lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[dapper prism]

Last mutation is the most important thing to get in gaming tbh

[prisma moss]

oh no i litterally just got evergreen lmao

[zealous niche]

Roll that unlock as much as your sanity allows

[dapper prism]

You click research near insta or save up your dna?

[hybrid spindle]

considering that I didn't know this, it's not looking all that bad

[prisma moss]

most of the acheivements i dont have are from high stacks of new materials and dungeons

[prisma moss]

i saved up to like 1-2% chance

[dapper prism]

This makes me wanna work more on my achievements 😦

[dapper prism]

https://imgur.com/mHlHQOA

[serene solstice]

xD

I am fucking missing 3 mini game achievements

[prisma moss]

so just spam it

[serene solstice]

and some more annoying ones

[dapper prism]

Im missing all the minigames xD

also quit doing them months ago

[prisma moss]

💪

[serene solstice]

I needed to do catching for the quest.....

I did a 125 score run..

I wanted to kill myself

[dapper prism]

but quest is only 15 in a row?

[serene solstice]

ye

but obviously I go for as max as possible..

I was 3 points away from achievement..

[dapper prism]

oh

lol

[prisma moss]

gonna get the minning one rn mark my words. ill be baclk

NVM

[dapper prism]

working on all quests on all alts atm (except greenstack questies).
Had to do some minigames (fish/catch) for them.. which kinda motivates me to try and attempt the achievements daily again xD

[sick sentinel]

2 plunder mobs and a giant mob nice

ooo this one looks fun

[barren otter]

fuck that one

[hybrid spindle]

who was the guy that refused to organize his event drops again? ^^

[dapper prism]

Adesi

[sick sentinel]

damn, is the scaling bad i havent looked

[runic girder]

Theres nothing affecting evolution chance besides the gaming upgrade and cycle speed right

[barren otter]

very

[dapper prism]

Here was the loot of 2 people doing 1k treats:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[barren otter]

25 giants for 10 pts

i got 9pts the last time i got that before my giant spawn rate hit 1 in 1mil

[dapper prism]

dont forget the non counter that goes up though?

[hybrid spindle]

Mine is from 596 treats

and it amounts to 579 hours of candy

[dapper prism]

u got no gems or masks? 😉

how much gems was it, 700ish?

[hybrid spindle]

yeah, roughly

but I already used them to buy more treats

I only had like 1200, so I bought and opened them and bought more with the gems

[gaunt shale]

my 1050

[hybrid spindle]

I haven't gotten anything special like subclass tokens though :/

[dapper prism]

1050 is hax, shoulda been 1000 😦

[zealous niche]

That’s all

[gaunt shale]

I was too eager to try and get ghost hat, couldnt just open the 1000 from shop, but did I get it ? no

[dapper prism]

Reminds me when the bunny ears and bandit mask were in the spring? event

and i got like 6 bunny ears and 0 bandit

still need bandit

[barren otter]

[dapper prism]

that looks rough

https://i.imgur.com/Phq375u.png

sadly pumpkin quest wasnt a daily 😦

[rapid shale]

anyone know why my omniphau second link would not be triggering?

[hybrid spindle]

ruby impossible....great

[runic girder]

Was afraid of that already

[dapper prism]

cardifier

[hybrid spindle]

for 4 star talent points...I don't think so

[gaunt shale]

wait till next year, ez

[hybrid spindle]

we never know if events come back

so it's more like waiting for a event that's specifically for collecting older event cards

[gaunt shale]

noo, lava would never do such a thing, not our lava

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/YPxddxT.png

😦

once this gets to 3 * + itll instantly turn to 5* xD

[hybrid spindle]

you're right, this is definitely fake!

[dapper prism]

you missed the last event?

[hybrid spindle]

yes

I didn't play for a year

[gaunt shale]

rip

last event ez blue crab 5 star

[bold quiver]

is 20k GT decent to try attempting for lvl 500 characters??

[hybrid spindle]

well...what's one cardifier in the great scheme of things

[gaunt shale]

tbh, no, cuz BM and BB

at least thats my opinion

[dapper prism]

BB just crystal island ?

while working on others

[lyric sequoia]

All event cards have been droppable from at east 2 events to be fair, kinda your fautl you missed out if you weren't playing when they were around

[bold quiver]

u can get those to 490 and finish with white pearls also

so if u have 400 white pearls, can get 40 levels there

[gaunt shale]

oh thats true, I just dont have a lot of white pearls so not much of option for me

[bold quiver]

same, i only have 221

[dapper prism]

257, guess i should stop getting books on killroy and get more pearls xD

[hybrid spindle]

what does that have to do with "now I have to wait for the next time a event is specifically for getting old cards". That's my entire point, I never said it's not my fault, it's just bothersome now because you never know when and if they'll come back

[bold quiver]

this is my strategy

[bold quiver]

yeah i've been getting white pearls the last weeks

if u think about it, the only thing u should grab from killroy is white pearls

[dapper prism]

I did for 2 resets then realized i still had some very terrible talents on some alts that i missed.

[bold quiver]

everything else can be conquered through normal playing or waiting a few extra hours

[dapper prism]

but yeh, definetely back to pearls with equinox

[gaunt shale]

to give you an idea, my GT is 34k now and my BM needed (needs he has 4 more days left) 2 half weeks from 494 to 500

[dapper prism]

2 weeks of active for that?

[bold quiver]

did anyone do the math of how high shouyld your faster respawn be so 2000 klls can be achieved?

[lyric sequoia]

It's a good job there's onlly like 2 usefu event cards and the set bonus is worse than the boss bonus then. Unless you're missing the specific usefull cards, which your screenshot suggests you're not

[dapper prism]

probably also depends on your time level

[gaunt shale]

afk, how you gonna play BM active lol

and crystal island mobs i keep for my vman cuz he actually usefull

[bold quiver]

yep, cuz i can get already 1600-1700 killroy, so if i increase my time i could probably reach 2000

[dapper prism]

Event is better DR with highest set bonus, 42% vs 36% (boss)

[bold quiver]

thanks, imma get my GT somewhere around 20-25k and level chars to 480-485 and finish with pearl

[serene solstice]

finaly free

[dapper prism]

Doesnt look free to me

[lyric sequoia]

6% DR doesn't mean all that much in today's idlleon

[dapper prism]

10% is 10% 😄

(after multis)

[bold quiver]

6% DR can make u reach some candy breakpoints in colloseum runs

[hybrid spindle]

that's true but if I had all event cards, then my event cardset would easily outrank my boss cards because nightmare cards are just garbage to farm.

[bold quiver]

before i hit 22 something i wouyld hardly get any 72h candy from w3. After 22 i get a decent amount of 72h candy

[coral goblet]

havent posted this here in a couple months.. any one got SOMETHIN to say -- currently working on finishing deathnote https://milkshanky.idleonefficiency.com

[lyric sequoia]

Get better alchemy, ezpz

[dapper prism]

Thank you for cleaning it up before posting it

That's been a rare sight lately

[coral goblet]

id say my alchemy is goin pretty good, my exp lvl isnt crazy like some others but now that im doing bubo again its goin up

[serene solstice]

I keep one chem always

and its just a t4

so not worth to use

[coral goblet]

lol people will post with 45 books and unclaimed boss keys and boss spawns etc

[hybrid spindle]

That's how it's looking and I'm really tempted to wish away those nightmare bosses. For the keys it takes to farm them, their bonuses seem barely worth it.

[gaunt shale]

actual not terrible Alchemy for an IE posted here, thats rare

[dapper prism]

oh it was more so a joke

[lyric sequoia]

namarok is so easy to farm cards for

[dapper prism]

think amarok was like 15/12/9 cards for me based on their difficulty

[lyric sequoia]

At least to blue, namarok is about the only mildly achievablle nightmare card

[dapper prism]

or actually may have been 19/15ish/12ish ?

[bold quiver]

u farm for the set bonus

[gaunt shale]

whats your reasoning behind not just 4* and then 5* the 2 troll cards ? such massive buff to dmg and samples

[lyric sequoia]

Not that I've done it because the keys are an absolute pain, but ignoring that it's not too rough

[hybrid spindle]

that's what we were talking about. Events could easily outshine bosses when you only care about DR as long as you don't miss entire events

[bold quiver]

i see

[lyric sequoia]

chaotic trol and kruk are easy to farm to blue though given their keys are farmablle

[bold quiver]

every drop rate is good

[edgy osprey]

I remember when nightmare bosses were supposed to be something like a "dump keys quick get stuff quick" kinda deal

[bold quiver]

as i said, before 22 DR i hardly goyt any 72h candy in 300 runs of W3 coloseum, but after 22 DR i would get around 5-10 72 or more with the same amount of runs

[hybrid spindle]

that's how they were advertised....and then you get 1 gem... GG

lava tried to slip that by us but we saw right through that ^^

[edgy osprey]

Yep. Basically get to get all the same shit as always and some cape that barely does shit for most of em

[hybrid spindle]

from the beginning, nightmare bosses were a joke

[edgy osprey]

Don't you feel that that was a worthwhile addition? But hey, at least there's a quest for which you have to farm. 6k keys now

[gaunt shale]

just be to lazy to run bosses, problem solved

[hybrid spindle]

I just saw that....it's insane

[edgy osprey]

Talk about game balance (there is none)

[hybrid spindle]

I was really hoping that would be a quest that would autocomplete after doing it like 10 times like some other quest

[bold quiver]

all bosses sucks!

[hybrid spindle]

that's not true, I love the mechanics of the first boss

[bold quiver]

lava gave up on creating challenging bosses after W2 efaunt

[edgy osprey]

Yeah, remember when Lava would say "Do you really think I'd make you do that?"

[edgy osprey]

Depending on whether you like troll, it really fell down with kruk

[lyric sequoia]

I hate him, he's mocking me

[bold quiver]

w3-w4-w5 are a joke

there is absolute no challenge to it

[lyric sequoia]

Weeks now of that mf not tripping up into t6

[bold quiver]

but thats me i guess, some people do prefer easy boss fights. I enjoy having to thing to fight at least a BOSS to unlock a new world '.;'

[edgy osprey]

Tbh when you have to have a mechanic in your game that just erases your bosses main mechanic for it to be tolerable, you're doing something wrong

[hybrid spindle]

The seconds was just very bothersome because you couldn't nuke him....
The third was not bad again but annoying because of his invincibility
The forth is just pure garbage....terrible design in every way. Seems like lava was too lazy to come up with something fun
And the fifth is a pure dps check....again with no interesting mechanics like in the first 3

[gaunt shale]

idk my first amarok fight in 2021 was intense man, really fun fight

[bold quiver]

its not hard to prevent people from one shoting boss for the first time they fight, making HP phases, different one shoting mechanic patterns

[bold quiver]

i beat amarok in alfa release!

[hybrid spindle]

there are people that like troll? 👀

[bold quiver]

when game was stil being tested before opening to beta

[edgy osprey]

I liked the novelty, but as I said, if you have to nuke your boss's main mechanic for people to tolerate it...

[bold quiver]

amarok + efaunt are indeed good boss fights

[lyric sequoia]

The first time you do troll it's entertaining as a novelty. The forced minigames on every fight was what ruined it

[hybrid spindle]

absolutely. although I have to admit that balancing is difficult when people have bubbles in the 10k+ area while others don't....stats differ just sooooooo much nowadays

[bold quiver]

its not difficult man. He just needs to create extra HP bars with immortality phases '.'

then while its immortal u add one shoting mechanics that players have to either dodge or they lose

like it was in W1-W2

[lyric sequoia]

Al 5 worlld bosses were entertaining enough fights on first attempt. A fight designed to be farmed shoulld naturally have mechanics that you can ignore when you come to farming it

[dapper prism]

Amarok was like adrenaline when i first played, didnt want to waste keys, seemed like proper mechanics.
Efaunt too.
Chiz was already more a.. just dont stand close, but rest is easy.
Troll was "dont worry, 0 rush, nothing happens, you can afk several minutes and come back"
Kattle same as troll but even "easier" "not mechanics, no thoughts needed, just need some dmg"

[gaunt shale]

troll fkn terrible, to this day I dont know wtf you are suppose to do when he says hit mob closest to the screen, dumb boss

[edgy osprey]

Amarok: Good all around beginner boss
Efaunt: Great design, bit annoying to run around, great idea
Chizoar: Errr.... Not much of note? At least it doesn't try to make me seethe
Troll: Just stop.
Kruk: I can tell you gave up on having ideas and so can everyone

[bold quiver]

yeah after W2 its just bad

[burnt sail]

What's wrong with Chiz? I feel like he has mechanics.

[bold quiver]

he would have mechanics if his attacks didnt take 10 seconds to happen

[gaunt shale]

best boss is king doot since I can kill him for not eating my bait and becoming my slave

[dapper prism]

Has mechanics but the mechanics are very basic

[edgy osprey]

I mean, you can honestly just ignore them with enough damage, but at least his mechanics didn't have to be taken away for people to like him

[bold quiver]

chiz is more annoying than anything, cuz u have to keep destroyinh the imortality balls everydamn time for no reason

it doesnt bring any benefit to the fight, its just annoying

[lyric sequoia]

All the boss mechanics are basic, don't pretend that efaunt is any more mechanically challenging than chiz

[edgy osprey]

But very good design!

[bold quiver]

the amount of people losing and having to think as to how beat efaunt shows that it has great design

i've never seen people saying "omg what do i do to kil chizoar" its always " this boss is too easy wtf"

[edgy osprey]

I was thinking purely visually tbh

[lyric sequoia]

All 5 bosses look interesting, looks a good fight does not make

[edgy osprey]

I mean.... Kruk is pretty basic...

[dapper prism]

Annoying doesnt make it really good

[hybrid spindle]

I agree. There are like 2 major things I want in a boss.
First, stakes. You can die and waste a key. So the boss needs attacks and has to pose a threat to you. The more unique the better.
Secondly, it needs to be farmable. A boss needs to be nukable when you have to farm him hundreds of times for cards. (That's the only problem I have with the w2 boss)

[dapper prism]

I still find w2 is easy to farm with something like DK

[bold quiver]

yeah he can make invencibility phases for first fights and remove them once u commplete the challenge, as it is with troll

and to be honest, he could add a automatic retry button there =/ even if it was locked behind an achievement like "kill 2 thjousando bosses" or something like that

[edgy osprey]

I mean, Efaunt takes a bit longer but his mechanics isn't really a problem to farming. With troll, if his mechanics wasn't just straight up disabled at some point, everyone would hate its guts when looking at the 100 nightmare kills

[bold quiver]

And lets not talk as to why lava doesnt change the insane amount of timme it takes to drop boss items

[dapper prism]

Oh true, at least it's not forced troll minigames, like that you cant dmg him besides through succeeding the minigames, now that would be terrible xD

[lyric sequoia]

Efaunt only seems more challenging because there are more attacks going on at once that can hit you in equal measure, but it's still just pattern recognition at the end of the day which isn't a hard thing to overcome

[bold quiver]

cuz when its an event item it sure drops instantly whn u kill kkkkk

[burnt sail]

If we're going off "basic" mechanics then I would argue that Efaunt is the only one who isn't basic. Amarok is easy too. He's either a dps check or a "oh no I have to run over there and kill a totem"

[dapper prism]

First boss in a game needs to be basic but still challenging

[lyric sequoia]

Especially if the fight takes a long time, which considering the first time I took out chaotic efaunt it took me 1.5 hours to do I think I can safely say I got that pattern down

[hybrid spindle]

considering that i still need to kill all arms before I can do any damage is still bothersome. You could just have a 99% damage reduction as long as he has arms, so when you have enough damage you can nuke the boss. That sounds like an easy implementation with great effects.

[edgy osprey]

I'd say it's perfect for a first boss. Not too complicated, just a bit of DPS needed

[lyric sequoia]

Stand still on a platform until a very telegraphed attack begins then move to the other side of a platform, or onto another 1. AKA amarok's requirement

[edgy osprey]

But at least we can discuss all those. With Kruk it's honestly just "What the fuck are ideas?"

[bold quiver]

yeah kruk is a disapointment

there is no boss fight, only a "how long do u wanna stay here" check

[edgy osprey]

Everytime I see a boss can heal: "Oh for the sake of all that is holy! WHY?!"

[dapper prism]

oh true, but i mean, even dk auto with maxed double strike and shockwave, makes nearly every shockwave always hit both side arms at once. But 100%, shoulda just been a 99% dmg reduction, maybe even decrease it per arm.
For each arm going down, 100%, 95%, 90%, 80%, 50%, 25%, 0% reduction kinda thing

[lyric sequoia]

Kruk is by a decent margin the most hectic fight if you've not stomped over the DPS check

[burnt sail]

Just seems like people are gonna complain if the boss is easy or lacks mechanics, but then if he has hard mechanics and takes longer to farm then they'll complain that you can't giga lightspeed farm it

[lyric sequoia]

Mole management is hectic as fuck if you're only just within damage range of keeping up

[edgy osprey]

When a boss doesn't attempt to kill you for no reason.... Yeah, I can feel the stakes, I can feel how this is a deity

[hybrid spindle]

I would have loved to have keyboard controls back when we struggled with the w1 boss. Imagine the possibilities now that we can react a lot faster than before. We could have some really challenging bossfights where you have to bob and weave all over

[bold quiver]

only if u are attempting with bad classes tho kkkkkkkkk. Most classes u can just afk

[lyric sequoia]

"if you haven't stomped over the DPS check" yes I said that

[bold quiver]

it doesnt matter the DPS check

[burnt sail]

Kruk and Troll are boring I agree but like.. I don't think Lava is out here trying to make sweaty MMO raid bosses

[dapper prism]

but also kruk is the one boss you have no big reason to rush/push atm so dps check isnt as big of a deal

[lyric sequoia]

But that's literally true of all bosses and every singlel thing in this game

[bold quiver]

i can get a 10M ES , turn on auto and beat that boss by leaving it there (if t can kill mole)

[lyric sequoia]

Nothing is a threat or hard if you 1 shit it

[bold quiver]

kruk is the only boss u can beat with the most horrible stats possible, cuz there is no requirement besides "being able to kill the mole on auto"

[lyric sequoia]

Congrats, your ES passed way over the DPS check. Not sure what you thin kyou're adding to my statement?

[bold quiver]

u cant kill the boss if u cant one shot moles, u knew that right?

[inner ravine]

just candied through 5 eclipse skulls

[edgy osprey]

Dude honestly I wouldn't have that much of a problem if for the currently best equipment you wouldn't have to do him on all ten chars and one of them is vman. Like honestly change my mind, but all beginner classes just suck ass so bad

[lyric sequoia]

What does that have to do with it

Obviouslly I know that

[bold quiver]

how can it be a hectic fight if u cant get over the DPS check? u cant even kill the boss if u cant kill moles

[lyric sequoia]

Go fight kruk with a 30b sheet damage vman, then tell me about how brainless it is since that's way more than enough damage to 1 shot the moles

[hybrid spindle]

exactly. something that easily fixes it because you wouldn't necessarily have to do it with a specific class. Having enough damage is sufficient. But that comes with so many quality of life things he could add and doesn't. I've long stopped looking at suggestions because lava seems to always choose the least important of all of them and then goes like: "Aren't I amazing for giving you amazing qol updates?" Of course it's better than nothing but it could still be a lot better....

[bold quiver]

and if u can kill moles u can AFK for 2 days and beat it

[bold quiver]

kkkkkkkkkkkkk if u cant even understand the falacity of your argument its cool

[edgy osprey]

I have and it still is. Like yeah, it's not brainless at all to just run around from left to right 500 times. Oh yeah, needs so much thinking...

[bold quiver]

aint gonna explain

[graceful bramble]

Can these numbers reach round 200?

[bold quiver]

W5 boss is the only one u have 0 chance of dying and can AFK in its fight as long as u kill moles

[lyric sequoia]

lmao ok, cool argument of "if you can't read my mind then I win"

[burnt sail]

Not sure that "go left, kill mole, go right, kill mole" isn't brainless.

[bold quiver]

hey, its a very hectic fight to go inside that room, turn on auto on DK and go make a cup of coffe or sleep

[lyric sequoia]

It's way less brainless than "stand still until a thing wiggles, move left and move right then stand still"

Nice strawman

[edgy osprey]

Which would still afford a reaction, other than kruk which is just auto pilot without doing much

Nope, wait, both are brainless, bit at least the boss is killing me while I'm doing it

[burnt sail]

Can we all just agree that none of the bosses require an above-average IQ

[edgy osprey]

Kruk doesn't even try that much

[lyric sequoia]

Far less brain power is needed to keep half an eye on 1 thing and make a movement every 5-10 seconds

[bold quiver]

not above but W2-W1 have some mechanics to it

the amount of people that die first time in those fights is very high

[edgy osprey]

As I said, at least the first few bosses try to be a boss and kill me. Kruk doesn't bother. Nice boss

[lyric sequoia]

Don't think anyone has said otherwise

[bold quiver]

kruk isnt even a boss fight, its ridiculous

[edgy osprey]

Like tell me: What, just what is the point of a boss that doesn't fight you? What is it? Kruk doesn't damage me, kruk doesn't do shit, he just heals. What in the everliving fuck is the point of a bossfoght that doesn't fight you?

[lyric sequoia]

A boss that relies on continuous add deployment to defend itself is a pretty well used boss trope, but I'm not pretending it's not dumbed down completely to suit a game like this

As is every boss in the game

[hybrid spindle]

there's nothing sweaty about the w1 boss. It's genuinely a challenging boss where you have to dodge or you die in the beginning. And the more damage you do, the faster you're done of course. It's challenging but not too difficult.
The second one is rather similar although I have a problem with not straight up being able to nuke him.
W3 has a little too much invincibility for my tastes but at least it has attacks/abilities.
The 4th one though has nothing. It doesn't attack, there are no stakes. you only need to do some time consuming minigames over and over, which unfortunately are very alike to the w2 dungeon in that many of them are hella weird/seem impossible (some dungeon ones actually are impossible)
And the 5th one is just as bad in that the only thing you need is damage. No attacks from the boss, no dodging or anything but at least we can take solace in knowing that we don't have to complete stupid tasks....but if that's the standard we compare bosses with then it's already over anyways.

[bold quiver]

very well deployed if the minions actualy did something my dear

[edgy osprey]

At least the adds try to kill me sometimes. Or the boss still shoots me or sum... Kruk doesn't do even that....

He just stands there

[bold quiver]

a minion that die to the most horrible skill, when u can auto on 6 of the 7 classes in the game, very good mechanic

[lyric sequoia]

Yeah when you have 10k+ def the damage is trivial, but that's a part of outgrowing the fight

[bold quiver]

"oh but vman ", ehhh no one cares about that, people wanna beat boss to reach new world, as it has always been. They can figure that out later

[lyric sequoia]

We all have accounts that had far more defensive power than w5 in general required when it was launched. Our accounts aren't really a measuring stick

[edgy osprey]

And also, these bosses at least aren't advertised as "divine", most of the time... Yeah what a deity!

[bold quiver]

deity in standing still while u turn on auto and go sleep

[edgy osprey]

Can I fight the badger instead?

Or the snake?

[bold quiver]

bird fight!

[hybrid spindle]

I could argue that the Troll at least has some merit IF there was actually a reason for him not doing anything. For example, the w4 boss sucks just because he wants to play dead but you find him again in w5 and then he actually fights back and tries to whoop your ass.
It would still make the w4 boss a bad boss but at least we'd have some story we could take solace in

[lyric sequoia]

I've fought plenty of bosses and minibosses in games that make grandiose statements about their position in the universe

[bold quiver]

the amount of people that enter W5 boss fight, turn on auto on ES and fight that boss for over 4-5h is crazy high ......hectic fight

[hybrid spindle]

Good old times when you had to fight the w1 boss for an hour and had to dodge every single attack ^^

[edgy osprey]

Yeah, but they aren't meant to genuinely be that powerful. Like I know that when I fight Tokichiro in Nioh he's an ass on his own! But as far as I can tell, Kruk is supposed to be pretty powerful in universe? I don't know, who cares

[bold quiver]

yeaah, when i beat W3 boss in my last speedrun acc i fought for almost 40 minutes and had to dodge all atacks otherwise would get one shoted kkkkkkkkkk

it was fun

[lyric sequoia]

I'm using a class that trivialises anything it does because it has screen-wide attacks that require no input from me.
Yes I'm sure when you use that logic the fight isn't remotely hectic because there is nothing on screen

[edgy osprey]

....Yes?

[bold quiver]

6 out of 7 classes can auto that boss. Are u even listening to yourself?

[hybrid spindle]

For all I care, lava could cap damage for the first time you fight a world boss because it's a monumental task to unlock a new world. Then after that you could go ham on him for all I care (or like once per character)

[bold quiver]

who cares if your vman is dogshit, he is not even suposed to be a boss fighter

[lyric sequoia]

I didn't deny that

[bold quiver]

are u thinking that a player that just reached W5 boss map will magicaly say " OH WAIT, LET ME PULL MY VMAN AND TRY FIGHTING THIS" wtf dude

[dapper prism]

Yes

[bold quiver]

les make this fight where i can auto for 5h on 6 characters take 30 hours of insane clicking

[lyric sequoia]

Well yes, I absolutely think that because they literally will, because you literally have to to complete the merit board

[hybrid spindle]

most characters have screenwide attacks by now though. so If that's all it takes to nullify the mechanic of a boss who was introduced AFTER those classes, then I can only blame bad design

[lyric sequoia]

What even is that as an argument?

The game factuallly makes you fight kruk on your vman, well done

[bold quiver]

only if u want tho '.'

[lyric sequoia]

?

[edgy osprey]

Come to think of it, Kruk is just Amarok, but without attacks and only one kind of totem. Except if you fight him with 5 out of 7 classes, the totem isn't there and he becomes just a target. You know what, I think I found the solution: let's just remain him from a boss to a target practice

[lyric sequoia]

The entire game can be ignored if you don't want to do it

[bold quiver]

thats how bad the boss fight design is

u dont have to go through trying to attempt a boss fight being extremely weak if u dont want to

the game allow players to just beat the boss with the other 6 classes andreach new world

[hybrid spindle]

It's the target dummy from the islands with the difference that the bar is not a timer 😛

[lyric sequoia]

I didn't say you couldn't do that

[edgy osprey]

🤣

[lyric sequoia]

You're twisted what I said into something to fit your argument

[edgy osprey]

So about that... "This boss is optional PLAYING THE GAME IS OPTIONAL!"

[sacred verge]

im new to the discussion, but in my opinion the bossfights dosent need to be "great". afterall the game isnt really about bossfights

[lyric sequoia]

All I said is that kruk is pretty hectic if you're only just on the line of the DPS check. Congrats on realising that there are many many ways to get passed that

[serene solstice]

@dapper prism when do I get the jackpot?

[bold quiver]

u are trying to say that the boss has a mechanic only because 1 class cant turn on auto while fighting it, great

[hybrid spindle]

As for bosses that heal....I'd say that's a bad choice altogether. The only reason to heal is to draw out the fight (what for?!) or to make it a dps check.

[lyric sequoia]

What?

[bold quiver]

out of 7 classes, 1 class needs more dmg to be able to auto boss, wow great mechanic

[potent maple]

40M more till I max the vial and deposit millions of statues 😄

[lyric sequoia]

The boss literally, factually has mechanics even if you do delete them instantly. Also not what I even tried to say

[edgy osprey]

Bosses that heal are dogshit change my mind. I mean if they have one heal or so because you get them, they're humans too so they get one, fine. But infinite heals? Fuck no!

[hybrid spindle]

But why would you prevent weak players from beating a boss? If they can dodge every single attack because it would 1-shot them, they definitely earn their win when they can do so for an hour our several straight

[sacred verge]

having a dps check isnt bad

[elfin idol]

delete this nephew

[visual lava]

If the boss heals, you are bad at the game.

[bold quiver]

healing is only good if it makes sense in a fight

[edgy osprey]

I...what?

[edgy osprey]

See nameless puppet

[clear quartz]

lies of peepeepoopoo aka bloodborne 2?

[edgy osprey]

Yep

[clear quartz]

😄

[bold quiver]

[visual lava]

If the problem is damage, you are skipping other areas of the game to force content that you don't have enough damage for.

If you have damage and can't kill the ads, you are bad.

[edgy osprey]

Malenia

[visual lava]

Oh Malenia is 100% shit design

[bold quiver]

true. thankfully lava didnt make W5 boss that way!!! as long as u can kill those moles u can just afk the boss for 20h

[visual lava]

I was talking about kruk

[hybrid spindle]

I don't agree. What for? If you beat a boss despite being weak then you'll just get obliterated in the next world. But it feels great if you go to the w1 boss if you're really weak and battle him for an hour. You have to dodge like every single attack because everything can 1-shot you and when you ultimately beat him, you feel amazing. I see no reason why you should punish such behavior?
Either struggle for an hour or wait until you have better gear/talents and make it easier on yourself. That's a great choice that's taken away from you if you need a dps check to even attempt a boss you've reached

[edgy osprey]

Oh sorry, thought you meant in general

[visual lava]

Because idleon is a numbers game, you are lacking in other areas if you don't have the damage

[clear quartz]

she has never known the feet

[hybrid spindle]

delete it, because if lava for some reason does that, you'll find a box of burning excrement in front of your door 😂

[edgy osprey]

I wouldn't say bad, just too underpowered. Then again, with vman one shoting moles doesn't matter since you're running around constantly anyways, so....

[visual lava]

Vman is pure skill issue

If you don't 1shot the boss

[clear quartz]

its just tedium with vman, im avoiding it since beefmaster was bad enough

[edgy osprey]

Vman as a class is dogshit for damage

[visual lava]

And have to interact with moles

[dapper prism]

Not really

[edgy osprey]

I won't take the bait

[bold quiver]

yeah, its a very very easy fight with vman

[visual lava]

I wrote that weird

[bold quiver]

as long as u have normal IQ

only 3 skills to press....... not many options there!

[hybrid spindle]

I'd love to know what lava thinkg about his own bosses

[visual lava]

If you don't have the damage to brute force the boss, vman needs you to actually play properly to be able to defeat the boss

[clear quartz]

oh cool, just noticed got drop rate in ball shop again

[visual lava]

Is it a good design? Nope.

[hybrid spindle]

Is it really that he just didn't give a damn anymore after w3....or was he out of ideas? Or maybe he actually thinks those bosses are good?

[edgy osprey]

"Ah whatever, they'll take it anyways, why try?"

[visual lava]

Are there other things that are badly designed? Absolutely.

[bold quiver]

why cant vman throw laser punches?

[hybrid spindle]

that's the doot mentality....as for bosses...who knows

[bold quiver]

whats the point of adding another extra line of dmg on vman skill tab. lava should have made a 40-50% chance of his punches throwing beams

[hybrid spindle]

it's generally time for basic attacks to have more relevance again

[edgy osprey]

At some point this game just flipped, didn't it?

[hybrid spindle]

ES has the lightning strike + creates tornados/volkanos
DK has the shockwave
and I think that's it or am I missing one? The basic attacks of all bows suck iirc and so does BB in general ^^

[bold quiver]

lava is prepping us for W6 requirements!

there has never been so much power scaling before

pray for hope

[dapper prism]

also kinda rubberbanding the new w5's to get them through w5 easier

[edgy osprey]

You mean "women may not belong in the kitchen but you're shit everywhere else"? That BB?

[hybrid spindle]

I'm pretty sure numbers have gone out of hands....I'm very surprised that bubbles haven't been hardcapped yet because I can't imagine how he's supposed to balance stuff with such big diversity in stats among players

[clear quartz]

forced prestige mechanic for stamps and bubbles next!

[hybrid spindle]

I'm terrified of what will happen when lava once again balances around the top 0.1%. I might actually be forced to quit if 20k of a stat are needed for w6 simply because it would take me months of grinding

[sacred verge]

20k stats is not very hard

[dapper prism]

W6 is just going to be balanced around 1T+ dmg, and honestly that's not too hard to get to now.

Maybe even only 500b+

[hybrid spindle]

I'm pretty sure you guys underestimate how your endamge "progress" has snowballed

[sacred verge]

1T dmg is easy

[dapper prism]

Also all of this could easily just be balanced by an unlockable that gives you X dmg,

[edgy osprey]

Good joke mate

[hybrid spindle]

it started slowly in w2, increased with w3 and only got bigger the more worlds we got

[clear quartz]

im still fully expecting something like 5th stat being added at some point and it just being something like armor penetration or weirding or presience or whatever

[cerulean hemlock]

me who just hit 1.1B damage today;

[sacred verge]

1T dmg for real is not that hard

[rugged token]

if he follows the track he's been on with other world releases most everyone who has been in w5 for a month will have enough to start pushing w6

[edgy osprey]

Good joke mate

[dapper prism]

Imagine a new unlock in W6 that gave you + 1T dmg, it would rubberband everyone on the low side, but anyon ehigh wouldnt really gain much out of it

[signal crypt]

Anyone up for a party for the last pumpkin quest (The Afterparty)?

[hybrid spindle]

how does that change anything if we went from endgamers having double the damage of an average "pleb" while you now have several digits more?

[bold quiver]

and unfortunately he could fix the bubble dispairity problem with just allowing people's storage cap going above 1050M

[dapper prism]

Esececially now with equinox 1T is essentially what, like 500b if even

[lyric sequoia]

Might want to check some endgame people who are not all that far off 1Q damage, if they haven't made it there yet already

[edgy osprey]

I don't care

[bold quiver]

at least that would help the vast majority if players that cant hourly click bubbles. So they are forever stuck ion progressiong

[sacred verge]

yeah its almost too easy

[dapper prism]

1T vs 20T won't do much. and obviously you will always have the outliers with 500T or 1Q but you cant balance a game around the 2-3 people who are that high (Qs)

[sacred verge]

people saying 1T is hard just havent put enough into it yet and think its harder than it is

[dapper prism]

They'll just simply have mk.

[bold quiver]

u guys might not realize this, but the game is insanely well balanced for a new player account

if u wanna hop into the game, play through w1 to w5 andbeat its boss, its such a great balancing, u'd be surprised

[dapper prism]

Dominos more and more, especially with things like crystal steak, eclipse, or even now equinox dmg that's an easy passive thing

[bold quiver]

there are no crazy power spikes nor anything, its very chil

[lyric sequoia]

The full endgamers have always had way, way more than double the damage of the average person anyway so that's not really a factor

[sacred verge]

yup

[hybrid spindle]

but lava is doing exactly that. lava has never balance his stuff around the average player. He always looks at the highest players and goes from there. Lava certainly looked at an end-end-endgame player that stockpiled like 10k keys and thought: "Great, so 6k keys for a quest seems like a reasonable amount." 😂

[bold quiver]

every new world u always hit with a new progression wall, ´pretty good

[lyric sequoia]

And the only time Lava has tried to DPS check endgame was with rift, which he underestimated then too

[sacred verge]

its a good thing stuff is balenced a little bit towards the end gamers. it makes content last a little bit

[hybrid spindle]

pay-wall -> hit with a new pay-wall 👀

[bold quiver]

hahaha the game is extremely F2P friendly also

[sacred verge]

balancing around "noobies" just makes the content rushed and we get no fun

[bold quiver]

last time i got from w1-w5 in 12 days f2p

[dapper prism]

Only non f2p friendly thing is auto loot

[hybrid spindle]

those two are not mutually exclusive. the only thing necessary is scaling

[lyric sequoia]

It's hilariously off base to say that lava checks endgame before gauging the difficulty of content

[narrow sable]

i feel like ive hit a huge wall in gaming after getting the log
how do i bridge that gap to 375k

[bold quiver]

every pack is only to min max your acc, or give u an earlier advantage, but they are completely unecessary

[edgy osprey]

Isn't that basically necessary for all active classes?

[rugged token]

content scaling is probably the most awful mmo mechanic i've ever experienced

[safe harness]

i think mine is 124, big same man

[bold quiver]

and as everyone know, u can infinite farm gems later anyway, so u will buy whole gem shop if u put effort into it

[dapper prism]

well yes, but also been "claimed" that itll become obtainable ingame for free somehow somewhere someday..

[edgy osprey]

You mean like all the other things lava has claimed? Thanks for having my hope dead

[dapper prism]

And the game is an idle game, you can clearly and easily play the game afk/offline like an idle game, and tons of content online. And it's only "fair" to have some purchase to get the full game in some way

[lyric sequoia]

Round 2 of pets will surely have it, and definitely wont be on 1 of the pets that costs at least $60 on average to get

[edgy osprey]

But hey, at least he can make a quick buck off of people now

[dapper prism]

If you hate everything so much, why even be here?

[hybrid spindle]

lava has said a lot of stuff over the years....I have long stopped believing it. If he keeps his word, great. If not, what can I do? Nothing...

[sacred verge]

w6 shop gonna be green gems to combat that 😛

[rugged token]

doomer moment

[edgy osprey]

DK is an active class, ES too, straight up: some of the best if not necessary classes are active and worthless without auto loot

[hybrid spindle]

that's the problem... The art is great, mechanics are unique but that's where the good points of the game end :/ But unfortunately that's enough because there's nothing comparable I could escape to

[dapper prism]

And you expect someone investing years of their time to not charge for something. 5 bucks isnt much in nearly any economy. To basically "unlock the full game" potential

[lyric sequoia]

eehhhhhhhhhhh that was before gem packs contained considerable account wide buffs

Meant to quote the message after that 1, my bad

The "you'll get everything in the shop via grinding anyway" one

[edgy osprey]

No, I expect them to either charge me at download or don't trick me into buying it. Because it only becomes necessary 3 worlds in and at that point sum cost kicks in

[signal osprey]

Friendly reminder that 2 weeks from now we will have a long streak of good chips available in the rotation with every doubler appearing at least once between November 1st and mid january as well as a few other useful jewels and chips. Start saving mats now if you arent confident in your ability to farm them quickly

[edgy minnow]

I almost soloed grandfrogger 4th lvl 😭😭😭😭

I literally needed 3 more hits or so

[lyric sequoia]

Sir have you never played a F2P MTX filled game before? Idleon isn't a special snowflake

[hybrid spindle]

okay thats just wrong. We get more and more mechanics that actually PUNISH you for being afk. This game has always wanted you to be active and that's where idle and MMO collide :/ Calling a necessary mechanic for active gameplay reasonable while basically everything forces you to play actively is just a shrewd buisness model.

[dapper prism]

without pvp, proper ingame grouping combat like raids (thats based on your stats, not like dg) or anything competitive/coop wise, leaderboards etc. those bundle buffs are still not going to affect others or you vs others. They arnt a necessaty. Having extra DR is great, but it wont flip your gameplay like auto loot would.

[dapper prism]

the game isnt even an mmo to be fair

If then it would be perhaps considered as an MUD

Based on the number of players you see or are able to interact with.

[edgy osprey]

In these games, at least just in theory, I can get the same shit without paying. Are they heavily p2w? Of fucking course. But come on, stop fooling yourself. If you have to buy it, it's not f2p anymore. And you need to buy auto loot if you don't want to look at the game every few minutes. That's the opposite of f2p

[hybrid spindle]

I wouldn't be surprised if lava even liked that. Because now he has the justification to introduce money-only things like green gems. He could have simply limited the amount of tickets you can get. Which makes keys a limited resource and with it gems. But no, he chose the way that will most certainly make him the most money

[lyric sequoia]

You've never played mobiles games before if that's what you think

Nor did you ever see the controversy around Star Wars Battlefront 2

[hybrid spindle]

What does MUD stand for?
And unfortunately it tries to be though. It was always planned to interact with peoplea nd dungeons do that in some way but it's annoying that you're being forced to and the way it's done is clunky. Same for quests that require other players. Honestly, I'd rather have none of that and not call it an MMO altogether ^^

[edgy osprey]

I have. I just don't bother remembering it, because I don't see a point in that....

[lyric sequoia]

"You can unlock Vader by just playing the game! All you gotta do is grind exclusively for that character for 40 hours and it's al lyours, then you can move onto the next character!"

[edgy osprey]

You can just admit you're all up the devs ass you know

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-mcrib-mcrib-is-back-commercial-fast-food-gif-23826757

[lyric sequoia]

"No we didn't make the orcs in Shadow of War harder to obtain normally to push out lootboxes, just ignore the fact that we had to completely overhaul that system to make them far easier after removing lootboxes in an attempt to get good PR when lootbox bad was trending!"

[lyric sequoia]

What? TIL mocking these greed-driven games is being all up the devs ass, just because I know they exist

[rugged token]

no point trying to rationally argue with people who've formulated their opinion based on a few sticking points rather then the whole of the game

[signal osprey]

If chat gets too feisty I'll have to pull out the AI generated pics again

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/mandalorian-baby-yoda-grogu-gif-21187250

[rugged token]

no matter how much proof or evidence you could/can bring to the table it's not going to sway their opinion

[sacred verge]

id love to see some

[signal osprey]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message Careful what you wish for

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[dapper prism]

MUD is what was before an MMO. It's a multi user dimension/domain/dungeon. It's when single RPG's turned into the first group things, where you could see and play with multiple other people. Often limited to several or a "few" dozen people on a single area.

Even Runescape used to be an MUD before Runescape classic (aka DeviousMUD)

An MMO is a massively Multiplayer online game, revering to very large number of players on the same server/area.
It's a fine line obviously, and IdleOn could be considered either i guess, especially since the MUD genre is barely referred to any games anymore and always labeled as MMO, but without trading or any proper interaction besides having 5-10 people dungeon/event boss is it really able to be considered massive?
There's no actual competition ingame either, no Leaderboards, so any of the "Bundles" or purchases are purely p2progress, not p2w. The only thing necessary remains to be "auto loot".

[lost depot]

Why's he wearing dress shoes lmao

[lost depot]

MUD is like Warframe, Destiny, Spiral Knights then?

[sacred verge]

id like to see more

[lost depot]

Also Idleon is a MUD for sure

[lyric sequoia]

Warframe blurs the line a little since they technically can support a fairly large number of people in a single instance

[lost depot]

They removed raids ages ago though idk if you ever go above 4 players anymore?

[lyric sequoia]

Most of the zones don't have a lot, but if you've been in the tennocon terminals before you'll know there's capacity to have 100s of people in the same instance if they really wanted

[lost depot]

I guess that is sufficient people to be considered massive

[lyric sequoia]

It's a purely "well technically" sorta thing though which is why they blur the definition slightly. If you go by the regular content in the game then it's simply a multiplayer game

[dapper prism]

Not sure of eithter of their instances or server stuff.
Back in the day MUD's were usually text based because graphics wernt much of a thing until games like Meridian 59 or UO. RS is essentially a copy of Meridian 59 if you check their UI and stuff besides that it was more 1st person from what i recall. Still they called themselves an MUD. Keep in mind all these things are/were pre 2000's then wow came out and things like that and everything became an MMO

[lost depot]

Yeah having 100s of people in an instance is an exception rather than the norm for Warframe

How can there be zero people looking for party dungeon right now?

[fading plover]

i used to play heavily into some muds, they were pretty fun

[lost depot]

There should really be a specific term for these dungeon-instanced MMOs, like DE just made another one called Pathfinder

I wonder what we should call them

[dapper prism]

OMDs ? xD
Online multiplayer dungeons?

[lyric sequoia]

multiplayer games ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dapper prism]

(could rearrange it to whatever ig)

[mystic jasper]

Has anyone achieved lv300 construction? It seems take forever

[lyric sequoia]

You could say that

[dapper prism]

yes, people are at 1k+

[signal osprey]

[dapper prism]

2 squires on board, maximize everything on XP cogs, everything needs XP

and stop using just basic BR cogs

[lyric sequoia]

Contract over here with a whole extra digit on me, god damn

[dapper prism]

If you need more info, scroll around yesterdays lengthly chat:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[mystic jasper]

Did you guys just keep re-rolling the cogs everyday?

[signal osprey]

Build rate gains per level get better at higher levels. Its kinda like quick slap

[lyric sequoia]

I click the button until it can't be clicked once per day and replace any high exp % cogs that appear

Cog clicker too boring for me, I got way better things to mindlessly grind in FF

[wide bolt]

can someone say me how this is possible

[dapper prism]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1034167878775222333/1142954072933146644/Doing_good_at_poing.gif

[dapper prism]

Try empty server in an empty zone like mining

[undone steeple]

is there a good vman speed run guide around?

[dapper prism]

#1084911530417606656

[wide bolt]

ok thx

[undone steeple]

is that one not outdated?

20/05 is really when it came out right

[dapper prism]

Not much added besides like.. divine gear

[misty spindle]

how do you freeze frame?

[undone steeple]

nah i just thought people discovered more optimal runs

[undone steeple]

freeze frame means that game lags the shit out of you and you lose everytime

[lyric sequoia]

Finallly remembered to roll for the equinox fish vial, casually doubles my build rate unlocking it nbd

[misty spindle]

I missunderstood what he meant

[dapper prism]

There isnt much of a best run, there's so many variables to take into account. When I was low dmg and followed the one in #1084911530417606656 it went damn terrible because my dmg and mk talent didnt work out for that path well enough. I found better routes. later on with more dmg it worked better. then it becomes semi irrelevant. It's too situational tbh

[hybrid spindle]

That's where the discord comes into the picture. Most mechanics are convoluted enough that I need to check them somehow, or what affects what. Additive, or muliplicative and such. So everyone that properly tries to min-max will join the discord to get faster answers and gets more progress faster and there's competition in every channel. Just seeing others way ahead of you is already a form of motivation. There's no need for leaderboards, especially when there are so many ways to compete aside from damage. Just a single bubble has infinite room for competition - not to mention the hundreds of different stats/bonuses we have.
You can call it p2progress instead of p2w but to take an example here, that's like a lawyer working in bad faith. It's frowned upon and will cost you your reputation but it's not illegal.
Just like this might not be strictly p2w but in a game where active play is highly incentivized, auto loot is a necessity just like doot is for everyone who tries to compete with the top brass. You can always say no but that doesn't change that it's a cold-hearted business decision to encourage one, that automatically encourages something else and that ultimately makes most people spend money. That's no longer something done for the player.
Devs and players depend on each other but when one takes advantage of the other and tries to manipulate them, then I take that very heavily. Especially when it comes from someone with a specific standpoint against selling out and p2w (if I may just call it so for arguments sake) and then turns around, burns that to the ground and says fuck it I want the money ^^ That's as hypocritical as it gets.
I ended up here on accident but stayed because this was no corporate business that had to satisfy shareholders and whatnot where I had to expect pricey updates/bundles. No, this was a solo dev I liked to support even if the bundle was useless because he didn't try to rip me off.

[dapper prism]

ty 4 reminder, forgot to check on equinox o.o

[hybrid spindle]

have fun reading

[lyric sequoia]

Holy wall of text batman

That's a hard skip

[last gulch]

mucho texto

[undone steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/schmidt-novel-text-message-text-message-gif-3544541

[hybrid spindle]

Sad times you're most certainly all too young to have seen my IdleOn legend :/

[lyric sequoia]

Not sure anyone asked tbh

[hybrid spindle]

Now **that **was a wall of text ^^

[lyric sequoia]

(big jokes innit)

[signal osprey]

Someone give me the tldr

[dapper prism]

Doot Rant and game is competitive because of discord.

[signal osprey]

Sounds like a skill issue

[elfin cape]

I cba to read what he said, but it's probably this?

||Yeah. It blows my mind. Like we get that you guys don't get enough respect IRL or w/e but why bring your negative shit in here? You aren't "gatekeeping" anything, you are just being a jerk. Not just that comment but consistently every day I see losers trying to tear other people down on here to make themselves feel cool. If someone accomplishes something like reaching W5 and posts about it instead of cheering them on it's "". It doesn't make you look cool. I promise||

[hybrid spindle]

might be

[dapper prism]

I hate the

[lyric sequoia]

I see I post

[signal osprey]

The pinchy is the best part of not having doot tbh

It gives me a buff that makes my pinchy stronger against doot owners

[hybrid spindle]

negative we can argue about but the rest has nothing to do with my message ^^

[elfin cape]

I have no idea, too much text

[lyric sequoia]

Can't hear you over the sound of my big money

[elfin cape]

I thought it was this copy pasta

[hybrid spindle]

That's alright. Just telling that your assumption is wrong ^^

[signal osprey]

Cant hear you over the sound of my dootless 2b oak samples

[lyric sequoia]

Sounds like an L non-money haver to me

[signal osprey]

I could by doot its a conscious choice not too

[azure spindle]

I don't even care about the doot bonuses, I just want my characters to be freed from lab

[signal osprey]

I dont support gambling

[hybrid spindle]

I'm pretty sure most people could afford doot

[signal osprey]

If he released a bundle with doot then sure but the green gem companion system is bullshit and I'm standing by that

[fathom lagoon]

Me neither, I just partake in it

[hybrid spindle]

theoretically you can free them ^^ Just need 6 chars with bear

[lyric sequoia]

(hello I am here making a joke, I clearly don't think I am actually superior because I paid for 2 doots in an attempt to get that FUCKING SLUG, just to get it on week 2 free roll)

[azure spindle]

I mean that's freeing people from lab at the cost of not having divinity so really just trading skills

[dusty heron]

Atari 2500 skills ccoming in handy

[hybrid spindle]

well, for the information I had I still think that's an appropriate answer 🤷‍♂️

[signal osprey]

The real L is all the people who think doot means there characters dont sit in lab anymore when in reality half of them are still better off there anyway

Lab is the ultimate idleon endgame and always will be

[lyric sequoia]

Gotta have dignity in the first place to lose it

[hybrid spindle]

Explanation pls, I don't get that

Why would you put them in lab when a divinity already does that for you?

[azure spindle]

I think you might have misread lol

[lyric sequoia]

Those lab character eventually have nothing else to other than go back in lab, it just gives you the ability to slightly speed up things like eclipsing if you're not candying it all

[signal osprey]

Because arctis doesnt give you div exp and having characters running around in random worlds also doesnt level shrines and late game you just dont have much for them to do anyway so half your characters might as well level div and shrines while just waiting for W6

Like you can leave lab but theres nothing waiting for you outside

[dapper prism]

Btw, i never vouched or would argue that either auto loot or doot were implemented good in any way.
The game 100% needed a doot type mechanic to open up your alts from "leave 5-6 of your alts afk" to "i can now use all my alts again".
But definetely other implementations even a (what i hate but ill say it) a battle pass with tier skips. e.g. 100x days/dailies. F2p gets it in 3 months+, p2p can spend the 100(s) to insta get it. with the rewards along the way. Even just adding pet shard system and a pet market to purchase pets with destroyed shards coulda been nicer.

Auto loot shouldnt be pay gated nowdays. since the game has enough other monetization compared to when i assume it first came out based on w1-2 gemshop items. But also if i see someone play this game for 100's of hours but they say they cant "waste the 5 bucks" on the game, then maybe their irl decisions should be re-prioritized in some ways.

This game is still a "mobile" type game, and we all know how freemium games work, it's normalized (not that its great but it is what it is). A dev needs to be paid for their time and service and this game honestly has a ton of content. Like way more content then nearly any other app game i've seen, plus it's very unique unlike the 99% reskins of other games out there. All of that essentially for free to try and enjoy, except for auto loot.

[signal osprey]

Just go back in the tube where you belong

[dapper prism]

Wall of text 😄

[lyric sequoia]

Fuck me wall of text 2

Meet hard skip 2

[last gulch]

I got here to ask about where to spend my 100k ladles but you are all talking about doot

[dapper prism]

TLDR2: Doot was necessary but not well implemented (in terms of how to obtain it). Auto loot costing money made sense early on when it was w1-2 based on gemshop items back then but no longer with present monetization.

[lyric sequoia]

"at the cost of dignity"? That just means it's free if you never had dignity in the first place

[signal osprey]

Lets not pretend like any of us have dignity. If we did we wouldnt be here

[sick sentinel]

[dapper prism]

Contract, is anyone working on the new TD meta setups for all worlds?

[azure spindle]

dude, I literally never said dignity, was talking about the divinity skill and what you're saying has a completely different meaning

[last gulch]

[sick sentinel]

i did a mix with different speed/efficiency meal on each table

idk if thats the play but what i did

[last gulch]

yeah a split is probably better, cabbage + others

[dapper prism]

Fast meals on low kitchen, slow meals on fast kitchen

[signal osprey]

I'm pretty sure every TD already has its "best" setup figured out. If you mean guides specifically I know pancake has been working on some but hes too busy to knock them all out at once

[lyric sequoia]

Divinity, dignity, same difference

[azure spindle]

I'm pretty sure the kraken and poison setup was just made better with equinox update

so probably same meta

[sick sentinel]

sorta same, just with more kraken and speed on parties

[lyric sequoia]

There's been a few posts in endgame about the different setups that pushed them into wave 200+ for a lot of the TDs, I'm sure asking them will yeild results

At a guess though it's just an extension of "eventually replace most of your towers with krakens and wait for equinox to ramp"

[azure spindle]

if you use 2 frozen towers one wiht AAA and other BBB does it compound them or count as seperate debuffs? or does it just apply the first one and ignore the second?

[dapper prism]

You wouldnt need a BBB

Since the meta is an AAAA with krakens, more parties are on AAAA now and it basically perma blocks the mobs. kinda thing

[azure spindle]

I would usually use BBB since guide recommended but I realized that A side probably better

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/VovPzAp.png

[azure spindle]

ah see that confirmed my idea there neat

[dapper prism]

Before equi the Party had more B's for dmg, now you dont really need that early on anymore. So more Reloads = for those krakens

afaik

And by the time a mob leaves the first frozen and is no longer frozen, it gets hit by the 2nd frozen on the efet

[signal osprey]

The reason freeze run A over B now is because the meta shifted to double frozone so the entire bottom platform is always in range of at least 1 tower. With 1 tower the old ABBB is still better

[azure spindle]

yeah hadn't thought about it before but makes sense

[signal osprey]

But there is no TD strat currently that only runs 1 freeze anymore so thats obsolete now

[azure spindle]

does kraken really want more A over B now? I feel like having further push distance with extremely slow enemies would be better. Has anyone tested it?

[signal osprey]

Kraken has always wanted A over B thats not new

[sick sentinel]

you missed the height of endgame talk becoming td-chat for a good week or so

[azure spindle]

yeah I don't check endgame too often since I'm assuming it's a bit beyond me still atm

[signal osprey]

Yeah a solid week straight of people memeing me for making everyone in end game chat listen to my TED Talks

[sacred verge]

im just waiting for ur AI pics

[sacred verge]

This looks like a paint pic

not AI generated, as i was promised

[clear quartz]

better TD talk than CD talk

[hybrid spindle]

I agree with pretty much all of it including the 5 buck example although I'm also one of those that simply doesn't like spending money on mobile games. In that sense, doot is even better than auto loot because despite being broken, it's not as necessary as auto loot.

What I don't understand is how it's worth destroying most or all of the goodwill you had in your community for one pack or something like companions. A little tweak here and there could have worked wonders and this is a decision that might affect him long-term, so pretty risky from my point of view.

[signal osprey]

Here have sleeveless vader on his smart phone. Thats nice and awful

[sick sentinel]

he just like me fr

[sacred verge]

lovely

[clear quartz]

not enough jerky arms

needs to look like dark souls hollow

[sick sentinel]

can you do vader playing disc golf

[sacred verge]

vader playing idleon

[sick sentinel]

is this vader chat now

[clear quartz]

in-vaders

[azure spindle]

if you use a silver stopwatch just after reset can you move it to just before reset and get another reset?

[signal osprey]

So the AI really seemed to struggle with disc golf

I tried to just have him holding a frisbee instead and it decided he also needed a suit and tie for reasons I cant explain

[twin hare]

Show

[sacred verge]

can we get these pinned?

[signal osprey]

Thats not for me to say but if I had to guess I would assume no

[sacred verge]

lol yeah i guess not

[sick sentinel]

this is enough, thank you i feel blessed

[sacred verge]

sadly

[dapper prism]

which one are you using? I really loved clipdrop but they just turned to pay-only :/

[signal osprey]

I usually use pixai but they dont offer many free uses each day

When those uses run out I use yodayo but its not nearly as good imo

Thats the one I'm on now which is probably why we have suit and tie frisbee vader

[rugged token]

no, it's a 24h countdown so when your reset happens it sets it to 24h again.

[azure spindle]

ah rip, was hoping for cheese. thanks for answer

[errant star]

I want to cry, I accidentally hit harvest all with 15 chemical plants ready

[tacit tulip]

big oof

I keep my shovel by the harvest all button to keep me on edge

[sick sentinel]

Psycho

[dapper prism]

Gaming while doing colo is the way to go!
https://i.imgur.com/9hva4Bq.png

even more fun is while your character moves, those kill values move back and forth

[tacit tulip]

I like how you went back to improve the screenshot

[hybrid spindle]

how difficult is it to get 2000 kills on the current maps?

[signal osprey]

Last pic for the night. You're welcome

[dapper prism]

Pretty hard if your timer isnt leveled

[tacit tulip]

frog is possible if you're already setup quite well

[hybrid spindle]

WHERE ARE THE GLOVES? 👀

[tacit tulip]

It's an imposter

[signal osprey]

They get in the way when cooking just wash your hands smh

[hybrid spindle]

how much we talkin?

[tacit tulip]

I failed with like +55 seconds and 5 respawn

1933

[hybrid spindle]

that's moths worth of killroy for me.... yay

[dapper prism]

I'm at +50s and around 6-7 respawn and got 1600+ on mammoth, still have 1 more attempt for frogs to try

[hybrid spindle]

I'm only at +26 and 0 or something so I can absolutely forget it

I just hoped that because I have never done killroy with ES, that it might be easy....but alas, it was just a dream

[signal osprey]

I'm at 100 seconds waiting for my weekly reset so I can get frog map

[dapper prism]

Why would you use ES?

[cerulean hemlock]

dies

[hybrid spindle]

I thought ES is the way to go?

[small lantern]

I accidentally hid the random event popup, is there a way to figure out where it is?

[cerulean hemlock]

Use stopwatch, remember

[tacit tulip]

well you'll get that easy. Gz!

[cerulean hemlock]

Go to player menu

then log back on the same char

it'll appear

[hybrid spindle]

I read somewhere that people are waiting for wizard and a good map, so their ES can get 2000 kills

[signal osprey]

Shouldnt work on kilroy as thats a weekly reset mechanic not daily

[sick sentinel]

Idleon toolbox dashboard also tells you the map the event is on, but the above tip is good too

[signal osprey]

Bubo not ES

[tacit tulip]

mage specifically. It's for bubo

[hybrid spindle]

So I absolutely blame that person for my mistake

[cerulean hemlock]

Ah

[hybrid spindle]

It's getting kind of problematic. All my equinox tasks are super time consuming except the Lucky Lad one....but my vman is failing me :/

[dapper prism]

mage 100% for bubo, cause insta kill everything everywhere

[signal osprey]

And because its not ES

[clear quartz]

i dont have a ton of easy ones left sadly either

need to get citric again but im miffed about the other night only killing up to 125 and bouncing, skill issue etc

[sick sentinel]

i'll be stuck on these for a while

[clear quartz]

lvl 500 i suppose is "easy", i just havent felt like idling on bubo for awhile, might also turn off the lab node for that one soon

[dapper prism]

lvl 500 on all alts is not easy at all atm

due to BB/BM

[sick sentinel]

i would say its the hardest along with 200 stacks

[clear quartz]

greenstacks is probably just gonna wait for w6, at 131 now but i only have really sucky things and random quests to track down for the most part

[dapper prism]

Rashaken made this 200+ Greenstack list:
#1162822328980361266 message

[clear quartz]

just started buying the w1 barrels but idk if thats gonna be worth hoarding

considered also hanging onto the yellow ones from post office but same thing of obnoxiousness lol

i still need to greenstack the leaves, i guess ill get that eventually when i go back to dk stuff

[dapper prism]

im mostly worried that leaves for every world are included in the list

W1 is alright, but going for the other worlds... :/

[clear quartz]

i think ive had to have spent desert leaves on stamps because idk how else w4 and w5 would be ahead of that one with how much i sat on sandpots

[pearl pebble]

should i focus on getting to the w5 boss or getting my skills up

[sick sentinel]

likely bolstering your account for previous worlds skills. the boss doesnt really offer too much unless you can do the tasks for new weapons and gear. you can come back stronger than you are now and the boss will still be there

[mystic jasper]

Which map is the best for status? The 100k drops seem quite challenging

[keen jewel]

Beans

[bold quiver]

the time it will take to start grinding greenstack things to 200 will probably be longer than time for w6 release haha

[sick sentinel]

if you have the candy, use it on something like dreadlo for the tough classes (or all). make sure you have 100% eff, then max drop rate, mining speed, and afk gains

tho dk/bubo get statues pretty quick if you active beans too

[mystic jasper]

But beans don't drop any status according to the card? I am confused

[sick sentinel]

in this case it would come from crystal mobs

they are the best source of statues

helps having choco chip and good crystal spawn rate

there are some statues like the w3 skilling statues that are on the mob card and in that case you would active es or use candies

[prime lynx]

Anyone know the easiest class to solo 4th Grandfrogger?

[sick sentinel]

dk, what rank are you? at 40 you get a perk for a starting purple rng item and can roll for horn of the foal

if you can do that it is pretty ez

[prime lynx]

Rank 39, damn

[sick sentinel]

tooough haha

[prime lynx]

Well thanks though!

[sick sentinel]

maybe you can get it in 1 happy hour

[prime lynx]

Hopefully

[sick sentinel]

its probably still doable, just harder

[heavy moth]

LL back on filter

[storm linden]

should I take all my characters out of labs and put them into worship?

[paper sail]

Not making multiple?

[storm linden]

Just got ot w5

[sick sentinel]

noooo gotta prep for luckiest lad

yeah they are in div jail now

[signal osprey]

10 luckier lads or bust

[sick sentinel]

check out the 4th or 5th pin in this channel for a breakdown of early divinity

[heavy moth]

hope if luckiest lad come out it wont be more than 10 of those ahah

[paper sail]

I feel like I want at least 2 ll. One for active farm when I don't need the Divine damage, one for Vman skill card farming

[heavy moth]

they vacum all bag space for nothing XD

[signal osprey]

75 lucky lads for luckier lad and then 75 luckier lads for luckiest lad

[heavy moth]

ahhahaha would be savage

[grizzled elk]

almost there..

[cerulean hemlock]

What's after luckiest lad?

[signal osprey]

The real savage part is when luckiest lad then gets used in anvil tab 6

[paper sail]

For a miniboss summon

[heavy moth]

HAHAHAHA

farm 5625 Lucky lad per boss

not gonna ruby him

[paper sail]

Oh and you need to be in a party of 7 unique classes where everyone crafts it like super doot

[signal osprey]

One of these will be luckiest lad

[storm linden]

is there a way to check my giant counter for this week?

[heavy moth]

hope those item are gonna be worth it

[signal osprey]

New bags

[paper sail]

Not that I'm aware of

[heavy moth]

i think you might be addicted to multitooll

ahaha

[signal osprey]

Everyone should be addicted to stamps

[paper sail]

Speaking of! 40 minutes to my day reset and I get 210 multitool

[heavy moth]

dont check my IE then ahahahha

[signal osprey]

12k soon

[heavy moth]

not even 10K reach yet cause well im lazy

[storm linden]

I found out u can check ur giant chance at bottom of stats if u have the prayer equipped. So I can check the wiki to see what odds it matches to know what number 😉

[signal osprey]

No because that doesnt account for the giant bubble

The only way to know how many giants you've spawned is if you have the shimmer trial that asks for giant kills

[storm linden]

OOo I just unlocked my 10th character slot 17 levels ago

I forgot who to choose lmao

I think Elemental Sorcerer for 10th, since got blood berserked, 2 divine knights, 1 beast master, 2 siege breakres, 1 bubonic conjurer, 1 elemental sorcerer and 1 void walker

[paper sail]

I thought that only counted times the cost increased, ignoring big game Hunter too

But I was more thinking about how to calc odds after bonuses, because the wiki only lists base odds before vial mastery and such

[sick sentinel]

i have teh trial, can check what im at after my cc

[signal osprey]

Pretty sure its just giant kills. Getting 25-30 on it is pretty easy and the base rate for your 30th giant is 1/269m and theres no way you're getting that normally even with the vial/shrine

[paper sail]

Ah. Alright, whoever told me that was a filthy liar

I haven't had the trial myself to see numbers

[signal osprey]

I mean I dont know for sure but it doesnt seem like the math is mathing on that claim lol

And I've had that trial twice and both times my numbers seemed like it counted total kills

[sick sentinel]

i have 10 at 15.5k rn

[void pulsar]

anyone have an info graphic for sampling?

[sick sentinel]

theres a sampling checklist in #1084911530417606656

[void pulsar]

thank you 🙂

[dapper prism]

and else along here: (missing kattle scarf)
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[full cobalt]

is this bugged

[dapper prism]

got to do it manually

[full cobalt]

oooo

ty

[cerulean hemlock]

Please no

[dapper prism]

For the Food picnic trophy, can i do the quest daily on all alts? Can they share progress? e.g. 10x alts a day = 30 things after 3 days to get the trophy?

and it always starts at the frog leg/bean slice spot?

Im going to cry...

I accidentally deposited my statues 😦

[crisp silo]

The greenstack?

[dapper prism]

Just cleaning up storage, stamps and stuff..

Not fully yet, but was on the way to greenstack 😦

https://i.imgur.com/fdP2cy7.png

IE didnt update it yet xD

[crisp silo]

[hardy quarry]

I got Larry to 101% am I an endgamer now?

[dapper prism]

Statue levels went zooming
https://i.imgur.com/RCtLrQQ.png

Still like 15-20m statues deposited by accident sucks 😦

Damn muscle memory when doing stamps and cleaning stuff up xD

Shop runs and everything

[vagrant mountain]

at least the deposit all bug got fixed

[dapper prism]

It's from storage, so shoulda been fine either way

[hardy quarry]

Just imagining you flying over in a C-130 and the back door just slowly coming open, spilling sunlight into the interior of the plane, and literal tons of statues just come pouring out all over Blunder Hills

[fathom lagoon]

Is the divine scarf the tooth necklace basically? Is it easier to grind normal or chaotic for that?

[vagrant mountain]

nightmare

[dapper prism]

Nightmare for cape quest for trophy 😄
But technically normal will be rough, slow and long but think best in terms of keys per neck due to getting keys back

[fathom lagoon]

Eh I’m at 2b dmg idt I can do nightmare

[vagrant mountain]

then honestly not much point farming for neck because you can't make scarf lol

[fathom lagoon]

Ah ok so that tooth necklace is not the divine scarf

[vagrant mountain]

it gets made into scarf

[fathom lagoon]

Gotcha and I’m assuming that’ll replace chizoars scarf as far as bis goes?

[vagrant mountain]

yes

[fathom lagoon]

Preciate it

It’s like 500b recommended to do nightmare right lol

[vagrant mountain]

more like 100b

[dapper prism]

depends on class, 30-60b, but 100b makes it easy

200b for vman afk

[fathom lagoon]

Ah ok, maybe in a couple weeks then

Or a month or 2, but eventually lol

[hybrid spindle]

I filled one of my chars with multikill obols but considering the amount of multikill we have by now, they are pretty much useless. Any suggestions what I should substitute them with aside from DR?

[vagrant mountain]

DR is best, I have like 8 sets

[hybrid spindle]

👀 Where do you even store your skilling obols then?

[vagrant mountain]

I don't use skilling obols they suck

[hybrid spindle]

now that's one way to go about it

[vagrant mountain]

just kruk and slush

[hybrid spindle]

I do have slush but no kruk

what's the kruk bonus? also skilling efficiency?

[vagrant mountain]

afk gain

[hybrid spindle]

how much?

[vagrant mountain]

up to 6%

[hybrid spindle]

so 5 base and reroll into 6 i assume

[vagrant mountain]

yes

[hybrid spindle]

that's huge

4 such obols are 24% 👀 time for lava to release a chip that doubles obol effects ^^

now the only problem is getting them

I'm not sure if that's an argument for or against this ^^

eyyyyy, don't make me look like I'm talking to myself

I saw that!

[swift saffron]

I saw it too.

nod nod

[spice meadow]

Mweheheh

[signal osprey]

Surely this colo will be the one that finally drops a 72 hour

[cerulean hemlock]

Drops a 24 hour

[signal osprey]

1, 2, & 4

Surely next colo

[vocal thunder]

Yo... Is the stat overload star talent working for anyone else?

[hybrid halo]

I`m out of tickets, can I borrow some?

[hybrid halo]

https://tenor.com/view/pete-the-deer-datsun-datsy-foxclaw-pete-gif-25319324

[hybrid halo]

Yes

[vocal thunder]

Oh with me it's not giving the +300 str, agi, wis, luk. On my other presets it's fine

[hybrid halo]

I checked and did a star talent reset, stats went down and up putting points in it

[vocal thunder]

Oh then I guess my game is just bugged 😂

[manic moat]

I'm curious why my nitrogen has a higher cap and seems to be filling faster. what am I missing?

[hybrid spindle]

How do I trigger the efaunt armor/obol achievement? I'm sitting in the w2 town with all of it but I'm not getting it

[manic moat]

sometimes achievements are slow.

[hybrid spindle]

meaning? more world switching or just waiting?

[clear quartz]

maybe cloud save

[manic moat]

for those, I would do things like throw them all on the ground and pick them back up and equip them, I'd leave to game, all kinds of stuff.

[clear quartz]

4 days left til sigil speed sigil done, woo

[worn sonnet]

Is the nitrogen vial higher?

[vagrant mountain]

only took like 2 months

[manic moat]

water is barely higher, just can't find where the cap is affected

did you switch from mobile to PC?

[amber goblet]

so with the Bunny god, i can link it then sample, and then change back to bear without having to reset samples?

[frozen prairie]

it doesn't originally 3x your sample, it 3x-s the sample after you've taken it

[amber goblet]

gotcha okay

[frozen prairie]

there's no point to linking to the bunny god TO sample

afterwards tho 😄

[amber goblet]

gotcha, thank you!

[granite grove]

snehebatu best for sampling, then harriep best for printing

[amber goblet]

and then just to make sure

if i pull doot (since i have my free rn) does that mean all gods even non unlocked ones are insta linked

as long as im at div 2

[granite grove]

yes, except for Purmepp which you need at least 1 linked

[chrome tiger]

almost there

[surreal girder]

how do you get that much liquid @chrome tiger

[sour oasis]

I have two chizoar scarfs with an extra slot and +12 LUK. Posting results of slamming them with kruk stones soon

[clear quartz]

got a new nug, yay 1mil life

[sour oasis]

3/5 success

(other one had 4 fails 1 success)

Ultimate gamble is kruk stones on divine gear but im not brave enough for that

[chrome tiger]

lab jewel plus cooking bonus mostly

[amber goblet]

ugh was so close to getting doot

had back to back slugs

[chrome tiger]

does mob respawn on gear affect killroy?

1549 on mammooths.. not gonna be close

[sick sentinel]

Have u done frogs yet? Its better

[chrome tiger]

i'll try frogs

[sick sentinel]

Do some manual movement to spread poison and it starts ramping up in the last half

[chrome tiger]

nice

[clear quartz]

i need to work on my seconds more, i think i only have like 40

+4 to respawn tho

[sour oasis]

this guys being doing his weekly kilroys for a long time

almost 1.5 years

[weary citrus]

[clear quartz]

noice

[chrome tiger]

gotta get those arcade balls

[clear quartz]

ball is life

[white cipher]

is their a boat set up for after you get all the artifacts? like what Islands you should be still getting stuff from

[dire raptor]

You have all artifacts + eldritch?

[white cipher]

no but I was just thinking about it for the future i hadn't seen any optimal charts and maybe I could like focus on one island to elimiate it

like an island where u dont need the mats

[naive shard]

how to get quicker mining speed?

[brave umbra]

bigger arms

[naive shard]

huh

[crisp silo]

Food boost and food booosts boosts

Like bonuses to boost the food boost

So that the food boosts get a bigger boost

[burnt moth]

when making gear for my bubo, you generally want to use stones to raise agility for more accuracy, right?

[crisp silo]

Most ppl just boost wis cause acc is not a prob after a while

If u having acc problems, go upgrade shaquarcy

[burnt moth]

hhmmm. My shaq is level 38 but only at like 20k accuracy

[dapper prism]

Anyone know the base time/seconds for killroy without levels in it?

[dapper prism]

Bubbles being 38 in w5 means you need to work a lot lot lot more on alchemy

[burnt moth]

well I just got to w5

[snow light]

if i am looking for just straight skill exp would it be better AFK or active AFK? (talking about stuff like catching fishing chopping and things like that)

[dapper prism]

Technically active is a little more afaik, but it is NEVER worth it.

[crisp silo]

Just afk it, not worth to active skilling

[dapper prism]

Also active = no cards.
Afk = cards. PS: you can snapshot cards and candy

[snow light]

just asking cause i need to get my Vman to the highest level amongst my guys cause i know you need like 33-35% skill exp where you can just kill crystal mobs and get skill levels

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[snow light]

yeah... fishing is my Vman bottleneck right now actually...

thank you trickz

[prisma void]

If you got a doot and hit W5 is the idea to just put everyone in lab to stack both up?

[wind umbra]

pretty sure u need to get div lvl 2 on all char first

[vapid mural]

someone help me ~~

[prisma void]

yeah i did that but for gaining the minor link levels is it a good idea? or should i be doing something else and not worrying about the minor bonuses

[wind umbra]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/827796218368360459

[wind umbra]

i would just hibernate in lab until i get all chip slots if u havent already

and get 40 div

[prisma void]

thats lvl 75 right

for lab

[wind umbra]

yea

[prisma void]

i think my highest is like 25 or something

so ill do that then

thanks!

[white cipher]

is their an objectivly best trophy or just depends

[dapper prism]

World 5 Doot companion owners:
https://imgur.com/kXkZfj9

W5 is the ideal time to backtrack and do stuff like this to name a few:
https://imgur.com/c1RhPXA

[prisma void]

appreciate that alot ❤️

[true obsidian]

does this decent dmg for vman? this is without dmg card

[gaunt shale]

is good

[true obsidian]

i'm still feel it kinda smol :< took so long to kill w5 boss

maybe i should add more Luk stat?

[gaunt shale]

normal for vman, he just a slower boy and needs more time

[gaunt shale]

if you want more dmg better to go quick slap bubble

[pearl cedar]

More dmg more better

[dapper prism]

or just fix up your account overall

[azure spindle]

is there a movement % you have to get to have full effect for quickslap and if so what is it?

[dapper prism]

200-300b should be more than enough to near afk nm kattle..

[pearl cedar]

More speed means quickslap goes harder

There is no full effect

[azure spindle]

oh so it just keeps scaling no hard cap?

neat

[gaunt shale]

just woke up hangover at friends place and the game cant even be nice to me and give me my doot, swear dumb game

[pearl cedar]

It gets silly at somepoint

Just ran a speedrun had like 56t dmg

[dapper prism]

Dont need quick slap to do good dmg

[pearl cedar]

But for vman

[azure spindle]

oh I know that, was more wondering for my vman as well

[gaunt shale]

buddha big quick slap enjoyer

[azure spindle]

honestly relateable

[pearl cedar]

But don't really need big qs for big vman dmg, just for meme

[azure spindle]

wait...

[pearl cedar]

I hope BM gets a good boost next elite class

[gaunt shale]

I really hope so too, would make me so happy

[dapper prism]

Here were some basic comparison of being able to do afk nm kattle with vman, seems around 200-300b if you maxed your fist talents
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[gaunt shale]

cant be happy until vman 1 hits nkattle with dr setup

300b too

i followed buddhas example and turnd quick slap into my new full time job

[signal osprey]

Don't need quick slap to do that though

[dapper prism]

Just saying for cape grind

[true obsidian]

how you can go talents lv 296 for vman? mine max is 256, where i can get 40 more lv?

[dapper prism]

My Vman is now at 1.5 tril+ with a 200 quickslap

[dapper prism]

missing eldritch or slug companion, atom, achievement?

[gaunt shale]

yeah but, like, imagine putting effort into actually making your acc better, when you can just make dmg number go brrr

[dapper prism]

Is your max book 245?

[true obsidian]

yes

i don't have slug

but it only 25

[signal osprey]

I think I had like 7T on my last speedrun. Thats a decent brrr

[gaunt shale]

yeh but, it could be even more brrr, do you never wonder what if ? could be 70T

[true obsidian]

what is brrr?

[signal osprey]

What's a vman gonna do with 70T damage. Hes a skiller

[gaunt shale]

just general meme, like money printer go brrr during covid

[true obsidian]

ah

brrr = printer skill

still new for this game...

[pearl cedar]

My vman likes to skill too. The 50t doesnt help too much tbh. Only an extra couple mk tiers

So maybe saves you a kill in some later maps

[signal osprey]

I've already accepted that I can't speed run so meh

[true obsidian]

my max book now is 245, and my vman max talent is 256, how i can go to 296? i don't have slug yet but it on +25, still need 15 more

[signal osprey]

I have the biggest skill issue possible in them

[pearl cedar]

That's why i pushed dmg. To ovrrcome my shit speedruns

[gaunt shale]

i keep on opening the map just a moment to early so cant tp instant cuz it wont refresh tp options while map os open

massive skill issue

[signal osprey]

Yeqh but last time I did one I had 10x more damage and gained 0 portals

I always fuck something up

[barren otter]

i want more dmg on my vman

to get to 65 portals

[true obsidian]

just one skill issue...too slow

my max now only 41, my hand too slow to quick tele

[gaunt shale]

whats highest someone has reached ? is 65 current cap ?

have barely looked into speedrun , I have enough points for important buffs and that has to be enough

[sick sentinel]

Saw someone say 68

[barren otter]

no idea

[signal osprey]

I've seen 68

[barren otter]

im stuck at 63

[signal osprey]

I'm at 58

[barren otter]

[signal osprey]

I'll try speedrunning again when I get doot

[sick sentinel]

[signal osprey]

[patent hatch]

I need doot, rift slug and crystal monster

Six beans tho so I’m winning?

[signal osprey]

Beans are true endgame anyway so you're definitely on to something

[barren otter]

i thought full eldritch and like 5x more dmg would be enough to do 60>65 but it wasnt

[patent hatch]

It’s been proven that the more beans you have the more DR you get on the map

[signal osprey]

Almost at 23x dr now farming beans

[gaunt shale]

just wait until lava makes every companion add its bonus for each one you have, got so many molti, 10B samples incomming then

[patent hatch]

That would actually be poggers

🫠

[signal osprey]

Yeah then all the whales can just keep spending money until they get like 20 slugs

[pearl cedar]

20 doots

[patent hatch]

Yeah I’m all for that yolo

[gaunt shale]

1000 lvl skills here we come

[signal osprey]

How would 20 doots even work?

[barren otter]

@signal osprey do i make it?

oh wait lmao i died already