lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[solid epoch]

Rngesus

[vagrant mountain]

wonder if it really is random or there are different sets of rotations

[solid epoch]

Think I've gotten 2 40s and 1 ~34

[vagrant mountain]

damn

thats pretty lucky considering theres only been like 6 weeks

[solid epoch]

The 34 one was defence, at the time I didn't have enough. The two 40s were HP and acc

[vagrant mountain]

how much hp did you have

[solid epoch]

Like 21M or something

[vagrant mountain]

hm ok 10m probably enough

maybe

[solid epoch]

#endgame-gen-chat message

[molten scarab]

all my points went on talent book chance

[solid epoch]

23.7M

[vagrant mountain]

nice

[vagrant mountain]

did you get it

[molten scarab]

no

[solid epoch]

I didn't even need to book really, the gold food HP bonus from golden jam made it easy

[molten scarab]

what even is the talent, idk if i want spoiler though

[vagrant mountain]

gives you % stat

you get like 4.4%~ from it

forgot how it scaled

i think number of digits on dps dummy

[molten scarab]

so the other points probably better to get before book anyway haha

[vagrant mountain]

depends how lucky you get with the book

[solid epoch]

I'm not gonna attempt to get the star talent until my skill eff and damage % ones start costing like 25+ per upgrade

[wheat kiln]

cereal ?

[molten scarab]

star talents are just nice to have , what are the new bribes

fuck i really didnt wanna spoil this st0ff. ive been waiting for new bribes like 2 years

[solid epoch]

Look at wiki if u wanna know

But they ain't anything to write home about lol

[molten scarab]

if someone posts then it doesn't count and was accidently spoiler'd

[gaunt shale]

https://i.imgur.com/4265mmg.png scales like shit, wish I rather put it into skill eff than put it all into trying to get it

[solid epoch]

Nice dmg

[molten scarab]

thanks for the warnin

ima do same then

fuck the book

[solid epoch]

I go sleep now cya

[molten scarab]

the bribes are kind anice

[vagrant mountain]

are these clicks too ambitious?

needs a couple days to get the bi-hourly clicks going

thats 13 clicks every printer go brrr proc

[molten scarab]

as many atoms as possible

[vagrant mountain]

its not about the destination, it's about the journey

[opaque sun]

4-5% all stat is nice, but expected cost of 300 shimmer points and also using 200 star talents are bit too costly at current stage of game. Its more for few months later thing

[tacit tulip]

Shame there's no star talent bubble

[daring ravine]

it would fit fofr the yellow cauldron so much

[unreal magnet]

Good early armor?

I mean for w5

[daring ravine]

chizoar and troll

[opaque sun]

Unless boss armor, its fine being naked

[daring ravine]

but you arent making that much nullo for troll

[unreal magnet]

Too expensive imo

[daring ravine]

so just chizoar

[opaque sun]

Copper to void are just placeholder armors

[daring ravine]

copped to void is for chizoar

[unreal magnet]

Same expensive, cant even get void helm yet cuz of my ranks

[opaque sun]

If chiz is expensive, then naked is fine

[unreal magnet]

I prefer amarok

[opaque sun]

this is the current generation kids

[molten scarab]

don't expect it to be comfortable being naked

[opaque sun]

coming to w5 where they say chiz is expensive

[molten scarab]

supppose nullo did start a little rough

[raven vale]

Can i not store over 99 godshard in chest?

[opaque sun]

it can

Its just Ui limitation of highest two digits always appear as godshards

[raven vale]

i just deposited 59

[opaque sun]

So for example, if you have 50000 godshards, game visually shifts the UI to appear like 50 godshards

[raven vale]

can't find them

[opaque sun]

If you previously deposite like 1000 god shards, depositijg 59 will just be 1059 god shards, and the ui will ‘appear’ like 10 god shards and 59 dreadlo

[molten scarab]

embarassing question

how do you beat nightmare kattle on Vman

I have 50B damage

[tacit tulip]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[molten scarab]

Thanks!

[lean snow]

Weird question I know but does card drop chance affect the chance of event bags dropping cards

[opaque sun]

some do, but mostly doest

[vagrant mountain]

[raw tundra]

all characters need to be linked right?

what this be?

[vagrant mountain]

1 or 2

[molten scarab]

who u wanna level faster, give them most exp

[vagrant mountain]

i just pump as much exp into #1 because i'm always active on #2

[molten scarab]

then have him in spot with highest exp

by clickin on him and check each spot

[opaque sun]

What for blessing? No it doesnt need to be liked

[opaque sun]

Blessings are totally separate from the link system. Its an account wide permanent buff

[vagrant mountain]

no way i found another one in the same session

huge gains

[high hatch]

If I have like 80k statues of 1 type but not Onyx statues yet, should I deposit 60k already to have higher stats?

[opaque sun]

depends. Onyx also boosts the exp earned

So ideally you would want to onyx first then deposit the rest of 60k. We dont know how far you are from doing onyx

[tacit tulip]

Gains now Vs possible gains later but it's gonna largely depend on how far from onyx you are, as top says

If you're in a position where you could earn all 25 relatively soon, statues become worth 3.5 as much

[opaque sun]

Like if you can farm 80k, its likely you can finish onyx real quick

[molten scarab]

gains

[tropic echo]

Where should i farm statues for onyx?

[wind trellis]

I can farm 80k speed statues in a day but only 400 oceanman ones

will take 40 days to finish

[tacit tulip]

Tbh I stuck 9 chars on it and just let them go at it

[opaque sun]

oceanman just candy it

[old portal]

where do i candy that

[wind trellis]

I don't have 2 months worth of candy

[opaque sun]

Any w2 catching

[molten scarab]

Thank you!!

[raw tundra]

wait why can't i use candies for world 5? unfair. it is unlocked at some point at least?

[old portal]

with vman? for better dr right?

[wind trellis]

when w6 comes out probably

[tacit tulip]

Most likely when w6 comes out

W4 was candy locked until w5 came out

[raw tundra]

ah cmon because it is the last world?

:/

[tacit tulip]

It's as much to protect you from yourself than anything

[raw tundra]

no

[tacit tulip]

I can tell you now if you're new to w5 candying it is a mistake

[wind trellis]

^

[raw tundra]

i just want some money

and money wsa better there

[wind trellis]

get the +money artifact first

[raw tundra]

how does one even know which atfiact is where? and as yous aid i am new to world 5 i only got one place ot sail

[tacit tulip]

The wiki has it, but the money one is first island 🙂

[wind trellis]

if you mouse over the island it has their shadows and clicking them shows their boost

imagine dumping your candy and 2 hours later you get a 300% coin boost

or 400% maybe

[raw tundra]

what is all monsters per class level? like all 50-100 monster types defeated until now times level? doesn2t sound right

[tacit tulip]

All monsters just means all monsters drop more money

[old portal]

ohhh noooo my atom gains cant keep up with atom clicks

[wind trellis]

your char level x 2% = the money you boost you get from all monsters

[raw tundra]

oh ok ok ok

[opaque sun]

More money from all monsters.
Per class levels

You just inserted your in-brain comma at the wrong part

[vagrant mountain]

just atom bubble 2 or something cheap

[old portal]

yeah i just attomed bubble 2 and will resample now]

[vagrant mountain]

[old portal]

whats the best sampling equipments? are the skilling equipment still viable?

or is it magma now

[tacit tulip]

Magma baby

[vagrant mountain]

skilling stuff still better than magma

like hunter set up

[opaque sun]

For mining and chopping its magma

For catching and fishing, its the class specific skill gears

Maybe like in 2024 magma will become better over catching/fishing gears when we have so much stats

[vagrant mountain]

i feel like most of my stats come from alchemy so it doesnt actually get multiplied that much

[opaque sun]

near 1000 stats still kind of big

[vagrant mountain]

260m fishing eff without boot and 264m fishing eff with boots

still gonna be hard to beat straight eff%

but yeah, a lot of it too is the +70 str from the boot itself

my agi and wis only went up by 160~

[opaque sun]

you name reminded me to click snail, and fortunately reached the lv15 check point at last

[vagrant mountain]

nice

[opaque sun]

Now two more check points (with scaling difficulties) to reach

[vagrant mountain]

ez

[opaque sun]

I just need to go out and save like 600 more puppies to raise my karma score bonus

[vagrant mountain]

plot twist, there's a bug and your snail resets down to 1 so you quit the game... the real blessing was freedom

[opaque sun]

optimistic me will see that as “yea! Lava added new game+ mode for gaming”

[vagrant mountain]

[opaque sun]

But seriously i suspect last import box is actually new game+ (ascend) for gaming

[vagrant mountain]

oh boy

[iron nymph]

huh

I bought the skelefish stamp but didn't get it

[agile obsidian]

You also have to buy gem packs again when ascending

[raven vale]

did you pick it up? Assuming it drops on the ground. Then see pigman

[iron nymph]

yes

[tacit tulip]

It takes like 3 seconds to spawn from the fish haha

[opaque sun]

Is it registered on slab?

[iron nymph]

Yes

[opaque sun]

Then it sounds like you just misplaced it in storage or something

[iron nymph]

nope

its just vanished

very cool

[opaque sun]

any case my skelefish stamp was fine so not sure what you did

[vagrant mountain]

i heard its invisible in your inventory but you can still turn it in to pig

[tacit tulip]

So I'd they've dumped it in storage, it's invisible there too. Gl finding it

Suggest making a bunch of 1 slot items and depositing them all, and see if you get left with 1 space

[fallen torrent]

I am passing by to say hello to everyone from the chat :3 game will miss me a big 2eek vacation!!

[rose bridge]

Anyone know if this will beat wave 200 and if so how long itll take?

[opaque sun]

If it doesn’t die, maybe like 2 hours or so id say

[rose bridge]

Better than freezing on wave 130!

[opaque sun]

But there is always the rng of a unlucky shot that gets through the multiple shields

[rose bridge]

Yeah bound to happen at like wave 199

but ill be happy to get 175 done

[opaque sun]

Unless a very unlucky shot, its on its way to wave 200

[rose bridge]

I presume the idea of this team is once alchemic is unlocked it stops the freezing from happening, then this is the way to complete it?

[pine yacht]

no the idea is once u unlock alch you get 5x the lag

[rose bridge]

oh, i found before the alchemic that when looter used the boomerangs the game just died

[pine yacht]

yup

[rose bridge]

but when they get converted to the skulls it didnt break

[pine yacht]

it still adds to the lag overall

so it's easier to do before u unlock it ( or rather takes less time )

ofc depends a bit on your machine

[opaque sun]

its more of without alchemics, whales dont die on their own, which causes freezes when badam stacks go tooo high

[rose bridge]

i just hope this works, then i dont have to worry about arena

[rose bridge]

That makes sense

at 180

[opaque sun]

Your current badam stack is like around the right amount

[pine yacht]

u could always just manual the whale, and not go over 2-4k stacks

[rose bridge]

How do you manual just 1?

[opaque sun]

just turn off auto

[pine yacht]

u click the spell before u start

[opaque sun]

Let it die and turn it on again

[rose bridge]

interesting

didnt know that, will try if this fails

thanks!

[pine yacht]

the arena aint that hard... the spices are mostly rng but u can try multiple times

[rose bridge]

Is there any reason to do arena after youve beat wave 200?

[pine yacht]

not really

u could do it for the bragging rights but that's about it

[rose bridge]

yeah not about that life

[pine yacht]

wdym it would only take you like 20 h XD

[rose bridge]

hahah

[opaque sun]

back in my days before high performance form, it was 18-20hrs fight

[pine yacht]

yup

[opaque sun]

With paper weight placed on hotkey for converter

[rose bridge]

yeah i bet that was a pain

[pine yacht]

u'd turn off kitchens and take pets out of the yard just to get a bit less lag

[rose bridge]

super performance mode when?

no animations ^

Also, is the 1.4x damage straight up, 1000 dmg before would be 1400 after wave 200?

[pine yacht]

did anyone do the math on new statues, like what lvl do they actually become worth it

[pine yacht]

yup

[rose bridge]

So its big boost?

[pine yacht]

its an ok boost

the 2x cash is probabbly gonna give you more dmg indirectly than the dmg boost itself

[rose bridge]

Just from being able to stamp upgrade and kitchens?

[pine yacht]

stamps mainly

kitchens are only kinda worth it until the 3rd

[rose bridge]

Is there set maps for best cash? Im in world 5 miner moles

[opaque sun]

The last map

[pine yacht]

besides obviously crunchy socks

[opaque sun]

Last map has best possible mob layout in the game

[pine yacht]

the oj with aura bubo is good

if your bubo cant oneshot crystals with aura, then w4 colo with dk is good

[rose bridge]

Ive not yet got lv 200 on tenticle or aura so i dont think bubo is best for me rn?

[rose bridge]

Ive gotta kill like 5m miner moles and whatever the crawlers need to get there!

[opaque sun]

if you cant wait that, then fall back to oj

[pine yacht]

but ye, crystal farming with bubo with choco chip in mob dense maps is the way to go for cash

[rose bridge]

Does anyone know if theres a good bubo guide for this? Cause ones ive followed have canisters then i read on here that you dont even want canisters as they take actions up or something along the lines of

[bright vine]

Gmush for cash💰💰💰

[pine yacht]

canisters?

[tight saddle]

Okay then https://i.imgur.com/kZG7jXj.png

[opaque sun]

if you want a simple way, just do DK. He’s much simple and gets comparable amounts of money

[rose bridge]

the gas things, i think thats what they were refering too

[opaque sun]

Setting up bubo for max money requires lot of pre-req

[pine yacht]

first time I am hearing that being bad...

[rose bridge]

Yeah im not sure, i can try find the messages

[opaque sun]

the thing with canister is its usually obsolete due to fart monster giving enough coverage

And it adds a slight lag every time it throws a canister

[tight saddle]

I thought the fart blob didn't do any dmg if the enemy wasn't poisoned?

[opaque sun]

so all its doing is laying out poison on top of poison for slight lag

[pine yacht]

but doesnt it increase the cloud dur anyway?

[rose bridge]

#midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮 message

[opaque sun]

Fart monster also leaves behind poison based on canister level

[rose bridge]

there was a conversation here but i might have got the wrong idea from it all

[pine yacht]

or does the fart monster cloud have a set dur?

[opaque sun]

So you level canister, but dont use it in combat

[pine yacht]

ooooh

understandable

[rose bridge]

im learning so much ahaha

[opaque sun]

And fart monster does better coverage than canister as it can spawn anywhere and due to high tent cooldown

[pine yacht]

kinda similar to bricky skin for dk, u want the stats it gives but u never equip

[opaque sun]

So canisters are just bombarding empty land thats already been poisoned

Its more like shockwave slash of dk

[pine yacht]

yeye, I was under the impression it implied not to level canisters at all

[opaque sun]

Statue knights uses the same stats of shockwave slash. Also same goes for ES’s fireball/tornado/volcano

[rose bridge]

Is there somewhere that shows what each action bar should look like to actively fight then?

[tight saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[rose bridge]

thats interesting

[opaque sun]

If canisters/shockwave slash are lv0, it still procs those attacks but misses

[gaunt shale]

dont think so

[pine yacht]

also, what is considered end game by now's standards

I am quite sure I am in it since I have over 1M dmg

[gaunt shale]

[pine yacht]

[tight saddle]

1... million...?

Oh you sweet summer child

[pine yacht]

I said OVER

I didnt say how much over 1M XD

[tight saddle]

[fast grail]

For proper endgame, start damage would be having funny purple number

[steady token]

can I idle at w5 town to get nothing hours for fractal island?

I put all my shrines at w5 and I dont want moveit to w2

[pine yacht]

idk mine's still yellow

[rose bridge]

legend thank you!

[opaque sun]

Other classes doesnt really care hotbar order as much as its only a bubo’s issue with tenteyecle’s cooldown

[tight saddle]

Speaking of endgame, I just noticed this https://i.imgur.com/iDPd8l1.png

[pine yacht]

perfect, dont play another minute

[gaunt shale]

endgame is also bit hard to define tbh

[pine yacht]

oof, big sadge

[fast grail]

thats not even on a damage build, but a money build. and there are plenty of people who are leagues ahead of me

[pine yacht]

hopefully doing these onyx bs statues boosts my dmg a bit

[tight saddle]

Yeah I was just thinking that I basically feel the same after 6000h than when I started

[opaque sun]

endgame is when you stopped grinding for game progress, but over grinding a certain stat for a hobby/flex

[tight saddle]

Tons of short term goals, tons of long term ones... there seems to always be a lot to aim for

[pine yacht]

like having perfect gear with new stones ?

[fast grail]

Reminds me that i need to re-sample so i can print more fruitflies for fmj

[gaunt shale]

thats not endgame, need remember bubbles etc

stamps

[opaque sun]

Perfect gear for new stone is aiming to “better your progress” so no

[fast grail]

2m defense aint gonna happen by itself

[worthy gyro]

Grinding for more dmg when you dont need more dmg?

[opaque sun]

Im talking like getting your crit chance to 2000% even though you know it does nothing

[tight saddle]

Naah that's useless and boring, I'd say more like turbo-focusing on certain bubbles or stamps, or getting ridiculous death note counts on shrooms

Now that there's the DPS dummy, that's fun to optimize for

[opaque sun]

Like getting 6000 max stamp level for the postage stamp

[pine yacht]

oh fuck... I forgot about shrooms, havent played in a month ...

after the whole followers debacle

[granite grove]

just put all atoms into quick slap or uncapped linear big bubbles

[tight saddle]

Also thanks Lava and Obama for that matter... I hate it

[opaque sun]

Put into the multi-ore linear bubble is end game

[gaunt shale]

https://i.imgur.com/4265mmg.png

would be fun if the reward was actually worth it, skill scales like garbage, which instantly makes me not care again about it and instead go back to bubu bubble farming

[opaque sun]

Putting into quick slap is being a wuss of preparing for future worlds

[granite grove]

fair

[pine yacht]

I mean I still havent killed new boss on nightmare

[opaque sun]

5000 levels of quick slap is not even comparable for the chad who got 5000 wyoming blood bubble

[worthy gyro]

I dont feel like it has to be useless to count as endgame

[pine yacht]

mainly cuz I dont have the keys

[austere path]

Does anyone have tier gem shop?

[granite grove]

upgrading useless stuff means you are at the point that you are so comfortable to mess around

[austere path]

I wanna use my gems,but i don't know what to buy frist

[opaque sun]

Endgame is more of a mentality

[tight saddle]

Shouldn't one of the atoms help with that a bit

[pine yacht]

what's quick slap?

[opaque sun]

If you are preparing for future worlds, you are still late game

[granite grove]

at that stage you prob can one-tick nKruk with minimum bubo poison tick

[opaque sun]

Green base damage bubble that scales exponentially

[gaunt shale]

nope, since its not a resource, the atom only counts for those things with resources, not stuff like HP, dmg etc

[opaque sun]

You reach endgame when you feel its the end and there is no more need to grind to progress

[pine yacht]

oh, my movement speed kinda sucks tho, so rip

[tight saddle]

Ahh indeed, well that sucks :(

[opaque sun]

So you work to reach godhood in one of the chosen stat

[gaunt shale]

Grind time bubble is fun to focus on, since its always nice to level faster

[tight saddle]

I guess endgame in idleon is one of those things that if you have to ask whether or not you're in it, you're not in it

[worthy gyro]

I mean, aiming to snowball future worlds as much as possible wouldnt make it not endgame

[granite grove]

endgame mostly referred to "i max everything already i dont care anymore" in most case

[opaque sun]

when discord community recognize you by a certain stat instead of your name, you are endgame

[austere path]

Sir,do someone have tier for gem shop?

[opaque sun]

“Hey our resident accuracy guy is here!” Thats endgame

[pine yacht]

lul

[gaunt shale]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml

[worthy gyro]

Thats leaderboard, endgame as nothing to do with being at the top

[granite grove]

leaderboard and endgame are correlated in a way

[opaque sun]

Camp here reaching godhood in the def division

[worthy gyro]

Correlated but not the same

[tight saddle]

Then there is the guy who recognizes the people who are recognized by certain stat, but this guy recognizes them because of how rookie numbers they are

[fast grail]

Think i reached the 1m defense like 1.5 months ago now

[opaque sun]

you can be weak but still be endgame depending on your mentaility

[tight saddle]

So endgame is a state of mind?

[opaque sun]

Like a full BM only account can be considered endgame

[tight saddle]

Like being the CEO of your own life

[granite grove]

i suppose its best if maxed/99.9%ed all game content and dont care about stat nor progression

to the point where everything is trivial as of current update

[vagrant mountain]

endgame is juicing your stats cuz nothing better to do

[opaque sun]

community recognizes you as the “BM only man” and you know the ins and outs of what it means being BM only, thats endgame

[gaunt shale]

honestly, isnt that pretty accurate way to describe it ?

when you just feel like you have pushed the current contet as far as you care, you are just pushing some stat a bit higher and wait for new content

[tight saddle]

Tbh I think that completing rift 51 is a pretty good start before thinking about being in the endgame

[zealous niche]

Endgame is where you’ve run out of goals in the game and have to start inventing your own

[tight saddle]

I thought I was hot shit, but nah, stuck here at 47

[opaque sun]

good luck telling full BM guy to “clear rift 51”

[granite grove]

tho imo endgame cant just be "i feel comfortable rn" as it also needs maxing everything or 99.9% hardcapped stuff, otherwise w2 players would be endgame

well, some small subset of w2

[mystic stump]

quick Q: after vman unlock and speedrun , what should i have my vman doing, skilling whatever?

[pine yacht]

stuck at 41...

[granite grove]

push skilling mostly

[pine yacht]

and I aint entering this char until I get to 5M afk kills one

[granite grove]

and also CCD every once in a while, map pushing nor fight afk is useless now because of portal/DN reset

[mystic stump]

CCD?

[granite grove]

crystal countdown

[opaque sun]

Im still late game cuz i havent decided what stat to play with, so im just grinding for general progress/strength in case i finally decide my dream stat to devote to

[mystic stump]

ah, ok thanks

[vagrant mountain]

i decided im going to click as many bubbles as i can before i burn out

while farming beans

[gaunt shale]

any specific reason why beans ?

[granite grove]

statues

[vagrant mountain]

not only statues

hotdogs for peanuts

gold nomwiches for stamp

mana pots for mining food for stamp

[granite grove]

oh yeah, those are hard to get by in massive quantities

[vagrant mountain]

so bright

[gaunt shale]

bro has me convinced, im joining you in the bean annihilation

[vagrant mountain]

im sorry

viva la beans

[pine yacht]

so sad I have the food filtered cuz my bags suck ass

2k cap XD

[tacit tulip]

Food is the easiest of the big bags to make tbh

[opaque sun]

W1 statues are also most impactful than other worlds

[pine yacht]

yes if u have anvil 5 XD

[tight saddle]

Maybe we need like an adaptation of the Maury show where instead of him going "You are... NOT the father" he analyzes your idleon save and goes "You are... NOT in the endgame" and the crowd goes wild

[tacit tulip]

Tasty tasty food storage

[gaunt shale]

not to be mean, but did you really question if you are endgame or not when you dont have anvil 5 unlocked ?

[vagrant mountain]

imo endgame starts when you beat nightmare kruk on 10 chars

[pine yacht]

I didnt question if I am the endgame ( I know I am not ), I asked what standards make you endgame nowdays

[gaunt shale]

ahh

[pine yacht]

since I havent played for about a month I wanted to know if standards changed

[tacit tulip]

3k food bag space at least to be endgame

[tight saddle]

I just did mine a week ago... it was horrible as I have two vmans

[pine yacht]

nah imma do it with 2k

[tight saddle]

[opaque sun]

unless you doing a no bag run master

[pine yacht]

salts are my kryptonite

[vagrant mountain]

you been here since 2021?

[pine yacht]

that and trapping

[tight saddle]

Do you mean that in a sense that it's a lot or not?

When I joined here, there were already a ton of people on the server iirc

Only 3 worlds though

[hexed pine]

yo if i delete a captain do i get back my gold

[pine yacht]

oh I joined at around w4 release

even tho I played before w3 iirc

[tight saddle]

I think I am in maybe roughly top 10% or something... been playing for a long time, but I've seen a ton of people with who are WAAAAAY ahead

[tight saddle]

Like wtf is this lol

I'm not even playing the same game

[opaque sun]

Its okay stat talent like after 3-4 updates

But as of now 300 shimmer pts expected cost and 200 star talents are bit too expensive

[tight saddle]

I meant the damage

It's not even a competition

[opaque sun]

You will get there soon than you might think

[vagrant mountain]

just dont forget to click your bubbles

[tacit tulip]

Wow just checked as someone mentioned it the other day

Deposit all really doesn't account for void...

[opaque sun]

Void? Onyx?

[tacit tulip]

Sorry, yes

Insert some other description of black 😄

Charcoal statues.

[magic fjord]

There's no clever way to get Chemical in Gardening right? Seems ridiculous that it's months down the line and I still don't have it.

I basically keep getting to 1% and trying. Must have been hundreds of times at this point.

[tacit tulip]

ther'es a clever way but it's still whims to rng

[tight saddle]

Roll it as early % as possible

[tacit tulip]

Saving DNA is bad.

[tight saddle]

The % doesn't scale well with dna cost

[tacit tulip]

Doubling your DNA doesn't double the % odds of unlocking. So rolling regularly at low odds produces far better odds than rolling once at higher odds

[magic fjord]

Aye, I'm aware of that but 1% never seems to take very long. Could just as easily do half a percent but it still doesn't seem likely it's ever coming.

[tacit tulip]

I did mine at 0.1% haha

a good couple hundred attempts a day

[teal lynx]

I rolled on 0.1% for 1/2 months

[magic fjord]

Crazy there's no pity mechanism for those of us waiting months.

[tight saddle]

Took me maybe 4 weeks of just rolling and rolling

[opaque sun]

100 tries of 0.1% is better than 5 tries of 0.3%

[haughty sedge]

how do people lvl alchemy up, as i need it for my vman?

[teal lynx]

And Iirc you get 0.1% chance after 3-5 Plants harvested. So one screen will give 3+ rolls
Then Sprinkler + Log + Omni procs

[teal lynx]

Bubo Cranium Cooking

[tacit tulip]

Snail reset from 12, 3 times in a row now

[haughty sedge]

that gives exp on other characters?

[round drift]

What class is best for them super rare drops?

[teal lynx]

It progresses Alchemy

So yes it gives exp to everyone

[round drift]

Is it still ES?

[haughty sedge]

ok ty

can i use balloons for alchemy?

[teal lynx]

Make sure to get that Bubble to a decent level. And hopefully you got lvl 200 Tent for insane gains

[haughty sedge]

yeah i got tent

how much to go on the bubble though?

[teal lynx]

And put Vman into a Cauldron with your Bubo. He got a Talent in Tab 3 that increases XP for People in a Cauldron with him

[haughty sedge]

already did that an i have 15x exp on my vman

[teal lynx]

As much as you like and can. I started with 70%

[haughty sedge]

ok, thanks

[willow cairn]

Do you guys leave your characters in the main cauldrons or on water cauldrons? I unlocked all the bubbles so I figured I'd move them all to water. But I guess theres still boosts to get, so idk

[fast verge]

all resp unlock

[tacit tulip]

I continued to to colour until max boost, then did some water for upgrades, and am now doing sigils

[opaque sun]

Once color cauldrons are 170, they all go to sigils

[willow cairn]

Congrats! Working on that right now myself, its been a long grind lol

[willow cairn]

What do you mean by 170? Lvl 170 on every boost upgrade?

[opaque sun]

Yes 170 on those boosts. The max

[willow cairn]

Ahh okay, didnt know that was the max

Guess I'll put my chars back on those for now then. Most of them are at like 130-140

[opaque sun]

Its a weird number to set a max, but that is because lava had to fix some “unlimited cauldron upgrade” exploit, and the reasonable amount people had was 170ish at the time

People on mobile was able to upgrade the cost boost unlimited time (2.b overflow), to essentially make it like near free bubbles

[willow cairn]

Huh, weird but fair enough

[tacit tulip]

happens a lot with mobile

a lot of game mechanics we have purely exist due to int overflow on mobile - atom collider is another one

[rose bridge]

Only 10 mins out

[tacit tulip]

it's still broken in some places too. 2.1b Acc on on mobile can overflow to 0, meaning you can't hit mobs (or maybe just can't multikill, it's weird) 😄

[opaque sun]

So my guesstimate was kind of right

[tacit tulip]

unlock odds in w4 pets can show up negative due to overflow too, but they behave correctly

[rose bridge]

it was a very good guesstimate :D

do i just stop auto and die now?

[tacit tulip]

check ie first

dying should be fine

[opaque sun]

You can just exit it if its registered

[rose bridge]

😓

[tacit tulip]

ok dying is fine, but don't manually exit

if you leave it won't catch up 😄

but dying shoulda t least set your proper max wave

[opaque sun]

Turn off auto and dying is the sure way

[rose bridge]

we good

[opaque sun]

Those combat teams can be stuck in storage to collect dust now

[rose bridge]

is it time to just spam for these now?

[tidal sky]

anyone know why it says this? i have pets at lvl 6

[sick sentinel]

It has its lvl threshhold adjuster in the settings on the dashboard and is auto at lvl 5

You can change it or turn it off

It serves as a reminder to swap pets if you wanted to only do that lvl

[tidal sky]

ooh ok interesting, is lvl 5 optimal since it is the standard one? maybe lvl all pets to 5 then just later to 6?

[sick sentinel]

Thats what i did, lvl 5 or 6 to most pets then swapped to ones i wanted lvled mpre

[solid haven]

so, finally got chem plant. Is there anything in Gaming to work towards beside upgrades now?
Everything feels so far away (I'm ~ green 1B, but next things are 100 green B+)

[tidal sky]

yeah seems to be the best strat i was going for 6 on all

[tacit tulip]

Until you get snail most gaming gains are

Achievements
Artifacts
Nugg

[tidal sky]

talent

[solid haven]

my nugget is at 27k, i highly doubt it will get much higher any time soon...so I guess eldrich artifacts only

but, is snail a must have?

[spring raptor]

its pretty impactful yeah

[tidal sky]

snail will make you go crazy, but everything in due time, if you just unlocked chem i would say you’re good for now

even with that nugg i did not had that luck

[cursive forge]

which class is good for doing rift 1

maybe I just dont have enough damage

I tried with DK and Bubo

[solid haven]

chem is mostly like...2x gains or so, right? (i collect twice a day only)

[gilded vault]

If rift 1 is hard you're doing it way too soon

[cursive forge]

my max is ~3.5m on most characters

[sick sentinel]

Chem can be a lot more gains

Dependa on if u get lucky (or unlucky) with chaining chems/logs

[tidal sky]

my logs are the absolute worst, i lose in like 3 cards always

and no reset

also the card shuffle is just visual right? cause i'm sure some cards werent skull but end up being skull

[solid haven]

some say that...thought it's hard to prove.
I personally try to click ones that never had a skull and "so far" almost always go to 3rd or 4th (~95%)

[sick sentinel]

I like spamming 1 corner the whole time. Usually get a 12hr-1day

[solid haven]

still...going over a 12h for me is useless at this point, cause at 12h everything is maxed xD (don't have the additional mutation levels unlocked)

[opaque sun]

i just place log at bottom left so i dont have to move mouse when clicking log and the bottom left card

[sick sentinel]

More nug rolls and acorns at least

[solid haven]

like what...1 more?

[tidal sky]

did the corner spam at least got 8 hrs better than usual 🥲

[gilded vault]

I don't really remember how I was when I started rift, but I think it was about 10m, and some were hard until ~8 then hard block.
3.5 probably won't get you to the first bonus.
Increase your alchemy and stamps, fix your stuff, you'll be in the 20m in no time, that'll get you to the third or fourth bonus I think

[gilded vault]

I do that too, often get to 8 or 12 hours.

[solid haven]

a question, those who already have most of the gaming unlocks (snail and superbits). How much do you get per collect?

[gilded vault]

What do you mean prr collect ?

[solid haven]

well, per full collect (8h offline for example).
Are the gains in green B or already in red K/M/B

[cursive forge]

well Im not missing out on those things

as to my own standards

probably just need more time

[solid haven]

though, most rift bonuses are endgame stuff (except mastery)

so even if you unlock them, you won't be able to get much gain from them

[gilded vault]

Varies widely. I don't have some of the superbit multiplier for bits and just got snail and lvl 1 unmutated plant is like 0.56B green bits I think

[vocal ibex]

Question about bossing. So I'm not doing vman runs on skull boss nightmare anymore just once for a while. What's the next best class for drops do I do him on?

Vman damage too low to run constantly. Just did once for achievement

[teal lynx]

Whoever has the Mole Quest done. Not sure how far you are, but ES should be able to consistently kill it

[vocal ibex]

Okay so es is better than bubonic for drop chances on the tooth pendent and the wings?

[teal lynx]

Look at your Drop Rate. It has not much to do with Classes
You will want to do it on all classes at some point
So I would prefer someone like ES who can kill him fast

Obv if you one hit with BB and you really like to play BB you could also use him

[steady beacon]

where's the best place to farm the dice obols? Is it tysons on a DK?

[heavy moth]

is it good leveling

[vocal ibex]

I have gotten many many drop of dice obols from the sand monsters in world 2

Max prowess is 2.0

Anything past 2.0 just a waste as of now @heavy moth

@steady beacon

[heavy moth]

ohh aight ill keep spaming cooking

[vocal ibex]

I made that mistake too 😆 why I know

[heavy moth]

XD well ill put at 540 for 90% for when it will be usefull

[old portal]

is divine boots better for coin farming on bubo? or just still magma set

[vale wadi]

i really still dont get how to get skulls strategy in the rift:P

[sick sentinel]

If the dr takes you over an add number for yhe coin multi then yeah, otherwise no. I have both made for my bubo in those cases

[livid sundial]

Does everyone open chests from sailing as soon as you get them? Or is it better to wait and let them upgrade? I've been without an artifact for 30+ days, maybe just bad luck

[old portal]

quantity over quality

[sick sentinel]

Open more chests more often for artis

[livid sundial]

Ok that's what I do, I'll keep at it

[viral snow]

Deactivate yozr SB talent that upgrades chests and check more often if possible

[lament shale]

I reacted a little bit late, but this % affect CC duration after the box +30s or before ? (just by curiosity)

[wind trellis]

I had the same thing, I recorded the shuffle and played the video in slow motion trying to cheat the system only to find out it's just random

[livid sundial]

Ok that makes sense.

[wind trellis]

is there a way to turn off the talent other than a reset potion?

[livid sundial]

I don't think so, that would be a cool idea though

[sick sentinel]

If its specced on both talent presets then no

[vocal ibex]

I have the talent set to +1 on my second character same class I just switch it on or off depend if I am looking for more chests or xp

[viral snow]

Nope
Just use a reset potion

[wind trellis]

lame

[vocal ibex]

XD alright

[tight saddle]

Anyone here happend to play Starfield?

On PC

[viral snow]

Only 15h in but yes

[tight saddle]

No mods?

[viral snow]

Nope not yet

[tight saddle]

Oooh! Could you please do me a favour and check if there is a file called dxgi.dll in your Starfield folder?

[viral snow]

If you tell me where it should be located sure

[tight saddle]

The folder is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Starfield for me

[viral snow]

Got it through gamepass
Just went through all thefolders and cant find a dll named like that

[tight saddle]

It could very well be that it doesn't exist then, well this just got interesting

Thank you!

[viral snow]

Youre welcome

[red slate]

I'm sitting on a lot of stamp reduction, what's the best place to use them?
I was thinking in boosting crystal spawn rate since I need the statues even if it's not a priority it'll help.
Another option would be increasing the carry caps because that's always nice, but maybe I should go for % damage, I don't know

[chrome tiger]

Food bonuses are good

Carry cap

And the stat boosts at the bottom of the first section

[teal lynx]

Multitool Stamp is really good

[gaunt forge]

so im only getting an average of 1.7k - 2k world 3 statues for an 8 hour ish oversight session on my es. does this make the onyx worth farming rn or is it a waste of time?

[sacred verge]

6k for 24h, not great but not horrible

depends a bit on what else you got to do

[teal lynx]

I got around 3.5k over 8 Hours. 14.4 Dr

[gaunt forge]

i can just farm it overnight but it feels bad not being on my dk to progress contruction

[sacred verge]

also depends on what statues that is we are talking about. trap is the hardest one

[sacred verge]

wdym? snapshot

[teal lynx]

Dk gets increased Build Speed due to Alchemy Bubble 2 (+13 Technically)

[sacred verge]

yes i know that but you can snapshot

[teal lynx]

Dk still gets 2-3x Speed when Active for me

[sacred verge]

you can snapshot the speed

[teal lynx]

Yeah snapshot Obols, but you will still get more gains with an active DK

[tacit tulip]

I suspect you might need to explain how instead of just saying snapshot over and over haha

[sacred verge]

lol

[teal lynx]

Snapshot

[sacred verge]

i suspect that aswell

just was a bit funny

[paper sail]

Daln acting like Snapshotting Cons obols on an ES would give you the same buildrate as doing so on an active DK

[sacred verge]

nah thats not what im saying

[teal lynx]

Legit what you said haha

[sacred verge]

snapshot cons on dk is what im saying

[teal lynx]

Okay. Now you look 20 Messages above and look what we talked about

[fathom lagoon]

Just hit rift 26, trying to push to 31 to get those eldritch artis

[sacred verge]

maybe im stupid but i dont get it

you can snapshot construction on your DK

[teal lynx]

.

At this point

Look at this message

[rapid shale]

why my maestro get an extra talent

[sacred verge]

it would literally make 0 difference

[gaunt forge]

wait u can snapshot construction on dk? no way! thanks for telling me 15 times

[teal lynx]

All you said was snapshot, when we were talking about active ES for Statues

[sacred verge]

you can snapshot the build rate on DK

as long as you dont open construction again BR will stay the same untill you do so

[fathom lagoon]

This confirmed?

[paper sail]

OKay chill

[sacred verge]

thats what i tought

[paper sail]

Here is the confusion

[sacred verge]

thought

[paper sail]

Ready?

[sacred verge]

maybe im wrong

[fathom lagoon]

That’s sick if so

[sacred verge]

lol

[teal lynx]

Active Dk will get this boosted due to bubble 2

[sacred verge]

scoli will clear this up, lol

[teal lynx]

[paper sail]

1. It is possible to snapshot Cons obols that are sitting on an AFK warrior. That then boosts your active character by ~50% build rate.
2. Being active ON a warrior ALSO increases your build rate thanks to orange2 and orange13.
3. Therefore, doing BOTH (Snapshotting + Active warrior) is the highest peak build rate.

[sacred verge]

yes that was what i ment

3

[teal lynx]

But we were talking about active ES for Statues earlier. And you just said Snapshot

[tacit tulip]

but you were responding to someone who is using ES active. can't use DK active at the same time haha

[sacred verge]

my bad

[signal osprey]

You can snapshot while on ES too and you'll still get higher build rate so its still kinda worth doing its just that being on DK is significantly faster because of bubble 2

[gaunt forge]

no way

[sacred verge]

yes way

[paper sail]

For sure. That 50% ish bonus is still worthwhile to snapshot. I don't have Doot, so labrat DK takes 5 seconds to swap to and back to whatever I'm active on

[gaunt forge]

[signal osprey]

Also worth mentioning that while it is tedious you can snapshot family con obols too

[vale wadi]

is eldretitch a lot better than the gold variant?

in sailing

[tacit tulip]

About 50% better

Typically ancient doubles the bonus, and eldritch adds the same amount again

So you go 100% -> 200% -> 300%

[vale wadi]

i just have it unlocked at the rift:D

[tacit tulip]

Congrats, it's my favourite of the rift bonuses

[signal osprey]

Con mastery

[paper sail]

Now that I finished all my Eldritch, I'm kinda tempted to use SB11

[tacit tulip]

I've still not clicked bob so I'm pretending they doesn't exist

[paper sail]

Checking all these chests is tedious (and I lose out on Captain / Sailing exp because I can't check super often)

[vale wadi]

now trying to get 31 get a skull, but I really dont know how. just do sth:P

[placid mural]

Specifically the cog page is what resets it right?

[tall horizon]

Exp is done every time your ships touch the dock. You don't lose exp for longer checks, just loot

[placid mural]

Without the s b talent ships will stop after the second run

[paper sail]

If my dock is full, I get no EXP. That's the point

[sacred verge]

you cant open construction if u snapshot afaik

[tall horizon]

Use the talent for long afks

[paper sail]

I mean

[placid mural]

You might test it because i've only seen it reset after I go to the cog page

[paper sail]

I start losing EXP after 2 rounds of 97 minutes lol

[undone steeple]

is it common to spend more than a month trying to get ancient fury eldritch relic?

[opaque sun]

Happens

[silent pendant]

Does the exp gain for other characters go up with div lvls when Mantra is used?

[opaque sun]

If character A gets 500 exp, it shares 500exp to others

So it doesnt matter what other guys have. Its copies the same gain of what the mantra guy has

[tidal sky]

which screen is more mob dense on w1 so i can farm crystal with BM?

poop?

[signal osprey]

Why would you farm W1 crystals on BM?

[opaque sun]

why crystals on bm?

Like out of all things. If for statue farming, its better for him to afk dreadlo ores

[signal osprey]

Only ones even worth considering would be W5 at wurms if you want to level him

[tidal sky]

100k statues

noo not spending candies

[tacit tulip]

Just afk him

It's not like BM has anything better to do

[signal osprey]

Even without candy afk is the answer. Active BM is suicide for your account progress

Especially active W1 statues lol

[tidal sky]

it is because i wanted to rush 100k on all chars and active is faster than afk and i dont spend candies

[signal osprey]

For BM active won't even be that much faster though thats the thing

Like the class is useless

[feral hemlock]

Bm active in crystals is like the same as dreadlo afk

[opaque sun]

If you have the opportunity to use candies you always should

[paper sail]

@signal osprey I've made Bubo-ing less miserable each day. After I get my water full, I still let Bubo get CC's timer back, then set them back to their AFK task. Start CC, swap back to active DK. Now when I have to get water again in the future, I get 2 back to back CCs. Granted the first one is kinda eh because I lose some time resetting the prayer, equipment, cards, and lab chps, but mentally it feels much much better.

[opaque sun]

An hour used here is same as an hour used later

Issue is later, you have less options to use candies

[signal osprey]

Thats also how you get meme CC times too

[molten scarab]

just use 10 mob respawn chips , easy lol

[tidal sky]

oh well i guess you do have a point, i can't argue that

did not want to spend

[paper sail]

Oh, does it actually combine the times? lmao. I hit auto and then open the alchemy screen, never pay attention

[signal osprey]

If you activate CC while the previous one is going it just adds the timer together at the end so you can get a big number and troll gen chat

[paper sail]

My god. I'll have to watch for that lol

[cerulean hemlock]

Imagine getting kills on vman

[paper sail]

No thanks. Don't put that juju nightmare on me

[cerulean hemlock]

Now imagine that vman didn't reset to 2 mil.

Now imagine that vman AOE attack CD was 10 seconds shorter.

Wouldn't that be nice?

[signal osprey]

Candy is an infinite resource whereas active farming is limited to 24 hours per day. Anything that can be candied should be candied so you reserve your limited active time for things that have to be active like CC or DK crystals

[opaque sun]

Late gamers are always trying to find an excuse to use candies

[paper sail]

Farming the 6k w4 boss keys also finished the vial

[cerulean hemlock]

Little did they realize they needed to click alot 😭

[signal osprey]

Candy's sole purpose in life is to maximize active DK time

[tidal sky]

you guys speaks too much facts how can i not use candie now

[signal osprey]

Anything that cuts into DK time gets candied

[opaque sun]

candy reserve being 0 is actually a good thing

[cerulean hemlock]

How much nutritional content is in a time candy?

[feral hemlock]

Which char /class do you use your 6k keys on first?

[opaque sun]

Army Surplus of candies just means banked time not doing anything

[tidal sky]

i was saving for idk 100b on gmush i only have 9 i think

oh or even bb super chow

[sacred verge]

im saving candy for w6

[opaque sun]

By using candies now, you can start doing the 100b gmush earlier

[signal osprey]

If getting 100b gmush means you do things like active BM then 100b isn't worth it lol

[opaque sun]

Doing candies now means you get to work on other tasks earlier, so its a net gain on everything

[paper sail]

Personally, I'm using mine on DK. I don't care enough to do this quest again any time soon, and DK is my Mush miniboss killer so just rolled with it.

[feral hemlock]

Yeah i personally farmed like 4-5k already and planning to do on DK aswell

[tidal sky]

when will lava buff candy to be like a real 1 life hour, 1 hour on all chars

[feral hemlock]

Never

[cerulean hemlock]

If lava buffs candy DF will have infinite power

[paper sail]

Never, I hope. Can you imagine the fucking minmaxing I would need to do

[signal osprey]

I already asked him and he said that was in companion batch 3

[cerulean hemlock]

DF is never good with that power.

[cerulean hemlock]

Along with Mrs.Doot?

[paper sail]

Almost there though. Probably another day or so

[opaque sun]

And i suppose “2x big game hunter bubble effect” on the following batch

[cerulean hemlock]

I swear if lava doesn't add in a red panda in W6 I'll quit

[paper sail]

Why stop at 2x? I want every giant I kill to INCREASE my odds of getting the next giant.

[signal osprey]

Yeah big game hunter is in batch 4. Batch 2 is split screen so you can CC while you DK

[cerulean hemlock]

10 in one chance of getting a giant

[opaque sun]

60% * 2 seems good enough

[cerulean hemlock]

Split screen would kill me.

[paper sail]

Only 120%? Nah man

I need to spawn multiple giants per real kill

[cerulean hemlock]

Gotta get candy farming

[opaque sun]

Like by the 3rd of the week say 120% will be spawning all giants

[cerulean hemlock]

Gstack all of them

[cerulean hemlock]

10th batch is become a Mini-Lava

[paper sail]

Which batch fixes Glitterbug?

[cerulean hemlock]

We're all rattling about pet companions now the fire's started 🤣

[opaque sun]

Since all mobs become giants, its like “who needs ES to farm basic mats? Its all DK”

[cerulean hemlock]

Never

[tidal sky]

glitterbug is already perfect by lava standards

[opaque sun]

With 120% big game hunter, glitterbug gonna be op

[signal osprey]

Double big game hunter would fix it

[paper sail]

Now I wanna play some Nintendo 6️⃣ 4️⃣

[cerulean hemlock]

Me too now

[signal osprey]

Even with the reduced giants spawn odds having 100% BGH would make your odds never increase so it doesnt really matter

[opaque sun]

Basically all mobs will be giants that spawns 2 crystals, which mean game slogs down

[paper sail]

Yo I've got Pokemon Stadium, you can come over but you have to bring your own controller

[cerulean hemlock]

An endless multiplier

[cerulean hemlock]

Give address ❤️

[paper sail]

If you beat me at the Ekans ring toss minigame though, I'm telling my mom

[cerulean hemlock]

Don't you DARE pull out the Mom Card 😭

Or I'll pull out the........

BRUCE LEE FAN WHO ACTUALLY USES NUMCHUCKS(well) CARD

[tidal sky]

i officially started my journey of being an hourly clicker 🫡

[paper sail]

No Vman print?

[heavy moth]

and the fun starting

[paper sail]

6 slots on Bullfrog horns..

I guess that 200k probably is the Vman lol

[tidal sky]

i need to get 26 vials soon for the 100% snake vial 😭

[tidal sky]

yeah, but i think i missed the buff when doing that idk

[paper sail]

My voidrun vs not voidrun prints were around 25x higher

[tidal sky]

idk how u guys can kill chizoar and have time for print, i cannot kill chizoar and have plenty of time for that

[paper sail]

That's a new thing for me. My initial prints were only killing the first 2 bosses

I can make Chizoar now if I make a straight path for them and not stop for all the extra maps like Sticks/Nutto/Woodshrooms, Dedo Rams, etc.

Oh, and Nobisect lol. Makes a huge difference

[tidal sky]

oh there is that, well i never switch vman to nobi

[heavy moth]

to have time to print W4 and W5 i didnt evevn bother to kill bosses

[paper sail]

The bosses are like 80% of the value of voidrun printing though

[paper sail]

Yeah, same. Mine normally runs Snake all the time, but Nobi bumped me from 42 -> 53 portal highscore 🤷 It is worth it to try once in a while

[heavy moth]

could maybe do amarok but always out of time for the deep mobs in w4 so did w/o

[lavish cloak]

how much higher can i realistically shoot in rewards?

[paper sail]

None. 40 is the cap.

[lavish cloak]

thanks.

[paper sail]

Lava thinks we're all very inaccurate bastards

[lavish cloak]

i'm just happy there is at least one gimme reward 😛

[paper sail]

Same, haha

[tidal sky]

but ur max is not 53 right? i have 50

[heavy moth]

rip never got that trial

[paper sail]

It is my current max, yes. Only tried once with Nobi 🤷

[tidal sky]

you definitely can do higher then if you really try

what are u guys getting here just base stat?

[heavy moth]

skill eff

[tidal sky]

it is multi?

[paper sail]

I did 1 point across the board, the rest into Base Stats

The Skill Eff is additive with some other source, barely did anything for me

[glass rose]

Is there a threshold for stamps/alchemy bubbles where any more upgrades are useless?

[tidal sky]

kinda they do have diminushing returns, we do have a sheet that calculates for you

[molten scarab]

For you to decide
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HgEWk3_7nT6tVsMeSXEiHcKfOD9_5AWeqRD6_ZkqexU/edit#gid=72800316

[tidal sky]

👆

[signal osprey]

Just dont kill chiz then. The multikill buff is like 75% of your vman print with the respawn just being a bonus on top of that. Stopping at efaunt is worth it if it means you have the buff available for your samples

[paper sail]

Is Jman's Breakin' the Bank still causing money rollover and should be avoided?

[signal osprey]

I was never even aware of that being an issue but it also doesnt really make much of a difference even if it is

[bright vine]

Wait, you can print as vman speedrun?

[paper sail]

Casting it turns all my Lustre coins on the ground to turn Void 😂

[signal osprey]

You have to if you want good samples

His respawn and multikill talents only apply during speedruns

[bright vine]

Dang

That’s a ton of multikill he is getting

I wonder how much higher the sample gets

[paper sail]

The respawn from boss killing is massive too honestly

[tidal sky]

btw to max vial of frog, rat and mimic it takes a while even with ES active and vman printing right?

[cerulean hemlock]

COMMUNISM

[signal osprey]

That really just depends on your ES and vman tbh

[bright vine]

Do your point go lower on tab 4 if you do a speedrun and it’s not as high as last time?

[signal osprey]

If I were to go back and do early vials now my ES could finish a vial in less than a day

[molten scarab]

no point printing vial mats , ES does these in a day

[signal osprey]

You got that backwards

No point in doing ES because vman has nothing else worth printing anyways

[tidal sky]

how is that possible i take more than an hour to fill my inv and it is not that much

[signal osprey]

And active ES takes away from DK and bubo

[paper sail]

Massive damage, portal duration / general talent levels, DR

[molten scarab]

carry cap star and prayer for -afk

can do 150-200mil inveys

good while doing your W3 statues etc

[paper sail]

I can't imagine trying to active farm ES with only millions of damage

[feral hemlock]

Should i lvl this up to around 500?

[paper sail]

It was already slow in my mind with 200 billion

[signal osprey]

I cant imagine farming active ES because every thing he does for your account can be rplaced with 3D prints and candy

[paper sail]

That bubble is already useless. Prowess is hard capped at 2x for your entire account across all sources. Only level it to keep it off of your NBLB list.

[feral hemlock]

Ah isee

[tidal sky]

i mean my ES is not that bad my carry cap iirc is 1.8M mats each and 500b dmg but is is slow, guess i will follow the advice to DK until the end of the world and leave vamn printing that

[feral hemlock]

What about this?

[molten scarab]

you gonna print 1 billion mammoth tusks instead of getting 13 vial in a day active? suppose it works

[signal osprey]

Endgame idleon is all about maximizing the amount of time you can spend not playing ES so yeah it definitely works

[paper sail]

Severapurple is a fantastic bubble. You can take that one very high

[lavish cloak]

card farming w4 and w5 resources is demoralizing. 23 hours afk for 350 bee cards.

[feral hemlock]

I just recently resampled a bit, so i think my atom income just skyrocketed, could up this with daily atoms...

[molten scarab]

I chose to look at it as W3 statue farming instead , although that was barely worth it as well so could be right

[signal osprey]

Basically active farming time is one of the most valuable resources in the game and on top of that its hard capped at 24 hours per day

So getting the most value possible out of that time is important

And that means anything that can be printed or afk/candied should be

So that you only active farm on activities that have to be done actively

[feral hemlock]

Im currently active es for worship and construction statues.... because when i tried candying i got minuscule like 30-50 statues/1h candy

[cerulean hemlock]

Endgame is about playing the game 24/7

[signal osprey]

Like CC or DK crystals

[glass rose]

thanks

[signal osprey]

If you play the game 24/7 on ES you will make no progress compared to 24/7 on DK at beans

[molten scarab]

yeah but my vials all been 13 for months now, saved the printng time for whatever bponus that is

[signal osprey]

Its not a very big bonus lol

Printing for vials is one of vmans most important jobs

No reason to take that from him

[feral hemlock]

Indeed :/

[signal osprey]

Whatever value you gains from saving a few days on his prints is nothing compared to the value you lost using ES instead of DK for however long it took to max vials

[quartz turtle]

hampters?

[signal osprey]

Hampters is the one unfortunate exception that you do the bare minimum of and move on

[opaque sun]

meanwhile im doing 1m plunder now

[molten scarab]

same her elol

[signal osprey]

Although you can still afk it too. I had my BM farm hundreds of my hampters

1m plunder is at least something of value that can only be done actively even if its not as valuable as DK

[tidal sky]

the most important statues farm is w1 farm right

[signal osprey]

ES active is nothing of value

[paper sail]

Pretty much all of my Hampters were afk farmed

[signal osprey]

I'd do 1m plunder before I consider doing even a single vial on ES

[molten scarab]

we beg to differ I suppose

[signal osprey]

Everything he does gets outsourced lol

[molten scarab]

Actually 13 vials was pretty massive, at the cost of a week n a half on ES + W3 statues 2 birds one stone

[cerulean hemlock]

*one statue XD

[signal osprey]

As someone who has every maxable vial at max I promise its not as massive as you think

[opaque sun]

ES active is only for those damage enthusiasts that wants as much possible damage bonuses from wormholes

[signal osprey]

Its good sure but not worth the opportunity cost of precious active time

Active time is your most valuable asset

[cerulean hemlock]

Aren't all people damage enthusiasts? 🥺

[molten scarab]

my vman just been stuck on spore caps

[opaque sun]

Not many as you might imagine

[cerulean hemlock]

I mean, most of us get crit chance to 200%

[opaque sun]

Getting damage to “enough” is just normal progress

[fervent yew]

Why? Don't you lose kills whenever you do a new dpeedrun on them?

[opaque sun]

Damage enthusiasts are like those going for Q damage for no real practical reason

[paper sail]

I need to find something better for my Vman to print

[molten scarab]

no idea havent done a run in 2 months haha

[signal osprey]

I'm just doing gmush for bubble 2's

[molten scarab]

i wonder if he do oak logs these days

[paper sail]

Same lol. Gmush and Gigafrog Horns for stamps / bubble2s

[fervent yew]

Speedruns reset all kills to 2m (or your other chars best for that job, whichever the lower), so you will lose all their gmush kills if you ever speedrun with them again, someone correct me if I'm wrong xD

[opaque sun]

Vman prints mobs during speed run

[paper sail]

You're correct, but they were talking about printing spore caps, not afk killing them.

[fervent yew]

Ahhhh that explains it

[pine yacht]

I forgor, wtf were green w1 leefs used for ?

[paper sail]

Choppin efficiency mage talent

[signal osprey]

Mage talent gives chopping efficiency based on the number of leaves in storage

[pine yacht]

ah right, that's it

pow of 10 iirc

greenstacking this shit might take a while ...

[paper sail]

Happens naturally while DK farming Beans

My stacks aren't huge but

[feral hemlock]

Can you help me with optimal vman voidrun setup, should i focus more on respawn% or dmg for resampling mob mats?

[pine yacht]

I am only at 400k

[feral hemlock]

Nice! Mine is at 11m

[opaque sun]

If you can get big damaage for a damage tier, go damage

[paper sail]

2 card sets. One for full damage, one with AFK. Use the full damage when getting portals, then the AFK set for actually taking the samples.

[feral hemlock]

Never thought of that, thanks!

[opaque sun]

During a void run, you get heaps of respawn % from boss kills, so few respawn chips isnt much in relative

[feral hemlock]

Roger that

[fathom lagoon]

Also make sure you have enough keys for nightmare version of bosses right? I need to do another void run soon

[opaque sun]

For samples you only need to kill normals

Nightmare is just for portal runs

[fathom lagoon]

Ohh good to know. The strat is push as far as you can and towards end of timer, teleport back and sample what you need right?

[opaque sun]

basically

[molten scarab]

As many bosses as you can

[fathom lagoon]

Bet thanks y’all

[opaque sun]

You can also get one free boss bonus by starting at a boss fight outside of void, press speed run, kill boss before you teleport to gmush

[feral hemlock]

Like w4 for example?

[signal osprey]

And dont be greedy going for boss kills either. The multikill talent is worth more than the respawn so its important to have enough time to do all your samples with the buff up

[fathom lagoon]

Lmao people are so sneaky

[opaque sun]

like troll or kattle yea

[feral hemlock]

Nice my vman is too weak to 1shot kattle on nm. So yeah w4 then.

[molten scarab]

Fuck NM kattle haha

[signal osprey]

Doesnt need to be NM for a sample

Difficulty only matters if going for a high score run

[molten scarab]

that shit took me 5minutes

[pine yacht]

I can only oneshot his ass on norm :p

[signal osprey]

Normal kruk is good enough for a sample run

[opaque sun]

Like start boss at normal troll or kattle, use cheese strat

[pine yacht]

dafuq is a sample run bt

btw*

[opaque sun]

Killing w1-w3 bosses during speedrun is easy enough

[mild merlin]

Vman sample I assume

[feral hemlock]

Oh rly? Didnt know that!!

[opaque sun]

you can sample during speed runs

[signal osprey]

Vman gets his samples during his speedrun

[mild merlin]

Vman gets a lot of mob material prints with multikill during a speedrun

[opaque sun]

And during speed runs vman gets crazy crazy mk bonus from void radius and respawn bonus for killing bosses

[pine yacht]

oh so you would sample while speedrunning ?

[opaque sun]

So he gets to sample like what, 10x more mats than other classes

[molten scarab]

useful with shit brain

[feral hemlock]

What about obols for vman? Luck/damage/premium multikill%

[opaque sun]

Pretty much

Kattle obol more important

As long sparkle is kattle obol, rest doesnt matter too much.

[cerulean hemlock]

That looks cute! Solar Frost is still alive? Didn't he quit?

[opaque sun]

Even hyper mk obol gonna feel small since you get a super mk per tier boost anyway from void radius

[pine yacht]

this was before followers

[molten scarab]

No that I am aware of

[cerulean hemlock]

RIP solar frost x2 then 😭

[feral hemlock]

So if im only going for mats resample the portals actually dont matter 🙂

[opaque sun]

Portal is only for making a path to boss

Use snake god instead of nobi for sample runs

Nobi kills are not mk, so they are not counted towards samples

[feral hemlock]

I have doot so it doesnt matter 😄

[molten scarab]

Ignore hte KPK suggestion in total I suppose

id just get to chiz start at troll

actually ima go re-sample now lo

nice tip topb1rd

[cerulean hemlock]

WAIT I GET A NEW TIP FOR PET COMPS

[feral hemlock]

Same dude. Thanks @opaque sun

[cerulean hemlock]

Cycle 2: Time candies can be used to procc Omiphaunt

[opaque sun]

Im just waiting for 2x more big game hunter bubble effect companion

[nimble yarrow]

after buying the bribes from garbage island, what should I be going for next?

[opaque sun]

then you go after the bonuses you want

All the garbage and bribe rush was so you can get those nice bonuses

Getting bribe is like finishing lv5 on all shiny pet speed pets. You just finished preparing for to grind on upgrades

[lavish cloak]

after 8000 fragments spent, i've given up on trying to get both the afk gain and the damage +1%. anyone hit it and remember how long it took?

[tidal sky]

you really want to min max huh, i just left at 6% afk

[lavish cloak]

i figured it'd be useful for my main SB

i have been cleansed of this delusion

and yes, definitely the afk +1

[tidal sky]

this should be pinned, crucial and never knew that...

[sick sentinel]

yeaaah that 1% extra total dmg not worth as usual

[tidal sky]

thank you for busting this myth

[nimble yarrow]

yeah but at some point in min maxing what else are you going to do

[sick sentinel]

took 1k frags just to get the +1 dmg roll... im good not needing to farm obol frags again

there are other better things to min max

[tidal sky]

1k frag with +1dmg and +1 afk right?

[sick sentinel]

nope just dmg

[tidal sky]

then dmg seems to be harder to get cause on two that i have i never got +1dmg before +1 afk

[sick sentinel]

yeah i had multiple +afk rolls in that time frame

[fervent brook]

Once I get all bubbles atomed I think I might focus on Larry

[tidal sky]

what exactly do you mean by all bubbles atomed and why wait on larry exactly?

[sick sentinel]

im back on larry now, going for 115

[tidal sky]

u need wwhat lvl for that? 3k?

[sick sentinel]

i dont remember maybe like 2500 or so

[fervent brook]

You get to bubble to 100M resources so you can use atoms to upgrade the bubble instead of that resource.

[molten scarab]

15% chance for + 3 ?

pycho's

[void hawk]

What is a minor link bonus?

[nimble yarrow]

just a bonus you get when linking to that god

[sick sentinel]

looks like 2303 according to the wiki

[tidal sky]

sure, but you definitely should not get all bubbles on atom range just to go for larry