lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[pearl cedar]

2^20 more kills

[signal osprey]

Thats kinda how mine looked

Oh rip

[true obsidian]

hmm...which still is the hardest to achieve lv 1000 total skill lv?

[pearl cedar]

Cooking

[gaunt shale]

fk cooking, all my homies hate cooking

[signal osprey]

Its so strong though

[gaunt shale]

[patent hatch]

Miss that IE reviewing tool

Pity was turned off

[gaunt shale]

just post it here without even trying to review it yourself, thats what everyone here does anyways

[pearl cedar]

Bigmac

[dapper prism]

#1087257720043876372 message

[patent hatch]

So many players quit man

[dapper prism]

Just do the basics before posting it

[signal osprey]

Was pretty funny though. After bigmac got banned he changed the link to a runescape tool and it was still pinned for quite a few days

[pearl cedar]

I don't even go past anvil. If they have even 1 char missing a mat or money upgrade i know the rest is trash

[signal osprey]

I don't even click the links because I'm not qualified to critique others

[dapper prism]

I check books -> Achievement (for 1k checkout) -> Stamps/anvil then you know if they even care or not

[pearl cedar]

You might learn something from their accounts to get you out of midgame though

[gaunt shale]

just a day or 2 ago there was such a terrible acc posted here, not to gatekeep or shit, people should play howeever they want, but left me speechless

[signal osprey]

If I haven't gotten out of midgame yet I don't think I ever will

I'm simply a lost cause and I've accepted that

[pearl cedar]

But yeah its hard to critique someones account when it's like we're not even playing the same game

[dapper prism]

Midgame for contract is 1b stacking all questies

[gaunt shale]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

found it

[barren otter]

self awareness is key good job

[dapper prism]

Nooo not Isaacs again xD

[gaunt shale]

HAHAHAHA

[signal osprey]

I don't even wanna green stack em let alone 1b

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/ppf-lol-omg-gif-21502676

[patent hatch]

9 characters haha

Feels bad

[signal osprey]

Reaching W5 with only 8 or 9 characters is normal now apparently

[gaunt shale]

the more you look into it, the worse it gets

[pearl cedar]

Cost me 70 24 hrs for goldrics and the graph one

[signal osprey]

I can't even do those ones. I've done too many quests

[dapper prism]

Anyone who greenstack questies, which ones are the hardest here and got any estimates?
https://i.imgur.com/1FDAgck.png

[signal osprey]

Not that I would do them anyway if I'm being honest but still

[pearl cedar]

Timewatches

[dapper prism]

So 70x 24h for the 3 bottom left ones?

[pearl cedar]

For the bottom 4

[dapper prism]

ah right

That's not too bad

[signal osprey]

Yeah I got those. My Dk never did that quest so he can bean the watches

[dapper prism]

So time watch the worst?

[patent hatch]

I have so many candies I should do that

[dapper prism]

Sadly my main dk already finished the quest

[pearl cedar]

Think it needs to be actived

[dapper prism]

So either i switch to dk2 or surrender that..

[pearl cedar]

Or just shit dr

[dapper prism]

yeh best rate is crystal w1 (for time thingy)

[gaunt shale]

lucky me I have barely done any quests besides on my BM and Vman, still got all drop quest items on my main ES too

being lazy is rewarded

[signal osprey]

If my math is correct I should be able to finish 200 gs with a few statues and I'm doing beans anyway so I'm in no rush

[patent hatch]

W6 will bring the 11th character - written in the stars

[barren otter]

i need W6 mob mats by my calculation cause im lazy

[rough wasp]

@signal osprey ty for ur blessing'

[pearl cedar]

I'm at 194. Still gotta do coldseeker bullets and frisbees

[signal osprey]

I just need to stop being lazy and do craftables and stuff too

[pearl cedar]

Then got a couple bars I can do

[dapper prism]

Started doing all quests on every alt since like yesterday.
Just need to do a few more w3's and all are done (besides greenstack ones)

[pearl cedar]

Think I'll only need 1 statue

[signal osprey]

I'm at like 180 but still a lot of easy stuff

[fallen torrent]

Hello people of idleon 🙂

[dapper prism]

I accidentally deposited my 15-20m statues few hours ago 😦

[signal osprey]

I'll probably finish my statues and then finally do everything else

[pearl cedar]

Or I can candy enough small red potions for the log craftable

[patent hatch]

Wish we could stack armour etc

[sick sentinel]

The horror

[glacial venture]

would help with stamps

[dapper prism]

Thing is, having W5 cape quest done and full eclipse means with w6 don't really need candy for anything "new". Cant use in w6 and worthless for w5. So may as well dump it into those greenstacks and skill levels

[signal osprey]

Always dump candy

[swift agate]

Is there a way to reset a character back to beginner i forgot about the journeyman and i activated the other classes

[patent hatch]

I think I have 6k candie hours

[dapper prism]

Rip.. forgot about it until your 10th alt?!

[gaunt shale]

RIP

[signal osprey]

Time to reroll for doot

[swift agate]

I made all 9 characters the other classes

I mean 10

[gaunt shale]

reminds me of a talk I had yst with someone about idleon having so many acc bricking mistakes you can make with no way to fix them

[dreamy flicker]

Ouch

[patent hatch]

Wait you can re roll freebies?

[dapper prism]

Just mean the usual choice/slot for journey is on your 7th alt

[signal osprey]

You can keep making new accounts until you get doot on your first roll

[patent hatch]

Oh that

Honestly seeing the progress people get after five months of doot

I should just do that 😢

[swift agate]

Tbh i didn't even know journeyman comes with beginner only until it was too late

[signal osprey]

Maybe I should too so I can finally get out of midgame

Doot will carry me to the promised land

[dapper prism]

Lava really has to add some kinda Amnesia potion... even if it resets your level to 1 on that alt.

[swift agate]

Yeah thats good

[wind umbra]

ive tried doing it, it sucks

[patent hatch]

Saw someone post they had 10t dmg after five months of playing with doot

[gaunt shale]

no good screenshots cuz not at home, but finally down to just 2 bits, new nugget dream let me do in a week of active gaming what I before couldnt in 3 months

[patent hatch]

That’s crazy progress

[wind umbra]

done 49 acc x2 already

[dapper prism]

Idk, im at 7 months and 40t+ without leveling quick slap if that helps?

[signal osprey]

You can do that in 5 months without doot though

[manic moat]

anyone have the caldron maximums handy?

[dapper prism]

170s? like for brewing

[manic moat]

nah, the bubles

[patent hatch]

I guess I’m too casual lol

[manic moat]

up to 73m max on green, want to know how far until past w6

[fallen torrent]

Best way to speedrun with vman is there any type of tips? (except the use of his aoe skill in good timing?)

[patent hatch]

Only really have the game open a few hours a day

[dapper prism]

That's a lot of acortns, mind giving us your gaming tour? squirrel %'s and fertilizer levels?

[gaunt shale]

thats a lot of pics to take with my phone, but I can do a few I guess

[dapper prism]

Just the two is fine 😄

[fallen torrent]

Uh that's confusing

[dapper prism]

cough cough maybe rule 4

[fallen torrent]

im wary of that method

[wind umbra]

oh is it?

[fallen torrent]

yeah tought so trickz

[wind umbra]

saw ppl talking about it in here so i thought it was safe

[gaunt shale]

it could be higher if I focused on upping it after I got current nugget, but I really just wanted to get that bit down after I knew it was now possible rather quick, to see actual progress in this terrible skill after months

[signal osprey]

Spend your acorns

[dapper prism]

oh wow you went squirrel $ instead of speed?

[gaunt shale]

yeah, I am not good at making smart choices

[dapper prism]

How are your cogs coming along? xD

[signal osprey]

Both are fine. Squirrel is still a separate multi so its not like its a bad bonus

I got mine to 6x

[dapper prism]

True, but.. speed for chems for nuggets 😄 although seems like kanna already has a good nug

[signal osprey]

Do both

[gaunt shale]

not much, did 1 half hour yst and got exactly 1 usable directional

then I went to friend cuz celeb his birthday and I cant do cogs hammerd

[fallen torrent]

whats your snail lvl kanna

[dapper prism]

"accidentally deletes all good cogs"

[signal osprey]

Fuck cog clicker. All my homies play chem clicker now

[dapper prism]

Just remember to put your squires back on the board

[gaunt shale]

21, i was up to 22 but then went ballsy all in to motivate contract into doing the same, but reset and only got back up to 21

[signal osprey]

I felt very motivated to not spend my mail

[fallen torrent]

oh okay, im 17 with only 1 upgrade into the snail atom thing... i am waiting to afford higher lvl for continuing the snail xD

[signal osprey]

Still haven't spent any

[dapper prism]

Don't worry, go for it

[fallen torrent]

dont tempt me

[signal osprey]

Snail is old news anyway. Nuggets are the future

[gaunt shale]

then go all in, spam that snail upgrade button buddy

[signal osprey]

That would require me to get out of bed

[fallen torrent]

i tried a snail lvl up. failed but didnt destroy it. Hehe

now im saving em. dont do it again trickz

[dapper prism]

Plz dont xD

[signal osprey]

100% of gamblers quit right before they win big

You know what must be done

[gaunt shale]

should really wait for lvl 15 failsafe, reset gonna hurt

[dapper prism]

Made me crack up hard xD

[sinful aurora]

Get 20 failsafe and yolo to 24.

[fallen torrent]

i mean i did snail lvl up to 17 without the atom upgrade. cause i didnt know it existed

i just did and saved by holy power. now im not trying it ever again

[dapper prism]

was added like 2ish months ago?

maybe 3?

[signal osprey]

Well when I hit 17 for the first time I made it all the way to 20 with a reset. A few failures sure but thats it

So based on my thorough testing with a sample size of 1 you should be fine

[dapper prism]

My first reset was at 17 then 16. just always gotta yolo it

[signal osprey]

You cant reset between 17 and 20

My testing is full proof

[dapper prism]

Few weeks/months down the line someone is going to quote you on that

[glacial venture]

full or fool?

[dapper prism]

and missed the joke

[fallen torrent]

now im just waiting for my 13M nugg

[dapper prism]

It's both full of proof and fool proof!

[patent hatch]

I will have the first one billion nugget

You heard it here first

[glacial venture]

i just want more than 130k

[gaunt shale]

nah i bet trickz dude alrdy got 50m nugget and is not stopping

[patent hatch]

I’m going to green stack acorns

[dapper prism]

you saw my nugget call earlier?

[fallen torrent]

12.7m is my bigget nugg possible*

[signal osprey]

I'm getting my 50m nug tomorrow I can already feel it

[patent hatch]

I’m getting doot and a 20 billion nugget tomorrow too

[gaunt shale]

10k upgrade coming

punishment for not yoloing snail with me

[signal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/namztaes-sad-window-rain-gif-23232396

[fallen torrent]

getting infinite nugget tomorrow

[dapper prism]

Earlier today i called that i hope i get a 1m+ nugget and 3mins later i got a 1m+ nugget with a ~ 4k min

[fallen torrent]

hey nop trickz

thats all thanks to me

xD

I remember that moment haha

[gaunt shale]

meant other guy, his name not trickz i think, what was his name, uhhh

[dapper prism]

Honestly, you did cause it xD
You were the reason (reminder) to open gaming and clean away my weeds and do some chems

[fallen torrent]

yeah hahaha

[dapper prism]

person in #endgame-gen-chat earlier was on 65m with an amazing "above 20" sprinkler/sprouts"

[fallen torrent]

thats my power

imma try a shot at sppedrunning

[gaunt shale]

alvin prop thaught him how

no clue how to get him to guide you tho, he is gatekeeping endgame hard and only teachin a select few people

[glacial venture]

alvin? and the chipmunks?

[dapper prism]

Wouldn't wanna anyways, sounds sketchy and you know, rule 4 pretty surely xD

[gaunt shale]

alvin just a straight up cheater who flexes to his friend about being endgame and then got exposed in endgame chat by said friend

was some of funniest shit in a while on discord tho

[dapper prism]

Oh lol, yeh im not in Endgame much, was already confused by half the chat

Endgame chat scares me

[gaunt shale]

endgame is just contract talking about TD, buddha saying gatekeeping is dumb and I copy contracts TD builds and say BM best class lmao

[dapper prism]

Yeh, TD is the typical only reason i would go over to endgame xD

[gaunt shale]

let me get you link to alvin experince, seriously some funny stuff

[autumn ledge]

Does anybody have pointers about crystal farming with my DK?
Crystal chance is 1 in 103, I have chocolate chip

[dapper prism]

card doublers missing from the sound?

[autumn ledge]

I guess my drop rarity is (way) too low?

[dapper prism]

and yeh DR is pretty low

[autumn ledge]

I have 1 card doubler in lab

It's for w1 farming so I am oneshotting beans and crystal carrots

[dapper prism]

You use card doubler on crystal chance card

[gaunt shale]

@dapper prism

#endgame-gen-chat message

enjoy the next 3 or so hours was just memeing on alvin with the purple bits

[dapper prism]

So 1 shot has nothing to do with it

[autumn ledge]

Yeah sorry I read "DK" instead of DR so I thought you were talking about my damage stat

Is there a DR number I should be aiming at?

It's always easier with a goal in mind 🙂

[solid lantern]

finally

😢

[autumn ledge]

Also; IE says my shrines are active, while they're located in town w5 with the lab feature on. I thought it was only for w5 then? Just to know if my drop tower has impact or not

[dapper prism]

Gets worse and worse lol, those bits xD

[gaunt shale]

wait until you see his 600+ DK

[sinful aurora]

First sailing artifact: all shrines affect you regardless of location. They still only gain exp when in the worls they are placed at.

[dapper prism]

Lol I love buddha xD
#endgame-gen-chat message

[gaunt shale]

[fallen torrent]

dang i cant seem to go further in my speedrun 😦 even if my dmg increased niely

nicely

and i forgot to sample something in it -.-

[gaunt shale]

yeah thats sadly pretty normal

[dapper prism]

Issue is at our later damage in (trils) it's barely 1 extra MK doubling your dmg each time :/

Just overall gets rough, especially w4

[fallen torrent]

shouldve went multki kill card i kinda orgot

[dapper prism]

I wonder what's better too, if first zone w5 is better than any of the late w4's

[fallen torrent]

i had Genie in W4, cryosnake in W3 and slugma in W5 cleared

using skill in W5 then moving to W4 to clear portals with the boost

going back into W1 to 1 tap advance easily

but yeah by cryo snake i kinda wasted my time trying to push W4 i think

30k/100k ladle. i can get there

[sacred verge]

36/100k here

6 chars cooking but not the BB 😛

[fallen torrent]

i got like 4 ^^

did bunch of colluseum too

[sacred verge]

did no colo here

just wish i could cook with BB

but he is superchowing w5 and i dont wanto take him of that

[warped grail]

someone to do the party kills mission?

[dapper prism]

cookie 20 beans

[sacred verge]

ur not here?

[dapper prism]

I am

[sacred verge]

inv me

if u can see me

ty ty

[autumn ledge]

Oh yeah right, thanks!

[rapid locust]

So if I were stacking like 5 speed loot boats and just swarmed an island for a few days, is that the best way to get updates? Or should I keep them spread

[dapper prism]

fastest boats to higher islands, slowest boats to low islands.

but still try and be close to your min boat speed

and focus important artifacts

[rapid locust]

I've got pretty lucky with most of the artifacts I can get for now. Still trying to figure out the best balance I guess

I have 3 map speed captains racing back and forth to cloud 6

I was also kicking around the idea of all cloud captains just to get it out of the way but I have no idea how deep that hole goes

[gaunt shale]

still need someone ? I got nothing to do rn

[vocal ibex]

Question cam I gain divinity points while in lab?

Or is it lab while praying divinity ?

[tulip kayak]

hey thats me

not the alvin part but the message

[gilded pond]

Anyone chillin here: what is your gaming multiplier at currently?

[azure spindle]

28QQ

[gilded pond]

Nah, the golden nugget multiplier

[keen jewel]

450k ish

[azure spindle]

oh I'm small boy at 218k

[gilded pond]

Should I just spam upgrade the shovel to hit that? I got lucky with a 48k nug early on, but haven't even come close to anything like it since then

[gaunt shale]

yeah, such a fun time, at least for us

[azure spindle]

yeah you just spam

[gilded pond]

Will do. Shovel is currently lvl 132

[azure spindle]

basically whatever you can upgrade you should

barring some things like gaming box after you unlock

[gilded pond]

I've been prioritizing fertilizer currently, but I think I need to focus on seashell and shovel for now

[azure spindle]

probably not a bad idea, at very least whatever upgrades you can get easily with your current bits is a good idea

depending on what your bits are at may be time to save for new unlocks as well like snail

[gilded pond]

I think I'm still lagging a bit too much to save for my next upgrades. Thats why I was starting to think my multi might be a bit under leveled for where I'm at

[azure spindle]

yeah that could very well be, although a 48k nugget at that level, even assuming that 200k is around your max that's only 4 times more bits

compared to what you currently get

so while helpful it's something to keep in mind

[gilded pond]

That makes sense. It probably takes me a day to accumulate 75-100 mil green (QQ?), so the 611B is a little daunting to save for

[dapper prism]

shovel max doesnt play much relevance anymore

since equi nugget passes it anyways

Nugget size now is 99% commitment to doing chem trains and having low cycles

[gilded pond]

So what is your recomendation?

[azure spindle]

kinda forgot equinox had nugget bonus since I just didn't want to deal with it but trickz has a point

[gilded pond]

Looking at pins now. Forgive me. I am mostly a casual player

[azure spindle]

if you have the bonus the you can just spam nuggets pretty much cycle chem plants

[dapper prism]

either way you balance stuff every now and then, no point to ever fully ignore something

[gilded pond]

Where does the bonus come from?

[dapper prism]

Equinox

[azure spindle]

equinox, which is in w3 past bloodbones

[dapper prism]

W3, after bloodbones

[gilded pond]

Ahh

[azure spindle]

not sure if you'll be able to get far enough in it to get it honestly though

[gilded pond]

I'm lagging there ATM. I breezed a few easy challenges, then got punished for slacking some early game stuff like dungeons 😐

[azure spindle]

rip

for record it's the 8th equinox bonus that you unlock

[gilded pond]

I'm not too far off then

I literally have 7 unlocked lol time to grind some clouds!

[azure spindle]

oh nice, so that may be your best option then for nuggets

[worthy skiff]

Cries in missing molten core knuclers

[azure spindle]

I'm not going to show mine to save your sanity

[snow light]

is it worth it to try for the shimmer island talent book before i level the other stuff or should i get it after i get some levels in the other stuff?

[hybrid spindle]

show me

[potent lily]

Why dose it say 45mil but gives only 25mil?

[wind umbra]

cause u cant catch the last fish which gives the most exp

think the afk info assumes u can catch all

not sure tho

[azure spindle]

I'm not cropping it cause I'm tired and lazy but you can see it there

[hybrid spindle]

How is 158m more than 1686m? 👀

[wind umbra]

it isnt i think he got it super early

[hybrid spindle]

ohhhhhhh

I see

[azure spindle]

yeah I put like 7 characters on auto for around a day, came back checked them and got it

ncie

[hybrid spindle]

oh, so we're deleting now to save sanity?

I see

[azure spindle]

yeah ganhis already suffering lol

I don't even think I remembered to run dr cards on all my guys

[jagged gate]

Does anyone know if there is a super cheese pet composition for progressing on spices? This got me to the 500m HP spice battle and is pretty cheese but I'm wondering if there's better

[hybrid spindle]

easiest way would be to look up youtube videos

the later ones need a defender so you survive a few axes and some stuff can stack

[wind umbra]

p sure that comp is the best its gunna get

[azure spindle]

I believe top en replaces borger with defender for unlocking new areas

[worthy skiff]

I am happy you got yours early. But also, damn...

[hybrid spindle]

burger certainly not. Later everything gets oneshot so you definitely want a defender instead

[azure spindle]

if it makes you feel better I spent like 3 months with no nugget upgrades in gaming

or chemical

[hybrid spindle]

our prayers are with you buddy

[jagged gate]

I just got lucky and beat the 500m hp area with that comp :D, i got lucky with looter rolls

[worthy skiff]

Oh, I also don't have chemical yet, nugg is a decent 50k size

[hybrid spindle]

well nugg is just a matter of time now

Although it keeps getting longer and longer until you get a bigger one and the difference is not always big, but at least you'll steadily make progress

[azure spindle]

my luck tends to be very polarized so the whole w5 skill sections being all rng was a little painful to see

[solemn spire]

aight so i had the same issue and when you youtube it it says that it is luck based. It's not. You have to time the defenders so that the shields are above the pet you are protecting.

[hybrid spindle]

I'd consider mine to be average but even then you get one thing ahead of time and the other thing just refuses to drop....it's always like that

rng is bothersome in the first place...but not even having a pity system is just cruel

[azure spindle]

this, you basically have to time the first waves of attack to full block them, can takes some rng with attack patterns but after first wave you can just turn on auto and should be free sailing

[hybrid spindle]

it actually is luck based because the enemies throw the axes a little differently and you also only have a 95% chance to block an attack with defender

that's why the last spice is pretty tricky. you need to block 3 axes perfectly with 1 shield. that takes a little and then you need good rng with looter

[solemn spire]

That's true. But if you go full auto and just send it you will spend days resetting and trying your luck. Timing it makes it like 100x less rng

[azure spindle]

oh you only auto after you get the first wave of attacks blocked

[hybrid spindle]

yeah, I never said to auto that though

[azure spindle]

after that you can auto for free

[hybrid spindle]

block a few attacks, turn on auto, and hope that it works

[zealous niche]

Swap looter with fleeter and that was my spice team

[hybrid spindle]

it took me like 2 attempts after surviving the inital onslaught and I was golden

[azure spindle]

eh, odds are in your favor with it just can't have rattler and defender in front

[jagged gate]

just beat the 1600m area to 😄

[azure spindle]

basically should have a refiller up front to have leeway in case one attack gets through

that way the run still lives

[hybrid spindle]

what's the difference between high performance ON/OFF anyway? I could never figure that out by just trying

[hybrid spindle]

yes, something like refiller, defender, refiller, mono, looter, rattler was my poison of choice iirc

[azure spindle]

I don't know exactly the difference but I do know it was a lag machine on release

[hybrid spindle]

or mono and looter reversed....I'm not sure anyore

yes it was....wave 200 arena was the BANE of everyone

how often we crashed 🤦‍♂️

and then I come back 1 year later and do it first try....it was even a little disappointing

[azure spindle]

yeah I don't remember my exact build and order, I know I moved some of them around for last area since it worked a bit better but can't recall what exactly I did

[hybrid spindle]

That huge struggle and such an anticlimactic end 😦

[azure spindle]

I remember that if defender was too far back then with the attack speed of the area the ability actually coudln't reach slot 6 in time to block

[hybrid spindle]

depends what you were going for

spices or arena?

[azure spindle]

it was spices and specifically the final one that I recall moving things around

[hybrid spindle]

Because for arena I just used rattler/defender to bring me entirely to 200

ah okay

[azure spindle]

oh yeah arena was super simple after auto and high performance added

a real blessing

I remember trying to do it before and that was just pain

[hybrid spindle]

yeah spices is definitely better to have in front, because the continuous resets will make only few shields necessary and at some point you just hope for nukes and then the thing is dead

[hybrid spindle]

I pray that he never adds rewards for wave 200+ Just like I hope that we'll get a hardcap for worship

[azure spindle]

honestly after auto and high performance were added getting to and past 200 was super easy

provided you had the right pets

[hybrid spindle]

I expected worship to get better now that we have continuously increasing damage but no.... now we're not sitting at wave 140 anymore but 200 instead which still takes hours 🤦‍♂️

[azure spindle]

god I need to redo worship but I also need to get construciton up first to make it less painful

[hybrid spindle]

yes but we're only talking about 200 now. That's in the grand scheme of things not that much anymore. But let's go for 300 or 400. The last reward steps were already in increments of 25, so you can almost expect jumps of 50 or something if there's ever to come more. Then we're looking at worship 2.0. Lag might be gone but we still have to wait hours for everything to die

[hybrid spindle]

I have no idea what I did but I removed my BR setup and made it xp only and somehow increased my build rate from 58 to 70m....don't ask me how that miracle happened 🤷‍♂️ 😂

[jagged gate]

Thx, I swapped borger with defender and put the second refiller in front and that worked way better. I just beat the 2nd last pet battle with that comp, hopefully I can beat the last one

[azure spindle]

nice congrats

[hybrid spindle]

just try again until you block the entire first onslaught of axes

Yeah, a retry button would be nice there

That's one thing I still vividly remember. Having to put all 6 pets in over and over again every time I failed

[azure spindle]

yeah that's definitely an annoyance with the spice battles

honestly even the arena if you're trying stuff out

[hybrid spindle]

true but that's something I never had to do myself. Arena attempts were already limited and the game might crash, so I rather took someone elses strats than waste my attempts on figuring it out myself

[azure spindle]

became a bit of a thing with teh 4 pet runs for equinox

but again not huge would just be a nice qol thing

[hybrid spindle]

I was late to that party and at that point everyone already figured out an easy strat ^^

And who am I to look a gifthorse in the mouth 🤷‍♂️

[azure spindle]

I gotta say I felt good on that cause for once I actually figured out my own strat before it became meta and turned out I did the right thing lol

but normally I just look for builds

[hybrid spindle]

many things are. On that topic, I'm pretty sure everyone who just unlocked the BM arena talent messes it up the first time because they only activate it retroactively and ask themselves why it's not working ^^

[azure spindle]

I mean that's just cause reading is hard

[hybrid spindle]

it's in the description?

[azure spindle]

pretty sure it's at least implied, I'll go look real quick

[hybrid spindle]

"Get unlimited entries to the arena for X minutes"

Sorry but there's not even a hint that you can't use that talent when you already used your daily one

[azure spindle]

I can see how it's interpreted the wrong way but I think it makes the most sense as an active that it needs to be active to gain the affect

oh wait I see a bit more now

yeah that parts more fair thinking on it a bit meor

[hybrid spindle]

Well, I'm one of the guys that wasted it on the first day 😭

[azure spindle]

I just thought of it as a buff that you activated to get the affect

which made you not consume arena uses when active

[hybrid spindle]

why not make that possible when you have 0 attempts too? ^^ I don't understand that destinction

As long as you have that ability active you can enter the arena. period. Needing another requirement seems overly convoluted to me ^^

[azure spindle]

because that would be more user friendly and useful so we can't have that

[sinful aurora]

Doesnt change much, you only make the mistake once. However it is poorly written at the very least.

[azure spindle]

yeah that's fair

I mean this is lava code and lava english

so makes sense things are a little wonky sometimes

[hybrid spindle]

exactly

[young escarp]

my VW is lvl 376, and i have used all damage sources i can think of, and still only have 660M damage (have reached W5)
Any ideas?

[azure spindle]

what are you skill levels for one

your*

[hybrid spindle]

We were talking about quality of life and that's just something that seems really easy. Just remove the 2nd requirement of that ability and you're done. Nobody would get screwed over again.

[young escarp]

all lvl 70 or above

[hybrid spindle]

more skill levels

[azure spindle]

alright those are ok but could use more the best answer is going to be most likely alchemy as well

[dapper prism]

Remember for vman to ONLY use XP traps, maximize it's xp, transfusion etc.

[young escarp]

working on leveling power trione, but dont have enough liquid

[hybrid spindle]

depending on how far "reaching w5" is, lvl 70 might be a little low

[dapper prism]

and helfpul when doing worship to check IE for bext XP/charge and do that

[hybrid spindle]

I just farmed wood with my vman for like a weak non-optimised and I'm about to hit lvl 120 already

[dapper prism]

main issue will just be trapping

[hybrid spindle]

with the new fish, that doesn't look like such an unreasonable level range anymore

[dapper prism]

So always use trapping pure xp on vman (good for both dmg and extra critters/souls)

[hybrid spindle]

I see, getting to 100+ might be difficult but I have bigger issues getting my vman past my ES in worship. The combined amount of 9 chars compared to 1 is just too big

I'd need to candy my vman like crazy to catch up

[dapper prism]

Dont use ES talent all the time imo

[hybrid spindle]

I'm not anymore for that exact reason

We'd really need a prayer that reduces xp gain even more, so it's easier to stay ahead with vman in such skills

Although I'm not sure the others are that difficult to manage

you just don't use xp traps on other chars and you're fine

[dapper prism]

using transfusion on vman?

https://i.imgur.com/sZkGxlc.png

[hybrid spindle]

In face, I have not 👀

[dapper prism]

Vman 125, ES 122

and still have second ES i could use

Just always get best xp/charge on vman

[hybrid spindle]

I entirely forgot about that skill because I never use it when I'm in w5 for skilling xp because I don't have enough skilling efficiency with it active

[dapper prism]

also dont book this on es
https://i.imgur.com/6HCcT0N.png

[jagged gate]

swapped the 2nd refiller for fleeter and was able to beat the final pet battle pretty easy. Thx for advice everyone

This was my final pet compo for the final pet battle

[dapper prism]

time to 245 this on 2nd ES ig xD
https://i.imgur.com/OdE4Bi0.png

[dapper prism]

Gz

[azure spindle]

technically if you goal is more souls for es then yeah don't book it, but if your goal is to get vman levels in worship then wouldn't you want it to have vman lower and get the exp buff?

[dapper prism]

What?

[hybrid spindle]

I'm still sitting on subclass swaps but I'm not sure whether to use them or not. They just might be necessary at some point and if I use them now simply because a 2nd ES and a 2nd pirate cap (forgot what the name) would be more useful

[azure spindle]

with the exp hand, can't remember which one, and the vman talent, once vman gets surpassed in the skill he'll get the buff making him level faster so if your goal is higher levels on vman then there's an argument to be made to get other characters skills higher, at least on the temporary

[hybrid spindle]

that's the syphon talent not the extra worship xp talent if that's the misconception

[hybrid spindle]

That's not the case anymore with a page 4 talent

[dapper prism]

oh left hand after eclipse, sure that could work probably, but you'd sacrifice souls each time too by doing it.

[hybrid spindle]

with it, the xp buff works on himself as well and even doubles in effect

[dapper prism]

It's probably a bit of a mix

Soul vials are easier to get than critters, so maximizing xp even if u sacrifice some souls could be the way then

Issue is.. you already struggle with vman to stay ontop or close to top most of the time

[azure spindle]

I mean with worship going the way it is, I don't know how much vman really needs to be on top. With much higher waves reached drastically reduces the need for vman to be first to vial souls

[dapper prism]

That too

[hybrid spindle]

That might be true but I'm still far from that point ^^

[dapper prism]

Either way i feel both critter and soul traps arnt too rough to max
https://i.imgur.com/m8ngkSk.png

[hybrid spindle]

Neither have I gotten to wave 200 nor have I finished my vials yet

[dapper prism]

Rabbit is halfways done

Then its just mice and blobs vs last soul

Don't judge that citringe, keep forgetting xD

[azure spindle]

also having high level with charge syphon gives more charge than they generate right? like over 100% so it's technically strictly better in that case to just use it all on ES

[hybrid spindle]

You wouldn't mind if I borrowed 12 of your maxed vials would you? I'd like to deposit some statues

[azure spindle]

god that's such a nice vial page

yeah I could use about 7 or so

[dapper prism]

honestly i forgot it went over 100%

[azure spindle]

it's 27 for 100% vial doubling right with lab bonus active?

[coral goblet]

im suprised your oranges vial isnt done 😳

[dapper prism]

me too

[hybrid spindle]

but if souls are your goal, you'll never make up for what you lose through efficiency with the extra 100+ syphoning

[azure spindle]

I mean when you think of the alternative or trying to balance so vman doesn't pass, with all the other charge you get you probably end with more souls just using it all on ES

[dapper prism]

pretty sure I had the 1b once but think i wasted it on a stamp or something once, not sure

[hybrid spindle]

oh because you don't spread it....yeah, I see

[azure spindle]

like you're using 10 characters worth of charge, more so actually instead of trying to maintain vman advantage

[dapper prism]

9*

always manually use on vman first 😄

also good to get your alts to lvl 100ish because why not

[hybrid spindle]

I hope I can catch up if I remember to use his talent now

[azure spindle]

well yeah vman shoud be manual but I'd be lying if I said I always remembered ot do that

[hybrid spindle]

And if not, then I better get to wave 200

[azure spindle]

yeah hitting wave 200 or even wave like 150 on td is going to be huge gains

[hybrid spindle]

Although I'm not sure how because I struggle just like I did before ^^ Stuff still doesn't die fast enough, so the kraken tower get overwhelmed

[azure spindle]

just going from wave 100 to 130 is almost double the souls

[dapper prism]

strat is frozen A's, party more A's, etc.

and 130 to 170 is double the souls again 😄

130 = 4.3k
140 = 5.2k
170 = 8.5k

[hybrid spindle]

why does it take longer to double it when the difficulty rises? 👀

shouldn't it be the opposite?

[azure spindle]

you know the answer already

you just don't want to say it

[hybrid spindle]

lalalallalalalla I can't hear you

[azure spindle]

lol

[hybrid spindle]

anyway, are the td strats already somewhere I can find them?

[dapper prism]

endgame

either contract or pancake

off to bed, gn

[hybrid spindle]

gn

[azure spindle]

yeah I should head to bed as well, night

[honest spoke]

What’s the difference between % exp from monsters, and % monster exp while active? Does the former not work on crystal mobs?

[hybrid spindle]

the former works always and the latter only when active on that character

but both apply to normal monsters as well as crystal mobs

[honest spoke]

K thanks

Need to get all to 500 one day

[hybrid spindle]

That's still far off in the future for me

I don't even have all past 400

[honest spoke]

Yea, seems pretty far, got one dk to 509, and have been working on alchemy exp

[hybrid spindle]

And the last 10/20 levels before 500 are agonizing....or so I've heard

I don't have the grind time to even consider this

[honest spoke]

Working on exp and sample bubbles for the 1b equinox

[strong nova]

lvl 500 ?

[sinful aurora]

Exp when active is a multiplier i believe. Correct me if im wrong.

[hybrid spindle]

I doubt it

that would be huge

there's a 40% active xp card

And iirc there's another one, so that would then almost double the xp

[granite grove]

it actually works multiplicatively

[hybrid spindle]

👀 WOW then I have severely underestimated its importance

[granite grove]

theres a reason why a day active grind gives like months worth of afk gains

[hybrid spindle]

one was the moonmoon card. which one was the other with active xp?

[granite grove]

fly, plus crystal mobs are also exp multiplier on its own

event ghost also gives it too if you need more of it

[hybrid spindle]

15 + 20 + 40 = 75
Make that 90% extra xp with 5* cards 👀

[sinful aurora]

They're additive with crescent shrine i believe so it's a bit less than that.

Still huge.

[hybrid spindle]

I added them

[strong nova]

you can always double it

[hybrid spindle]

I didn't multiply

I just used 4* numbers and did the math for what the 5* ones would be

[honest spoke]

Should double crystal spawn chance

For active anyway

[hybrid spindle]

well, active xp is fo active, so I think that counts ^^

[sinful aurora]

Crystals give 25x and it's its own multi. Always double crystal odds.

[hybrid spindle]

3 active xp cards + 2 crystal chance + 2 monster xp cards, then you even have 1 slot left

[honest spoke]

There’s another monster exp

[hybrid spindle]

efaunt

just realized

[swift spire]

best map to farm crystals in w2

[honest spoke]

Sandcastle probably

Unless you need some rare drops to

[hybrid spindle]

sandy pots because of the glass shards

might be a little less efficient but the shards are great

[potent maple]

im getting quite impatient with these last couple of w3 statues 😦

[gilded orchid]

2 weeks in a row my free pet is a bored bean, hate this game lol

[iron mesa]

Exp while active is multi

[bitter hazel]

Nightmare Kruk is a forking nightmare as intended. Feels like I am hitting him with a pool noodle.

[bitter finch]

@bitter hazel i did my first kill on bb cuz damage was higbest and it seemed quickest that way and it was like 20 minutes of hell. Then i tried bubo just to see if i could afk it and turned on active. It takes a decade, but as long as poison one shots mobs its easy.

[slender sandal]

just stand your bubo on him and go make a sandwich

the dogshit classes are much harder though, i'm not looking forward to the eventual vman attempt when damage is acceptable

[bitter hazel]

I am usingmy main a siege breaker. Dmg is going up to 2.5B

I have the full Kruk set on it + Spine Tingler Sniper

I don't feel week I destroy the chaotic version in 20s

Yet nightmare is hell

Already took me 20 minutes yesterday to do the chaotic with my vman sweating my arse off.

[prisma furnace]

Whats a good rate/cap to aim for on cauldrons before going into spamming GT?

[slender sandal]

if chaotic is taking that long then just come back in a few weeks with more account gains, there's no real rush to do nightmare especially if it'sgoing to take a long ass time on most classes

keys don't expire

[prisma furnace]

Imagine if they did

[slender sandal]

that would be hell considering how easily w5 keys drop

[hidden grove]

oh yea nightmare on vman is a pain

anyone know of a good team set up for the 4 pets arena 125 ?

[dull lance]

Is there a glitch that cut down numbers on your deatnote kills? Because some of my skullks got from parole skull to blue?

[gilded orchid]

No thats vmans passive

[thin kernel]

ok noob questen inc... the molto loggo ( multi-log bubble) is thier a max on it? ( atm i have it at lvl 372 wich give me +582% multilog chance)

[gilded orchid]

300% is the max

it literally says it on the bubble

[thin kernel]

fair 🙂

so now is time to pump up hocus choppus.. so i can get to the 1bil sampling XD

[gilded orchid]

Yeah it's fun

[quaint zodiac]

Wait why does it go down?

[gilded orchid]

Vman resets 2M kills on all monsters from Vman every time you use the speedrun

[quaint zodiac]

Just on vmans kills or on all?

[gilded orchid]

Vmans kill count gets reset

[tacit tulip]

just vmans

[quaint zodiac]

Ah that's fine

[tacit tulip]

you basically never wanna grind deathnote on vman now as it'll be reset

[gilded orchid]

Reset down to 2M

[tacit tulip]

on the plus side, when w6 comes out vman doesn't need to do portals as he can just copy it for free from your other chars

think once I'm done with 100k ladles I need to finish 5*-ing the logs for the 1b sample challenge

Every little helps at this point

[thin kernel]

ye 😄

im wating for my "cooker" to get to lvl 500 atm.. so i can start cooking on him XD

so i can do the 500 on all char first

[tacit tulip]

ladles will be done either today or tomorrow it seems

[thin kernel]

damn Oo

saving them up for a looong time?

[tacit tulip]

since the patch

[thin kernel]

how manny are you getting @ daylig?

[tacit tulip]

Difficult to say as I have 9 characters on it haha

[thin kernel]

ahh XD

[tacit tulip]

The BB is getting about 1300 a day tho

[thin kernel]

was thinking of that to.. but then i need lvl first XD

damn 😄

[hidden grove]

do we still have any pet arena guides in existance ?

[jagged gate]

just use rattler + looter + refiller combo, and then defensive pets in front, ez cheese

[gaunt shale]

how to get good directional cogs

step 1 . delete all your directional cogs without player xp

step 2 . ruin your entire con field and gimp your gains

step 3 . you have no choice but to now spend hours looking for nice cogs

I hope this helps everyone into screwing themself of any joy in life

[jagged gate]

i just using the cogstruction tool from idleon toolbox

it uses an evolutionary algorithm to figure out the best possible cog setup

[willow sorrel]

Are directional cogs that boost xp worth having over buildrste ones

[ancient vine]

Imagine you delete excogia or the other paid cogs

Thank god you can't

[gaunt shale]

ye, cuz con xp is long term gains that scales, and directional cogs are their own multiplier so its extra good

but fk is it terrible farming for them

[willow sorrel]

The ulti double cog equinox one makes me farm for them

What a pain in the ass

I don’t have enough cog storage for this

[gaunt shale]

tell me man, wait if you doing that currently i got something funny for u

[willow sorrel]

Whatchu got

[gaunt shale]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

enjoy my stupidity

[willow sorrel]

LOL

That would make me rage quit that task

[gaunt shale]

[hidden grove]

reading be hard sometimes

[gaunt shale]

if only I could do that :((

[slender sandal]

IdleON, reading comprehension not required!

[steady beacon]

ok, I'm confused. I thought everyone here said the EXP converter skill was bad. I don't see a drawback? Every 100 skill exp turns into 100 skill exp + class exp. There's literally no downside.

Shouldn't this be active on every skilling character, always?

Esp. vman?

[gaunt shale]

it wont give you class exp on addition to skill xp, it turns part of your skill xp into class xp

[steady beacon]

that's not what the text says.

It's a 1:1 on skill exp.

[hidden grove]

thx mate, havent played arena for a few months since i got 284 and there are no more bonuses, good thing i have like 1k eggs saved up

[tight saddle]

Does the 2nd divinity talent matter with doot?

[hidden grove]

don't feel bad it took me 15 minutes to figure out why killing chaotic troll did not give credit for the vman quest

[gaunt shale]

does it ? then im not sure, I always understood it as you give up skill xp for class xp, which is why it would be bad

not entirely sure then tbh

[hidden grove]

i believe that is how it worked originally but lava since changed it, but im not 100% on that

[hidden grove]

i mean hoenstly it really doesn't matter in the long run be cause you get so little skilling exp when compared to class exp that its a tiny drop in the bucket

[gaunt shale]

yeh but if the skill works like that now (swear used to be diff) its not bad thing for early game

[wheat umbra]

hey does anyone know how to read this cc graphic? should you go to the next tier when you hit that amount of damage?

i have 250m-650m dmg on my bubo, maxxed stats, but i havent been able to get the 100k cc

[slender sandal]

do you have 200+ tentaculeye and maxed mana box in PO? also cranium roadkill bubble should be large

and those are just hp values for each mob, you should be ablt o get it pretty comfortably as long as 200 tentaculeye

[mighty linden]

I just reached w5 should I safe for new boat or upgrade the first one?

[wheat umbra]

i can max mana box now, i maxxed the brew box already

what's tentaculeye?

[slender sandal]

the shaman skill that has a chance to reduce cooldown of skills on kill

[wheat umbra]

yeah its 230

ok gottit ty

[dreamy flicker]

i feel that

i had to get rid of 78 cogs for equinox

then spent next 4h rebuilding it lmao

[zealous niche]

Definitely sacrificed exp initially, but maybe its time for me to open that skill four years after release and us judging it

[gaunt shale]

[hidden grove]

what will get you more return for the cost, upgrades to the boat or having 2 boats ? also factor in how long the trip takes and how many chests you can store and how often you check on it

[hidden grove]

do you have your skills arranged properly ? basically raise dead should be up before everything is dead for good times

[left spoke]

Hi everyone, I came back after a 115 days hiatus, can someone explain how the Decibop Box works ?

[sacred verge]

welcome back

[teal lynx]

There is a big boss every week. This week it is decibop. All of them have different requirement. Like Fishing Skill lvl, Class lvl, number of kills on xy mob
Those stats dertermine the buff/dmg of your attacks. Each kill grants you x trophies (not sure how much, need to read the wiki for that). Those Trophies can be used to purchase the stuff on the left shop. Most Important: Golden Stopwatches and a DR Talent that wasn't in shop yet

[left spoke]

I got 40 trophies, does it carry on for the next week or I have to use it all before next week ?

[teal lynx]

Kill as in 1-5 skulls. Each Tier only grant Trophies once
But you can repeat them once a day and go for misc stats. DMG for this week, more Class XP or Trophies
https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1157094107085283428, this week there is a rotation for 12 Trophies each day you can do

[teal lynx]

It carries to the next week

[left spoke]

Thank you !

[teal lynx]

Np ^^

If you need any more help just ask. Equinox is a good thing you should check out if you haven't yet

[left spoke]

What's Equinox ?

[potent gust]

Oh yeaaaah noice

[teal lynx]

You can get a mirror from Bloodbones in W3. When you use that mirror you get teleported to the Equinox. From there on it is kinda self explanatory

Update launched a week ago or so and has some good buffs. Worth checking out early, since it has a time-gated mechanic

[left spoke]

I'll try to get it asap then, thanks once again

[manic rivet]

is 6.7 a good liquid rate for early w5

for normal water

[sacred verge]

its not very good

if im being honest

[manic rivet]

thinking same

i got the stamp at 35 already

i will buy the dragonic soon, that will boost it more

[vagrant mountain]

boost it all the way to 8

[manic rivet]

will go higher

i think i can get it to 10 today

with dragonic + the vial

[vagrant mountain]

just grind bubo like the rest of us

[manic rivet]

after that its just getting better mat bags and pushing the stamp

[manic rivet]

damn wtf

oh rate at 193 checks out

[manic rivet]

the equinox bonus kinda good huh

[sacred verge]

ye

[vagrant mountain]

yeah its good value if you take off the lab node

[manic rivet]

DAMN

[sacred verge]

i was at something like 100 before equinox

[vagrant mountain]

yeh equinox definitely made it less of a grind

bubo is set and forget now

[sacred verge]

yeah

[vagrant mountain]

just need to add an equinox upgrade for bubbles xD

[sacred verge]

ive been nonstop bubo grind since equinox

[sacred verge]

GT dump

[manic rivet]

my accounts isnt good enough to bubo farm

hell i dont have a bubo yet

[vagrant mountain]

lil bro wants to be set free

[elfin idol]

Is that 3 months

[vagrant mountain]

i think ive been playing 5 months

[manic rivet]

why is the storage cap 1050m specifically

[vagrant mountain]

so you have 50m left after you click the bubble for 1000m ^_^

[manic rivet]

would be cool if lava raised it

to like 2050m idk

[vagrant mountain]

two clicks per hr?

[manic rivet]

yes, idk im just saying random stuff

[vagrant mountain]

yes

[manic rivet]

or just integer limit XD

[vagrant mountain]

2147m

heh

[unborn bluff]

So my gaming shovel seems to be bugged. Before it was giving nuggets of 50k-200k. Now it's doing 300-1000. Any ideas on what's causing this?

[vagrant mountain]

you upgraded the nugget equinox and you got a new nug

[granite grove]

equinox nugget buff stack resets upon getting any new best nugget

[unborn bluff]

Nugget equinox has been upgraded to the max since the day 1 of equinox update.. And I got my new nug like 5 days ago. But all new nuts for eh past day are crazy low

[young blade]

afk equinox still broken?

[exotic yew]

Why int32 when u can do int64

[vagrant mountain]

because runescape 2 had int32

[gaunt shale]

not broken, intended that you cant afk for more than 2 min

[young blade]

lol why?

[gaunt shale]

who knows why, just lava being lava

[prisma drift]

He wanted to make the new ram meow a headache

[gaunt shale]

another confirmation that he hates all of us

[hidden grove]

you got a new nugget that is only slightly bigger then your old one and it reset the shovel

[unborn bluff]

Oh maybe that is what happened..

[hidden grove]

well i mean there is a sign there that says no afking

[hidden grove]

the confirmation he hates us all is the bobjoe pickle vial

[gaunt shale]

[lost tendon]

has to be cap

[prisma drift]

Nah he just games

[gaunt shale]

excuse phone pic i am not at home rn, first time I have ever seen this cog in endless hours of doing cog farming, just thought i do share

[prisma drift]

I started April 12th and he started like 2 months after me

[gaunt shale]

dont have be, if you have doot, somewhat know what you are doing and active click bubble with prints getting stat bubble that high is ez

[tacit tulip]

2050m would work but anything higher than that is risking it. Atom was partly created to fix the overflow issue (2^31 = 2.1B) on mobile

[prisma drift]

Honestly just playing actively and not neglecting stuff is huge

[vagrant mountain]

im just a freak wit it

[lost tendon]

maybe if you have doot but still crazy

[prisma drift]

99% of people neglect stuff super duper hard

Just stop neglecting and you grow faster

[gaunt shale]

certainly is some good progress

[lost tendon]

nice ye i see

[vagrant mountain]

i literally tell people exactly how I do it but no one listens to me

[prisma drift]

Oh just 1 month not two

[prisma drift]

Shut up hourly clicker

I cannot keep up

[vagrant mountain]

just focus stuff that improves prints and start hourly clicking asap

[lost tendon]

what are ur prints

[prisma drift]

I need to resample

[lost tendon]

nice

[prisma drift]

But I can’t re sample till I fix my cooking

I have all this speed but no ladles to use

[vagrant mountain]

i feel u

[lost tendon]

what kinda money u spend

[vagrant mountain]

idk a few hundred dolans

[lost tendon]

king doot?

[vagrant mountain]

yeh

[lost tendon]

shi

[vagrant mountain]

basically every buyable upgrade i got it

[lost tendon]

ok then i don't feel bad for myself

[vagrant mountain]

my chips are lack tho

[prisma drift]

Stupid 100K ladles dream

[prisma drift]

My chips are

[vagrant mountain]

ye dont compare yourself to me, i basically minmaxed this game

[vagrant mountain]

we have like the same speed

[prisma drift]

Big chefs

[vagrant mountain]

i, too, am gated by 100k ladle dream

[prisma drift]

I’m only at 40k

Tempted to put all 10 in kitchen

[vagrant mountain]

im lucky i already had like 40k ladles when equinox came out

[prisma drift]

I did not my BB was never in the kitchen

But I’m at 3k per day

So should be Alri

[gaunt shale]

whats the base log sample ?

[vagrant mountain]

nice im like 2.8k per day

[prisma drift]

Idle skilling trophy gave me a tier

[vagrant mountain]

im stuck at teehee 2

but i got like 10 days before i can claim trophy anyways

hopefully enough time to unstuck myself

[prisma drift]

I mean you only are supposed to get to teehee 3

And you use eviscerate to get to 16

[vagrant mountain]

oh

[prisma drift]

So you want 12 evis stacks

[vagrant mountain]

my evis goes to teehee 10 i think

[prisma drift]

Level the asylum shrine and also the lab tank

[prisma drift]

It caps out on active gains

You need to leave the game on fighting when you cloud save

[vagrant mountain]

ahh

[safe harness]

you need lab tank at around 1600 for the plus 9 and clear tehee 3

[vagrant mountain]

dang my tank is like 900

[prisma drift]

I did it with like 1100 lab tank Ngl

[safe harness]

the thing that held me back was cards, use gems to buy card slot and upgrade all dmg cards you can get to legendary

to get lab up there you need to do pets, i think i needed pets to the purple as the new materials allow upgrading tanks leveling rate to accellerate

[prisma drift]

Ngl the gem lab tank is OP

It’s on the f2p tier list

[safe harness]

yeah that helps

i was shocked at how much cards did for me though

[vagrant mountain]

ive been buying spelunkers xD

[prisma drift]

Because of potions

[safe harness]

you only need one speluncker gem upgrade (devastor)

[prisma drift]

Desolator ^

[vagrant mountain]

this is where all my f2p gems went xD

[prisma drift]

That’s so bad snail

[safe harness]

the rest are F tier, since the loop is to buff one guy and rest learn

you let guys learn to like level 15/16

[prisma drift]

There’s a potion that makes spelunker speed faster the more you have learning

[vagrant mountain]

honestly im pretty impressed by how far ive gotten in idle skilling with how little i know

[safe harness]

cause that range buffs the main guy

[prisma drift]

So those 5 will always be learning at all times

[vagrant mountain]

damn

[prisma drift]

You want basically only one of each special item

[vagrant mountain]

good thing i have a lot of keys

[prisma drift]

One special cauldron, one golden nest, one mushroom

One canary and one desolator

I’m replaying IS on IOS without realm

I enjoy the slower pace lol

[vagrant mountain]

i have mixed feelings about idle skilling

im only playing it for idleon trophy

[tacit tulip]

I like IS as a game but hate it as a means of improving idleon

[vagrant mountain]

but its made me appreciate simpler idle games

yeh i hate how big the trophy is lol

[undone steeple]

how much dmg is recommended to do nightmare kattle on vman

does it also take in consideration the crit dmg

from passives and shit?

[tacit tulip]

30b+ is the estimate, check the pins for specifics

[undone steeple]

hm i think i was sitting at 25b but thats before accounting for ~7x crit dmg

which they prob take into consideration anyways right

[tacit tulip]

Yeah the 30b estimates were before onyx was added

[undone steeple]

tbh onyx didnt change much

it only gave me like 30% crit dmg for now

crit chance was already 200+

im saving the kachows for when i have 2x vials from lvl13

[tacit tulip]

Dang you're on 7x without onyx?

[undone steeple]

well its 3x and then another 4x from mega crit, no?

3x is from base

[tacit tulip]

Ah you're including mega haha

[undone steeple]

talents, etc

[prisma drift]

Make sure you booked his multi punch talents

They are OP

[tacit tulip]

Yeah then 30b was accounting for megas

The punches are your main source of damage yeah

[undone steeple]

hm guess i'll wait for them then. i only booked the vman one

[prisma drift]

That’s a huge loss of dmg because each one makes the previous ones stronger

[undone steeple]

uhh well they are 226/225/245

seems kind of wasteful to book them for now lol

[prisma drift]

Ah not too bad then

[tacit tulip]

Honestly close enough

[prisma drift]

I thought you’d not booked them at all lol

[tacit tulip]

You can do it at 25b it'll just take longer

[undone steeple]

oh no I thought you meant booking with 20

[tacit tulip]

Watch the guide in pins for the strat then go nuts

[undone steeple]

after I got eldritch fury ive been only using 20 books for skills that are important

[prisma drift]

Well that’s helpful if you have books to spare/ a good cooldown

I constantly have 60 books in library because lazy

[undone steeple]

i had 80+ a couple days ago i spent a few weeks(cough months cough) not really playing because I was playing path of exile league

xD

[prisma drift]

Darn PoE

[livid raft]

just got rift 41 is that the last one for now?

[vagrant mountain]

i always tell myself im gonna download poe soon but then i watch a poe stream and realize i have to learn a bunch of new league mechanics

[undone steeple]

yea i was on a 0.01 % chance to get eldritch fury and i was like "ill come back when i get it" and i got it lol

[tacit tulip]

46

[prisma drift]

You could stop there and super chow rift 41 tho

Before they get even tankier

[undone steeple]

its not that hard, people make it seem tougher than it is

that being said ive been playing it since 2013 so im not the best judge for it

[vagrant mountain]

yeah i played a lot around delirium, there's just so many new league mechanics now and i barely knew how to craft before lol

[undone steeple]

most people who play it just dont craft at all and thats ok, honestly youre not losing much

buying the item you need vs crafting it is only like 30~40% more expensive

[vagrant mountain]

thats true

[fading plover]

if you can pick up all the game mechanics in this game you could do fine with poe. it's not as bad as it looks

[vagrant mountain]

just procrastinating ig xD

[undone steeple]

yea besides poe is in a state now where you can just ignore whatver mechanics you dont like

i dont remember the last time i went in delve lmao

[vagrant mountain]

nice i hated delve lol

just tell me...

is flicker strike good :D

[undone steeple]

it is the same it ever was

[vagrant mountain]

perfect

[undone steeple]

not meta/league starter but very good mid game/with investment

[livid raft]

Whats the bonus at 46? I can only clear 41 with 1 toon that I am aware of right now.. lol

[vagrant mountain]

idk why but flicker strike was my best time playing PoE xD

[undone steeple]

46 is ruby cards

[livid raft]

Oh dang so def worth pushing for okay.. gonna have to move my main gear set around and see what I can do

[undone steeple]

if you cant clear more than 41 dont even bother they are a massive grind and the cards you acumulate are always there for when yo uget it

its really not imo

i got it 3 days ago the only card that is ruby and i actually use is amarok

[livid raft]

well this is my main bubo right now..

[tacit tulip]

You're looking for about 120b on ES as a benchmark

So if it's close to your bubo it should be possible

[undone steeple]

my main es has only like ~14k wis and ive done it

[livid raft]

not sure been working on bubo for so long lol.

[tacit tulip]

Either way if you're running 200b on one character it should be possible to reach 46 if you give the others some love

[undone steeple]

wait 41 is so easy

i did it on 2dks and es

[tacit tulip]

You should consider ruby-ing the drop rate, card rate, and crystal cards

Most of them can be grinded pretty easily

[livid raft]

well I've focused hard on mage class so I should be able to get my other bubo/ ES to beat it

[undone steeple]

I will eventually, just had other things I wanted to active for at the moment

Im currently getting my last ~30k power statues and then I have to find 100k statues on 3 toons, that'll be all 10 kachow statue quests

after that im grinding for vials and depositing kachow statues, to bump up my vman damage and do the questline

a lot of activing 😛

and man does ES suck at dropping statues compared to dk

[tacit tulip]

yeah, ES's strength is mob items. Mobs DO drop statues, but not to the same scale and they're much rarer

so even with his buffs - much less statues

[floral jackal]

I have 10b damage any other source to get more damage

[hidden osprey]

equinox

[floral jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-are-you-serious-right-now-seriously-pissed-annoyed-gif-4452376

I mean other other source

[tacit tulip]

the vast majority comes from alchemy

Sailing is a heavy damage soure too (and can fuel alchemy)

[pearl cedar]

Biggest "quick" boosts to dmg. Sailing > eclipse > equinox > meals > alch > gear

Alch is the biggest for sure, but it is a war of attrition

Eclipse probably bigger/faster than sailing if you have the kph and candy

But if you're struggling for dmg you prob have neither

[old portal]

where did most of you guys stop attoming this?

[sick sentinel]

never have, dont think it makes a difference

[old portal]

aight i see so just vial?

[sick sentinel]

snakeskin and onyx statues ye

[pearl cedar]

It makes a difference

But doesnt get much better than ~20%

[tall horizon]

This is just what big endgame wants you to think, they're trying to hold you back

I do think that bubble will matter more now that players are pushing into the millions of statues needed for a single level though

[cerulean hemlock]

Wait a second... Aren't YOU a big endgamer?

[tall horizon]

nope

[prisma drift]

Hey it’s me

[tall horizon]

Im so far from endgame, the council blocked me from chatting there

[sacred verge]

90% of the bubble is 22.5% tho

[cerulean hemlock]

Mario

[sacred verge]

so he was only missing 1.5%

[tall horizon]

99%

[cerulean hemlock]

Why can I chat there then...

[tall horizon]

I didnt say it was great, just that it would matter more lol

[sacred verge]

yeah true

[cerulean hemlock]

Is it because I'm 0.000000000000001% more worthy? 🥺

[tall horizon]

They let small game in to feel better about themselves

[sacred verge]

i didnt say you said it was great, just that it was close to 90% 😛

[cerulean hemlock]

I finished the tutorial

Took a while

[green eagle]

been working on skills the last week or so pretty heavily. close to 100 in all major skills on all characters. at 7/10 now

[pearl cedar]

Nah his samples were less than mine therefor midgame

[cerulean hemlock]

So you're... lategame..

And I just finished the tutorial 😛 only at 1.1b

[pearl cedar]

Though he did beat me in fishing cause I suck

[tall horizon]

damn shots fired

[true obsidian]

Finally reach 1T~2T without any dmg cards/obols/chips

[sacred verge]

whats the go to here?

[true obsidian]

drop rate (and TD Pts) i guess?

dmg is good too if you need them

[sacred verge]

i dont see why td points would be usefull

[viral charm]

how?!

[sacred verge]

starting td points literally never a problem at this point

[green eagle]

i've got the worst luck in the game sometimes i feel

[true obsidian]

that why it in ( ), because tbh, that is the only thing i see useful after drop rate..

[green eagle]

i've been playing cog clicker for dayyyyys now and i still only have 36/48 double cogs

[sacred verge]

that sounds impossible

[plucky yarrow]

YOOO

Hi

[sacred verge]

you must be doing something wrong, lol

[plucky yarrow]

I finally resolved the problem with the starter pack

Finallyyyyy

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-dodge-dancing-gif-9449699

[sacred verge]

damn ur dmg is low for that high qs

[viral charm]

nice, how do you farm much golden food?

[heavy moth]

exactly what i was thinking

[green eagle]

3 pages are full of double cogs right now

[heavy moth]

3K qs but 2T dmg is low

[true obsidian]

well, i'm still only 30~35 cogs

[plucky yarrow]

Well thats all, goodbye boys

[sacred verge]

its damn low

[cerulean hemlock]

😭 2T is low damage? I mean, sure people have 100T but...

[sacred verge]

im at higher dmg with 1/3 of the QS

[true obsidian]

yeah, i dunno how to raise my dmg :< i'm kinda stupid with alchemy

[sick sentinel]

use speed pots

[sacred verge]

you did eclipse?

[heavy moth]

change some food for Ms pot first that will help ahah

[green eagle]

lower than mine, therefore

[true obsidian]

almost finish w2

[cerulean hemlock]

I go to #midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮1B damage is king! When I go to #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 1B damage is spit

[heavy moth]

some have Qs ahha soooo yeaaa

[sacred verge]

low on eclipse then, but also as circ said. speed pots

[cerulean hemlock]

Accounts with Q's are around 1,00 excluding people who cheat

[sacred verge]

the nomwiches you use are basically waste

w1 nomwiches

[green eagle]

when w5 came out few of us aside from endgamers had 1b dmg. now w6 is here 1t dmg is our damage floor

[heavy moth]

on bubo or SB count on that stat too

[true obsidian]

well, i'm sure my bubbles are mess and low as well

[heavy moth]

100T is floor

[green eagle]

ye those are better off used for the stamp that uses them. base damage is mehhhhh on it anyways

[sacred verge]

your bubbles are waaaay above mine

[true obsidian]

it does make my dmg better, but still not so much to be decent?

[green eagle]

okay mr tough guy, i just want in the club with my 15t dmg please 😦

[true obsidian]

then i don't know what i'm doing wrong :<

[heavy moth]

my bad lets chop 1 zero and say 10T

[sacred verge]

wdym? speed pots should be giving way more dmg than nomwiches

[green eagle]

1 w4 speed pot should give more damage than all those nomwiches combined

[true obsidian]

reach 2.6T

[sacred verge]

your servapurple is low tho, should get some more lvls into that

[cerulean hemlock]

What's his bubble level?

[sacred verge]

134

[true obsidian]

yeah, i'm working on it but my atom produce not enough to all in

[heavy moth]

your bubbly are kind of close to mine i jsut dont get your dmg are you on the skilling preset of talent

[sacred verge]

lol

[cerulean hemlock]

me with a level 100, looking away

[sacred verge]

the 35k wis, damn

[true obsidian]

@cerulean hemlock here my bubbles

[sacred verge]

this is my bubo (no dmg cards, starsigns etc )

[heavy moth]

no idea how peeps has 80K + ahah

[true obsidian]

maybe bc my artifacts? but i'm sure even i'm full eldrich, i'm noway near you

[sacred verge]

do ppl have 80k +????

[true obsidian]

i really don't know how to raise my dmg more :<