lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[clear quartz]

915 vls of it

[fathom lagoon]

That’s weird how do you of all people not have that lol

[rough wasp]

never done

[signal osprey]

Because I'm bad

[fathom lagoon]

Lie again

[signal osprey]

I am though

[clear quartz]

eggplant sigil and skill afk% probably my next goals, hmm

and should probably start pumping shimmeron with my atoms here soon

errr maybe finish getting slabe wis to 90% first, then that

[vagrant mountain]

this is what im clicking

gonna switch goldfish for plat when i get 38%

and gonna stop cooking roadkill at 4120 for 118%

[clear quartz]

oh plat is a goodie

need to pump up my talent lvls on bb soon, should have bubo finished up then might top off all the dk stuff ive missed which i think is minimal

[vagrant mountain]

game needs more linear bubbles

only linear bubble im missing is cogs for hands

[barren otter]

just click the hard capped ones anyways

[vagrant mountain]

im tryna trim some of my clicks to max fluoride

then when fluoride is maxed, a lot of my clicks will be hourly instead of bihourly

[barren otter]

just get higher prints

how much excess are you printing with clicks

[vagrant mountain]

i think it was 4-5k before, but i already trimmed off alien logs and jungle logs so 8.6k now

[barren otter]

thats not that bad

[vagrant mountain]

nah where im at is decent, i think i got 1.5m atoms today but got a lot of 3D printer procs

[barren otter]

i was at that 5k ish extra before i sampled a few weeks ago

10k ish now from just the sample inc

[livid raft]

someone needs to PM me everything to get better prints.. mine are garbage 😦

[barren otter]

i need that max gold skull

[livid raft]

My best is still only 154m on oak logs

[vagrant mountain]

thats enough to start hourly clicking

just level up every bubble that helps skilling

[livid raft]

wdym?

[sick sentinel]

any of the bubbles in a cauldron that refer to skilling, pump those up

and then the bubbles that multi those

go crazy on stamps

profit

[livid raft]

there are none of those that require oak though is there?

[sick sentinel]

u got atoms right?

[sick sentinel]

slowly work your way up to better prints

[livid raft]

Ive been using my atoms on that daily actually.. because my int one is already at 2K so trying to get str up there now for better copper samples

[sick sentinel]

stuff like this is what you want to focus, there are more but just an example

[livid raft]

working on this one to atoms.. taking forever thou

[barren otter]

pump that sucker up

[vagrant mountain]

use your atoms on bubbles 2s to 900, if you cant afford later bubble atoms

[magic fjord]

Stupid question... what's "hourly clicking"?

[sick sentinel]

print 1b on some resource per printer proc, then click that bubble

[magic fjord]

Ahh... yeah. I'm not there. lol

[clever tundra]

4 hours later...

[sick sentinel]

make sure you use 90% off tags

[vagrant mountain]

bargain tags op early game

you can level up hocus pocus right now with bargain tag

[livid raft]

yea I just pushed it up one more time

I forget about tags 😒

[sick sentinel]

byebye nails lol

time to candy some sb!

[livid raft]

yep they gone already lol

[vagrant mountain]

i used by bargain tags religiously until i couldnt use them anymore

[obtuse rover]

And use the class that matches the cauldron colour (except yellow) for a discount

[livid raft]

why candy sb?

[sick sentinel]

faster anvil production

[obtuse rover]

Archers are very good at making anvil materials (and they'll also get forge progress if they're killing things)

[livid raft]

yea I thought they just got forge progress..

[sick sentinel]

candies give anvil and worshiip prog too

forge is sb specific tho

[livid raft]

oh is it because of this?

[obtuse rover]

They have multiple talents that speed up anvil production

[paper sail]

Archer specific

[sick sentinel]

previous classes dont exist anymore

[obtuse rover]

They also have a talent that gives a bunch of free points that you can put into speed.

[sick sentinel]

bm isnt real

[obtuse rover]

Haven't you heard? BM active is the newest, hottest thing.

[sick sentinel]

shiny prog

[stoic silo]

is it worth going w4 collo? are there any unique rewards to be gained?

[livid raft]

which reset resets anvil? I need to reset it .. been a long while like 6+ months probably lol

[obtuse rover]

W3 shop, bottom of the list

[sick sentinel]

yeah the whetstone

[sick sentinel]

great for eggs, ladles are ok, good for boss keys

[livid raft]

oh thats why I dont have those no more.. I stacked them to like 20~ and used them all at once not realizing I would 😒

Not great.. guess time to level him up and get moar speed.. MOAR

[sick sentinel]

dont forget to claim your nails between however many candies! i like to forget to do that after i click too many sometimes

[livid raft]

well if my math is right I only make 15K nails/hr 😒 that's gonna take awhile. X3 means 45K/hr but still pretty bad

[paper sail]

I use my candy FROM the codex/anvil menu, so I have to be extra unaware to not deposit first

[sick sentinel]

each time? damn are you zoomin or something?

or is that more recently i guess

[clear quartz]

i need to do some hard sb pushin, and sit him on gmush or somethin

[sick sentinel]

i have been setting my guy to produce later items so i can use more at a time

[paper sail]

Thread I had to do every candy, yeah

[sick sentinel]

gotcha

[sick sentinel]

thats where mine lives too

[paper sail]

Home

[clear quartz]

mine is still pushing eclipses in w5

[sick sentinel]

ye thats a grind

i did my eclipses backwards lol. did w1 and 2 then afkd w5 lol

then back to w4/3

[mortal stratus]

Hey everyone

There is a glitch in my account

[clear quartz]

i still need to finish w1, think i got up to carrots and paused

[mortal stratus]

I have been doing afk for 89+ hour but after entering in that player it shows that you have only afk for 10 h

And it is in every character

[stoic silo]

you probably have a prayer

[obtuse rover]

You have a prayer equipped that limits the afk time to 10h.

[stoic silo]

that limits max afk time to 10h

[mortal stratus]

Oh

[clear quartz]

been lazy and just pumping bubo for awhile

rip

[mortal stratus]

So thats the problem

[clear quartz]

all those afk loss

[mortal stratus]

Oh shit

[sick sentinel]

yeah this guy

[mortal stratus]

I have lost my 10 days afk

I had think

That I have to afk max 10 h

[sick sentinel]

oops, wont make that mistake again!

[mortal stratus]

I am going to remove it right now

[stoic silo]

that's 3 days loss from ~90 hrs

[mortal stratus]

And there's one problem also

In the goldric npc last quest

I can't complete it

[stoic silo]

how so?

[mortal stratus]

Bcz whenever I take the quest on the sheepies are shown in codex that they are already damaged

[paper sail]

Do you have the Sheepie companion following you?

[granite grove]

change pet to anything thats not a sheep

[sick sentinel]

is that a thing lmao

[mortal stratus]

Yes

[granite grove]

yes, lava's spaghetti code

[paper sail]

[stoic silo]

lmao lava spaghetti moment

[obtuse rover]

That's incredibly funny

[sick sentinel]

yeah like wtf

[granite grove]

it prob detects sheep sprite rather than actual entity

[mortal stratus]

So I have to change the pet

[paper sail]

Just for the quest, yes

[sick sentinel]

i also like how some quests didnt (dont?) work on the other language versions

[obtuse rover]

Or maybe companions are an actual mob entity that is set to behave differently.
That'd be far funnier, in case we ever found a silly interaction that accidentally causes our companion pets to "die"
Doot owners would stay winning, if that ever happened.

[sick sentinel]

companion loot nice

[mortal stratus]

Hey can anyone tell me what should I do get my best wave in the snow tower

[sick sentinel]

upgrade your towers in construction and also look up a guide on youtube for some layout suggestions

[obtuse rover]

The more recent guides for TD can be found if you enter this search string into the discord's search. You'll need access to the end-game channel.
from: pancakex. guide in: endgame-talk

Your account might not be far enough to take advantage of the guides yet, though.

[paper sail]

Could be worse

[stoic silo]

could be a lot worse

[mortal stratus]

What is your best wave at gem spike game

[true obsidian]

does anyone know which map in w5 bubo can active?

except wurm

[obtuse rover]

Citringe

[true obsidian]

i'm at bored time in the game now, just constantly active, so i would like to do both esclipe and upgrade cauldron now for saving time

[paper sail]

Citringes and Moltis are both okay, but worse than Wurms

[true obsidian]

yea, i'll do it. I've try farming from wurm -> crawler but craler just a bad map

[paper sail]

Yup. Crawlers are real rough for activing

Shit. Gotta use 2hr candies and resync

That actually would probably round to 666.67 😦

[magic fjord]

What site is that?

[paper sail]

Mine http://ieautoreview-scoli.pythonanywhere.com/

[proud pumice]

damn you're already recommending to get w7 bubbles

[paper sail]

I really wouldn't say "There isn't a strict reward for unlocking future world's bubbles early, but you can do it if you want :)" is a recommendation 🤣

[obtuse rover]

Could drop any day, now.

[magic fjord]

Hmm... how do I upload my account publicly?

[proud pumice]

if it is written anything but Nada. You best! it's a recommendation

[paper sail]

I should add a link to the upload page there 🤔 I'll do that tomorrow lol

[manic moat]

Is there a set up for frosty firefight somewhere?

[sick sentinel]

there is the equinox build in #1084925174517866496 message
or check out youtube for a setup. i may have the old pancake one saved too

[manic moat]

👀 is says I don't have access to the td part

[sick sentinel]

#👀read-me react with

Older one

[fathom lagoon]

5500 w5 statues left

[undone steeple]

lmao suddently my nugget was very small turns out i got a new one

no more 666

[sinful aurora]

am i imagining this or does the construction statue... do nothing?

i just onyxed it and... no change

[paper sail]

It is verrrrrry smol

[sinful aurora]

that's mighty disappointing =/

[azure spindle]

I'm kind ok with that considering how annoying it is to farm

[untold lintel]

more annoying should = more useful imo

[obtuse rover]

But then you feel compelled to do annoying things because they're so beneficial.

Con trophies being good wouldn't be a big deal, but something like respawn snapshotting was a good example of something that is annoying but too good to pass-up and it just made it more annoying to do things "the best way"

[naive zodiac]

are my kills per hour fine

[paper sail]

About as many KPH as pixels

Up to you. In general, no, that is quite low, but if you're happy with the exp/money/loot you're getting, enjoy yourself.

[weak vector]

Remove that second prayer and get your accuracy up too. You’re probably not able to multikill that mob anyway but it’s generally an unnecessary prayer

[naive zodiac]

less without it

[scenic locust]

Is there any use for lucky lad trophies when you have a bunch of them?

[proud pumice]

luckier lad

[sick sentinel]

75 of em

[paper sail]

75 combine to make Luckier Lad. Recipe unlocked in Equinox

[scenic locust]

jeeeesus

[scenic locust]

where am I gonna store them all 😭

[proud pumice]

in your 10th char

[sick sentinel]

Lab/cooking rats

[paper sail]

Cook and labrats

Probably worth making at least 2, maybe more :c

[sick sentinel]

I think i'll eventually get a 3rd

[scenic locust]

HOLY CRAP, it has 50% drop chance

[paper sail]

I'm closing in on my third, haha

[sick sentinel]

I had them filtered for a week or so again, a bit behind now

[vapid cove]

somehow read it as lucifer lad lol

[scenic locust]

probably a better name tbh

[vapid cove]

now lava needs to make a new lucky lad and combine it with luckier lad

[proud pumice]

luckiest lad is coming soon

[magic gyro]

Putting all chars on divinity once you unlock w5 is kinda the worst. I wonder if I should free one character to do other types of farming just to switch it up?

[proud pumice]

yes

leaving one char outside for active farming is perfectly fine

[next locust]

Yeh absolutely active one

[proud pumice]

if you have doot you should get the active char to divinity lvl 2 before getting him out tho

[barren otter]

@signal osprey do you leave berries to evo off of chems or do you just click all non chems after sprinkler/log?

[next locust]

Much easier to get new chems if you pick the trash and make space for them

[barren otter]

well point being t5 berries gen the highest bits

[tender rampart]

What's the best method to farm monsters' cards(ruby)? Afk/Active wz ES or other class?

[next locust]

True, but chaining chems more effectively gets you much more plants in the long run and that gives you more bits in the end than simply waiting for evos

If you don't pick all (or at least most) the other plants you will run out of chems much sooner and the chain stops.

[barren otter]

keep in mind im not leaving them for extended periods of time

t1s turn into t5s instantly from my chems/good logs

so its a difference of do i click the t1 berry for 20B or leave it for after i click chems for 2.5T

[pearl pebble]

what is the highest value thing to craft on the IV tab?

[barren otter]

its the most minor of things but was wondering if contract had any personal experience if 1 or the other was better

[proud pumice]

anvil V tab

[pearl pebble]

lul

[next locust]

Active ES is the best for monster cards afaik.

[proud pumice]

anvil V material bags are a lot better than anvil 4, you don't want lustre/starfire armor, half of the tab IV stuff is pretty useless

[tender rampart]

Ok thanks!

[proud pumice]

the skilling gear, weapon gear and troll armor are most of the value of tab IV

[pearl pebble]

yea i see this magma armor, is pretty nice.

[obtuse rover]

Are you trying to gain smithing levels?
Make the coldseeker bullets.

Or do you just mean, "what single item on the tab will improve an account the most?"

[pearl pebble]

no but is smithing level important? i can do that later

[pearl pebble]

yea that

[next locust]

Yeah it's not that big of a deal if you can already sustain "infinite" chem chains. Then it might be net increase in bits overtime. Usually that extra fill of plants is considered more useful tho, as you get more chems and might get enough cacti to evolve those bushes anyway.

[proud pumice]

coldseeker bullets are also tab V

[obtuse rover]

It's pretty valuable to have high smithing level later in the game.

[obtuse rover]

True, my bad.

[pearl pebble]

alright ill just craft a bunch of those coldseeker later

[proud pumice]

just to prove how bad tab IV is

[barren otter]

yea getting chems is not an issue and cactus are useless for pushing t5s

sustaining chems*

[pearl pebble]

lustre armor is some shit, i made the boots for the skilling botos thats it. im working on troll rn

[obtuse rover]

Maybe the upgraded boots would count as some of the MVPs of tab 4, for their improvements to everyone's skilling/sampling.

[rich epoch]

if you're bad they even double as your other boots for the high base stats

(I'm bad)

[pearl pebble]

free companion time, king doot or alt f4

[rich epoch]

got my free slime today hope you're lucky

[pearl pebble]

aaaaaaaaand its a slime

[rich epoch]

LMFAO

[pearl pebble]

alt f4'd

[rich epoch]

It's slime day

[next locust]

Yeh I meant cactus just as a way to get some tiers for your other plants like those berry bushes. When you have the board filled with trash you can get high enough bits by strategical pick order and it's usually easy enough to get those better bit non chem plants to t3/4.

[snow light]

when i finally get a billion stack i should go and resample right? cause that is what i am going to do before i use it to upgrade the copper vial to max

[obtuse rover]

Ideally sample with at least 1b copper ore in your stash if you're capable of generating that much, so if it will take a long time for you to get 1b back then may as well sample before turning in the vial.
By the time you have 1b the first time, though, you hopefully have the capacity to generate another 1b much faster than the first billion took you so you'll hopefully be back in good shape before too long.

You could just put off maxing the vial for now though, if it's a big problem to replace the ore for you and if you don't have vial mastery or whatever unlocked from rift.
On its own, the effect of the copper ore vial isn't super, super important.

[vapid mural]

how can i upgrade pre helmet

[proud pumice]

this is a special helmet, it requires special upgrade stones

[vapid mural]

it not work

[proud pumice]

you get these upgrade stones from gem shop or arcade, maybe there are some more sources i'm not remembering

[snow light]

yeah i really wanted to just get it done because i know there is a limit to the amount of mats you can have in the chest and if it is just going to be atom'd anyways i wanna try to atom faster if you get what i mean

[vapid mural]

is that

[proud pumice]

need to be these premium stones

[proud pumice]

yes, but they aren't worth the gems, so your only viable source is praying for arcade

[vapid mural]

oke thank you ^^

[obtuse rover]

If you really want to save it, you could make a second storage space in your stash with copper and stack up an entirely new stack of 1050M. Just make sure the new, low stack is closer to the "front" of your stash and your prints will be deposited there.

[barren otter]

yea probably minimal diff at best

[snow light]

not a bad increase overall it would take me not too long to get that high agian and i am still leveling up the big bubbles in alchemy also thank you for the information i guess that is the best option for me because i am starting on the process of greenstacking bars as well

it would also be my first maxed vial so i kinda wanna get them out of the way so that i can prepare for vial mastery but i currently don't do enough dps to get there

[potent panther]

does kattlekruk damage u or sends enemies to damage you?

[obtuse rover]

Those are solid prints for hitting 1b again, especially if you start doing 6x prints on a warrior 👍

[snow light]

that is on my DK cause way back when there was the talk about DK being better for mining and BB is better to go for fishing cause fishing levels are abysmal

[proud pumice]

send enemies to heal him, so if you don't have the damage you're stucj there forever

[potent panther]

wat dmg do i need?

[snow light]

and i am currently farming statues for the onyx statues so i wont be in lab and this is with "suboptimal" gods i dont have snake i have goat on because when i sleep i just drop him in lab so he can hit that lvl 75 and get that last chip slot

[rich epoch]

if I made a spreadsheet to compare captains so you can decide what to keep and etc, would anyone be interested in it?

[proud pumice]

for normal somewhere between 10-100M, i don't remember exactly. Harder difficulties increase it by a lot tho

[potent panther]

what is the damage req for nightmare version

[signal osprey]

I never click a berry at less than T4 as thats guaranteed to hit after a single chem/log. Sometimes I keep until T5 if I have a lot of chems on board though so I'm not as worried about running low

[potent panther]

damn

[barren otter]

ok i have not been doing that

[proud pumice]

it has Q health, so problably in the T dmg

[signal osprey]

Berries are where the bits come from so thats gonna be what carries you to 90Q

[barren otter]

figured it would be worthwhile to let them evo since it gives so much more compared to every other bit

[signal osprey]

Chems are good for farming new nugs but they suck at getting your bits up

[barren otter]

lmao

im already back up to 10.5k nugs farmed since i hit the 113mil

[signal osprey]

Thats more than me and you got yours after I did lol

[barren otter]

yea dude...

been going at it hard

[signal osprey]

Shows how much I cant stand this shit skill

[barren otter]

down to 2hrs per 1Q...

so much fun

[signal osprey]

But I did break 50Q now

The end is getting closer

[barren otter]

i hit 455 fert tonight

then just straight 0>90Q farm from there...

[snow light]

i know trickz DR was 15.99 when he started his farm for statues is 13.3 good enough for right now? i have dice obol waiting to go into sparkle i just need the obol shards to fuse it

[signal osprey]

Back in my day we farmed beans on 12x DR

[dapper prism]

lol, just tabbed over here and first thing i see is my name 👀

[snow light]

noticed by the man the myth the legend himself

day could not get any better

[proud pumice]

i guess it depends on your crystal spawn chance and if you have chco chip

[snow light]

crystal spawn is like 1/38 last i checked and i do have choco chip

[dapper prism]

wasnt i like sub 30s in statue grind?

If you were comparing and wondering something

[dapper prism]

Oh nvm, not wondering why you were getting less*

but yeh, if you get a few K Powers an hour it's more than fine enough

As long as it isn't like the person the other day that got like 600ish powers in 3-4h

[proud pumice]

i did my w1-w2 with about the same crystal spawn chance and no choco

but it took me a long time, i was using that to get started on PO boxes too

[snow light]

lemme measure my hour and as long as i about ~425 an hour i think i can live with that much

[dapper prism]

425 would sounds pretty low with such a similar crystal + dr rate

Guess talent lvl will make a difference too

[snow light]

well i dont expect to have perma uptime on orb and other skills currently all my books are kinda going to bubo to max his skills to start crainium cooking so i can catch up in alchemy terms since i am so far behind on that already and i dont have enough levels to even max out regular 100 talents so it doesnt really make sense in my mind

[dapper prism]

Would only req DK orb, DK Diciple, vman Eclipse (if you can get 225(

[potent maple]

you dont need to max ALL his skills, CC is good to max and get tenteye over 200 and you've got a great start

[snow light]

i have tenteye at exact 200 i wanted to get aura and CC next to 200 but my current checkout is kinda slow so i use killroy skulls for extra checkouts current library is lvl 70 and my limiting factor is frogs in leveling it

but if it only requires DK orb and disciple i might just do DK first then give them to bubo

[rich epoch]

I did it at 10 and it wasn't really that bad so I think you're good

[snow light]

that is very reassuring

[rich epoch]

some real shit captains I am running

those were proof of concept weights tho I'll probably use it like that

and now I don't have to think to exchange captains. thanks math

[snow light]

wait

there is a weight to captains?

[rich epoch]

no

[potent maple]

weight to DESIRABLE captains i take it

[snow light]

makes sense

[rich epoch]

I'm giving weight to the atributtes to get a number that means how good a captain is for me

[potent maple]

do people that have all the artifacts maxed out ditch artifact find or keep it in case there are more islands in the future?

[rich epoch]

trickz run 100% loot

[potent maple]

i said people not rabbits 😄 i joke

[rich epoch]

lmao

idk. I'm weighting loot first because it is good to upgrade boats and then speed because I suck and I need it to get me somewhere

idk if I should weight artifact chance better

someone who knows how to play the game would need to tell me

[potent maple]

eh it's all a matter of rngesus 😦

[snow light]

i dont know how hard finding artifacts even are but all i know i dont have all the artifacts i am just trying to get all the islands unlocked currently with maybe 3hr wait between

[potent maple]

as long as you're not wasting stats on "cloud %" or whatever that is

i mean if that's all you have, fine, but get rid of for better asap

[snow light]

single captain with cloud percent and speed only to make clouds faster is all

[potent maple]

cloudfind only makes your life a few sailing trips shorter, meanwhile you could be leveling up a captain with loot % or something and keep it forever and ever and give it a name and take it on long walks by the beach

[gritty sierra]

What's annoying is my elemental will just randomly die

When my survival rate is at 100%

[rich epoch]

crystals

[potent maple]

survival rate is afk chance

if you're active make sure you have food

[snow light]

your right cloud percent wont get me anywhere its a little fun but that doesnt mean anything

[gritty sierra]

Aye thats with 2 slots for food

[rich epoch]

what are you doing? do you need the multikill per tier? if not turn the prayer off

[gritty sierra]

And he's lvl 420

[snow light]

how is your FMJ bubble?

[gritty sierra]

I'm just active farming while I go do errands

I'm at 171

On fmj

[rich epoch]

farming exp?

[snow light]

thats higher than me idk how you are dying then is automation arm not replenishing your food?

[rich epoch]

did you read what I said?

[gritty sierra]

Maybe it is the multikill prayer

But I like the multikill prayer 😦

[rich epoch]

🙄

[snow light]

hemoglobin at a decent level? that lifesteal might help if you can kill enough mobs to balance it out

[potent maple]

if you're dying that much, i doubt taking it off will knock you down a tier on mk

and mk prayer only HELPS if it pushes you up in tiers

[gritty sierra]

Knocked me down 10k tremor wormies

I mean I guess that's ok

[rich epoch]

you don't really need multikill if you're farming xp at wurms

[potent maple]

if this does not go up to the next number, it is not helping you it is hurting you

[rich epoch]

that is why I asked that first

[gritty sierra]

Mk doesn't effect active kills?

I thought it did

[rich epoch]

it does

but it doesn't affect exp

[gritty sierra]

There's so much about this game that escapes me lol

[potent maple]

and of course if you're dead, you're getting 0exp/hr at that point

[potent maple]

that's ok, that's why we have discord 😄

[gritty sierra]

But im just wondering how he randomly dies

[potent maple]

well watch next time and see

[snow light]

im glad we have a community that is willing to help

[rich epoch]

I asnwered this already tho

[potent maple]

then fix whatever is causing it

[rich epoch]

crystals hit much much harder than the map mobs

[gritty sierra]

Can't be just cause of crystals

[rich epoch]

it can. the crystal can probably twoshot your mage

[potent maple]

hachin is probably right and if you don't know for sure what's causing it, you should be open to the suggestions

so like WATCH till he dies and see why

[rich epoch]

you can literally watch for two seconds too

[snow light]

yeah crystals do 2.5x dmg require 2.5 accuracy has 15x hp and give 30x exp

[potent maple]

we can only offer suggestions, we can't play ur game for you 😄

[gritty sierra]

I active while I work and I don't die.. its only when I go do something else lol

[potent maple]

then never stop working, problem solved

[gritty sierra]

I have 2 slots for food... and mana regen cards

But its probably the mk thibg

[potent maple]

WHY MANA REGEN CARDS ugh

[rich epoch]

mana regen cards?

[gritty sierra]

I took it off

[potent maple]

i have NEVER seen ANYONE use mana regen cards

[gritty sierra]

Mana regen bad?

[rich epoch]

literally any other card would be better

have you watched you mana bar?

[potent maple]

bad compared to all the other cards you could be using instead, like any

[gritty sierra]

I thought I was running out of mana

[snow light]

base mana regen is usually based off your max mana

at least that is what i have been led to believe

[rich epoch]

like, for real, did you look at your guy doing stuff?

I don't mean it in a mean way. For real, watch it play. Did you ever see the mana bar move?

You don't have to assume stuff. You can test it

[potent maple]

i'd go for dmg cards, active/monster exp cards if you're focusing on exp

[obtuse rover]

Your ES is dying at worms?
Could be that your guy is standing inside portal-mob worms and getting chunked faster than your food is healing.

Make sure you have the lifesteal star talent and that you are killing the normal worms at a quick pace so you can sustain the damage from standing in the portal mobs.

[rich epoch]

now I can see how bad my captains are relative to the very best too

[obtuse rover]

Their mana might be running out if they're using the ES skill that makes mana soak damage, and they're just taking too much damage from worms.

[potent maple]

hachin i think you're a conditional formatting addict now

[potent maple]

i don't use that one anymore, do most people still?

[rich epoch]

now? I'd live off making colorful spreadsheets if I could

[snow light]

gives multikill per tier i believe

[obtuse rover]

The multikill per tier skill? It's great, yeah.

[rich epoch]

even with that on I haven't literally never seem the bar drop because the regen is just absurd

and I should be taking 100% damage as mana

110%

[potent maple]

oh der i dunno what I was thinking

[snow light]

cries in just barely 8k mana

[rich epoch]

and if it runs out the cards ain't gonna compensate for that anyway

[obtuse rover]

I think earlyish game people will really feel the burn if they stand in worms with it on, yeah.

[potent maple]

i think that's why I thought I didn't use it anymore, my mana bar is pretty stable lol

[gritty sierra]

Ok let's see

[obtuse rover]

The socks actually hit pretty hard compared to everything else in the game.

[gritty sierra]

Watching watching

[rich epoch]

maybe but... I don't see how someone would even make it there like that but.............. everything is possible

[rough wasp]

W6 gonna kill everyone

[gritty sierra]

My portal gets to 107... and it's OK still

[snow light]

NBLB save us

[rough wasp]

I actually started it on my clicking

oh shit u reminded me to click it

[obtuse rover]

Tremor wurms have 5x the attack that the previous mob did, so it's a super different experience compared to every zone before it.

[snow light]

[rough wasp]

im sure my DK will be fine

[potent maple]

is there a cap or reletive cap for FMJ?

[gritty sierra]

106 and just cruising... but I look away and go do stuff for an hpur

[rich epoch]

yeah and I'm pretty bad, am poorly equipped, have fmj at 55 or something stupidly low and... didn't had any of that issues

[obtuse rover]

Walk into a crystal mob and see how much it affects your hp and mana bar, out of curiosity.

[broken light]

Is spending all my gems on jewel gambling worth it?

[obtuse rover]

It might only happen to people in your situation and also have a prayer on that makes them squishier, then.

[sick sentinel]

Its linear

[potent maple]

i think only for the last few that will be forever to get

[crisp silo]

Gamble no worth, but gamble fun

[formal swift]

You can’t get dupe jewels so it’s not the worst thing

[rich epoch]

is spending all your money IRL in gambling?

[gritty sierra]

51k damage to my mana

[broken light]

Im f2p except for autoloot

[rich epoch]

yeah and that is exactly the very first thing I said to them because I had the exact same issue

[broken light]

I got the line width and cooking bonus jewels first, so I guess Ill stop while im ahead

[obtuse rover]

That's pretty significant. I could potentially imagine you dying in ~3-4 hits if you get unlucky with crystals running around.

[rich epoch]

jewels is not actually that gambly

[crisp silo]

You cant get dupe crsytals, so its worth if u only have like 1 or 2 crystals left

[potent maple]

I was pay to support until companions now i'm back to f2p out of pouting, i've spent over $400 between this game and idle skilling so I think I should get a pity doot

[gritty sierra]

Damn... I should take off my crystal cards eh

[crisp silo]

Chip gambling is more gambling

[rich epoch]

I read it wrong

[potent maple]

they're great for exp once you can handle them, you might prefer regular worms with crystal cards instaed of big wurms?

[broken light]

So avoid it for now?

[rich epoch]

jewel gambling very good go for it I got all my jewels that way

fuck jewel rotation

[broken light]

Only jewels Ive gotten are from jewel gamblin rn lol

[obtuse rover]

Depends what your priority is.
If you want EXP, keep crystal cards and do something to further increase survivability.
If you want mob drops, remove crystal cards

[crisp silo]

Some jewels is like bi yearly

[rich epoch]

if you don't have enough lab width to activate then you shouldn't I guess

[potent maple]

get all the easy ones from lab shop then when you're down to the last few that wont come out for months, gamble those

[rough wasp]

do u sleep hachinchin

[rich epoch]

yes

rarely

[broken light]

we all do it, really should have chosen a better name

[signal osprey]

Another card doubler tomorrow

[snow light]

i dont have cotton candy or that spice unlocked...

[crisp silo]

Ooo card doubler

Dang is that the top one?

[broken light]

Im too weak for card doubler sadly

[crisp silo]

Ive got like 3 tops and 1 bottom

[signal osprey]

Thats bottom right

[crisp silo]

Yedssssssss

[potent maple]

gem jewel divinity prayer sailing islands vs special islands, sailing clouds vs equinox clouds, it's all an effin blur 😄

[crisp silo]

[gritty sierra]

Someone's popular

[rich epoch]

I've farmed for that chip 2 months in advance

[signal osprey]

Yeah I knew both were coming soon. Theres one of each doubler appearing during November/December

[gritty sierra]

Shower time brb

[formal swift]

Contract what did you end up at for gmush after Dreadlo greenstack

[snow light]

well i need the top left one badly since i only have 1 and am tired of moving it between all my active characters

[potent maple]

ur dude will die if you leave donnntttttt

[rich epoch]

i wish they do

🤭

[potent maple]

do what I do when you only have one....

and that's "forget to move it"

[snow light]

honestly that is the real meta

[signal osprey]

I started at 301b and ended up at 531b

[formal swift]

Nice

[rich epoch]

don't have any so you never forget it

[potent maple]

you mean I finally cracked it!!! i'm so proud right now I'm beaming

[formal swift]

1 T before w6 for sure

[signal osprey]

Still no godshard drops from wurms though

[formal swift]

Just do more colo

[potent maple]

haha you know of that one guy doing a "no skills" challenge run... don't have to worry about ANYTHING with that

[rich epoch]

anyway I maxed another equinox vial so I'm double ahead of contracts

just never resample

[signal osprey]

I probably could but I don't know if i wanna bother until W6 tbh

[formal swift]

I’m mostly joking in fear of the fractal island bonus for w6 being good I’d start hoarding candy tbqh

[signal osprey]

1t is a big commitment and I have a feeling I'll regret it when I end up at 40m kph within 2 weeks of W6 lol

[formal swift]

Plus yeah that

[snow light]

can you print equinox drops? how are you guys already maxing them?

[formal swift]

Damage power creep gonna be crazy also probably more sources for multikill per tier

[potent maple]

this sentiment is sooooo how i justify being lazy. not calling you lazy but that's why I'm getting close to solid midgame after playing since w3 😄

[rough wasp]

oh are you hoarding alot of candies joseph?

[signal osprey]

Damage is actually the least relevant bonus we'll get towards gmush because multikill tiers cap at 52x

[potent maple]

like, oh it will be so much easier later so i'll just wait

[rough wasp]

im popping all my candies but i am also low as fuck on gmush kills lmao

[formal swift]

Nah I just too lazy to use the candies I don’t hoard but I don’t use em fast enough either

[rough wasp]

39T

[signal osprey]

Some people are hitting that now just with quick slap

[snow light]

what there is a cap?

[rough wasp]

yea

its pretty high tho unless ur a dmg meme clicker

[obtuse rover]

It's still not easy to hit, but people can technically hit it, yeah.

[signal osprey]

Yeah very few people have hit it and I don't think anyone has done so in a reasonable farming setup

Just meme setups

[obtuse rover]

That's my understanding, too

[signal osprey]

But W6 will likely make it trivial for endgame

[rich epoch]

goodbye t,g and l. welcome, t, g and l.

[formal swift]

I want more movespeed pots too

For the true meme damage

[snow light]

new node in lab sandy pot kills give movespeed

[formal swift]

He wouldn’t bless us like that

[potent maple]

so... what to use 100k ladles on? a mix of 10 diff meals? all one thing?

[formal swift]

I did all turkey for some reason

[potent maple]

turkey for artifact popped into my head, were you happy with that decision?

[signal osprey]

Definitely split meals

[snow light]

from what i know most people do 10 different meals so you can max utilize it

[rough wasp]

I’ll do that once my meals cost 10k+ per lv

[formal swift]

I would split it tho if I could go back 100k ladles Is a lot

[signal osprey]

Don't do turkey for the artifact. You can do turkey if you can get a level on it but the artifact will give very little speed

[potent maple]

https://tenor.com/view/no-regrets-no-ragrets-same-yolo-we-are-the-millers-gif-4961595

[formal swift]

Yeah more plate lvls would be more speed overall cause vman talent busted

[signal osprey]

Plus the turkey artifact gives meals per power of 10 owned

[potent maple]

while saving up ladles, would you still lvl up meals that cost like 2 ladles to lvl up?

[potent maple]

yeah declining benifit

[signal osprey]

Going from E35 to E36 turkey meals is nothing

[snow light]

personally for me i would use a couple ladles while saving up to 100k at that rate

[formal swift]

Isn’t each e a power of 10?

[signal osprey]

Yeah

[formal swift]

But yeah still small compared to bone marrow scaling

[snow light]

i probably got really really lucky with my crystal spawns and choccy chip procs cause i went from 20276 to 21280 in an hour

[pale smelt]

What divine gear so I give to vman for speedrun

[rich epoch]

are magic beans server safe? #💖future-content-blog message

[signal osprey]

They look too blue to be server safe

[granite grove]

maybe theres also a green one

[obtuse rover]

I'd be willing to pay roughly twice as much for them if they are.

[dull nymph]

How good is the buff from the seashell in gaming? i could push for it, or upgrade evenly

[obtuse rover]

It doesn't start very strong, initially.
It will eventually give you like a ~50-80x multiplier over a long time

[dull nymph]

Ahh, okay, thanks- then it won't give me sudden boosts like the superbit unlock

I'll prioritize other things for now then

Thanks!

[obtuse rover]

Definitely unlock it when it's no longer a massive hassle to afford it, though.

[dull nymph]

Fs, will do- appreciate the advice

[rich epoch]

it's fine I'll just trade all of my family food for it

which reminded me I'm starving

[unborn bluff]

When farming cards does drop rate equal the same as card drop rate?

[obtuse rover]

No, they're separate things that multiply with one another.

Both help you get cards, but ideally you have a lot of both and they multiply together

[unborn bluff]

Is 25% card rate better than 25% DR?

[obtuse rover]

That depends a lot on how much of each variable you already have.

I guess most people would benefit more from card DR if they only care about maxing card drops.

You can actually "snapshot" card DR when entering a zone and swap over to DR bonuses and benefit from both until you reload the zone, though, so you can potentially have the best of both worlds.

[rich epoch]

just as our lord and savior hanna montana intended

ugh I haven't fingered in almost a week. I need to spend those pens but that is just so slow

[unborn bluff]

Thanks for the great info! I assume ES is best for farming non boss cards?

[obtuse rover]

In terms of rate/hr, yes!
Vman technically has a talent that increases card DR and DR, but you'll actually get more over time with ES (playing active).

[slender sandal]

is there a bug with respeccing on vman (in vman tab)? i'm missing a boatload of points (and there is a point in the speedrun ability which gives the points on my skilling spec)

[obtuse rover]

The only thing I'm aware of is needing to put 1 point into the speedrunning skill before the rest of the points appear, sorry.

[slender sandal]

i had to close the skills tab and reopen it and they appeared

[iron ravine]

chess skill right?

[slender sandal]

[signal osprey]

The classic turn it off and on again

[clear quartz]

hmmm do i wanna get big p to 90% or keep pumping diamond chef past 90%

[deft grail]

Yo any statue farmers here

If my DK's Orb is starting to get overlapped because of cooldown reduction, should reset post office boxes anre not lvl the mana box?

[clear quartz]

thats what i did

[deft grail]

Just keep it at 0 then? Or is there a sweet spot for the box's CDR

I seeee

Okay, thx for the tip

[azure spindle]

are alien log card drops just way lower for some reason? same setup and card snapshotting gets me 4x higher card drop on cubed logs than alien logs

alright might just cardify that one then

screw 11 cards an hour

[obtuse rover]

Alien log cards are 1/100,000
Cubed log cards are 1/25,000

[azure spindle]

I hate that, I know that the chopping efficiency is much better but god that sucks

[obtuse rover]

It's a funny little prank Lava plays on us, making the lower-tier tree have rarer cards.

In W5 the Maple tree has 1/100,000 odds for cards and the Dandelioli tree has 1/200,000 odds, just as a heads up

[azure spindle]

yeah I'm up to gold on those but just unlocked ruby cards so was candying the lower worlds first since that seemed like a good idea, was just shocked when my several hundred cards per hour went to 11 on alien logs

[obtuse rover]

Yeah, it feels awful in comparison to the other trees

[azure spindle]

thanks for the info though, at least I know game isn't horribly bugged

[dapper kraken]

i reached world 5 how long should i dump all my character in divinity for ?

[rough wasp]

The 90% on diamond chef is visual, can pump it to ~200 for around 50% of the full value iirc

True 90% diamond chef is hella high

[lilac path]

resample

[craggy fern]

upgrade ur bubbles

[slender sandal]

it's been a while so 5 star cards plus other gains from that long ago means you should probably do a lot better on your new sample

[craggy fern]

I don't have 5* cards and my sample is 3 times yours

[clear quartz]

i like that my liquid growth seems to be getting faster and faster, gotta love the 99% autoinvest hard carry lol

[untold saffron]

Or just don't resample until World 6 and hope for some upgrade

@unique lagoon

[clear quartz]

gonna sample tomorrow while at work and hope to hit 1bil, and get my hourly clicks goin

[untold saffron]

I've massively slowed down until W6 now, running out of goals that aren't just 'do it for the sake of doing it types'

[patent hatch]

Judging from his content blog within the next two months

[untold saffron]

I'm hoping just before Christmas

[patent hatch]

Saw similar from him prior to world five

And four to an extent

[untold saffron]

I've only been here since January this year so it'll be my first world release

Pretty excited

[patent hatch]

Will be good for you to enjoy a world that’s fresh

No one being ahead or knowing more

I started playing a month before world four was released so I wasn’t ready to enter it until a month or so after it was out

World five was my first that I was there day one

[clear quartz]

kinda also need more atoms, but can probably let collider sit on the back burner and just push some expensive-ish atoms if i can get my daily rate up

minus the 3d printer procs this isnt too horrrendous but makes atoming the w5 things a bit ouch

[mellow shadow]

same! but since feb. What's the status of your acc?

[azure spindle]

is the lowest catch time for fish 2 seconds?

[obtuse rover]

It can go lower

[untold saffron]

https://felixjg.idleonefficiency.com if you wanna have a look :]

[snow light]

in pinned there is a post but a quick TLDR is go till at least bear to insect/nobi if you wanna push faster farther and stuff but up to you to decide i am trying to unlock all gods so i have goat on all characters because the AFK and lab bonus from it

[mellow shadow]

lmao i'm really doing something wrong. https://idlesips.idleonefficiency.com

how much time do you spend daily?

[obtuse rover]

That looks like a phenomenal amount of progress in a little under a year, to me! 👍

[mellow shadow]

thank god, i thought this was normal haha

[obtuse rover]

Yeah no need to worry, their account looks really exceptional to me for that amount of time.

[mellow shadow]

I see I actually started in april this year

[clear quartz]

i started in feb as well

need to get those max keys goin, imo

also lab needs some adjustment, sigil node not a big priority to get going, nblb and refinery one should be priorities over that for sure

[obtuse rover]

Your account looks closer to what I'd expect most people to look.
You have a good foundation in a couple of areas but a lot of room to improve, ideally.

[untold saffron]

Appreciate it!

[pine yacht]

what site is that ?

[clear quartz]

idleontoolbox

!it

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo#2331

[pine yacht]

had no idea it had daily atom calc

[clear quartz]

lots of super handy tools, i still use IE because for whatever reason IT seems to always be wildly inaccurate regarding worship so i check IE for stamps and worship charge but everything else i think toolbox does better

[pine yacht]

ye but which tab is that

[clear quartz]

world w printer tab

[pine yacht]

since I dont see it under atom colider

[clear quartz]

3

[pine yacht]

oh printer... never would have guessed

[clear quartz]

https://ryanstark1989.idleonefficiency.com/ heres mine, i still need to work a fair bit, but yeah

[pine yacht]

oooooh u get that by hovering over items...

[clear quartz]

yeah the mouseover tooltips are neat

[pine yacht]

ye that's what I was missing

I really should resample the 2 year old samples...

[snow light]

https://gozuburo.idleonefficiency.com/
here is mine as well though it is not anywhere as impressive as everyone who shared recently even though i have been playing for a couple years but only really came back to the grind recently

[pine yacht]

9 lab, oof

[clear quartz]

indeed

[snow light]

tryna get them all to lvl 75 for max chip so goats my go to rn sadly

[clear quartz]

a lot of lab investment for so few nodes active

but yeah itll get there eventually

[snow light]

there are more nodes?

[clear quartz]

i still have more dudes in lab than id like, but im lazy and like not losing nodes when i remove a handful of dudes from lab duty

bar at the bottom scrolls to the right

couple of the later nodes/jewels are quite nice for activating more of the earlier ones

once i get doot tho ill probably have most dudes sitting on gmush or whatever afk, but yeah

[snow light]

yeah i can activate the entire lab i just chose not to activate sigil because i am not using it rn and the alchemy max liquid one because i value more liquid per hour over max capacity and i have the eqinox upgrade to make 56% of the overflow to auto level rate and cap

[obtuse rover]

Definitely max that equinox overflow bonus ASAP if you plan on doing a lot of bubo active play.

[snow light]

oh the screenshot didnt save it over to effiecncy my bad

[pine yacht]

ye but you're not activating stamps or any other usefull ones either...

oh

[clear quartz]

yeah i have liquid off but otherwise all is active. well and the red dmg jewel and the cooking one, but i move bb to that node whenever i use ladles, which hasnt been in a long time

[snow light]

i promise lol idk why it didnt show up in effiency

[clear quartz]

apparently i forgot to put some dudes back on the proper div setting, woops. but still mostly good for my particular goals. should get div lvls up and maybe work on getting a few more god ranks perhaps but yeah

getting to 10k GT is taking me still embarrassingly long, but eventually ill get there lol

then probably back to active ES for w4 keys i think. then DK on beans or whatever til w6 i guess

[snow light]

currently i am on beans i wanna unlock onyx sooner rather than later but there is so many other things i need and should probably focus on for right now tbh

[clear quartz]

hows your drop rate?

[thorn marsh]

onyx isn't your first prio tbh

not until you got chip and a good crystal rate

[snow light]

13.51 and i am getting anywhere from 500-1000 if i am lucky

[clear quartz]

yeah onyx is kinda a trap if you dont have choco or like.. >15x drop

[thorn marsh]

your crystal chance and DR is fine for statues tbh

[clear quartz]

what i really need to do is go back and do earlier eclipses instead of w5 with sb, but im not in a huge rush for it, plus my kph still kinda mid on sb to be doing it with candies

[thorn marsh]

1:35

[snow light]

yeah i feel i could probably get it done faster if i leveld DK to 150 250 so that i can equip a personal sparkle and give him my other sixes obol

[obtuse rover]

Not too shabby of a DR, there.
Obviously there's room for improvement, but that's not a bad DR. People were farming statues in previous worlds when endgame DR was below that.

It's true that it'll go much faster the more DR and crystal chance you have, though, but well done on building up your DR to where it is currently.

[snow light]

unless it doesnt hit the next breakpoint

[snow light]

ty ty

[clear quartz]

i need moar dr :c

think i hit 22x ish in full setup

[thorn marsh]

@snow light you're missing a bunch of stamps, haven't maxed out anvil points, haven't unlocked all alch bubbles are missing alot of vials (and lvls), your deathnote needs ALOT of attention, could progress rift as well, sailing needs alot of attention as well

I'd start with those over statues 😄

active bubo over statue farming until you got your alch straight

straight'er

[clear quartz]

just noticed my own deathnote needs work, woops

[thorn marsh]

😄

unless you're 100% eclipse, I guess it needs work

[clear quartz]

forgot i dont even have lava on half of w5 lol

[thorn marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-embarrassed-hiding-gif-5094641

[true anchor]

what DR is suggested before trying to candy dreadlo with vman for equinox?

[thorn marsh]

about threefiddy

people have gone literal insane from trying to get the lucky lad... I think it's just a matter of candy, not as much DR

[snow light]

ty ty i will take that into account currently my biggest bottleneck for stamps is money i dont make enough and am planning on sending out my ES and others that have lvl 75+ in lab to go gmush stacking and greenstacking mob items if i can keep lab up will probably use artis for so i can keep lab bonus up and nobi for whichever gets more KPH

[swift wharf]

Anyone know a good lineup for a 5 pet spice run?

[storm kelp]

are you not working on stiltmoles for hampters or is your DR godlike or something?

[thorn marsh]

yeah, money comes off your active bubo all by itself. if I should prio, I'd say buy the anvil points right now, get your deathnotes to 5mil each, get your sailing setup and go active bubo for the alch bubbles

[true anchor]

do you have slug?

[snow light]

yes i have tentiecleye at 200 and have the skill setup for aura build

sadly just not the DPS to run the higher maps with stinger equipped

[thorn marsh]

killing gmush for the money buff at your lvl is not advised... you'll get 10x the kills if you just finish off other stuff and 100x the kills if you all of it

can't do citrines?

[snow light]

dont have citrines unlocked lol immediately went to unlocking gods

and then started farming div in lab with goat

[true anchor]

whats your bubo dmg?

[thorn marsh]

aha

[storm kelp]

speaking of, I have never done gmush. when do I start? and what strat? just candy it with someone?

[clear quartz]

i wouldnt use candy for gmush personally

[thorn marsh]

please don't do gmush then. push w5 for the exp/lvls/talentpoints so your bubo can do citrines

[sacred verge]

you crazy?

[clear quartz]

but its a nice spot for the assorted archers to sit if you can pull them off other things

[sacred verge]

gmush needs candy

[snow light]

current dmg i know my equipment is also outdated

[sacred verge]

how else you gonna get 100B gmush kills tiger?

[slender sandal]

tfw i forgot to tab back to my active es farming mats and it was running like i'm playing idleon on a smartfridge

[thorn marsh]

depends what you wanna spend your candy on :p SB 1h candies for forge/anvil isn't a bad idea, but personally I'm waiting till I get a bigger kill/h

[clear quartz]

id rather use candies for eclipsing tbh but fair i suppose. i hoard those like crazy

[slender sandal]

candy for super chows first if you haven't and then can go bigger

[sacred verge]

eclipse is also a good use yes. but eventually you will use alot on gmush

[thorn marsh]

get your crit chance up and you'll be just fine at citrines

people say lvls don't matter, but when you don't have alch running lvls do indeed matter imo. you'll need the talent points to start pushing dmg

[storm kelp]

I think I have like 50 mil gmush kills (never cared about it) but pretty sure I can get 4 mil per hour. Is that enough to spend some hours there? I have never read about how good the gmush bonuses are so I do not know what the goal is

[clear quartz]

these keep getting away from me, one day tho i suppose

[sacred verge]

lvl matter very little

when you hit citringe its not worth pushing more for lvls

i agree, some lvls is needed

[true anchor]

i did 1 bil gmush with 2 mil wasnt bad since the haloween event just gave a ton of candy

[sacred verge]

but pushing w5 forver with no MK is waste

[thorn marsh]

@storm kelp so that's 4% more money for each 1h candy for you

[slender sandal]

gmush is an easy eclipse plus that bonus helps so just leaving an afk there (archer for bars since starfire/dreadlo take hilariously long) helps

[still comet]

Hey, i have a problem.
When i play Speedrun with v Man
i got to the 13th portal
But when u finally reached portal 14th, i didn't get any void point
Any help?

[storm kelp]

4% additive or multiplicative? like where do i see what percentage I already have?

[thorn marsh]

yeah, until you get it up and running lvls is the way to get talents maxed

[true anchor]

character screen in IE

[sacred verge]

this is a low gmush bonus

[clear quartz]

aiming for 450+lvl on sb before i go back and do more earlier eclipses and maybe gmush stacking, think ill go lava-ify my missing w5 mobs since still a bit before i have enough gt to take him back to wurms to finish it off

[thorn marsh]

the fuck I know more than 0!

[true anchor]

is a pretty big bonus

[sacred verge]

gotta remember ppl dont have 245 books at the start of w5 anyway. so they dont need as much as when you do

[thorn marsh]

true

[true anchor]

bubo is pretty talent hungry anyway

[slender sandal]

lab bonus is an individual multiplier for money (as seen in the IE screenshot) so it's pretty big

[true anchor]

so levels are definitely useful

[storm kelp]

ok so I am at 365 000% with one guy now. Do I get 365 004% by spending one hour at gmush or does it go 365 000 x 1.04?

[thorn marsh]

if it's a seperate multiplier I guess it's 1.04?

[sacred verge]

bubo is not very talent hungry, he wont be superusefull before you have fury

[true anchor]

he has 200 tent

[storm kelp]

or is my multiplier already at 1.5 since I have 50 mil and then it would be 1.54 instead? that makes more sense maybe

[true anchor]

so im assuming he has fury

[slender sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cln-NAEZFV8

[sacred verge]

still not super hungry

[true anchor]

what lol

you want poison fart raise dead maxed

symbols is nice the wis cap increase is nice

[slender sandal]

aura has breakpoints that are really important too (for length)

[sacred verge]

maxing aura is no porblem at low lvls

[true anchor]

yea tab 1-3 isnt really an issue just tab 4

[slender sandal]

true

[mellow shadow]

What would you recommend to prioritize?

[sacred verge]

im just saying pushing for lvls becomes very much a waste at one point in w5

[thorn marsh]

the man just hit w5 and we're trying to help him get going with his bubo. ofc he needs lvls if hes lvl 155

[sacred verge]

much more gain from backtracking

[clear quartz]

yeah sb needs some love

[sacred verge]

if you read what i wrote i said some lvls is usefull, but pushing past citringe becomes less usefull

[lone thicket]

I need a good lay out for tower defense on map 5

[thorn marsh]

we completely aggree

[true anchor]

by the time you get to citringe your levels are probably fine anyway

[sacred verge]

citringe is easy 350

[thorn marsh]

@snow light how much did you gamble for chips? 😛

you got 2 chocos (:

[snow light]

uhhh not too many i think only like 28 times

[thorn marsh]

haha

fair enough

[sacred verge]

one tip for w5 tho

backtrack to w1-w4

best tip ever for w5, literally

[snow light]

i mean i took that advice as seriously as i could and did as much in the previous worlds as much as i could but you guys are suggesting to active bubo push/progress so i will do just that

think it has only been about a month since i came back so i think i did pretty good

[sacred verge]

CC bubo is imporant

[true anchor]

you start snowballing really hard with 200 tent

[sacred verge]

if you allrdy backtracked thats very good. i would higly doubt you got no more to do w1-w4 tho

[thorn marsh]

active bubo doesn't mean you shouldn't backtrack btw, what daln says is just always keep in mind that you should get stamps, get bubbles, do cooking, pets etc. even though you made it to w5

[sacred verge]

assuming you got all the DR obols?

onyx statues?

[snow light]

no i have so much more to do i have DR obols but not all the sparkle and not onyx

[sacred verge]

DR obols is more important than pushing w5 in my opinion

[thorn marsh]

he has all obols

[sacred verge]

onyx is something you would want to get. maybe hold off on w3 for a bit but w1, w2, w4 and w5

those are fairly easy with ur DK if u got the choco chip

[snow light]

only thing holding me back in W3 i feel is just salts like nothing but salts(and time gated things mostly my construction levels too)

[thorn marsh]

@snow light as you see we all got different opinions. best of luck ❤️

[sacred verge]

salts will come

[slender sandal]

salts is a struggle for a long time...until it isn't

[swift wharf]

Anyone know a good lineup for a 5 pet spice run?

[snow light]

taking it all as it comes

[snow light]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RRRMqCZL-Glgqxb8UuJyHPj0pz5V_B_O/view?usp=sharing

this is a screenshot i stole from the discord a couple days ago i cant say if it is still relevent though

[thorn marsh]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

that's the source

[sacred verge]

its relevant

[snow light]

oooo ty ty call me general grievious cause imma take that for myself now

[clear quartz]

hmmm

[thorn marsh]

it's a really good starter guide, go nuts

[clear quartz]

how deep into vman runs are people getting generally? feel like my 42 score is super low

[thorn marsh]

anything below 100 is a failure

[snow light]

im a failure!!

[thorn marsh]

nah, I'm kidding 😛

[sacred verge]

w4 is where its getting hard

[azure spindle]

I think highest people are at mid to late 60's for vman

[thorn marsh]

yeah 60+ is what you should aim for

[clear quartz]

dang

[swift wharf]

Thank y’all!

[clear quartz]

last run i did manage to get into early w4 at least so maybe i just need to go back and clean up some of the alternate path portals if im speedy enough before going back there

[snow light]

i keep forgetting to equip nobi before i go into a speedrun

[sinful aurora]

Equip arctis, get that improved timer and THEN after it started, go switch to nobi.

[clear quartz]

interesting

[snow light]

when does god minor benefit max out i remember someone saying it was about 70 or so when it does

[teal lynx]

I thought it was around 200?

[sinful aurora]

There isnt a max, it's the same way as bubbles. Just depends what % of the max you want.

[teal lynx]

Yeah was just writing. I think 120 was something liké 90+% of max

[snow light]

oh i was thinking about the stances to meditate which was 80 mb mb

[lilac path]

btw when i put shrines with lv100 talent then lv those shrines in construction i dont need to re-place them again?

[noble mesa]

If u have the lab and sailing bonus so yes

[clear quartz]

i totally forgot about that talent, oof

no wonder my shrine lvls are so weaksauce

[snow light]

my BM/BB is my shrine charger tbh

[clear quartz]

does the cahrge speed work like a snapshot, like id have to replace them with someone with max talent i guess? or just drop 100 points on my townies and be done with it

with all the dudes i have sitting in town and all my shrines being sub lvl 20 i imagine if it was stackable i could make some nice gains

[ashen marsh]

do we unlock a bonus when having 20 green stack for equinox?

[teal lynx]

Yes, 4 new resources with strong vials attached to them

Equinox bar fill rate, Shrine Charge Rate, Sigil Charge Rate and Build Rate

[ashen marsh]

👀 👀 👀 👀

[vapid mural]

how many dame can pass this rift

[craggy fern]

ez clap

[dreamy raptor]

Congratz, I have 137M Death note kills and still not dropped 😦

[next locust]

120bil should be enough

[vapid mural]

How to go from 70bil to 120bil

[left fossil]

How high was ppls Alch to get 1b oak sample? Got 4.1k wis and all skilling bubbles at 95% appart from Hocus Choppus (~91%).

[slender sandal]

more int (bubble 1)

see if you have other gear/keychains/trophies on other characters for damage, check your lab chips for doublers/etc

use an atk speed chip

[true obsidian]

are these the same? if not what is the different?

[true obsidian]

[vapid mural]

how to

[slender sandal]

see my response a bit above, but alchemy is the short and long answer

[true obsidian]

gắn potion xanh lá tăng speed

and yeah, more wis

[next locust]

What mela said ^
Also, quick slap bubble + speed potions.
Also, double check your cards

[vapid mural]

eo bón ảo thế ;v

[ashen marsh]

do you guys ever bother with this obol?

[true obsidian]

this is without any damage card

[true obsidian]

nope

[ashen marsh]

okay i'll trash it each time

[next locust]

Combine for slab

[ashen marsh]

ahhh truee

[left fossil]

Just don't neglect the bubbles that seem to be small dmg.. it all adds up. Spread the love a bit.

[true obsidian]

all obols you need are, skilling obols, build rate obol and drop rate obol

other just combine for slab then trash away

[ashen marsh]

so no str, wis, etc?

[true obsidian]

no

[ashen marsh]

its hard to get skilling obols

[true obsidian]

you'll get then via vials anyway + they give so little stats

[teal lynx]

6 Slush Obols for Samples and 5 Kattle Obols are also needed!

[true obsidian]

i think kattle obols for afk gain better than slush

[teal lynx]

They are not the same size my dude

[next locust]

Slushes are for different slot

[true obsidian]

ah, right...my bad

[solemn spire]

Multikill for speedruns?

[ashen marsh]

is it better to lvl up obols from bronze ?
or is getting a gold obol just as good?

[solemn spire]

its cheaper to roll them at bronze and upgrade them instead of rolling golden ones

[left fossil]

Skilling, roll at silver and upgrade. Main stats I just roll at the lvl I need them at.

[ashen marsh]

ahh okay so don't bother with the combat ones

[left fossil]

Just get them to max once for the slab

[ashen marsh]

do you guys just roll it until you get +1 %

[left fossil]

Did those at silver, but might getting the fragmets a bit faster

[ashen marsh]

then combine with another base bronze.
then roll silver another +1% and then combine w/ another base silver

[solemn spire]

rolling doesn't work like that

[swift wharf]

I’ve never rerolled an obol

[viral snow]

You just need to roll bronze to +3%
Then put it in left combine slot

You cannot reroll the silver one again for more

[ashen marsh]

and combine with a base +2% bronze right

[viral snow]

Yes

It will always keep the stats from the left one
So you reroll bronze since its the cheapest

[swift wharf]

Damn

[ashen marsh]

do I roll the silver one?

[viral snow]

Not if you made it with a rerolled bronze

[left fossil]

the wiki has a list of the max value you can roll

[ashen marsh]

ahhh

this makes sense

so if I got silver as a drop then I can reroll

[viral snow]

+4 is highest for silver

[ashen marsh]

if I made it with rerolled bronze then no

[viral snow]

You could but silver pops dont drop

[left fossil]

think it's only the stat obols can't be max if merge the rank below at max roll.

[viral snow]

Youd reroll the silver square triple sixes
Since they dont drop at bronze tier

[lean aspen]

What is the best in slot gear for ES? Between magma and kat

[viral snow]

Always roll on the lowest tier you can
It will carry the improvement to higher tiers

[ashen marsh]

this makes sense. i should jsut ditch pops and go with sixes right

[viral snow]

No

You need pops fir circle slots

[ashen marsh]

ahh ones circle

lol

[viral snow]

https://i.imgur.com/8sc2yxE.png

thats how you want it to look

for personal

[left fossil]

I never do it at bronze as it has poor rates of succeeding to upgrade. At some point you get shards so fast it doesn't matter.

[ashen marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/god-tier-text-gif-15929796

[viral snow]

https://i.imgur.com/MrPvGI0.png
for family

ideally you want lvl 5000 for 4th sparkle
But im early game

[thorn marsh]

doesn't even have the 5k obol... filthy casual

[ashen marsh]

😏

[viral snow]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame-shameful-gif-4949558

But i got this since i was bored
https://i.imgur.com/vplLHbN.png

[vapid mural]

:v

[solemn spire]

that's my christmas chore once the cookie chip goes on sale

[clear quartz]

dmg obols :c

not that i can talk, still building up my skilling sets

[swift wharf]

Where do y’all get the sparkle obols that aren’t bosses

[left fossil]

upgrade

[viral snow]

Combining them

[swift wharf]

They turn into sparkles?

[viral snow]

At some point yes

[left fossil]

yea

[swift wharf]

Wild

[teal lynx]

I think except for Base Stat Obols all of them

[vapid mural]

try hard for rift 44

[clear quartz]

mmmmm rifts

[vapid mural]

~75bil

[left fossil]

maybe I should finish the rift.

[clear quartz]

i dont see myself ever using the mk sparkles either but the rest i think are situationally maybe good. havent compared the skill sparkles/hexes over the slush/divine yet to see if i can squeeze more samples out

[left fossil]

mk obols are horrible

[clear quartz]

that drop rare

[left fossil]

its flat mk..

[clear quartz]

if they were % theyd go on my vman forever, haha. but yeah, flat is a bad time

err vman and archers i guess

[vapid mural]

[clear quartz]

gotta crank those numbers up!

i need better keychains....

[vapid mural]

some tip ?

[clear quartz]

i noticed quicc slap was a pretty hard carry to get a bunch of dmg fast

"fast"

[teal lynx]

Got 3 Hyper MK Obols if you need them. I sell them for 5$

[clear quartz]

i should get some hypers sometime, yum

[sick kindle]

Hi, can someone link a w5 td strategy please?😀

[teal lynx]

#endgame-gen-chat message

[clear quartz]

post equi all the stuff more or less relies on the same strategy of stall, pre equi its a bit trickier

all in on frozone/kraken tower staggers, small handful of poison and void at the front, 4-5 parties on the upper platform

[pastel bramble]

why does my bubo just randomly stop casting spells until i reopen attack menu sometimes 🤔

[teal lynx]

You got a skill they can't cast

[clear quartz]

do you have bad stuff on the talent bar?

[teal lynx]

Potions, Blue Bolt, That Poison Syringe in Tab 4

[pastel bramble]

nope just 5 spells

[clear quartz]

depending on stuff, this i believe is the goal of setup, nothing else

[teal lynx]

What 5 spells you got on there?

[clear quartz]

think some stuff gets changed orderwise depending on maps but yeah

[left fossil]

this might be the issue

[clear quartz]

yeah dont do the stab

[clear quartz]

and shouldnt need the canister

[teal lynx]

Complete stop or just a delay of cast?
Chemical Warfare delays it by a few milliseconds to a second

[pastel bramble]

complete stop lol

nothing gets casted, he just runs around punching

[clear quartz]

nothing on other tabs?

[pastel bramble]

only these 2

but i doubt they affect it since its not auto

[clear quartz]

hmm yeah those shouldnt be causing issue, yeah

[pastel bramble]

ill take them off just incase and see what happens 🤷

[teal lynx]

Deactivate that one time -> Cloudsave -> Enable it again -> Cloudsave -> Try again

[pastel bramble]

ok ill try that too thanks 😄

[teal lynx]

Those 5 spells + storage/sample normally shouldn't stop you from casting stuff

[teal lynx]

So your attack bar is not open all the time like this?
Not sure if that matters, but I personally always play like this and had no issues

[sick kindle]

Thanks

[ashen marsh]

wow Starfield Skies Spice x5,000 will take me 5000 hours

ffs

[teal lynx]

Are you using the right setup?

[ashen marsh]

the current meta with bunnies

[teal lynx]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230403011952/https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSnlrC_6oW7P89Os4uECnEB_XOVr6TlPa-QhTC62DrtLnRkzQi1UAMnrEZassEaAQb6Cr3TEZAiSVvz/pubhtml#
Sorry for the bad link. I should really update it when I see the official link again

[true anchor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS626Mhng99UTh_CkACdZZWX21XkeN8XfhZHBK6WmRwLY1_0Ymeb6h6fg3TwLhV04CMjkwsybuuXEXb/pubhtml#

[ashen marsh]

is it this one?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

[teal lynx]

Oh yeah you already got it. I will update my link

[ashen marsh]

If you have the NBLB "Atom Collider" upgrade
is that the Li upgrade?

[pastel bramble]

no its normally closed cause im doing gaming while he farms 😄

cant stop wont stop gaming

[teal lynx]

You don't have converter yet I assume?

U are already using the best setup. So should probably upgrade your Burgers

[ashen marsh]

yeah I dont have converter yet

only bunnies