lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[cobalt nymph]

so just boulders then

[wide halo]

Those stunning mobs hurt

Boulders like 10

[cobalt nymph]

you just need placement properly

as he shows in the video

your first 2 boulders will get hit

you lvl the 3rd one

and it kills the waves nicely

[wide halo]

Where the video pls send i don't wanna scroll

[cobalt nymph]

and then as you go up, the party towers give so much attk speed that your boulders just destroy everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycNdheSQ06M&t=554s

[wide halo]

Ty

[cobalt nymph]

you can follow his literaly guide

[wide halo]

Air pollution build

[cobalt nymph]

i got to 80 on forest

with just boulder spam xD

[wide halo]

I'm too busy making meme builds

[cobalt nymph]

ice/boulder

i just want to be efficient for now xD

[wide halo]

Air pollution build works but can't deal with bosses

[cobalt nymph]

ye this build is kinda fully

the 2 krakens feel bosses stuck at the edge

and your 1 boulder just slowly kills it xD

[wide halo]

Yeah

[cobalt nymph]

have to remind myself tho to collect manually on my mman

[wide halo]

I managed to lag out cos 1.5 as on bubo tower

[cobalt nymph]

for the exp

[wide halo]

I had like 17 clouds on top of one another will full tick build

[cobalt nymph]

xD

https://youtu.be/ycNdheSQ06M?si=3qbZGt5dthX8_gMe&t=720

look what happens here

i linked the time stamp

[wide halo]

Aight

Ty

I gotta look at ur nblb again

[cobalt nymph]

don't

i stopped caring XD

its trash

and will level the wrong shit

but no liquid to fix it

[wide halo]

Lmao

[wide halo]

I fixed my nblb so now it only targets carpenter trapping and cost reduction

[wide halo]

That's good
Id say try to make nblb target crits and soul

And salts

[cobalt nymph]

ye.. im too lazy to do hte maths xD

or to constantly check which to level

[wide halo]

I just check ie check nblb level up the stuff I don't want nblb to target

Since i only get 140 liq a day it's still painful

[cobalt nymph]

i keep clicking bubbles too much

and before i know it poof gone liquid xd

[wide halo]

Click click

xd

How goods ur bubo

[cobalt nymph]

trash

lvl 160

can't kill shit properly

[wide halo]

Mines beyond trash

[cobalt nymph]

its why im dumping everything in lab/div atm to get some extra bonuses since they scale with divinity level and i've gained so much div increase now that the first levels will fly by

[wide halo]

Bro has like 4 mil max 😭

[cobalt nymph]

and unlocking the extra gods would be nice too

i think my bubo's around 10/15m now

depending on me switching gear over to it like wings

from my es

[teal lynx]

You generally don't activate the Orange Jewel, since it requires you to force another character onto Arctis. It gives some Damage that can be easily achieved by upgrading Alcheny + Stamps.

[cobalt nymph]

oh right that's another 20% total damage, the wings my ES runs

rift walker wings i believe they calt

[wide halo]

Do u keep kawaii on?

[cobalt nymph]

kawaii?

[wide halo]

Gaming

[cobalt nymph]

what do you mean keep it on?

[wide halo]

That cat thingy

[cobalt nymph]

oh kitsune

yes

i turn it off when i sleep

[normal minnow]

one day my lab will look like this

[wide halo]

Idk y I call it kawaii :/

[cobalt nymph]

the grow cycles too fast for kme to leave it on when i sleep

[wide halo]

I messed up the name somewhere and it's stuck in my head

[cobalt nymph]

its a waste

speaking off sleeping...

i'm gonna go to bed xD

[wide halo]

Gn

[teal lynx]

Only takes some Weeks/Months
Don't know how long it actually takes

[cobalt nymph]

was a pleasure goodluck on the grind!

[wide halo]

Same gl to you too

[normal minnow]

me in w5 and i sitll havent unlocked anvil tab 4

[wide halo]

Not the only one there buddy

[normal minnow]

my towers arent high enough to get enough frigid souls

zzz

[wide halo]

Same

[normal minnow]

i havent even crafted grey gatsby for my bubo

[wide halo]

Check the guide my friend sent earlier

U just need some levels on boulder

[normal minnow]

yea

my boulder roller doesnt have good lvls

only 21

[wide halo]

That'll work

You need 15 boulder 5 party 1 eye

And you're good

I gotta try it myself

[normal minnow]

then once my party is up ill be fine

[teal lynx]

This Guide I assume ^^

[normal minnow]

need more starting points tho

zzz

[wide halo]

Yea

Also hey xayahayah
Is it morning for you? I forgot

[teal lynx]

Nearly 11am

So yeah? Guess depends on what your definition of morning is

[bold quiver]

w6 as a christmas gift when?

[teal lynx]

That would be in 2/3 days on Christmas

[bold quiver]

before noon = morning? ;[

[teal lynx]

When I was working 3:30 am to ~8 am I would say my morning ended at 9 am. But now when I wake up at like 9 am, my Morning would be over at 1-2 pm if that makes sense

[ornate zinc]

Just unlocked atoms
When should i actually start focusing on atoms?
Now?
Or till i have a specific sample size

Whatever

[teal lynx]

Some of those early Atom Collider upgrades are nice to unlock. You could look at IE/IT and figure out if you wanna save for them
At some point you can use Atoms to upgrade specific Bubbles and at that point it's good to use them mostly on Bubbles to increase your Sample -> To get more Atoms -> To Upgrade better bubbles -> To increase your Samples -> Repeat until you are happy with your samples (never)

[ornate zinc]

Alright

Tanks

[crimson night]

should i take my guys off divinity when i get goat or are the other ones also useful

worth it i mean

[crystal temple]

Alright i finally remembered rift existed and got ruby cards

[rugged token]

+4k to poing high score, still annoying af but i'm learning how to cheese the bot a little better

[teal lynx]

Cheese it more
The bit multi is actually better than I thought

[teal lynx]

You take everyone of Divinity and link them to Goat -> Then u put everyone in Lab to get Lab + Div XP at the same time

[rugged token]

yeah, it's a seperate multi so it's a true multi from what i've gathered

[crimson night]

yeah thats what i was thinking

[open mountain]

damn that looks pretty good. Should probably try to get better. I have a few thousand only

[crystal temple]

Which cards are the biggest pain to get without a cardifier? i have 8 stocked up and I'm locked into decision paralysis

[crystal temple]

I feel like this is as high as I go

[patent hatch]

go for the best cards imo

these two and doot are a good start

[crystal temple]

probably going to avoid the w5 mob cards i feel like I'll get those just going for eclipse

[patent hatch]

this if you can too

[quiet pewter]

also oak logs card

[tame wyvern]

How can you tell if the Kitsune rock in Gaming is on or off? Is sleeping off?

[quiet pewter]

does it look asleep or awake?

[tame wyvern]

Asleep right now

[quiet pewter]

off

[tame wyvern]

thanks

[crystal temple]

well after troll I had 6 left so i definitely can

[patent hatch]

if you lack candy this is good

and personally this too

[rugged token]

Bossing cards and Event cards have prio imo

[crystal temple]

Im not really hurting for candy, Thats one of the ones I'll get most of the way to passively going for eclipse

CHIZ o fugg i forgot

F

[crimson night]

when do i start doing rift like what damage should i have

[patent hatch]

what do u have rn

[crimson night]

like 40-50m

[patent hatch]

give it a go and see

[crimson night]

alright

[rugged token]

https://idleon.wiki/wiki/The_Rift you can check the rift page on the wiki to see the challenges and hp of the mobs

[patent hatch]

pretty ironic that rift is just so much easier than equi

like, it's not even close either

[teal lynx]

40-50 m damage with crit multi and ability damage multi should be easily enough

Forgot to reply to message

[quiet pewter]

i remembered to reply to this message

[crystal temple]

Alright a bunch of little upgrades complete to make me feel better about my anemic alchemy

[patent hatch]

wize old fella

[exotic flare]

Hi, plz guys, Could someone tell me which items from the world 5 gem shop are most worth buying?

[patent hatch]

sorry mate, it's a secret :/

[tame wyvern]

Gaming queston - My fertiliser is at lvl 246 which supposedly gives my sprouts a base value of 5.26B. But I'm lucky to even get 1B when I harvest a full garden. I don't get what I;'m doing wrong here...

[open mountain]

isnt there a gemshop guide or tierlist? Feels like it should exist

[teal lynx]

You have a base value of 5.26B WHITE Bits. But you are getting 1B GREEN Bits

[tame wyvern]

ohhhhh, thanks for clearing that up

[patent hatch]

:D

[open mountain]

The snail seemed like a good purchase to me at least

[exotic flare]

Ty

[open mountain]

I don't know if it's the best or not though

[teal lynx]

I know that there is a gemshop tierlist somewhere, but it's kinda outdated

There is a kinda updated one in the IE Review Tool https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1174753262365315203 or http://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/ (Special thanks to Scoli ) - this might not immediately give you W5 recommendations

[exotic flare]

Ty 💜

[normal minnow]

is chizoar caustic scarf better than crescent moon pendant?

[open mountain]

Found this:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[teal lynx]

If the Scarf gives you another multikill tier or lets you kill Monsters in general it's better. The moon just gives you a little more XP

[normal minnow]

i see, was just wondering whether or not i shd try grind for it

[teal lynx]

In the end you want 10 of those scarfs, since they upgrade into the best Necklace available for now

[normal minnow]

yeap

but that's a LONG time from now

[teal lynx]

But it shouldn't be too hard getting them with some Dr

[normal minnow]

love how im in w5 but only 4 of my chars are elite class 💀

[lost depot]

Bubo at worms is so insanely laggy I feel like my game is running at 50% speed

[wide halo]

Wait what

You're a contender

[normal minnow]

yea

im just

too lazy

[whole slate]

same

i could push for bb but im working on zows rn

[primal bison]

Get a better pc

[lost depot]

xd

[bold quiver]

@thin rose did i surpass you?

[normal minnow]

that's a very big number

[bold quiver]

gracias

[whole slate]

10k when

[normal minnow]

is that hourly clicking or is that just atoms

[tacit tulip]

boooo quick slap boooo

[open mountain]

Hourly clicking mob material doesn't seem likely

[normal minnow]

fair enough

8.3m/50m for my atom collider

[bold quiver]

i can upgrade 70 times per day, at 110% larry, so 7 clicks wil be +3, 150 levels per day. so in 9 days i can reach 10 thousand

[bold quiver]

i dont hourly click anything! im fighting agains this stupid system. I believe that one day lava will allow us to upgrade bubbles based on our actual 3d prints

[normal minnow]

10 thousand is a big number

[bold quiver]

indeed

[rugged token]

holy shit my heart is pumping i'm never touching poing ever again

[bold quiver]

its a linear increase in dmg, so its a solid upgrade

[open mountain]

I don't remember there being a cap of 1b material in storage, so maybe he can just remove that limit?

[bold quiver]

cant cuz the game is written in 32 bits

so if it goes above 2,1B it overflows on mobile

[tacit tulip]

there's ways around it but it would require recoding parts of the base system (which could cause other bugs/problems) so atom was the easier solution

[open mountain]

wait is that why that patch came?

[bold quiver]

for some unknown reason most game developers dont bother fixing some stuff

like, he released equinox 200 GS quest, but he didnt bother allowing us to re-drop some early game items from quest

[normal minnow]

also i've always been curious, why instead of putting values at 1B he puts it at 1000M

[bold quiver]

changes at 10b

[normal minnow]

i see

[tacit tulip]

If you make 10 stacks in storage and fill them all, then combine them, it'll show 10B before you change maps (and atom them all) haha

[bold quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/champagne-barbie-cookie-monster-gif-3214247160537358779

[open mountain]

Guess alot of people will just have to wait for w6 to come out then. Should be alot easier

[bright vine]

I see hourly clicks done by everyone but their mother. But do people actually got a cut oak for even more clicks every hour, considering some get 1-3b oak logs an hour?

[bold quiver]

to be fair its very easy reaching 200 GS

[tall notch]

Silly question. I finished lord of the hunts questline but i still cant catch blobfish

[bold quiver]

but if u have completed all monster quests on your chars, you are fucked

[tacit tulip]

blobfish are unlocked through the w4 quest instead

[bold quiver]

u dont require the long shop 10M items to finish 200GS, so thats a good thing

[tall notch]

Ah fuck me. Thanks

[bold quiver]

some stuff takes over 4 months to GS

[tacit tulip]

on the plus side, it's easier than the hunter quest 🙂

[open mountain]

do you have 200 gs?

[tall notch]

Which questline is it in w4? Thanks

[bold quiver]

almost, 197

[open mountain]

damn thats alot

[bold quiver]

in 3 days (i think) i will reach 199

then i can just use a few candies to get 200

[normal minnow]

me with my 4 Greenstacks

[teal lynx]

Unfortunately all of your materials past 1050m instantly get converted to Atoms. So we can't click the same bubble from one printer proc

[bold quiver]

its not hard getting GS if u have already reached W5

Its more about keeping your collider on stacking them

[normal minnow]

i dont even have collider yet

[teal lynx]

W5 + ES + Some dr = Easy 50+ GS

[bold quiver]

oh sorry, not collider , 3d print

[normal minnow]

oh i see

my plan is to push to the end of w5 with my bubo and then fix everything on mu account

my account is horrendous

[bold quiver]

cuz if u are lazy with your samples, yeah, some basic GS takes a while. But if u are barely deligent, u can get 20 GS easily with prints

[teal lynx]

Or you fix your account now and push to the End in a few days after that

[bold quiver]

finish 10M of some ore, swap to next, logs, swapto next, and so on

[normal minnow]

im too lazy for that

[bold quiver]

u can always push offline and still fix your acc lol

i doubt your active bubo is faster than an offline barbarian

Nobisect + offline BB = shreads portals

[normal minnow]

yea but like

im too far into my bubo to start building another character

[bold quiver]

where u at

[bright vine]

But can’t you log in, do alch, pick up 1b, do alch, pick another 1b and repeat?

[normal minnow]

i meant all my gear for bubo

im on citrons map

[bold quiver]

but u dont rly need gear for offline

[normal minnow]

or however you spell it

[bold quiver]

citringes

[bright vine]

Or does the atom kick in before you get over 1b

[normal minnow]

yes

[bold quiver]

thats nice u are almost there

[proud pumice]

well, right now there isn't that much of a reason to push w5 if it takes you too long to unlock each new portal

[normal minnow]

i cld send my ie for yall to look at

[proud pumice]

assuming it doesn't change from previous worlds, you will be able to candy w5 the day w6 comes out

[teal lynx]

Do you mean with printing stuff or with actually using Candy on Oak/Bleack Tree?
You can use Candies to upgrade the bubble even more
But Printing doesn't drop materials

[tacit tulip]

Lava also reduces portal reqs when a new world comes out, so pushing now would absolutely be a mistake

[bold quiver]

before equinox collider used to take a few seconds to activate, so many people abused that, then lava fixed it

[bright vine]

Candy or just afk

[teal lynx]

That's possible yeah

[bright vine]

Like is that a viable stray people use?

Or it’s overkill?

[teal lynx]

Some people do it and get massive amount of base stats

But it takes candy. Is not doable without Ram Companion and absolutely shreds your water

[bold quiver]

if i wanted i could get 150K base stats for my wisdom now

but i would also get shaadow banned for doing that lol

[bright vine]

Why

[bold quiver]

(lava has a limit on base stats allowed)

[bright vine]

Oh

[bold quiver]

Well, i think lava didnt realize that people could use candy to upgrade alchemy bubbles kkkkkkk

[bright vine]

What’s the limit?

[bold quiver]

100k

it always gets increased in new world releases so it will probably go up on W6

[bright vine]

So once you are 100k+ your acc is done for?

[bold quiver]

not done, shadow ban means that u cant interact with other players anymore

but besides that, the game is the same

[bright vine]

Hmm, what if you respec talents and go below 100k?

You get unbanned?

[bold quiver]

doesnt work, if u get to 100k u are banned for life

[bright vine]

Terrible

Will keep in mind, thanks

[bold quiver]

Indeed, cuz with candy its not hard to reach 100k for endgame people

[quiet pewter]

the MMO aspects are so poorly implemented that im suprsied ppl even notice if they shadow banned or not

[bold quiver]

time consuming and extremely annoying, but not hard

[bold quiver]

yeah thats why it doesnt rly matter if u get shadowbanned, game is still singleplayer offline

Like, any endgame player that doesnt know aboy Base stats limit would be shadowbanned for using candy to reach 100k

thats very sad

[open mountain]

wont you need a ton of candies to get anything worth while though?

[quiet pewter]

sounds like an old limit that never got updated

[open mountain]

or do you somehow get more than one bubble upgrade per candy?

[bold quiver]

it has been updated on every new world release as far as i know, so at w6 it will increase again

[quiet pewter]

ah ok, so just a bad limit then

[bold quiver]

more than 1, but yeah u would need a lot of candy.

Wouldnt be recommended to do it unles u can get at least 1B samples per 1h candy

so 1h candy = 2 levels on bubble

[open mountain]

with larry?

[bold quiver]

yes

[open mountain]

so in other words, 1 blue candy would give 2 bubble levels? Seems like you would need a ton to reach that 100k limit

[bold quiver]

yes, but not necessarily 1 blue candy, can be any candy

i woudl strongly advise not to use blue candy

its better to use only 4h+

[teal lynx]

1 level = 6 base stats or so. It isn't that many candies

[bold quiver]

1st bubble is flat stats

1 = 1

[open mountain]

but its affected by bubble 2 no?

[teal lynx]

It gets multiplied by bubble 17, which gets multiplied by bubble 2

[open mountain]

what

why not?

oh

[bold quiver]

idk

[open mountain]

nevermind

[proud pumice]

bubble 2 doesn't affect bubble 1

[bold quiver]

its 1 = 1

[tacit tulip]

it's to stop it double dipping basically

[open mountain]

yeah makes sense

[bold quiver]

probably cuz coded to only hit upward bubbles

since NBLB also works checking everybubble in order from bottom to top

[bold quiver]

cant double dip in the sauce

[tacit tulip]

but yeah, bubble 17 and 2 combined is about a 6x multiplier

so each level in bubble 1 should give you 6 stats

[bold quiver]

imagine if that happened D:

[open mountain]

not accounting for +x% stat buffs from items etc

[tacit tulip]

those don't apply to bubble 1 at all

[bold quiver]

bubble 1 is flat stats

[open mountain]

oh the more you know

[granite grove]

its total stat so % doesnt affect sadly

[open mountain]

ah got it

[teal lynx]

It already does happen Brave. Bubble 17 states that it increases Bubble 1. And Bubble 17 gets multiplied by bubble 2

[tacit tulip]

it's in the description of the bubble 😛

[granite grove]

if it were base stat tho, easy 7 digit stat or sth

[sacred verge]

does bubble 17 apply to bubble 1?

[bold quiver]

il check, its been so long since i last updated a bubble

[ornate zinc]

whats the best way to get alot of damage? cuz i need to get multikill in w5 :(

[granite grove]

quick slap atom degen

[open mountain]

quick slap bubble kinda good

[bold quiver]

(bubble got hit by +2) so u get 2x

cuz only 17th bubble buff applies

[teal lynx]

Are you on the right class?

[bold quiver]

cuz well, its saying

[teal lynx]

Are you on a mage when upgrading Wis?

[bold quiver]

bubble 2 doesnt hit bubble 1

[open mountain]

but it should hit severapurple if you on a mage

right?

[teal lynx]

Correct, but Bubble 2 does hit bubble 17 which hits bubble 1 IF you are on a mage

[bold quiver]

that doesnt happen

no double dipping

[tacit tulip]

so what you're saying is bubble 2 doesn't upgrade 17 either

[bold quiver]

it does

[tacit tulip]

lmao you can't have it both ways

[teal lynx]

You are looking left and right at the same time

unfortunately my printer is 40 min away

[bold quiver]

@teal lynx but yeah, i am on mage class haha

[tacit tulip]

if these two bubbles work together then bubble 17 should be 6.47x multiplier

if bubble 17 is 6.47, I should get 6 wis per bubble 1

if I don't,. then bubble 2 doesn't increase bubble 17

[bold quiver]

it does gets 6x applied

[tacit tulip]

but you only gained 4 wis from 2 bubble levels here

which means it isn't

as that's 2 per level

[bold quiver]

because lava coded so u dont get bubble 2 proccing on bubble 1

[teal lynx]

[tacit tulip]

I'm 100% convinced brave never went to school lmao

[open mountain]

if severapurple gives 6x bonus, can you figure out why what youre saying makes no sense?

[bold quiver]

u can create exceptions in the code so that 17th even if its 6x will only apply its base effect on a specific item.........

thats not even hard

[teal lynx]

Bubble 2 doesn't hit bubble 1. But it does hit Bubble 17 for a ~6x increase -> 6 Base stats. If bubble 2 would seperately hit bubble 1 it would be a ~16 base stat increase

[bold quiver]

thats why u create exceptions in the code

same way that lava created and exception so that bubble 2 doesnt affect bubble 1, even tho its a small bubble

or are u guys forgetting that '.'

[open mountain]

are you forgetting this?

[bold quiver]

yes, but u can just create and exception

[raven fog]

Guys how do you all feel about a button that re arranges cogs based on xp as a quality of life feature

[bold quiver]

thats whyi've been saying

it will apply 6x for some stuff but for bubble 1 it will keep its base effect

[teal lynx]

But that would mean Bubble 17 either A) doesn't get hit by bubble 2 at all. B) Bubble 17 doesn't increase Bubble 1

[bold quiver]

it wont

[open mountain]

youve only said bubble 2 directly does not affect bubble 1, and when we argued that "well shouldnt bubble 17 get a bonus", you just said "yes"

[granite grove]

just need "highlight least xp cogs" should be enough for cog/cons minmaxing

[bold quiver]

because u create an exception in the code

[bold quiver]

read again

[open mountain]

ok, now what?

[teal lynx]

I won't argue more about that. You are saying 2 different things all the time

[bold quiver]

because bubble 2 affects bubble 17

[open mountain]

feels like there is two different people typing behind that account yeah

not even sure what I'm arguing anymore

too confused

[sacred verge]

it would be very possible to code bubble 1 in a way that lets it only get hit by bubble 17 base effect

[bold quiver]

thats what i've been saying al the time

[open mountain]

not sure anybody here is arguing against that

ofcourse its possible

[sacred verge]

im not arguing, im just saying that is perfectly possible

[tight saddle]

https://i.imgur.com/x9XIr8v.png

[open mountain]

good then we agree

[bold quiver]

? u dont even know what the argument is?

[tight saddle]

Anyway... Had forgotted to do the divinity piggy's quests lol

[open mountain]

i give up

[eternal wasp]

[bold quiver]

save those fertilizers to get 90Q superbits later, it will help

[tacit tulip]

Honestly I think brave is right under these circumstances he';s just really shit at putting it into words

[bold quiver]

???? how can i be more explicit than what i was saying haha

[tight saddle]

Any idea at which point I should aim for that?

[tacit tulip]

Look bud, if literally everyone in the room is struggling to comprehend what you're writing, and you're getting angry at them for not getting it - the problem is the phrasing you're using

[bold quiver]

once u get a bit nugget! or u have around 5-8e27

[tight saddle]

Probably gotta eyeball it or something

I can get 1b easily atm

1b reds I mean

[normal minnow]

what is considered a "big" nugget'

[bold quiver]

i'd say 100M if your snail is good, if not 300M. that should be enough

[pure pine]

Should I focus on getting all Artifacts first and then trying to get them to gold and eldritch ?

[teal lynx]

You said 1=1, then you say it gets 2x. No double dipping into an immediate switch to 6x
You definitely confused a lot of people Brave. Not saying you are wrong or right. I can't confirm it right now

[tacit tulip]

I think this is what he's trying to say:

bubble 2 does not effect bubble 1
bubble 2 does effect bubble 17
bubble 17 effects bubbles 1,3,5,13,15

However, specifically, the interaction between bubble 2 and 17 does not work for the benefit of bubble 1. This means bubble 17 should do the following:

Bubble 17:

bubble 1: 2.3x
bubble 3,5,13,15: 6x (no easy way to test this)

[bold quiver]

cuz u have to read the previous messages

[teal lynx]

I read the previous messages...

[bold quiver]

this is out of context

[vague spoke]

how da hell i have to kill this thing with a blood berserker

[bold quiver]

that was in response to bubble 2 hitting bubble 17tg

and this wasnt for your statement, it was for another thing

[tacit tulip]

More damage (check pins for vman run too)

[teal lynx]

That is out of context? You said bubble 2 hits 17 for 6x ❓

[bold quiver]

the doesnt happen is that u dont get 6x applied if u are on a mage

[tight saddle]

What's the context here? Like are we upgrading bubble 1, 2 or 17 and thinking how the bonuses apply?

[tacit tulip]

Upgradiung bubble 1 specifically

[tight saddle]

And everyone agrees that bubble 2 doesn't affect bubble 1 or?

[tacit tulip]

yeah

[tight saddle]

Ahh so the issue is if bubble 2 affects bubble 17, which in turn affects bubble 1?

[tacit tulip]

I suspect a lot of confusion is that brave doesn;'t know what "double dipping" means

and he keeps using that phrase

[bold quiver]

u guys dont understand the context

[tacit tulip]

To double dip would mean the same buff is being applied twice (bubble 2 to bubble 1, bubble 2 to bubble 17 to 1)

[teal lynx]

You replied to them? We said the same thing
But yeah last message about that

[tacit tulip]

but that's not how he's using the term

[bold quiver]

And can u see that when i said " that doesnt happen" in response to > " hits bubble 1 IF you are on a mage

where is the confusion in that?

[tacit tulip]

I'm guessing brave probably isn't a native speaker, which is fine, but using the wrong words will definitely trip people up

[bold quiver]

i do know what double dipping is lol

[tacit tulip]

then use it correctly!

[bright vine]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-popcorn-gif-8880020

[bold quiver]

Her affirmative in that sentence was:
bubble 2 hits bubble 17, bubble 1 gets 6x bonus if u are in a mage class.
My response to that was:
It doesnt happen, u are incorrect

how can this be any confusing?

[tacit tulip]

probably because you used the wrong words to describe it

[teal lynx]

You legit said "and this wasnt for your statement, it was for another thing" and then said it was in response to my " hits bubble 1 IF you are on a mage"...

[open mountain]

double dipping would mean bubble 2 both affecting bubble 1 directly, and indirectly through bubble 17. Not double dipping would mean one of those routes would be snipped off

[bold quiver]

Following up it was argued that if bubble 2 hits 17, bubble 1 HAS to get 6x bonus

[open mountain]

I guess that's where alot of the confusion came from

[bold quiver]

and then i just said that it was easy to create and exception in the code so that it doesnt happen

[tacit tulip]

Yup, you're exactly right jargon 🙂

[tight saddle]

Bubble 1 at level 1: +1 WIS Bubble 2 at level x: 2x small bubbles (except bubble 1) Bubble 17 at level y: 2x Bubble 1

So the interaction goes B2 -> B17 -> B1.

Bubble 2 doubles the multiplier of Bubble 17, so Bubble 17 now gives 4x to Bubble 1.

Bubble 1 has base +1 WIS, but should give 4 WIS now?

[bold quiver]

how can it be any confusing?

[open mountain]

because you used the term "no double dipping" incorrectly

[bold quiver]

how

[open mountain]

just explained it a few messages above

[tacit tulip]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[teal lynx]

Looking at the chat logs you are always saying two different things

[tacit tulip]

Yup, this happens constantly with him. He'll say two contradictory statements then act like everyone else is insane when misunderstanding happens

[fathom lagoon]

Brave do be doing that kkkkkkkkkk

[tacit tulip]

I really should know better than to feed the trolls tbh

[bold quiver]

doesnt make any sense

[open mountain]

so no reason to continue this then I guess?

[tacit tulip]

yeah

[open mountain]

aight

[sacred verge]

guys wtf is the point of this argument

[open mountain]

bet

[eternal wasp]

[tight saddle]

With relatively little context... I'm guessing what @bold quiver means by "double dipping" is that IF Bubble 2 were to also buff Bubble 1 in addition to buffing Bubble 17... wouldn't that be double dipping then?

[bold quiver]

yes

[sacred verge]

just stop now and let it rest in the past

there is literally no reason to keep this going. the issue was resolved

[bold quiver]

bubble 1 cant get hit by both 2 multiplier bonuses

[open mountain]

I'm done with this.

What are you doing in preparation for w6?

[sacred verge]

200 GS

[open mountain]

2 separate sources is not double dipping, move on

[tacit tulip]

however, bubble 2 effects bubble 3 and bubble 17, which also effects bubble 3. This would be triple dipping under those rules - which is allowed?

[open mountain]

how close are you?

[bold quiver]

that would still be only 2 dif sources

[sacred verge]

im at 180 atm. i got some pretty easy ones i can get done quickly tho, like seasalt fish etc

[bold quiver]

so its not even double dipping by what jargon said

[open mountain]

you have 180 without all resources done? damn

[tight saddle]

Depends on the context I guess. If we're talking about how to maximizing our dippings with respect to boosting our chopping, then sure

[bright vine]

Rereading your message it makes perfect sense to me, if you remove everything said by other in between

[bold quiver]

it does perfect sense haha

[sacred verge]

been working on quest items as i didnt get alot of time to check in the last two weeks

[bold quiver]

but its fine i dont mind talking, o/

[open mountain]

Imma make this real easy:

If you have one chip, dip it, take a bite, and dip it again, that's double dipping
if you have two chips, dip them one time each for a total of 2 dips, that's not double dipping.

2 sources =/= double dipping

[limber grail]

spend a few days of particle upgrades on quick slap and put on speed potions

[open mountain]

I have almost all quest items to do too

[sacred verge]

how many GS are you sitting at now?

[tight saddle]

That's wrong. Your second example should be dipping the one chip in 2 different dips

:D

[open mountain]

170 something last I checked

[tight saddle]

Which I would call double dipping surely

[open mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/noooooooooo-gif-22984243

[tight saddle]

[sacred verge]

that not too bad

[open mountain]

I just don't see how I'm supposed to get 200 before w6, so I've just kinda put that idea on hold for now

[bold quiver]

@open mountain if u havent completed most monster material quest items its very easy to get to 200

[tight saddle]

"Two chips or two dips, that is the question" -Hamlet

[bold quiver]

it doesnt require long shop purchases also

[sacred verge]

yeah, depends on w6 release for me. wont be alot of time for idleon come christmas

[open mountain]

didnt w5 come out during christmas last year? 😦

[sacred verge]

i think it was some time before, i might be wrong

[open mountain]

I have most of the quest materials left, havent checked what characters can do which, but it's so much that by the time I'm halfway done it feels like w6 is gonna release anyhow

[tacit tulip]

woo maxed goose vial 😄

[bold quiver]

i only ever used double dipping to refere as getting 2 things from 2 diferent sources when u shouldnt have. I havent ever used that sentence to refer to actualy getting the same thing twice haha maybe thats the confusion

[tight saddle]

Seems like people are very precise with their dipping terminology

[open mountain]

Damn, nice

[normal minnow]

why are we talking about double dipping what did i miss

[tight saddle]

No. Please no. It's over.

[bold quiver]

u have to candy them

actualy farming would indeed be annoying

[normal minnow]

alr i'll just scroll up instead

[bold quiver]

id only advise against candying the star from W2 monster rating quest, very low drop rate

[open mountain]

Sounds like alot of candy for a few greenstacks though. Would rather spend them on something else, like green mushrooms for money

[bold quiver]

hmmmm for reference, it might help

[sacred verge]

yep these are slow af

[edgy pendant]

Yeah don’t candy quest items lol

[sacred verge]

even active they feel very slow

[bold quiver]

W1 monster quest materials i was getting 26K per 1h claim

W2 it was aroundn that (the goldrich) quest items

[bold quiver]

by the time it took me to farm 10M W2 leaves, i got 6M stars farmed D:

so im missing 3M

[tacit tulip]

Yeah that'll be it. I can try and explain the idea a bit better if you like

Assume that it does work how people want. We'd have the following:

Bubble 2 buffs bubble 1
Bubble 2 buffs bubble 17

Bubble 17 buffs bubble 1

This would result in bubble 1 benefitting from bubble two twice which means you end up double dipping on the buff applied from bubble 2

If only one of the two worked:

bubble 2 buffs bubble 17
bubble 17 buffs bubble 1

bubble 1 only benefits from double 2 once. This is not double dipping, but instead a single dip

In reality neither works

Bubble 17 buffs bubble 1
bubble 2 does not buff bubble 1
bubble 2 does not buff bubble 17.1

So 1 doesn't benefit from 2 at all, even though 2 buffs 17. Not even a single dip

[sacred verge]

i had the leaves done before i started star quest :/ haha

[bold quiver]

yeah it makes sense. The problemw as that i was using the double dipping terminology in the way u get 2 bonuses u shouldnt be getting (even if they are from different sources), but u were using the 2 times in the same source terminology, hence the confusion ( i didnt actualy know that ppl used that to refer to 2 times the same thing haha

[fathom lagoon]

Double dipping refers specifically to getting it from the same source though. That’s the definition of double dipping

[bold quiver]

thats one use of it

[open mountain]

that's the use for it

[fathom lagoon]

No, that’s the only use of it lol

[bold quiver]

i can assure it isnt the only use

[tacit tulip]

I guess the question is then...do the other buffs stack?

[fathom lagoon]

Dipping a chip into guac and queso isn’t double dipping

[open mountain]

then I can assure you that you've been using it wrong

[fathom lagoon]

Dipping the same chip into queso twice is double dipping

[tacit tulip]

Eg, bubble 2 buffs bubble 3
Bubble 17 buffs bubble 3

Do they stack?

[bold quiver]

dont even know how to check that D:

[tacit tulip]

If none of them stack

that actually means bubble 2 doesn't buff bubble 17

haha

[bold quiver]

yeah

[noble sable]

They buff each other infinitely

[tacit tulip]

17 deosn't buff 2 so no circular logic there at least

[fathom lagoon]

So in reality this was a large discussion on the English language

[bold quiver]

If u go to a place where u have 2 different samples being exposed, each person can only get 1.
If 1 person gets both different samples, that would be considered double dipping by definition

[open mountain]

wrong

[bold quiver]

u can check cambridge dictionaryu if u want

[open mountain]

the right use would be if one person took from one sample, twice

[bold quiver]

there are more than 1 usage of terms for many things tho

it depends on which field u are refering to

[open mountain]

im not gonna argue the etymology of the term double dipping with you

[bold quiver]

if u think about lava's coding capabilities, it might be that bubble 2 doesnt hit bubble 17th

[open mountain]

very possible honestly

[bold quiver]

[tacit tulip]

man this took way too long

[bold quiver]

completing all cards to 6 star?

[tacit tulip]

yeah

[bold quiver]

nice

[tacit tulip]

just for something to do while waiting for w6

[bold quiver]

good luck with this one

[sacred verge]

200 gs

[bold quiver]

[tacit tulip]

that's what my active char is working on

afking greenstacks isn't gonna happen very fast - may as well do cards 😄

[bold quiver]

indeed

oh man, i barely got 6* resources cards

[sacred verge]

afk chars do div for 17+ arctis

[bold quiver]

do people get 10M of the W5 bullet?

[sacred verge]

no idea, seems like a shitload of work

[bold quiver]

ive been getting that fire thing for a while

its 5B of that thing

[ornate zinc]

uhm guys does anyone know why my bowman has the attacks of my es

[tacit tulip]

I would love to see a screenshot of that lmao

You used to see it cross class (like a bubo having ES skills) but was fixed

[ornate zinc]

im confused

[bold quiver]

never produce evidence against yourself!

[tacit tulip]

Never seen it in the way you're describing

[granite grove]

its not illegal if you arent caught

[bold quiver]

its not illegal if u dont know that its illegal also

[ornate zinc]

how do i fix it

[granite grove]

that too

[ornate zinc]

i dont want to cheat

[bold quiver]

have u tried cloudsaving?

[sacred verge]

i think we need to start a new huge discussion about thw word "illegal" now

[elfin idol]

Respec

[ornate zinc]

sure ill try

[bold quiver]

oh, sorry to point this out to you but.......... too late

[granite grove]

or maybe just remove the talent out from the bar?

[tacit tulip]

Is it a recent change? Try cloudsaving
Are your talent tabs showing mage stuff too?
If not you can just remove the skills from your bar

[granite grove]

you cant put talent back if there's nothing in the class skill tab

[bold quiver]

u have 3 attack bars, now u can use all of them

[teal lynx]

#bug-reports-🐛 message
There is this Siegebreaker that had Journeyman skills. So seems to happen as of lately

[ornate zinc]

it jsut hapend while i was resetting all my talent points

[tacit tulip]

yeah prolly just a bug then

[sacred verge]

recently there was also an ES with bubo skilss

[tacit tulip]

drag the skills off and you'll be fine

[bold quiver]

dont worry about it, there are only a small amount of things u can do that will shadowban u

[sacred verge]

so seems to be happening quite a bit

[ornate zinc]

done i think

[bold quiver]

so report and keep playing the game as it is i guess

[sacred verge]

how does ppl even get shadowbanned?

is there some automatic trigger for it?

[bold quiver]

if u reach 100k stats u get shadowbanned

[granite grove]

by system after you reach the threshold or manual lava reset

[tacit tulip]

back in w4 5k account level would shadowban you too

[bold quiver]

iirc if u log with the same account in multiple devices

[granite grove]

tho imo lava should remove stat and lv threshold

stat can be easily get through addiction hourly click, lv is now easy with holy pearls gained from killroy

[sacred verge]

it just sounds stupid if u ask me

[bold quiver]

he doesnt p´lay the game so its possible that he doesnt know that people can get 100k stats with candy now

cuz it would be impossible to get 100k stats with hourly clicks

that might be the logic behind it

[tacit tulip]

you'd be looking at about 40k clicks to hit the ban

[bold quiver]

yeah its not even a lot kkkkkkkkkk

[tight saddle]

1b oak sample stat reference nobody asked for:

Bubbles:

- Stable jenius: 1454
- Mage is best: 1093
- Hocus choppus: 517
- Molto loggo: 220
- Le brain tools: 401
- Severapurple: 385
- Tree sleeper: 466
- Slable wisdom: 165

Vials:

- Spanish sahara: maxed
- Snow slurry: maxed
- Pearl seltzer: 2

Sigils:

- Odd literature: max
- Emoji veggie: 1 lvl
- Dream catcher: 1 lvl

Equipment:

- Magma hat
- Magma chest
- Magma legs
- Fiberous footings

- Divine scarf
- 2x Emperor's opal (for mana snapshot)
- 2x Serrated rex (for eff)
- Idle skiller trophy
- Angel wings
- Summer shovel nametag
- Equinox ring
- 2x donut keychain
    - 6% wis + 1.5% skill speed
    - 4% wis + 1.5% skill speed
- Gifmas snoozy premium hat
- All dreadlo tools
    - 62 WIS on hatchet

Food:

- 185k golden grilled cheese
- Saucy logs

Statues:

- Feasty: 190
- Lumberbob: 199

Stamps:

- Book: 46
- Manamoar: 60
- Arcane: 51
- Stat graph: 67
- Intellecto: 119
- Stat wallstreet: 50

- Duplogs: 60
- Swag wingy: 200
- Stample: 80
- Amplestample: 44
- Multitool: 150

Cards:

- Amarok (5*)
- Bunny (4*)
- Blighted Chizoar (5*)
- Tremor Wurm (4*)
- Stilted Seeker (5*)
- Chocco box (5*)
- Chaotic troll (5*)

- Set: Easy Resources, 66/78, +40% eff

Lab:

- All orange chips (4 pcs)
- Skilling afk (1 pcs)
- Both card chips (2 pcs)

Post office:

- All boxes (-myriad) maxed
- Myriad: 51561

Obols:

- 2x golden chopping
- All platinum WIS
- Dead divine

- Family obols I kept at drop rate, maybe some WIS there

Cooking:

- Corn: 54
- Riceball: 50
- Leek: 49
- Whipped cocoa: 46

Shinies:

- Red mushroom: 7
- Carrot: 4
- Frog: 4
- Mashed potato: 6
- Moonmoon: 4
- Sand giant: 4
- Sheepie: 6
- Bop box: 5
- Stilted seeker: 5

-- Enough infinite star signs from shinies to have them all

Rift:

- All current rifts done
- 43 Mastered vials
- Skill masteries from left to right, top to bottom
    - 821, 833, 766, 545, 1270, 1113, 1365, 3529, 720, 1048, 828, 743, 907, 1504, 2170

Sailing:

- All relevant artifacts ANCIENT

Misc:

- Level 295 right hand of action on mman
- Sampling done with Bubonic Conjuror (all relevant talents at lvl 245)
- Chopping level: 102
- All relevant prayers maxed

-- This got me just about to 1b oak log sample with mana snapshot

[tacit tulip]

actually just 40k bubble, so more like 20k clicks

Which would be 800 days of nonstop hourly clicks

but with omni and candy you can greatly reduce that

[bold quiver]

its something i can totaly see anyone actualy doing it lol, Someone with a bunch of candies sitting around that got bored would totaly say "oh, 100k stats would be nice, let me use some candies" and bam ban

[sacred verge]

if i was bored i higly doubt the solution would be 40k bubble click

but hey, everyone is different

[elfin idol]

I just used around 3k arcade balls and still no stamp

[keen elbow]

Damn another person with funi skill bar

I had ES skills on my mman once

[bold quiver]

try adding 2 zeros there

[keen elbow]

...then i reset the wrong talent preset and it's all gone

[tacit tulip]

Christ now that you guys mention it. bubo Vman with crystal build would be hilarious

[bold quiver]

oh shit imagine

[tacit tulip]

DK vman too

[keen elbow]

dk vman speedrun LOL

[ornate zinc]

wait

[sacred verge]

bubo with orb is what i want

[keen elbow]

fr

[ornate zinc]

now im curious

[bold quiver]

Class that can use all talents when

[ornate zinc]

would it be possible

[keen elbow]

highest orb lezgo

[ornate zinc]

to speedrun

[keen elbow]

But yeah when that happened, apparently my mman also got the same stats as my es

[tacit tulip]

wouldn't work - bubo tenteye would make you constantly recast orb

[elfin idol]

You dont have to press enter between every 2 words

[sacred verge]

true

[keen elbow]

wis increases dmg on mman, way higher dmg than a beginner class should have

[sacred verge]

could manually cast orb tho

[granite grove]

bubo mman print would be nasty tho

[bold quiver]

lava fix auto casting on buff to only happen when effect is over!

does he actualy know that that is a problem?

i doubt he does to be honest

[keen elbow]

Probably not

[open mountain]

isnt he the dev? like the sole dev?

[keen elbow]

It doesn't happen with sb flag soooo

[bold quiver]

i remember when i played IS, we would be telling about some hardcore game mechanics, lava would hop on the chat more often and would be like " oh, is that true?

lava things

[open mountain]

💀

does he not know how his game works or whats going on

[bold quiver]

he knows the basic stuff

[tight saddle]

I mean it's coded with quite literal lego blocks

[granite grove]

lava hardly plays the game based on his past TD plays

[tight saddle]

That's the ugly truth about developing a game of your own :/ No matter how good the game is or how much you enjoy idle games as a developer, at some point it will become more or less a chore to develop the game, let alone play it yourself

[vagrant mountain]

orb only recasts with 5s left on duration so bubo with orb would work

[weak vector]

gm all

[vagrant mountain]

gm tony

[weak vector]

are you guys talking about multiclassing again?

[vagrant mountain]

of course

[weak vector]

nobody has mentioned BM + bubo for shiny pets 😂

[elfin idol]

missing pet levels for completness?

[sweet pine]

bubo with printer go brrr

[weak vector]

the dark horse

[vagrant mountain]

just deck out bubo with whale wallop, orb, c'mon out crystals, and gimme gimme

and printer true

[open mountain]

just make the "everything" class at that point haha

[vagrant mountain]

w6 companion

[tight saddle]

Good call, I'll add them

[sacred verge]

companion batch 2, "all skills for every class"

[open mountain]

please no more companions

[sacred verge]

sounds like a great addition to the game

[keen elbow]

1 tier above doot

Takes 500 rolls for pity

[elfin idol]

Appreciate it, I match pretty much everything except iddle skilling trophy which is next week

[sacred verge]

500 rolls ? that nothing

make it 1000

[keen elbow]

True!

[sacred verge]

need a clean number

[keen elbow]

Make it unpitiable at that point am i right?

[sacred verge]

or maybe 999, so it appeals more to the people

[ornate zinc]

i cant even get the sandy pot companion :(

[keen elbow]

No pity, 0.1% chance

[elfin idol]

recipe flashbacks

[sacred verge]

if something like that happened i think it would be over for the game

[keen elbow]

It would yes

That's what almost happened to gachas a few years back LOL

Before pity system existed

[sacred verge]

i higly doubt any endgame / experienced player would stick around for a new cashgrab

[ornate zinc]

reminds me i can roll my free companion soon

[keen elbow]

Granblue Fantasy released an op char, but made her so low chance that it;s pretty much only if your account is seeded or you're rngesus himself, some stupid low chance

[vagrant mountain]

most of em already left with doot

[keen elbow]

And then people dug into the game codes

[sacred verge]

yeah but the ones left

[vagrant mountain]

just reroll your account

[sacred verge]

id doubt id stick around for a new doot unless there is a farmable way to get green gems

[ornate zinc]

4 more hours :(

[keen elbow]

Figured out that there was no "rates", just that 95% of the playerbase had literally 0 way to roll her, like she didn't exist in the roll table 💀

[vagrant mountain]

there used to be a doot rerolling guide in tips n tricks but it got taken down

[keen elbow]

The other 5% were the lucky ones that didn't end up being gated by the stupid moneygrab move

Then the code digger took the case to court

[vagrant mountain]

that's actually criminal

[keen elbow]

And won a few grands

[vagrant mountain]

nice

[keen elbow]

And the pity system was born

[vagrant mountain]

kek

[keen elbow]

Ancient story of pity systems 🧘

All because one guy was in love with a png

And people still call us nerds and weirdos!

[vagrant mountain]

lol I've spent my fair share on gachas

bless the pity system

[sacred verge]

gachas is just a sad sad system

[keen elbow]

monkeygate gbf is a whole ass fucking drama

[vagrant mountain]

but at the same time fk gachas xD

[keen elbow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/go2dfu/mobile_games_monkeygate_or_how_a_lone_browser/

[sacred verge]

i miss the days where you payed once for a game and that it

[ornate zinc]

it can be good depending on how its done ig

[keen elbow]

Man i love my gachas, I work enough to spend on them once in awhile, guilty pleasure, nothing more nothing less

[sacred verge]

nowdays you cant fucking do anything withpout gacha

[open mountain]

been having alot of fun with indie titles recently, most of them work like that

[sweet pine]

and a box with a disc in it

[bold quiver]

better than spending on junk food or drugs!

we gacha on waifus and husbandos, lets go

[keen elbow]

Preach that 💪

[vagrant mountain]

I felt that way too until I did some google purchase history math and realized I spent over $20k 😂

[open mountain]

Triple A studios to me just seems like Triple Dipping into the consumers wallet

[sacred verge]

its almost hard to argue gacha is better than drugs

[sweet pine]

now, you pay and game added to your account, but still there's chance that you gonna lose everything

[sacred verge]

its is a freakin drug for many

[weak vector]

i like dlc but i would rather wait 2 additional years for a full game

[keen elbow]

That's where self control comes in imo

[bold quiver]

fate grand order players will agree to that

[keen elbow]

Cuz I've played gachas for years. I've seen both sides, people who spend casually like me, max around 50 bucks a month on a good month

[bold quiver]

u dont need self control if u always spending everything u have left after paying oyur monthly bills!

[keen elbow]

And i've seen people spending thousands on every character release

[vagrant mountain]

ydcb

[sacred verge]

im not one to spend alot on gacha stuff but it adds up even if its small amount here and there

also takes the joy out of alot of games

[ornate zinc]

me watching ytbers spend about 10K just for a fictional girl that will likely be forgotten next update

[keen elbow]

I guess it's just different viewpoint

[bold quiver]

true, i was sad that i didnt have enough money to max all genshin 5* charactres on release with their weapons

[vagrant mountain]

everyone has a different amount of disposable income

[keen elbow]

I make enough to support myself and my daughter, and have spare to spend on hobbies and still save for future

[open mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/pop-gif-26588103

[keen elbow]

Might as well spend the extra i have on my hobbies, which i don't have many of

[tight saddle]

Edited. I also added relevant vials, sigils and rift stuff

[sacred verge]

gacha also makes the buyer "worse off" than before they get it most often as you dont get what you wanted or wished for

[bold quiver]

never understood why spending money on games is considered bad lol. Some people avoid spending even 5$ cuz they thing they are being robbed. But those same people would spend 100$ in alcohol or whatever random thing they found

all about mindset

[sacred verge]

im not saying its bad to spend money on games, by all means spend on games

im saying i dont like the gacha system or similar systems

[keen elbow]

Yeah it depends on the person

[bold quiver]

oh yeah, was just refering to spending money on games in general

its not well seen by society

[sacred verge]

in my opinion its much better when theres packs with promised loot

[weak vector]

idleon battle pass

[keen elbow]

True, it all boils downt o that mindset that games are bad

[sacred verge]

also usually saves the buyer money

[keen elbow]

But alcohol is good for socializing! (no)

[sacred verge]

id rather have a battlepass with say companions that a casino to get them

[weak vector]

i mean, i use alcohol recreationally bc making cocktails is a hobby of mine

gah, saying "use alcohol recreationally" sounds so wrong

[keen elbow]

Yeah like that's fine, cuz it's your hobby

[bold quiver]

same people that sya that games are bad, are the same people that say in the couch doing nothing in their free time kkkkkkkk or have some troubling bad habits

[weak vector]

anyway yeah it's an addiction for some people

[sacred verge]

games are great, however its not great when the safespace of games turns into online casinos

[keen elbow]

If you're saying you buy alcohols cuz making cocktails is your hobby, isn't that similar to saying i spend money on gachas cuz it's the only few games i can play with my limited time as a hobby?

And it'd be similar for the other case too, someone buys alcohol cuz theyre addicted and its bad for them, same as someone spending thousands cuz they're in love with a png and its bad for them

[keen elbow]

LOL

[sweet pine]

i watched this topic from beginning, now i know doot and alcohol is connected

[bold quiver]

why isnt anyone saying anything about sugar addiction!

[keen elbow]

(nice laugh btw i love your people)

[bold quiver]

ehehe thanks,, brazilians are very sociable

[keen elbow]

"Cuz it's just food and completely harmless and is delicious" No you sick fuck, sugar kills more people than doom guy ever did

[bold quiver]

yeaah D:

[sacred verge]

sugar is bad, but it dosent change tha fact that gacha is bad aswell 😛

[weak vector]

all i was saying is mediation really haha. I do it because I can control how much I buy and when I use it

[bold quiver]

gacha is life!

[ornate zinc]

how did we get to this topic

[sweet pine]

idk

doot is as bad as alcohols

that's it

[keen elbow]

Exactly!

Self control kids

[bold quiver]

self control!

[paper sail]

Same boring ass conversation being rehashed daily since Doot

[keen elbow]

Doot is bad too!

[bold quiver]

cry in your bed when u didnt get your waifu, but dont expend that extra dollar that u cant afford

[sacred verge]

doot is not the worst gacha

atleast it stops when you get him

[bold quiver]

next doot when

[sacred verge]

other games have endless loops of gacha

[ornate zinc]

level up to 2 star!!

[keen elbow]

Watch as lava release more companions

[weak vector]

yeah i don't think he will end up doing that

[sweet pine]

luckier doot

[keen elbow]

Or make a level system for companions so you need to roll multiple

[sacred verge]

also doot will be "meta" allways. other games you need to spend money for something that might go out of meta in a week

[weak vector]

we all fear he will release new companions but I think he knows how much it'll disrupt

[bold quiver]

worst of gacha games (most of them) is that they have a huge paywall, so if u dont get the new batch of characters u actualy cant even progress in the game anymore

[weak vector]

guess i'm glad i never played genshin

[keen elbow]

Also a bunch of shitty moneygrab gachas now

[bold quiver]

genshin has an amazing storytelling, its worth

[keen elbow]

No real storyline or gameplay, just copy paste the same shit from otherbigger games

Just go all in on the graphics and character designs (ahem boobs) and grab people's money, easy

[bold quiver]

boobs gacha is on demand these last few months, damn

[ornate zinc]

im hesitating between spending like 200 hours on w5 to get to the boss or focussing on atoms and wait with w5 :(

[keen elbow]

That's why the big ones are, well, big. Cohesive story and gameplay and not just someone hitting ctrl c ctrl v

[bold quiver]

i dont know how both are related tho, u can push to W5 with barbarian offline nobisect, and work on active ES for acc progression

• you are welcome

[granite grove]

p2w shifting meta kinda terrible, imagine investing a lot for it to go out of season in the next month

or rather... its just p2w and powercreep

[keen elbow]

Forever been, better than the age of armpits...

[sacred verge]

the fact that mobile games is the biggest earner in gaming just goes to show how crazy gacha is

[bold quiver]

tower of fantasy in a nutshell cof cof

[granite grove]

isnt it "always" in demand?

[bold quiver]

indeed, but the last few "popular" gachas i've seen popping are being very very explicit on that content

[weak vector]

Just want to say that some people in this discord have addictions - gacha gambling included - and to know that you are loved

[keen elbow]

I feel like that's something some people don't get? I'm a top player in gbf (well depends on how you define top) but even if you don't have current meta, you just play for longer time than others with the prev meta/weaker team and you can be just as good

That applies to any games tbf

If you don't have the meta, just play more, you'll end up being slightly behind or up par with the meta, unless the game is really shit and the gap is stupid, then just quit lol

[bold quiver]

u are not wrong,u might not be as strong as spending players, but with time u can have a very strong acc

[granite grove]

while true that offmeta is still strong, its sad that it just get slowly powercrept with each new addition

[ornate zinc]

gachas with in game currency

that dont require credit card

[keen elbow]

Mentality brother, stop wasting time thinking you don't have meta

🧠

[bold quiver]

yeah but u will overcome that powercreep with time, until the cycle repeats

[keen elbow]

Gbf has an event every like 3-4 months where it's basically have meta team or play 17hrs non stop to be in top2000 or smth.

[bold quiver]

just never do the dumb thing of trying to be a top 10-50 player but not spending in that universe

enjoy and be as strong as u can

[ornate zinc]

i remmeber finally getting the meta in a game. only for it to become useless next update

[keen elbow]

Hi that's me 😄

[ornate zinc]

like. the only good stuff was things from new update

[keen elbow]

I spend like $30 a month max in gbf, still top100 in most events, like i said, play more than most people and meta won't matter as much

Well, up to a certain point that is

[bold quiver]

oh yeah definetly, time will always be f2p players ally - or small spenders

[keen elbow]

Did that with fgo too when i played it for a bit

I sure love idleon!

[paper sail]

Hey, let's take this completely non-idleon, non-w5 out of this channel already.

[misty cipher]

Can this give exp to the people who is linked to the lab god? or will it just waste it the exp?

[bold quiver]

best thing about idleon is that wth 0 money spend (need autoloot), u can get insanely strong

[keen elbow]

True

[weak vector]

@paper sail what cooking eff does your BB have

[keen elbow]

I'm tkaing a break from gbf and a friend recommended me idleon saying its chill and i wont have to look at it as much

[paper sail]

Yes, it can still give lab exp to others linked to bear

[keen elbow]

Which was a complete lie

[misty cipher]

awesome!

[keen elbow]

But hey atleast i'm having fun 🧘

[paper sail]

172m

[bold quiver]

activeon

[weak vector]

ty

[sweet pine]

should've asked his name

[bold quiver]

from my last playthroughs the game is very very idle (mostly offline gameplay) until u reach W5 grinding stages

[keen elbow]

true, activeon

[bold quiver]

then itspure hell 24/7 active to progress faster

[keen elbow]

I'm still very weak and trying to just catch up my account to a decent level

Thanks for the autoreview scoli, helps me a lot

Does suck to be called late w2 by it though but it's not completely wrong ig

Damned stamps

[paper sail]

The sad part is I've knocked down the requirements time and time again 😅 Can't let slackers off the hook forever

[weak vector]

idk it seems fair to me

[keen elbow]

Yeah it is fair

[weak vector]

like - 15 SChows for being beyond Late w5 is a good barrier. BB is hard to play so getting 1500m kills is a big milestone

[keen elbow]

Like the stuffs it pointed out made sense as to why I'm being classified as late w2 or whatever

Despite being a few maps off kruk on my main

[paper sail]

For sure. The game really switches once you get to the current highest world.

[keen elbow]

Speaking of which, apparently im not as bad anymore LOL

mid w3 now

[paper sail]

You can't just AFK for an hour or two at each portal with no multikill any longer. Starts taking weeks

[keen elbow]

Yep

My main ES is taking weeks to push

Which is fine cuz it gives me time to active on other chars that needs focusing

[paper sail]

Yeah. The focus switches from "character" to "account" kinda quietly

[keen elbow]

Yeah i was late in noticing and now the amount of catching up i have to do has been a bit daunting

[keen elbow]

But we hanging in there

[sweet pine]

i hope w6 dont choke me hard again, because i still have a lot of stuffs to do

[weak vector]

hmm i should take my points off idle casting and see how low this goes

[keen elbow]

??? 6%

LOL

[weak vector]

ruck sack lol

[paper sail]

I'm used to seeing 2%

[weak vector]

oh this was why

[paper sail]

And that's why I sit on the altar during character swaps lol

[weak vector]

done

[sweet pine]

can afk gains go below 0%?

[weak vector]

lmao could you imagine

[sweet pine]

idk, everything is possible with this game

[paper sail]

In the presence of the One Percent

[weak vector]

maybe without infinite star signs you could get to 0%

[sacred verge]

how is it possible to get 1% afk gain? lol

[true oasis]

!!!!?!?!??????

[bold quiver]

how is it possible 1%

[true oasis]

Prayer?

[paper sail]

Yeah, Rucksack

[bold quiver]

wowo 88,5% thats a lot

[weak vector]

that's multi too

[sacred verge]

sounds like a very low afk gain to begin with tho

[weak vector]

err, actually i think it's multi but idk

[paper sail]

Eh, I can drop from 370 to 2%

It isn't unheard of

[sacred verge]

damn

[bold quiver]

could be

[true oasis]

Am close to hitting 200% fighting afk

[sacred verge]

this just means we need more afk % sources

[sweet pine]

5914 mobs die with 1% percent of power

[weak vector]

meanwhile this is my SB and he's not even at 300%

[pearl cedar]

Can you even hit 2% now with infinite star signs. Used to be able to hit 1%

[glacial venture]

no gmush or why money so low?

[paper sail]

I can't seem to hit 1, but I can get to 2

[weak vector]

oh i should mention i don't have the hydron afk starts inifinite

i don't remember if you can get those yet or not, but i assume you can

[sick sentinel]

You can have all starsigns infinite

[sweet pine]

should i push this to 500? or 2.3x is good enough?

[pearl cedar]

Even ones not released

[pearl cedar]

Push forever

[sweet pine]

my atoms

[paper sail]

Print void

[sick sentinel]

Check out the max alchemy bubbles doc in #1084911530417606656 and you can play with the %effectiveness of a bubble. 90-95% are good starting goals through atoms

[paper sail]

I had mine hourly before sampling lost my gold relic. Now I am barely under, so click it every 2 hours instead

I am avoiding doing the math to see how long until my new output breaks even

[frigid acorn]

[paper sail]

Aterh better be the Vman

[frigid acorn]

Then i can finally start doing critter vial

[paper sail]

I did the math
Output worse for 9 days, even on day 10, then profit from there. Better than I feared

[sick sentinel]

Bet you could never guess what platform I've been on for a couple weeks

[paper sail]

Most negative EXP leaderboard coming

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-the-rock-rock-go-rock-lets-go-lg-gif-18455293

[prisma drift]

What causes the negative xp?

Is it a specific platform?

[proud pumice]

soon

[prisma drift]

I swap iOS and steam but haven’t encountered it yet

[sick sentinel]

Mobile overflow shiz

[prisma drift]

Ah so don’t claim traps on mobile

[sick sentinel]

Yuuhh

[prisma drift]

Ty sir

I’ve mostly migrated to steam now

Just do Po and gaming on mobile

[paper sail]

Just use those 5day 0exp Wooden Traps, ez

[sick sentinel]

I swapped to only critters too late xd

That's what I just did lol

[weak vector]

25m worm slices to go

[paper sail]

They're the most critter efficient trap if you don't care about exp or cards, and let Rift claim for you

[prisma drift]

Interesting

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I saw ur breakdown the other day it was interesting

[prisma drift]

Yeah I’m doing critter vials rn

[tacit tulip]

hmm same, maybe need to consider that

[prisma drift]

They are my last doable vials

Any link to the breakdown?

[paper sail]

Exp only really matters if you're on Blobfish anyway

[paper sail]

It is on my tool's spreadsheet in the Trapping tab still, I believe

Not at my PC to double check

[prisma drift]

Ah okay cool thank you

If not you already said what’s best so I don’t need to read it

Was just curious on the breakdown itself haha

[vernal depot]

My BB does 10x less damage and I was able to clear it. Basically you can kill the moles by running left and right and killing them with the auto attacks, in a certain rythm you can keep them at bay. When you cleared enough, you attack Kattlecruk. Rinse and repeat until he dies. I also maxed the mana post office thing, so my spells get lower cooldowns.

[paper sail]

It had some surprising results on it tbh. Was glad I looked at it

[prisma drift]

Yeah i always assumed lower hours is better and I don’t even think I was using wooden traps

So I think my ability to read may be low as well

[paper sail]

Well this was specifically for lazy Rift-only collects

[weak vector]

i'm pretty tempted to go vial level 8 poison frogs soon

[paper sail]

Manual claiming 20min or 1hr is still better

[prisma drift]

But 5 day beats lower amount still?

I usually let rift claim

[tacit tulip]

it had a notable effect on my critter gains tbf

[prisma drift]

Y’all doing 20M claims?

[tacit tulip]

I did 20min froges while levelling my BM to 500

[weak vector]

i did 20m claims to get 1b frogs

currently doing 10hr geese cuz i'm lazy

oh i just had a thought- do people disable atom collider and get 10b oak logs before sampling for more efficiency?

ik it's not really necessary but jw

[tacit tulip]

It'll atom them anyway

but some people do use 10 stacks in storage for the same effect

[weak vector]

hmm

[paper sail]

Having more than 1 stack is the way to do it

[tacit tulip]

It's worth noting the log skills work with partials too

[paper sail]

Manual process to split, then drag to new spot

[tacit tulip]

so 3 stacks is 50% of a buff still

If you don't have the space, you can use less slots and get most of the bonus

[paper sail]

Ain't math grand?

[weak vector]

don't worry, scoli's review bot nagged me until i bought more storage space

[paper sail]

Btw, speaking of: I found out that the Slab bubbles don't give credit for partial hundreds.

Going from 1301-1399 slab is no bonus, 1400 is a bonus.

[paper mist]

i never thought about using DK orb on weekly bosses before Griffys most recent video, but then i did and damn

[weak vector]

i've still yet to get king of foods trophy