lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[sacred verge]

for classes the best way to go is 3 warriors, 3 mages, 3 archers

most ppl do 2 DK 1 BB, 2 ES 1 bubo, 2 SB 1 BM

[tawdry ember]

time for them to leave the lab then

[craggy quail]

?ban 503576169799614465 racist

[verbal canyon]

sunisdown was banned. | racist

[raw tundra]

i saw people kill chizoar to farm gems. what was the other boss they farm gems from

[sacred verge]

kattlekruk works great

fairly easy to farm keys

you can farm gems for any boss tho, but you need keys so best pick one u can farm keys for

[teal lynx]

U don't he is too op :)

#newplayer-chat-w1🍀w2⏳ btw :)

More DMG. Hit Moles and only hit kattlecruk when your AOE is up. Similar to the Vman run in the Pins

[rapid shale]

voidman secret class

warrior, archer, mage, beginner

not voidman

[teal lynx]

Look up Journeyman on Youtube

[rapid shale]

beginner->journeyman->maestro->vman

[sacred verge]

beginner -->jman--->mman--->vman

[rapid shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nETmvOIRRVU

Voidman gives huge accountwide buffs

[dawn pelican]

can somebody come to key world 1 mimics plz i need to do snake jar quest

[rapid shale]

what server\

[dawn pelican]

key 1

do u need the quest too

[rapid shale]

not right now, bu ty

[sacred verge]

should i be using balloons or pearls to lvl cooking?

[waxen fjord]

which ones?^

[rapid shale]

that work for you?

[dawn pelican]

no, it didnt show up

there we go it worked

[rapid shale]

lit

[dawn pelican]

thanks a lot

[rapid shale]

np

[fathom lagoon]

I usually use balloons to lvl 20ish, gray pearls to 30 and the red pearls to 50

[tacit tulip]

^you'll only have abundant red pearls if you have doot

[sacred verge]

what do ppl even do with the red pearls after hitting 50 on every skill?

[spring raptor]

guess they can be hoarded for next world/new characters

[manic prism]

Does the +100 library level bonus not work for the rift bonus from lvl 1000 construction buildings?

[little pagoda]

Red pearls are only needed for cooking but there's basically no other way of reaching 50 cooking

[little pagoda]

Can reach 30 though so at least there's that

[manic prism]

Sorry i meant the library book level my current max is 220 i thought it would up to 320

[cerulean hemlock]

I'm here for yet another ban! Great 🙂

[little pagoda]

It's for building level, not talent leve

talent cap is 235 iirc

[manic prism]

oh so its the building level itself?

[tacit tulip]

ok so tell me what you think this does

[little pagoda]

Yeah

So basically just to increase checkout speed more

[manic prism]

totally misread that

thank you

[tacit tulip]

this also increases max shrine level, it doesn't add 100 to the current level

[signal osprey]

Balloons

[little pagoda]

Yeah, if you get lots of them, but it's much harder than having doot and getting free pearls lol

[signal osprey]

50 doesn't even take that many balloons tbh

75 is the rough one

[tacit tulip]

like 10k balloons per 75 right?

[little pagoda]

I hope not because I'm just waiting for free rolls doot at this point

[signal osprey]

Depends on the class but yeah its around there

[sacred verge]

damn

i got 5k total lol

[signal osprey]

I used close 12k on my bubo but thats one of the worst ones

BB and vman could probably be under 10k and DK gets some extra bonus as well

[little pagoda]

I hope cooking eventually becomes levelable without pearls or balloons eventually

But I doubt it

[signal osprey]

Not really a big deal though as cooking levels don't do much and without cooking balloons lose basically all relevance

[tacit tulip]

cooking mostly hurts me as I know I'll never reach 1k on all skills

[signal osprey]

Plus you'd still rather use balloons than actually cook anyway because why cook on anyone other than BB lol

[tacit tulip]

I guess breeding is also basically impossible tho

[signal osprey]

Just need more balloons

[tacit tulip]

hmm breeding is possible once the new classes come out

75@14 gets you 1050

[signal osprey]

Its kinda possible now if you run enough W4 colo

[tacit tulip]

yeah but no

[signal osprey]

I know 90 has already been hit

[dreamy rapids]

It's as possible as green stack freezbie

[sacred verge]

is it confirmed 14 chars?

[tacit tulip]

nah

[signal osprey]

Greenstack Frisbee is easy lol

[tacit tulip]

we need at least 3 more for all planned characters, which would be 13

[signal osprey]

You can vman print it

[dreamy rapids]

Fuck I always forget how to write it

I guess a better analogy would be max vial hampter or pearl

[signal osprey]

Not really though because neither of those are possible whereas 100 breeding is very possible

[tacit tulip]

lvl200 primordial is like, possible, but not worth the effort. Ignoring the build reqs at least

[dreamy rapids]

Yeah I kinda stopped bothering leveling it up

[tacit tulip]

I still level it just for the sake of cons mastery

as build rate scales with building total

[dreamy rapids]

What is max Con level anyway?

[signal osprey]

I need more black lenses to keep pushing mine. I finally ran out

There is no max level

[dreamy rapids]

To con mastery?

[tacit tulip]

technically there's a max but we have no way to hit it rn

[signal osprey]

Oh on that I'm not sure. I know it goes to at least 2500 but thats not really possible

After 2300 it gets very very slow

[dreamy rapids]

Well let's see what OP shit W6 bring us

And I still wonder what the last 2 gods are gonna be

[sacred verge]

yeah give us those 2 last gods

[signal osprey]

Not until I get my doot though

[tacit tulip]

shrines: 200x9 = 1800
wizards: 120x9 = 1080
top line: 10+201+51+10+25+60+50+5+200 = 612

total: 3492 max construction mastery

[sacred verge]

bring em now!

[signal osprey]

No more advantages to doot owners until I'm a doot owner too

[sacred verge]

lol

you want ppl to wait for years?

[dreamy rapids]

I just want a non duplicate pet

[sacred verge]

id take a dupe if it was two doots

[signal osprey]

If I have to wait years for doot then everyone can wait years

[dreamy rapids]

F2P for life

[tacit tulip]

can they at least add trading so I can steal my fiancee's dupe slug

[dreamy rapids]

The fact that you can't even trade free pets is probably the worst part about it

[signal osprey]

Can't trade any pets currently and I don't see that changing anytime soon

[cerulean hemlock]

me 2 then

[cerulean hemlock]

You got a fiancee? Good job! I only have gf...

[dreamy rapids]

Damn bro

I have non

[cerulean hemlock]

We sad for the better

[sacred verge]

none = sanity intact

trust me

[cerulean hemlock]

True

But we all want to go insane 🙂

[signal osprey]

Thats why we play idleon

[rapid shale]

are these really the next classes or just placeholders?

[dreamy rapids]

They are

[rapid shale]

kinda dope

[cerulean hemlock]

Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Some here

[cerulean hemlock]

Both, since this is Lava

[proven basin]

so i just unlocked w5, what do to now?

[proven basin]

funny how a barbarian becomes a death bringer

[old coyote]

divinity

so much divinity

[proven basin]

wdym by that

[rapid shale]

put ur chars on the pedstal

big gains

[proven basin]

almost all?

[rapid shale]

yes

[proven basin]

how abt the lab?

[rapid shale]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

once you get goharut go back to lab

[proven basin]

ok so abandon lab for the moment

[rapid shale]

pretty much what I did

[proven basin]

okay

[rapid shale]

also make sure to get sailing and gaming going. they can easily be done at the same time

[proven basin]

ty

[rapid locust]

Is it worth keeping your mman or just going for void? I feel like mman is pretty terrible

[rapid shale]

vman is big. does take a while to get tho

[untold lintel]

stuck on this, what team should I use? i got 6 slots

[wanton wren]

As big as to rush it freshly into w5?

[untold lintel]

ive tried both

just gotta keep trying?

[fallen juniper]

yup

pray to RNGesus and hope your shields dont get turn by alchemic

[rapid shale]

probably wont be able to do it quickly when just reaching w5. it requires 13 mill kills mman at mushroom, 1 mill kills for death note on all w1-w3 mobs, and defeating chaotic chizoar on mman

[rapid shale]

I only did it once I had goharut and was able to take a couple char off divinity

[wanton wren]

Idk im nearly 2 weeks into w5 but im still pushing for goat on all, dont know if i should aim maestro to 150 and try his class

[rapid shale]

hes good, but if its going to take like a month to do it, it probably isnt worth yet

if you can get those deathnote kills then go for it

[wanton wren]

I can get them its just a matter of getting a couple more lvls on mman, hes at 132 and he lvels so slow in w5 compared to the others

he gets like 50m hour

[rapid shale]

whats your damage on mman rn?

[wanton wren]

Ill quick check 1s

[rapid shale]

and are you active farming with him?

[wanton wren]

Afked him until 133 for now

[rapid shale]

active will be much faster

[rapid shale]

ooh ye, mine was at like 10mil damage before i pushed for vman

[wanton wren]

How do you even get there lol

my highest is bubo at around 8m his max

[rapid shale]

alhemy, sailing, MSA totalizer, green stacks, lab

[wanton wren]

but maestro literally doesnt go higher at all

[teal lynx]

Alchemy gives you the most damage, but it will take some time

[wanton wren]

Yea all those 3 last are lacking as i dont have them yet

what does he focuses off on alch for dmg though

[rapid shale]

youll see huge gains at that point. I was about a month into w5 before I notice a big difference.

whats your alchemy look like rn?

[wanton wren]

Well its gonna be hardd to show because i dont have ie

but overall i upgrade bubbles daily

all of the main stats, % dmg, skilling

base dmg too

[rapid shale]

those will just keep adding up. also theres a damage talent that increases damage for every 5 levels of you maestros lowest skill

[untold lintel]

will this get to 200?

[wanton wren]

Yea my lowest is 30 so far

im getting them higher again in an attempt of getting some dmg on him

[rapid shale]

its gonna be hard to tell where your damage is lacking without IE honestly

[wanton wren]

I could try make one

is it just logging in?

[rapid shale]

you just sign in, its easy

it is also very helpful for managing your account

[wanton wren]

kay give 1 s

[untold lintel]

its going so slow but im not dying or taking damage

[wanton wren]

https://elliessed.idleonefficiency.com/

Correct me or lmk if sent it wrong

[eager sedge]

Yeah that s the nasty part

when u have low power pets

[teal lynx]

I will quickly look over and tell what you could do. I will also edit this message several times :)
You have 12 empty Forge slots
Some easy Stamps you could get in earlier Worlds
You should farm some Drop Rate Obols
Unlock all Bubbles, Bubo is good for this. Cooking Roadkill Big Bubble (Alchemy) helps alot with CC
Construction needs some Work. I can't see your Board, but the Strat is 1/2 DK's (depending on how many you have) on the Board and the other 8 Guys producing Cogs. Then all in on normal and directional XP Cogs -> With better Construction you can upgrade Towers to get some better Worship (This will take alot of time)
You should try and buy every Jewel possible. You can check the pins in #midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮, there is a Document that shows when specific Jewels and Chips come into Rotation so u can prepare for them. Really Important: If possible try to get everything for Choco Chip, which comes into Rotation around Christmas (26.12 if I remember correctly)
Maestro: You are already working on his Skills which is good. But u also want to level your other peoples skills at some point. They give Talent Points and you can upgrade the Tools with Str/Wis/Agi/Luk, which will be a huge boost for you
Definitely level Printer Go Brrr (Maestro Talent 3)!!!
I can't check your Cards on IE, but u probably need to farm Crystal Cards (Poop and Genie) and Drop Rate Cards
Kill your Minibosses (Slush W3 and Mutated Mush W4) they give good stuff :)
This is just a quick overlook. Probably forgot quite some stuff, but you can work on those things for now

[wanton wren]

Appreciate it

[rapid shale]

it sent right, im just looking it over, it looks pretty good so far honestly, looking for cracks as well

[rapid shale]

i cant see your maestros damage talents

[wanton wren]

I took it back to skilling, ill change it again and show you 1s

Check now

[rapid shale]

might have to post a pic i think you can only uodate public profile once every four hours

[wanton wren]

got u

[rapid shale]

looks good, but def use that telent library to level up sharpened axe and gilded sword

upgrade your armor with main stat upgrade stones from w5. try and get the next tier of weapon for mman.

main stat is going to matter a lot more from now on

[pulsar cliff]

Finalllllyy

[rapid shale]

this star talent is super important as well. completing more quest = more mman main stat

[wanton wren]

Oh yeah recently unlocked it and got like 60 luk from it so far

[short sparrow]

putting this question in W5 because of where my account is, but am I wasting 3D printer spots by dedicating so many to literally every resource you can print for combustion cycles?

like I have the 3m combust cycle and big'ish prints with divinity doot/lab

[pulsar cliff]

So personally I only put those prints on when I run out, and after a day or two once my stash is well restocked I take them back off.

[still delta]

Does anyone know how to get green bits?

[rapid shale]

1000 quadrillion white bits

[short sparrow]

i'll probably do this. i feel like I"m wasting so much printing lol

[still delta]

Thank you

[pulsar cliff]

Some of those I print for my hourly prints anyways? But yeah. Like today I ran out of goldfish cause I wasn't paying attention. Swapped over and 1h later I'm good for awhile again

[rapid shale]

also I cant see your cards, but as many %total damage as you can

[prisma lance]

What unlock the other bonuses in the Slab, like the divinity bonus

[tacit tulip]

they're pretty much all artifacts

[neat barn]

what should i lvl? 25 points to spend

[valid rivet]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I have 5 characters on Mantra, shouldn't I be getting at least 15 exp for this amount of time?

[tacit tulip]

!matra

damn is that not the code?

[grizzled elk]

!mantra

[obtuse orbit]

Mantra works a bit differently compared to other Divinity styles. The gains of having all ten characters on mantra will not visually show up in neither afk info screen, nor afk claim screen.

In order for your characters to get their fair share of shared exp, you start by first claiming the afk time of a mantra character. The game, upon claiming afk mantra time, will then calculate what should be sent to the rest of your characters. However, that shared exp also does not show up on the remaining characters afk claim screen, but it does get added to your divinity exp bar none the less!
The easiest way to make sure mantra is working for you is to claim all afk time on all mantra characters, and watch your exp bars on the rest of your characters go up.

(Shared exp from the bubos lab talent also works the same way! Gotta claim your bubo first to let the game know how much exp should be shared)

[tacit tulip]

oh I just can't type

[valid rivet]

Ahh

[fading cape]

Haven't switched to character in a while. Put on chip and switched around one card. Went over 1T damage for first time every.

[noble mesa]

Noicee

[wanton wren]

About the 12 forge slots empty, idk what else to burn really, I have some copper and iron melting with the automatic thing from the arm but idk what else I could be melting and what for as of now.
Ill get some work on those stamps then, first time checking these.
Also, what would I use the drop rate obols for?
About the bubbles, I tried doing it before with my bubo, but after 1 usage of the skill I got like 5000s, i dont know if thats a lot but Im upgrading the cooking roadkill a lot and the alchemy skill from bubo but I dont see much progress on bubble speed.
My construction is filled with % exp cogs, 1.1k% exp atm, didnt know about that strat so thanks about that.
Ill check the doc for jewels, some i cant buy yet because I dont have the breeding bottle things tho

[noble mesa]

Its dmg set or DR set?

[fading cape]

It's my AFK drop rate farming set. I changed out one card for a damage card because I noticed I was at 800B damage

[noble mesa]

Veryyyyy noice

I think im like u with my es

He is at 900b

[fading cape]

yeah just switch out a card and add a doubler chip. haha. I'm going to immediately take it off. But didn't realize how close I was.

[noble mesa]

Its a nice namber to get

[autumn wasp]

is there an optimal class to candy eclipse skulls?

[burnt sail]

Been gone for the last 6 months. Anyone want to offer up some advice on where to focus? Seems like rifts and the new W2 islands will be good to catch up on, and I just unlocked Vman.

https://babybell.idleonefficiency.com/

[tacit tulip]

your alchemy is in a very good place considering how long you've been gone

[potent salmon]

what is this?

[potent salmon]

im so lucky then xD

[teal lynx]

Melt whatever you need for your Gear. You could also just put some copper in it and level the vial a bit (if you can sustain that)
Drop Rate helps you with Rare Drops, Materials from Enemies, Coin Gain etc. Just an overall stat you wanna max out
Good Cranium Cooking comes from increasing the talent and the Bubble. There are several ways to increase Max Lvl of talents. 75 come from Sailing, 5 from an Achievment in World 3, 10 from Atom Upgrades (you are far from this), 20 from Salt lick and maybe even some more. If you got all of them then your Talents can go up to level 245 increasing duration and time gained per kill. Also the Alchemy P.O Box increases Cranium Cooking by 30 seconds
In the beginning u won't be getting as much, but you can atleast do it once per day to get some good alchemy gains :)

[tacit tulip]

Given most of your stuff is in order I'm gonna say you probably know what you're doing. Main thing to work on is getting your Vman highscore for talent points then max out the vman cooking talent. This'll make your cooking explode past where it currently is

[burnt sail]

Appreciate it, thanks. I have heard Vman is huge but admittedly have no idea why. Got some reading to do I suppose.

[tacit tulip]

This works the same way as diamond chef - it's multiplicative with itself

The resulting bonus is only 1/100 what it should be, but it's still an insanely powerful bonus

[burnt sail]

Oh dang, that's huge.

[wanton wren]

Alright tysm ❤️ , also, the obols for drop rate do i put them on family obols?

[burnt sail]

Good thing I came back to like 300k ladles, lol. Guess I'll save those...

[tacit tulip]

definitely

your early plate leveling up will be seconds, not hours

[rapid shale]

for the Kitsune faster active bonus upgrade, if I have 10% does that mean my plants are growing 4.4x faster instead of 4?

[tacit tulip]

There's also now something called "super chows" with BB - 100m kills increases cooking speed by 10%

[paper sail]

Trying to get a gauge.. Did anyone actually buy the +prayer slot in gem shop "early" and not regret it?

[burnt sail]

Super chows... for real. Oh boy lol.

[burnt sail]

652x.. what is your cooking speed on your first table like?

[tacit tulip]

uh, lots

[teal lynx]

First on Family Tab and after that you should also farm atleast one set for normal Tab. Silver Pop Obols for circle spots (obtained from gigafrog in W1) and Dice Obols obtained in W2 for Square, Hex, Sparkle
You can reroll all obols to give +1 Dr. You should do this on the lowest level of the Obols. So Bronze for Pop Obols and Silver for Dice Obols. This will take some Shards but it will be worth it in the end

[dusk sedge]

hi, i'v just unlocked fractal island and used a 24h candy, i dropped that, isn't it supposed to be rare ?

[tacit tulip]

gimme a sec just doing my skulls

[tacit tulip]

1/100k chance per hour you afk

[burnt sail]

I just bumped mine to like 290Q and I thought that was good, but I'm guessing I'm way behind 😂

[valid rivet]

Is there any guideline on when I should start hunting for ancient relics? Im currently pinging between whether I should unlock cloud 5 or get ancient forms from first island

[dusk sedge]

eh ? so i'v litterally had a master roll there ?

[tacit tulip]

yup

[wanton wren]

Oh okay, got it then ^^ will have a couple things to do now tysm

[dusk sedge]

am i not supposed to put that into archivements pics then ? xD

thx for the answer btw

[steep pulsar]

Any advice on want to go for next? Started plateau out and not sure what I should be aiming for next.
https://calisgett.idleonefficiency.com/

Not sure what to do for maximising alchemy gains, just been atoming bubbles 1-3 cause it's cheapest

[tacit tulip]

get larry to at least 100%, preferably 105/110

the sooner you do it the better

[valid rivet]

Better skull for char #5, unless slush skull is somehow a meta I missed

[tacit tulip]

if you haven't get the tusk ancient asap. It's artifact find chance so essential for progress in general

Similarly, most sailing artifacts are worth acient asap to help progress to later stuff

[burnt sail]

Good lord.. 👀

[tacit tulip]

my cooking is actually still pretty neglected

so it can go much higher

[burnt sail]

That's pretty nuts. Yeah, OK, gotta work on Vman and chows. Got it lol.

[tacit tulip]

if you haven't you'll want to start looking at onyx statues too

quest npc is at flombs in w4

[untold lintel]

holy, its been like an hour and im only on round 182/200, im getting there

[burnt sail]

Are there new MK bonuses, or was your damage just high enough to hit good tiers in every map? It has been a while since I did any mobbing on my barb, but I feel like he'll die off pretty quickly into w3 or w4. Especially if going for 100m.

[tacit tulip]

Vman also has a pretty chunky MK bonus

[burnt sail]

Keep it up. Arena is a grind for sure, but worth it.

[burnt sail]

Ohhh that's great!

Speed run is basically just pushing through maps in order, right? Re-unlocking portals etc

[teal lynx]

Sakori do you know what the recommended kph was for Super chowing W2?

[tacit tulip]

essentially. There's some nice tricks you can do with it

such as teleporting to tree, using the aoe nuke vman gets to reduce portal, then teleporting away until it's off cd again

dunno what the recommended is unfortunately

[teal lynx]

All good ^^

[tacit tulip]

think I did mine around 5m gmush/hr??

[teal lynx]

Need to check my Gmush. Think it was around 6m. 2m on Sand Pots rn. But didn't have the motivation to use all the Candys

[tacit tulip]

I candied 1B deathnote a couple weeks ago so I cannot judge

[teal lynx]

I did only W1 last week

Nice damage increase. Got me the recipe for Divine Scarf

Just need that damn Pendant to craft it :(

[pulsar cliff]

Need to go finish off accuracy statues and fishing statues.

I'm hoping accuracy are a little less painful than W3

[tacit tulip]

they're not quite as bad

but still pretty bad

[prisma vigil]

Is the orb from DK multiplicative or additive?

As in: Does it multiply my 7x droprate at 100 stacks from 7 to 14x or does it go from 7x to 8x

[tacit tulip]

effectively it's amultiply

it works kinda weirdly, but that's the easiest way to see it

[pulsar cliff]

Is 60 max level for plates currently?

[tacit tulip]

basically at 100 stacks the game counts as you killing two of the monster, and gives you the appropriate drops

at 150 it counts as 2, with a 50% chance of counting as 3

I think

[potent gust]

W5 leveling is something else i've to say

[prisma vigil]

Aha, gotcha. Then the wording on the talent is just not great in conveying that. It's more like multikill than increase in droprate :p

[pulsar cliff]

It gets absolutely wild.

[potent gust]

I can imagien haha, I sadly can't push like that atm, I'd like to target a level 200 character soon

[pulsar cliff]

It'll happen in W5 before you know it

[potent gust]

Well a few days ago I was training in W5 at like 100M / hour (with Mman)

now with Vman and more characters free for cooking etc I can see a difference

But i've to admit now, I can feel the need of doot

[sharp igloo]

That cash per hour is the wild part lol. How many gmush kills do you have?

[pulsar cliff]

Uhhh

[sharp igloo]

Thats a little more than twice as many as me, but your getting like 5x as much money lol.

[tacit tulip]

25b gmush, but no coin stuff equipped lol

[sharp igloo]

Im at 22b gmush, and with money stuff equipped (but not doubled money cards since im doubling crystal spawn cards) mine shows as like 60 dreadlo per hour. (A little higher if I equip a staff instead of stingers)

[pulsar cliff]

From my IE page for Bubo

[sharp igloo]

Which tab can you find that under in IE?

[pulsar cliff]

Players, scroll down to monster cash, hover.

[sharp igloo]

Cool thanks

[tacit tulip]

does ie not show coin bonuses from divinity?

Imight just be being blind

[pulsar cliff]

Doesn't look like.

[sharp igloo]

Yeah your alchemy meal and lab bonuses are all just way higher

[pulsar cliff]

I just broke 33k wisdom which is definitely powering a healthy chunk of that.

[sharp igloo]

Yeah i have around 20kwis, but my alchemy boost for money is only half of yours lol

[sharp igloo]

Doesnt that one cost like 5k atoms to level up each time lol?

[pulsar cliff]

I'm levelling it with alien logs, not atoms.

[sharp igloo]

Ohhh smart

[paper sail]

Posting here as well to fish for feedback

I've put together a Gem Shop calculator, sortable by priority tiers. Only problem is the tier lists we have floating around Discord are ~8+ months old, so I kinda made up what felt right to me.

(Reply / ping me with issues or thoughts! As per usual, gotta make your own copy to enter your own data.)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U3zxMn-tcQE504aObTmsKKnBycYp-Fud_Kl6vmj0poM/edit?usp=sharing

[sharp igloo]

Do you just have 1 guy printing them in 1 slot?

[pulsar cliff]

Yeah, it's definiely not something I can click hourly, though I need to resample this weekend.

[tacit tulip]

4 more characters to go

[pulsar cliff]

Dang

[sharp igloo]

What are you doing with those 4 chara ters to raise your crit damage?

[tacit tulip]

monolith quest for statues

[sharp igloo]

Ah

[fast grail]

I’m too scared to turn in my crit dmg statues, just constant feeling that I can push the statue bubble further

[gray schooner]

what a beauty

[chrome tiger]

Does it respect values > 100?

[fast grail]

huh? you refering to vial?

[untold lintel]

lets goooo! im on 190/200 on arena now, just like another 2 hours

[chrome tiger]

right, so what bubble are you talking about?

is it something about starting > 0 after a level up?

[fast grail]

yeah, there is a soft/hard cap tho

[dense prism]

are woodmush better for wooden circulars ? on an active es

[untold saffron]

Bet something in W6 will drop kapows anyway

[untold saffron]

Replied to the wrong message

[fast grail]

Maybe, but also doubt, kapows have been around since w2 and this is the first time we got a lot

[dim wind]

Roughly where does cranium cooking max at? is 91k close?

[fast grail]

not even close, prob around 440l-450k is current endgame max

[dim wind]

Sick, I'll keep improving

[fast grail]

400k is pretty doable if slug, otherwise like 370k-390k

[dim wind]

slug?

[grizzled elk]

pet

[tacit tulip]

rift slug, the +25 to all talents companion

[dim wind]

ah, thanks

[paper sail]

Yeah without Slug, I hit around 375k on average with max 245 books, on bear

I've seen 400k pop up once or twice, but dependant on crystal luck

[dim wind]

[old coyote]

so how does mk work? I have 1k multikill % and damage tier 12, does that mean each kill counts for 120?

[dreamy rapids]

Yeah...

I think

[rapid locust]

What's there max talent points you can get from the library? 245?

[teal lynx]

Yes

[rapid locust]

Ok ty!

I just got into w5 and I feel like I'm ready to tackle the last third of w3 skills 😂

[tacit tulip]

you likely have some flat bonuses to MK too, but that's the gist of it

[teal lynx]

That is normal :)

[dreamy rapids]

Gonna take a while until you get the 245 cap

[paper sail]

Damage tier already increases your multikill%, don't include it a second time.

Multikill of 100% means you get +1 kill, so 1000% = +10 kills.

[tacit tulip]

I'm really looking forward to w6 tbh. The day w5 came out is the day I killed troll, so I've never been "ready" for a new world before

[teal lynx]

Can't wait to multikill the first 10 Mobs in W6
(Hopefully I can get there :D)

[rapid locust]

I'll never be ready, I unlocked anvil 4 when I got to w5. It almost feels like I'm doing it wrong based off the first two anvil tab progression

[old coyote]

im w5 with only tab 3 unlocked if it helps

[rapid locust]

It feels like they are greatly out of sync or I'm just bad

[tacit tulip]

You'll be surprised, anvil 4 is by far the hardest part of anvil

w5 is incredibly easy in comparison

[teal lynx]

Only "Problem" is those Hampters for Bags, Weapons

[rapid locust]

I tried to just slow push through w4 in hopes that it might even out but a month into w4 i just said fuck it and candied out

[dreamy rapids]

Yknow crystal island is actually pretty good at leveling up characters that were left behind

[rapid locust]

If you have a few hours for them to chip away lol

[teal lynx]

My Vman gets a a level or 2 each time I visit Crystal Island

[rapid locust]

I went into Crystal Island after a week of forgetting and my bb was speced for fishing. That took me a solid 6 hours but I ain't giving up my loot haha

[teal lynx]

Do those Crystals have insane health? I just oneshot them and assumed everybody would just 1 hit them

[untold lintel]

man im so impatient with pet arenas, shits taking 15 minutes per round but im at 194 now

[rapid locust]

My highest is only 167. I'm a noodle

[burnt sail]

What's the current highest base talent level book? I'm at 220.

[tacit tulip]

245

[paper sail]

They're pretty chonky. I believe it is x30 and x25 from normal, or ~x750 total hp

[tacit tulip]

third tier of artifact for the missing 25

[burnt sail]

Ah ok, thanks.

[tacit tulip]

And, if you've not done it yet, that's unlocked via the rift in w4

[jagged relic]

Is there a set way to beat this weekly boss?

[teal lynx]

But what is considered as "Normal" for those? First Enemy of the respective World?

[jagged relic]

Which choices do I pick?

[tawny jacinth]

Nope cause based on skills/stats that are unique to your account 😄

[burnt sail]

Yeah I really need to get into rift. Just did my first speedrun on vman so I think I'll start on that next.

[teal lynx]

A lot of buffing, resetting back to first player and attacking in between. I did it first try, but I am also nearly at Endgame Level and have some high skills on everyone so it might be harder for you

I think somewhere in this Discord was also a guide for this week

[teal lynx]

Day 1 strats

Yeah this

[craggy fern]

whats the max dr on silver pop obols?

[dreamy rapids]

6

Unless you talk about pop

That's 4

[craggy fern]

and to get 4 % i need two 2% bronzes?

[tacit tulip]

a 3% bronze in the left slot

[dreamy rapids]

You need 1 3%

[tacit tulip]

upgrade inherit the left slots rerolled bonuses

you can reroll once upgrade dbut it costs more per attempt

so is not advised

[dreamy rapids]

I still needs to finish my DR obol table

But I am so too lazy to go AFK at steaks

[prisma vigil]

Are the enemies during the Vman void run all same hp as their non-run counterparts?

[tacit tulip]

Yeah, that means don't use prayers that increase their hp 😄

[prisma vigil]

Coolio! Was hoping i could test up to where he was able to oneshot stuff 😄

[jagged relic]

What's high skills? Over lvl 100?

I'm also end game, most my skills are at 90-100+

[jagged relic]

So if I follow this I should be fine?

[teal lynx]

I am more like 80 and did it

So yeah you should be fine

[jagged relic]

Okay perfect, I'll follow that list of numbers and hope for the best

The number thing didn't quite work but it's kinda a common sense ish thing? Just read it and pick miscs when you can. I Beat it anywayc

[dreamy rapids]

During Vman run should I use the prayers that decrease damage for more kills?

[jagged relic]

Nothing worth buying in the trophy shop is there?

[dreamy rapids]

The watch is pretty good

[grizzled elk]

is the watch an item you use or is it instant when you purchase it?

[teal lynx]

An Item

+1 Slab

[grizzled elk]

good to know, ty

[teal lynx]

Maybe u can use them during events and farm 50 more boxes per watch

People are not sure yet

[dreamy rapids]

Talking about slab

So like am locked from getting the steamy candy

And how do I get pre crime box

[signal osprey]

If you've done all 4 treasure hunts and didnt slab the steamy candy then yeah you're just locked out

Pre crime box you just wait for 11th character if youve done the quest on everyone already

[paper sail]

bump

[dreamy rapids]

So too late for the steamy candy

Shit

[burnt sail]

@tacit tulip Ok... first run of Vman was a success for cooking, like you said.

[steel linden]

Use those spices!

[burnt sail]

I'm doin it I'm doin it! Lol

[steel linden]

You get bonus cooking speed for every 10 upgrades

Haha nice

[burnt sail]

I have been away for around 6 months, a lot to catch up on

[steel linden]

Nice that's a lot

Im hoping for w6 or other stuff soon

[signal osprey]

I hate it because it says I'm further from maxing the gemshop than I thought I was

[paper sail]

Ha, I had the same reaction.. 5k-ish to max the things I care about, but 48k for everything is obnoxious

[signal osprey]

Yeah I'll have to give it a closer look to see what I actually need

Says I need 53k total but then I see almost 10k in cog storage alone and thats a hard pass

[paper sail]

Try the "Practical Max" option

That was my personal choices on shit that could be largely ignored, like kitchens 4-10, cog slots, yada

[signal osprey]

16k

[paper sail]

Heh, still better lol

I'm happy to hear any feedback on things I over/undervalued for the tiers

I loosely went off of Tony's list but it was from January, many patches ago

[sick sentinel]

You makin a new gem list?

[paper sail]

It's not in pretty infographic form yet, but yes 👍 PriorityTiers tab. I wanted to get some feedback on it first, then maybe I'll make a sharable image

Although mine has 0 regard for any consumables / weekly reset stuff like lab chips

[sick sentinel]

Sweet i'll check it our when i make it back home 🫡

[paper sail]

Sweet, thank you!

[signal osprey]

After closer examination I am happy to find that even with practical max I can still ignore some of that 16k

And that is very welcome news as this fomo shop is robbing me of all my gems

[paper sail]

That's what prompted me to make it 😂 Wanted to see how much these Trophies were robbing me of otherwise

[signal osprey]

I only had enough gems for the obols when this patch dropped

I've been doing as much gem farming as I have actual farming it feels like lol

Maybe I can go win an arcade jackpot

[paper sail]

I still haven't hit one in 1.5 years No stamps, no red boaty. Arcade hates me

[balmy kiln]

How does king doot work for the lab and divinity gods?

[paper sail]

credit to Trickz

[sharp igloo]

How are people getting this to 210? I have like 92 mason jar, lv 100 catching, and max bags, but I can't even carry half that amount

[midnight pebble]

work on stamps for carry cap first

todays boss kills smodge, nothing but obols

[sharp igloo]

Wait isnt there a prayer that raises carry cap?

[midnight pebble]

prayer,star signs and stamps - vman best for carry cap talent also

[surreal oxide]

is there a place to use candy for quick strongman statues?

trying to get 200k so i can start the statue quests on all chars

[sharp igloo]

Active DK at beans

[surreal oxide]

ah theres no candy shortcut huh

[sharp igloo]

Use choco chip and double poop and genie cards

I dont think candying would be worth it. I left my DK at beans for 10 hours last night and got like 40k power statues

[surreal oxide]

dang

[midnight pebble]

yea dk/ES active, i only used candies for statues at acorns or w3 statues

[surreal oxide]

whats the reasons for candies at acorns and w3?

[sharp igloo]

The mobs drop statues rather than the crystals

[surreal oxide]

ohh

[midnight pebble]

accuracy and w3 skilling statues are a bit more of a pain to active farm

[valid wraith]

Hi I read this in the wiki. Is there a way to reduce minimum travel time?

[surreal oxide]

even with strong ES?

[midnight pebble]

so i went lazy route, was also pushing 1b kills on dn so w3 wasnt that bad

[surreal oxide]

i c

[paper sail]

There is a Shiny pet buff in w4 breeding, plus Siege Breaker's family bonus

[paper sail]

Yes. With about 2T damage and ~19DR, each w3 statue took me about 30 ACTIVE hours.

[valid wraith]

Thanks

[sharp igloo]

Which tower defence gives you the prayer that boosts carry cap?

[surreal oxide]

gfod dammm lol

[sick sentinel]

Nutto

[paper sail]

https://idleon.wiki/wiki/Worship#Prayers

[sharp igloo]

Thanks

[sharp igloo]

Lol I was just being lazy and figured someone would know off the top of their head 😅

[midnight pebble]

i feel that

[sharp igloo]

Do you think I could beat td3 wave 111 with 27 void, 43 poison, 54 kraken, and everything else around 57-59?

[north plinth]

hey guys there is a way to unlock the last 2 food slots for 8 active foods ?

[warped scroll]

what ways to increse MS on dk other then chips and statues very hard to get even to 160 with potions

is there a MS buble

on alchemy

[paper sail]

Feasty statue and potions are the vast majority of it. There are a few other account-wise bonses, but they all cap at low amounts like 175% / 200%

[warped scroll]

like what bonuses

[paper sail]

My single potion is giving 263% ms, for instance. Over 1k% food effect on Feasty statue

[warped scroll]

ohh didnt realise that food effect affects potions too

[sharp igloo]

Active farm beans with dk, youll get a tonnn of MS statues. Assuming you are using poop/genie cards and chocochip

[balmy kiln]

Is there a tier list for rank 5 cards first?

[midnight pebble]

id say the crystal/DR cards but there may be a few others higher prio

i think i did sailing/cooking and all stat from boss cards to ruby first with some of the better DR cards

[sick sentinel]

i dont really have much else to say other than that i like it👍

maybe having a graphic for the priorities would be nice but its still readable

[paper sail]

Got it. Were there any of my made up ranks that jumped out as inaccurate? I always disagreed with Tony's list so took the opportunity to make some assertions

[wooden sentinel]

For the w5 boss acivment, for the last part where you defeat kattlekruk on all 10 characters, is vman possible or just insanely difficult

[barren veldt]

How do u get kapchow statue

[paper sail]

Vman is rough, for sure. 40b sheet damage and 220+ talents is about a 20 minute fight, all manual.

[wooden sentinel]

OK, but what about a shaman, barb, and hunter? Is it better to give up on any future classes or just go for some good ones rn

[midnight pebble]

barb was suprisingly tough when i did mine

[paper sail]

I imagine Shaman is easy because Aura is most of the damage. Barb and Hunter would be tough becuase they lack Aoe even when elite, so add in damage to compensate

[sick sentinel]

i dont know if im overestimating them from a newer players perspective, but i would put 2 or 4 zen cogs up in A tier. they are expensive tho so if that is part of the reason i get it

[midnight pebble]

yea barb/hunter/vman were the ones you gotta manual to make sure you are killing adds to avoid healing boss

SB kinda also but not as much

[wooden sentinel]

Ok thanks

[midnight pebble]

also dont forget to review prayers before doing the chieve

[sharp igloo]

Well thats annoying as hell lol. I was going for td3 wave 111 for the prayer, and my phone crashed at wave 108 lol

[zinc torrent]

What's best atom investment for someone who just unlocked the atoms thing?

I have 350 atoms

[paper sail]

Fair point. The cost was why I bumped them down to B tier, because it makes sense to buy 4 at a time. The first 4 cost 2750 gems which would make them the 2nd most expensive thing, just after Lava Sprouts for gaming. Not sure I agree with how high they are either.

[sinful aurora]

the 2nd atom will help your future sampling

[zinc torrent]

Yeah i was thinking that one is overpowered

[sick sentinel]

yeah it makes sense then

[zinc torrent]

Do 25m resources = 1 atom?

[fast grail]

10m=1 atom

[zinc torrent]

Yeah it literally says it on the left

😤

[sinful aurora]

also lithium and oxygen give a huge bonus that doesn't scale right at lv 1. unlock these whe you can.

[sharp igloo]

Make sure you set it to only turn stacks of 1050m or more into atoms, otherwise youll lose all your stacks that are over 10m

[zinc torrent]

I bought up to boron, is oxygen far away?

[fast grail]

Good rule of thumb is to never actually turn on the atom collider

[zinc torrent]

I have lithium

[sinful aurora]

it's the 8th

[sharp igloo]

Why lol?

[zinc torrent]

I'm on 5th

[fast grail]

Just to never accidentally delete things you dont want

[sharp igloo]

How do you get atoms if the collider is always off?

I just leave it always on with a threshold of 1050m

[sinful aurora]

above 1050m is automatically converted, even if off

[sharp igloo]

Ah

[spark steppe]

just got to w5, should i put all 10 of character on Divinity?

[cerulean hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

[sharp igloo]

You could have 1 guy pushing maps, but if you just got to w5, your kph will probably be too low to be worth it over just having all 10 on div

[spark steppe]

ok, thank you, 2,113 kph

[sinful aurora]

unlock up to nobisect right away. you won't regret it.

[sharp igloo]

Yeah probably just wait then and boost your sailing/div/rift/alchemy and all that until you can multikill

[spark steppe]

alright

[sharp igloo]

Also when you do push, raise that tab 4 kill per kill talent, it helps a lot. Along with the big green kill per kill alchemy bubble and nobisect once you unlock him.

[spark steppe]

should I keep the bottled wind and gaming fertilizers for later?

[prisma moss]

im running out of things to put points into. my max book lvl is 151 is that low and are there easier ways to get it up in w5?

I have rift slug but that doesnt change the amount of points i can put in

[steep zealot]

You have the Salt Lick if you haven't upgraded that

[wooden elk]

The fury mask artifact in sailing will boost your max levels by a lot.

[prisma moss]

what # island is that on?

[wooden elk]

Mushroom island, each iteration of the mask gives +25 levels.

[clear quartz]

very worth

[prisma moss]

after my power is max on blue i can max it but not too much higher

[clear quartz]

also, aside from cranium and larry, should i be semi hard focusing dumping water into cap and rate of my cauldrons? cant imagine soon ill be able to leave bubo overnight since it looks like 2-3 procs of cranium fills me up now

maybe cap and rate and leave off the aqueduct node? idk

[sinful aurora]

in my opinion you could use the fertilizers right away if you wanted, the start of this skill is boring, if you can skip a bit.
keep the wind for later though.

[clear quartz]

errr i guess node off does the opposite of what i want, so i have no idea then

[rapid python]

whats the recommendation for starting w5? something about everyone on divinity until ___?

[wooden elk]

Have you maxed out the mousey salt lick upgrade for liquid capacity? There are also a few meals that boost it, though I am not sure how much it will help.

[clear quartz]

oh right salt lick

yeah was eyeballing the stamps but lick probably a bit easier and more impactful maybe

[midnight pebble]

at least until u get the divinity while not in divinity

[rapid python]

thanks. how many do i keep out, any?

[midnight pebble]

depends on lab and divinities unlocked

[wooden elk]

You can unlock the first two divinities, snake and bear, then do what you can with a pusher while the others get to TranQi, that is the style that gets you exp but no points toward div.

[midnight pebble]

yea that^

[mortal fox]

Hey, I was wondering which gods I should be using on my chars, currently I'm running 9 arctus and 1 snake god.

[clear quartz]

kinda depends, if you can get everything you care about in lab lit up with fewer, you can do that. or if you wanna park dudes in lab and have elephant avail, that one is handy to have, unless you want to use goat. and if you are planning on doing sampling that also changes things

[mortal fox]

ty

[wooden elk]

If you are pushing with someone, have Nobisect on them, pick one person to have tiger, if you are focusing one thing over another (lab, skilling, etc) link whatever deity boosts the most.

[mortal fox]

ty

[signal lava]

stupid recipe finally dropped

[mighty harbor]

how long did you wait? I still cant get it.

[signal lava]

think i'm at close to a billion kills

[mighty harbor]

and I have my character waiting for about 1-2 days

[spark steppe]

which one should I upgrade 1st?

[fallow aurora]

anybody know if this works?

[livid raft]

Whats the best bubbles to upgrade for printing more wood? I am trying to get more atoms finally lol got larry to 101% 😄

[wooden elk]

It works but it really isn't worth it imo, better off putting elephant deity on and hope for breeding proc.

[signal osprey]

Bubbles 1 2 3 and 7 in purple cauldron

[tall horizon]

Only works active, not worth it

[pearl cedar]

One more day till max cooking gains

[livid raft]

Ty

[fallow aurora]

i'm trying to get the 12 gold egg achievement, and its taking too long so i'm trying active bm

[pearl cedar]

How many egg slots do you have?

[wooden elk]

Still better off with elephant in that case, after a certain point full gold eggs will be ezpz snoozetown

[tall horizon]

tell me how much of an eff increase that is when you get it please. I need to chow it but... i forget every day lol. Maybe knowing how much it is will help.

[fallow aurora]

12

[pearl cedar]

It is significantly easier with 14-15

[fallow aurora]

I thought it was harder, since u have more eggs to upgrade

[pearl cedar]

Nah you have more chances for a egg to change with more eggs

[pearl cedar]

I'll take a SS in a minute about to max out the cooking eff stamp

[tall horizon]

Thanks

[knotty urchin]

does anyone know doot odds w tier 4 treat?

[tall horizon]

It lists them in the page

[knotty urchin]

ahh so it updates w the treats?

[spark steppe]

do you still progress towards 1/h divinity if you check your character before 1 hour?

[sick sentinel]

At first, dont think so

[spark steppe]

also, what if you step out of it?

[sick sentinel]

What do you mean step out of it

[fallow aurora]

if u step off the altar u stop gaining divinity/divinity xp

[tall horizon]

Rounds down, so if you dont hit the min 1 exp you get 0.

[spark steppe]

ok, thank you

[celest yarrow]

any cards useful in divinity? biggie / c.Efaunt / c.Troll... anything else?

[fallow aurora]

pretty sure biggie hours helps with div xp, not sure about divinity itself tho

[clear quartz]

i need to work on my troll cards more, should hopefully be done with statues tonight and i guess i can go farm some w4 colo keys

[untold lintel]

finally finished pet arena 200, only took like 4 hours of my day

[fallow aurora]

it took me 9 hours for round 200

[untold lintel]

wild

[cerulean hemlock]

Plus more smoosh when active. 0% use.

[tall horizon]

double xp proc works on div, yes

[cerulean hemlock]

Div best for xp proc

[celest yarrow]

skill afk gains work on divinity? amrok/bunny?

[fast grail]

Only thing outside of div/artifacts that affects div, is double exp

[pearl cedar]

Oh @tall horizon will ping you tomorrow, but guessing it wont go up a tier so probably the same

[celest yarrow]

so exp gains dont work on it?

[fast grail]

Correct, unless it is specified as div exp

[tall horizon]

hmm you're 7m eff up on me... what am I forgetting

[fast grail]

What level stamp is that buddha?

[pearl cedar]

Skill eff hat, rex rings, clogs, think the main thing

[pearl cedar]

290

[fast grail]

I really need to actually work on stamps at some point, not even at 10k yet

[pearl cedar]

[fast grail]

look at all that green

[tall horizon]

Im using 1 dawn ring atm because I dont lose a tier, still puts me 3m down.

[pearl cedar]

Oh probably shimmer island

[tall horizon]

oh shit.. ya

stupid book

[fallow aurora]

idle skilling trophy?

[tall horizon]

getting more and more tempted to just ignore it and go for eff anyways

[potent gust]

I'll take it

[tall horizon]

na have that. It would also be a much larger difference

IS is beeeeg

[pearl cedar]

It is a smol bonus

Will be big when we hit that nan damage

[sour oasis]

Anything here that i should prioritize?

[tall horizon]

yes

[pearl cedar]

Fury

[sour oasis]

🫡

[fallow aurora]

and amberite I think, idk whats its called but it increases the amount of bubbles nblb levels

[sour oasis]

Yes additional bubbles per day

[gray pagoda]

What're the best things to use for vman on seasalt island?

With lines and lures, I mean

[vagrant mountain]

as much purple depth as you can and 100% efficiency

then as much speed as you can

best line/lure is literal elephant and platinum twine i think

[gray pagoda]

Seems to be. That's what's giving the most efficiency atm. Thank you!

[vagrant mountain]

dont need more than 100%

its all about purle depth because those fish give more exp

[tall horizon]

Dont forget ring

[gray pagoda]

My vman is currently behind on fishing, so it'll probably take me a while to get that 30M, but I'm sure I'll reach it eventually, especially with these new cards

Which ring?

[gray pagoda]

I don't think I have that one yet. What level did it take?

[vagrant mountain]

i think it was the last quest from Omar

[tall horizon]

90 I believe

[gray pagoda]

Oh... yeah, I'm a ways away from that 😅

[vagrant mountain]

you'll get there quick on seasalt island

[gray pagoda]

I can see that. I was level 36 a minute ago, a few candies later, level 48. Gonna upgrade my fishing rod and get back to it.

[signal osprey]

Pretty sure red depth ring is an exp boost too

[vagrant mountain]

never thought about that

[signal osprey]

I didnt either when I was candying fishing

[vagrant mountain]

it would be as long as it doesnt decrease purple rate

[clear quartz]

anyone working on greenstacking baits yet? :p

[vagrant mountain]

sorta

[clear quartz]

i suppose i should stop consuming mine to jsut get them out of inventory

[vagrant mountain]

lol

i should just filter them

but my filter is full atm

[signal osprey]

I have every one filtered

[vagrant mountain]

XD

i could probably unfilter some pots i guess

but i have them all greenstacked

[signal osprey]

I respect the trimmed leg filter

[vagrant mountain]

lol

i really want to filter gold legs and iron helms from colo 2

but cant

[signal osprey]

Yeah I would love to filter them too. Still have a lot more W2 colo to farm

[fast grail]

Need trimmed legs for more chance of perfect defender ring

[vagrant mountain]

ur an animal

[fast grail]

Dont underestimate perfect rings, with enough all stat%, one day this will be better than opal

[vagrant mountain]

[signal osprey]

I wonder how green stackable the flower drop from baba yaga is 🤔

[vagrant mountain]

probably very doable if you farm w1 colo

[signal osprey]

Well yeah its definitely doable but at what cost

I want to know the expected candy losses

[vagrant mountain]

a few potential thousand hours of candy

but the discord flex is priceless

[signal osprey]

Too bad slush doesnt have a unique boss drop that can be green stacked

I'm nearing the halfway point on my biggie stack

[fast grail]

Just like how one day, i will reach the 10m defense

FMJ will only need to be like 25,000

[signal osprey]

Wait maybe baba yaga is the play because I could green stack the baby eggs too for the double flex

[vagrant mountain]

[fast grail]

Dont think the eggs will be worth it

[signal osprey]

This will require science

[fast grail]

I forget fully how the dr breakpoint happen, but the flowies are a 1 in 1, but the eggs are 1 in 167, so you would have 167m flowies when eggs are green stacked

[vagrant mountain]

wouldnt it be 1670m fowies

[signal osprey]

That means flowies are like 3 times faster than biggie drops

[fast grail]

oh yeah

[vagrant mountain]

XDD

[signal osprey]

So that should actually be a really easy stack

[fast grail]

would be converting them to atoms

[paper sail]

Something about that isn't right. I think maybe the Eggs benefit from MK?

[signal osprey]

Eggs might be tricky though

[paper sail]

because I have almost the same amount of eggs vs flowies: 2735 vs 3307

[fast grail]

even though eggs are first, i dont think mk is applied to bosses

[paper sail]

Certainly not a x167 disparity

[fast grail]

hmmm, not sure then

[signal osprey]

I think it might be actually

[vagrant mountain]

idk it could be because of how baba yaga works in that map

[signal osprey]

I always get like a dozen or so job applications from Dr def

[paper sail]

I definitely get like 100+ eggs per Colo, when they DO drop

[vagrant mountain]

what if multikill does work on bosses but most of them just dont have any base mat drops

[paper sail]

not maticulously farming poops for a full orb duration before killing Dr. Def, shameful

[cursive forge]

got lucky with the 1%

unlocked rabbit

lets go

[vagrant mountain]

[paper sail]

These too, yeah? Maybe just minibosses get MK applied

[cursive forge]

how do I link to 2nd god with ES

it only show unlink

[paper sail]

It's a talent.

[cursive forge]

ah

alr

so Im linked to Arctic now I level it up 3?

to link rabbit

[paper sail]

Sure. 3, 13, 23, 33, etc. will all work to double link ES to Harriep

[signal osprey]

Almost half way

[cursive forge]

alr

thanks

[paper sail]

Yeah, there's no way MK isn't hitting that lol. I know DK Orb is cool and all but

[signal osprey]

Still have at least another 1k W2 colo to go though

[paper sail]

stinky

Gotta get those 16k gems somehow though

[cursive forge]

question

do I link both of my ES to rabbit

its minor link bonus only need one

or its for 6x print

[paper sail]

It is for the 6x print. Normally (at least) one of those ES is in lab running Harriep + Omni, though I guess you don't have Omni yet

[cursive forge]

I see

[old coyote]

is there a way to reduce attack cooldown times?

[cursive forge]

well Im still quite far

I really need goat and start leveling my lab levels

I got to w5 without touching lab

[paper sail]

I do believe the cash minor bonus from Harriep stacks, but I think the minor bonus from ES double link doesn't count..?

[cursive forge]

huh ok

[paper sail]

Like second linking ES to Goat doesn't give other characters AFK gains

[long thunder]

Whats beat to buy from gem shop in order in w 5

I just got here btw

[cursive forge]

buy 1 sprinkler

and follow the questline in town

it will give you some items and guide you thru

[signal osprey]

Yeah multikill is definitely working on eggs. I got 259 from a single drop

As opposed to 88 flowies

So both green stacks are gonna be put on hold for quite a while I think

[cursive forge]

interesting

maybe it doesnt count as linked

[paper sail]

The difference being that Flowies always drop, whereas Eggs only sometimes drop in the big quantities. 259 or 0, no inbetween I believe.

Relatively speaking anyway. Orb still exists and does funky things

[signal osprey]

It should be able to guarantee a drop in theory but not in practice

You'd simply need to just keep stacking it higher but you cant do that in colo

[paper sail]

Guarantee a 1 in 167? Naahhhh

[cursive forge]

btw do you know where I can see my 2x exp chance

[pearl cedar]

Would only need like a 300 orb right?

[vagrant mountain]

on IE in your player stats

[cursive forge]

thanks

[paper sail]

IdleonEfficiency > Players > Random stats, though I think I saw a bug report on their discord saying it is wrong (goes to 90% cap now instead of 75% and missing some particular source)

[paper sail]

To my knowledge, Orb doesn't actually give DR in any regard. Ergo, would never guarantee a big drop like that.

[glass quail]

can anyone dance with me in w4 town in pizza1?

[vagrant mountain]

damn my guild sucks

[cursive forge]

which bubble is it

[signal osprey]

We would need event items. At my current drop rate I can guarantee it at 1400 orb lol

[cursive forge]

probably late yellow

[paper sail]

Same reply as to Buddha 😛 To my knowledge, Orb doesn't actually give DR in any regard. Ergo, would never guarantee a big drop like that.

[cursive forge]

ok thanks

[vagrant mountain]

@pearl cedar I'm almost caught up to your IE from june

[signal osprey]

Orb makes it to where each kill counts as an extra kill

And what that means for loot is that it lowers the amount of DR required to hit a breakpoint

[cursive forge]

is unlocking new bubble 6.5% too low

[signal osprey]

Every item in the game has a break point for guaranteed drops

[cursive forge]

specifically bubble 19

[paper sail]

That's not my understanding of that mechanic :c

[vagrant mountain]

still high

[cursive forge]

well

[signal osprey]

Thats why DK is as good as he is at crystal farming

Every drop that comes from the crystals is multiple drops in one because it pushes your break point to the point where you loot 10 statues per statue for example

[lean cape]

how many golden grilled cheese nomwhiches should i have on each characterr

[signal osprey]

And every item in the game has those break points regardles of drop rate

[vagrant mountain]

1/10 of your total

[paper sail]

The way I understood it is simply that you rolled loot as if you killed that thing X number of times at your current DR, rather than a single time at Y increased DR. The first way doesn't guarantee drops. The second way would.

[pearl cedar]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[vagrant mountain]

god bless jrohrer

[signal osprey]

Yeah thats what I'm basing it off of. The spread sheet in that video says it can be guaranteed

Because every item can in theory

Aside from world boss drops I guess as orb doesnt apply to them

[vagrant mountain]

from what I understand about orb is that if you have 500 orb and 20x drop rate, you are getting 5 kills at 20x drop rate for each kill

[pearl cedar]

6 kills but yes

[vagrant mountain]

oh true

[paper sail]

That's how I understand it too (5 BONUS kills, 6 total)

Hilariously, based off that same exact video

[vagrant mountain]

i started playing the game watching jrohrer instead of griffybit

[signal osprey]

That is the way it works but if you were to just math out averages and what not based on X rolls at Y drop rate you would end up with a lot of partial numbers and the game doesnt calculate that

So instead it just rounds up

[pearl cedar]

Explains a lot about your progression

[vagrant mountain]

rounding is the solution to everything in this game

[hidden grove]

[signal osprey]

More or less the simple way to look at it is that if you have enough rolls x enough drop rate to practically guarantee an item then the game will give you the benefit of the doubt and just guarantee the item

Which is why even though multiple kills doesnt sound like it should ever guarantee something it does because of the way its coded

[pearl cedar]

Which is why guaranteed DR calculator works

[frail stag]

Wait why is the golden nomwich that important?

[vagrant mountain]

they are kind of good

[frail stag]

Ohhhh read that wrong my apologies

[signal osprey]

If you meant the normal gold nomwiches those are still important because of the gold food stamp

[vagrant mountain]

fair enough, there are two golden nomwiches

[signal osprey]

I am happy to announce that I am now 32 hours away from my free doot

[thin rose]

@vagrant mountain aren't you meant to be in #midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮

[vagrant mountain]

no I only go in there to flex on you

[paper sail]

I'll trust, but this doesn't make any sense to me lol. Even the spreadsheet linked on that video is never dropping the DR below 167 to guarantee 1 drop.

[frail stag]

Now im just trying to push through the w5 on Mr Bright side

[thin rose]

You can only flex on me when you have more picklejoes

[signal osprey]

Guaranteed drops are always 2 or higher

[vagrant mountain]

you can take your picklejoes and stick it up your bob

[signal osprey]

You cant actually guarantee just one of a drop

[paper sail]

..I can't guarantee 1, but I can hop over that and guarantee 2?

[pearl cedar]

He kinda goes over that in the comments

[paper sail]

Fair, I watched that video like a year ago lol

[signal osprey]

A better way to look at it is that you can never guarantee a drop until you have enough dr to guarantee 2 of said drop

[paper sail]

Christ, I'll have to rewatch in the morning. Too late now

[signal osprey]

With orb break points that is. If you have the normal dr for a drop then you can still get a normal drop 100% of the time

I'm probably explaining it pretty poorly too

[paper sail]

That wording worked way better with my brain. Thank you.

[signal osprey]

I just know that people much smarter than me said every drop can be guaranteed if I orb hard enough

[paper sail]

Good enough for me

I wish I had been around while jro was still here

[pearl cedar]

He was impressive

[fast grail]

Was always lurking, mention anything about money no matter the time and he'd show up

[paper sail]

We are cats, in need of a shepherd

[pearl cedar]

He had the right idea, went out on top

[old coyote]

is there a benefit to pushing as far as i can into w5, or should i just focus on other things?

[fading cape]

I once wrangled 6 cats, a dog, a brother, and a wife together for a christmas photo. It took 300 photos and 1 turned out. Worth it

[paper sail]

Brothers ruin everything smh

[pearl cedar]

If you cant mk probably not, but some easy levels if you just got to w5

[old coyote]

pusher is level 210, still worth? or just grind deathnote for mman

[paper sail]

Yeah without MK, the only thing pushing gives you is like.. some stamps

[old coyote]

coins is stamp and alch upgrades though

[pearl cedar]

Depends how hard you rushed w1-4

[paper sail]

Couple of vials you can't really upgrade

[empty current]

is getting god rank to level 1 worth it in divinity after unlocking the 10 gods or no?

it's taking forever to get 200mil div points

[paper sail]

oh lawd you still need coins to upgrade alch pw2? Yeah you super rushed lol. Alright, money to max that is fine. Hopefully you're doing so on an Active Bubo to also get cauldron/liquid progress too

[old coyote]

wait do some people get 150 125 100 on all 4 cauldrons pre world 5

[paper sail]

Certainly before reaching the final map in w5

[old coyote]

yeah im like a third of the way through w5

[paper sail]

Gotta only be what, a few void coins all together?

[boreal ginkgo]

stack money % cards and do w4 colo and early w5 mobs will give u tons of money should be able to max them in a day

ES is a good gold farmer before u get bubo up and running

active with portal mobs

[thorn oriole]

whats the best way to get the 100k statues on BM

[rough wasp]

By not doing it on BM

[true obsidian]

noiceeeee

[pearl cedar]

Mining dreadlo ore

[thorn oriole]

damn fr?

[thorn oriole]

sadly has to be done

[signal osprey]

Thats the fastest way on pretty much everything that isn't a DK

I guess bubo is probably okay active too if you put him in W1

[pearl cedar]

I mean realistically it is the fastest on everyone cause candy

[signal osprey]

True but you should be statue farming on DK all the time anyway

[pearl cedar]

That's true

[thorn oriole]

i see

[vagrant mountain]

i really wish lava would add something else to farm

[pearl cedar]

Endless rift

[signal osprey]

Do some plunder mobs

[vagrant mountain]

[grizzled elk]

faster leveling BM active or afk?

[dreamy agate]

hey does anyone have any characters starting with a p or an s for cattlekruks quest?

[pearl cedar]

Active, but gross. Better to just leave em on wurms if you want to level BM

[grizzled elk]

yeah thats what I was thinking too, him and BB are lagging behind

[pearl cedar]

Yeah the lack of respawn mechanic really hurts

[grizzled elk]

SB is even kind of rough, working on them now

really just shooting for 450 so they can use kruk trophy and work towards dropping a cape for the quest

[pearl cedar]

What is your gt?

[grizzled elk]

decent but smol compared to you probably lol 1 sec

5646

[pearl cedar]

Relatively easy to get it to 10-15k range now

[grizzled elk]

yeah I've been lazy with it

[pearl cedar]

I think mine was about 6k though when I took everyone to 450+

Only took like a day or so active at wurms for each

[grizzled elk]

I'll probably dump BB at 425 when he can use the kruk neck until lava gives him an active buff next class probably

[midnight raptor]

Are the molten knuckles recipe the thing ppl grind at sugma's for so long for?

[zealous niche]

One in 50,000,000 chance without being able to factor in multikill

[midnight raptor]

Cool, lucked out and my vman got it after 10 days

Thank God

[zealous niche]

I have eclipsed suggmas without the recipe

1b in deathnote, 2k royal ashes, no recipe

[midnight raptor]

Damn

[wooden elk]

I had a pretty awful DR when I was farming and still managed to get it, what are you working with?

[zealous niche]

I put all my chars there last week

The royal urns are a measure of when it should have dropped

[warm parcel]

Lots of negative karma from unnecessary misdeeds in a past life.

[zealous niche]

1k royal urns = 1 recipe by odds

[warm parcel]

Um… it’s a lot more likely to get lucky with urns and unlucky with recipe… that just benchmarks your kills. If you wanna guarantee the recipe, just leave a char there for a year while you wait for world 17 to come out😂

[wooden elk]

Alternatively, isn't there a calc you can feed info into that tells you exactly how long you need to AFK to get something to drop?

[signal osprey]

Getting lucky with one and unlucky with another isn't likely at all

That's just simply not how probabilities work

And yeah there's a guaranteed drop calc but for most players itll be a few months to guarantee the recipe

[zealous niche]

At this point might whack my BB on suggmas until guarantee after I’ve chowed everything

[signal osprey]

The gloves are definitely not worth losing months of ladles

[fast grail]

Active ES is ez recipe, up to you if worth active time though

[zealous niche]

Already done a week of active ES too

Me throwing all my chars on suggmas last week was a last ditch effort to get it while I was on holidays

[willow sorrel]

what level should the startue EXP bubble be levelled up to

mines at 500 rn

[untold lintel]

what should I pro in atoms? i produce 300 a day and just got them unlocked up to like the 6th one

[untold saffron]

Boron, hydrogen, fluoride and whatever the NBLB one is

[zealous niche]

Need some help with the guaranteed drop calc, what bonuses factor into the afk kills displayed?

Obviously multikill, what else alters that number?

[untold lintel]

any other ways to get more atoms? or tips for more atoms? or just get better prints?

[zealous niche]

Oak logs are your best source of atoms

[untold lintel]

i print like 3.5m 6x

[untold saffron]

Just better prints, so the printer size artifact and divine Knight bonus helps a lot

[zealous niche]

Anything that boosts chopping is a good initial investment

[untold saffron]

The prayer for efficiency and sample size too

[untold lintel]

i just resampled my wizards/miners for copper/oak, everything else seems useless, because i cant print millions of bugs, mob drops, etc yet, even my speedrun sample on mushroom isnt but like 250k

[lost ledge]

What active would be best to farm kruk keys with?

[untold lintel]

i assume the atom that gives +1 for power of 10 effienciency talents is really good for my prints at my point?

[untold saffron]

DK

[lost ledge]

Got a decent DK, ES and Bubo

thanks

[untold saffron]

It helps, but alchemy is your main source of sample size

[untold lintel]

what specific bubbles would u reccomend for my oak wood sampling/eff?

[magic oyster]

With the royal wurm quests to do 22 world 4 quests, I can only find 17 ? All the other ones seem to be one-off quests that are already done and don't count

[bright current]

fellas, rando is > crystal island right?

crystal kinda sucks

[vagrant mountain]

rando kinda sucks more

[bright current]

well those are my choices

[vagrant mountain]

i went with crystal

[bright current]

guess ill go cryatal, not that it matters anyway lol

[lucid olive]

What’s better cheazor, luster or diabolical armour

Diabolical is the highest I have access to and is chiazor good enough for early world 5?

[clear quartz]

so ive noticed cranium sometimes gets stuck never casting, guessing i should make that number 2 or maybe even remove the fart cloud? idk

[grizzled elk]

Why no aura?

[clear quartz]

i onetick everything with poison and instantly heal to full since everything is dyin, seems like a waste of tenteyecle procs yeah?

[grizzled elk]

Aura kills faster than gas

Gas has one tick to apply poison, then a second tick to apply damage

[clear quartz]

hmmm.

[grizzled elk]

Try it out with a big aura, it's a pretty noticeable difference

[sharp wind]

Chiz better then u go troll after

[clear quartz]

194k from this one sans aura, ill toss it back on and see how it handles. imagine its probably better on like oranges compared to wurms

[grizzled elk]

I think they typical bar order is cranium, raise dead, aura, and the Ghostbusters ghost

[lucid olive]

Cool thank you

[clear quartz]

oh fart ghost only, no canister?

[grizzled elk]

Ghost does significantly more dmg than canisters

[clear quartz]

right, jsut thinking of getting the coverage properly, i guess ghosts do fine enough

[grizzled elk]

But still has the two tick dmg issue