lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[swift pecan]

Did it with like 60k power on the 4

[true obsidian]

what button?

[sour oasis]

Damn im gonna need to farm for peapod arent i

[vestal delta]

right now I'm over cap and not leveling up,

[dapper prism]

still 60k power is time gated pretty hard behind breeding level, most w5 rushers are barely even lvl 30 to 40 breeding

[vestal delta]

now I've levelled the rate

[swift pecan]

True

[pearl cedar]

Are you saying a midgame streamer didnt come up with the strat

[dapper prism]

Perhaps 👀

[clear quartz]

mr strimmer

[swift pecan]

I only called it the griffy strat because that's where I saw it

No idea who discovered it

[clear quartz]

he has a pleasing voice

[pearl cedar]

One day he'll come in here and see all the times ive called him a midgamer and talk shit about me on his stream

I've uh never ever even seen him is he any good for real?

[shy flame]

what is a griffy

[dapper prism]

what?

[slender sandal]

i miss jro making videos, he had a nice chill voice

[dapper prism]

Oh

[pearl cedar]

Jroh

[swift wharf]

Griffy pretty good I think (I have no idea what’s good advice and isn’t)

[pearl cedar]

If genchat watches him then that tells me all I need to know

[shy flame]

what is a griffy and what is their strat and what is it for

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[shy flame]

wait people stream idleon and people watch those streams?

[dapper prism]

I mean, who wouldnt love to watch my game open on auto

[heavy moth]

HAHAH

[shy flame]

I barely understand why my younger brothers watch people play active games on twitch, but I can imagine watching someone afk beans for 3 days straight

[heavy moth]

i dont think its that part they stream ahha

[dapper prism]

Honestly it's the same as people watching sports and other stuff (depending on the stream) and the entertainment if the person is actually fun or good.

like, why do people watch 20 people chasing a ball while 2 other people are sitting in their goals waiting for said ball. (football aka soccer)

[shy flame]

I don't watch sports either, I play fantasy football cause I can just watch number go up

[pearl cedar]

24/7 stream of my pc of DK at beans with 30 minutes thrown in of Bubo at wurms and hoping my vman hit a double proc of exp

[shy flame]

I feel I need to clarify now fantasy american football

I can get watching like football cause something is always happening but like watching someone else idle an idle game feels just like... what are you even doing

[pearl cedar]

Id pay to watch someone play cookie clicker

[heavy moth]

and take bet on when he white screen

[covert trail]

I need an enemy that drops power statues beside crystals

[vestal delta]

slimes, snakes, and carrots drop power statues (rare drop)
but it's just infinitely worse than crystals

[manic moat]

anyone have a screenshot of the cards they use for afk gmush?

[shy flame]

I heard a guy say once he got the power statues for onyx by doing carrots on ES for 5 days straight, so uh, that's an option? assuming no choccy chip

[twilit oyster]

60% of the way there

[vestal delta]

check gains w/ different placement of nightmare chizoar/boops/slugmas in the top left slot, assuming you have card doublers

definitely focus getting amarok doubled if you only have 1

alternatively, the all-stat chizoar can be replaced, just check if %damage is better, or base-stat

[shy flame]

even without choccy chip or card doublers?

my last test I got better results doing active carrots on ES than relying on crystals

and I was averaging like 15 statues an hour, which I know is bad, but realistically if someone doesn't have card doublers, choccy chip, etc., they're probably closer to being able to achieve what I can than what like you or trickz can

[vestal delta]

active carrots w/crystal cards?

[shy flame]

yes, before I had card doubler chips

[manic moat]

I don't have any of that but active DK on beans was faster than anything my ES could do. I'm at 40k power statues

[shy flame]

you got 40k power statues without card doubler chips or choc chip?

[manic moat]

my crystal spawn rate was like 56 to 1

[manic moat]

yeah

[shy flame]

ah, mine is closer to like 368 to 1

[manic moat]

something is wrong then

[shy flame]

I don't think anything is wrong

[vestal delta]

do you have the crystal special talent and the shrine up? 368 is really low

[shy flame]

I think that in a grind heavy game where gains mainly happen in the long run people with less play time aren't going to be on par with people who have more play time

Skipped all what

[manic moat]

My IE says

Shrine: 252
Cards:125
Stamp:81.1
Talents:116
Post Office: 39

^^ This is all for crystal

[shy flame]

w5 wasn't out when I started playing and I was very casual until after killing kattlekruk to the point I didn't know there was an option to have your characters use attacks on auto

[vestal delta]

i stalked your ie (assuming it's the same name) and it shows 173 without cards on, which isn't bad at all

[shy flame]

yeah, my first character has same name and is a BB who gets better equipment than he deserves

[vestal delta]

173 is way better than the 368 you mentioned

with cards and the post office, it should be like 80-90

[manic moat]

yeah, you put poop and genie on and you would be in good shape to DK on beans just fine

much faster than ES on carrot

[shy flame]

my first character is not the same as my DK (East Virginia)

they're all kinda focused on skilling stuff rn to make up for lost time greenstacking

[vestal delta]

DK is also 173 without any cards on or post office

[shy flame]

looking through steam history I've been playing for a little over a year

[vestal delta]

it'll be really easy to make that a reasonable crystal farmer even without doublers and chip

[shy flame]

Printing is fine but I'm trying to get the number of my greenstacks up as fast as possible

plus it feels kinda trash to sacrifice atoms to like, print maple logs when a good vman printer boost will land me literally a billion extra oak logs

[vestal delta]

put 400 points into this right now (should be easy enough at your stage to just slam 100-200 post box 1s)

and then put on genie + poop cards and you're good to go

[shy flame]

Ah, I need to get around for that for my DK but I've also but focusing on the mana box for them cooldown reductions on skills that are more or less once a day

what does a w2/w3 account look like to you

Be specific

What does the progress look like, the class levels, skilling levels, printing amount, etc.

[unborn bluff]

Is there a list ofbest quest items to greenstack?

[vestal delta]

they're actually 173 without cards but just misspoke or something

[signal osprey]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1162822328980361266

[shy flame]

I see 368 on IE for DK but he's also like... in the mines rn

[unborn bluff]

Thx

[shy flame]

@opaque sun respond to all of these

[twilit oyster]

90 %

[pearl cedar]

Not good, not good, not good, etc.

[burnt sail]

Your progress, your class levels, your skilling levels, your printing amounts

[shy flame]

You're pretty much routinely dismissive and rude every time I see you talk. I get that maybe you spent a lot on this game and feel very entitled to your opinion but you're an actively toxic person for newer players who will keep the game alive

[pearl cedar]

The only skill level to guage progress is vman trapping lvl

[vestal delta]

🍿

[signal osprey]

You have to keep in mind that every time lava updates the game it changes so the new player experience is very different now than it was for long term players. W2 progress isnt what it used to be

[pearl cedar]

Topbird always giving people advice

[signal osprey]

And its not endgamers job to keep tabs on it either

[shy flame]

Like, is it possible to just be less of a dick and maybe offer constructive criticism?

[twilit oyster]

i gauge my progress on how well my non main chaicters are doing on gear

[signal osprey]

You're asking questions that dont have a good answer though

[shy flame]

well, I also asked about printing amount, so you could've answered that instead of being a dick

[signal osprey]

Take a deep breath

[heavy moth]

finaly acknowledge to the late game

😦

[shy flame]

Thank you, is it that hard for you to comment on something you actually find useful as a measure instead of making petty comments about four other things first?

[pearl cedar]

He meant to say 1.5b for lategame

[signal osprey]

Well the thing is that answer isnt even that great of one because theres so many different factors. its really hard to quantify early game, late game etc

[pearl cedar]

I'm a midgamer too so it is good. My samples are strong 600m samples

[shy flame]

I feel like if someone is regularly commenting on what is early/mid/late game and you ask them to comment with several different possible parameters to gauge progress then maybe like, yeah, there is a good answer or they're just kind of a douche

you took the time to say like 4 douche things first so yeah, kind of

[signal osprey]

You're throwing an awful lot of insults around to be claiming other people are the douche

Its a game man

Deep breaths

[heavy moth]

was at 1.4 a month ago, no other choice to resample to get into that late game

[pearl cedar]

Thanks dickhead

[shy flame]

It's almost like there may be a repeated pattern of behavior from topbird specifically as I pointed out earlier 💀

[heavy moth]

if im looking into wiki it will be soon 2 years old im holding to that qquest ahahah

[signal osprey]

You're the one throwing out repeated insults 🤷‍♂️

[burnt sail]

Boo

[twilit oyster]

finnaly time to start the quest

[burnt sail]

Enjoy!

[shy flame]

I don't think describing someone as talking like a douche who is douchey to you four times then gets mad because they answered a question the fifth time after being douchey four times and is like "wow how ungrateful I answered the question the fifth time" is like... ehhh, that's like an accurate description

Dude do you literally not understand the difference between unconstructive and constructive criticism?

Your communication skills are bad and I would be surprised if I'm the first person to point this out to you

[swift wharf]

I think hamburgers and cheeseburgers work well with fries

[burnt sail]

Cheeseburger > hamburger

[sinful aurora]

Your hamburger lacks cheese.

[swift wharf]

Bacon cheeseburger > cheeseburger > hamburger

[sinful aurora]

Sorry that was a douchy thing to say

[burnt sail]

Thanks dickhead

[swift wharf]

We still appreciate your input

[signal osprey]

Your hamburger is very empathetic and understands the pain of cows

[deep zephyr]

Your communication skills are bad and I would be surprised if I'm the first person to point this out to you

[sour oasis]

could have just asked a question, been told your stats are bad, and go hit the alchemy gym just like everyone else

[mint remnant]

U guys eat ur hamburger with or without the pineapple

[swift wharf]

I would try that

[burnt sail]

I eat my pineapple with the burger if that's what you mean

[swift wharf]

I love pineapple on pizza

Man, pineapple is so good

[vestal delta]

a slice of kiwi is the perfect size to replace the tomato
change my mind

[vagrant mountain]

[dapper prism]

if theres pineable, it isnt a pizza

[swift wharf]

Don’t be pineableist man

[swift wharf]

Is size the only thing to look for in a replacement?

I feel like there should be more factors

[vestal delta]

yes. imagine if you put something massive in the middle of a burger...it loses all purpose

watermelon slice would not be a good burger filling, way too big

it has to be +/- 20% of the bun size, right?

[swift wharf]

I mean that’s fair

Why they always got such big pieces of lettuce on burgers

[vestal delta]

they should focus on alchemy more

[swift wharf]

I feel like they’re pushing that 20% a bit too much sometimes

They should focus alchemy

[rotund rivet]

Im still not able to do the 30secs C.Boss, what should I do? Maybe increase boss dmg stamp and crit dmg?

[crisp silo]

U have mega crit?

[swift wharf]

I have no advice but that looks nice

[rotund rivet]

stamp?

[crisp silo]

Talent

[swift wharf]

Skill issue

[rotund rivet]

owww no, where I can get one?

[crisp silo]

+400% dmg on crits >100%

[vagrant mountain]

[crisp silo]

Vip library

[swift wharf]

2?!? I gotta get on this

[crisp silo]

So like 150% crit chance is like 50% chqnce for mega crit

[rotund rivet]

thanks for this.

[vestal delta]

PS it's not from vip library, it's from dungeon flurbos 😂
have fun if your dungeon isn't up to date

hard good luck on the mega crit if you've not done much dungeon

[crisp silo]

Ehhh i dont really rmb whrre talents are from sometimes

Mb if i was wrong

[vestal delta]

that's the repression of gambling for flurbo talents

[crisp silo]

Yall dont have 4k flurbos lying around?

[vagrant mountain]

soon

[crisp silo]

How has blud fit 67 lucky lads in inv

[vagrant mountain]

you can have 80 slots

[vestal delta]

luckily it's not a 1/100 chance for action frenzy, as I vaguely recall the books being in groups of 4
e.g. level 4, 8, 12, etc. max talent level

unluckily, it's still a 1/25 chance

so again, hard goodluck

[crisp silo]

Damn didnt know that

[winged bane]

What’s achievable for ladles/day? I’m sitting at 500/day & the 100k cloud seems like 6 months away lol

[vestal delta]

I'm at 2k right now, some people have more

[winged bane]

Oh nice, if you’re 4x me I must be missing something obvious

[vestal delta]

I have 71 or 72 chows, which is probably the biggest difference

[winged bane]

Awesome thanks - looks like I need to research as there’s some room to bump up

[vestal delta]

also check your stamps, they give huge cooking efficiency

ladle stamp and multitool stamp are huge

maxing the nobisect blesing is also huge

[winged bane]

Nice, I wasn’t even thinking about gods - just bumped up to 800/day

[untold lintel]

is there a chart for the reccomended level for bubbles? like where they get to a point of taking way to many levels to level up

[clear quartz]

90% is at least the stopping point for many, but some you can just push forever if they dont have a max

[dapper prism]

thought my vman would be around 500b dmg (last time i checked i was ~250-300b.
Guess I hit 1T instead 🥳 (still with a sub 200 Quickslap and luck bubble)
https://i.imgur.com/Nu2sPay.png

Just realized im not even wearing ring

1.2t..
https://i.imgur.com/0iqwK8f.png

So happy to see my vman grow so much 😄

[zinc torrent]

[crystal tulip]

How?! 🤯 Feel like I'm end game other than alchemy pushing, and I'm at 40b. 😭

[dapper prism]

Im 1 away from full eclipse, that was my biggest change since.

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message (posted wrong link, updated it)

[crystal tulip]

Thanks. Guess I need to push eclipses more!

Been slowly doing them, but haven't prioritized.

[barren otter]

[dapper prism]

Random question, how is my Sleepin on 251?
https://i.imgur.com/vO0gg9W.png

[signal osprey]

Is it not supposed to be?

[dapper prism]

Isnt max book 245?

Like, where's the other 6 coming from

[modern plaza]

no that ones boosts from a bubble too

[signal osprey]

It has the vial talent

[modern plaza]

max base is like 310 i suppose, so like 360 with the boosted lvls

[dapper prism]

Oh right, for some reason i thought vial talent only boosted the left number xD

Also, i want to sample stillted seekers with vman in void, anyone ever get through w4? i dont mind skipping w2/3

just wondering if its even worth the try

[signal osprey]

I'm sure its possible but I haven't heard of anyone doing it yet

So definitely very hard

[dapper prism]

Damn, time to try then, recommend W1 then directly w4?

maybe use every mk talent in w4 and tp

[signal osprey]

Id just try to push W4 first to see if you even can

[dapper prism]

Was kinda thinking that amarok respawn could help on the higher w4's

to mitigate downtime

[signal osprey]

Start the fight in a boss arena and throw a coin at a boss then activate speedrun before it lands

[dapper prism]

not sure i understand that right, like what would that do?

and with boss arena you mean amarok?

[signal osprey]

It works on any boss but the idea is that you activate speedrun and then kill a boss instantly and it counts

So you still get portals and respawn

[dapper prism]

ohh activate void

for some reason i thought you meant mk

Getting close
https://i.imgur.com/UoLY53O.png

Managed to sample Stilted Seekers in void 🥳
I did go back to do w1 midway through, and sometimes between the 10s+ downtime of mk talent.
1mil sample, probably not very optimized since there was little time to change things up.
https://i.imgur.com/uPhFW6H.png

[sacred verge]

is it that hard to get to w4 end?

[formal minnow]

Gotta remember that speedrun is a short time thing, and you're trying to achieve the portals that originally took hours/days in seconds. I think a lot of people time out around w-3, like myself.

[sacred verge]

its fairly easy to go w1- w4 and a few in

just figured it would be doable to get whole w4 if u only did w4

[formal minnow]

I did not know people were reaching troll going w1-w4

[sacred verge]

whats the strat if i wanto sample stilted?

go straight for w4?

[dapper prism]

I didnt even kill troll, was getting too risky

[patent hatch]

Why have I never thought of that

I’ll be doing this tonight lol

[dapper prism]

As written above, i'd still kinda recommend doing w1

Well tbh idk how much a difference the mob respawn will make, but there is some downtime sometimes

[sacred verge]

yeah my vman sits at about 250-300 bill dmg

so im not very endgame 😛

[patent hatch]

My last full run got me to w4 chocolate

[sacred verge]

i can do something like w1 to gelantinous or whatever thyr called

thats skipping out on some side stuff tho

like rams etc

[patent hatch]

Fast hands and micro can get you far

[sacred verge]

how do you start with kruk tho?

ahhh

smart

never did that

[halcyon storm]

Wow that's some advanced tech

I might finally hit 40 portals with that haha, nice

[sacred verge]

yeah, tbh id be happy with something like 800-1 mill sample

last time i did speedrun i had midas on... lol

still got to gelantin thign

[dapper prism]

nearly did my run with midas xD

[sacred verge]

yeah i was pissed

also forgot to delete samples

....

[dapper prism]

I need to do a portal run sometime again, been a while, on 57

[sacred verge]

double stupid

i havent done a proper portal run since i was 20 bill

yeah, i did that. but it ate alot of time

didnt notice midas also before after run

but i still got like 1 mill samples so i just didnt bother redoing

yeah

[cloud tiger]

I never even thought of that lol. The amount of runs I've just swapped players cos I thought my prints were full and the run was bricked 😓

[formal minnow]

How many suggma kills is the "actual" drop time for the recipe again?

[dapper prism]

1k of the other suggma drops

1k Royal suggmas average per recipe

[modern plaza]

yeah not multikill

[keen charm]

Hey guys the berrie in gaming how many percent to get it?

The mutation

[dapper prism]

All mutation Research has diminishing returns, so you don't want to let dna go too high

Don't recall how/when berri diminishes hard but overall for any mutation research I wouldn't really hoard more than 40ish DNA genes, max like 100.

Typically the more often you click it, the better.

[lusty wedge]

I agree, it feels very odd to do, but i just researched after every gaming session (you could do it a few times per session, but its just extra work). It is the quickest way to get all plants.

Pick all your plants, research, then wait until the next time you pick your plants and repeat

[honest spoke]

Lvl 6 metal detector and 19 chems to start

Guess the cropping sucks

Started with 63k nugget and got 190k just before last Chen plant used

[potent lily]

So i can be afk

[formal minnow]

How much damn damage is required for rift 44... 75b on es only gets me to 47 kills

[dapper prism]

you doing it on the solo platform bottom left down the chain?

[carmine hearth]

It's the really tiny one

[dapper prism]

So close to being done 😄
https://i.imgur.com/Ds0ryd1.png

[crisp silo]

Then whats next mista trickz

[formal minnow]

Yes I am

[tacit tulip]

120b with most attack talents being 245 was the often quoted number

[formal minnow]

I have pumped every bit of damage I can towards him, maxed his lighting and portal, I guess I can try to max his other skills

[dapper prism]

I do need to work on more greenstacks. But more importantly want to catch up a bunch of active stuff (quest progress) on all alts which will also include greenstacking along the way ig.

Sidelines ive been active gaming a ton, since it seems like getting last superbit is now possible with the nugget equinox, thats a high prio.

[formal minnow]

Also sidenote I don't know when it happened, but my last highest damage was 30k with him, so pumping up more than double his damage is nice.

I have you're next at 245(195 max)

[crisp silo]

Tornado cause of small platform synergy

[formal minnow]

My max level is only 210 atm, I can't seem to get eldritch fury

[dapper prism]

you check sailing multiple times a day or only once/day?
if more than once, make sure u arnt using sb talent 11

[formal minnow]

I've only got enough books stored up to get one maxed, you think that's the best choice to max and then try again?

[formal minnow]

I check like once every 8 or so hours, but I've got the filter set up for the gold chests after I spent like a month and half not getting it from the wooden chests

[dapper prism]

more relevant part is, you removed SB talent 11?

[formal minnow]

Yes

[sweet pine]

Drop chance cards actually giving more mats than multi-kill cards, dang that's new for me

[crisp silo]

What

[formal minnow]

I used my books and just kinda went for some all around upgrades, then respeced and threw the points into them, and now somehow my damage is lowe

But I did get the tab2 leftmost second row to 244

[frigid sundial]

Best character to farm W3 statues?

[dapper prism]

See Pins

[frigid sundial]

Ty

[dapper prism]

Yay! My Eclipse is finally completed! 🥳
https://i.imgur.com/QMoeRxS.png

[true obsidian]

Hmm..does the bonus liquid cap from Equinox work? for me it seem not working, my liquid cap still the same after 5 hours active

[potent maple]

i'm still working on red skulls and i'm not new 🤣

[potent maple]

what do you figured you would have gained in that time?

i haven't gotten that bonus yet cuz i'm stuck on spending for the next 2 bonuses (dmg and wiz tower) so I'm curious

[tacit tulip]

You have to spend a single point in the cap/speed sections for it to update the level

The talent puts the water in but doesn't level it up

[potent maple]

like for each possible lvl up?

[tacit tulip]

One point will level it multiple times if you have the water stacked

[zinc shoal]

It will shows something like 23k/13k

Just 1 point levels it

[potent maple]

ahhhh weird

[zinc shoal]

It doesnt auto level it

[dapper prism]

If it shows like 30k/13k that means 1 click would level it twice kinda thing

[potent maple]

so like many other things in the game where it says it happens automatically but technically doesn't happen until you log in or do a thing or something like that

[true obsidian]

mean now i have to lv up cap/rate then it will update?

[tacit tulip]

That won't, at least

[sweet pine]

put 1 point on cap/rate when it overflow, so it will update

[potent maple]

i dont understand and i'm not even the one asking the question

[true obsidian]

i still don't get it, is it i need to click DECANT once for the liquid bar not 100% full then it can be update?

[tacit tulip]

Decant when it's full

[potent maple]

what is the "click this button stupid" directions so that it makes sense to someone that hasn't done it?

[dapper prism]

The bar above is irrelevant, the bar on Cap and Rate needs to be full

[potent maple]

then wtf is the bar above like 10x/1x in that example?

[tacit tulip]

you're getting 13/HR and need ~350 to increase your cacp.

Half goes to rate, so 6/5 an hour. It's going to take you 54 hours to increase your cap with 99% rate from equinox

unless you're using bubo the gains aren't going to be huge

[formal minnow]

Did some other stuff to try to pump his damage, got him to 90b.. still only got to portal 47, a whopping 0 increase

[potent maple]

does it matter right now? i'm not being a shit, just actually curious if there is a point to beating 47

[dapper prism]

Step 1: Max your cauldron Liquid
Step 2: Any extra Liquid gained will automatically fill the bar 50/50% between CAP and RATE, this overflow is based on the Liquid Equinox. so if you have 11 upgrades in it, 99% of your water gained will go 50/50 into those. if you have 1 lvl in it, then you lose 91% of the overflow water and 9% gets split 50/50 between them.

Step 3: You wait for CAP and/or Rate to be full, and it overlaps. In that example they need 854 water to level up rate. they have 368/854, so as usual they need at least 854/854 to upgrade it. HOWEVER:

Step 4: This water continues to fill up, if they active bubo for a night that could be 10k/854.

Step 5: You jkust click Decant when you are full on either cap and rate, and it will math out how many levels it would gain you, and you gain the levels.

It's seriously simple, idk why people overthink it or overcomplicate it..

Water fills up, click decant when its full, done.

The above bar is your usual liquid bar.. has nothing to do with overflow or the equinox upgrade

[sweet pine]

something like this

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/uTLoqv4.png

[potent maple]

so when you say " Liquid gained will automatically fill the bar 50/50%" you mean the cap and rate bars? or the above bar? I assume people overthink it because it is a new mechanic and dunno how it works and get impatient

[dapper prism]

The above bar is irrelevant. It's only excess water, equinox stuff only happens once that is full...

the above bar is your usual storage, imagine a glass

[potent maple]

why we have the discordz and all ❤️

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/overflowing-sand-tagious-kinetic-sand-too-much-sand-glass-of-sand-gif-17871125

Above bar = Glass, it fills up as usual

[potent maple]

that looks delicious or disturbing

[dapper prism]

The overflow "excess" is what goes 50/50 into cap/rate

So anything too much

[eternal comet]

Hi

[dapper prism]

Then you just hit decant

instead of losing the excess, it goes into cap/rate

[potent maple]

read pins

[dapper prism]

Hi Darian

[potent maple]

welcome!

[eternal comet]

Thank u

[formal minnow]

Just trying to unlock ruby cards, I meant 47 portal kills as well. Im stuck on rift 44

[potent maple]

ah i hear ya! i'm stuck on 41 "kill all mobs before respawn" did you notice a point in dmg where you were able to make it happen? what dudes did you use to pull it off?

[dapper prism]

Try Bubo/DK for those things

[potent maple]

i LITERALLY just spent like 2 hours spamming cogs for a much nicer setup (not quite double from what I had before) and now this BULLHOCKEY

[sinful aurora]

Guess youll have to spend 2 more hours. Sorry to hear it.

[dapper prism]

Luckily its very quick to get

[formal minnow]

Dk, bubi, and I think I tried es. About 40b damage for the dk and bubo

[potent maple]

I feel like i'm getting into "not such a noob anymore territorry" but still just not cutting it

[dapper prism]

Barely 15mins if even

[potent maple]

yeah, such sad tiny violin, no worries haha

[magic oyster]

Anyone got a rough idea of bubble levels to aim for for the 1bil sample ?

[tacit tulip]

Careful or you'll become the new Tony and get jaded 😄

[dapper prism]

think mine were 90%

[formal minnow]

Additionally, I have been pumping damage using my bubo and alchemy for like 3 weeks

[potent maple]

yeah, as always the answer is alchemy, and i imagine with recent upgrades too it wont be long till i can raise that 14 to 40

i was blowing my bubo hard when it was all the rage, and i feel like i kinda ignore the guy since other classes came out

[dapper prism]

I mean.. some things are very simple though, and seems more than half the time people dont read the unlockable.
The fact when they don't know the difference between the bars in the cauldron is a bit worrying at this stage of the game

[potent maple]

poor him and more poor me cuz i coulda used him better

[potent maple]

you're not wrong but you must admit that lava descriptions are iffy and there is so much going on.

[formal minnow]

I didn't start using my bubo seriously till I was at the point of requiring him to get to kattlecruk, before that he was a lab/divinity slave

[potent maple]

says someone that didn't start until w5 was out

[dapper prism]

I know lavas description are often iffy, but nothing about this one was wrong or misleading.
It states that it is the excess water, and it says it goes into cap/rate. It doesnt say it automatically decants the upgrades that someone mentioned earlier.

[potent maple]

so many bars, "click the thing with the thing" "it'll auto trigger any time the flummox reaches the higest point of interest in yesterdays colors" yeah thanks cool, doin my best here 😄

[potent maple]

good point, maybe its that we're all assuming to omuch

[dapper prism]

That's my point, it's simple yet people are overthinking it

https://tenor.com/view/math-hangover-movie-the-alan-gif-18437148

[potent maple]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

i think i have it figured out

trust me on this one

[potent maple]

you said barly 15 mins, should i wish i had more cog storage? i've gemmed zero of it

i can fill the 3 pages of slots i have in less than a min, delete, go again, etc

[sinful aurora]

No, thats the lamest thing in the gem shop

[dapper prism]

No, i just fill the first page then delete them anyways

hate switching pages

[potent maple]

my instinct served me right for once

[dapper prism]

youd use the other page(s) to store your actual current cogs in

[potent maple]

just keep deleting lame ones until my storage is about full with the good ones i need

[tacit tulip]

why are they so sensitive? Clicking the arrow sometimes double swaps a page lol

[potent maple]

then delete the "good ones" cuz they lame too probably, compared to my grind for good exp cogs

[potent maple]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS BECAUSE MY MOUSE WAS DYING!!!! IT'S NOT JUST ME???!?!

[dapper prism]

and then sometimes when u drag a cog over the arrow to change tab it instantly changes the tab, and sometimes i guess the system is on vacation and takes a while

[tacit tulip]

Definitely the game

[sinful aurora]

If it was, it'd do that everywhere. But just cogs. It's the game.

[potent maple]

i betcha that control looks for MouseDown instead of MouseUp in code (depending ofc on the syntax of whatever lang the code is)

[potent maple]

also my mouse is dying, i've been having trouble "long pressing" like to get gems, pens, I can make it work but it's not 100% as it should be

[dapper prism]

Dont worry, at least in obols we have the scroll bar with the hitbox of an extra row xD

[formal minnow]

I mean, i haven't been putting all that much time into the game but also I've been playing since w4 was out.... I'm not one of the guys that's been around since the only thing left to do was afk rams, but I've spent a lot of time asking these guys to figure out what I need to do to get my stats up.

[potent maple]

i know it's hard to hear tone on text, but i hope you know it was with a 😉 and a 😄

[dapper prism]

Lies

[potent maple]

everyone was so squee about bubbo when it came out!

so if you didn't squee about bubbo, then you came after bubbo, that is all, no judgy just showing off my detective skills that make me have no friends

hopefully again 😉 😄

[left fossil]

Is there a timelimit on killing 3rd snake boss? Finaly got there without game crashing but got trash dmg ><

[heady torrent]

In around 15 hours your phone will run out of battery life

[potent maple]

i cant imagine why, you can stand around forever in there

[left fossil]

So no timelimit, thats a relief ;d

[sinful aurora]

Your phone wont crash from standing still hitting a snake jar.

[heady torrent]

Wont crashx but it wont be charging

[left fossil]

playing on steam, dungeons crash non stop >.>

[potent maple]

dungons disappoint me. you either get shit partners or no partners. 😦

[left fossil]

random white screen pickup orbs or selling loot.

[potent maple]

so now i play those w2/3 dungons like never, and dunno wtf to do (i'll figure it out ofc) but coulda been so much fun

[left fossil]

3rd dungeon was a one shot, lucky on dmg drops

[potent maple]

i haven't had that happen to me ever, but refer to above comment i haven't really done it about like 200 times

[left fossil]

Im r46 doubt I even did 200 dungeons

[quaint grove]

... I suddenly no longer have all purple skulls in my death note. Was the vman bug fixed?

I have like three blue skulls now randomly

[potent maple]

i saw no update but mighta missed something, grats for your benifit though!

[quaint grove]

Benefit?

[formal minnow]

I also just didn't active bubo or mess with alchemy very much till I hit the brick wall that is running through w-5 without preparation, but mainly just the fact that the first time I used active was dk when onyx statues came out since I play on mobile.

[quaint grove]

The skulls went down :T

[potent maple]

oh yeah i can see that since DK is so good at "active" is that why?

[formal minnow]

I don't think it's considered a bug, he resets to the highest unlocked portal you have pushed on any of your characters and his kills get put to a flat number(I don't remember what the number is) for all the unlocked ones

[granite grove]

its not a bug, lava intended that way, any 2m+ kills will be reset back to 2m if you did a speedrun

[formal minnow]

The reset is done everytime you do a speedrun

[granite grove]

but also resets to whatever number is needed for portal if over 2m for some of w5 maps

[formal minnow]

I was told he was great for farming statues and crystals, something else I didn't mess with till I reached the end of w5. So yeah, that's pretty well why.

[quaint grove]

.. I don't quite understand, this isn't during the Speedrun I mean to say. My deathnote stayed with three blue skulls when there previously was none

All in all it's just annoying, I just have to go throw a couple time candies at it

I still have all my w5 ones

[granite grove]

vman speedrun also sets to 2m even if you have 0 kills on it

[potent maple]

yeah, he's great at that because he has an orb that ups the drop rate for each kill on the map, plus another "statue" dude that also puts out aoe to help you kill everything, PLUS respawns stuff when everything is dead, so you get high kills per hour and much upgraded drop rate, but it is "active" so you'd have to leave your phone to that while on the charger or something i guess.

it's such a huge mechanic that i dont quite belive it's fair to call the game cross-platform

that and maybe a few other things

you CAN connect to your account on any browser window, that counts too (you have to redo your talents and cards if you do, but that's doable)

[granite grove]

if lava can do sth as storing kill values before starting speedrun then set it back once it ends

[sinful aurora]

Does the current system work? Yes > he's not gonna risk changing it.

[quaint grove]

Right but like why did my 5m+ kills get set below 5m after the Speedrun was over lmfao. They were at like 4.5m.. when they were previously pink skulled. It's alright but annoying haha, was just curious if this was some intended vman jank

[potent maple]

sounds like trying best to code but not hitting the target 100%?

[quaint grove]

Bugs happen, no need to even critique. All programmers introduce bugs, it's how coding works. Just trying to identify if I experienced something unusual or not

[potent maple]

agreed

i talk a lot of shit for someone that has only played lava games for over 3 years.

only.

[carmine hearth]

This is because lava codes with scratch, which makes branching your code to do multiple things very difficult

[potent maple]

i have only one lava complaint, and it's not what most people would assume at first but a lot would agree with me..... suspense

skilling afterlife was so ouch

[magic oyster]

bleh, citric td sucks. An hour of mind numbing boredom then <1 second to react when boss spawns and starts teleporting

[carmine hearth]

Skilling afterlife was so bad it felt like it was made entirely out of sadness

But most of idle skilling was a hot mess

[potent maple]

"i will force this game to get buried once and for all"

[carmine hearth]

Lava literally learned about arrays while making that game

[steady token]

👀 I heard you can kill w4/5 boss just before speedrunning?

[tacit tulip]

Something like killing the boss after pressing the skill but before the map changes

Never tried it myself

[magic oyster]

Hmm

[carmine hearth]

Sometimes I get the urge to open up the code and just starting cleaning up all the mess, but that would probably make lava (understandably) upset

[potent maple]

explain for noobs?

[steady token]

so it's possible to get 3 free portals? currently I'm having 60 portals. 'll try get 65

ty

[sinful aurora]

Wait and that would actually COUNT??

I always assumed it started after you teleported.

[tight saddle]

Are the player con XP boosting cogs worth it? Like the area ones, not the actual XP cogs. Would it be a good idea to have at least one of those instead of con boost?

[feral hemlock]

How high should i keep pumping this? Is the max 2.5?

[tacit tulip]

They're more important than the basic xp cogs

[tight saddle]

Wait I should also have my directional con boost cogs swapped with player xp? All of them?

I kinda thought the meta was to have all the directional boosts do build speed and fill rest of the board with xp%

Let me be clear, all of these should be player con XP boost?

Won't it ever get to the point where the XP required for construction level is just so high that the extra build speed gained from further levels is not worth it?

[vale wadi]

is there a a thing to do cremium cooking quicker as attack or even longer active. Need 100.000 seconds for equinox....

[balmy kiln]

hey guys, any team setup without the w4 pet for the equinox?

[tight saddle]

cremium

God damn it...... this means I will have to.... ACTIVE farm cogs

ughhh

[potent maple]

alchemhy bubble helps so mcuh

[potent maple]

i'm doing it right now

[vale wadi]

yeah I see its very low ..

[potent maple]

just hop on your good construction dk and sit for less than 1 min and you're full of cogs

[tight saddle]

I'll swap everything to flag speed out of spite

[potent maple]

cant believe that pic was made, ❤️ it

[tight saddle]

Gotta love this game. Even after over 7000 hours I'm still shooting myself into the foot

[potent maple]

dont tell me you have slots to unlock still

[tight saddle]

Ahh well, I need to farm double cogs for equinox anyway

[tight saddle]

Nah even my stupidity has it's limits

[potent maple]

same

[tacit tulip]

I might be biased but my vote is for that image to be the result for !consturctionchart 😄

[urban pond]

whats the meta right now guys?

[tacit tulip]

Alchemy

[thorn marsh]

10xvman meta

[potent maple]

just because you are biased doesn't mean that you're wrong

[tight saddle]

I was about to add on to that with replacing all guides with "level up bubbles", but then I remembered that I have also been screwing up my construction by not leveling call me bob and someone exposed me like only a couple of days ago, so I'm not really in the position to get on the high horse right now :S

[tacit lion]

what post office box to max after fight for bubo?

[potent maple]

farm statues with DK and you'll have all the PO pens you'll ever want ever

[tacit lion]

i dont have choco chip

[potent maple]

oh right, that's coming soon though right?

[tacit lion]

december

[errant star]

guys what's the best map to farm Pirate flag kills in?

[patent hatch]

is there a screen shot of all the htings to do to buff cooking?

[potent maple]

i dont have max miasma by far, but like 20000?

[potent maple]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=cook

[tacit tulip]

If you purely want flag kills, citringes

[tacit lion]

should i get the alch box?

[patent hatch]

ty

[tacit lion]

yeah but figured i just do my divinity and lab in the meantime waiting for choco

[potent maple]

valid, you can still get some solid ass benifits

[errant star]

thanks!

[potent maple]

what are you aiming for in div? i'm going for rift skill lvl 1000 across all characters, is there a better goal to go for?

[tight saddle]

love me some ass benefits

[potent maple]

https://tenor.com/view/butt-stuff-funny-gif-14154223

i just got all my dudes skills over 50, is there a reason for the flutter anymore ever besides dps?

[tight saddle]

Idleon is still consistently crashing for me after playing actively for a while. No matter what I do. It's like the game is counting my clicks and then crashing after like 2000 of them or something

[potent maple]

mobile, pc, website?

[tight saddle]

pc. steam

[tacit tulip]

you'll probably wanna aim for 75 for the printer gainz from skill mastery

[potent maple]

i had 1 random whitescreen earlier, but usually my issues are cuz of too much stuff on the ground so i lag up and freeze

[tight saddle]

Like it no joke feels like it's about the amount of clicks. I can do like active bubo for 15 hours without problems, but if I do clicky stuff it will crash quite fast

[potent maple]

flutter's orbs only work to lvl 50

agreed

[tight saddle]

Runescape should take notes, lava has implemented the perfect anti botting system lol

[potent maple]

[tacit tulip]

whitescreening cog clicker just means you win

[potent maple]

speak of the devil i just whitescreened

[random lake]

defeating all 5 difficulties of a weekly battle boss?

[tight saddle]

Thanks for that, I'll take the white screens as proof of my gamer skills from now on

[random lake]

who is the weekly battle boss and how is this done XD i took a break frokm the game

[tacit tulip]

W2, next to the arcade guy

[random lake]

is there a strat for beating lvl 5?

[potent maple]

battle boss in w2, tips for killing are often posted in tips n tricks

[tacit tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1157094107085283428

[potent maple]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1157094107085283428

sak beat me, fairplay 😄

[tacit tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-running-gif-27100967

[potent maple]

i was also in the middle of resolving whitescreen, but you beat me fair haha

i think that's my computer's way of telling me to go the fuk to sleep

[thin kernel]

that sad monent when you cant afk on you fon ( a old one) as bubo is to "aktiv" so it make the fon start lagging hard XD

[tight saddle]

Just to make sure that I'm not looking for a moby dick here - there is player XP boosting version of the corner boost cog right?

[rustic cedar]

bro is there any tips for cooking?

[tacit tulip]

yes but it's probably the rarest of the directional cogs

[rustic cedar]

i just dont understand why the speed of cooking is so small

[tacit tulip]

I have exactly one

[potent maple]

have you checked the pins in the upper right on this channel?

or in the w4 chat?

[tight saddle]

Figured, so I am still looking for moby dick

[potent maple]

yeah its getin chilly out

[tacit tulip]

kitchen level + unique bonuses to cooking speed (Yellow bubble, atom collider, Vman talent, artifacts) is pretty much all cooking is

[potent maple]

so much bonus from what sak mentioned in the (above) don't ignore any of them if you want cooking speed

[rustic cedar]

okayy thanks

[tacit tulip]

whew almost forgot to buy my pickle

[thin kernel]

ye dont forget that XD

[tight saddle]

https://i.imgur.com/XscrWRR.png

[tacit tulip]

:[

gimme

[tight saddle]

I have the ultimate pickle foresight

When everyone else was out there idling and diddling, I was buying pickles

[tacit tulip]

Will trade you some clicked cogs for pickles 😉

[random lake]

is there a list of benefits from the equinox?

[tacit tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1161718287835603004

[tight saddle]

I'll accept ball pickles in return https://i.imgur.com/BSpoteI.png

Well grinding cogs for the equinox and stuff hasn't been all bad, I've upgraded all of my XP cogs to 70%+ and gotten some 100's as well

Flag speed cogs should stop generating when you've got all of them done tbh

[true obsidian]

brew speed only work with class cauldron, not work with liquid right?

[tacit tulip]

believe so yeah

yay another vial don

[tight saddle]

Never replied this lol, I'm rank 40

[true obsidian]

hmm...260.000+ sec for cc is bad or good? or just decent?

[tight saddle]

Oh boy when I max the overflow liquid investment equinox, I'm going to bubo soooooo hard

[signal crypt]

When I do my best, I'm getting aroung 292k

[dreamy rapids]

What?

[slender terrace]

do any of the sites have an option to see how many atoms an hour you are making? thought idleon tools had one but no luck finding it :<

[tacit tulip]

what's the problem?

[tight saddle]

Idleon toolbox

[zealous niche]

Alchemy

[slender terrace]

@tight saddle cheers mate ❤️

[sweet pine]

can i do this to upgrade bubbles with mats?

[tight saddle]

[tacit tulip]

pretty sure the printer will fill up the left slot then start generating atoms

[dreamy rapids]

Over 1B

[sweet pine]

oh right..

[tacit tulip]

the game won't atom your stacks like that until you change maps

so I gained about 1.4b from one worship spam, then upgraded the vial using quick ref

[dreamy rapids]

Damn

[runic girder]

Thats a lot of souls from a single worship

[sand summit]

Spam

Not single

Ie about 8k% prob

[runic girder]

Well obviously not a single press of the button

But a single worship 'session'

[tight saddle]

How painful is the 15 chemical plants thing?

[tacit tulip]

honestly my charge wasn't maxed out - worship gains are just kinda nuts these days

[sand summit]

Worship in this game is all about neglecting it and then doing an intense session to balance it out

[tacit tulip]

one more upgrade to go and it's nugg time

[elfin idol]

can confirm

[tight saddle]

I kinda like these "no afk" zones, even though it's an idle game

[tacit tulip]

7 hours tho, really slowing down now

[tight saddle]

Like in moderation it's a good thing

[sweet pine]

i spam all 1 ore stack and left the highest on the right, after 5 mins all of them except the highest one got deleted

weird

[slender terrace]

im guessing the number idleon toolbox gives you for atom is the daily amount?

[teal lynx]

You can just hover over it and see a Printer Proc (which is incorrect since I get 7 hours) and a daily amount

[sweet pine]

is that idleon toolbox?

[slender terrace]

ah ty ty

[eternal dove]

hooray for super chowing on the 2nd bb

[sweet pine]

where do you check for this on toolbox?

[teal lynx]

Account > World 3 > Printer

[sweet pine]

thanks

[teal lynx]

Cost goes up till you reach the 1B Materials Mark. But higher Bubbles will always cost more

[eternal dove]

super chows stack incredibly well with vman talent right?

[pure meadow]

did lava fix that bug that its only working for the last blood barb?

[eternal dove]

well im currently candying on my 2nd bb and im seeing my multi on bb talent scale up nicely

[thorny hazel]

Woop! Killed about 50 nightmare kattle for this ...whough ....it's kinda poop compared to my other options I guess 😛
...still no tooth necklace though, what I actually hoped for

[eternal dove]

well if you had quest active its great

[thorny hazel]

....there's a quest!?

[random saddle]

Whats the reward for the quest?

[hybrid halo]

Divine trophy

[random saddle]

Oh dang

[thorny hazel]

well, poop ...so the cape drop is a quest then? I need another?

[random saddle]

Which char is best to kill him?

Im struggling i kill with bowman

[thorny hazel]

anything with some AoE is easy enough ...avoid doing it on blood berserker until you can just about oneshot it, though >.>

[hybrid halo]

DK or Bubo, I prefer DK

[random saddle]

I see yea can summom 2

Dem 1 shot nightmare

[thorny hazel]

DK I guess would be the easiest with low damage. Bubo or ES would work wonderfully

[eternal dove]

basically everything but bb and vman are afkable at nightmare kruk

[random saddle]

I see tytt

[thorny hazel]

(only requirement here is just that you can comfortably clear away the moles before they reach the boss. If you can do so, then it's just a matter of time)

[eternal dove]

sb is kinda semi afk (ish)??

[random saddle]

Loll im still using amorak armor /random on all other chars guess ill start crafting armor for them

[hybrid halo]

Its a char based quest and the cape has to drop on that char then equip a divine scarf to get the trophy

[thorny hazel]

SB you have to manually place closer to the boss, so he gets the mobs from both sides

[random saddle]

Very hard i have like 12b damage only took like almost 10 minse or more

[thorny hazel]

aaaaah'k, welll, now I know! Guess I'll farm more keys 😛

[hybrid halo]

You can swap the scarf between chars but not the cape

[eternal dove]

even if it may take time its still not near as intensive as bb or vman

[thorny hazel]

still don't have the scarf ...need a bit more damage on my BB...

[random saddle]

Drue haha

[eternal dove]

just as long as aoe can take care of minions you can literally just sit ther

[random saddle]

But bubo aura reset with the minions?

[thorny hazel]

BB only has combustion and axe for somewhat ranged abilities, and they're on too long CD to make a difference.. Vman has reasonable low cooldown on whip to keep them at bay until you pop the big aoe and can get a few solid hits in

[random saddle]

Cause ive recall trying it and its nvr have perm aura

[eternal dove]

should but with poison also minions are a non issue entirely

[hybrid halo]

Vman is the hardest to do it on

[thorny hazel]

I find BB harder than VMAN mechanically ....just BB scales damage better

[random saddle]

Yea right maybe i should try agn

But who give the quest for divine mole?

[eternal dove]

bb takes a lot of running back and forth with serrated swipe and using whirl and bear claw while waiting for combust cd

[eternal dove]

mob outside kruk arena

[hybrid halo]

The Npc on mole map

[eternal dove]

last quest of that line

[random saddle]

Okok

[thorny hazel]

serrated is such a tiny area =[

[tranquil vale]

any idea what is the best map to complete cranium cooking 100k? did it at oranges for 90.9k only

[hybrid halo]

Wurms

[tranquil vale]

alright will give it a go tmr, thanks

[eternal dove]

yeah its just running to both sides doing mob control

[eternal dove]

if anything may need to upgrade your big alch bubble

[hybrid halo]

Resurrect>Aura>Fart ghost

Equip spear or fisti cuffs

[zealous niche]

Who is this fella
Where do I find them

[tranquil vale]

alright, thanks for the advice

[prisma furnace]

Does anyone have a better guide for W2 TD for when you have slow roast?

[pearl cedar]

He's at doot, he's invisible, you have to active him

[prisma furnace]

inside the doot portal? 😮

Damn

[pearl cedar]

On a strong char, with w2 rings you get about 500k kph

[hybrid halo]

That`s the invisible Gmush?

[tacit tulip]

that reminds me, does equinox have a chow? You can technically kill rams there 2 minutes at a time

[hybrid halo]

It would not surprise me

[prisma furnace]

geez

[tacit tulip]

IE suggests you might

[pearl cedar]

I zowed it, chow/superchow not worth it

[eternal dove]

def not super chow but maybe a chow

ill do a 2 min claim and see the results

[worthy skiff]

Yayyy!!! Another thing off my list, which bubbles are recommended to atom after Larry?

[chrome tiger]

generally the skilling ones

[worthy skiff]

To any particular threshold or more like upgrade while you can afford it?

[chrome tiger]

there's a sheet in tips & tricks which you can use to determine thresholds

[hybrid halo]

Why stop there

All hourly clicks btw

[worthy skiff]

Diminishing returns hit quite hard after 100% increased chances, I see the point of going to 110% but your 1478 extra levels give a 6% extra

I should tune up my miners a bit and resample before considering hourly clicks

[hybrid halo]

It can upgrade a bubble 3 times

[fresh sorrel]

does the resource cost cap at 1 billion?

[hybrid halo]

Yes

[fresh sorrel]

didn't know that, thx

[hybrid halo]

I hate resampling so I hourly click with what I've got

[elfin idol]

Im hourly clicking oak,beach, jungle, copper and iron, and 2 hourly potty logs. You could probaby do it

[hybrid halo]

I click more then that

[elfin idol]

ive seen hocus and diggy to 1k reccomended

[elfin idol]

I misread your comment and thought you were ducking hourlys, mybad

[worthy skiff]

I'm hourly clicking the 3 base stats, hearty diggy, name and dropping loads. I have considered investing atoms on talent points to forget changing presets.

[uneven violet]

Atomming talent points is so hot

Trust me bro

[hybrid halo]

Gold fish, alien logs, gold ores, toilet logs, void ores and butterflies and the others you mentioned

[elfin idol]

howre you getting fishing eff so high

[untold saffron]

This is a good play, I may join you. Presets are a pain

[hybrid halo]

I suppose mostly from Mman left or right hand talent, have a 124M goldfish sample

[signal crypt]

Which are the skilling ones? Can you give an example?

[chrome tiger]

there's a bunch that affect chopping for example

[signal crypt]

Ah so like the one that improves the skilling power from hatchets?

[chrome tiger]

yeah, there's a bunch

it can boost your atom output

[spice meadow]

Thinking of farming greenstacks for the equinox thing

What are the best resources to do that?

[chrome tiger]

literally everything

[spice meadow]

...The easy ones-

All from w1 i would guess

[proud pumice]

most skilling and then base monster mats

[hybrid halo]

And the quest drops..

[thin kernel]

befor update.. my nuggets was "stock stepbro" on 13.563 now after update.. is 81.539.. is a good update 😄

[hasty pine]

so i got the construction master for +100 max lvl talent but the books still show me 220 as amx

is that just a visual thing?

dont want to dump 20 books to try it out 😄

if it takes some time to synch

[proud pumice]

its not that

[granite grove]

construction building, not actual book level

[proud pumice]

it increases your library lvl, not your book lvl

[granite grove]

+100 to the library building

[hasty pine]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[coral goblet]

we all thought the same at first

[hasty pine]

well

that make me sad now

😦

[granite grove]

need tent400 and the 4s reduction tbh

[coral goblet]

checkout speed is nice tho

[sweet pine]

this is unreal...

[sick sentinel]

Thats the one im missing now too

[untold saffron]

I'm still on the fish

[sick sentinel]

4 days whiffing

Ooooof

[clear quartz]

oof

[autumn wasp]

yall dropin 2 pages?

[sick sentinel]

Of course

[clear quartz]

i have them all but am waiting on my sad printer sizes to finis the fish and the bug

[sweet pine]

i felt it man

everything ready for lvl 13 vials

just...

[green eagle]

i was slow af at finishing this because i enjoyed salt collection on login too much lol

and getting closer on this

[clear quartz]

mmmm larry

[green eagle]

almost 21

[clear quartz]

i need to work mine more, i took a break on it today since ive gotten almost everything atomable in mage tree and wanted to get some gains there while thinking aobut it

[gray schooner]

when i upgrade my shovel in gaming does that reset the equinox bonus?

ok, i tried it too and got similar nuggets for now. small sample size though

[pearl cedar]

The nugget size wont change a lot

[tacit tulip]

Nugg rolls are shovel% x (1- about 1500)

so a single shovel increase ups your min by like 1.5

[gray schooner]

question was if the equinox bonus resets when you upgrade the shovel. if that was the case they'd go way down after upgrading the shovel

also are the nugget numbers on IE accurate?

[tacit tulip]

Prior to equinox yeah

You can probably estimate your equinox bonus by comparing your common low rolls to your min roll

[gray schooner]

the equinox bonus doesnt increase the upper limit though, right?

[tacit tulip]

It does

[green eagle]

level 20 poison towers EAT up td with maxed equinox bonus

[tacit tulip]

It's a final multiplier on what you pull from that range

Say you pull 100 nuggs so have a 600% bonus, then you MAX roll your nugg (462k), you get 462k X 7 = 3.234M nugg

[green eagle]

just finished round 120 on waka waka and that was the dmg the tower got to. used to take ages

[gray schooner]

ok, that sounds pretty crazy. guess i should work on my nug multi for a couple days with kitsune on

[tacit tulip]

Basically yeah

You're fishing for a lottery win while on high nugg%

[green eagle]

yeah i'm kind of doing the same, but i'm going to just finish this grind to 110%

eventually it will be 115% and i will be done

[gray schooner]

well, my current nugg multi is like 1/9 of my max. so i dont even need that high of a roll to get a better multi

[frigid acorn]

hate it when frozen tower went frozen and afk about to archive 150 at w4td

[green eagle]

lets gooo

[tacit tulip]

I know how you feel

[gray schooner]

oof. im so sorry

[signal crypt]

115% is around twice the level of 110%

[tacit tulip]

I should have equinox nugg 6 this evening so will go ham tonight

[green eagle]

i know

boss round is all that's left

[coral goblet]

can u fit 6 towers on the platform im on?

in the guide it shows 6 on there but i never can fit

[green eagle]

after lava added in tower snap to the game you couldn't do certain pixel perfect placements anymore

[coral goblet]

ahhh makes sense

[blazing quest]

sorry if I wanted to make a suggestion to improve the game where should I write it?

[tacit tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/739454987909988413

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/802261539142762517

if you don't have the suggestion channel you might need to grab the role here

[green eagle]

i'm sorry, i can't see anything. what does that say? could you perhaps read that to me?

[green eagle]

topped off at 140, i afked too long between round 140-150 and came back to them on the bottom part of the td near the totem lmao froze them and killed off 100 enemies, but couldn't save it

[clear quartz]

i should push td again, kinda wanna wait for maxed equinox thing, and maybe some more base tower lvls

[signal osprey]

Theres no end to the chems

[clear quartz]

imagine post DoT tower the new meta for some maps will just be void, frozone, 3-5 poisons, and like all in on kraken to push into a corner. maybe some speed still

[pearl cedar]

I know, but you said your nugget size didnt change alot. So I was trying to say they wont change a lot, as upgrading shovel isnt a large bonus. Unless you pumped like 100 levels into it or something

[signal osprey]

Like this?

[clear quartz]

pog, single poison

[tacit tulip]

Two

[clear quartz]

oh i see him

[pearl cedar]

Good nugget at least

[signal osprey]

I also got a 9th kraken off screen to the right later on in the run

[green eagle]

lmao now that's pure gamin

[tacit tulip]

Might steal this for later and see if it helps with my purple mob woes

[signal osprey]

Well that setup specifically was designed with 150 in mind. If you're fine pushing 130/140 you can drop the left most kraken for another poison to speed it up

150 is brutal though so the extra kraken was necessary

[tacit tulip]

I'm struggling with 90, I suck at using stop right there 😄

[signal osprey]

I find it easier to not spam waves on citric

[tacit tulip]

It's one set of waves that gets me

wave 59 (and 89) has an endless swarm of stun oranges that spawn for so long, wave 60/90 spawns mid way through

my void is always stunned no matter where I put it, which results in the purples flying off the screen

Stopping them using hunter isn't working becase... the stun mobs are still spawning

not figured a way around it yet

with damage being less needed cause of equinox I'm toying with running Void AAA to allow it to often spam and strip the stuns before they're a problem

I cleared 59/60 by spawning 60 immediately and stripping the purple before my void got stunned. I just wasn't expecting 89/90 to do the same

it'd probably work the same way

[signal osprey]

You could try this at the start. I used pulse as a cheap placeholder for the future poison

Rush AAA on the parties

After 60 sell the pulse for poison and you can sell the second poison for the freeze to continue the build

[tacit tulip]

I love that you just set that up to show me 😄

[signal osprey]

Also no need to get carried away leveling the first poison either

Equinox will carry the damage so you can keep it at 10 until after 90

[tacit tulip]

How are you dealing with not being able to place towers nearby immediately? Just poison further back to deal with it until you can?

[signal osprey]

And then once again dont spam waves

[chrome tiger]

Is only 2 poison really the deal for that map?

[signal osprey]

Sorry not quite sure what you mean by not able to place nearby towers immediately

[rugged token]

if you're playing on a pc client you can, you just need to have the mouse in the center of the tower when placing it next to the other tower and mess with it a bit and you'll notice you can gain 1 pixel so all together it makes enough space for the 6th tower

[signal osprey]

For 150+ yes. If you're fine with 130/140 you can sell the left most kraken for poison instead

[tacit tulip]

So you mentioned yesterday that you can't place towers here when mobs are spawning

How do you survive wave 1 if you can't place them right from the go?

[signal osprey]

You can place them on wave 1

[vestal delta]

this is for when you have the maxed equinox TD buff

[tacit tulip]

Hmm, I've never been able to, been my big problem on this map

[signal osprey]

Theres a range on tower placement relative to your character

Hit summon and then run to the portal

[tacit tulip]

I can't even test cause I spent all my charge earlier 😄

[signal osprey]

130 was doable pre equinox and used a similar setup. Only change is the left most kraken in my pic is usually a poison

And also you can get away with 1 or 2 less krakens on the right as well in exchange for more party

Although for 140 you'll want those krakens on the right

[signal osprey]

If you do end up unable to place them for whatever reason then just drop a couple random krakens in the middle of the bridge

They can hold early waves on their own until you can actually place your void

[tacit tulip]

It's nice having a lot of starting points these days

can manipulate thigns pretty freely at the start

select * from

no, wrong keyboard

ignore that

[signal osprey]

Yeah with all the starting points and max cost reduction you can do a lot. Thats part of why that early game setup works so well

[elfin idol]

The work from home

[signal osprey]

You can drop 3 parties and get them to AA in the first few waves lol

[sick sentinel]

thanks will do

[tacit tulip]

At least it wasn't my password

[elfin idol]

i know its hunter2

[green eagle]

i almost didn't see the pulse lol

[tacit tulip]

I only see stars

[signal osprey]

He's crucial to the success of the whole run

[green eagle]

about the only thing pulses are good for lmao

did you at least level the poor guy up to 5 so he feels useful?

[signal osprey]

You actually could and it would be decent for the early waves too

With the few party towers and a couple of pulses you can comfortably clear 60 without worrying about having your dps stun the voids

[green eagle]

pulse only would need lava to make its multi-hit ability hit multiple mobs like a lightning chain instead of multiple hits on the same enemy. then he might be useful with how often he attacks. both of his upgrades feel terrible right now because he can't push back like a kraken so he just feels baaaad

[signal osprey]

I cant wait for the pulse tower meta

[next laurel]

How to hit fast in dungeons with DK

[sick sentinel]

get the rng item for faster attacks

[vestal delta]

sugar rush and super soda

[signal osprey]

Also dont pick up a weapon. As long as you dont have a dungeon weapon you copy the attack speed of your actual weapon

[sick sentinel]

interesting, i heard about that for vman but didnt know about other classes

[next laurel]

ok thanks y’all

[barren summit]

anyone got an imagge of a clash of cans and citric conflict layout for 100+ waves?

[sick sentinel]

#1084911530417606656 masterlist by rashaken has td setups, but if those are too advanced in that same channel there is a new guide if u scroll down

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQHKsA7L-VGS5_JCJeLPUiFJ8mvooLaVRUpkq5t3aeu-rkEPgjZJhjX39t5spXU5jjfixN4SwjXjo08/pubhtml
this is the new guided based on the old deleted one

[long siren]

Is grey grumblo still best strat for dungeon newbie?

[green eagle]

i mean it would be an interesting mechanic i think each level up increases the lightning chain by 3-6 or something? idk i'm not a balancer lmao

[green eagle]

he's the only reliable strat until you get guranteed coin flip

[signal osprey]

Today its time to finally try W4 with the new buff

[long siren]

what does coin flip do?

[tacit tulip]

50% chance for a legendary orb

[spring raptor]

orange rarity (so foal) at the start of the run

[long siren]

oh I see now

[green eagle]

cans td?

[vestal delta]

stars complete...the rest are soooo slow

[sick sentinel]

damn ur killin it tho

[signal osprey]

Thats the plan

Its the only TD I havent at least attempted with equinox yet

[tacit tulip]

td4 looks interesting

[green eagle]

i can't do statue green stacks... it kills me not getting the bonuses hahah

[heavy moth]

that makes a grand total of how much, my bad

[tacit tulip]

it's the "longest" map right? Find a long streak near the top and you'll be mega stacked on equinox buff before the mobs even get to you

[heavy moth]

just greenstack for the ndream then turn in XD

[signal osprey]

Granted I need to revisit acorn and frosty again at some point as I did acorn before we tested the buff thoroughly and then I crashed on frosty

So both of those can be improved

[signal osprey]

Yeah I'm expecting it to be a pretty comfortable map to play

[vestal delta]

i copium myself by thinking that it's just a linear 10m delay in progress... and then I can resume statue gains 🥲

[signal osprey]

Bottleneck will purely be mob health at 180+

[heavy moth]

its 10:25 and that last text made it seems like i was drunk AF XD

[green eagle]

i just did acorn lazily and got 130, with a good/better setup i'm sure 150 is achieveable

[signal osprey]

180 should be possible in theory

[sick sentinel]

man was possessed speaking in tongues

[signal osprey]

Definitely 170

[green eagle]

and i'm hoping that now with dmg numbers gone i can finish frosty without crashing

well i'm thinking your towers are higher level than mine to begin with lol

[vestal delta]

180 right now
181 is possible if I just re-greenstack the 1st worship thing, but cba right now

[fervent brook]

Is there a optimal setup for placements of imports in gaming?

[heavy moth]

do you have the other quest item done like the 3 goldrick exept the one we see ahaha, ketchup and mustard and stats from rat

[signal osprey]

Yes but with equinox the biggest milestone for TD progress is just hitting cost reduction cap

That alone should get 160 on almost every TD

[green eagle]

i'm fine with this

[vestal delta]

ketchup, mustard, dogbone have to wait for 11th character
haven't done the other 2 goldrick or rat stats yet

[green eagle]

ahhh so i, in theory, just need to git gud

[heavy moth]

thats the rough part

[vestal delta]

I have done stopwatches and the 3x social media ones though

[signal osprey]

People with towers 20 levels lower than mine across the boards have pulled off 190 glublin and 170 acorn/frosty

[fervent brook]

I wish we could reactivate quests (can't get reward again) to get the quest items again.

[vestal delta]

same

[heavy moth]

happy i neglected my second ES on quest ahah

[signal osprey]

Its just about the strat really. Pancake made a 200 glublin guide that works very well and the same principle applies to most maps

[sick sentinel]

happy i neglected almost every quest

[fervent brook]

Im surprised Lava did not add a equniox dream bubble to level pong to a certain level.

[green eagle]

hmm i haven't seen that one. might be worth it to try

[heavy moth]

ahhaha but now its a constant battle, wasting active time on es for Gstacking those or leveling some peeeps at socks

[signal osprey]

200 is pretty con level dependant but 180/190 should be fairly doable for most people at cost reduction cap

[green eagle]

my pong sits at level 69 and won't move until lava does something with it. knowing him and his humor SOMETHING might happen at that level eventually lmao

[glacial venture]

i feel forced to play bubo to increase gt lvl...

[heavy moth]

yea that too

ahah

[sick sentinel]

thats what im doing haha

its not bad after not doing bubo for a while, besides the daily ccs

[vestal delta]

i just got equinox liquid to 99% ... but have been sitting active DK to farm greenstacks ❓ ❔ ⁉️

[glacial venture]

i wonder if we ever get lvl 4 water....

should be fast now

with all the plunder changes since start

maybe 2 days...max i guess

[coral goblet]

oof

[tacit tulip]

20k-ish a day with all buffs is expected

Assuming all you did was citringes

Not a bad idea actually, might do that

Do you run crystals?

C mobs drop coins (which means more 100 coin mobs) but block hits that could be hitting normal mobs (for generic big mobs)

I found crystals felt faster but not sure

[sick sentinel]

crystals should have a slight edge, i did split 1 crystal and moonmoon doubled

[tacit tulip]

Yeah I levelled all aoe talents to 245 haha

An extra mob doesn't hurt when you have a shotgun of like 20 pellets

[sick sentinel]

range talent op

[clear quartz]

i just wish sb didnt have garbage spacing/hitbox issues

[sacred verge]

should i aim to max out the TD equinox buff fairly early on?

[sick sentinel]

it sucks a bit when they are right ont top of you, but not too bad

[sacred verge]

or rather, tips for where to spend

[clear quartz]

i find it super frustrating that itll prioritise aiming to the mob you are right on top of, and aim off the edge of the area rather than aiming toward the center/highest mob conc

[sick sentinel]

td and nug are both good candidates depending on what you want to focus

[clear quartz]

so 1-0 of pellets/anything hits

[next laurel]

What should I upgrade

[tidal sky]

what about the nug trick to wait to level it?

[sick sentinel]

eh, thats too min max

for me anyway

[tidal sky]

I must have gotten more than 50 new nugs and my base is around 1,5k i believe it will take ages...

[sick sentinel]

cog clicker was replaced by nug clicker, have fun

i'd rather not do sussy stuff

[tidal sky]

only if it goes above our max right?

i swap char

[sick sentinel]

same deal as to why xewulf is muted

[elfin idol]

I think thats a bug, cause the use of shovel is saved but new number isnt applied before anim finishes

[tidal sky]

he is? i was talking this with him

[sick sentinel]

thats why he's muted

[elfin idol]

youre clciking that shovel enough times to get big numbers legit

[tidal sky]

that is what i'm doing of course!🙏

[fervent brook]

Is anyone else buying everything stackable in the shop just in case Lava adds a new dumb Equinox Bubble related to that shop item?

[vestal delta]

been doing that since I started, gotta get those eventual greenstacks

[sick sentinel]

should have kept up with shop buying a while ago...

[elfin idol]

sad theres only 1 buff to shop sell size

[sick sentinel]

gotta wait a little over a month for pickles

[fervent brook]

"Have 100 Cattleprod Tokes"

[vestal delta]

anyone else uh... greenstacking these things?

[elfin idol]

2 not you i see

[fervent brook]

I keep them just in case he adds some crafting items that use them.

[heavy moth]

one day ahah

[paper sail]

Does the Production Speed in town skills star sign benefit anything besides Anvil and Alchemy? 🤔 (I assume whatever it benefits, the guild bonus works on the same set)

[hexed crescent]

Time to go for green stacks?

[sacred verge]

a bit early

[hexed crescent]

Damn

I felt like that was a lot

[vital token]

The hi to 250 player is hi or Hi

[sacred verge]

got more in storage 😛

[hexed crescent]

Wait, what? Why would you lock them if they're in storage

[tacit tulip]

Organising for general grind

Looks tidier

[sacred verge]

that was on dk, i usually do "deposit all"

so its to organise as Sakori said

[hexed crescent]

I don't have a response to that

[sacred verge]

"it makes sense" is a good response

[sonic rivet]

best place to farm pens?

[sick sentinel]

any and all crystal mobs

[tacit tulip]

DK basically anywhere (crystal + Dr)

[torpid oasis]

Ah nice

[tacit tulip]

Big gains right there

[eternal mantle]

wooooo

[sonic rivet]

this a good set for dr and crystal chance?

wanna farms some pens to get the 2nd orders boxes

[tacit tulip]

You might be better off focusing on the cards first - maybe obols too if you've not done them

[eternal mantle]

are you w4

[sonic rivet]

w5

[tacit tulip]

As I always bring up, people being poorly geared for w5 isn't the players fault, it's the communities 😛

[eternal mantle]

you have pop obols for family and a single character at least?

[tacit tulip]

I stole trickz little backtrack thing so I can send it when people need it 😄

[eternal mantle]

Also grind genie and poop cards

they are way too good to have that low

first thing I did when I unlocked my es