#lategame-chat-w5๐ŸŒ‹-w6๐ŸŒธ

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wooden elk
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Just had a cape and strung tooth drop in the same run. Cape pushed me to 1370 on slab, running out of "easy" items.

opaque sun
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with cape, it means you also get a slab for trophy

fervent elm
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what should i be printing?

sterile jetty
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hey, on what should i focus my offerings ? on the lower or the higher one ?

opaque sun
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doesnt matter much on average

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If you hate the idea of gambling, go low % until you find a 100% offering

potent gust
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Nope 2nd ES, 8th character

opaque sun
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Else just go gambling. The expected cost is about the same either way

eternal dove
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the chem chain is finally done

sour flare
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Will I get even more new bribes, if I buy it again?

feral hemlock
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Finally nebula ๐Ÿ˜‰

opaque sun
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You just lose trash for no further gains for buying bribes again

formal minnow
plucky yarrow
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Yo

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Tf is a wind walker

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???

zealous niche
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A class that Lava has planned for but not yet implemented

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Your dungeon rarities are maxed at purple for now

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None of these classes are available yet

zinc torrent
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u can unlock them by spending $100 each if u know where to look ๐Ÿ˜‰

opaque sun
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with enough edit maybe you can dig it out of the code where all of the talents are placeholders

twin token
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Finally all usable div gods unlocked

buoyant heron
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for seasalt island which pool is better for which fish?

zinc torrent
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doesn't matter

teal lynx
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You should check the % in the afk menu

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My CC is nearly done. I can check after that

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Doesn't seem to make a difference for large Fish. Then the only thing affecting Fish will be Bait, Lines, Rings, Pendant

halcyon spoke
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Are there any tips for that new W2 boss thing?

teal lynx
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I would appreciate If anyone can tell me how I can directly link specific Threads

untold saffron
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does glitterbug work on crystal island?

molten scarab
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@opaque sun You online?

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or anyone that can answer - How does atom upgrade + snail work? I have the L3 collider upgrade (snail L15) and my snail is currently L12 - can I fail now and itl go to 15? or will it go down to 10
and if that the case , what if I get it to L13 and fail , will it jump to 15? closest 5?

untold saffron
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you can't go up, only down

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but you can't go below whatever the atom is levelled to

untold saffron
molten scarab
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so I still have to play super safe unitl I hit 15

untold saffron
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ye

molten scarab
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scary . okay thanks

untold saffron
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you're locked in at 10 minimum now still

untold saffron
molten scarab
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how would you play this

untold saffron
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that success rate is still strong, i'd roll it

molten scarab
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fuark

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can you get 3 envelopes a day with 100%+ snail as well ..?

untold saffron
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i assume so, my snail is at 91

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the loss of 12 to 10 isn't massive anyway so i'd just test your luck until 15

molten scarab
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got L13

cerulean hemlock
cerulean hemlock
molten scarab
cerulean hemlock
untold saffron
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that seems like a lot of letters for 14%

molten scarab
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be alot more if it drops to 10 again though..

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feel like i wanna slow safe push it to 15

untold saffron
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you can still fail 50% fairly easily though

molten scarab
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maybe your right tho and i should risk it 10-15 3 letters each time

opaque sun
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atom works as it resets to the nearest 5s you have ever reached before

stiff kayak
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where do i put points in for skiling preset

molten scarab
dreamy rapids
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Pretty sure it says 48K

molten scarab
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well wouldn't you know

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even better !

surreal oxide
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whats best class for farming batteries from w4 telecvisions. would it be DK?

molten scarab
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yeah

lapis orchid
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What's the other mat/how to get it for building atom collider? Its the void salt and what else?

frail mauve
opaque sun
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the skull mob material in w5 i think

burnt sail
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Does printer not fill multiple stacks of a resource, i.e., 5 stacks of oak logs in storage?

molten scarab
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turns to atoms unless you create a second stack before first stack

halcyon obsidian
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keep it green

opaque sun
burnt sail
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Bummer. Good to know, thanks.

hallow wing
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where do i check onyx statue collection on IE? cant seem to find it

odd stream
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where did the wiki go

opaque sun
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the domain expired or something

idle oar
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Change request: i bet everyone came across this: you are on a map and accidentally click on the darn portal either losing loot or not killing that bad boss you clicked on for 90 hours to kill it!

Dear Lavaflame devs, even though you don't know it, I am indeed that penguin in the background who is responsible for your salary and i have the following CR, unless you want to develop software for the new toilet paper vending machine!

  • within the options menu implement a trigger that, if turned on, displays a warning message if you leave a boss let miniboss stage or that warns you, if there is loot on the ground.

  • as another change request i would like an option to merge time Candy's into bigger ones, but that's not that important, the rest of your work is acceptable, i even consider paying you your salary!

Regards
That guy who pretends to be your boss! ๐Ÿ˜‰

rustic garnet
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17k kruk keys so far, 3.8k to spend now, 18.65 DR, still no capes.. let's see if I break 20k no cape

grave pilot
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hi guys, is there a reason why i have more base damage in statues with one character than with other??? with my ES i have 476 base damage and with my DK i have 843 base damage. PD the statue is in onyx

frigid acorn
grave pilot
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omg im dumb hahahahaha i totally forgot that ๐Ÿ˜„

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ty ^^

paper sail
rustic garnet
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I'm probably underestimating my number here, I could be nearer that tbh

paper sail
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I can't wait for my next Molti :3

signal osprey
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I went 27k keys at a little over 20x DR for my first cape Grumblo_Pray

molten scarab
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I got everything in 3k keys

rustic garnet
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I also have dropped any cape from all bosses past W1

paper sail
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Man, who could have guessed

rustic garnet
signal osprey
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Its the sheepies for me

paper sail
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I regret changing their order

signal osprey
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I havent gotten one in the past 2 rolls but prior to that they accounted for 9 of my 24 pets lol

rustic garnet
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there we go, diamond card, no drop

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21k keys, nada, really sad

dreamy rapids
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Damn that's a lot of keys

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And no cape

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Did something happen to idleon wiki?

opaque sun
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its domain expired

zinc torrent
untold saffron
molten scarab
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nice crit damage

fathom lagoon
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Finally hit 1B damage boys

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Momentous day

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1T next

signal osprey
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Then 1Q PogPig

fathom lagoon
halcyon obsidian
halcyon obsidian
fathom lagoon
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Funny enough itโ€™s my DK rn lol but prob cause Iโ€™ve boosted a lot of his talents, etc. compared to others

fathom lagoon
halcyon obsidian
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oh yeas

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: )

dreamy rapids
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Oh really? I thought Siegebreaker highest damage

limber grail
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does anyone have the base stats on the "Slushy Obol of Much Dilapidation"?

frigid acorn
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way heading to 2k urn GuyMontag

safe harness
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when you finish 200 arena and the spice fights, any point to keep the pets you use for unlocking?

astral moth
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can the Sailing black spirit give offers for materials after the 5th island or just the starting 5?

signal osprey
leaden karma
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i got this from the gem shop was it worth it ? also where is this from

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wiki aint working

lapis mesa
astral moth
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ah, I guess I've been extremely unlucky then

lapis mesa
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if you use the external tools like IE and IT, they can show the trading rotation

sick sentinel
rapid shale
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Once I get the 25th bubble on a cauldron should I just continue trying to get more bubbles for fututre updates?

astral moth
sick sentinel
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thats something you gotta decide for yourself rly, could do that or move on to sigils

lapis mesa
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your choice, ive got through w6 just to have it done

rapid shale
lapis mesa
spice widget
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what kattle to farm for tooth

lapis mesa
astral moth
lapis mesa
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!IT

obtuse orbitBOT
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https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo#2331

true obsidian
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Holy @@!

lapis mesa
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very nice

true obsidian
untold saffron
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does the damage from the new boss thing carry over week to week/attempt to attempt?

fathom lagoon
signal osprey
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Pretty much yeah

signal osprey
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I could be wrong but I think it has a cap too for how many you can get per week

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I did some yesterday and I'm pretty sure my damage didnt go up

quartz turtle
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went from 7.5k nugget to 7.7k nugget after 3 months. YAY big upgrade

scenic locust
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Is there a way to cap move speed on my bubo? It's at 148% and it feels slow af

true obsidian
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can this roll 4 chopping power? i roll 20 times and only change stats, not chopping power

signal osprey
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Skilling obols cant roll power until platinum

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Silver and gold just roll for main stat

true obsidian
teal lynx
visual tangle
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am I close to end game levels of cc yet?

signal osprey
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You're getting there grumblo_thumbsup

visual tangle
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yay

clear quartz
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2m kph on gmush, reasonable ish range to think about eclipse, or can i reasonably get that higher still before i start burning candies

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seems like a lot tbh but unsure if i should be expecting pain regardless at least starting out

gentle furnace
true obsidian
clear quartz
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hmmm gotcha

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ill check on sb since 2m was on bb, but imagine sb might get a bit more mileage, can get my super chows and finish up with sb i suppose

true obsidian
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and yes, i'm so lazy after go 100M kill all mobs so i just do eclipse from snelbie back to sand pot :v

rugged cipher
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just got to w5, and dont really understand divinity. do i just have to leave all my characters meditating on that altar? i got to unlock the first god and linked it to ES, (i got king doot so idk how he works into all this or if i even still have to link the characters?)

quiet pewter
heady torrent
rugged cipher
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the 1% option?

heady torrent
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If you roll it enough times the right option changes

rugged cipher
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got it

granite grove
rugged cipher
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i saw that and was confused

granite grove
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but for unlocking gods, well, just use best styles (specfically mantra for exp or focus for pts) and roll for 1% then 100%, or gamble on 25%s

rugged cipher
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theyre all at lvl 3 rn left them over night

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got it

heady torrent
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Does the divinity gain affect exp/points or both

opaque sun
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Just offering pts

heady torrent
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What are thhe sources for exp then

granite grove
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div exp %

tiny laurel
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Is the future content endgame

signal osprey
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You know as much about it as anyone else does ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

heady torrent
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My mom said its w6 so ye

golden gust
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what is the best w4/w5 statue farming location for dk ?

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oj and clammies?

sick sentinel
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i would think ojs is slightly behind wurms

golden gust
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hmm ill check and see

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wurms might be better with as long as im strong enough to 1 hit the crystals there

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im not sure if i am there yet

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im probably close though

sick sentinel
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if you cant 1 hit then likely ojs

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but exp, money, and keys are also at wurms so more worth overall

glossy rain
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whats your guys crystal mob spawn chance?

golden gust
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yeah wurms might be in general better cus of that reason

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even if slower on the w5 statues

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but clammies in w4 for sure ya?

signal osprey
glossy rain
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wow i have like 1:50

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is stamp doing that much?

sick sentinel
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shrine mainly, but stamp is something too

signal osprey
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Not really. once you have PO box, talent, and cards maxed the shrine is the biggest increase but stamp is definitely worth it

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I have 21 shrine and 250 stamp for reference

glossy rain
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okay thats huge

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i have 16 shrine and 120 ish stamp

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ah no

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170

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but as if that doubles my crystals

signal osprey
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Well do you have both cards at 5* with doublers?

glossy rain
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ah

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no doubles

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thats it

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rip

golden gust
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thats pretty big impact

clear quartz
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ruby will be nice too

glossy rain
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i have ruby tho

signal osprey
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Yeah cards are very big. They are the biggest bonus up until 20 shrine. After that the shrine gives more total crystal chance than both cards

clear quartz
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1:36 for me sans ruby, so i need to work on the shrine and stamp a bit, but mostly need ruby

glossy rain
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chip rota is kinda bad for that so

signal osprey
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Both card doublers are available once more later this year

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One in november and the other in decemeber

glossy rain
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y but i waited half a year already and still havent got choco chip

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because i couldnt afford it in april

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and since then chip rota was meh

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for the big ones

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but guess at the end of this year im set up on the good chips

signal osprey
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We've had 3 card doublers since april lol

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As well as quite a few other good doublers

glossy rain
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hmm maybe i was blind then

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xD

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idk

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prob couldnt afford them at the point either

sick sentinel
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well plan now

glossy rain
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im buying every week

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except the 10k salt one next week

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because i fked the salt

sick sentinel
glossy rain
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yup

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i have 40k pets etc but i cant get salts fast enough

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with endgame setup

sweet cipher
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Can some explain how this is an 111% boost from maestro? ๐Ÿ˜…

glossy rain
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its probably additive with other bonuses

sweet cipher
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Missing this ss๐Ÿ˜…

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Expected more off a jump then this tho

true flint
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Hey I think some people yesterday had posted the optimum run for w2 skill boss thing - does anyone know where that was

signal osprey
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Right hand is a separate multi though

sweet cipher
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Fair but still feels so little ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

signal osprey
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You have something inconsistent between those pics

signal osprey
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Its supposed to be a true 111%

tall horizon
heady torrent
signal osprey
sweet cipher
signal osprey
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Thats mine with and without right hand

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You're missing something in the 117B pic

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Its a true 111% buff

sick sentinel
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are they same skill lvl

sweet cipher
signal osprey
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Something unintentionally broke

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The skill works as advertised

austere path
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does someone have any tips on how to easily raise skill lv in vman?

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Because the skill lv of my vman is always less than the others

signal osprey
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Then stop skilling on everyone lol

sick sentinel
signal osprey
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Nothing you get from skilling on your non vman characters will be stronger than the buff you get from right hand

austere path
sick sentinel
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you dont need to actually skill on your other characters

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only print for resources

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crystal countdown your vman

tall horizon
austere path
sick sentinel
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no

austere path
fallow aurora
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is the emperors opal BIS rn for skilling?

sick sentinel
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they can be doing something else AND print resources

sick sentinel
fallow aurora
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ty

sick sentinel
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you can ss opal rings

austere path
sharp igloo
manic moat
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rip idleon wiki

sweet cipher
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Thing it used to be 59m before IdleHMMMM

sick sentinel
sweet cipher
sharp igloo
sick sentinel
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Only rly for sampling

sharp igloo
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How much is the artifact that increases your samples per day for 80 days or whatever worth it over resampling when you get more eff?

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Like I keep resampling, but then I'm like: "Wait, maybe I'm actually getting less samples."

sick sentinel
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๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ depends on how much you have worked on stuff that will boost your samples

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What are your copper and oak like

sharp igloo
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My oak is 600mil and my copper is 200mil, but thats only on my ES and DK. Oak is like 400mil on my bubos and copper is like 50mil on my other warriors.

sick sentinel
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I would say its wotth it to keep pushing your samples for a bit before taking a break

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Can also see what this next update will be first tho

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Gives you a bit of time to get tools/levels (still behind vman)/atom upgrafes on alch

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And stamps of course

sharp igloo
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What would you consider a good stopping point for skill related bubbles?

sick sentinel
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What are they at around?

quiet pewter
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for the ones that cap they are best thought of as % of max. so ppl will aim to get them all to like 95% max or somehting like that

sharp igloo
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1 sec lemme check IE

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And the last 4 are all around 107-111

sick sentinel
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Usually for bubbles you want to try to get them around 90-95% effect. Can make your own goals around that

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Plemty of higher skilling bubbles you can level, i took most of them to 500 and then went back around to 750ish

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Now im back to doing them to 950

sharp igloo
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Which ones?

sick sentinel
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Or close to 90 or 95%

quiet pewter
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has anyone experimented with the ES skill bar in terms of lag reduction? should i just put all the attacks on my bar, or its best to prioritise?

sharp igloo
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Okay thanks ๐Ÿ‘

sick sentinel
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also the equivalent for mining as well

sharp igloo
quiet pewter
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the blue lighting you mean? becuase the yellow one is really powerful

sick sentinel
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i dont think there is much you can do about es lag, tho i think meteor add a lot to that

quiet pewter
sharp igloo
quiet pewter
sharp igloo
quiet pewter
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no

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im playing active if that helps. kph is more an offline thing

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i want a high number above my portal

sharp igloo
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Kph applies to active play too. You want more kills per hour whether you're active or afk.

true anchor
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With doot how do you gain lab xp if Arctis is always active?

quiet pewter
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the number of normal mobs im killing isnt really important for statue farming. ES only multiplies DR for the portal spawned mobs, so thats where my statues are coming from (w3 normal mobs drop statues not crystal). the number of normal mobs im killing isnt that important

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i mean normal mobs help, but the odds of a stustue on a portal kill are way higher, so thats my focus

quiet pewter
sharp igloo
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Yeah, but still, lightning isnt helping you kill faster unless you need it to deal damage.

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You'll proc chain less often if you have lightning on your bar.

old coyote
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how important is class for time candying death note?

quiet pewter
quiet pewter
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if 100m sounds a lot, then probably jsut SB to get the first few skulls everywhere first

sharp igloo
quiet pewter
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okay, ill test without yellow lightning next. currently testing without meteor

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it scales pretty steeply, so i see your point

tall horizon
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ES doesnt reaslly hit the point of needing to exclude talents

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thats kind of just bubo territory

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other than the on hits that lock you out of casting

sharp igloo
quiet pewter
tall horizon
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The lag is from wormhole itself

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Not the attack talents

quiet pewter
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....it probably wont help, but im stuck on ES for a long ass time doing w3 statues so i might as well experiment

signal osprey
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Even if it did reduce lag which it wont its still not worth it

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Meteor and lightning barrage are what carries your portal count

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So you get less portal kills and therefore less statues

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The best way to circumvent ES lag is to use candy and play DK

quiet pewter
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there doesnt really seem any harm in me empirically testing it

tall horizon
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Its been tested ๐Ÿคท but you're of course welcome to do your own

signal osprey
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Well no theres no harm in it if you wanna humor yourself but its going to be a net loss lol

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ES is just a bad class and theres nothing you can do about it

quiet pewter
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pretty weird attitude to shut down anyone checking things, but ok

feral hemlock
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Whats the target lvl for larry?

signal osprey
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I literally just said go test it if you want

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Not sure how thats shutting anything down

feral hemlock
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I saw someone previously had 115 right?

signal osprey
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Its an hourly click bubble so yeah just push it forever grumblo_thumbsup

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If you cant click yet then 1100 is a decent place to stop until you can

dapper prism
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Hey all!
Back from my 2 week vacation, hope everyone is doing good!
Time to do some catch up and hopefully finish of the big spreadsheet when im not sick.

dreamy rapids
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By hourly you mean getting 1B dementia every hour?

signal osprey
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Yeah

feral hemlock
dreamy rapids
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Oh boi

signal osprey
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Granted you could do 2 or 3 hours as well

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Hourly click is just a blanket term really

true obsidian
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does afk gain rate affect divine and lab?

dapper prism
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Anything big that i missed in the past 2 weeks?
A buddy did DM me about the new w2 boss thing that i tried doing a bit

dreamy rapids
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That's about it

signal osprey
true obsidian
true obsidian
dapper prism
true obsidian
signal osprey
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Its literally an on demand daily reset. Nblb, boron, shop resets, everything. Best part of the update by far

clear quartz
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so 14% less afk gain, and 1 less mk tier, and bb is about double the kph as sb

dapper prism
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Yeh but it costs the 15 trophies each time you buy it?

clear quartz
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guessing the kill talent for bb is hard carrying?

dapper prism
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ah right wrong item.

signal osprey
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30 trophies not 15 and yeah its one reset per purchase

tall horizon
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Is beans break point a firm .51? or is that just in case of rounding?

dapper prism
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Believe all the extras for the +0.01's are due to safetynet on rounding

tall horizon
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Figured... been running a trial with 21.5... guess I should go get some plunder kills for that .01 just in case

signal osprey
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Yeah its XX.50 but thats also just for some of the statues so realistically just get as much DR as you can because the other drops wont all share the same breakpoints

tall horizon
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ya

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I cant get any higher without plunder, just didnt want to stop greenstacking to do it.

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but hopefully .01 wont take to long

signal osprey
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Just do 1m plunder grumblo_steal

tall horizon
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maybe after 200 greenstack lol

daring ravine
tall horizon
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Statues/hr Prior to getting that .01. Guess we'll see if it was wasted effort lol

signal osprey
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If your goal is to get your green stacks asap it likely will be

tall horizon
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it is ๐Ÿ˜›

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but oh well

dapper prism
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Speaking of greenstacks, i just lost 13 of them ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

tall horizon
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how?!

signal osprey
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Yeah it'll take more time to get the dr than it will save time getting 10m lol

dapper prism
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155 down to 142.
Got Stamp levels

tall horizon
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ah

dapper prism
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went from ~8500 Stamp lvls to nearly 9600

tall horizon
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oh damn good gains

signal osprey
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Worth grumblo_thumbsup

dapper prism
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Does the discount stamp camp at 10k?

tall horizon
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yup

dapper prism
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#soon

tall horizon
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you can go above 10k, but never get more than 1/day

dapper prism
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Might be worth getting those new expedition stamps

signal osprey
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I wouldn't even know what to do with my gilds if I was getting 2 a day

dapper prism
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Yeh, havnt used mine in a while, had 34 xD

tall horizon
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boost random stamps that dont matter lol

signal osprey
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You get 5 of them per 90% hydrogen so you end up pushing a lot of stamps to where they need hydrogen with random gilds

tall horizon
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im still finding uses for them ๐Ÿคท

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oo speaking of at 90% today

signal osprey
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Yeah for now but that usefulness is running out. We need the last superbit for 3 day hydrogen Grumblo_Pray

tall horizon
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true

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new stamps please

signal osprey
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I need to set myself a reminder for the stupid dr stamp

dapper prism
signal osprey
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I only need 60% hydrogen for the next level and I keep forgettering and going past that then just upgrading gold food because using a 90% when I only need 60% feels wasteful

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I've missed it twice now lol

tall horizon
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Im biased, but I went bribes then stamps

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saving for the 300 stamp now

signal osprey
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I'm investing a bit into garbage and bottles for the long term rando island sink

dapper prism
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how high did u level trash rate?

signal osprey
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Need full glacial obols

tall horizon
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think mines 5

dapper prism
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Also, the bribe one is a 1 time purchase right? (like im 99% sure i have it but unsure how to double check xD)

fathom lagoon
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My garbage is lvl 6 too

tall horizon
daring ravine
fathom lagoon
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I wish the stamps you buy went away from the menu lol

dapper prism
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oii, wiki down?

tall horizon
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oof

dapper prism
#

Domain expired, has this been long?

tall horizon
#

just today

dapper prism
#

Have we already spam pinged the wiki owner? kekW

daring ravine
tall horizon
#

We're aware of the issue and there is a lot of pinging going on lol

tender pine
#

what damage is good enough to beat kattlecruk?

dapper prism
#

Nightmare? depends on class, but 50b+ should be easily doable on anyone if you focus a bit, some classes pure afk with that dmg

tender pine
#

normal

sick sentinel
#

What dmg do you have

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Have u tried?

tender pine
#

41 ~ 71 million
i have not tried

sick sentinel
#

Can you one shot the moles

tender pine
#

probably not

sick sentinel
#

Might be tough then

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But on say bubo or dk shouldnt be too baf

tender pine
#

ok, I'm on bubo

sick sentinel
#

Boss has 100B health

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It eill take a while

tender pine
#

how much accuracy for 100% hit?

carmine dagger
#

What would happen if you reroll divinity afk gains?

sick sentinel
#

Idk of the accracy is right on the boss card do idk

zinc torrent
#

nothing

dapper prism
#

Also to keep in mind, very little point or purpose really to rush kattle kills imo

sick sentinel
#

Real and true

tender pine
#

but what if I want to

sick sentinel
#

Then try

tender pine
#

ok

sick sentinel
#

Its up to you

dapper prism
#

But also not allowed to complain if you fail xD

signal osprey
dapper prism
#

once your attacks like aoe 1 shot moles, it gets a lot easier

pastel bramble
#

anyone hit level 20 snail yet, im getting 0.3% per mail atm ๐Ÿ˜“ takes so long now

signal osprey
#

I'm at 21

pastel bramble
#

u rolled at lowest % from 15-20?

signal osprey
#

Yeah encouraging takes more mail than its worth

tall horizon
#

i keep resetting to 15 CH_PepeCryCute

signal osprey
#

I reset a few times along the way but I also got way more attempts from all the mail I didnt waste encouraging

pastel bramble
#

its pretty low chance to get 5 in a row at such high reset % though

tall horizon
#

been trying to hit 20 since snail safety net was added

prisma furnace
#

Do you get a lot of Drop rate from alchemy?

sick sentinel
#

Not that much

prisma furnace
#

I am trying to figure out where the increase would come from, I am currently at 11 ish but I see people at 20?

sick sentinel
#

But it adds up

prisma furnace
#

I have my obols setup and such

dapper prism
prisma furnace
#

I guess plunderous amount if what I am missing then

#

I barely have actived on SB

pine yacht
#

how many lvl 13 vials are needed for snake skin vial to give 100+%

sick sentinel
#

27

pine yacht
#

wait is idleon wiki down ?

#

rip

sacred verge
#

finally

fallow aurora
#

are there any essential fishes to sample?

sick sentinel
#

Hoe many slots u can sample?

#

Pretty much all first 8 have uses

fallow aurora
#

6

sick sentinel
#

I think stingray isnt that necessary

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Maybe jellyfish too i dont remember

fallow aurora
#

jellyfish is used for the yellow bubble that reduces material costs of all bubbles

sick sentinel
#

How much is the cost for that one for you rn

fallow aurora
#

level 87

sick sentinel
#

Csn you print that much in a decent timr?

fallow aurora
sick sentinel
#

U gotta find one that you dont want to sample then

#

Nblb can take care of that if its in rsnge

dapper prism
#

i must be missing somethign, but why does my dk have 1 mana in dungeons?

signal osprey
#

R50 talents were added

sick sentinel
#

Rank 50?

dapper prism
#

ohh right

signal osprey
#

But thats the good talent anyway so you're fine

tall horizon
#

3 with dk is nice

#

definitely use that for all the dungeons i never run

signal osprey
#

Yeah I'll run all my dungeons when I get the flurbo bonus from fractal

sick sentinel
#

Ah so never

signal osprey
#

And I'll buy fractal when I'm done upgrading rando island enough to get full glacial obols

tall horizon
#

thats a good goal NODDERS

sick sentinel
signal osprey
#

I figure its a better use of bottle than an island that has bonuses I dont need and a trophy I cant get lol

tall horizon
#

ya, im saving mine for the star talent, then probably more loot as well

#

Thats the afk % one right?

signal osprey
#

Yeah but its not very much unfortunately

dapper prism
#

i just unlocked my rando earlier

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havnt been on it yet xD

tall horizon
#

better than nothing lol

signal osprey
#

I'm gonna get a few upgrades in random events before I save for talent

tall horizon
#

feels silly that the only thing I want from fractal is the star talent points to use for other island star talents hahaha

signal osprey
#

And depending on your random event luck it isnt really better than nothing tbh

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It gives like .5% afk per random even item slabbed

fallow aurora
#

I thought rando island was broken

signal osprey
#

So if you only have one or two done get some event upgrades first to start slabbing

tall horizon
#

Im missing grumblo axe and moon ring/hat

#

got the rest

signal osprey
tall horizon
#

the boss spawn works now, or should at least

signal osprey
#

That island is good for the upgrades it offers and those work

tall horizon
#

mine has been spawning correctly since the hotfix

signal osprey
#

I bought mine today so I cant really say whether or not it works but it did at least have a boss when I went there

sick sentinel
#

Is it reset on personal weekly?

tall horizon
#

ya

dapper prism
signal osprey
#

I'd imagine you upgrade them relatively evenly as they are multiplicative with each other

tall horizon
dapper prism
#

Got all except the afk

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and afk is kinda pointless for me

barren otter
#

any big things for defense trial?

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or is it kinda just where FMJ is at

dapper prism
#

think the rings can help?

barren otter
#

yea i got a few of the defense % stuff on

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guess 136k is as high as i can get with my current fmj

sick sentinel
#

Could ping camp lol, get some tips from the expert

barren otter
#

true

#

@fast grail help defence!

sick sentinel
#

Fmj boosts gear% so probably whatever has the highest of base gear def

barren otter
#

yea i went back and made some of the older pieces that had defence % on them

#

but kruk gear was just better

sick sentinel
#

Gotcha

#

How many points id that getting you rn

rancid gorge
#

Does arctis block ALL lab xp? For example, if character is put in lab but also has arctis, or xp given by bubo skill essence tranferral?

barren otter
#

honestly

#

im fine with this lol

plucky yarrow
sick sentinel
#

You got time to wait a bit

barren otter
#

yea

plucky yarrow
barren otter
#

i need to get to 146k to get the next pt

#

maybe thats enough from just fmj clicks

sick sentinel
#

But of a jump haha

barren otter
#

but yea...

#

10k is a lot

sick sentinel
#

Wanna farm def obols?

barren otter
#

thought about it... LOL

#

oh but those are just flat defence

#

dont think itll make a big diff

sick sentinel
#

Yeah doubtful

signal osprey
#

It adds up when you factor in the increase from fmj

#

Also iirc camp said he gets more defense from iron rings with +1 slot

barren otter
#

does fmj increase defence obols?

signal osprey
#

I would assume it does

sick sentinel
#

Thought camp said it was just from gear

#

But i coulda read it wrong

#

Could have been someone else saying that too

barren otter
#

im surprised iron ring with +1 is better

old coyote
#

whats the best way to get time candy? colo? Which one if so?

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and does drop rate affect chests at end of colo

sick sentinel
#

I looked and all he said was fmj multiplies def from equipment

sick sentinel
barren otter
#

im trying to make a +1 +12 str iron ring right now

sick sentinel
#

Colo3 is also fine if 2 id too painful, will just be a bit less

dreamy rapids
#

Why colo 2 specifically?

signal osprey
#

This was camps thoughts on the steel band

sick sentinel
dreamy rapids
#

The skilling part kinda fucks up DK orb

sick sentinel
#

If you dont have hp curse prayers its not so bad

#

Just cant really squeeze 2 runs in 1 orb

barren otter
#

wow

#

i am so dumb

#

i had balance of pain on

#

lmfao

signal osprey
dreamy rapids
#

Wait what do HP curse do when farming W2 colo?

sick sentinel
#

The resources last longer

dreamy rapids
#

Bruh...

signal osprey
#

Skilling nodes have decaying hp that gets increased by the prayer

sick sentinel
#

There is still likr 10-12 seconds in between rounds without but its manageable

dreamy rapids
#

So no drop rate prayer than...

sick sentinel
#

Sadly

dreamy rapids
#

Any way

#

Can you help with my account to see what I should push

#

Also to note I have all the pets up to Sheepie

sick sentinel
#

Laaaarrry for sure

#

Then chopping bubbles for prints

#

10k stamps

#

Eclipse skulls if you can reasonably get those

barren otter
#

hmm iron ring was worse

#

by a lot compared to protectors pride

sick sentinel
sick sentinel
barren otter
#

35 pts

sick sentinel
#

I also saw camp say any t3 keychains gave most def

barren otter
#

close enough

#

yea best i got

sick sentinel
#

๐Ÿซก

barren otter
#

kind of dropped those immediately in the past

#

so those are the only two i kept recently lol

signal osprey
#

I think the idea behind the steel band is that a perfect one with +1 slot and kruk stones outscales a non perfect protectors pride

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Because farming a perfect protectors is a lot harder to do

barren otter
#

yea i have a 3/3 kruk and a 4/4 kruk protectors

willow dawn
#

I just got w5 and I have doot. I read somewhere that all divinities are unlocked if you get characters to lvl 2. Do they show up on the platforms or is it an invisible boost?

barren otter
#

hopefully next time i get defence trial my FMJ is a lot higher

sick sentinel
#

Should be invisible, still gotta unlock them

barren otter
#

320k to get 40 pts is a huge jump from where im at

sick sentinel
#

but i dont have doot

daring moat
#

How do/did you guys go about unlocking new gods? Always go for the high % options or GAMBA whenever possible?

sick sentinel
#

Go lower option until 100% pops up is the usual play

daring moat
#

I see Hmm

icy bone
#

Hey ! In TD, is there a point to upgrade kraken towers in between breakpoints like beyond 10 without going to 15 ? like is the slight respawn increase is noticable ? does it affects other things ?

sick sentinel
#

For the support towers its mainly getting to every 5th upgrade for the bonus

scenic bridge
#

what i do

sick sentinel
#

Kill mobs

icy bone
sick sentinel
#

Probably like spawn time, cant check wiki rn sadly

scenic bridge
#

wiki is back up isnt it?

sick sentinel
#

Ah u right

old coyote
#

what do i need to do to catch up my chars to my pusher? my pusher is well developed and nobody else is

#

just gear and levels?

sick sentinel
#

Levels dont do much besides let you wear higher tier gear

#

Alchemy, stamps, cooking, artifacts all help quite a bit

old coyote
#

but those are account wide, not player specific

frail mauve
fast grail
barren otter
#

I had defence trial

#

got 35 pts was looking for small improvementss

fast grail
#

Ahh

#

Not sure on what you have, but Biggest short term ones would probably be farming full defense obols since FMJ counts those.

barren otter
#

yea was gonna do that

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when I clear out obol storage

lethal anvil
#

do any talents apart from es actually affect divinity or does the presets of my other characters donโ€™t matter

old coyote
#

I get 17k kills per hour on rams afk on my ES, but only 3k on my DK, 4k after transferring over most of my gear

sick sentinel
lethal anvil
#

k thanks

lethal anvil
fallow aurora
#

HOLY FUCK I JUST UNLOCKED CHEMICAL

ancient vine
#

Enjoy the never ending cycle of Logs ,sprinkle and chems

fallow aurora
#

I just hope it speeds this up, its been 2 weeks of just saving bits for a new import

elfin idol
#

I want off this ride and Im not at the first station yet

signal osprey
#

Get rid of half of them so you can cycle plants for chems

#

Its a lot faster that way

elfin idol
#

Will give that a go thanks

round gate
#

Guys, i was wondering if it's worth it to farm for the onyx statues quest for me rn. Lvl 350 dk with 7.8 DR, 1/63 crystal chance and Chocolatey Chip

#

I already have around 5000 power statues. What do you think?

sour oasis
#

good start

#

Need bigger DR And crystal chacne numbers

#

For it to not multiple days

#

not take*

uncut bear
#

How much DMG do i need for defeating chaotic krattle in 30 seconds?

sour oasis
#

Probably around 5 bil and 200% crit chance minimum

#

ES might be able to do it with less than 5 bil

uncut bear
#

I have 1.1 bil ๐Ÿ˜ฃ

sour oasis
#

5 keys arent hard to get

#

Just try it

round gate
#

Is the upgrade good enought for me to spend ~4 days getting it?

sour oasis
#

Full obol set will take a bit to get and world 2 crystal farming but its doable, if you get a full family and personal sheet full of dice obols it will boost drop rate by around 2.5x or something crazy

#

If demon genie and poop cards arent level 5/6 do that on ES first

untold saffron
#

could you theoretically get your snail's upgrade chance to 100% if you kept encouraging it?

signal osprey
#

No it has a cap

untold saffron
#

how do i work out the cap

signal osprey
#

For now you dont as you only have 1 level to lose

#

So you yolo until at least 22

round gate
signal osprey
#

After that you can start encouraging I guess and just accept that you'll be doing it forever

dim wind
#

This Dawn ring, is it ever better than the serrated rex one?

vagrant mountain
#

serrated rex is king

dim wind
#

then the question is to hoard them or to keep them in case they become an ingredient later on ๐Ÿ˜„

zealous niche
#

Iโ€™m hoarding the silver stopwatches since dusk stopwatches are also a thing

#

One of each to slab

#

Then keeping my silvers

echo remnant
#

yo, is there a cap on how fast my attackspeed can become?

magic ingot
#

at what point should I stop buying more trash upgrades

echo remnant
fast grail
#

Hmm, can golden hampter proc more than once or just once?

weary granite
#

when should I think about using minimum chest? even with a 10 hour claim I only get 5/13 chest slots filled up on the 2nd tier

untold saffron
zealous niche
weary granite
dim wind
#

getting messy

manic moat
#

How do you use the PO Box pens? I am gaining more than the collider is using. Do I just burn all my mob drops to use up all the pens?

dim wind
#

What I do is keep resetting and completing box 1 over and over

manic moat
#

Doesn't that use up all you resources?

dim wind
#

could also pick another box with a better reward, but box 1 is the easiest to farm and I only really care about the parcels anyway

#

I actually did it today, only went till streak 1500, tomorrow I'll let it reset so I can start on tuesday from streak 1

#

that way I avoid spending 50k per pen

manic moat
#

the resources I'm most concered about are the anvil materials

#

wait, how do you let it reset?

#

1500 means 1500 days until it goes to 0

dim wind
#

click on a pen, then on the shield

#

above 5 or so the shields will disappear

signal osprey
pallid raptor
#

Quick question, I need to make a 10th character, I have 2 divine knights, 2 bubonic conjurors, a elemental sorcerer, a beast master, siege breaker, blood berserker, and a maestro. I am in world 5

manic moat
#

so reset it after 100?

sick sentinel
#

balanced setup would be another siege breaker

dim wind
#

no point if it stops scaling after 100

pallid raptor
signal osprey
#

๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

dim wind
sick sentinel
pallid raptor
#

Ok!

manic moat
#

So If I'm struggling to get anvil materials, how do I speed that up?

west sandal
#

Bruh

signal osprey
#

Hammer hammer bubble

pallid raptor
#

I NEED THAT

dim wind
pallid raptor
#

King, itโ€™s the last one I need

west sandal
#

same

pallid raptor
#

Oh u got it one treat 5

west sandal
#

it was my free roll

pallid raptor
#

Iโ€™m on treat 4

dim wind
manic moat
#

I've maxed them all

zealous niche
polar light
#

Need more points to buy

heady lark
#

poing lag is killing me rn gonna cry

dim wind
#

W3 shop has a reset stone for them if you need

#

As you see here, I might be better off resetting the 1st account - no point having a 2-week cap.

polar light
#

All points in xp is the play

dim wind
#

why's that?

lethal anvil
#

Can you use candies on divinity?

polar light
polar light
dim wind
#

thought it might be similar philosophy to cogs

pallid raptor
#

Not only divinity but all world five

#

Candy too hot

#

๐Ÿฅต

prisma furnace
#

You cant candy the latest world

lethal anvil
#

looks like I need to get divinity the long way

#

actually idling

#

no way

polar light
#

Doesn't lava also nerf the previous world when he releases a new one?

dim wind
ocean lily
#

best speed run doesnt carry between presets? or have to relog maybe?

lethal anvil
pallid raptor
#

I been doing idling on divinity for 4-5 days

#

Got 4 gods

dim wind
#

When I got to W5 I put 8 people in the lab with div link, and per 2 accounts I pushed into W5

polar light
#

I've been trying to get the last god

pallid raptor
#

I really want the 5th one

lethal anvil
#

I just yeeted all my characters to divinity

pallid raptor
#

I recommend keep 1-2 off

polar light
#

All mine sitting in lab since I neglected that at first

dim wind
#

just make sure changing them all to lab once you've unlocked Goharut

pallid raptor
#

Lab is very neglected

#

I keep my bc on lab

polar light
#

I think my lowest character still needs 7 lab levels before I'm finally done with that

pallid raptor
#

And my blood berserker is farming monster to get 1m kills on each

green glacier
#

Once you finally get enough pet rolls to get a Doot you shall be free of the lab forever

lethal anvil
#

ew doot

polar light
#

Sadly that's not the case

pallid raptor
#

I wish I had doot

lethal anvil
#

foot

polar light
#

Still need to be in lab to get xp in it

green glacier
#

Yeah it's gonna take a while for f2p peeps

dim wind
#

i want foot too

pallid raptor
#

Iโ€™m sorry

#

It autocorrect

#

Doot not in discord Dictionary

green glacier
polar light
#

Hide your kids hide your feet

pallid raptor
#

I donโ€™t have kids

green glacier
#

I bought the initial green gems pack and while I didn't get Doot from that, I did get him a few weeks later

green glacier
polar light
#

Try pulling doot at like 196

pallid raptor
#

Ah Iโ€™m too young prob

green glacier
pallid raptor
#

Ah

dim wind
pallid raptor
#

I been cultured thanks

green glacier
dim wind
#

well what does that make me?

signal osprey
#

Old Grumblo_Pray

pallid raptor
#

Iโ€™m unsure what old means

green glacier
polar light
#

Ahh I remember rage comics

pallid raptor
#

I consider myself young

signal osprey
#

I know the meme too GuyMontag

green glacier
#

I was around back when I can haz cheezborger was new

pallid raptor
#

?

#

That sentence didnโ€™t make sense to me

green glacier
#

There used to be a site dedicated to sad cats asking for cheeseburgers

dim wind
#

I was there when 9gag only had 9 posts per page ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

green glacier
#

It was the original internet meme

pallid raptor
#

Ah

green glacier
#

Unless you count email chain letters

polar light
dim wind
#

Mm I know

polar light
green glacier
#

Did you ever use AlbinoBlackSheep?

pallid raptor
#

I feel like only the people who understand that are showing their age

#

Iโ€™m just ignorant so I can never tell

polar light
dim wind
green glacier
dim wind
#

And NOOOOOHH place to HIIIIDE

pallid raptor
#

Wait I actually know that I think

dim wind
pallid raptor
#

Yeah that my friend showed that to me

clear quartz
#

got some nice cooking gains today, think i got roughly 20x cooking speed from my chow work and catching up on some lale usage

green glacier
#

I'm about to turn thirty, but I'm pretty sure my spine's 97 next Tuesday bingshrug

dim wind
pallid raptor
#

Yay

polar light
#

I miss when Newgrounds was good

dim wind
#

or mousebreaker

#

or even miniclip

dim wind
#

your spine is 90? ๐Ÿ˜›

pallid raptor
#

Yes

clear quartz
#

newgrounds was great, for lots of assorted content

vagrant mountain
polar light
#

"content"

clear quartz
#

๐Ÿ˜‰

pallid raptor
#

How do I play Idleon better

clear quartz
pallid raptor
#

I feel so behind

dim wind
#

just keep grinding

green glacier
#

Listen to the llama song. It'll teach you about the safety rail.

pallid raptor
#

Iโ€™m suck atm in divinity

polar light
pallid raptor
#

I was busy in college

dim wind
pallid raptor
#

But my blood berserker is my damage dealer

green glacier
#

Once a char hits ~40 in divinity they get a skill that lets them keep gaining xp while doing other stuff

dim wind
#

The others are definitely better at fighting

pallid raptor
#

I only have 6 exp per hour

#

For all my characters

#

And 4 gods

green glacier
#

BB is so bad at fighting I had to class swap him temporarily to fight chaotic KK lol

#

I have no idea how I'ma beat chaotic KK with my vman

pallid raptor
#

How, he does 5x more damage then everyone else

green glacier
#

It'd help if the dang molten gloves would drop

pallid raptor
#

I donโ€™t have a v man

#

I have a maestro

#

He is only level 105

dim wind
green glacier
#

My characters are all above level 500, I literally cannot spend more skill points on anything until my library is ready to give me more books lol

pallid raptor
#

My avg level is 120, my bb is 170

solid epoch
#

BB normally sucks, urs is probably good because u might be focusing on the warrior bubbles

pure spindle
#

Quickest way to farm instablab follower drop?

green glacier
pallid raptor
#

Itโ€™s my first character, my bb

pure spindle
#

Opponent-wise

green glacier
#

I have no idea

pure spindle
#

Have the others finished from afk only 7k instablab, dk who drops em

polar light
#

The drop rate sucks on all of them

#

Just pick one you like

dim wind
# pallid raptor My avg level is 120, my bb is 170

Sounds like you're too quickly in W5, you're quite low level so that might indicate that you really rushed, meaning your other stats and gear are lagging behind. Nothing wrong with that of course, but it does mean at some point you'll have to stop pushing and fix any holes that might've formed

dim wind
worn sonnet
#

I hope this buff is good

pallid raptor
#

Ok so should I pull out of divinity and work on leveling up everyone

green glacier
#

Probably yeah

dim wind
#

stick with Div until level 40, then yes

#

because at lvl40, you can keep getting "free" div xp passive forever

green glacier
#

Oh right what @dim wind said

dim wind
#

You can earn many talenpoints by leveling up every skill to like 30 or 50. Once you get your account-wide buffs going (think stamps, alchemy and prayers), those go really quickly, that might be a nice next focus for you

pallid raptor
#

Ok is there a way to get my xp gain up

#

With divinity

green glacier
#

That and upgrade tools from skills being higher so you get more buffs from em

pallid raptor
#

None of my cards seem to work

green glacier
#

There's at least one vial for it

solid epoch
pallid raptor
#

Iโ€™m not their in vails

solid epoch
#

the new styles give way more

dim wind
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What style are you on?

pallid raptor
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Focus/mantra

teal lynx
dim wind
green glacier
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Aight I'm going back to YouTube, laters

polar light
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Get doot and have nobody in lab

dim wind
pallid raptor
dim wind
teal lynx
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Nice! ^^

dim wind
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Spend some time getting things like Zerg prayer in advance, that helped a lot too

pallid raptor
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I can post my ei thingy, I just got it

teal lynx
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I am at my Phone so not sure how good I can look at it, but there will certainly be folks around here willing to look over it

pallid raptor
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What

solid epoch
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yeh ur stamps and alch are quite low for w5

dim wind
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your anvil is also overflowing, might wanna make it a habit of just clicking through quick-access to empty it

pallid raptor
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I started the game only like 2-3 months ago

solid epoch
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are u trying to unlock these daily?

dim wind
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For every account that completes the quest, you get 1 daily key. So you might wanna push all accounts (after div 40) to the end to get 10 daily keys - will come in very handy when grinding for the chizoar blankie

pallid raptor
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Iโ€™m waiting for the week to reset

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So I can get my big mobs to reset

heady lark
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poing got me going insane is there an optimal way to do it or do i just have skil issue

dim wind
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You can already buy so many extra points for the anvil with the resources in your bank, might be a nice increase in xp and production

solid epoch
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u can craft these meals rn with the spices u have

dim wind
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Try not to balance your spices as 5-4-3-2-1 but use this chart for proper balance ๐Ÿ™‚

pallid raptor
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I been getting bad luck

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For the recipes

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Even if rate is 85%

solid epoch
pallid raptor
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Ok so I should max out my anvil, Iโ€™ll do that

solid epoch
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try to unlock all of ur bubbles at least

pallid raptor
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Iโ€™m working on it

solid epoch
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active playing bubo will drastically speed up bubble unlocking speed

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though u will want to upgrade cranium cooking in order to do that

dim wind
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you've got a few characters overflowing in worship energy

solid epoch
polar light
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Alchemy is the single most important thing you'll learn to hate

pallid raptor
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Iโ€™m bad at the game

dim wind
solid epoch
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upgrade that bubble a ton then active bubo

pallid raptor
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I thought I was doing well for 2-3 months of gameplay

dim wind
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Noone says you aren't

solid epoch
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with everyone on the 4 cauldrons u will unlock the bubbles really fast once u start doing cranium

dim wind
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we're just pointing out where to focus on next

pallid raptor
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Iโ€™ll focus on that bubble

heady lark
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i've just been cranium cooking for like 4 weeks now and neglecting everything else I need to stop tbh

pallid raptor
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And Iโ€™ll max out my anvil rn

solid epoch
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yeah its super easy for u to level rn, just set some 3d printer on it

pallid raptor
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I have those already on printer 16k per hour

dim wind
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Don't have this prayer on if you're doing div

solid epoch
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nice, shouldnt be hard to level the bubble to like lvl 50-100 then

pallid raptor
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Oh

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Shit

heady lark
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oof

pallid raptor
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YOUR RIGHT

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Iโ€™ll take that off

solid epoch
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it doesnt change ur div exp

dim wind
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thought neg did but pos didn't

solid epoch
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i just tested

pallid raptor
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Oh cool

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Less work for me

dim wind
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I see you're still in dementia gear on most accounts, this help is fairly easy to farm and worth it for a long time:

pallid raptor
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I donโ€™t have that unlocked yet

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I need more merit points

dim wind
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right

boreal scaffold
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Its The Last task till chaotic chiz task

solid epoch
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i skipped all of chizoar and just went from efaunt to troll gear because it was annoying to craft

dim wind
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Still using Chizoar helm on 3 accounts I think

clear quartz
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its an exciting aprt of the game to be in at least, still kinda drowning in stuff to do, but back then it felt slightly more fun/exciting lol

dim wind
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always something to do

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now I've got 6 accounts at Stiltmoles farming 2k hampsters ๐Ÿฅฑ

solid epoch
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accounts or characters?

dim wind
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characters ๐Ÿ˜›

solid epoch
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ah ok lol

clear quartz
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i should do more hampter farming again

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get the mat bags on everyone that seems to struggle on that front at least lol