oof

How bad

[rough wasp]

talent drop is quite high

[shy flame]

how high should time be before you go all wild on other stuff

[rough wasp]

yes

[paper sail]

Always time. It is so far the best, no comparison

[gray pagoda]

I know he's given a bonus for decreased atom prices, but what about decreased price to make atoms?

[stiff swan]

[paper sail]

math hard

[rough wasp]

at least urs higher than mine

[heavy moth]

only need higher prints

[shy flame]

but if always time how pearls

[gray pagoda]

Yes, but wouldn't it be nice to make an atom for the cost of 9.5 million resources instead of 10?

[heavy moth]

im lucky with printer go brrr XD got a day i put all on log and had around 20 procs XD

[paper sail]

1 point pearls is all you need

[heavy moth]

yea would be really nice, except if he doesnt add atom collider bonuses

[shy flame]

1 point everything all other points time ideal setup?

[paper sail]

If I could respec Killroy points, I'd put 1 in all and then 100% of the rest into time. Yes.

[visual mesa]

thanks. Please delete game from my camputah

[stiff swan]

If I speed click through killroy “pick your upgrade” while a last skull is on the ground, do I lose that skull

[gray pagoda]

Isn't respawn really useful too though?

[paper sail]

"Wow thanks for this free 5% afk gain, uninstall" is kinda a hot take imo

[paper sail]

Not in Killroy, no

[gray pagoda]

Who said it was free

[rough wasp]

i forgot this needed to be 1950 to be true 2.95x

[shy flame]

oh wow my bonus skull points are worthless rip

[gray pagoda]

What's y'all's favorite pet aesthetic wise?

[rough wasp]

bean.

[paper sail]

Doesn't really matter. You're still getting value out of every single level 🤷

[heavy moth]

ram ahah

[rough wasp]

ik

for some reason i thought it was 1900 for 2.95x

[gray pagoda]

And if you could have any mob as a pet (also aesthetic wise), what would you want?

[paper sail]

None

[gray pagoda]

Same lol

[rough wasp]

so i was gonna stop there

[rugged token]

Summoned pet makes game not happy so I don't summon pet to keep game from being Un-happy

[heavy moth]

and its a gamechanger quality wise not losing any afk loot XD missing it on alt and its a pain to see all taht stuff to waste

[paper sail]

Huge RIP to my first ever Bean that got recycled to get rid of my follower

[gray pagoda]

Fr. I unlocked it and was like "Wait, I don't need to leave stuff on the ground anymore"

[rugged token]

i have a few rams lined up if i need to take one out

[stiff swan]

Do you get anything for doing void trial but not getting a high score? Also is there a guide for void trial, didn’t see one in w5 or w3-4 chat pinned comments

[shy flame]

72 hours into bubo, all cauldrons now maxed, most if not all w6 bubbles unlocked, just improving liquids now

[rugged token]

Would be pretty QoL if you could 5>1 upgrade pets to the next tier

[gray pagoda]

Unless you're printing, no. I think there's a guide in #1084911530417606656

[paper sail]

Who is the madlad using my tool that actually gstacked Golden Peanuts? Unless it was cheated in, then I retract my pog
2024-01-12 03:38:49 Greenstacks.getUniqueGStacksInStorage~ FOUND UNEXPECTED GSTACKS!! {'PeanutG': 10010059}

[stiff swan]

What do you mean unless you’re printing

[gray pagoda]

Fr. Then us F2P players could actually get Doot.

[shy flame]

print monster mats on vman during speedrun

big multikuill

[gray pagoda]

Vman gets the highest prints on mob mats during void trial due to the attack increasing multikill while in trial.

[stiff swan]

I see

[heavy moth]

so many peanut crafted XD

[paper sail]

And respawn from killing the world bosses. Matters possibly more than the MK%

[rugged token]

i've got 286k gpeanuts and that took a while to craft don't want to think about crafting 9.62m more

[rough wasp]

craft more

[rugged token]

I probably will eventually make 1m

[gray pagoda]

It shouldn't be too hard, right?

[rough wasp]

not me i ran out of gold bars

[rugged token]

but that'll probably be my limit

[rough wasp]

im right below 1m pale

and its so sad

[shy flame]

gstack g and regular peanuts

[drifting breach]

Won’t it take almost 4 years to get doot for free

[rugged token]

then stop murdering frogs and kill some more beans

[paper sail]

10m is ~30 minutes of holding the button down, and you need 100 peanuts per.. That's a lot of craft time

[rough wasp]

nah

frogs are just as fast

[gray pagoda]

Nope. Longer, because you have to pay for the guaranteed one apparently.

[drifting breach]

Seriously😭

What the fuck

[gray pagoda]

Yep. I was pissed when I found out.

[shy flame]

also I forgot that using autoreview obviously gives you some data too

sorry for json spam I wanted to make the pinchy pinch less

[stiff swan]

What is Voidal? Don’t see a voidal skill?

[gray pagoda]

Lava said it was so you can't get the guaranteed one as untraceable. He thought people would "appreciate" that.

[rough wasp]

Scoli has a bunch of test accounts

[lilac bolt]

for pushing w5 how far i should get in LAB

[paper sail]

Bare minimum. Each time it gets used, I log out the character names and time it started running, plus how old the save data it found was. Only recently with gstacks did I start printing Unexpected items, and it is only to more accurately tune my list of expected items once W6 drops. I'll quit logging it probably a week or two into w6 and go back to just names/times 🙂

[gray pagoda]

Honestly, there's a lot of things I'd like to say about Lava but can't because he sees anything negative as a literal threat to his life, so he bans them.

[paper sail]

Honestly I only do names/times to help get ahead of reports where people tell me something is broken but don't give me their character name to look for myself I try to guess search lol

[gray pagoda]

Throwback to when Lava called P2W players communists

[fast grail]

his argument for having to pay for final roll to get doot was that he didnt want people to reach pity and then get an untradeable doot

[rugged token]

IF he did allow us to 5>1 for next pet it would only take 9,765,625 Frogs to make a Doot

[rough wasp]

GS frogs

[gray pagoda]

That's if he made the frog go to the next common pet, which wouldn't make much sense, but he'd totally do it.

[rugged token]

That's the order in which they roll so that's the way he'd do it

[lilac bolt]

this ok for pushing w5?

[gray pagoda]

Not to mention he made Palmer quit. I'm still pissed as hell about that.

We lost a brother that day

[paper sail]

Not ideal, but yes

[rugged token]

I wouldn't go as far as to say that lava has made anyone quit the game, he just pushes out updates he think's will do well or that he wants in his game and people decide for themselves whether or not they like it

[sick sentinel]

Didn't a bunch of ppl get mad cause he rolled for doot and that was likely what cause him to quit

[fast grail]

Cant remember there were a lot of riots at dooters, but i do remember palmer having doot

[heavy moth]

sad day

[gray pagoda]

Lava definitely thinks he has great ideas, but he doesn't listen when people say "Actually, that's not really that good of an idea." He takes shit too personal and cries about it. Palmer saw how toxic Lava had gotten and how the companions affected the community. He didn't think it was right to support that.

[lilac bolt]

if i have 1 DK afk pushing, 1 BB kitchen, maestro skilling , rest lab ?

[shy flame]

ty for taking time to express that you respect privacy

[rugged token]

Yeah, but no where in that was he forced to quit. He made a choice that he believed was right.

[stiff swan]

What’s the thing that boosts something for every random event you do? I remember seeing it, can’t remember where it is or what it boosts

[paper sail]

IF you're AFK pushing without Multikill, you may even use your BB to do so. They tend to have better KPH because of Monster Decimator talent until other classes get Multikill. Alternatively, you can just wait for more damage before pushing

[heavy moth]

whats the late/endgame Cranium cooking time

[primal bison]

Who got the drop rate checklist?

[shy flame]

Lava is the sole programmer, yes?

[rugged token]

400k+

[sick sentinel]

Cooking equinox thing?

[paper sail]

Equinox > Food Lust

[stiff swan]

Also does anyone know the answer here pls

[modern plaza]

everyone takes stuff personally

[pale jay]

Island, pay with bottles

[gray pagoda]

Still, Lava has made no effort to correct this. You still have to pay for Doot, regardless of what the pity system makes you think

[heavy moth]

was hoping for more precise XD getting 450K

[pale jay]

Vman go boom, aoe, everything dies

[sick sentinel]

A few like nerfus and rashaken are around 500k

[outer fox]

BIS for sampling is Magma>Kattlekruk right?

[shy flame]

I'm just asking to confirm if Lava is the sole dev because like, it can kinda be hard on a solo dev when you literally have tens of thousands of people forming opinions on your work and willing to just go wildly negative about you

[lilac bolt]

i now unlocked tiger, who to link him

[gray pagoda]

I haven't met anyone who straight up prevents people from giving their feedback though. He didn't just ban people from the Discord, he IP banned them, so they couldn't even use the same wifi on an alt account.

[heavy moth]

oufff still got work to do, what boost it to that more talent level or more point in bubble

[sick sentinel]

Probably a little of both sprinkled with PC perormance

[pale jay]

He is solo dev, looked into getting someone else involved, but opted not to afaicr

[rugged token]

1/27 crystal chance and everything for it maxed, then it's just more bubble level and game performance

[rough wasp]

i can hit 470k pretty consistently at wurms now

[light cradle]

its even harder when YOU CHOOSE to be alone during this process as well

[heavy moth]

ohhhdidnt know pc had a say in that rip mine is trash AHAHA

[gray pagoda]

That's the risk you take being a solo developer though. If people don't like your idea, just improve on it. If people say "We don't like how much you have to pay for this system", don't make a pity system that forces payment at the end. It didn't even make it to iOS at first because it went against their guidelines for gambling.

[heavy moth]

whats your roadkill bubble at

[rugged token]

it's not as big as you'd think it would be, it's probably the difference of like 10k seconds at max

[heavy moth]

ohh ok so still place for upgrade before caping cause of it

[rough wasp]

1/25 now

[rugged token]

sweaty nerd

[heavy moth]

so clsoe XD

[rough wasp]

nerfus has 4.06%

[shy flame]

I'm mostly just saying that it can be a lot. I kinda think the doot stuff is shitty and that autoloot not being gem buyable is weird considered how key it is. But it's a bit different to be like "hello here are small specific things I don't like" and "you are an absolute piece of garbage as a person", like, idk Lava personally, idk what's going on with Lava.

[rugged token]

Doot convo has gotten to the point of loggerheads so probably just drop it guys

that's what usually causes the issues anyways

[shy flame]

idk what loggerheads are, I just kinda want to be chill when it comes to smaller game devs or game studios \

[noble sable]

How

I hit only 350k

With roadkill 2k

[shy flame]

All I can think of is the logs on logs talent lol

[sweet pine]

he was a kind dude once when my friend bought a wrong pack that dont have trail blaze, he simply just gave him the thing.

[rugged token]

disagreement with no end in sight is essentially what it means

[sweet pine]

but after the "criticism incident", idk anymore

[noble sable]

Oh, i didnt know 5k roadkill make that Diff

[shy flame]

ohhhh okay

yeah, if things are arguments they're pretty much just pointless, I just support a few indie devs/studios so they are precious to me

[gray pagoda]

I mean, he kind of is sometimes though. He called P2W players, the people who are the main source of income for his game, communists, he told someone to take down their video on YouTube explaining how to do the treasure hunt quests for W2 because he wanted people to watch his video, and his fits cause good people to get straight up IP banned because they didn't like his system. If hundreds of people are saying "This is a bad thing, please change it", to something you add, the problem isn't them, it's you.

[rugged token]

pretty much just no point in continuing it because it's going to end poorly and drown out anyone actually wanting to talk about other things

[noble sable]

Autoloot is free I saved money with Google rewarda and bought

[pale jay]

Google rewards costs you your soul

[sweet pine]

just stop talking about him then before someone "accidentally disappear"

[noble sable]

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[swift rose]

@rough wasp

[rough wasp]

good bye Giuseppe

[noble sable]

Me??? Noooooooooooo

[shy flame]

pls post frog Ws instead of frog Ls ty they are my friends

[gray pagoda]

Honestly, good point. Thats why I don't talk about these things, cause I don't want the big guy (or one of his henchmen) to notice and for me to be one of those who were banned.

[rugged token]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[shy flame]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hat-gentleman-frog-frog-steal-hat-gif-27460400

here is a superior frog gif of a frog gentleman

[gray pagoda]

What a refined gentleman 🎩

[shy flame]

his hat is being taken off to put on a hat rack because it is improper to wear hats indoors

[gray pagoda]

Nonsense, let the gentleman wear his hat!

[shy flame]

I've heard 100 is like a decent hourly liquid regen rate for end game, is that 100 after dragonic cauldron?

[short sparrow]

I don't understand how you guys are getting prints in the millions 😭 in still at like 20k

[spice meadow]

Ways to increase gaming gains?

Already have the two artifacts and im slowly progressing the gaming upgrades

[shy flame]

as you continuously progress alchemy, stamps, etc a lot of bonuses just pile up towards like your afk gains, your skilling power, your multi-log/ore/fish/bug, your base stats, prowess, etc

[swift rose]

are you at the end of w5?

[spice meadow]

20k on what? Depends on the material youre printing

[sweet pine]

20k frisbee plot

[short sparrow]

My best print right now is like 20k oak

[short sparrow]

Currently at purgatory stalkers

[spice meadow]

Ouch

Your stamps and alchemy proly need a lot of love

And i mean a lot

[swift rose]

yea alchemy and stamps are basically the answer, stamps get easier once your bubo is CCing at worms

[shy flame]

You're making sure to use logs on logs when sampliong too right? like I said, alchemy and stamps

[short sparrow]

Well I was off by a bit my oak is at 33.8k

[gusty glade]

Yoob if you want some more detail, you should sign up with idleefficiency (3rd party safe website), upload your profile to the public, and then use Scoli's bot.
Sounds like a lot, but it'll align you to where you need to be if you're a bit overwhelmed atm

[shy flame]

But if you're also forgetting logs on logs, it's hurting you even more

[shy flame]

You can ignore public profile and just plug raw data in

[short sparrow]

I've been using IT with scolis bot

[gusty glade]

"Do better alchemy" is too broad and that bot will help you step-by-step if you wanted

[paper sail]

I expect a new W5 account to be ~500k oaks, for reference. You're missing something big, or several medium sized things

[spice meadow]

Youre using the eficiency prayer when sampling? @short sparrow

[gusty glade]

ahh there you go. focus on his stamp and alchemy section as best you can as EARLY as you can.

[shy flame]

ooo skilled dimwit is a good catch

[short sparrow]

https://idleontoolbox.com/?profile=Yooberz

If anyone wants to take a look lmao

[shy flame]

I might in a sec, mid battle in Total War: Medieval 2

[paper sail]

My immediate quick notice is you haven't booked talents

[night locust]

dont ignore your post office bro

[paper sail]

tab1 Smart Eff and tab2 Log on Logs are both massssssive

[short sparrow]

Ahh

[shy flame]

okay nvm Milan is going wild

[paper sail]

and another common mistake: You need to actually CAST log on logs before sampling. Having it just on your bar isn't enough. The buff needs to be active in the top right corner

[short sparrow]

Oh I do cast it yeah

[night locust]

and unlock all the card slots

[shy flame]

same for maestro transfusion is I literally just learned like two days ago

Yoob, you in w5?

[short sparrow]

I am

[shy flame]

I think you have an issue similar to another discord member, Adeepta, where you kinda got to W5 too early and haven't really taken time to improve alchemy basics, just get class levels (sometimes all you really need is more talent points)

[spice meadow]

Did you push with candies? Got the 50 day proc on the random time ones?

[short sparrow]

I did push with candy yeah

[shy flame]

Your average class level is like 107, which is.... extremely low

[paper sail]

Yeah, unfortunately it looks like a bit of everything. No choppin gear is being worn, no choppin food, half the tools are missing, wearing EXP cards. I am proud of you for having Maestro as 1st in Choppin though Just keep working on it

[shy flame]

if you can handle w5 mobs, your fastest point of progression is probably just powering afking w5 mobs for like a day

[short sparrow]

Yeah I've definitely neglected my bubo lol

[shy flame]

can't do much without talent points

[short sparrow]

I should probably get him up to speed so he can at least do suggma

[shy flame]

Have you never done w2 colo or is that like an IT bug?

[short sparrow]

I'm pretty sure I've done it? I suppose it's possible I skipped right over it though heh

[spice meadow]

Wolf would be proud

[stiff swan]

Is your % chance to get a lvl 100 the star talent book from flurbo shop…completely unchangeable

Stuck on the second to last one, lvl 96 book twice

[spice meadow]

Yes

I gave up on getting the ultra crits, lol

Cant get lvl100

[shy flame]

I think the earlier suggestion to focus on Scoli's tool may be best, there's a lot of things for you to work on, which is okay, most people in this chat have plenty to work on too

[paper sail]

I bought over 60 books before I unlocked Megacrit 😭

[shy flame]

I personally find it easier to focus on just one thing at a time, I don't wanna get overwhelmed by trying to do everything

[short sparrow]

Yeah. I'm focusing on spamming rooted souls currently to level royal sampler

[spice meadow]

Do everything, be confused like me >:]

[paper sail]

As much as I like my own tool, do still ask questions here to understand WHY I'm recommending things, or HOW to efficiently do those tasks. I give goalposts, not full roadmaps

[short sparrow]

For sure! It's a good tool though, definitely gives a good roadmap

[pearl cedar]

All roads lead to w1 map 3

[hazy hinge]

dumb question here. what does the meteorite ring actually do?

[rough wasp]

wait buddha how much upgrade stones do u get 1h at beans

[pearl cedar]

Uhh not entirely sure. Think it's like 90kish a day or so

[rough wasp]

maybe i needa test on my DK

[eternal wasp]

Its a chat ring..

[rough wasp]

shit

i need to push my frog agenda more

[pearl cedar]

Sp 50 days ago I had 4.6m TPs and 4.8m mystery stones. Currently have 9.65m mystery stones amd 10m TPs.

[fast grail]

Why are you at frogs

[spice meadow]

when? I know that lava said something about it on a stream but i dont see them

[pearl cedar]

Frogs is the new thing

[short sparrow]

Hmmm so should I just slap all my boxes into chop for my bubo? 👀

[pearl cedar]

Similar rates to DK on beans with Bubo

[spice meadow]

No

[shrewd hound]

what is the final cauldron cost for all 5 w6 bubbles?

[fast grail]

So its just bubo at frogs and its roughly the same statues as dk on beans?

[shy flame]

not so fast

[short sparrow]

Late Jan early Feb apparently

[shrewd hound]

allegedly

[pearl cedar]

A little less but not crazy. Like within 5-10%

[fast grail]

with talent levels are frogs that much better than old sticks? or good because new map layout?

[short sparrow]

Split between alch and chop?

[rough wasp]

prob both

its just that im tired of wurms and want some more statues tbh

[spice meadow]

Go full alch, do choping on your wizard instead

[rough wasp]

while getting decants still

[stiff swan]

Started buying action frenzy books in 4’s cuz I’ve bought maybe about 30 now. I got 2 level 100 books burning my last 800 flurbos

[heavy moth]

how much CC you getting at frog ?

[rough wasp]

~330k

[fast grail]

my bubo has been a long time wurm enjoyer

[shy flame]

okay that is a compelling argument to betray my froggy friends but I must not

[rough wasp]

i should go back tbh and stack up all the grilled nomwiches

[shy flame]

I will test frogs for myself but it is still sicko behavior to murder frogs

[fast grail]

My bubo wurm kills are catching up to my gmush kills

[shy flame]

(except for eclipse skull some sacrifices are necessary)

[night locust]

Q: why bubo on frogs?, isnt dk better?

[heavy moth]

mine past my gmush sadly ahahah 86bil tremor

gotta candy more gmush now

[pearl cedar]

Feel that my clammies are like double my gmush kills

[shy flame]

bub on frogs to hurt me specifically

[rough wasp]

Mine only 1/5th of gmush for clammies

means more candy for shrines

[pearl cedar]

Disregard basically the same. Thought I had way more clammies

115b clammies and 105b gmush

[fast grail]

At this point im just not using candies because w6 will surely give us stupid things

[shy flame]

is it the food box or utility box in PO that is secretly good?

oh hey, got dice dynamo trophy 72 hours into Bubo

[pearl cedar]

I need to replenish my big candy

[fast grail]

My candy is stash is sad because i am not a colo/po6 enjoyer

[shy flame]

Someone a few days ago said 1 week max for dynamo, I left my dice roller on last slot so I feel like just under half of week given the skill is barely proccing is pretty good

[pearl cedar]

Oh @fast grail maybe I should upload. I think this puts me at the top.

[fast grail]

Would put you at the top for w1-w3 by like +100

3rd place it looks like for all bubbles

[pearl cedar]

The w4-5 bubbles I neglected so in timegated there

[shy flame]

did someone figure out how to 5 skull this week's boss yet?

[visual mesa]

finally some decent obols

[shy flame]

what stats do the kruk sparkles give?

[visual mesa]

insane bro

[fast grail]

How does one have kruk obols, but no pop

[shy flame]

forsaking gigatoads to protect frogkind

[sacred verge]

i was thinking the exact same

[visual mesa]

wow this helped a lot. I was just ignoring this equnox since it came out

[pearl cedar]

Dmg is useless so not a bad play tbh

[visual mesa]

yeah until you need to kill 7 characters in a row last boss at 2nd dificulty

my 4 character is maestro. sooo. Im pretty stupid

[sacred verge]

it would be funny if lava decides we need insane dmg for w6

[shy flame]

if you think 2nd difficultly is bad I have some rough news about 3rd difficulty

[visual mesa]

i was just grinding it for like an hour to kill it

[chilly siren]

"dmg is useless" said people that can 1 shot mobs

[shy flame]

my 6th and 7th characters are vmen

[visual mesa]

30-40 min on my 1st character to kill it

[visual mesa]

you are fcted

[pearl cedar]

Well that probably means you're missing a bunch of other stuff

[shy flame]

please remember I have to get back to back vmen kills on nightmare kruk somehow

[visual mesa]

exactly

[pearl cedar]

Become a QS enjoyer

[visual mesa]

I just beat it from 6 characters and i need to just grind to a boss spot on my 7

[shy flame]

my idleon fashion is ruined because I can't get the best scarf

[chilly siren]

probably i miss autoloot + a good enough pc to let my bubo afk overnight

[shy flame]

if it makes you feel better almost every computer in the world isn't good enough to let ES active for 10 seconds

[chilly siren]

ES the fps destroyer

[visual mesa]

I wonder how many it will take from citringes to boss spot with no armor and like W2 weapon

[shy flame]

ES is best class to active because it reminds you of sitting down with Grandma as she slowly flips through a photo album

[visual mesa]

AHHAHAHA

just buy a pc man xd

[visual mesa]

look at this CHAD

[shy flame]

I uh, I have a PC, I'm on PC rn

if ES doesn't lag you it's cause you need more progress

[pearl cedar]

Would you like to know the secret to no lag ES

[visual mesa]

how more

[shy flame]

Teach me oh wise one

[fast grail]

Ah, a worthy rival

[visual mesa]

what is this damage

and whats up with 445 crit chance

how it is even possible

[fast grail]

Statues give a ton

[static basin]

hey camp i had a couple of ideas for a leaderboard category, total shiny levels and total top 10's :D

[shy flame]

Only leaderboard category should be beans consumed tbh

[fast grail]

oo, shiny level is a good one that i have not had yet, total top 10s is something i want to do, need to find a way to do it by not re-calculating all the leaderboards

[pearl cedar]

More like this

[shy flame]

Wait, are you in charge of leaderboards?

[static basin]

he's the guy

https://tenor.com/view/guy-im-the-guy-spy-kids-the-guy-gif-24510920

[pearl cedar]

Turn off your monitor

[fast grail]

my sb at least has more damage

[fast grail]

yessir

[visual mesa]

yeah no way this damage is...

just login in my account at fix it LOL

[shy flame]

I've been told to look at leaderboards but idk how, is it like something I need to go back and check off on like suggestions?

[shy flame]

https://tenor.com/view/nycrhythm-danny-g-gif-24660696

[fast grail]

it used to be a pin in this channel
there is a link to it in tips-n-tricks that you might not have access to

[shy flame]

Ah okay, if no access that's fine, was just curious

[static basin]

https://idleonleaderboards.com/

[fast grail]

francis posted link, its also in the pin of my post here https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1177678229507674142

[sacred verge]

i suggest "dogbones collected"

[pearl cedar]

But for real lol. My desktop is relatively old with a shitty gpu. I just rdp into most of the time from my phone and dont have my monitor on and get little to no lag on ES/cogs/etc. Only thing that really slows down is TD

[sacred verge]

or maybe strange rocks collected

[shy flame]

Kk, only leaderboards I ever saw were in IE and they didn't work 💀

[fast grail]

Quest drop leaderboards kinda weird, dont know about doing those

[sacred verge]

i wasnt very serious 😄 hehe

[fast grail]

ahh, well ill be doing number of greenstacks at some point here

[sacred verge]

gems might be funnt tho

[fast grail]

think ie/it remove gems on public profiles

[sacred verge]

ahh

probably for the best

[fast grail]

would be able to see unclaimed gems that are in chest, but thats about it

[sacred verge]

i see no reason to do that, wouldnt be the correct number anyway

[fast grail]

yeah, not a fun one, generally against "stored" things but made an exception for particles

[sacred verge]

yeah its interesting to see what opthers got

more so than to compete in the category imo

[whole slate]

shit rhymes

[pearl cedar]

They worked. Until they were nuked anyways

[raven fog]

How do yall have 24 dr i am at around 20 and i almost have everything besides the keychains

[sacred verge]

clearly not 😛

but its a bit hard to say, use the DR calculator in tips and tricks

[raven fog]

I mean mainly the lategamers

I am using it and i have put everything

Besides keychain

[sacred verge]

then you should end around 23.5-24

[pearl cedar]

How much plunderous?

[raven fog]

50k

[keen elbow]

Why is it showing 0 nugs

I'm definitely not at 0

[sacred verge]

thats tiny

should get more

[keen elbow]

Haven't upgraded for a month or so

[sacred verge]

its still pretty usefull gains for you there

[pearl cedar]

Still missing a good amount though

You have the new DR talent? And is it a decent level

[raven fog]

How can it get up to 24 from this

[sacred verge]

bro

obols

[raven fog]

Yah it’s there

[sacred verge]

nvm sorry

im a bit tired i thought you missed some

prayer?

[raven fog]

Yah

It’s checked

[pearl cedar]

6 star the thermo

[raven fog]

What’s your dr

[sacred verge]

you did not put in anything for midas?

am i correct

[raven fog]

Yah well it won’t get to 24

[gentle furnace]

Keychains

[raven fog]

Thatslike 50

So it will be 21-22

[gentle furnace]

75 with doubler and even more after sb talent multi

[raven fog]

Where do the last tow

[raven fog]

It will be around 122ish

[raven fog]

Dam

[sacred verge]

your low plunder is holding you back quite a bit

[pearl cedar]

Yes but that's on the way to 24. To get 24+ you have to do everything

[raven fog]

Share the claculater if u have it

[sacred verge]

i dont have it now

[raven fog]

Whats urs

[sacred verge]

about 300k

[raven fog]

I will push it

And farm keys

It will take weeks if active sb right

[pearl cedar]

Yes

What keychains do you have?

[raven fog]

Ig dr is worth it

None of the dr ones

[pearl cedar]

Like even f2p ones?

[raven fog]

I have afk and mob respawn

[raven fog]

Yap

Not even those

Where to get them

[sacred verge]

also your equinox uppgrade is low

[raven fog]

3rd tire

[pearl cedar]

[raven fog]

Or second

[sacred verge]

faux jewel or whatever its called

[rough wasp]

do u have equinox upgrade

[pearl cedar]

2nd

[raven fog]

Yah the challenges are hard

[pearl cedar]

Yeah but that required 100 pickles

[keen elbow]

no

[rough wasp]

yeah it only matters with equinox upgrade

[sacred verge]

you can get to 16 without pickle challenge

[keen elbow]

No im just wondering why the nugget count is 0

[rough wasp]

its why it exists

[keen elbow]

I know nug is useless before i get the upgrade

[rough wasp]

yea it doesnt care until u have equinox upgrade

[keen elbow]

O lmoa

[ivory arch]

Got my 1st god

[rough wasp]

doesnt count any nugget u rolled since theres no multiplier

[ivory arch]

[keen elbow]

Gotcha gotcha

[pearl cedar]

Perfect f2p DR chains are 16% ea. With one doubled that's .48 you're missing with dr bonuses that's like .6-7 you're missing

[sacred verge]

so its another 0.5 DR from just equinox

excluding the 100 pickle

[pearl cedar]

To go from 20 to 24 requires a lot man. And you have to realize every .01 adds up.

Oh you're also missing 5k char level

[raven fog]

Yah

How do yk

[warm kelp]

gl, this is the worst grind in my opinion 😄

[whole slate]

i dont think im making it

[pearl cedar]

Cause you only have 3 sparkles

[sacred verge]

there is quite a bit small details who are lacking

[whole slate]

gg's

[sacred verge]

shiny pets also adds a bit

bubble

[shy flame]

I am going to max poison frogge

[rugged token]

good luck with that, 9k~ per max claim on 20min boxes

[raven fog]

And they all add up

[sacred verge]

yup, also theyr bigger than it looks cause of multipliers

[shy flame]

I don't need luck I need frogge

[rugged token]

122,222 20 minute trap claims roughly for r13 poison froge vial

[eternal wasp]

How many years is that?

[sacred verge]

i wonder if maxing rare drop vials will be viable some time in the future

besides w8 end game

[shy flame]

you max poison frogge because you love frogge not because it's efficient or viable

[ivory arch]

Got my mineing samples up with the snake god, now to resample on every1

Voids allmost 3k

[rugged token]

2,444,444 minutes total, 40,740 hours, 1,697.5 days, 4.65 years assuming perfect 20 minute claims

[dapper prism]

Shiny stuff will only work if reworked/changed to not be limited by 1 per trap.

[shy flame]

if it takes 4.65 years it takes 4.65 years I love frogge

[chilly siren]

let's hope w6 give some bonus for the shiny critter gain so it wouldn't take 4.65 years for lvl 13 vial

[rugged token]

game is done after w8, assuming he follows a relative time schedule of world releases the game has 24 more months until it's nearing it's end so you'll still be doing poison froge for 2.65 years after the game is done being developed assuming there aren't any changes to shiny trapping

[shy flame]

I understand the maths, I know it's not a realistic goal and may not even be an achieveable one. I know it isn't the most optimal thing to work towards. But sometimes ya gotta do things just for you, ya know? instead of for optimal efficient gameplay

[snow hamlet]

assuming he actually ends it at w8

[eternal wasp]

Not gonna happen

[rugged token]

Depends on how he feels about it when he gets there, he's already said in the past he wanted to be done with w8 so who knows what mood he was in when he formulated that thought

[shy flame]

sometimes it's okay to let people be inefficient when their satisfaction comes from that inefficiency

[rugged token]

There is a pretty substantial difference between inefficient and not achievable by a human

[fathom lagoon]

Wait fr? Damn

[shy flame]

hello illumi

[snow hamlet]

This game is a cash cow

[fathom lagoon]

Sup brand

[snow hamlet]

There could be some kind of fresh slate, dimension 2 kinda stuff

[shy flame]

I'm more just saying that like, yes, I understand it's all very silly to wait to max poison frogge, but like, I think that's a fun goal to strive for, even if it's silly and impossible

I wouldn't advise others to do that lol, it's just something I like for my own sake

[rugged token]

every game that is marginally successful is a cash cow

[snow hamlet]

the scale of idleon vs idle skilling is crazy

I wouldn't be shocked if the first 2 weeks after companions brought in more money than all of idle skilling

It's not easy to build a playerbase like this game

[shy flame]

idleskilling had no appeal to me because it didn't wanna run through proton

[warm parcel]

20 mins late to this party, but isn’t there an (ineffective) prayer to do exactly that?

[rugged token]

shiny snitch prayer, you'll outscale the curse pretty quickly

[shy flame]

AH HELL

I missed out on bubo's first frog run

[warm parcel]

Oh, really? I was wondering if it worked with no more praying…

[shy flame]

I mean there's the 1/5th bonus from whatever in w5 or whatever, but I think most people prefer specific, goal oriented prayers over just getting small boosts in general

[rugged token]

it does work with no more praying afaik but the only reason to use no more praying would be extra DR for your DK for doing w2 colo

[ashen marsh]

do you guys max this?

[warm parcel]

Yeah, but if I can’t put scale the curse enough, maybe the fraction of the boon on whatever char claims could be worth…

[rugged token]

if you don't have anywhere else to put the points you may as well

[warm parcel]

Eventually, once you’ve got enough clouds to matter.

But opportunity cost exists, so prioritize

[rugged token]

use critter num nums with food effect until you outscale the curse and no longer need the boost food for shinies

[shy flame]

imagine having enough star talent points to just throw them wherever

[ashen marsh]

yeah I gotta get everyone to lvl 250

smh

[shy flame]

there's also a cloud for everyone at 500

[ashen marsh]

oh hell no

[shy flame]

which also gives you last family obol slot

[rugged token]

it's alright, nothing ot write home about

[warm parcel]

I’m just barely starting to get everybody close to 400. Grind time is your friend

[rugged token]

pretty sure it's additive so that 96.7% isn't as much as you'd think

[shy flame]

grind time is my best friend

"hello can you fix my account" "Yes" "What will it cost" "water"

[warm parcel]

It’s also got asymptotic growth, so the ~100th point is minimally impactful compared to the first few.

[shy flame]

do you mean asymmetrical growth?

[warm parcel]

Fr. Just leave the game open on auto-bubo and check back every couple hours. A few weeks of that STILL isn’t enough water.

[shy flame]

I'm over 72 hours in to auto bubo lol

ah google suggests asymptotic refers to a thing in math I'm too stupid to have learned

[ivory arch]

And most my resampleing done

[warm parcel]

Asymptotic approaches zero. The first few points might be full percent points, but as you reach higher values, they may grind to .001%. Most of the skills in the game are either asymptotic or logarithmic.

[ivory arch]

Havent really done much on last 2 guys to get a good sample out of

[rugged token]

if you want a more simple explanation it's front loaded in points and it's non-linear scaling

[ivory arch]

Rn journeys just skilling, and archer i havent touched

[shy flame]

diminishing returns but in a different way from logs, yeah?

is there like a drawing option instead of gifs or emojis

this feels like the perfect time to draw lines

errr, curves, technically

[lone stag]

Hey all, sorry to ask a stupid question but I've actually just unlocked doot and was wondering what I should be doing or setting up? I can see massive buffs to a bunch of things, wondering what y'all do

[warm parcel]

Yeah. Usually by each one getting a fixed portion closer to a “goal” that’s never actually reached. Like, for example, crystal countdown gets 2% closer to 100% each level. So the first level is a full 2%, but the next is 1.98, and it continues shrinking. If you somehow got it to lvl 10000000000000, it would still only be at 99% and each new level would be basically nothing.

[warm parcel]

For the most part, Pretend it’s not there and go business as usual.

[shy flame]

Link one person to purrmep that's all

[warm parcel]

You still need someone linked to the cat/tiger. That’s the main thing to remember.

[rugged token]

if all of your characters are level 2 in divinity they can just sit in lab instead of on the div altar to level both div/lab, you just need to go swap out their praying style when they reach new thresholds

[shy flame]

Purrmep is most likely a liger imo

[warm parcel]

You still need to unlock gods for other reasons and level div for minor bonuses.

[lone stag]

I'm just so overwhelmed, was looking for resources and guides on what to do that weren't written week 1 of the update

But duly noted, will link them and lab them

[chilly siren]

lvl everyone to lvl 2 to active bonus
gradually unlock god and link 1 to purrmep
other than that nothing to be worry about

you have permanent 10 lab rat now

[shy flame]

Doot basically makes all divinities linked for all your characters always I think, but Purrmep specifically can only be linked to one character

[lone stag]

I mean I have every God unlocked, lvl 80 div and lvl 100 lab too lol

[chilly siren]

you don't even have to think about div again now

kekw

[dapper prism]

well yeh but its still essentially just a basic multiplier that doesnt do much at all
I meant like proper scaling

[lilac bolt]

@dapper prism save for organic box now ye

[dapper prism]

idk

[warm parcel]

Then yeah, just enjoy the fact that you’re better at everything now. You don’t need to DO anything special. You’ll just progress way faster while ignoring a level of tedium.

[shy flame]

Except have one guy link to liger due to it's specificity

[chilly siren]

also you get 10x omniphau too = free bonus playing time

[lone stag]

Fair enough, didn't want to miss out on any gains by not setting things up for max efficiency

[dapper prism]

World 5 Doot companion owners:
https://imgur.com/kXkZfj9

New to W5? Welcome!
W5 is the ideal time to backtrack and do stuff like this to name a few:
https://imgur.com/c1RhPXA

[chilly siren]

actually if you already have all divinity, i don't think purrmep is that important too
it give 2x exp and 2x div gain to everyone when activated

[dapper prism]

Even with doot you still 100% need to do div.

[dapper prism]

You want the extra Arctic levels, pretty nice and important tbh

[warm parcel]

Well, that needed to be done anyway. I’m just saying that there’s no,”now that you have doot, do this or your missing out” advice. Act as though you do t have him and enjoy the bonus he brings.

[chilly siren]

but he said he have every god, everyone at 80, all div maxed

[dapper prism]

There's still breakpoints for extra levels from arctic

[shy flame]

Purrmep being a liger is the absolute dumbest hill I'll die on, which is saying a lot because I'm pretty sure everyone here would agree I'm a giga dumb moron

[chilly siren]

isn't arctis bonus maxed at div lvl 60 ?

[dapper prism]

No

[chilly siren]

oh i thought 60 would give 100% bonus from minor link

[dapper prism]

There is no real 100%

stuff just scales worse and worse

[chilly siren]

bruh i hate diminishing return shit

[warm parcel]

Those are asymptotic, too. So you can never reach the max.

[dapper prism]

although for something like arctic ig at some point u wont be able to reach the next breakpoint

[shy flame]

Is there any correlation between asymptotic and quadratic? I haven't heard someone say asymptotic before so trying to understand

[whole slate]

work on ur grow timer lol

[chilly siren]

good lord at least grind time is linear

[shy flame]

In terms of math I use calculator for addition

[dapper prism]

like, the last properly obtainable breakpoint im doing right now is level 155 div with 1440 big P (or 153 with like 2k+ big P) which gives +17 levels on arctic.

Getting those 1-2 extra levels on every alt/every talent is nice

[warm parcel]

Asymptotic means it approaches, but never reaches, a value. Quadratic means it has a “curve” and usually tends towards a “sweet spot” idk if many/any of the important things in the game are quadratic, most are asymptotic or logarithmic(power of 10 stuff).

[shy flame]

math is scary because I'm pretty sure 2+2=4 but at the highest levels of math they're like, "okay, prove 2 exists"

then you find out about mathematics like ramanujan and are like "okay I'm too stupid for even arithmetic"

[warm parcel]

There’s actually a French dude that did that and if he didn’t our entire math system would have broken down. He’s also the guy the proved 1+1=2, which was supposedly considered impossible before he did it. Mathematicians were just like, “you take that on faith or the system doesn’t work.🤷‍♂️”

[shy flame]

I didn't know but I'm not surprised, theoretical math is insane

science basically works by having a logical contradiction and everyone just going "okay yes logically this isn't sound but everything seems to work anyway trust me bro"

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/paper-hand-999-numbers-angel-number-gif-17090556

Its all about perspective

I would argue this is 999, but if youre on the other side, well....

Also i didnt read any of the convo, just the 2+2=4 part

afk again

[shy flame]

I would argue you are british and phoning the police

the convo isn't particularly important, river is being very patient with me and explaining some math things

[warm parcel]

What I think is dumb is that adding and subtracting infinities works intuitively until you see the proofs for them, then it’s just dumb. If you have a tennis ball launcher and you put in five balls int a minute, and it fires two balls in a minute, then after one minute of this it has 3 balls, which makes sense. But after an infinity of doing this, the fact that you’re inputting more than the output ceases to matter. 5•♾️-3•♾️=0

[shy flame]

That just reminds me of some post I saw on r/mathmemes about how some infinities are smaller than other infinities

https://tenor.com/view/woah-gif-25934210

[crisp pasture]

Thanks for reminding me of a math class that made me quit my mathematics degree....

[warm parcel]

Yes, and the actual smallest infinity is still incomprehensible, but the next size up is the “only infinity whose size is small enough for us to fathom”

[shy flame]

https://tenor.com/view/oakley-sciencedog-oakleyscience-gif-22346803

I tried frogs for bubo, I don't get as much benefit as from worms but ducky is more progressed than me so ymmv

[warm parcel]

I don’t remember the smallest infinity, but the second smallest one is exemplified by asking how many fractions are there between 0 and 1?

[shy flame]

if I had a brain it would hurt

[crisp pasture]

Set theory is a hell of a drug if you ask me. A very bad one.

[shy flame]

How to use math for good (becoming OP at idleon)?

[warm parcel]

Min-max all of the things.

[shy flame]

What I'm hearing is that I was right to major in economics instead of real science or math

[whole slate]

bitch how

[shy flame]

well they're a divine knight and through the power of prayer all things are possible so write that down

[warm parcel]

It’s probably their 9th or 10th char. I stopped caring about then, too.

[whole slate]

ok but atleast give him a dementia pick

[shy flame]

tbh poopy pick would be an upgrade for him

[warm parcel]

Nah, prolly just popping ‘em there for the xps…

The fact they have the basic trap is the the one that gets me… that one is hard to ignore…

[sterile vault]

how do i do this?

[river rampart]

Afk

[shy flame]

afaik nothing really modifies your divinity efficiency/exp

[sterile vault]

ok weird, ty

[torpid umbra]

It took me forever to find it, but look up p-adic numbers

That's a bonkers mathamagician kinda shit

(to infinity)...666666666667 = 1/3 if you consider a 10-adic number system

you also end up with infinitely "large" numbers that satisfy n = n^2 and other fun tricks

[shy flame]

well looking this up hurt me in the place where I should have a brain

wikipedia: In number theory....

Okay yes this will destroy what little mind I have

[torpid umbra]

can I drop a youtube link to veritasium or am I gonna get auto-modded?

[shy flame]

can't promise you wont, but math talk has been going on here for a bit and it's not like there's a ton of people asking for questions to be answered

[torpid umbra]

have fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaq4aYPzCc

[shy flame]

btw if you're reading this chat as someone who has questions to ask but isn't sure we'll answer them, we absolutely will, everyone ditches off topic to talk about game when asked about game

[torpid umbra]

I'm a digital design engineer, but the funky maths scare me

and yeah, I saw the math talk earlier but it took me forever to remember which science youtuber talked about those weird numbers

[mystic jasper]

Did anyone experience the same issue, that the death note count drops? I used to be all Red but now some of them dropped to Purple? Weirdly.

[torpid umbra]

Did you do a vman run?

i think every run it just sets vman kills to 2m

[shy flame]

in vman speedrun the deathnote gets all funky

[mystic jasper]

I did yes

Oh no 🙄

Quite stupid though, I have to use candy again

On other characters

[shy flame]

okay this video is some weirdo Ramanujan stuff

[torpid umbra]

funky math is funky. I was fine in Cal 1, Cal 2, the engineering maths, diff eq

[shy flame]

base 10 is trash, base 12 well

[torpid umbra]

I read the cliffnotes for some of the number theory stuff and the theoretical math

and that was the end of the math journey

[shy flame]

theoretical math and number theory is just like pure insanity

[lilac bolt]

use this bar still on pushing w5?

[shy flame]

idk why the minor strength buff thing is on your hotbar tbh

[crisp pasture]

I didn't read ahead. Wasted my time trying to pass the class.

[torpid umbra]

+150 str is a LOT of scaled damage (or +290 i guess )

[shy flame]

okay fair

[lilac bolt]

so use this for active and when afk just put all skills ye

[torpid umbra]

i think you've probably hit your afk bonus from talents cap

[lilac bolt]

?

[torpid umbra]

you can always try swapping to diff set of talents, but just like with movement speed talents cap toward your afk gains at a certain point

[shy flame]

I'm 5 minutes into the video and so far what I've learned is that I should just sit in a corner eating glue

[torpid umbra]

Not that number, when the game is calculating your afk kills per hour it uses a formula with things like movement speed and some kind of multiplier based on talents on the hotbar

once you reach a certain threshold throwing more talents on the hotbar wont do anything

[shy flame]

When activing, most notably for bubo, you want to minimize the amount of talents actualy on hotbar

[torpid umbra]

This still the bubo meta?

i almost feel like dropping auras to funnel more into cranium reset

[shy flame]

I use the first 4, I don't use canister cause fart ghost leaves clouds

[warm parcel]

If you put 15 of the same shiny pet in the fenceyard, does that get you levels 15x quicker? Asking before I waste todays eggs for nothing.

[shy flame]

I think so yes, I've asked before and got an affirmative

I do have canister maxed cause fart damage is based off it but I don't waste hotbar space on it

[warm parcel]

Does that work? I thought it applied fully to everything…

[dapper prism]

not sure why you wouldnt have cc in the front

[shy flame]

cc is my last skill

aura, revive, fart, cc, idk if best

[dapper prism]

no

[torpid umbra]

It insta procs in slot 4

[shy flame]

the cc always procs when up

[dapper prism]

if it insta procs in slot 4 then u must be missing other stuff

as typically you can often barely even get to the 3rd talent

Eiother way, 0 reason not to have it first.

[shy flame]

well yeah, I'm not end game, I'm working towards it

[dapper prism]

lots of bubo stuff here, badly formated:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[torpid umbra]

tent is 203, so ive got like 90 more to go on it

but yeh

[dapper prism]

Having 200+ tente is the main essential thing

then crystal rate etc. obv helps along with proper maps

[shy flame]

yes I know

[torpid umbra]

Theoretically tho, if you can maintain the entire map with gas anyway

[shy flame]

You can with just fart

[torpid umbra]

you would want less skills so that tent puts more -30s into CC right?

[dapper prism]

maintaining the gas(fart) isnt hard

[torpid umbra]

goblin star talent heals enough so aura can go away

[dapper prism]

Aura is just overall better since it ticks faster

No..

Dont remove aura

[warm parcel]

I’m not sure that’s how tenteye works…

[dapper prism]

Please click link above, check some stuff out

[shy flame]

I'm gonna smoke but next time CC is up I'll count how long it takes to procs

my hotbar is aura, revive, fart, CC

[torpid umbra]

I've already read the post and my current layout already follows those principles

im just musing on if tentacle is 30s per mob for a specific skill cooldown

[rough wasp]

its everything

[torpid umbra]

or if its all skills at once

[rough wasp]

-3 on every skill

[torpid umbra]

mmk, if its all skills at once then yeah it doesnt matter to minimize the skills

[rough wasp]

removing cannisters eats 1 less skill for raise dead->more CC prog

[torpid umbra]

it procs in order tho

[rough wasp]

yes but it still stalls

[lilac bolt]

is it still worth to go active DK pushing if i kill crystal very long time?

[glacial venture]

throwing canisters blocks skills

[dapper prism]

look at my vid in the link itself

It was stuck on pure rezz b2b2b2b2b2b like 10x..

[glacial venture]

the throwing itself i mean

[dapper prism]

if CC isnt first, you're delaying your cycles by several seconds or worse

[warm parcel]

It’s 3, not 30. And it’s all skills on all bars, not just one.

[shy flame]

Trickz, I know you give a lot of really good advice and have tested thoroughly. I have no doubts about your tests or advice. But not everyone has your progression curve

[dapper prism]

There is literally 0 reason to ever NOT have CC in the front though..

thewhole point on cc is to do cc, not "potentially" delay it for no reason.

[glacial venture]

if you have tent 200+ put cc first..its simple

[shy flame]

Unless it procs in 4th slot immediately for some people

[warm parcel]

The fringe case of missing a few kills on your first cc of the day

[dapper prism]

I'd still toss it first without 200tente, as it wouldnt make a difference then and you'll be set up properly

Else you're just telling people to setup stuff wrong and then they have to remember to change stuff etc.

[shy flame]

That's why I'm going to take time to look at it and see the results

[torpid umbra]

Work on things to increase accuracy stat, i assume you've started to miss on crystals? Shaquracy, the vials that give base stats, there's a star talent for it aswell i think

[glacial venture]

or low slash lvl

[shy flame]

Your 100 day progress included buying every bundle and getting farther than I did in a year. I'm testing specifically for people who aren't as progressed

[dapper prism]

Guess that's a "decent" situational point then, but that's just a big user error then. as you'd just use chem warfare manually 1-2 times if you're still not doing proper cc runs

[lilac bolt]

for now i think 100% chance to hit

[warm parcel]

I have it fourth and I think the difference between having it there being best is a bit more crystal spawn.

[torpid umbra]

Crystals require more accuracy than the base mob. Even if afk shows 100% accuracy you may miss on crystals

[shy flame]

ah fuck CC activated during my smoke

[torpid umbra]

If crystals take a long time to kill and you're not missing while you're pushing you may need to just work on damage overall

[dapper prism]

crystal require 2.5x accuracy and have 15x hp and give 30x exp
Stats are based on zone you're on

[lilac bolt]

this ok or replace something for choco chip ?

[warm parcel]

Most of the time it doesn’t matter though, I think. So it’s whether you wanna future proof or be fussy over like, 3 kills an hour.

[shy flame]

But yeah, someone came by earlier asking why they only got 20k oak log sample, your advice may not always be the most appropriate for people in that situation

[warm parcel]

Choccie chip is mandatory for most things.

[shy flame]

I guess when CC comes back up I'll actually check it

it had 12k seconds left I thought that was enough to have a smoke

[torpid umbra]

If you're active farming using DK you dont need monster respawn. you can swap the bottom chip for choco

now if only there was a way to actively train cooking

[shy flame]

Basically I'm just asking you keep an open mind to less progressed players like me who are also adamant in testing things. There's no desire to give bad advice, it's just that the advice you need is more dependant on where you're at

[torpid umbra]

that isn't using 2304283402134729386234 ballons

[shy flame]

although I still have to wait for CC to come back up

[torpid umbra]

2k xp/hr just aint it chief

[true oasis]

Is that accurate ?

[shy flame]

CC takes some long to come back but when I go to smoke my bubo just goes completely ham I guess

[torpid umbra]

I pearled cooking to 50 on all chars, and unless im missing something, its a few k xp/hr afk, and its millions of xp per level

So balloons only thing I can think of as semi-viable

[shy flame]

cooking is a cursed skill

[true oasis]

I meant the amount of balloons you mentioned

[torpid umbra]

i mean. 500, 50000, 2304283402134729386234, what's the difference?

[true oasis]

I am sensing there should be a ± somewhere💀

[shy flame]

it honestly just takes a fuckload of balloons to do cooking

idk what the specific number is for a fuckload but it's a lot

[lilac bolt]

@torpid umbra this ok for pushing w5 DK active?

[shy flame]

@dapper prism so the previous things I heard were that if CC last spot worked in a 4 skill tab design it's due to issues with leveling tenteyecle or other skills. All relevant skills of mine are 200+. There was a 4 second delay in activating CC but I'm not sure if 4 seconds is enough of a delay to warrant CC not being in first slot as a huge mistake and inefficiency

Obviously this also means CC first slot is more efficient, but the gains are extremely marginal

[hidden osprey]

ele sorc family bonus doesnt work for vman tab?

[shy flame]

Additionally I already made clear my interest in retesting advice is seeing how it works for those who have less progression, so, as far as I can tell, everything is pretty fine. If things change when more progressed, well, that isn't really what I'm attempting to test for.

Vman is a very unique and special class

it mostly scales off best vman speedrun and the chess talent maestro has

[whole slate]

crystals will slow u down cuz of high hp and acc req's and also quto fight will sometimes just fully lock on them and ignore other mobs

[shy flame]

They're pushing on DK tho

[glad crow]

noice

[shy flame]

Gz name update

[lilac bolt]

ok so just afk

[shy flame]

Adrian do you have choccy chip?

[whole slate]

for afk u need camarok card atleast 3 star same with boops for a decent amount of gains

[shy flame]

Choccy chip is very synergistic with DK, if you have it keep active. Pushing maps will be slower but you'll begin building up statues for w5 onyx at the same time

[hidden osprey]

is this some bug? my poison clouds are missing all the time

im at 9mil accuracy

[shadow sorrel]

How many chizo scarfs do you need in total (assuming all 10 characters will use whatever you..)?

[hidden osprey]

nvm i had no points invested into chemical warfare xd

[shy flame]

I haven't unlocked divine scarf cause 2 vmen but I'm pretty sure caustic scarf just takes one scarf and wiki says divine just takes 1 caustic scarf

[shadow sorrel]

so a total of 10 from that it seems, cool so I am about halfway

[shy flame]

Yeah, just going off wiki but half of people here would just answer your question with "check wiki" so I saved you like 3 seconds

[shadow sorrel]

I am mostly asking to avoid extra spoilers, although I probably got spoiled about almost everything

[thorn marsh]

you're not dealing enough dmg

try switching to dmg cards and see if it helps

[tiny citrus]

..

[shy flame]

They weren't doing enough damage because they weren't dealing any damage lmao

[thorn marsh]

minor detail

[young nest]

Any clues for dmg for rift 44 es portal?

[clever narwhal]

Is this still worth without second effect? It's almost max boat speed 30/33

[young nest]

Worth? Depends if its better than your other ones

[open mountain]

I finally did it 💪

[tacit tulip]

Dear god lol

[open mountain]

Now all I have to do is wait for the new elite barb class

[clever narwhal]

Problem is, idk what stats I bought the others at, so I wouldn't know if this guy's level progression would be better or worse than a T2 with 2 boat speeds

[ivory arch]

Didnt even know this gave me a stamp lmai

[proud pumice]

it/ie shows it

[ivory arch]

Lmao

[open lava]

got my samples from 690k to 960k 🥳

[clever narwhal]

Of course it does haha, thanks should have thought of that

[shy flame]

idk lame

1mill or bust

[unreal fox]

129m->345m

[shy flame]

@open lava get this

[spring jasper]

if i got 2 DK statues up... does the DR stack?

[spring jasper]

good job

[proud pumice]

2 dk statues is bad

it resets the statue number

[spring jasper]

yeah i mean you can't do anything about it tho? either it's running out before the cooldown or it starts to overlap

running out before the cooldown also kinda isn't a option

[shy flame]

what specifically is meant by statues? like the guy who just does waves of damage or 2 orbs?

[spring jasper]

Orb

[shy flame]

I don't know exact orb mechanics but I'd trust the people saying not to double up on orbs

[spring jasper]

like but that's not a option tho?

it's either one of tho things: you have less orb uptime or you got a overlap

[shy flame]

If your orb is lasting so long you get second orb use a talent reset potion and don't max your orb so much

[spring jasper]

but yeah than it just ends early....

[shy flame]

there is likely an area where you have almost 100% uptime without going over

[static basin]

267 orb with mana box, 300 without

[spring jasper]

okay gotcha

[shy flame]

Writing this down ty XP man

[pastel bramble]

aw hell naw that teaser looks like we'll be playing lava checkers

[spring jasper]

i think it's gonna be slime racing

[shy flame]

I hope it's chess and we can link our chess.com accounts

[pastel bramble]

based on how the icons look its checkers

[shy flame]

no chess.com

[pastel bramble]

in my opinion* 😄

[spring jasper]

checkers would be easier to programm than chess

[shy flame]

lava is jsut having difficultly drawing knights because they're kind of funky looking

[spring jasper]

man

i would need to learn chess

[shy flame]

1.e4 e5

[spring jasper]

use chess Ai to beat it

[prisma drift]

I definitely think it’ll be more like tft or super auto pets

Than regular checkers or chess

That would be too much of a skill gap

Like having real chess that required you to win games would be hilarious be also crazy for an idle game

[pastel bramble]

auto chess probably is a good call too with all the mobs in game he could make u defeat "bosses" using ur minions

[prisma drift]

That’s what I was thinking was an auto chess with rng units

Makes sense with colored backgrounds

[shy flame]

no real chess

[pastel bramble]

its 100% not real chess 😄

[prisma drift]

Like how bloomy has a gold background

[shy flame]

I want to see my elo go up and down

[prisma drift]

You just wanna farm idleon players to get higher Elo

[shy flame]

okay yes but don't call me out like that smh

[glad crow]

at 64/75 for second luckier lad this one feels like it has gone so much faster than the first

[hearty shore]

Whats the fastest way to get storage chest 25? Ive had my DK active for weeks if not a month or two at citringes and biggole mole and every character to the end of w5.

[spring jasper]

run kattlecruk 3000 times?

generally if you're aiming for the drop from the crystals you gotta stay on DK and not be unlucky

i hope ya got cookie

[pastel bramble]

obviously because you're a luckier lad now not a lucky lad silly

[spring jasper]

damn i wish i could get rid of all the lads... storing all of them on my BM feels bad

[pastel bramble]

i store them on my cooks 😄

since my cooks only need 3 invent slots open

[spring jasper]

that

actually sounds smarter than my idea

i just went with BM cause my BM is terrible, does bad damage and is generally useless 😄

[pastel bramble]

yh but atleast he has a respawn talent

bbs just cook only, they suck everything else 😄

[spring jasper]

BB is great for getting rift progress

[pastel bramble]

man i completed rift months ago bbs are just ktichen slaves

[spring jasper]

ah

once i got my BB to have all the 100m kills they will also be both in the kitchen

[warm pond]

finally unlock chemical plant

[fair coral]

Nice, since when are you trying?

[warm pond]

probably about a month

[spring jasper]

nice!

it's been 3 month since i started chemical plant tries

[fair coral]

It's been since june for me 🙂

[spring jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-elmo-space-dance-sad-gif-19474095

[warm pond]

I got stuck right at green bits, then unlocked all the last alchemy bubbles, now im in the 10k green bit range

this should boost me up alot

[shy flame]

I posted in suggestions that autoloot should be a gem shop purchase lava hear my prayers

[native apex]

Prob better to ask here what to take off here for equinox logs

[spring jasper]

yes

this game is literally unplayable without auto loot

[native apex]

Or like is there a list for priority in samples with skilling?

[spring jasper]

toss everything?

like if it's old samples why do you keep them even

[native apex]

Nah im doing reprints i toss'd all of em already and now idk what to include/exlude

[spring jasper]

well

[native apex]

For old samples i like to compare after im done with big reprints

But ill replace that after im done

[spring jasper]

unless you're trying for a specific material you should always print the highest print amount for atom, and just use one slot for dream

you can just delete the previous prints

[native apex]

Makes sense

[spring jasper]

since you likely wanna redo prints every week (like a insane person) for high gains

[native apex]

Yea no im not doing reprints every week

F that im lazy

[spring jasper]

monthly

[native apex]

Yea my last prints was 2 weeks ago lmao

So after this probwbly wont touch printer for a month

[rapid python]

this guy useful?

[shy flame]

hello please support my suggestion that autoloot become a gem shop purchase even if its at an extreme price

[spring jasper]

[spring jasper]

link?

[shy flame]

oh god I have no idea how to link discord comments

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