lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[undone cloud]

Yes, English is my second language. Im sorry. So if i explain like that i will better to understand?

[shy flame]

It gives me context. English is my mother's second language and would be my grandmother's but she decided Spanish was all she needed lol

Apparently you've asked about rainbow obols a few times, is there any chance you can provide an example of what a rainbow obol is?

Oh, and don't apologize for English being a second language. Most English speakers just know English. It's great that you're learning another language.

Like I said, not shaming or judging, just want to make sure I understand you properly so I can give you the best answers I can ♥️

[undone cloud]

Thank you

[shy flame]

If you're a Spanish speaker de nada, if french uh... C'est rien?

[open lava]

i got the left hand of learning buff on vman and oh boy is it a game changer 😓

[shy flame]

the real game changer is the passive cards we unlocked along the way

[open lava]

the levels needed is too much i just need the chopping ones anyway

[shy flame]

look at the later bonuses from skill mastery at like 500+

[open lava]

skill exp and efficiency yeah what bout it

[shy flame]

how do you handle your non wizard samples?

[open lava]

for logs?

[shy flame]

I mean, do you sample logs on your warriors and archers?

Idleon is a game of a lot of different bonuses interacting with one another and a lot of different interactions beyond those bonuses. Logs is the most important for particles but there's more than just particles

[signal osprey]

Logs are only good for particles on mages though

You mentioned warriors and archers but you would get terrible particle gain from logs on those classes

[open lava]

yea..

i dont warriors are always fusy with fishing and mining prints and archers i sample bugs and hunters a scapegoat for mats

[shy flame]

Adeepta, now that you have skill mastery, do you feel like it wasn't as important as I made it out to be when you were rift 3

Also when I told you you were underleveled in general, was that bad advice?

Get the other passive cards, basically

[open lava]

not really

[open lava]

passive cards still pretty good but the levels needed are a bit much 😓

[hidden osprey]

green mushrooms best place to farm plunderous mobs? because of the lab bonus

[shy flame]

How are your vman's skills and how are your time candies?

[open lava]

uhh not much and not much

vman only gets 540 points rn

[shy flame]

Okay, that isn't great, if you use any candies for skilling start with vman

the entire time you've spent getting to skill mastery has also been spent upgrading various bubbles, various bonuses to skill efficiency, etc. It's not too hard if you're set up for it to get lvl 50 on every skill (please don't mention cooking we don't talk about cooking)

[open lava]

well id want to candy equi but thats not possible

[shy flame]

what equinox bubble do you wanna candy?

[open lava]

not a bubble a resource the tree one gives a lot of exp to me rn

[shy flame]

Are you doing your weekly giants?

also just had to manually start CC cause it was 4th on my talent bar and everything else was resetting too quickly 💀

[open lava]

op bubo troubles

[shy flame]

my bubo is mid tbh, but I have worms open to my bubo, which is a pretty great map

Adeepta have you used auto review?

[open lava]

yea

need 100 more levels for passive

[shy flame]

This is a side note, but am I curious: are you going for the like instrumental play style of just getting big gains as fast as possible or is there something else you like about idleon even if not efficient?

[open lava]

big dmg :p

idleon uhh idk why i like it tbh

side note just went from 400k to 700k samples

[shy flame]

Okay, I just realized I've only ever given you like, end gamer style progression oriented advice without considering if that's how you wanted to play and it made me feel ick

[open lava]

well all this helps boost up the grind to big dmg so idrm

i still cant hit the stupid 90%% cap :/

[feral whale]

guys what the best build to farm fish statue? my sb only get 19 per 1 afk hour, vman only 16

[shy flame]

your best catcher + candy tbh

And yeah, I'm glad it helps you. I just realized I wasn't giving advice that prioritized, "hey, what's most important is enjoying the game", which like, there are many diferent ways to enjoy a game, but enjoyment should come first

[granite grove]

when ppl give advice, they are aiming for most optimal results

the playstyle and goals is up to the ppl asking/receiving advice

[shy flame]

The most optimal result should be enjoyment, which often means numerical progression, but not for everyone

[open lava]

this game is trolling me by keeping me at 77% for ages now

[granite grove]

thats the thing, ppl tell whats the best way to get results, not how to enjoy the game, tho getting big numbers is big part of the game progression soo

[shy flame]

I know, I just want to be mindful that there's more than one way to enjoy if that makes sense

[patent hatch]

THE ONLY WAY TO ENJOY IS TO MIN-MAX UNTIL YOU QUIT FROM BURN OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[civic creek]

I am confused about treasure hunt 4. How am I supposed to defeat all mafiosos, but only drop 4 coconuts?

[shy flame]

turn auto loot off and pray for rng

[civic creek]

but I get a coconut every kill

[open lava]

get unlcuky

[sinful aurora]

If you have over 7x drop rarity it's over.

[civic creek]

God, I hate this game

I have a drop rarity of 14

[prisma drift]

Filter take off filter mid way ?

[fierce meadow]

hi can someone help me?

[civic creek]

oh, that sounds promising

[prisma drift]

I don’t know tho I never tried

[fierce meadow]

i cant see the Blobfish on Choccies map

[prisma drift]

Just shooting a guess

[fierce meadow]

and i made the quest

[sinful aurora]

It's an intelligent guess for sure. Let's hope it works. Keep us posted gitterrost4.

[sinful aurora]

Did you cloud save?

[open lava]

got it

@shy flame so what now :p

[north wren]

in the time ive farmed 20k of w5 statues, ive also gotten 12 lucky lads >.>

[shy flame]

the other skilling cards

[civic creek]

I think it worked. I did not get the pop up message from lava. What I did was killing 4 mafiosos with the drop and then disabling it

[fierce meadow]

always, the quest is also completed

[prisma drift]

Hmmm should I do some slab hunting rn

[open lava]

i managed to gold my crystal carrot b4 4 pops lmao

[sinful aurora]

Use the trapping drone then.

[north wren]

these last statues (excluding dvinity as im at 19400) are gonna be rough

http://puu.sh/JYuVv/6b87babf33.jpg

[fierce meadow]

thats the problem

i made the quest, he take my 65k goose, and now what

[sinful aurora]

Ah. Idk what else to say then =/

[open lava]

hey solo do you snapshot

[rough wasp]

yes

[prisma drift]

Wanna hit 1400

Got a lot of easy ones

[north wren]

i dont even know how to snapshot lol

[open lava]

lol

[north wren]

like i know how to snapshot v-man skills so you dont have to rank them up but you can still get effects

i kow how to sapshot some cards

beyond that idk

[open lava]

thatsa thing?

[north wren]

so say your skilling loadout has all the perk talens at 100

so that you get +200 ranks on your base stat skills

[open lava]

when you reset it wont change back?

[north wren]

youcould then switch to your combat loadout if you changed maps while in skilling, and then you still get the boosts even though their not on that talen profile

[prisma drift]

Ducky are you home

[sinful aurora]

Wait, goose? Wasnt the quest about shiny critters? You sure you completed both quests?

[north wren]

you can only do it on the vman itself

well..i mean i guess actually you can do it on other characters

[open lava]

man pop obols are so annoying 😦

[north wren]

cause you rank it up, switch over and put stats into the characters, then switch back and reset

it wont remove the points

[open lava]

heard that f you level it up and then reset the levels will stay or something

[open lava]

yea that

[north wren]

you can do that with star talents as well

allocate the points, then resepec and youll keep all your allocated starpoints

but if you put the points back in you dont get another star point lol

what snapshot were you talking about?

[open lava]

like woodcutting snapshots

cos like wont snapshot be irrelevant when you get skill mastery and make them all passive 🤔

[north wren]

oh i already have them all passive

[rough wasp]

I’m going to sleep

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuWk/98ff80a248.png

tell me about it lol

[open lava]

damn

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuWx/d05a574b43.png

even made this idiot for slab

[open lava]

i dont even have a silver one they're coming in too slow maybe its time to use dk

[north wren]

whats your dr?

[sinful aurora]

ES, not DK

[open lava]

like 4

[north wren]

^ that too

http://puu.sh/JYuWJ/8ea47c5a7a.png

your drop rates a lil low

so is mine, but atleast i have some XD

[fierce meadow]

yes, i have last quest for critter baron

[north wren]

slim, theres two quests you have to do for the blobfish in w4

[open lava]

yeah thats why its kinda hard to get em

[north wren]

getting blobfish is from their second quest, not the hunter

[fierce meadow]

which second quest?

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuWX/dea7df2e8d.png

http://puu.sh/JYuX2/b65493d9c9.png

[civic creek]

@prisma drift It worked! I got the 4th treasure hunt. using the filter was genious

[prisma drift]

Awesome that means I can also still do it

Thanks for doing the test

[north wren]

yea, maybe ill go do it now lol

[fierce meadow]

lol, i dont have that

[shy flame]

it is january 10th

[sinful aurora]

Wrong npc

[north wren]

you really missed half the pictures there bud, i legit showed you where the npc was and then linked its quests, i even said its from the blobfish, not the hunter

[sinful aurora]

The quest for blobfish is from the blobfish on choccie map

[fierce meadow]

damn, thanks, i missed that 😄

[shy flame]

to trap blobs you must first find the blobs

[open lava]

how do i get more sample size my royal is almost 11 now and i still have 77%

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuXC/f7842a9cbb.png

also just saying, you have the quest ACTIVE

[open lava]

salt merit is maxed and so is the printer skill itself

[shy flame]

there's like a bunch of bonuses that affect sample size and I think someone earlier mentioned it caps at 90%

[open lava]

ik the cap but idk how to get there

the sample bubble is horrible the sample vial sucks

[fierce meadow]

damn, you are right, i though all critters are from same npc, thank you

[shy flame]

I would help but I am busy with CC and experiencing the worst day

gotta use CC to get umbrella

[prisma drift]

Well sample vial scales

[open lava]

super slowly mines at 6 rn

nvm its 7

[shy flame]

there's too many sample size bonuses in the game

[prisma drift]

Vial goes hard

[shy flame]

ah, vial mastery?

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuY9/ab627d0700.png loot from 20k of each statue in w5(sailing and axe are already turned in)
oh and these. http://puu.sh/JYuYp/87e1d4dcee.png http://puu.sh/JYuYt/f8ca8fe0ec.png

[prisma drift]

And maxing it

[open lava]

i dont have

[prisma drift]

Well you can get more snowballs

[shy flame]

I don't think you should worry about vial mastery yet

[south vault]

just use the prayer early on to boost samples

[shy flame]

It boosts your vials based on how many vials you have maxed, which even assuming all your vials are somehow rank 12 still requires a billion of that resource to finish off

[open lava]

are there anyting else other than the vial bubble salt lick buff talent and the prayer?

[prisma drift]

Con level I think

[shy flame]

stamps

[open lava]

i can do this but it'll take like 1 day

not worth :p

[prisma drift]

Worth

[shy flame]

do this for pearl, bobjoepickle, balljoepickle, poison frogge, and hampter

[open lava]

theres one that scales super horribly

[open lava]

yeah no 💀

[shy flame]

I think there's two stamps for sample size, but I think I mentioned earlier: idleon has a lot of bonuses to a lot of stuff and a lot of interrelated things, so even bad bonuses aren't entirely bad

[open lava]

i only get 250 logs a day

[north wren]

its worth

[shy flame]

250 total? :x

[open lava]

250 mil

[shy flame]

okay that is a lot better than just 250

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuYP/e8d68bd8bb.png our percentages are alot different.

[open lava]

should i go and finish this

[sweet pine]

[open lava]

cos you have vial mastery

[shy flame]

I would generally recommend that you should always finish pooping

[open lava]

and vial doubler lab bonus

[north wren]

i dont even have that good of a vial mastery....but i guess thats fair i do have lab doubler

i only have 15 max vials

[open lava]

"only"

[north wren]

i need like ...27 for 100% skinny 0 Cal

[sweet pine]

another one

what is going on?

[open lava]

lcuky

how many gems is that

600 isnt it

[sweet pine]

4k from arcade atm

[north wren]

well it would be 4000 if he hit it twice

[shy flame]

rip 100% skinny

[open lava]

oh yeah 4k

fml

i never even got to the red part in arcade

[north wren]

2k per jackpot

ive had it bounce left on the last peg before jackpot twice now

its big sadge

[sweet pine]

haven't gotten any since arcade release and then this

[open lava]

is there a bonus to reduce ball time mines still 2 days for 66

[shy flame]

the best part of arcade is when it bounces back every peg and lands like 3 reward tiers back

[shy flame]

doing my best not to make a joke :x

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuZG/730cff4ddc.png

[open lava]

its the same for you too huh

[open lava]

always happens to me

[north wren]

same

its always good when you get purple portal. and then it ONLY goes left

[shy flame]

it causes me emotional damage to see my arcade balls betray me like that

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYuZY/d8ce2fb3d7.png best path for sure

[sacred verge]

arcade is rigged

[north wren]

i sleep now, gl on your rigged arcades guys

[shy flame]

what are the odds if I ping lava and ask for gems for my birthday he'll be all for it

[sacred verge]

iirc its no very popular to ping him

id say the odds are higher youre getting a ban

[shy flame]

okay but have you considered it is my birthday

[north wren]

or lava goes full smartass

and gives you one single gem

[shy flame]

one gem is the start to my next gem shop purchase

[sweet pine]

there's a birthday card that give 12 silvers i think

or copper?

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JYv0x/93076b0453.png

[shy flame]

that card comes from my senile grandma

that's why I get one from her every 20 minutes

[open lava]

at the rate im going ill have 4 Bil exp from giga frogs b4 a single complete set of pop obols 😄

[last tulip]

would it be a bad idea to go to goat god directly when reaching w5? im so far behind in lab because i wasnt here when w4 released

[open mountain]

I have a few of those

[shy flame]

rip no greenstack and grandma left ignored and unloved

[open mountain]

sounds like a solid plan to me

[open lava]

i thought it is recommended to do that tbh

everyone on goat for a couple weeks with bubos talent should get everything done

[last tulip]

okay good 😛 currently on bear god for nblb and 2x printer samples while doing divinity

[open lava]

finally a obol oh nvm stupid wis

[shy flame]

get your passive skill cards done before you tell others what they should have done

[sinful aurora]

If you're buying all 6 divinity spirits from gem shop right away maybe. If not then gl lol. Thats gonna take you all month for nothing.

[last tulip]

i also resampled with snake god before switching to bear god

[open lava]

:> ill think bout it

[last tulip]

i mean is it really nothing?

[open mountain]

no, don't listen to him. Go for goat

[last tulip]

👍

[cyan mantle]

Do y'all know why the icicle fly hive isn't reseting

[open mountain]

it doesn't matter

the hive % doesn't do anything anyway

[open lava]

does the bonus even have a good affect

[open lava]

lmao

[open mountain]

they don't have any effect

[cyan mantle]

Alr

[shy flame]

[open lava]

when will this obol drop 😦

[open mountain]

which one

[open lava]

pop 😦

[open mountain]

they should be dropping like flies no?

[open lava]

the pain 😦

[open mountain]

oh

[shy flame]

how are you trying to farm pop pops?

[open mountain]

i see

[shy flame]

adeepta pretty noob

[open mountain]

are you at least using ES?

[open lava]

dr set too

[open lava]

yea

[shy flame]

do you have card doublers going?

[open lava]

no

[shy flame]

kk

[open lava]

if i get one more wis obol

gave me both to feel better ig

i tried to upgrade and it broke i really do hate my luck

it was a 10% chance

atleast im getting statues ig

[sacred verge]

go for full bronze pop obol pages before uppgrading em

in case you are going straight for silver

[open lava]

yeah i just tried to upg 1 and lost it

[sacred verge]

first get full bronze before you uppgrade any

[open lava]

i though following lava on twitter gave 50 gems i had to download twitter but didnt get shit

[open lava]

got it

[sacred verge]

damn thats rough, lol

[granite grove]

iirc gems are directly added to the balance and not given as item form

[open lava]

let me check that then

i think i got it not sure :p

i got 2 mil exp b4 1 obol from freaking giga frogs

[sacred verge]

adeepta how many pop obols do you have now ?

[open lava]

i got 3 at 9% on top i have 1 gold and 1 silver dice obols

[sacred verge]

you should have your ES farm giga frogs 24/7 active then 😄

might be easier to get dice first also if you have choco chip

[open lava]

do have choco

does dice drop from crystals r something?

[sacred verge]

w2 crystals

might be worth to do them first

[open lava]

aight 🙂

[sacred verge]

they are usually easier to drop for what i can remember

[slate mauve]

I believe Pepega has fallen asleep on their keyboard. 😂

[sinful aurora]

That or their cat walking on it.

[sweet pine]

damn cat

they had their chance while im cleaning my room

[knotty helm]

How does no more praying effect prayers like giant monsters

[sinful aurora]

Giants wont spawn, it is not included in the package.

[knotty helm]

That sucks. So I gotta disable every other prayer to get giants 😦

[sinful aurora]

It's really not that good anyway. Most curses arent worth mentionning and 20% of the bonus is

[static basin]

no more praying is probably the worst bonus i've ever seen him add, because it's just a debuff in disguise

[knotty helm]

Oh why?

[wide halo]

It's so mid lmao

[static basin]

like he makes bubbles all equipped with sheepie, he makes starsigns all equipped with rift, and makes prayers all equipped with gaming... but you only get 20% of the value

[sinful aurora]

"You don't get the curses". Name one curse that actually impacts you.

[wide halo]

Big brain time :p

[knotty helm]

@sinful aurora almost all of them right?

[static basin]

the curses are so negligible

they do almost nothing

[knotty helm]

All the skill ones?

[jade folio]

Mob health increase for low level characters or W2 colo runs?

[wide halo]

Most have little to no drawback cept like fibers of absence but why would you use fibers of absence anyway

[static basin]

all the ones that say you lose skill exp gain are additive

[sinful aurora]

I disagree. Less skill exp is a blessing, not a curse. You need less exp to not go above mman's level.

[wide halo]

Imagine having Midas 🤢

[knotty helm]

Unending energy

[wide halo]

Which one is that

[sinful aurora]

Again, more exp is unwanted. Dont go above mman.

[static basin]

like skilled dimwit, you gain 177% efficiency which is amazing, and you lose 118% skill exp gain which reduces your 21x exp multi to a 20x multi, no biggie

[knotty helm]

10 hpur max claim

[wide halo]

That one sucks but you'd normally want to active with it anyway i believe

[jade folio]

Realistically, the curses only really affect you if you have a low level account

[sinful aurora]

Yeah active only.

[knotty helm]

@jade folio which I do lol

[teal lynx]

The most important prayer you will lose is Royal Sampler, since you don't easily reach the 90% Sampler threshhold. That prayer alone makes it so you never use "No more praying"

[sinful aurora]

And like maybe for collecting souls, setting traps and candy with mman.

[wide halo]

I can't reach 90 even with ot at 11

[static basin]

no more praying is a noob trap, dont fall in

[wide halo]

Side note i increased my sample by 250k by linking to snake for a short while b4 i sample :p

Another big jump and i might finally reach 1 mil for what it's worth

[knotty helm]

Only prayer I ever use is giants soooo

[teal lynx]

Then you are missing out on good stuff

[knotty helm]

I'm still early late game

[teal lynx]

You always want royal sampler and skilled dimwit active no matter what

[wide halo]

What's the card priority for chopping
Eff>afk gain%>speed?

[wide halo]

What's your stamp game looking like

[teal lynx]

Oh no you are not early late game. Sorry to tell you that. You are probably early mid game 😅

[wide halo]

Do I qualify for mid game :0

[static basin]

if you're any sort of late game there's like at least 5 prayers you want on at most times

[wide halo]

Contracts existence is a curse to all of us trying to reach midgame

[teal lynx]

Idk, probably early mid game, yeah?

[wide halo]

😦

[teal lynx]

You got soo much stuff to do
And yet this is my own definition

Others might say you are higher

[wide halo]

5
Alchemy
Cooking
Stamps
Levels
Play the game (apparently)

[knotty helm]

I assume being in w5 qualifies for "late game" it's like hitting raiding level in any mmo

[static basin]

most people consider hitting w5 as starting mid game

[teal lynx]

Not at all 😅

[wide halo]

It doesn't reaching w5 is super easy

[untold saffron]

Oh no W5 is early game😂

Even 200 GS is late-mid game honestly

[knotty helm]

I have 4 gs lol

[wide halo]

Ig I'm still early early game then lmao

[jade folio]

its an ever moving goal post. at one point you could consider it late game, just not now

[teal lynx]

Don't do me like that. I thought I finally reached early late game

[sinful aurora]

If im correct, those should be:
Royal sampler
Zerg / rucksack if active
Midas if active (add jawbreaker for bubo)
Balance of pain
Skilled dimwit
Giants
Shiny snitch

[wide halo]

If you're early late game then I'm still at w1

[untold saffron]

Pushing through W3/4 was the best time though

[teal lynx]

Balance of Pain , Jawbreaker also good

[wide halo]

Skill mastery casually giving 10 mil dmg increase

[knotty helm]

I haven't even touched the rift yet as I don't have 4 good charecters

I have one good charexter lol

[wide halo]

Wait yeah I had a question for you :>

[static basin]

yeah, and on active char you want jawbreaker and midas, and only giants on the 1 char you want to farm them on

[jade folio]

I thought fibers of absence would be good for BB tho...am i wrong?

[edgy minnow]

you at that mega mob after cards?

[sinful aurora]

Yeah well we were talking about on every char. But yes, def add midas as default if active.

[knotty helm]

No I Just know you need 3 or more characters for it so no point to try. I have one good character. My others are off slaving away for resources

[wide halo]

How's your samples

[knotty helm]

Dog shit lol

[wide halo]

How much tho

Like 100k or so?

[static basin]

what is a normal oak sample for someone who just reached w5?

[static basin]

i've lost all sense of perspective ngl

[untold saffron]

That depends on if they neglected alchemy

[wide halo]

Oh boy

[jade folio]

think i was hitting around 100k when entering W5

[wide halo]

You got royal sampler?

[knotty helm]

@wide halo dog shit

@wide halo nope I'm super low level

[wide halo]

And now hitting 900 million

Your es has 281 level

[edgy minnow]

i just got reminded how far i have progressed the game lol

[teal lynx]

What is your question?

[wide halo]

How does passive chopping cards affect snapshotting like isn't the whole point to get mana and switch to a chopping build? Won't passive chopping cards just skip that

[jade folio]

nah, only around 470Mish

though i need to go resample, its been awhile

[wide halo]

Buddy I'd say to pull back those resource gatherers and to get level up

[static basin]

that first resample after getting some w6 bonuses is gonna feel so good

[knotty helm]

They need gear. Most don't even have weapons equipped

[edgy minnow]

my lvl was around 100 per chara when w3 came out lmao

[teal lynx]

You are using different cards now. You will be using something like this after snapshotting
So you still get benefits from the %mana cards you snapshotted

[wide halo]

Yeah pull em back completely and go do some w5 or w4 ..

[knotty helm]

I don't even have world 5 gear unlocked yet lol

[wide halo]

Hey! i have 3 of these :3 only 5 more to go

Why did it get sent twice lmao

[sweet pine]

why you still using boost food card?

[jade folio]

if you really need levels, just active skill at equinox. its how i made my guys jump up to around lv 50-60

[wide halo]

Push w4 don't neglect your characters
Or else you'll end up like me struggling to hit simple goals

[teal lynx]

"Something like this"
I actually have not checked if I even reach the 62/m with saucy logs alone. So maybe I can get another card in there now

[sweet pine]

kk, i thought i missed something

[jade folio]

is there a guide with the speed caps for skilling somewhere?

[knotty helm]

@wide halo I'm doing void man right now. I'm trying to get everyone gear so I csn recall them

[teal lynx]

62/m for mining/chopping, uncapped for Catching/Fishing

Atleast I think Catching was also uncapped 😅

[knotty helm]

How is skill efficiency calculated?

[wide halo]

Set small goals like gold for everyone first and all

[knotty helm]

I was aiming for void armor on my 4 fighting charecters

[wide halo]

I wonder how you reached 300 level without w5
is this even possible

The most i could get to was 155 b4 w5 how'd you reach 300.

@knotty helm start autoreviewing and increasing samples pull back skilling focus on everything w1-3 cos if you don't you'll have to do it in w5 anyway try to get to w5 asap with your other characters too
With your levels you can easily reach over million samples so should probably not neglec that
(But then again I'm a noob myself so you'd probably be better asking others for more concrete stuff)

Adios 👋

[teal lynx]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1174753262365315203 or http://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com
This is what Adeepta means with "autoreviewing"

[wide halo]

Man something weird has happened

I'm up 100k accuracy somehow

[teal lynx]

You maybe reached the 200% speed threshhold for this talent?

[wide halo]

Could be the reason for my sb but my bubo is still at 160% but went from 70 to 150k today

I can finally reach 200% ms without potions

[teal lynx]

So you upgraded something that gave you a lot of Accuracy through a mechanic you don't know

Seems like normal IdleOn to me

[frigid acorn]

IdleOffandCandies

[wide halo]

Yeah no nblb procs np stamps no obols no cards nothing
First I was up 10 mil dmg I realised that was just skill mastery but i can't fig this out

[sinful aurora]

Youre supposed to always have at least the large speed potion equipped on every char though. What else do you use your food slots for if not that?

[wide halo]

Oh I have those just saying I reached 200 ms without em now

Normally exp and full Ms pots with 1 slot for food

[untold saffron]

Xp potions are trash

Use golden kebab/hamster/cheese/sandwich over them

Not sandwich even, whatever the W5 one is

[wide halo]

Need some exp now they're not that bad plus they're self sufficient

[knotty helm]

Million samples???? How

[dull lance]

What are best damage cards?

[teal lynx]

Late gamers already have samples into the Billions
But to simply answer your Question: Alchemy

[knotty helm]

How alchemy lol

[jade folio]

its always alch

[untold saffron]

Just follow the review bot advice, it's a life saver

[knotty helm]

@untold saffron when I used it I wasn't sure what it was saying as I'm dumb

[untold saffron]

You copied your raw data in ye ye?

[sinful aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849473649832755231/1184818194297389056/JfTlSFnnIc178AAAAASUVORK5CYII.png?ex=658d5aee&is=657ae5ee&hm=656c67ddb684c7cc0e2d5518211a12be54c14426eabfb3c0ec5c910c820230c4&

[jade folio]

There is an alch spreadsheet in the tips n tricks channel that you can use to help set goals for yourself

[teal lynx]

It currently wants you to upgrade "Stronk Tools" to level 8
After that it will show you other stuff. So just follow whatever it tells you in "Pinchy AutoReview"

After that it wants you to set red salts to "0% auto refine"

And after that it would be Stamps: Collect the Stamps "Polearm Stamp" and "Potion Stamp"

[untold saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-iasip-charlie-conspiracy-gif-11562330

[shy flame]

time to tag lava and ask for a free gem for my bday

[teal lynx]

If you don't understand how to read that I can explain it to you

[shy flame]

xayayah making fun of people who can't read, like me \

[teal lynx]

Yeah just Tag Lava like 10 times in a row

[sweet pine]

after all of that you can go to bleach and start playing real idleon

[jade folio]

Each tag gives a 100 gems

[knotty helm]

Where do you see that on the thing. I don't see where it says about bubbles

[shy flame]

I'd do it if I wasn't afraid of getting my account banned and deleted

imagine for your birthday your idleon account you just finally started getting into shape got deleted because you're an annoying dumbass

[teal lynx]

So the Pinchy Review is what you need to follow. The Pinchy review says "Mid W2 rated section: Alchemy-Bubbles (Next: Tier 1). You can find detailed advice below in the section's World." -> So we go to Alchemy in W2 -> Then you look what isn't at Tier 1 yet (It goes from 0 upwards). There is only one below Tier 1 -> "Tier 0- Level the following Orange sample-boosting bubbles to 10% of their maximum possible value: Stronk Tools to 8+"

[jade folio]

why imagine when you can make it a reality

[knotty helm]

I'm a whale so I try not to be to entitled to devs lol

[shy flame]

okay fair I could just destroy my account rn

[knotty helm]

Wtf does maximum value mean

Where does it show bubble max

[teal lynx]

Most bubbles reach a certain value which you can't get past. For Laaaaarry this is 120% for example. So you slowly work towards that value

[shy flame]

maybe i'll tag and ask, not like I'm end game

[teal lynx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HgEWk3_7nT6tVsMeSXEiHcKfOD9_5AWeqRD6_ZkqexU/edit#gid=72800316
You can copy that spreadsheet so you can edit it. You can then put in 100% at the top left to see when Bubbles reach 100% of their Value
(better to throw in 99, since 100% is not really reachable)

[untold saffron]

Toolbox shows the cap on the bubble page

[shy flame]

I started typing the request and got scared

[knotty helm]

Imma gonna sleep for night I'm out of alchemy water anyway lol

[shy flame]

active more bubo smh

[fallen torrent]

wow missed logging in 3 min before reset

forgot to use my 48 atom click 😦

also tought i had soundcloud quest item available formy dk. seems like no so i went bloodborne overnight for 'nothing' (except statue)

ugh.. feels bad

[teal lynx]

Golden Cheese

[hexed crescent]

My snail just fell from 17 to 5??

[shy flame]

I typed a message to ping lava and ask for a single gem but I got scared cause lava busy ._.

[fallen torrent]

rip

[teal lynx]

Did you not upgrade the Atom Upgrade?

[hexed crescent]

Idk, but it reset at 10 many times before, not sure it ever reset at 15, still though

[fallen torrent]

i tried 6 time to ge snail lv 22 xayayah, still nothing. but didnt break yet. no atom upgrade to save me at lv 20 tho xD

[static basin]

there's no way u went from 5 to 17 with a level 1 atom

that's insane lol

[shy flame]

if I ping lava and ask for a single birthday gem I'm basically just deciding that where I'm at is quite possibly just as far as I get

[hexed crescent]

Like I said, it reset many times at 10

[teal lynx]

Maybe it didn't full reset

[static basin]

reset at 10 down to 5?

[teal lynx]

You just didn't upgrade

[static basin]

or what do u mean

[hexed crescent]

No, like 14 to 10, etc

[static basin]

oh to 10 ok i get ya

[hexed crescent]

I'ma check the upgrade

[shy flame]

do I destroy my account???

[hexed crescent]

It doesn't indicate anywhere that it needs to be upgraded?

[shy flame]

tbh it'd be like 30x scary if lava did that wave

[fallen torrent]

reset to lv 5.

[teal lynx]

"up to level 5"

[static basin]

it says up to level 5

each level is another 5

[hexed crescent]

oh right

And this wasn't changed at some point?

[teal lynx]

You save at 5 with atom at 1.
10 at Atom 2
15 at Atom 3

[static basin]

no, its been the same since it was added

[hexed crescent]

Well, I guess the bugged has worked in my favour then.. Until now

[shy flame]

@sacred coral I'm so sorry to bother you, it's my birthday and I don't really have much to look forward to other than buying some Indian food to take to my abuela. So uh, I wanted to ask for a single token gem. If you perma ban me from disc and destroy my account I understand, again, sorry for taking up your time

[teal lynx]

Now you know to upgrade the Atom

[granite grove]

[hexed crescent]

Yah, fuck it, barely doing gaming anymore either way

[teal lynx]

Oh yeah Happy Birthday Brand 🥳 - Didn't realize I can also wish you a Happy birthday till now 😅

[shy flame]

ty although I may lose my account and any discord priviledges :x

[static basin]

there's a 99.9% chance lava doesnt have pings enabled for this discord and will never see that, its okay

[shy flame]

idk I like small gifts so a token gem would be really nice. Large gifts don't really make sense to me.

[shy flame]

thank you for advocating for my account not being sent to the shadow realm

[teal lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-realm-s15e12-nope-stop-it-get-some-help-igm6-gif-26479590

[granite grove]

even if he sees, he prob will not do or it will set a precedent where ppl begs him gem on their annual event

[shy flame]

Yeah, I'm not really expecting anything, I just really don't enjoy my birthday so the thought I may, possibly, get a single gem (that, let's be honest, is easily farmable) is nice

tbh I'm just activing bubo for umbrella

no expectations, no hopes, no judgment

[teal lynx]

I wonder how many people actually ping lava on a daily
There must be atleast 1 person in gen chat

[patent hatch]

are the Mafioso ones meant to take so much longer to get than the other ones

[fallen torrent]

Xayayah Do you know where i can active ES farm my soundcloud follower ?

[shy flame]

tbh I'm hoping my ping was muted and never reaches lava

[fallen torrent]

its okay username, chill with it we got it..

[patent hatch]

got 53m famring cards and rats

[shy flame]

you could just call me Brand instead of UserName lmao

[teal lynx]

No sorry. I only know of Crystal Farming W3,4,5 on DK

[fallen torrent]

@patent hatch the white one? hm... how long was that tho xD

i got 10M of the two other,. but this one like only 2.5m

[patent hatch]

like 35 hours on ES

[open mountain]

that last one is a real pain to get fr

[fallen torrent]

for me its the cloud

i have 2.5mil... when all both other aer 10m

[teal lynx]

Oh wait Cloudsound are the first ones? - You get plenty from Beans 😅

[patent hatch]

thats weird i have the most clouds lol

[open mountain]

bubo + w4/w5 crystals

the clouds just kinda happen while you are farming for other stuff honestly

[teal lynx]

Beans never disappoint

[hexed crescent]

I feel like you get clouds from anywhere

[open lava]

w4 tongue vial is pretty good :

[shy flame]

tongue pretty good in general

[fallen torrent]

wow so i was just not at the right place i guess haha

imma bean with Dk then

[teal lynx]

You were just not farming Crystals

[open lava]

pretty good

[teal lynx]

Crystals have a 1 in 3.33 chance for a cloudsound. So with DK you should easily get the Greenstack

[open mountain]

it gets better

[open lava]

vial mastery truly is broken 😦

1 bil tongues tho..
i would rather do literally anything

[hexed crescent]

I think bubo at tremors is faster

[untold saffron]

meet me at blobfish lad

[open mountain]

just print them lmao

[fallen torrent]

i think imma just bean active em

[shy flame]

I'm still waiting for lava to smite me

[patent hatch]

he doesnt have 1m sample on oak yet i think

wont be able to print anything

[open mountain]

oh

yeah nevermind

[open lava]

if only my vman could reach anything after mid w2

[open mountain]

i printed mine with my BM

[shy flame]

Prude.

[open mountain]

🤷‍♂️

[patent hatch]

mine with the special V

took like 10 days

maybe less

[open lava]

..geez

these two next 😄

[patent hatch]

y are you focussing on vials right now anyway

there are bound to be better uses of ur time

[open lava]

oh im not maxing em im just uhh getting em to 4 for shaman :p

[open mountain]

was just about to say yeah

ah all good

[open lava]

i mean its not much but even a lil help with breeding is good for me rn

[shy flame]

it's okay to do your own thing

[shy flame]

I would check craigslist for help with breeding

[open lava]

huh

[fallen torrent]

another luckier lad done!

[shy flame]

uh craigslist tends to have adult ads for uh.... meeting up and personal stuff, I was making a crude joke

[open lava]

i have to reach level 40-50 in cans somehow 🤔

[open lava]

ik :p

[teal lynx]

I'm close to 5 Luckier Lads. I should have never filtered LL after my first

[fallen torrent]

im at 3 or 4 now?

[untold saffron]

I still have it filtered

[fallen torrent]

im good for now to be honest, but not filtering em for now

[untold saffron]

haven't found a use for multiple yet though except convinience

[eternal wasp]

Are you guys going for 10 LL ?

[shy flame]

adeepta pretending to be innocent to make me awkward smh

[teal lynx]

I'm going for 10 Luckier Lads

[fallen torrent]

one day eventually

[chrome kite]

what is the best way to farm pearler shells?
I'm doing bubo candy farm until he got superchow. But what is most efficient? ES or DK?

[fallen torrent]

ES

crystal drop=DK, Main loot=ES

[teal lynx]

10 Luckier is done in a few weeks - If you farm with DK, which I'm currently not doing

8 Weeks is still a few weeks for me

[open lava]

can i get any more attempts on vials

[shy flame]

no you got the max by tricking me

[chrome kite]

p2w

[teal lynx]

Are you using the "Drop multiple stacks" trick?

[fallen torrent]

thats the max

[open lava]

kinda ig i just take my whole capacity of drops i can and drop em

[fallen torrent]

69 pickle joe 😄 31 day to go

how good is oozie soul vial when it comes to the bits+%

is it multi,add?

[teal lynx]

I want you to do this when standing over the cauldron. Quickly drop a lot of little stacks
It's fine if it's a stack of 1

[fallen torrent]

^

[teal lynx]

You can do this with more than 5 Stacks - I usually did 16 Stacks at once

[shy flame]

trying to raise adeepta to end game is full time job

Probably for Xayayah because Lava about to smite me into oblivion

[open lava]

[fallen torrent]

nice stat there

[open lava]

20k hampters huh

[fallen torrent]

think i should go back farming plunderous kill with SB after cloudsound GS

[eternal wasp]

Bruh is secretly end gamer

[open lava]

nah shes definetly "early late game"

[shy flame]

adeepta wouldn't be end game even if they literally coded the end of the game

[eternal wasp]

Ik whose account is that

[open lava]

400% crit chance what

[teal lynx]

219% from Statue

[fallen torrent]

crit chance is quite easy to get honestly

i gotta GS statues soon enough

[open lava]

what level even is that

[fallen torrent]

im around 5m-6m of the easiest to get, and 1.8-2m of the others

[teal lynx]

260. I still got 8m Statues in my chest

[fallen torrent]

160/200 GS

[open lava]

huh

[teal lynx]

Getting closer and closer

[open mountain]

[open lava]

itll probably take me years to reach that level

[open lava]

ik you built differently

nothing will surprise me more after seeing that barbarian at wurms

[open mountain]

back to lab for him soon

[open lava]

huh

[open mountain]

also why you gotta change your pfp every 2 days, makes it confusing to know which adeepta I'm talking to

[teal lynx]

You are clearly talking to the Cutie Patootie Mickey Adeepta

[open lava]

i found a micki mousey pic that looked straight out of an anime

[open lava]

yea!

[wide halo]

You mean me right

I got the monkey rizz profile tho 😦

[open mountain]

that should be your pfp

[eternal wasp]

What the f
Why is he still barb?

[open lava]

he hates bb

[open mountain]

because BB is the worst dogshit class and I'm not gonna get caught spending gems on an elite change ticket when w6 comes out

[eternal wasp]

True

[open lava]

another cooker tho

[open mountain]

already got more ladles than I know what to do with

my chef is bringing in like 3.6k a day

[eternal wasp]

Already got 2dk ?

[open mountain]

dk is the best ||currently available|| class

[open lava]

but bubo..

[static basin]

when will the masses open their eyes to the 2bb supremacy

[open mountain]

gardevior in genchat already has

and that's already one person too many

[open lava]

oh that guy

[open mountain]

idk I'm probably spelling their name wrong

[static basin]

ever since equinox made tower levels far less important, 2bb has risen above 2dk

[teal lynx]

Gardevoir. You were close enough

[open mountain]

Sounds like a whole lotta copium

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[static basin]

this sweet nectar is gonna give me so many bonuses

[open mountain]

just getting to the last bit in gaming would mean 20k of my ladles outperforms all your 800k 🤷‍♂️

[static basin]

but what if we're both at the last bit?

[open mountain]

then you have about 10 more meal levels than me

[static basin]

thats like me saying, me having 1DK would outperform all of your other 8 non DK's!

[open mountain]

damn, I'm dead 💀

[static basin]

meal levels are more important than a few extra build levels

[open lava]

50 levels for 2% crit chance seems like a bad idea

[open mountain]

sounds like a large amount of copium from a non cog clicker

[static basin]

i mean, you could always say something of substance instead of copium

[open mountain]

I have the second squire elite class as my pfp.
Do you honestly think I'm trying to argue from any sort of empirical standpoint?

also, arguing that BB is better than DK is just a meme argument anyhow so it's not like this is some important debate

🤷‍♂️

[static basin]

no but you started talking about bb vs dk which is an interesting topic because since equinox a second dk has become much less important

wouldve been fun to discuss instead of just saying copium

[open lava]

what is galactic leaf used for again i thought it was for stamps but apparently not

[open mountain]

the second DK is basically still as important due to the fact that you probably don't want to active on a BB.

until lava fixes active construction exp, second dk is still as important

the reason you go 2 DKs is more for getting any good construction exp than it is "twice the construction rate"

[open lava]

any uses for galactic leaf :p

[patent hatch]

g stack

[open mountain]

trying to think of any but can't remember of the top of my head sorry :/

[static basin]

I get that, you want a second DK to active so the other one gets more exp. But what im saying is that the extra exp gets you more con levels, for more speed, for extra building levels, and those building levels arent as important as more meal levels

[open mountain]

gstack obviously, but not sure it has a sink anywhere

[patent hatch]

i have two BB and two DK :)

[dull lance]

Is ti better to have magma or divine armor?

[open mountain]

half and half depending on what your character does

afk killing mobs:

[open lava]

useless 😦

[open mountain]

and other way around if you are active and farming drops

[dull lance]

Ok thx

But for damage is better magma for rift?

[open lava]

why am i watching peter griffin singing last christmas

shit hittin tho 💃

[open mountain]

I can argue your equinox buff line too! look here:

Due to how the equinox bonus reduces the amount of ladles needed to upgrade meals, you especially don't need 2 BBs right now. Even less than you did before, and before equinox, grabbing 2 BBs was dumb even then.

[open lava]

you down to give some chopping sample tips without mentioning hocus choppus :3?

[static basin]

you could say that, but a 20% cost reduction a day for a single meal level out of 57 meals isnt the same as someone getting nearly max TD scores with 1 DK and level 60 towers

[open mountain]

If you wanna be a mega tryhard minmaxxer trying to find the most empirically correct way to progress in idleon, you just arent having any fun. I'm not trying to argue that 2DKs is factually the best thing and if you don't think like this you are obviously dumb, I'm saying I like 2 DKs, people who don't are coping, and if you are annoyed by this statement, go cope even harder for all I care

[open mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[teal lynx]

I still think that 2DK is better, even tho tower levels are less important now. You still get the Benefits of upgrading the other Construction buildings. Atom collider for less atom usage, Trapper drone for more Critters, Library for faster books, Shrines to timegate yourself a little less
I see the arguement of 2BB, but personally I like the 2 DK more

[patent hatch]

two BB also glitched still

[open mountain]

Imagine Francis' shock when he discovers the two entirely different categories of construction upgrades other than towers

[patent hatch]

for the past 1.5 years

[open mountain]

Imagine my shock when I make my 2nd barb into a BB and suddenly have to rechow and resuperchow all mobs

[static basin]

You're allowed to say you like 2 DK's without saying everyone else is coping if they have 2 bb's lol

[open mountain]

cope harder

🤷‍♂️

This is the internet mate, stop taking everything so seriously

how on earth am I the person to teach you this lesson

[static basin]

we're in an idleon discord talking about 2bb vs 2dk in idleon

[open mountain]

exactly

exactly my point

[static basin]

not sure i understand why you're talking about taking stuff seriously, im just talking about the classes lol

[open lava]

in what way could 2 bb be better than 2 dk

[prisma drift]

I finally gstacked red salt

Onto the orange salt

[static basin]

i explained why a little above

in between all the coping messages

[open mountain]

asckshtually, if you think about it, two BBs are better because ladles can give you 0.153245% more progress per minute spent active due to the fact that lava meganerfed all of construction for all eternity, and no I don't care about the equinox buff that makes you not need as many ladles because that isn't acsktuysuhusually a real argument

[static basin]

See this is a reasonable response, because saying 2dk is your personal preference and stating why is useful to a discussion

[teal lynx]

More Ladles compared to your afk dk that does nothing. Another person for good fishing samples
You are giving up Construction for that and personally I'm still for 2DKs

[open lava]

havent seen much but im kinda sure 2X the cooking isnt as good as having two dks mega juicing construction

[static basin]

idk why you're in an idleon discord if u dont wanna talk about idleon

mocking me for talking about bb vs dk is a bit strange

[open mountain]

going to say this for the last time:
Look at my pfp and my name. Do you honestly think I'm the person to have this discussion with?

[static basin]

you dont have to have a discussion at all if you dont want to

im not making you type

[open mountain]

you are misunderstanding then, because I'm having a lot of fun right now

[jade folio]

honestly, i kinda lowkey wished lava not to release an elite swaptoken just to watch people brick their accounts

[open mountain]

you literally started it as well so idk

[static basin]

if lava makes them elites, he'll almost certainly put elite swaps in the limited shop for 1 gem each

[open mountain]

he will 100% put in elite swaps in fomo shop, but for 1 gem? idk

[static basin]

if the entire playerbase is expected to turn their 3 dupes into the 3 new elites, it'll be free

[prisma drift]

Don’t worry plenty of people have 2 vman

So they already bricked their account

[open lava]

i did it i finally managed to unlock all lab nodes

😄

[hexed crescent]

God I hope not

[static basin]

dayum u really have no faith in lava hahaha

[mystic jasper]

Is it me or everyone's shrine levels are just "low"?

[hexed crescent]

Lava is the one who told me (all of us) way back that we shouldn't pick 2 of each

[open lava]

had to sacrifice this but its kinda mid rn for me anyway ;p

[jade folio]

new lab nodes when?

[prisma drift]

Are you saying yours are high?

Because I’d be interested in seeing them

[open mountain]

wonder why
||companions||

[open mountain]

do you mean construction levels or the other levels

[prisma drift]

I think I’ve been lied to

[open mountain]

how come

[prisma drift]

I’m at div level 157 and 1650 big P

[open mountain]

solid

[prisma drift]

Still stuck at flat 16.0 arctis

[open mountain]

isnt it like 155 and 1640 big P?

that's supposed to be the cutoff

[hexed crescent]

This is a decision made long before companions were released though

[prisma drift]

That’s what I was told lol

[jade folio]

thought his max was 15?

[prisma drift]

Still at 16.0 tho

[mystic jasper]

I mean my actual levels of them not the construction, they are all just like 19/ 20

[prisma drift]

No max

[open mountain]

lava can set the price for elite class tickets the day before w6 release, or what do you mean

[open mountain]

sounds very mid 🤷‍♂️

[prisma drift]

I guess I’ll just do div 160

[hexed crescent]

I sent this picture, which prompted the response you replied to, but I actually made the decision to keep them way back in early w4

[mystic jasper]

I was just very confused as their max levels are supposed to be 100/200? 🤣

[open mountain]

ah I must have misunderstood

[mystic jasper]

I thought I did anything wrong so they are not leveling up LoL

[open mountain]

that's construction levels

[prisma drift]

Ohhh you just unlocked the max level thing

[mystic jasper]

Oh 😱

[open mountain]

they technically dont have a max level with regards to afk hours

[prisma drift]

Alvin

[open lava]

my max dmg was this couple weeks ago now its my naked dmg

[open mountain]

how much did this alvin person really editgrind?

[mystic jasper]

Construction level 200 Gez I feel like it will never end hahaha

[open mountain]

keep getting those gains my guy 💪

[open lava]

will do

[open mountain]

you will never be done with construction unfortunately

[mystic jasper]

Trying hard but my best construction speed is still just 45M ish 😭

[open mountain]

that's just a lie sold to you by big kitchen

[open mountain]

more bob

[mystic jasper]

Bob? Like the bubble in the alchemy?

[open mountain]

yes

more bob

[prisma drift]

I’ve let bob rest for awhile with equinox buff

He’s gonna stay

[mystic jasper]

Gez that level hahaha

[open mountain]

what are you pushing rn mafio?

clearly not big P

[prisma drift]

I started late April last year so I’m still playing catch-up

Getting all the good bubbles to 95%

I don’t believe in atoming quickslap either

No use for all that damage besides flexing

[open mountain]

any buffs we get from w6 skills should be enough anyhow yeah

[prisma drift]

Yeah I just got golden food bubble to 75% visual

Tomorrow I’ll have to look through them and pick something

[open mountain]

I'm so ready for golden food drops in w6

what's your stamp at?

[mystic jasper]

Do you guys believe I started playing this game from the very first beginning and my alchemy level is still at 1k ish LoL 😆 I am too casual I guess 😆

[open mountain]

huh????

your alch is not at 1k

[prisma drift]

Stamps only at 100

[open mountain]

screenshot now

[prisma drift]

I really neglected stamps

I let the bonus stay filled up and wasted it so much

[mystic jasper]

I mean bubble levels not the skill level

[open mountain]

full linear scaling on the stamp, + alot of bean farming is nice

[mystic jasper]

LoL

[open mountain]

makes sense

thought you were out here outing yourself lmao

[prisma drift]

Yeah I’ve just got multitool 210 and I’m about to get crystalin 250

[lyric sequoia]

1k can either be very good or very bad depending on the bubble, so that’s not saying much

[open lava]

1k mastery and anvil points bubble

[open mountain]

im pretty sure they mean their total bubble levels is 1k

[prisma drift]

Just a waiting game on getting discounts now

[open lava]

that'd be worse than mine so prob not

[open mountain]

cant wait hard enough for the last superbit, so that stamp atom discount will take 3 days instead of 5

[prisma drift]

Man I could if I wanted to torture myself

I would have to spend a couple weeks rolling nugs and then a month or so grinding bits

[upper slate]

I'm going for a zow/chow run. What boosts are there for kill count?
so far I have Monster Decimator, Killer's Brightside, and Nobisect.
Also, is this a good place to use candies or should I save them for W5/6?

[open mountain]

whats your nug rn?

[prisma drift]

10.5M 23 snail

So just need the nug

[open mountain]

yep

gotta grind hard for the nug then

or wait and hope that lava releases some bit buff in w6

[prisma drift]

The issue is I don’t like to cheat so it could take me forever to actually get a good upgrade

[open mountain]

multikill per tier is about a gazillion times more important than kpk, so go for that

[hexed crescent]

I feel like there is no way Lava isn't making some big buffs to alchemy progression in w6 - so people can catch up

[prisma drift]

I know I’ll rage if I get a tiny upgrade off this 10M I’m at rn

[open lava]

chowing rn eh id chow too if it wasnt shitty additive bonus ill wait till schow to torture myself

[open mountain]

any buffs he makes is also gonna affect endgamers unless he designs it really really clever

[upper slate]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=Multikill+per+tier
are these all of it?

[open mountain]

damage is also a huge part of it that wont show up in idleon insight

[hexed crescent]

Ofc, but lvl 5k bubbles don't mean jack shit if you can reach it in 2 days

[upper slate]

that's why I was thinking of using candies and get rid of the headache

[prisma drift]

also actually doing your deathnote

More skulls is more multi

[open mountain]

I'm pretty sure nothing he releases is gonna be that huge

[prisma drift]

Yeah I think it’s a bit of copium to think he’s gonna make alchemy much different

[hexed crescent]

No, ofc I'm exaggerating to show my point

[open mountain]

not sure I got your point then

[hexed crescent]

The gap between endgamers and started-yesterdayers will be smaller

[prisma drift]

There’s not really a way to do that with alchemy bubbles tho

Anything he gives you he has to give endgamers too

[static basin]

bubble caps

[lyric sequoia]

5k total bubble level is like nothing though

[open mountain]

if he releases an exaggerated bonus that he wont release? or what am I missing here

[prisma drift]

I guess but you think he’d remove levels from people?

[lyric sequoia]

Hell you can get GT to 5k on its own in under a week

[prisma drift]

That would be pretty lame for people who grinded

[open mountain]

aint the first time

[lyric sequoia]

This some giant copium though if you think he’s touching a world 2 mechanic in world 6 launch

[open mountain]

but last time was due to the gold for gold ~~ unintended gameplay feature ~~ exploit

[static basin]

i dont think he'll do anything tbh, but i think he should rework quickslap and the other 2, and put a hardcap on all bubbles at 10k

[open mountain]

10k?`???

[prisma drift]

Yeah but that wasn’t even a nerf that was a hard reset lol

[open mountain]

lmao

[hexed crescent]

I meant 5k in one bubble. What I'm thinking is he will boost NBLB to give maybe 5 levels at a time to more bubbles, increase atom upgrades, etc. to make it easier, so the gap will be smaller

[lyric sequoia]

10k GT is pitifully low

[prisma drift]

Honestly I think no cap but rework on the base dmg bubbles yeah

100k bubble level cap

[open mountain]

no joke francis, but 10k hardcap all bubbles is literal cope

[lyric sequoia]

Most bubbles have an effective cap anyway, this is nothing new

[jade folio]

I just want a cap on alchemy bubbles. dont care what level it is

[prisma drift]

True but rip all the birch candy degens

[lyric sequoia]

For most people 95% cap is a stretch goal

[static basin]

what does that even mean

Are you saying that's too low? too high?

[open mountain]

ceph said it best

[lyric sequoia]

An artbitrary number doesn’t matter for any bubble that isn’t linear, which is most bubbles

[static basin]

10k GT is fine for 500 all chars tbh, and levels mean absolutely nothing aside from that dream at that point

[lyric sequoia]

Alchemy is fine except for a few specific bubbles which just need bring in line with everything else. If you think level cap is the problem and not the effective requirement of hourly clicking at very late game idk what to tell you

[static basin]

and the 5k family

[static basin]

you dont have to hourly click though if you're chopping 2b log an hour, you can just candy a tree for tens of thousands of bubble levels

[lyric sequoia]

Also let’s be real here - the only bubbles that get wild the further you go are only currently a highlighted problem because of hourly clicking

[solemn mango]

gem store. gaming +1 sprout or kitchen

what to buy

[lyric sequoia]

You hit into the point but still missed it. Alchemy is fine, some specific bubbles need nerfing and/or bringing in line

[jade folio]

My two cents is the design of idleon has moved away from an actual idle game to a more active idle game

[lyric sequoia]

Idleon was never an actual idle game

[static basin]

yeah but that would be the point of a cap, to stop being going absolutely crazy on these linear bubbles

[lyric sequoia]

Active afk was a thing when world 2 was the end of the road

[hexed crescent]

It doesn't really feel like design decisions though, it's more like that's just what ended up happening

[open mountain]

thats just stopping the symptoms and not the issue

the issue is how absurdly good hourly clicking is

[lyric sequoia]

A cap that matters literally nothing to scaled bubbles. Crazy that he already has the answer to that problem and is much easier to use to resolve than putting a new system in place

All he has to do is pick a number that sounds absurd based on the numbers we’ve already seen for those bubbles and swap it to scale towards that number just like the others. Problem solved

[static basin]

so you'd make all linear bubbles be diminishing?

[lyric sequoia]

No, just the ones you think are a problem

There’s nothing wrong with bubble 1s and GT linearly scaling

[static basin]

All linear bubbles will end up being a problem with no cap

[open lava]

how big of a boost is right hand to sampling 🤔

[open mountain]

2x basically

[static basin]

bubble 1's are insane right now

[lyric sequoia]

To the 20 people that are already long since done with the game? Sure

[brisk bane]

I think a good idea would be to put a cap to bubble level, lets say 30K

This way endgame people would finish the 30K on easy bubbles and start getting the other ones to 30K.
When a new world releases he raises the cap to 40K
And like that

[static basin]

1k hours of candy will give you like 4k levels in str bubble

[jade folio]

regardless of what he does, wont it just be another preyer sitation? some people, mainly late to end game players are going to feel shafted no matter what he changes?

[open lava]

no shit?

[open mountain]

its why it's so important

[lyric sequoia]

Some perspective on game balance - balancing for the extreme minority of people is how you ruin your game balance

[open lava]

i think ill have to leave my vman in cubed logs for the forseeable future

[open mountain]

francis was just in genchat arguing that lava should scale w6 mob hp to the top 1% of players lmao

so his idea of balancing the game is just off

[lyric sequoia]

Lmao

[open lava]

huh

[static basin]

your definition of 1% is absurd

[lyric sequoia]

I’m not even close to 1% and I already know that scaling w6 to me completely fucks up most people

[brisk bane]

That's why the approach that I mentioned would only affect how real endgame plays, but at the same time it would give some cap and objective to mid-late game people.

Also increasing the cap with each word would make it feel like season with more stuff to do

[open mountain]

you have spent way too much time looking at flexing players to understand what the playerbase really consists of

[open lava]

your definition of balance is pitiful

[gaunt shale]

are you trying to say a majority of players are not at Q damage ?

[lyric sequoia]

I’m still on pinchy 10-20T damage. If the last mob in w6 had 10T health then that’d absolutely kill progression on real accounts that haven’t had years of world waiting grind

[static basin]

I said Lava giving players access to T's and even Q's of damage when the final mob is 1.5b HP is unbalanced, with so much damage available i hope he tunes the hp of mobs up a lot

[pine yacht]

rofl

[open mountain]

crazy I know

[lyric sequoia]

“Giving players access”, as if we haven’t been playing the game for years while the enemy has been unchanging

[open mountain]

crazy how you just out yourself as a person who doesn't understand how to balance a game

[lyric sequoia]

Go make a new account and let me know how long it takes you to reach 1T damage

[open mountain]

lava has given players access to E1000 damage because technically right now QS doesn't stop scaling

hope lava balances the game around E1000 hp

🧠

[brisk bane]

I mean, once you reach end of w5 damage starts going crazy, in 1 month you go from 1B to 100B damage, and thats without taking into account mega crits

That combined with the boosts from W6 i dont think having last map of W6 with 10T damage would be bad

[static basin]

careful, mentioning T damage will get you crucified

[open mountain]

I said it would be a couple of T hp in the last map, and francis got mad

[lyric sequoia]

W6 nightmare boss should have 1e60 hp because some people can meme into the QQ levels of damage right now

[open mountain]

"bruh we have Q damage now, no way lava gonna make the last mob have that little hp??? the entire playerbase would be at the last map like 10h after release"

as if that's not what happened at w5 release

🤦‍♂️ smh my head

[static basin]

what point are you making

[open mountain]

that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

that's the point

[static basin]

no but what is your point

like what are you saying here, that having insane dmg compared to mob hp is fine?

[lyric sequoia]

Nightmare kruk has 1Q hp already, if you think that isn’t an absolute mountain of health to climb for most people I really think you should have a conversation with adeepta and AAAAA and get some perspective

[cerulean hemlock]

If the first W6 mobs have 1Q HP, I'm doomed 😢

[open mountain]

idk, that I'm glad you aren't in any way shape or form responsible for balancing this game?

[static basin]

so you dont have anything to contribute?

all your replies are just, ur wrong, u have no idea, ur bad at balancing

[brisk bane]

Wait a second tho

[cerulean hemlock]

It's a dummy, essentially, with a health bar

[gaunt shale]

The one who has no idea is Lava, its more than clear that he is struggeling to balance the game without changing skills, buffs etc retrospective

and its either going to continue going that route or we will see major adjustments to a lot of things

[cerulean hemlock]

We can all see that Lava's panicking

[open mountain]

because you are wrong, you don't have any idea, and your idea of balancing is not balanced

[hexed crescent]

Not to defend Lava, but imagine all the factors he has made to balance around lol, gonna need an AI for that shit

[brisk bane]

NKruk has 1Q hp, and w4 as 2B, that should give an idea of how much scaling there's probably going to be

[lyric sequoia]

Yes having insane damage is fine for those of us that have it because we’ve put the time into getting there and vastly out scaled pure mob health a long time ago

[static basin]

this is what i mean, when lava added even more damage multi in equinox i was kinda surprised

[gaunt shale]

not blaming him either, its not an easy thing, just how it is

[open mountain]

I don't understand this idea of "we need to balance the game so that people who played for 2 months can be like the players who've played constantly for 3 years"

and at the same time be like " yeah lava gave access to a gorillion gajillion damage so the mobs better have alot of hp in w6"

[static basin]

who said the first thing

[open mountain]

probably not you, but you did say the second thing that's for damn sure

you've said it like three times now

[lyric sequoia]

The amount of people that hit w5 and have barely peaked over 1m damage is insanely huge. What do you think will happen if w6 is scaled to us and not them?

[gaunt shale]

I am not of the opinion thats how it should be, but QS could scale a little less hard for example, the bubble gets mor effective the higher its level is, maybe it shouldnt do that its alresdy a really strong bubble

[open mountain]

I also want a rebalancing of those three damage bubbles for sure

[prisma drift]

God but wouldn’t it be funny if first w6 mob hit for like 1M damage

[open lava]

i can definetly kill a 1Q boss with my 40 mil dmg :3

[lyric sequoia]

W5 mobs health will be lowered the same as w4 was, meanwhile if you follow the scaling pattern that already exists the first w6 mob will likely have at minimum 20m health

[open mountain]

genchat would revolt

[prisma drift]

I would be loving it

Bring back def stat

[tacit tulip]

Was w4 health lowered? Thought it was just portal reqs

[open mountain]

people entering w6 with <1000 defense be like: 💀

[open mountain]

it was both

[lyric sequoia]

With your account, right now, if the first w6 mob had 20m health and it scaled the same rate as w5 how far would you make it before you lose MK?

[open lava]

👀

[gaunt shale]

only person able to progress past 1st map is gendova (sorry i forgot her name, the one with high fmj)

[open mountain]

CaMp?

i know camp is an avid FMJ enjoyer

[sick sentinel]

and gard

[prisma drift]

Gardevoir probably

[lyric sequoia]

I’m pretty sure they were? Floms had 40m health when w4 was the end. That still the case?

[prisma drift]

Just based on the G start

[gaunt shale]

ah it was gard

[open lava]

prob 1 map if even that i dont get mk at suggmass they got like 250M health dont they :3