lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[gray pagoda]

Except it won't be called IdleOn 2 and will have a completely different art, play, and skill style. Probably be called "Idle Grind"

[short sparrow]

Yeah tbh if doot is still the strongest thing in the game in 4 years then something is wrong

[open mountain]

yep, agreed

[tacit tulip]

It might be the strongest thing you can can't earn through gameplay, however

[paper sail]

Forgot to put on chocco chip before going to crystal island

[open mountain]

[vagrant mountain]

if only the crystals from choco chip have candies too

[tacit tulip]

One thing to note that 200/200 doot requires gems, so it's possible for an account to be completely locked out of it unless you spend

[north socket]

what is crystal islands mobs health based off of?

[paper sail]

They still have fat exp though

[gray pagoda]

I just got my first choco yesterday, and holy shit I love this thing

[north socket]

i just hope that now im in w5 crystal island mobs will stop inflating their health and ill be able to farm them with vman

[tacit tulip]

It might be furthest map pushed, in which case it won't stop increasing til you hit wurms

[manic moat]

What would you do first? Harvest > sprinkler > log or Log > Harvest > Sprinkler?

[gray pagoda]

Yeah, what is up with that? What is crystal health from the island based on, cause it seems to be different in different characters.

[paper sail]

Harvest, turn on Kitsune rock, sprinkler, log

[tacit tulip]

Harvest
sprinker
Harvest
sprinkler until it runs out
Harvest
Log
Harvest
Sprinkler

Etc

ah yeah you want kit on, too

[north socket]

yeah almost feels like my bb and vman take as long to clear crystal isles

[manic moat]

why kit? don't you get less bits?

[tacit tulip]

yeah but it unlocks chem quicker if you don't have it

if you do have chem, it levels your plants quicker, which makes chem trains better

[open mountain]

generally you dont wanna use chemplants that arent t5

[tacit tulip]

Chem trains = nugget rolls = big nugg

[manic moat]

I have chem and all but 2 are at t6

ah, so goal is big nug now?

[tacit tulip]

this is relevant to you, then

[north socket]

and the active bonus is better the more you level it

more speed but not less bits, which is long term good

[manic moat]

cool. thank you all

[tacit tulip]

This wasn't a thing when trickz mentioned it but as equinox increaess your Nugg for each failed nugg, this is now particularly potent in making better ones

[manic moat]

yeah, still waiting on a nug drop

[tacit tulip]

I keep getting <5k increases which is infuriating 😄

[manic moat]

hopefully due soon

[tacit tulip]

you're already ahead of me with nuggs anyway so

[north socket]

what alch bubbles are the goats pre equinox/rift late w5

so before you get cranium cooking really going etc

[manic moat]

stable genius for log samples, no?

[north socket]

i dont have atom collider yet either

[tacit tulip]

scolibot prolly the easiest to follow there, the alchemy tiers are largely based around better samples

[manic moat]

oh yeah, that site really helps

[wheat plaza]

How much damage do I need to kill choatic Kattle on BB?

And voidwalker?

[tacit tulip]

NM has 400x the hp and we recommend about 30B damage to fight it

so probably about 75mil+?

more will obviously be better

[tawny jetty]

almost! there

[manic moat]

👀 where?

[tawny jetty]

The golden path of all green eggs?

This is the way

[manic moat]

ha

[wheat plaza]

I totally meant nightmare, so 30b is how much to actively kill it killing all of the moles right?

[tacit tulip]

Yep, your talent levels are essential for this too

Vmans damage is greatly increased via the 3 punch skills, for example

There's a pin on the channel with a video showing the strategy

[wheat plaza]

If I don’t want to do the strategy at all how much lol

[tacit tulip]

200+ is where it starts to be trivial

[wheat plaza]

Perfect thank you

[manic moat]

is quick slap the big bubble to increase Vman dmg?

[tacit tulip]

Yes but. Quick slap is base damage. It still relies on your other % increases for it to produce big results

I personally don't bother with QS

[manic moat]

what would be a good one for dmg then? I'm at level 713 for QS now

[tacit tulip]

Just "general account progression"

[manic moat]

lol ok

[tacit tulip]

Not a useful answer I know

but I personally hate advocating for QS levelling when it's a poor use of atoms

[paper sail]

QS also relies on you having a high Feasty Statue, from DK farming W1

[manic moat]

I can beat NM kruk easily on all my others but vman is so low still

[lyric sequoia]

Define "high" feasty 🤔

[tacit tulip]

For example, when I did NM kattle with vman, I had 50B damage and 400 Quick slap

[manic moat]

where should atmons go

[tacit tulip]

I've never levelled QS since then, and his damage goes to 1T now

[paper sail]

250+ imo, the higher the better. You should also max-book their statue increasing talent.

[north wren]

is quick slap the secret to damage?

[manic moat]

I'm only just at 30b dmg on vman

[tacit tulip]

that's enough to run kattle tbf

[lyric sequoia]

No statues in quick ref smh my head

[manic moat]

oof, I tried but dont have the skill to follow that guide lol

[tacit tulip]

The main reason I'm against QS levelling is you only have so many atom upgrades a day. Points in QS are points not spend in literally anything else, most of which increase your gains otherwise

[hidden loom]

I'm at the end of W5 Do I still use Accuracy stat for armor or shall I swap to dmg? (I Still hit everything)

[fallen torrent]

QS sucks

dont upgrade QS this is a noob trap

[paper sail]

Main stat

[tacit tulip]

Dump accuracy yesterday - go main stat

[fallen torrent]

Hi scoli 😄

Sakori 😄

[hidden loom]

Alright thanks dads

[manic moat]

shops around for a new bubble to invest atoms in

[fallen torrent]

my printer goes brrr is bad.

[paper sail]

Interesting

[fallen torrent]

i cant go uprading my severapurple or multiorange

[tacit tulip]

I'm in my 30's it was like being personally attacked there

[lyric sequoia]

You could say that accuracy becomes largely irrelllevant

[hidden loom]

In my gay world you qualify for being a dad when you are in your 30's

[tacit tulip]

My mum was 19 when she had me so I shouldn't really be surprised

[paper sail]

Bubble2s to 950 are EXCELLENT universal bubbles. Bubble 17s (Multorange, Premigreen with atoms, print Void ore for Severapurple) to 570 after that too

[tacit tulip]

just mindlessly upgrade what it says here 😄

[manic moat]

those might be too expensive for my atoms right now

[wide halo]

Damn you're old 😔

[paper sail]

Bubble2s are the 2nd cheapest in the game

[lilac bolt]

so to get last plant in gaming i just spam every plant research ?

even when it says 0.0

[torpid umbra]

i believe it was as soon as it goes to 0.1

[wide halo]

Pretty much

[manic moat]

what do you mean by Bubble2s?

[north socket]

How much liquid per hour should i have early w5?

[wide halo]

Keep a it dw one day you'll get it I'm still stuck at nerri bush for over a year

[manic moat]

like mage is best?

[paper sail]

Warriors Rule, Archer or Bust, Mage is Best. The 2nd bubble in the Orange, Green, and Purple cauldrons.

[glad crow]

btw what are your gt at now

[manic moat]

looking to upgrade vman though

[paper sail]

They multiply something like 20 other bubbles, so they're hugely beneficial and universally good. They help with damage, samples, utility stuff too 😄

[paper sail]

Still 20.4k. Haven't touched it in over a month

[wide halo]

Guess who just got a new cooking speed based artifact

[tacit tulip]

some of the later bubbles work specifically for vman too

[wide halo]

Finally cooking speed artifact 😄

[glad crow]

keep it that way, then i might be able too catch up sometime next year

[sacred monolith]

If i'm working on Critter cards, is critter quantity the aspect to maximize?

[lilac bolt]

its like 0.05 or something ye?

[tacit tulip]

iirc card rate is just a factor of CDR, DR, and possible trap length?

[wide halo]

Why do i have 116 minimum time for every island?

[tacit tulip]

The number of critters matters not

[paper sail]

SB's family bonus reduces minimum sail time. Some shiny pets in breeding do too

[wide halo]

Damn so like no getting those 30 mins-1 hour..

[sacred monolith]

Really? Trap length is a factor?

[tacit tulip]

yeah, 20 min traps will give less cards per trap (but obviously you can do more of them)

[paper sail]

I thought I heard the other way around 🤔 Sounds like we need science

[rough wasp]

only trione works on vman

[lyric sequoia]

I should probably redo my traps at some point

[paper sail]

My understanding was that the critter cards worked like shiny critters- the same amount regardless of trap length

[lyric sequoia]

Haven't redone them since the change to llet you set them all from BM was done

[wide halo]

Wait nvm I am getting 1 hour on further islands wth

[tacit tulip]

Ah really? Is the rates just that low then? I only get 5-10 cards per 80 20 min traps

[sacred monolith]

And do we know if CDR and DR are snapshotted at the time the trap is set as well?

[wide halo]

Does unlocking clouds not account for minimum travel time?

[lyric sequoia]

The text rounds down

[torpid umbra]

Speaking of critters and traps, I remember seeing that the auto-trap collector thing was awful.
Do I use eagle eye? Set everyone up using the hunter? Do I manually eagle on the hunter or do I have to cycle the chars?

[paper sail]

Science required I've never intentionally focused on critter cards before

[torpid umbra]

And there's some prayer for shinies or something?

[wide halo]

Oh so it's possible to get 30 mins on cloud discoveries ?

[tacit tulip]

Same, it was just a side effect of me doing poison froge vial

[paper sail]

It isn't awful. Plenty of us use it

[brisk breach]

Just went through all 15 chem plants and 500 nuggets all to get a nugget 10k more :DDDDDD

[lyric sequoia]

If your drone is high enough level it's better than eagle eye, but if you're maximizing shinies you want to collect on BM with his talents and the shiny cards and prayer active

[paper sail]

Eagle Eye and the Trapper Drone are the exact same thing. Literally no difference.

[lyric sequoia]

Drone scales highes than eagle eye on the bonus

[torpid umbra]

Doesn't upgrading the trapper drone increase #s?

[paper sail]

The bonuses to drone apply to eagle eye lol. It's the same thing.

[torpid umbra]

Whoops, sorry for the @'ed reply

So manually eagle-eyeing with the BM is going to be "better"

[tacit tulip]

can't blame people for getting that mixed up. This really reads like the trapper drone is based on eagle eye, but gives 200% more

I suppose one thing to note, if my BM is on his fighting skill, with 0 eagle eye, am I screwing my critter gains? 😄

Ah right, critters at placement.

[paper sail]

Critters and EXP are locked in / snapshot when the traps are set

[torpid umbra]

When I'm setting my traps for other players using my BM is that fine, or do i need to set them up using the specific chars on their critter setups?

[wide halo]

Man I love failing for a new bubble 3rd day in a row

[tacit tulip]

Use your BM for everyone unless you're doing exp traps (use vman for that)

[wide halo]

I'm gonna let out my rage in a lol pub

[paper sail]

The only "difference" if you want to be semantic is that BM has a talent which increases shiny odds. If you're on the BM, that talent applies to both Eagle Eye and the Trapper Drone.

Now, if you collect from the Trapper drone on your Vman for whatever reason, you don't get the bonus from BM's shiny chance. HOWEVER it is so very easy to max shiny chance without it that is becomes irrelevant as you progress.

[balmy kiln]

Does anyone have that cool image guide for a void run?

[glad crow]

bubo is the asnwer

[sacred monolith]

This one? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjlxbshjoa5jb1.png

[balmy kiln]

Thanks man really appreciate it

Was losing my mind searching for it

[vagrant mountain]

didn't know this existed, nice

always forget that there's a reddit

[tawny jetty]

what are those numbers above their heads

[sacred monolith]

The number of kills for the portal

[glad crow]

how many u need to kill to unlock portal

[tawny jetty]

ahh

duh

[torpid umbra]

Is that at trap placement, or do I need to log into the BM during the daily drone claim with him on preset?

[paper sail]

Interesting. I've never seen that image before

[glad crow]

what is the final cost for preunlocking w8 bubbles?

[lyric sequoia]

48m or something like that

[sacred monolith]

Not certain if its perfectly optimized or anything, but I found it on the reddit a couple weeks ago.

[tawny jetty]

shit ive just been going from zone one, zone two, zone three zone by zone lol....

[paper sail]

Shiny chance is calculated when collecting traps. You can see your shiny chance preemptively by physically walking to the map the trap is placed on and clicking on it. Shiny chance is the value next to the gold star. If you're at 100% already while not on BM, you don't have to care at all

[glad crow]

welp.... my purple cauldron cost 102m right now....

[torpid umbra]

Okay so if i use the drone i would have to login to BM first on daily reset

[tacit tulip]

I'm not bothering with w8 bubbles for now. Mabe once we have more talent levels

[tawny jetty]

lol mine costs 663m

[torpid umbra]

Or I just don't use auto-claim and eagle eye manually

[glad crow]

tysm

[vagrant mountain]

yeah I'm already at 0.0% after w6 bubbles lol

[lyric sequoia]

Your bot says 40 something million for the w6 bubbles Scoli, why are you Xing me

[valid rivet]

Does omniphau give the full 1h bonus on 2 minute afk claims? Or is it just 2 mins.

[paper sail]

They asked about w8 bubbles

[wheat plaza]

Jeez how in the world do I start getting my voids damage up. At 10b now

[lyric sequoia]

Hey I can read wym

[tawny jetty]

yeah, ima try and save up couldron juice for W6 release

[glad crow]

you dont have too save up.... just spam it now

[tawny jetty]

really?

i can unlock the w6 shit now?

[glad crow]

yeah that is why we now the cost of them

[tacit tulip]

they won't physically be there but once w6 releases you'll already have them

[cerulean hemlock]

You can unlock up to W8

[glad crow]

up till world 8 yes

[cerulean hemlock]

Slowpoke 😛

[glad crow]

[cerulean hemlock]

@tawny jetty The cauldron bubbles will spasm when you unlock a new bubble, jsyk

[paper sail]

There is no limit actually You can just keep unlocking useless bubble slots that'll never get added in the future lol

[wide halo]

Reach 1k samples?

[sacred monolith]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1138827420338757753

[tacit tulip]

Hey if we pretend this is a mario game we're still due star world 😄

[tawny jetty]

Ok, i just saw a few spasms....just burned 1000 unlocks at 1.5% on my yellow

thanks, love you all

[cerulean hemlock]

500 I think

[cerulean hemlock]

😛

[wide halo]

Noob

WB w4?

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/kon-yui-hirasawa-colin-kyoto-animation-guitar-gif-21053152

[glad crow]

just burned around 400 tries and got nothing

[paper sail]

Alright, rapid fire questions getting hard to keep up with lol. I am bowing out, back to writing code

[cerulean hemlock]

😄 I gave you a reccommendation I think

[wide halo]

😛

[glad crow]

i will take it from here, captain 🫡

[cerulean hemlock]

oh yeah, you said Soon(tm)

[cerulean hemlock]

heyyy I call dibs on the one with 1% sailing speed

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-mega-bonk-bonk-dog-bonkers-bonk-anime-gif-24565990

[glad crow]

hey guys, im the new intern here at Scoli Inc. i will answer as many questions as i feel like in the moment...

[wide halo]

😉

[cerulean hemlock]

Are you an underpaid intern?

[north wren]

is there a way to remove...the youtube video from the alchemy bubble window?

[tawny jetty]

He acatually pays Scoli

[wide halo]

How do I get damage without alchemy

[cerulean hemlock]

You're still alive?

[cerulean hemlock]

We wish

[glad crow]

i get paid in exposure

[north wren]

http://puu.sh/JXEqD/d328f52f22.png this is a bit annoying....

[tawny jetty]

you dont

[cerulean hemlock]

May you review my guide? 😉

[glad crow]

doot, next question

[wide halo]

As long as you're in w3 😛

[glad crow]

also true

[glad crow]

i think i already went though it, its the intermediate guide, right?

[cerulean hemlock]

Mhmm

It's 40 pages now

[bold quiver]

[lyric sequoia]

I still think it'd be interesting to see the damage scale difference of an account with their alchemy as it is now, and the exact same account with all the bubbles set to lvll 1 and llocked

[bold quiver]

only dmg bubbles?

[lyric sequoia]

All of them

[tacit tulip]

there's a guy who has been running w5 with lvl1 in all skills

[wide halo]

Show i wanna see what's changed

[tacit tulip]

(except catching as that's buggy)

[cerulean hemlock]

#1183482341474172938 Good luck.

[wide halo]

Bet

[cerulean hemlock]

True

[cerulean hemlock]

If dude does dungeons, he's doomed

[lyric sequoia]

It shoulld be relatively easy to do it, it's just not really a thing we're meant to do

[bold quiver]

i assume this would be much better than having all bubbles lvl 1

[cerulean hemlock]

Or quests that give exp

[bold quiver]

downside of skills lvl 1 is just a bad tool isnt it?

[tacit tulip]

you can't level alchemy bubbles if you don't level your skills

[bold quiver]

rly?

[tacit tulip]

How you getting wood with lvl 1 chopping, brave 😛

[bold quiver]

why does that matter?

[glad crow]

how to get resources without getting resources?

[bold quiver]

lvl isnt a requirement for a node, only need efficiency

[torpid umbra]

One last trapping question. I forget exactly what it was, but I remember something about having no prayers equipped giving you partial bonuses of all prayers.
Do I still manually equip the shiny Snitch when claiming traps? Does it even work with that partial bonuses thing (I think Titans doesn't for example)

[tacit tulip]

yes but if you go chopping you'll...level up

which you can't do

[bold quiver]

oh i see, u need to wait for W3 before starting to get resources, thats fun

[final relic]

What’s the best way to kill sacreligious krunk on vman? I just can’t keep up with all the moles

[bold quiver]

then 3d print, lvl up alchemy and repeat

[tacit tulip]

you also can't unlock new bubbles because that'll level your alchemy

[lyric sequoia]

Can you even unlock the printer without any skillingg resource?

[bold quiver]

oh i thought it was only for skilling stuff, thts very dumb then

[tacit tulip]

nope cause you need to produce salt, which needs copper

so you can't unlock the printer, either

[torpid umbra]

Colloseums for a few resources?

[sacred monolith]

There's a strat in the pins. If its just taking too long, not much you can do until you up your damage.

[bold quiver]

W1 yes, W2 u cant do cuz u will level up skilling

[cerulean hemlock]

Yes! Arcade resource coupons

[tacit tulip]

maybe but you can't craft bags as that'd level up your smithing

[cerulean hemlock]

You lie!

[bold quiver]

u cant even craft anything

lvl 1 ALL skilsl seems rly dumb

[tacit tulip]

Yeah it's a challenge account haha

[lyric sequoia]

That wasn't the sort of account I was on about either way

[cerulean hemlock]

@tacit tulip Aracade resource coupons

[tacit tulip]

the only skill he had at 2 was catching because some maps grant catching exp on entry, you can't avoid it

[bold quiver]

haha thats beyond a challenge, u are not even playing the game

[lyric sequoia]

That's way more hardcore

I mean like, literallyl your account right now compared to the exact account but alll bubblles are lvl 1 and llocked

[bold quiver]

cuz u cant craft sets, so u have to start the game and never use a new gear

[bold quiver]

yeah this would be cool to see

From my experience it wouldnt be a problem up to world 5

[tacit tulip]

I mean, he made it to w5 and started unlocking artifacts 😄

[lyric sequoia]

LLike I said, it's possible to do that with your account, technicallly against discord rules to detail how though

[cerulean hemlock]

There's gear from the colosseum

[cerulean hemlock]

Who is this man?

[bold quiver]

bubbles have becomes slightly overrrated with the new content from w4-w5, etc

[lyric sequoia]

um

[bold quiver]

they are insanely strong ofc, but u can get by without them

[lyric sequoia]

I'm not on about doing anything with an account like that

[tacit tulip]

@fickle path is our crazy guy

[cerulean hemlock]

I disagree, I think they've been underrated
All people care about is GT, Quick Slap, and Larry at 100%

That's my take

[lyric sequoia]

Just pure comparison of how much bubbles specifically provide

[bold quiver]

yeah would be nice to see the dif

[cerulean hemlock]

@fickle path You get a badge! 😄

[glad crow]

larry at 110% and 115% actually

[lyric sequoia]

Across the board in all the various things you do

[tacit tulip]

For the easiest answer to that you can just ask whoever makes IT

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/badge-pokemon-ash-sparkle-shiny-gif-7226045

[bold quiver]

i do know that up to W5 they are overrated, u dont rly need bubbles to get to it, just push portals offline since u hardly need dmg

[tacit tulip]

as they see the multis

[cerulean hemlock]

😛 First step is 100%

[cerulean hemlock]

Oh srsly?

[tacit tulip]

a lot of IT/Ie is just recalculating your stats based on your save file. So in theory they could calculate the same file, but bubbles at 1

[bold quiver]

i see u getting stuck mid/late W5, once u start needing extra dmg, as for rift and push later portals

[cerulean hemlock]

Up to W5? So that doesn't include w5, correct? 😅

[fierce oracle]

just get ram

[lyric sequoia]

Like i said, not technicallly hard to do because of how accounts work, I coulld overwrite a brand new account with that version of my current. I'm just not gonna do it

[fierce oracle]

and you'll be fine

[cerulean hemlock]

I honestly think Turkey is overrated

[bold quiver]

yeah W5 i can see u getting stuck further down the line, but u would still be able to kill boss

[cerulean hemlock]

For the %damage

[lyric sequoia]

That's not the sort of thing I'm talking about...

[bold quiver]

since i only need around 5M dmg to kil the boss

[cerulean hemlock]

But not the cooking speed

[cerulean hemlock]

That's if you focus 😛

[lyric sequoia]

The raw difference in damage numbers, the raw difference in sampling, that sort of thing

[bold quiver]

i know

but how do u even set that metric?

difference when?

[lyric sequoia]

Unlocking portals is a nothing comparison when talking about the relative power and importance of bubbles

??

[bold quiver]

u want to compare power, but power when?

[lyric sequoia]

Are you reading what I am actually saying?

[cerulean hemlock]

What do you mean by power when??

[bold quiver]

what is the difference between an acc that has invested in bubbles vs one that has bubbles at lvl 1

at what point in the game

[lyric sequoia]

Literally your account, right now. With and without bubbles

[bold quiver]

cuz bubble pushing is infinite

so are u going for a time metric?

all artifacts collected?

most meals to lvl 60?

[tacit tulip]

I understand what you mean ceph 😄

[cerulean hemlock]

Same 😛

[tacit tulip]

I just thought the 1 skill thing was funny 😛

[lyric sequoia]

I really don't know a different way of explaining this

[cerulean hemlock]

@lyric sequoia Shall I call you Ceph? 🤣

[lyric sequoia]

I don't give a shit about time, or the extent through the ggame you are

[bold quiver]

i see, u dont want a fair comparison

[cerulean hemlock]

Basically, bubbles make a substantial difference.
Am I correct?

[lyric sequoia]

I'm not llooking for some all powerful aggregate "wow here's how good alchemy is", I don't care about anyone elses account

[bold quiver]

since there is no metric of a specific parameter tocompare both accounts

[lyric sequoia]

Neither would anyone ellse in what I am talking about

??????

The metric is you

Literally you

[tacit tulip]

"I have X damage. Without alchemy, how much damage do I have? Y"

"Alchemy is giving me X-Y damage"

[bold quiver]

So all artifacts done, most meals completed, equinox dmg maxed and stuff

[lyric sequoia]

I don't give a shit about where you are in the game

You're thinking way too hard about it

[glad ibex]

Just to be sure, we can unlink gods twice a week right?

[bold quiver]

thats how u compare isnt it

[lyric sequoia]

No?

[bold quiver]

cuz if u compare pre w4 u dont have extra dmg sources in the game

if u compare pos W4 u start having extra damaging sources, so results will be different

[lyric sequoia]

Yes, welcome to the point?

[bold quiver]

bubbles will have a dif impact depending on what u are adding into the formula

thats why i said if u had a metric as to when u want to compare to check X or Y effect in dmg

[lyric sequoia]

Again, I'm not interested in setting up some fair base-line of other people

Couldn't give less shits about it

[bold quiver]

meh

not a true tester

[lyric sequoia]

"how much relative power is alchemy giving me"

[bold quiver]

🐟

[lyric sequoia]

Guess what you can do with enough instances of that? Aggregate

[bold quiver]

thats why i said at the beginning

[cerulean hemlock]

What has chat become?

[bold quiver]

if u compare up to W5 it hardly matters

if u compare end W5 it will have a big dif

dif results

[lyric sequoia]

That's what you think will be the resullt, sure

[bold quiver]

[teal lynx]

Soon 80m+ nug

[bold quiver]

less stuff being added into the equation for dmg

[lyric sequoia]

It's not some huge revellation that the further you are the more relative power alchemy is giving you llmao

[bold quiver]

indeed

[lyric sequoia]

You can go collect that aggregate and try and draw correlation with a badly matched subset of data if you want, I don't care about that

You made an idle thought some gigantic thing that it wasn't

[bold quiver]

where are the code people, just need to look into the formula

[olive sphinx]

92.7k trust

[lyric sequoia]

Yeah it's definitely that simple

[bold quiver]

i think most of them are gone D:

[cerulean hemlock]

Want to sift through Lava's spaghetti code? 😛

[bold quiver]

oh im not a coder, need to leave that stuff for them

[teal lynx]

Thankfully I can't get anything below 53m

[proud pumice]

does anyone know why autoreview bot doesn't mention w5 bubbles in sample boosting bubbles? Are they irrelevant?

For example, purple sample-boosting bubbles doesn't mention slabe logsoul neither slabe wisdom, slabe wisdom i kinda understand, but i'm just confused as to why it doesn't mention slabe logsoul

[tacit tulip]

The power items are my fault

they're basically trivial vs the statues

so levelling them up helps, but it's minimal

[proud pumice]

oh ok

ty

[fierce oracle]

they're not, as they have higher skilling speed

and its base speed

[bright vine]

I think it’s because the boost you get from it is tiny in comparison to other bubbles

[fierce oracle]

or I'm talking about a different thing

I'm not sure

[tacit tulip]

please show me where this bubble adds skilling speed please

[fierce oracle]

yeah, I'm talking about a different thing mb

[snow light]

you can already 1B click damn i really am far behind

[tacit tulip]

that's almost entirely from NBLB

[proud pumice]

i'm hoping at least the worship power will be good then since w3 statues are pain, it took me a lot of effort to get this to this lvl

[fierce oracle]

didnt read irineu's message and assume it was about the level 1 skilling thingy and quite literally skilling tools which are items that give skilling power

[tacit tulip]

my souls are currently being saved for the vial 🙂

[teal lynx]

Hey thubie 👋
I know you are clicking a lot of Colo Tickets. Are you printing all the mats for that or are you also active farming with ES to keep up with the costs?

[fierce oracle]

I was doing clammies on DK, but just got their sample on my last resampling round

[cerulean hemlock]

Thubie likes to suffer

[teal lynx]

I only got those 4 for now

[proud pumice]

oh nvm the materials required are from late w4

[teal lynx]

Completely forgot to sample those damn caps

[proud pumice]

i was about to say i have 2 of those and i suck

[fierce oracle]

you are a f2p player that lost his account and started over but I'm the one who likes to suffer?

[cerulean hemlock]

Yes

You see, I have rammy plush

[fierce oracle]

on my first resample round for PO6 I forgot purple mushroom, so its not like I can say anything

[cerulean hemlock]

You don't

[tacit tulip]

yeah but I have maplestory mushroom

[cerulean hemlock]

And if you do have the rammy plushy..

I'm yoinking it

[paper sail]

When I had them listed previously, most players would dwindle down until they were the last item in that Tier, then spend Atoms on it. I didn't want that to happen because, as others said, the scaling on them is really bad and not worth Atoms.

[fierce oracle]

I don't

[cerulean hemlock]

I surrender! 🏴

[north wren]

Why are tremor worms absolute units (damage wise)

[teal lynx]

Alright. I got an hour to decide if I wanna resample for those damn Caps without Snake

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-amateur-hour-gif-20673985

[fierce oracle]

Imagine not having doot

[tacit tulip]

w5 mobs jump in damage every 2-3 mobs. Wurms is the last jump and is just...bigger than the rest

[teal lynx]

Oh actually I will do it. My last samples were with Midas and Rucksack on

[north wren]

like the only example i have is that it legit is 5x more defence required to take zero damage

[cerulean hemlock]

@fierce oracle True endgamers play Idleon with the world music looping in their ears over and over again

[north wren]

i walked in from crawlers at 100% zero food just boosts into 4% survival lol

[teal lynx]

Gotta click that PO6. It will save me 4 days over farming 2 extra GS Statues

[fierce oracle]

thank god I'm not a true endgamer

[cerulean hemlock]

🙏 Only Alvin is the true endgamer

[bright vine]

How can you not

[cerulean hemlock]

I stopped listening to it after a year of gamin'

[fierce oracle]

what will you gstack? And wouldn't it take more than 4 days?

unless you hate yourself a lot

[cerulean hemlock]

No one else has survived longer than me, for some reason

[paper sail]

oop

[cerulean hemlock]

Time to change that!

[fierce oracle]

anyone that did not mute the game on tutorial needs help

[bright vine]

I can still hear the tutorial music

[cerulean hemlock]

I muted it when Lava said W5 will never have music

[proud pumice]

even lava gave up before you

[cerulean hemlock]

Indeed

[bright vine]

Does lava play with music on?

[kindred dagger]

With 1:86 crystal spawn, cookie, DK at beans, how many statues per hour would you expect. I'm getting around 400. Just wondering if that's low.

[cerulean hemlock]

For some reason I can play the W1 town soundtrack on the piano, ear theory

[bright vine]

Not low to be honest at 1/86

[cerulean hemlock]

It's just a bunch of percussion, tbf

[fallow aurora]

DK at sandy pots or ES at sandy pots for glass shards?

[cerulean hemlock]

ES 😄

[bright vine]

DK if you also want to 20k statues

Otherwise es

[proud pumice]

lava is the one who makes the music, but he gave up on making it before he gave up on hearing it

[cerulean hemlock]

Anyways... time for the real question:
How mean/evil am I? Rate me 1 to 10

[cerulean hemlock]

Who's she?

[proud pumice]

are you not a she? sorry lol

[cerulean hemlock]

😅

I'm male 😛

[rough wasp]

he femboy

[teal lynx]

I did not save my list... but it was something like Mining, Lumber, Speed, Time thingies on Beans. 8.5 Days for all of them and another 6 days for beholder -> Instead I do colo for Starfire Gstack and Minuteglass

[cerulean hemlock]

I've mentioned my gf 10x already

[proud pumice]

i swear i heard you were a woman for some reason

[cerulean hemlock]

@rough wasp I'm chucking you in a hotpot tomorrow

[fierce oracle]

minuteglass takes a while

[sacred monolith]

Some girls have girlfriends

[teal lynx]

1400 tickets

[paper sail]

Having a girlfriend doesn't exclude you from also using she pronouns

[fierce oracle]

it took me like 12 days or so doing 150 colo 2 every day

[cerulean hemlock]

Too bad ;3
I'm not trans XD

[proud pumice]

yeah i'm sorry

[cerulean hemlock]

Well, I mean, I did say I was male on several ocassions

[cerulean hemlock]

Pfft, you're fine!
Just give me your soul

[paper sail]

Set pronouns in Discord Easy

[cerulean hemlock]

😛 I'd prefer people to not call me femboy 100x XD

[proud pumice]

i just farmed it 😢

[cerulean hemlock]

I want the oozie soul

they're happy

I need the joy

[proud pumice]

well you just got robbed lol

[cerulean hemlock]

Also~vial

[paper sail]

Spent some today. Still got this 2nd stack though

[cerulean hemlock]

I demand 10B

[proud pumice]

why

my max wave at w5 td is like 70 lol

no way

[cerulean hemlock]

👀

wait, seriously?

Well....

#1183482341474172938 Complete equinox cloud 21 (If I recall correctly) with this handy-dandy guide! 😄

[proud pumice]

i always die to purple boss

[cerulean hemlock]

Oh that's easy

[proud pumice]

because my void don't hit

[cerulean hemlock]

Sell tower, then plop down void

That way you won't get insta'ed

[cerulean hemlock]

Also, time BM 😅

[proud pumice]

and my party starter has range

[cerulean hemlock]

What level is it?

[lyric sequoia]

Just don't spam through 10 waves until your poisons stop 1 shotting mobs

[proud pumice]

55

[undone wagon]

w5 players

[cerulean hemlock]

Oh my, that's 13 levels weaker than my old account's party starter

[proud pumice]

i problably should

[undone wagon]

how many slots can the storage have?

[lyric sequoia]

Like, worst case just go 1 wave at a time

[proud pumice]

i'm noob

[undone wagon]

in maximum?

[fierce oracle]

471

[cerulean hemlock]

*As of W5

[cerulean hemlock]

**With autoloot

[undone wagon]

k

[lyric sequoia]

That many

[fierce oracle]

yea and starter pack also

so 450 or 451 without autoloot and starter pack

[undone wagon]

ik the sources but dont know how many

[cerulean hemlock]

I wonder if Lava will add a new page for storage slot or just stretch it out

[tawny jacinth]

I hit elder fury and got my boats spread on everything while deciding what to get next, have tusk already should I focus on arrowhead/genie lamp then just work my way through or is there anything else of more value than the rest?

[cerulean hemlock]

I want the chest to stretch out onto the entire screen 🤣

[undone wagon]

do u guys hoave trouble with low storage?

or its enough?

[cerulean hemlock]

It's good

[cerulean hemlock]

We manage storage, ofc ❤️

[fierce oracle]

yea and how will you see your inv then

[cerulean hemlock]

We carve out a space in the side

[fierce oracle]

just make the game use 2 monitors

[tawny jacinth]

That tells me nothing lol, I assume going for arrowhead/genie is what you mean

[cerulean hemlock]

Or, we make the entire inventory 10 pixels

[fierce oracle]

one for storage one for inv

[undone wagon]

should I keep armor/tool/weapon upgrade stones?

that I dont need?

[cerulean hemlock]

there's only Crystal steak that's high value, for your stage of the game, I'm assuming

[proud pumice]

i currently have nothing on my last page and my storage is not that clean, but i don't have the world trophies and i keep some equipament in the players inventory

[fierce oracle]

if you're struggling with storage space I'd say trash w4 and below stones

[cerulean hemlock]

*I'd say trash random keychains

[undone wagon]

im... not in w5 yet

[tawny jacinth]

Why are you here?

[proud pumice]

just keep last world upgrade stones

[undone wagon]

I came here cuz u are lategame-players

[cerulean hemlock]

do you have random t1 keychains?

[undone wagon]

so u know what will be needed

[cerulean hemlock]

🤣 #1183482341474172938 Take this guide

[proud pumice]

and don't bother with keeping garbage armor

[undone wagon]

some good

[fierce oracle]

if you're w4 just trash w3 and below then

w3 and below are horrible anyways

they dont even give you main stat, its random

[cerulean hemlock]

T1 and t2 are bad! (Unless t2 has %drop rate on both effects)

Only keep tier three keychains

Tier ones, you drop them on the ground and forget about it

[tawny jacinth]

Accurate, knew crystal was good so was gonna leave my 1 boat there, guess I'll go with arrow/genie split since thatll give me resources for pushing more speeds up

[cerulean hemlock]

😄 I haven't lost my cunning

[undone wagon]

I know they arent sellable

[tawny jacinth]

More so just the obvious place to be when getting elder unlocked lol

[cerulean hemlock]

Drop them on the ground and leave them on the map

[lyric sequoia]

You can only get DR chains from T2

[cerulean hemlock]

Yep

[lyric sequoia]

So you roll T2 chains for DR, otherwise only T3

[cerulean hemlock]

Well tbf %luk and %all stat gives DR

[cerulean hemlock]

When t4 keychains drop I'll be ecstatic

Awwww ty for calling me a nerd

@undone wagon Any other questions?

[lyric sequoia]

Or just stop being poor and buy your way to the best DR chains

[cerulean hemlock]

Ayyyy best strategy

Also, a random note: Does %def from armor cards affect keychains?

[tawny jacinth]

Would assume so

[cerulean hemlock]

🤷 Lava code is wacky

[lyric sequoia]

Gear defence is base defence in the same way that stats are base stats

[tawny jacinth]

I always just figured it multiplied the "base" armor after adding it all up

[proud pumice]

when w5 prayers come out, there should be one that decreases crit chance to increase crit damage

[cobalt nymph]

finally the tiger is hereeeeee

[cerulean hemlock]

Ah, ok then

[lyric sequoia]

Just have both innit

[proud pumice]

you went all the way to tiger in one go? lol you're either super lucky or insane

[cerulean hemlock]

Quick, grab your second ES an double link to it

[lyric sequoia]

I haven't even bothered to farm the other 80k kapow statues yet

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[cobalt nymph]

what xd? no this took 2 weeks..

[cerulean hemlock]

TWO WEEKS ONLY?

[proud pumice]

yeah super lucky

[cobalt nymph]

2 weeks of 10 chars in divinity

[proud pumice]

getting to goat usually takes a month

[cerulean hemlock]

IT TOOK ME 8 MONTHS FOR OMNIPHAUNT, I FAILED FIFTEEN 50%'ers

[cerulean hemlock]

I did it with 9

[fierce oracle]

that seems like a skill issue

[lyric sequoia]

You're severelly underestimating how lucky rolling lion in that time is

[cerulean hemlock]

It is

[cobalt nymph]

feelsbad

[cerulean hemlock]

*severely

[lyric sequoia]

8 of my characters were lvl 80 div before I got to badger

[cobalt nymph]

damn bro what

[lyric sequoia]

I don't care about my double Ls, my keyboard is busted

[cobalt nymph]

most of my chars are like around 20 div

[cerulean hemlock]

You're joking! My chars were level 90 div before I got bagur

[lyric sequoia]

You either get 0 or you get 40, there is no in between

[proud pumice]

same but that's because they're all in TranQi lol

[cobalt nymph]

maybe I am lucky then

[cerulean hemlock]

There is no maybe

[lyric sequoia]

No, all my my chars were actively sat on div in the highest stance they could use up till 80 before badger rolled

[cerulean hemlock]

You're luckier than Alvin! And that's saying something

[snow light]

Honestly same i pray my 1% roll will get them but i try to roll for 100% chance then just save up

[cerulean hemlock]

One thing I learned from my horrendous luck is to always do 100%'ers

[lyric sequoia]

Meanwhile my bubo was lvl 10 div for a very long time

[proud pumice]

you have 10 daily alchemy atom clicks before being able to do atom clicks problably

[cerulean hemlock]

I've never gotten a sucess on anything other than 100%'ers

[lyric sequoia]

I was doing 100% chances, that doesn't change anything

[cobalt nymph]

I hit mureep on 25%

[undone wagon]

in ur guide, isnt trapping minigame count as minigame?

nvm

[cobalt nymph]

but I did fail around 10 1%s and a few 5%s and 2 25%s

[lyric sequoia]

Still got to get the points to click the 100% chances, which is real hard when sailling also produced diddly squat

[kindred dagger]

Have you ever farmed crystals with only 9 levels in crystals for days? Anyways, I'm down to 1:50 now.

[cerulean hemlock]

I said I didn't count it as a minigame, since it doesn't take up a daily minigame play XD

[undone wagon]

sorry for not reading it all

[cerulean hemlock]

Dw dw

[cerulean hemlock]

it took you 6 months for regular fury too?

[fallow aurora]

max orb level on DK before it becomes a nerf?

[cerulean hemlock]

Anyways, Imma go take a walk

[cobalt nymph]

I have never even seen a 100% option xd

[cerulean hemlock]

cya !

[lyric sequoia]

6? You wish it was that quick

[cobalt nymph]

I know it exists.. but never gotten them myself

[teal lynx]

267 with mana po box maxed

[fallow aurora]

ty

[proud pumice]

300 if you don't have po box cdr, if you have po box its something below 275

[lyric sequoia]

If you're over 300 you can just max it tho

[teal lynx]

Without po box you want anything above 300

[tacit tulip]

that's a surprise - how come?

I'd have thought the double reset was a problem no matter how high you go

[tacit lion]

is 46 alright crystal spawn chance?

[proud pumice]

wouldn't it be resetting above 300? why?

[lyric sequoia]

Over 300 the overlap is enough that the 2nd gets high enough to not be a significant loss

[proud pumice]

ok ty

just upgraded from 300 to 304, huge!

[lyric sequoia]

The overlap I just had reset a 20 orb for example on beans, no significant loss in use

That's with 308

[teal lynx]

Yeah my highest orb reset was 51 with an insane amount of Crystals on beans - 309 orb

[lyric sequoia]

Might be somewhat more noticable on things like socks where your orb could get higher faster, but IIRC endgame summarized it as insignificant still

[tacit tulip]

it'll probably be worth re-evaluating once book level goes up again

at like 400 orb you'd be risking getting 100 before the reset which'll prolly hurt

[fierce oracle]

I think when you're at 310+ you would get more value of it, even with resets

[fierce oracle]

yea but you'd be getting like 200 more per orb

[lyric sequoia]

Nah it's earlier than that, like 302-304ish

[fierce oracle]

so the 100 that you lose would not really matter

[thin kernel]

ok i got 8 golden watch atm... and i will only use them.. to boost gaming.. but when.. wait til i can get 110% for a daily mail ( snail) or just "spam it " now ? and hope to see big gains: ( atm is lvl 20 and it reset back to 20 if it reset )

[lyric sequoia]

Endgame were doing tests on it long before they were getting into the 320+ regions

[tacit tulip]

yeah but it would delay the orb uses as you increase the cooldown - you'd be getting your big orb rolls, lessoften.

weird balancing act

I trust the endgamers more than myself, tho 😄

[teal lynx]

Orb only gets placed when the original orb has 5 sec left afaik

[fierce oracle]

its less than 5sec

its like 1.5

[tacit tulip]

Yeah that's exactly what I mean

[prisma drift]

Mine insta places

[teal lynx]

Ahh didn't read it like that mb

[fierce oracle]

mine insta placed the first time I tested, but now it doesnt, might have been changed on some patch and didnt show on patch notes

[tacit tulip]

If it instaplaces then there's no reason to level it up, as you gain nothing

[fickle path]

Lol, I'm the crazy guy indeed XD. Btw, its a great day for that account, finally finished grinding molties and unlocked the next map. Now only 2000h for the next lol

[lyric sequoia]

Yeah you'd forever leave orb at the levl for 120s of uptime if it instant replaced

[fickle path]

Btw, how did you even remember my user @tacit tulip ?

[tacit tulip]

I remembered the conversation and searched it in discord

wasn't hard to find

[fickle path]

I guess

[tacit tulip]

I specifically remembered you asking how sailing exp worked 🙂

[true oasis]

Or you can say you were hard to forget

[fickle path]

I guess I'm the only person that cares about the details of this game's mechanics

[tacit tulip]

about that specific mechanic at least 😄

[fickle path]

Some other random stuff too

[undone wagon]

in the anvil upgrade tab in the game, I have 500% does that mean 5x?

cuz on idleonefficiency say something different

[tacit tulip]

ie is pretty inaccurate with anvil (I found it underestimated how much I get)

better to use IT

[undone wagon]

what is IT?

[fierce oracle]

!it

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo#2331

[undone wagon]

MM

[tacit tulip]

like ie ,but different

[fierce oracle]

same thing as IE but gets updated more frequently

[tacit tulip]

Yeah. I prefer IEs layout but IT is arguably the more useful of the two

[lilac bolt]

w1 mobs on ES still dmg cards or crystal chance ?

[snow light]

what are you looking to do i would suggest DR/dmg cards ES doesnt really care too much about crystal chance if you want to farm crystals better done on DK/Vman

[lilac bolt]

like gmush cap

[obsidian nacelle]

does Vmans speedrun remove his kills for deathnote?

[snow light]

DR and dmg easily

[obsidian nacelle]

shyt

[native apex]

If youre gonna farm gmush do it on sb

[sick sentinel]

You get refunded 2m per Mob and gwt access to your furthest characters map unlocked in exchange

[obsidian nacelle]

that explained that. was wondering why my deathnote reverted back

[tacit tulip]

yep, vman is pure support now

you only ever want him skilling

[obsidian nacelle]

sadness

[tacit tulip]

on the plus side you're not gonna have to grind him through w6

[obsidian nacelle]

true.

[snow light]

i just active him for like 2-3 hours depending on how lucky i get with crystal spawns and take advantage of CCD then i take him back to skilling

[thin kernel]

for farming glas shard and clams ( rare farm) es is the best right ? and a lots of dr and multikill?

[tacit tulip]

yes though a lot of people use DK as those are both good statue farm maps too

your glass/shells will be lower than ES tho

[thin kernel]

well thx 🙂

[crystal ginkgo]

Swear Printet go Brrr has been secretly nerfed.
I get so few uses nowadays.

[snow light]

same here i get lucky to get more than 1 nowadays

[sterile bison]

i think i had my luckiest day ever yesterday on auto i counted 14

[crystal ginkgo]

3 rolls is a good day.
Today, single use.

[sterile bison]

im also a moron and have 2 mman

[crystal ginkgo]

If it makes you feel better I have a warrior with no Elite class that has been like that for some time now.

[cerulean hemlock]

😄

[prisma drift]

Nah I got 13 uses yesterday

Too much clicking

[cerulean hemlock]

I do! ❤️

[warm pond]

if you left gaming full of plants for a week would they reach lvl 5 (havn't unlocked any 5's yet)

[sharp egret]

finally the chocolate chip, farming world 4 statues is so much faster with it

[lyric sequoia]

tfw you used all your spices on kitchens first

Not a huge deal I guess, will get it tomorrow and add it to the pile

[cerulean hemlock]

At least one!

[warm pond]

not having the extra rank 5 multiplier is killing me

things are costing green bits

and its rough to make 1

[fading plover]

just throw on kitsune and let em cook for a bit

[cerulean hemlock]

I was noob a long long time ago

[fickle path]

That looks just like my no kill account

[cerulean hemlock]

❤️

That was from a long long while ago

[fickle path]

Well, it is different cause you have a class lol

[opaque herald]

can someone link the guide masterlist? cant seem to find it

[obsidian nacelle]

my chars have a decent lab level ( 60+ ) and i dont really care to raise them higher. Should i then connect everyone to bear god in Div for lab nodes except my main pusher, SB and Chopper

[cerulean hemlock]

Yes, then get goat later

[fading plover]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1084925174517866496

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/5724beae7c1744ba1e5333bf7acd45fd.png

slowly getting there

[obsidian nacelle]

okay, so i have goat now... but wouldnt i need them in lab to get the bonus? or does one person need to be connected to goat

[cerulean hemlock]

Yep!

You level two skills at once

[high pasture]

why

[tacit tulip]

those stacks aint gonna green themselves

[teal lynx]

You would need goat on people that are connected to lab, yeah

But your decision to put everyone on bear might not be the best. It seems bad having 6 people sit in Lab, but you are missing out on so many good God buffs if you connect them all to Bear. Harriep for good prints and Omni for more Sailing/Gaming/Refinery/Cooking/3D Printer to be exact

[obsidian nacelle]

yeah, im currently this from like a month after w5 released and never reworked it. Im trying to update it ( without doot) and wasnt sure which direction to go in

[native apex]

Or.. just saying git doot

//flies

[obsidian nacelle]

🫠

[teal lynx]

Yeah Doot would be nice. The only time I had more than 2 Arctis was when I pushed everyone simultaneously to W5 Boss

[upper slate]

changing to an already-sampled item will not reset the counter, right?

[teal lynx]

Only pressing the sample ability will reset that . Even if you don't sample anything

[upper slate]

good to know. thank you

[keen rapids]

Anyone know how much hp moles heal nm kruk per second?

[tacit tulip]

They'll be a % heal once they reach the end of their life. Issue is there's randomness in the spawns

so getting an estimate is rough

[azure spindle]

what's the time limit for td to complete a wave?

[wide halo]

So how do I cloud save when closing off pc again

[wide halo]

There is no time limit but there is a countdown to when the next wave spawns so ig that's your "time limit"

[sterile bison]

Players >cloud save

[azure spindle]

ah okay cool, thought it timed out at a certain point if it took too long

[wide halo]

There's literally an option there.?

[sterile bison]

Yes top left

[azure spindle]

wave 130 one cans was like 2b so no bad, then wave 140 had like 70b so got a little worried

[sterile bison]

Technically it says player menu& cloud save

[wide halo]

Alr thnx

Guess I'll sleep early since I can't risk talents resetting

[sterile bison]

Talents are local so If you save and switch system then presets it will be different

[cerulean hemlock]

Mhmm

[sharp egret]

getting carpenter to the point where atoms can raise it was surprisingly pointless

[tacit tulip]

it adds a good bit at the top end just because of how many levels your dk has

[open lava]

Who pinged me

I will find you

[cerulean hemlock]

🤷

[clear quartz]

i still nneed to get carpenter to atom range lol

think its the one "big" thing i need to catch up on

[silent geode]

Any tips on statue farming

[clear quartz]

lots of drop rate, otherwise DK for most

like you probably dont wanna farm with sub 15x, im starting to like it at 22+x tho tbh

[silent geode]

I don't think my drop rate reached to that

[sterile bison]

did you get chocolatey chip?

[fallen torrent]

15-20x is still fine DR to be farming some statue at beans

or sandpots for W2

[silent geode]

@sterile bison I do have chocolaty chip

[humble coral]

do i have to focus all/most of my characters in divinity even if i have doot cuz i just rushed and my account is still lacking

[sterile bison]

thats just big for crystal farming

[silent geode]

I'm trying to get power statues for the onyx statue but I'm getting 23-33 per hour

[sterile bison]

Afk or active?

[silent geode]

Active

[sterile bison]

Oh dam that’s super low what’s your dr?

[silent geode]

I'ma go check rn

[cerulean hemlock]

Ayo

[silent geode]

I don't remember how to check my drop rate

[prisma drift]

#newplayer-chat-w1🍀w2⏳

[sterile bison]

items, its on the player info tab

[silent geode]

If it is drop rarity then it is a little more than 5x

[kindred dagger]

Hey Jamms, do you work in the oilfield by any chance?

[silent geode]

In Irl?

[kindred dagger]

Yeah.

[silent geode]

No

I'm not even out of high school

[kindred dagger]

Alright. There's a guy at my work named Jamms, thought maybe it was you.

[silent geode]

Lol

[cerulean hemlock]

How dare you! 😠

[silent geode]

?

[cerulean hemlock]

😛 this is a diff. account

[silent geode]

Ok

[stiff kayak]

do i have to get 100k kph to print frisbee?

[silent geode]

No it's just a rare chance I think

[teal lynx]

Mob Printing is different. You need afk%, skills in your bar -> Since skills affect kills afk, mob respawn is huge, multikill, movement speed

[sterile bison]

its not a rare drop its the base drop

[stiff kayak]

so im right?

[teal lynx]

Very different factors for mob sampling, but Red Frisbee is easy to sample in Vman Speedruns

[sterile bison]

it doesn't count multikill i think

[silent geode]

Idk

[prisma drift]

It does

Because it’s a basic drop

[sterile bison]

oh duh that makes sense

[naive kraken]

Does bear + goat work how I'd imagine them working on Sorc?

[silent geode]

No

@naive kraken that does not work sadly

[sterile bison]

you will need the proportion of your sample to be over 100k though so just base 100k kills per hour won't get you there, even if you have 90% sample youd need over 100k kpg to sample it outside of speed runs

[naive kraken]

dang, thx

[rough wasp]

Click your colo tickets

[mint remnant]

guys do i get rid of my club member dk to have the 10 divine trophies or do i leave him as is for the memes

[prisma drift]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

I don’t wanna run Colo today

So I’m skipping

[rough wasp]

Me too i wanna be lazy

[teal lynx]

Vman Samples go brrrr. Now for my 75-200 Colo tickets a day

[rough wasp]

i got 1 whole proc

[teal lynx]

No I meant: I sampled W4 Mats

[rough wasp]

gross

[bold quiver]

hardest is to sample the last monster

[teal lynx]

No active ES, but printer action

Yeah, didn't get that

[bold quiver]

at least that way u can always have 1B mats

[prisma drift]

But how do you print quick slap then?

[teal lynx]

Hey that Colo clicking will be done for only 7 days. Need to get candy for either Starfire bars or Minuteglass GS

[teal lynx]

I don't

[silent geode]

Any way to increase my dr?

[prisma drift]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

A lot of ways

[bold quiver]

yes, get more DR. you are welcome

buy 9 red cardifier from shop, use all of them on drop card cards, GG

[rough wasp]

[teal lynx]

Do we just throw in the Dr spreadsheet or do we actually try to help with words?

[prisma drift]

I usually throw the spreadsheet when it’s that low

[bold quiver]

i refuse to help someone that asks "how to getr more DR

[silent geode]

I think both

[bold quiver]

when u just have to get more DR

we will ask " are your DR cards maxed?" he wil say no

[teal lynx]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1141880730411094106

[bold quiver]

do u have all obols slots but family 5000 with dice/pop? they will say no

so its a question that hardly makes sense somehow

[silent geode]

My Dr for cards is almost maxed except for event ones

[teal lynx]

Brave accidentally helping Jamms by complaining

I do get it tho

[bold quiver]

oh no, u saw through my disguise

[teal lynx]

Lots of ways at 5x dr

[bold quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[sterile bison]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=drop rate

[bold quiver]

i believe DR sources start to get thinner at 9-10DR

[prisma drift]

My base DR is like 13

[teal lynx]

I don't even know how I went from 12x - 22x
it just happened

[bold quiver]

exactly kkkkkkkk

i remember having 10DR ajnd going " where the fuck do i get more DR" then overtime it just went up to 15

then after islands p2w pack, 22

[prisma drift]

Equinox was fat

[sterile bison]

https://tenor.com/view/kenney-deathrow-hater-gif-18783823

[silent geode]

Where do I get more dice obols

[teal lynx]

W2 Crystals with DK

[silent geode]

Ok

[teal lynx]

Sand pots is often used, since you want glass shards

[sterile bison]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=dice+obols+idleon

[teal lynx]

Don't forget to reroll every Dr obol to +1 dr at the lowest tier possible

The rerolled obol goes on the left side of the combine* menu

[stiff swan]

I’m up to meaty traps. What’s the go to trap for regular critter gains?

[crystal temple]

finally 2k killroy get

[teal lynx]

Credit goes to Scoli

[teal lynx]

Oh yeah. Your Killroy renews before mine. Is it a 2 mage week?
Congrats on 2k

[crystal temple]

archer/mage

[teal lynx]

:(

[crystal temple]

i got thermister/frogs suprisingly frogs did it

[teal lynx]

Atleast a good mage map
Frogs has insane amount of mob count for some reason

[crystal temple]

next equinox goal 121 citringe

TT_TT

[teal lynx]

Not too bad. I recommend throwing a second void tower near the end of the platform incase some of those teleport monsters get through

[dapper prism]

frogs for mage next killroy?

[crystal temple]

Archer therm / Mage frogs is what i got

[sterile bison]

whoooo

[dapper prism]

that means finally will have the damn equinox done 😄

[sterile bison]

thank you for letting me know @sly wraith !!!!!

[crystal temple]

Im not having teleporter issues theres too many around for too long on 120 i think im getting dps check'd

[teal lynx]

Oh. Are you using the new Pancake guides?

[dapper prism]

#1084925174517866496

[cerulean hemlock]

@bold quiver I'm in W4 now 🥳

[teal lynx]

With that setup round 120 shouldn't be too bad

[teal lynx]

2 more weeks and you actually belong in here again

[cerulean hemlock]

Hopefully

[dapper prism]

Nawh, AAA gonna need a month 😉

[cerulean hemlock]

I only have 150k damage atm

[cerulean hemlock]

That'll be good, imo

[dapper prism]

because triple A's are always delayed, and this one has even more A's

[cerulean hemlock]

For that crime..
You got a friend request!

[crystal temple]

i was using the old sheets guides that might help

[stiff swan]

I feel like trapping and worship are stunting my gains

[crystal temple]

ill be back in an hour trying it

[cerulean hemlock]

Trapping is more annoying, worship is more time consuming

[lilac bolt]

is there zow build ?

[stiff swan]

Agreed. Need to devote some time to redoing td waves

[worn sonnet]

Look at this fella

[stiff swan]

can anyone link latest and greatest td setups

[prime lynx]

How many statues do you guys get /hour in Beans on DK?

[olive sphinx]

That's a nice fella you got there

[teal lynx]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1084925174517866496
They are in here. Pinned messages to get to all the good links/guides

[crystal temple]

for citringe td there are two setup pics, im assuming i use the first one but whats the second one for

[stiff swan]

Thanks! Didn’t know that existed

[teal lynx]

DPS Mode when there is only the Boss (maybe some mobs) and you only need the one kraken to hold them there

[kindred dagger]

750 with 10 DR, and 1:44.

[crystal temple]

so im never using it. gotit

o7

id rather wait then gimp myself by selling towers and losing out on the possibility of going further beyond TY brother

[snow light]

so... if W6 is dropping in febuary then i have till then to get lvl 100 on my DR right?

[teal lynx]

27 minutes of Beans. 22.03x dr - 1/25 crystal chance + choco chip

[olive sphinx]

#achievement-pics message
How do people get so much dr early game when I am struggling to push mine higher

Am I missing something

[teal lynx]

Have you done your Pop Obols + Dice obols and bought the 1.2x multi from the Island Adventurer Pack?

8x dr is also only basic stuff

[olive sphinx]

All obol slots available are dr and no I am f2p as far as I'm aware

[teal lynx]

What's your Dr at?

[olive sphinx]

6.2

It's so LOW

[teal lynx]

So the pack would bring you to ~7.5x

[olive sphinx]

What about the f2p ways

[teal lynx]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1141880730411094106

There is A LOT of ways to increase dr

[olive sphinx]

Btw that's with the Dr cards which makes it worse

[teal lynx]

Make sure to buy the star talent book that's currently in the W2 Weekly boss shop if you haven't gotten it yet

[snow light]

is that with the plat starred cards? it might be worth farming a couple bosses and mobs to get plat level cards

[olive sphinx]

Ye I have that lvl 100 and maxed

[olive sphinx]

Just doot and event cards aren't plat

[snow light]

xayayah linked a really really good calculator i suggest looking at it when you get the chance because i looked and i managed to get to 13.33x or something like that on my DK

[frank harbor]

Xayayah is amazing and helped me with my bug report. Do whatever she says.

[teal lynx]

This is not a paid actor btw

[prime lynx]

Does DR matter that much? I almost have 10x DR and have 1/70 crystal, but I only get about 300 /hour?

[stiff swan]

got elephant god and at full lab nodes (working on jewels). Have everyone linked to arctis. Have my vman cycling through w1-3 skills for top level and then others following. Should I just throw people into highest w5 map to level them? Trying to figure out what to do with my chars

[frank harbor]

This is absurd. I get ~200 power statues at beans for AN HOUR. DK is level 400 so my dr must be way too low. Currently 5.96

[snow light]

it saves a LOT of time as you can see xayayah has almost 20x your drop with what she has so i consider that very good

[stiff swan]

As I get further and further I feel like I’m more and more unsure of what I should be doing

[frank harbor]

Same

[teal lynx]

Every xx.51x dr gives you +1 statue. So let's say 10.51x gives you 10 statues per kill -> 11.51x would give you 11 statues per kill (not sure about the actual rate of statues at 10/11.51x)

[stiff swan]

thx for the validation

[frank harbor]

So for my 5.9 I get 5 statues per kill?

[prime lynx]

Interesting… Well guess I gotta increase my DR.

[frank harbor]

Same

[snow light]

more so every statue icon that drops on the overworld screen is equivilant to 4-5 statues actually dropped

or it might be 5-6 depending on the breakpoint i dont know the coding for it too well myselrf

[teal lynx]

Yeah maybe some endgamers or code diggers can chime in with their knowledge. I just know the basic stuff behind the math - 10 and 11 statues was just something I threw in to show the difference

[bold quiver]

there is a loot drop calculator somewhere, u can try using it

[teal lynx]

To you people that wanted to increase their DR. https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1141880730411094106 this is a great overview of all the dr increases in the game - for the beginning it's Cards and Obols

You can copy that spreadsheet and look how your Dr would be influenced with xy bonus

[snow light]

this is W8 ready now right? or only W6 ready?

[teal lynx]

Another bubble for W6 ready I think

[rapid shale]

U need one more to be w6 ready

[snow light]

got it wish me luck for that bubble then...

[fallow aurora]

is 1 in 41 crystal chance good enough for onyx statue farming?

[crystal temple]

wave 110 done except the waiting. the true test comes now

[teal lynx]

Going fast ^^
120 will be easy for you

[hoary root]

What's a good way to farm money

[scarlet cypress]

What are people spending trophies on?

[crystal temple]

trust me you dont wanna see my account. it's a real mess and i basically ignored td since we got atoms and superbits this is sketchy af

[rapid shale]

Gold pocket watches so I have some when w6 drops. Don’t know how helpful they will be tho

[bold quiver]

pray that they are useful!

[teal lynx]

DK on Wurms (W5 wurms) - Bubo might still be better for you so test that. Most money comes from enough Gmush kills (Crystal farming btw)

[bold quiver]

DK op

after dk release bubo became a water refiller only D:

[hoary root]

I'm actually haven't started pushing w5

[teal lynx]

So most your money will come from afk farming Gmush kills with your Siege breaker. And one of your person that pushes W5 at some point

I think Harriep also had some Money multiplier - not sure how good that actually is

[hoary root]

Ok

[vagrant mountain]

divinity is its own multi so it is very good

if you hover your money multi on IT, everything with an asterisk is its own individual multi group and everything else is in a group together

[bold quiver]

haarriep is good when u are at the stage that ui dont need omniphau procs anymore

[crystal temple]

Turns out you were right i think i did it

I definitely did it now i wait out the boss hp

[fading oracle]

Is there a List on wich Atom collider Upgrade you should focus First?

[teal lynx]

Atleast one level in all (except the last if you don't have snail yet) is nice. And then Hydrogen + Boron is really good to max out first

You can also skip berrylium if you want - depends on how you play

[fading oracle]

So i should Upgrade This First before i spend my Atoms on Alchemy?

[teal lynx]

Alchemy is more worth in my opinion

Alchemy is limited daily, while you can always upgrade the collider buffs

Good to know. If you level boron up you get all your Alchemy clicks back (except the 10 you get from unlocking Purrmep*)

[fading oracle]

But i don’t make enough Atoms Daily To Use up all the Daily Clicks

[teal lynx]

It's such a long time ago, that I did that atom thing. Try to increase your samples as much as possible - this is achieved through alchemy