lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[old portal]

maybe cuz of lvl 263 quick slap?

[green eagle]

i'm pretty certain w1 chat has that pinned the last i checked

[opaque sun]

Should be higher even before slap

[old portal]

idk what am i doing wrong i have 1b damage without booty

well armor yea but armor alone wont give me much damage

[opaque sun]

Are other classes like 10b zone?

[old portal]

yeah

[cerulean hemlock]

poops since more mobs ig

[opaque sun]

More of general damage issue than vman i guess

[old portal]

20b on spear bubo and 10b on ES other are on 5b

yeah and idk which big bonuses am i i missing other than the last 2 artifact

[opaque sun]

vman being like 1/10 of other classes are totally normal

[fallen torrent]

Boss from event boss tropped me some trash 😮

[old portal]

iam strugling to get better damage i think i can get more but idk which damage multi should i focus

[fallen torrent]

dropped*

[tacit tulip]

The new bribes do that, assuming you have them

[old portal]

what are those and where to get

[opaque sun]

Island expedition

[fallen torrent]

poop doesnt drop instalab though

[old portal]

aight i dont have mch yet since i only get 3 islands and always forget to claim them when i ran pass to the islands

[fallen torrent]

@tacit tulip oh true. i forgot to read exactly what they were when i bought em

Rats does drop

[green eagle]

bubo uses gloves now btw

he changed spear to not give aoe attacks to anyone not warrior, so you go gloves to spread aura and slightly faster animations

[old portal]

wait what happened again lol

https://zockie.idleonefficiency.com
tips for general damage increase? my alchemy is just waiting game atm

[fallen torrent]

finally done follower quest!

[opaque sun]

my BM still has locked spear as a memento of his old glory active farming days

[green eagle]

the answer will always be:
Alchemy
Stamps
Cooking

[green eagle]

those were the days 🥹

[fallen torrent]

i still have this item in my chest in memory of good old bug

[old portal]

but i think theres big damage boosts that i am missing other than the last 2 artis

[green eagle]

i wish i had that item for slab

[opaque sun]

cooking kind of reaching the cap of people getting lv60, but until then still part of the big 3

[green eagle]

whispering voice: "alchemyyyyyy, stampsssss, cookinggggg"

[old portal]

aight time to focus on stamps then

[green eagle]

one of those artis you're probably thinking of is a TINY damage increase, like less than 25% unless you're hoarding gold to the levels of being banned for exploits

[fallen torrent]

oh yeah golden food bonus % finally. this stam pis gooodah

[opaque sun]

damage boost from sailing peak time is crystal steak

[green eagle]

that the 80 trash stamp?

[fallen torrent]

no the follower quest one

[opaque sun]

After that, other damage boosts are kind of small in relative

[green eagle]

OH lmao forgot about that stamp

the only other one that is big for damage is the 10% all stats increase, but even then you need to have high base stats to take advantage of it anyways

[cerulean hemlock]

W2 islands, alchemy, stamps

[cerulean hemlock]

One second

[rotund smelt]

so i just unlocked snail, does it work off daily reset or off of gaming garden time? like, does log / chemical plant affect it?

[cerulean hemlock]

Aww 😭

[paper sail]

I tried to use the X to close gaming Log Book, ended up hitting harvest all too 💀

[cerulean hemlock]

Library books?

[opaque sun]

Socrates is nice, offers lot of utilities, but for damage is bit more subtle than what crystal steak gave

[green eagle]

how many days into the future did you go?

[paper sail]

Not enough to get any new T6 registered

[gentle anchor]

is it a bad idea if youre going for wave 2OO to get badum to 1OOk stacks?

[cerulean hemlock]

Sadness

[unreal fox]

hi guys, should i save 600b or upgrade base value? my stats

[fallen torrent]

+4% all stat with golden food thx to the stamp

[humble valve]

hey guys does cchizoar get boosted by the card chips from lab?

[tacit tulip]

Back in the day it did

Then lava took it from us to stop the snapshot shenanigans 😄

Tbf I prefer it as a passive card

[granite grove]

but the extra crystal chance and DR tho

[cerulean hemlock]

Ikr 😦

[tacit tulip]

The less I have to mess about with card sets the better lol

[cerulean hemlock]

True

[sacred monolith]

Whats the next thing to work on for garbage island after you buy the new bribes?

[cerulean hemlock]

Stamps and + bottles ig

[humble valve]

yeah i wanted to use it for crystal chance currently at 1/34 and wanted to increase it my statue rate seems very slow

[true obsidian]

uhm...its 2 hours for this, should i stop using ES at woodmush?

[sand summit]

seems alright to me itll just take a while

[paper sail]

AFK will only net you ~100 per hour

[true obsidian]

it so slow :< and it need 20k

[cerulean hemlock]

It's acceptable.

[true obsidian]

just said i got 400 each hour, that 50 hours, more than 2 days :<

[sand summit]

this is from 14 hours of active ES

[true obsidian]

why it not DK

[cerulean hemlock]

2 days is ok

[cerulean hemlock]

Cause portal

[signal osprey]

Most people will take 2 or 3 days on the ES statues thats normal

[paper sail]

Woof, how terrible are your stats 🤣

[tacit tulip]

W3 statues don't drop from crystal mobs

[signal osprey]

A min maxed endgame ES is still about a day

[sand summit]

they are quite high compared to most of the players
Just not enough i guess

[cerulean hemlock]

Prob just DR

[cerulean hemlock]

Take heart, I'm a lot worse 🙂

[green eagle]

seems like you have an even faster rate than those who told you to do it active ES. congratulations, your account is faster

[true obsidian]

guess now i need to 💳 for x1.2 drop rate :<

[cerulean hemlock]

As long as you make progress, don't worry

[sand summit]

yknow speaking of DR i could prob attempt getting the divine gear stuff with drop rate

my ES is capable of killing nightmare kruk after all

[cerulean hemlock]

Good thing is I've already saved up 4 months worth of chopping statues on my miner

[old portal]

can you active farm recipe as ES with 7x dr? is that good thing to do?

[cerulean hemlock]

I'm just lazy to do the quest

[cerulean hemlock]

Filter a few items though

[gentle furnace]

almost same duration

[old portal]

yeah ik just asking if i can or vman afking is better but yeah thanks

[signal osprey]

My statues took a few minutes of clicking candy. Would highly recommend

[sand summit]

20x DR?

[gentle furnace]

15

[cerulean hemlock]

Candy is so useful and so obtainable! Unlike 2 years ago

[sand summit]

why is the difference so high?

im at 12x

I dont get drop rate man xd

[paper sail]

Probably damage

Active ES needs high damage to reach higher portal numbers for higher DR increases

[signal osprey]

Yeah candy is a nearly infinite resource whereas active time is limited to 24 hours a day. Anything that can be candied should almost always be candied so that you save your active time for things that require active play

[sand summit]

lol i have higher crit damage at least

Everything else is uhhh

not enough i suppose

[paper sail]

That's almost for sure your issue. I bet they're getting much higher portal numbers each time

[sand summit]

I heard the quick slap bubble is best for general damage increase

After getting like 80% on all the other bubbles i mean

Is that true?

[paper sail]

It is, but that bubble is Atom only so big opportunity cost

[sand summit]

Its a lower tier bubble so I can afford to atom it

[paper sail]

Losing out on other important options like Call Me Bob though

[gentle furnace]

im getting around 100b dmg daily from 50 daily clicks

[cerulean hemlock]

Now imagine farming W5 statues

[sand summit]

from quick slap?

[gentle furnace]

yeah

[sand summit]

Any idea why that one is better than the other 2 base damage bubbles?

[paper sail]

Math.

[signal osprey]

Do that while doing my bubo farming

[sand summit]

Well ill keep it in mind

[signal osprey]

All 3 have basically infinite scaling

[cerulean hemlock]

How many statues pet hour?

[sand summit]

prob have to do some bubo cranium stuff tho cuz i have like 0 liquids left

[signal osprey]

Never really kept track but its not a lot lol

But considering how much I have to play bubo it still adds up

[sand summit]

i think ill switch to increasing my stats before i continue statues

[signal osprey]

Although W5 statues are just slow in general. My 1 in 26 DK with 20.5x DR would still only get like 1500 div statues per hour at wurms

With consistent 800+ orb

[uncut hull]

it took me 5 days to get 20k div statues

[signal osprey]

Yeah I dont doubt that a lot of players would take that long if it takes me nearly a day

[uncut hull]

not fun at all

[paper sail]

Took me less than 2 days. Right around 2x what W1 took

[glad crow]

[uncut hull]

I've just got the W3 ES statues to do now and they are so slow too

[thin kernel]

is they any point in claming hours insted of let us say 8 hours? ( i have doot so i get random "speedup" )

[signal osprey]

Cant wait to farm statues again. I'm forcing myself to do some GT

[paper sail]

context? claiming hours of what?

[old portal]

thats sad money gated on stamps

[glad crow]

what level gt you at now? also im kinda the reverse of that.... my bubo has been on the bench for a while now and it pains me

[old portal]

btw tips to craft alot of these

[thin kernel]

of afk time

[glad crow]

its pain no matter what

[signal osprey]

If you can print 1b of a resource per hour you can level that bubble up every time your printer procs. If you claim omni every hour you can also level them up again for each 3D printer hit you get on omni

[paper sail]

what kind of afk time..

[old portal]

wait since when you can hold craft from storage lol

[glad crow]

its slower than inventory

[paper sail]

Craft from your inventory, not from storage. It's a zillion times faster

[signal osprey]

9500

[old portal]

crafting so slow tho nvm

[glad crow]

what you aiming for?

[thin kernel]

ahh sso that s good right ? and ofc more "point" for atom

[paper sail]

You can craft 10m in 20-30 minutes from inventory

[signal osprey]

I told myself 20k but I dont know if that will happen

I already want out

Give me my DK back

[paper sail]

Like it's slow but it is significantly faster than storage crfting

[glad crow]

i dont think you want to go for that lul

[signal osprey]

Well its up to you if its good really. It requires checking the game every hour lol

But assuming thats not a problem then yeah its objectively the best way to improve your account. Hourly clicks have been the endgame of idleon ever since the atom collider came out

[cerulean hemlock]

No level 12560.

[glad crow]

i will let nblb do it

[signal osprey]

Go to 42069

And if you miss it with larry then you have to go to 69420

[thin kernel]

well atm im farming "bars" so im at the pc for a few hours anyways 😄

only need like 600m of ironbar XD

[paper sail]

I can't be bothered with those Bar vials

[signal osprey]

I'll get there soon

[paper sail]

nah lmao

[thin kernel]

you will get it done... hopefull soon 🙂

[signal osprey]

No that vial isnt possible to max I'm just getting a couple more levels in it

[cerulean hemlock]

I'll take the bars

[pearl cedar]

What do you mean you don't have 100k candies just sitting around?

[cerulean hemlock]

100k hour's worth of candies

But not 100k candies 😮

That'd be too much power

Kinda how like DF had that and did the worst things imaginable with it

[signal osprey]

If dradlo bar only took 100k claims I would call it possible

[paper sail]

Bro that's only 200 perfect Cosmic candies, ez

[thin kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-take-you-to-the-candy-shop-hype-rap-50cent-gif-16823624

[pearl cedar]

Probably take more than that I guess. Think it is like 3k claims for iron bar, dreadlo bar something like 400k or something

[signal osprey]

Ridiculous but possible

The original math when it first came out was 997k claims

[cerulean hemlock]

Overpriced candy shop

[signal osprey]

That was before arcade though so its less now but assuming max forge its still probably like 450k or something

[thin kernel]

handmade by lava2 😉

[pearl cedar]

That's only 1.5 years worth of 2 min claims

[tacit tulip]

maxed ruck sack today and broke past 3mil carry cap 😄

[thin kernel]

frick thats a lots of time XD ...

[thin kernel]

noice 😄 now to farm lots of mats XD

[paper sail]

never enough

[old portal]

do you guys do a bit more than 10m for mob mats for greenstacking?

[twilit goblet]

finally 60 wormhole kills on ES for rift, legit took quite a bit of minmaxing

[thin kernel]

i do as im doing world tour atm ( 1bil mobs) and im saving all the mats.. so i have it when i need it 🙂

[paper sail]

Hate to say, but you missed something important.. You should have been able to clear around 100 - 130b. Grats either way

[twilit goblet]

probably megacrit tbh

which i debated whether i shud stop saving for persephone and dunk all flurbo into the book

but i guess i dont need it so soon now

[vagrant mountain]

Persephone is replaced by divine scarf

[twilit goblet]

my vman is pretty far from having enough dmg

to unlock recipe

[paper sail]

Yeah don't stress perseph, it's basically just for slab now. 1i s plenty for the account

[twilit goblet]

yeaa itll be my first one

[vagrant mountain]

I never got a persephone

[twilit goblet]

divine scarf is quite a bit away so persephone would help my samples quite a bit in the meantime

maybe megacrit would help a lot against nm kruk though

think ill just grab one for slab and samples then start focusing dmg to get to nm kruk

[iron nymph]

Is there a reason my daily reset seems to have flipped from 1am to 1pm

[twilit goblet]

desync

[vagrant mountain]

you're playing too much ES

[iron nymph]

I've cloud saved dozens of times

[vagrant mountain]

you'd need to cloud save like every 30 mins to avoid desync on ES

[iron nymph]

But it happened instantaneously

My reset was like 1:16 am and swapped to exactly 1:16 pm

[paper sail]

Did you enter companion park, by any chance?

[iron nymph]

At some point probably

[paper sail]

I've heard that entering companion park sorta saves any desync the moment you enter

[iron nymph]

Nope, I'm just permanently flipped

I don't think it's generic desync

[paper sail]

That's my point- If you have some desync that could have been cleared by Cloud Saving but instead you enter companion park, you're stuck with it.

[vagrant mountain]

I just avoid my ES like the plague

[iron nymph]

Why is it exactly 12 hours flipped then? That's so bizarre

Cosmic chance?

[cerulean hemlock]

Me who has ES main: 🔫

[vagrant mountain]

DK master race

anything my ES needs to farm, he can do it AFK

[fathom lagoon]

DK goat

[fervent brook]

Finally got all bags to max for all characters.

[paper sail]

That would be my guess, yes.

[gilded vault]

I wonder why no one mentions hunter !

[paper sail]

Because it sucks.

[vagrant mountain]

eagle eye bot?

[iron nymph]

I was thinking maybe time is programmed as 12 hours with an enum, and that enum failed to flip

[vagrant mountain]

I wonder if I class change my hunter to SB, my trapper drone would still work

[paper sail]

My initial reaction is "That's a dumb way to do it, no way" but this is Lava so 🤔

[iron nymph]

I really enjoy thinking about goofy ways to implement stuff

[vagrant mountain]

idleon - when a pixel artist decides he wants to be a game dev

[rough wasp]

Got to rift 36

[uncut hull]

does midas touch prayer increase the multikill tiers?

[paper sail]

Do you mean decrease? Yes

[uncut hull]

i meant increase the requirments my bad

[paper sail]

Yes. Enemies have more base HP, so the requirement for a damage tier goes up too

[uncut hull]

coolio

[novel scarab]

expedition island in order?

[vagrant mountain]

crystal or rando

unless you have 20k candies to use on fractal

[novel scarab]

so fractal save fo last?

[untold saffron]

can you write the idle skilling crossover codes down and claim them later to keep progressing before the time-gated idleon claim?

[pulsar condor]

So I know ideally i should wait to deposit statues until I have all Onyx. But some of these like box, souls etc are going to take forever to get to 20k.

[untold saffron]

you could candy them to speed it up

[pulsar condor]

I do have a lot of candy

[wanton stag]

in sailing is there a way to decrees Minimum Travel Time below 2h?

[twin token]

Sb family talent

[wanton stag]

is that it?

[twin token]

Think so

[cerulean hemlock]

Yep!

[wanton stag]

ty

[cerulean hemlock]

Oh yeah, that

[cerulean hemlock]

And also remember the family bonus talent %+ I presume

[twin token]

How much does the bouquet cost in pd

[cerulean hemlock]

pd?

[twin token]

Party dungeon

[balmy harness]

What's the best Party Dungeon rank 50 Trait to use?

[cerulean hemlock]

12k or 15k I think

[twin token]

Rip

[cerulean hemlock]

What are the options again? remind me please

[twin token]

Why everything gotta be big number

[balmy harness]

Max hp 1 but 10 rng items, max hp 1 but 10k mana regen -50%attack, Max hp 1 but 300 attack speed and 5 something

[fickle path]

Should traps be set on VMan (because of Species Epoch) or BM (because of hunter abilities)?

[cerulean hemlock]

Final one or the second one. Pairs well with ES

[cerulean hemlock]

Or best, don't equip anything. 1hp is risky

[balmy harness]

ES?

[cerulean hemlock]

Elemental Sorcerer

[balmy harness]

Oh I'm DK

[vagrant mountain]

wtf the rank 50 dungeon buffs reduce your HP to 1?

[balmy harness]

Yeah

[vagrant mountain]

that's so jank

[balmy harness]

I might not use any of them

[fickle path]

Thanks

[vagrant mountain]

basically relying on blocks to survive

[wanton stag]

there all bad, i dont run the rank 50 trait. Lava said in the next patch hes changed the rank 50 traits to be more usable

[cerulean hemlock]

The latter then. or none.

[wanton stag]

RNG Voucher lets you get so many extra items you should just focus on boosting enchancer drop rates

[white trellis]

If I get pet breeding gains with Omniphau, does this also count for the shiny lvl of pets?

aw

[sacred verge]

any1 else had problems claiming IS trophy? reached tehee 16 but still no code will appear

[vagrant mountain]

I'm still trying to get to the mist

codes have worked fine for me tho

[fathom lagoon]

I wish

About to go out of town for 4 days. Going to leave my SB’s/BM at gmush, DK’s/ES’s farming troll keys, BB cooking, vman fishing (for skelefish trying to upgrade my bows to lustre version) and my bubo at crawlers

Anything I’m doing wrong?

[vagrant mountain]

you should print skelefish, unless you need the cards

[fathom lagoon]

Oofffff that means redoing all my prints

[vagrant mountain]

every account is different so, it's kind of subjective where to afk

[fathom lagoon]

Aight i think I’m good then w my setup

Gonna come back to a fat stack of ladles

Upped my daily count to 308, still got a long way to go lol

Goal is 1440, 1 ladle per minute

[manic rivet]

this ring kinda nice ngl

[green eagle]

it is a BiS ring yes

[manic rivet]

how is your cooking that good

i just have everyone sitting on div rn

do i put everyone on mantra

[green eagle]

i've encouraged him 5 times, how many more times should i until i risk it all

[bright vine]

Thanks you so much. I managed to get to the last one. Hope it doesn’t heal as the one before it.

[manic rivet]

excuse me how much multiplier

[green eagle]

that is subjective, it is decent cooking, but there is much better out there. you should work on the ladle stamp, that is the main source of ladles. then just cooking in general helps a lot as well as you reach breakpoints

[manic rivet]

i dont have the croissant for ladle stamp

[bright vine]

This worked wonders, thanks

[green eagle]

then get it 🧠

[manic rivet]

trying to

[paper sail]

Multitool stamp is huge too

[fathom lagoon]

It took a long time bro I’ve been in w5 for almost 2 months now

Unlocking all the meals really helped and ofc vman bone marrow lol

That shit is Goated

[manic rivet]

me with 22 ladles per day

[green eagle]

lol i love lava for all the bonuses he adds later that make the game trivial.

[fathom lagoon]

Ladles wise stamps and any other thing you can use to get efficiency is great like the cooking boots and 2 cooking rings, etc

[green eagle]

🍳

[paper sail]

I'm over 2200 per day now

[manic rivet]

i should get more chows soon only have 12

[fathom lagoon]

I only have 14 chows

[pliant kettle]

Am waiting for new pets if they ever come, those are op af

[fathom lagoon]

I need to do more as well

Maybe I’ll leave my BB afk in rift so he can chow while I’m gone for 4 days

[fathom lagoon]

Got the credit card ready?

[pliant kettle]

I have 5k green gems

And every pet

[sterile crescent]

Bless one of your friends with doot, if they dont already habe him

[pliant kettle]

I opened doot from the free roll

[sterile crescent]

Why do u have 5k gems?

Did u just buy the packs afterwards?

[green eagle]

slowly getting up there

[green eagle]

possibly bought more before they got them unlocked and rolled what they needed before spending them all. could also just be stockpiling for next companion drops

[pliant kettle]

I bought a bundle and one 4k gems bundle

[sterile crescent]

Jeah was just surprised by the amount, but the 4k gem pack makes sense

[hardy quarry]

Doot is the last one I'm waiting on, but I'm refusing to buy green gems outright. If it's in a pack with other stuff that seems more fair

But I bought a big pack of greens and got 100% beans from it. After that I said fuck that noise.

[rustic garnet]

does someone have a shimmer island cheat sheat for stats?

[little harbor]

I finally cleared rift 38. Now there are two 5M afk kills to go before construction mastery. I am at 1135 total building level. Should I pull everyone in for afk farm? Seems my best guys only do about 50k per hour.

[true obsidian]

one more...

[fathom lagoon]

😮‍💨

I’m pushing purple skull on all maps and then goin back to push for 100m each

Doot makes everything so much easier, can collectively farm deathnote w 10 chars if I wanted instead of having 6 locked in lab lol

[true obsidian]

that exactly what i do but lower, i push 100M first

[true obsidian]

well, if you at this stage, you shouldn't bother about 1B kill at all

it not doing much for you

[queen raft]

Is fractical island bugged? I get fishing agk gains only with candy, and nothing for leaving chars in town...

[vagrant mountain]

you actually did wood mush 👁️👄👁️

[true obsidian]

yep, by afk, not active or candy

[vagrant mountain]

I'm doing wmush absolutely last

[fathom lagoon]

Whatcha mean by that?

[true obsidian]

only boost 5% dmg multi, but since you still need 6 char at lab, that 5% is nothing

[vagrant mountain]

I will take 290% over 300% if it means saving 600 hrs of candy, could eclipse like 5 mobs in W2

[fathom lagoon]

Oh nah I’m saying since I have doot I don’t need 6 chars in the lab so I can have everyone farming deathnkte if I wanted

Instead of just 3-4 chars

[true obsidian]

i'm pretty much rich with candy, gonna save them for w3 and 4

[fast verge]

im broke 😔

[signal osprey]

Man I wish I had that much candy

Think of all the gmush

[vagrant mountain]

man how do you guys hold onto cosmic time candies for more than a day

imagine having self control

[true obsidian]

yeah...i'm not into gmush (for now)

[vagrant mountain]

couldnt be me, I'm a slave to my impulses

[paper sail]

I finished my 100k Plunder Quest and it got me over the 20x DR hump

[fathom lagoon]

I’m in between broke and rich

[signal osprey]

Same I literally ran out of candy the other day. Not even a single hour of candy in my stash

[true obsidian]

well, i have 6, used to have more but i use some for gmush, and it give bad result so i just leave them there

[paper sail]

I've never used above a 12hr candy

[true obsidian]

nah man, you rich

[fathom lagoon]

Woah steam candy

[fathom lagoon]

Only irl, not in idleon

[rustic garnet]

wish I had a steam candy to drop and pick up

[fathom lagoon]

Slabbity dab

[signal osprey]

[rustic garnet]

my 1 hr candies are piling up because (lazy)

[fathom lagoon]

I always think there’s better use for my candies so I never use them

[true obsidian]

the worst thing is i USED TO HAVE steam candies...

[paper sail]

Do the quest. It is guaranteed

[rustic garnet]

which quest?

[fathom lagoon]

Woah Halloween candy

[signal osprey]

The treasure hunts give steam candy

[true obsidian]

still keep it

[rustic garnet]

?

This one aye?

[paper sail]

If only there was a website with near encyclopedic knowledge

[signal osprey]

Yeah I guess you lost it without slabbing. Rip

Surely we'll get more one day

[rustic garnet]

Just one of the various '11th char slot redo' things

[bright vine]

I used the last candy the other day, got 15 days. Instantly maxed genie card

[signal osprey]

Treasure hunt is account wide so not even an 11th will help

[rustic garnet]

why no Scoli?

ah

[vagrant mountain]

typical iOS user

[rustic garnet]

just one off

my guess is he'll put it on some event at some point

[true obsidian]

hehe :)))

[rustic garnet]

34 out of these are... not reasonable to get

[paper sail]

Yondergreen 🤢

[true obsidian]

glad to see everyone hate w3 trophy quest like me!! Yay, i'm not the only one.

[rustic garnet]

You'll notice -- I've not dropped ANY nightmare cape from anything W2 onward

I'm up to 17k keys spent on W5

It's only the 4:20 afk time that sucks

[signal osprey]

Took me 27k for my first

[paper sail]

70 a pop?

[rustic garnet]

yeah 70 per

[vagrant mountain]

damn wtf I got 2 capes in 12k keys

[paper sail]

24.7k for my first. 353 runs

[sacred verge]

took me 140 keys to drop w5 wings

[daring ravine]

me getting a second maestro because i forgot to slab pete

[rustic garnet]

no doot, no cape

[true obsidian]

some of this really sad

[vagrant mountain]

in 12k keys, I got 2 capes and 5 scarves

[rustic garnet]

You've got some incredibly lazy options on that list

like 3 click options, no effort

[frozen prairie]

wait treasure hunt is account wide?

[daring ravine]

how havent you slabbed pocket sand is beyond me

[true obsidian]

like what? i really don't know

[rotund sand]

Is it worth it to keep any of this stuff?

[true obsidian]

that pocket sand belong to dungeon, not normal item

[daring ravine]

ah

[true obsidian]

and i really play w2 dungeon 3 times, just for the achievement

[glacial venture]

didnt even do 1 w2 dungeon so far^^

[untold saffron]

imagine absent mindedly handing in 20k bullseye statues instead of dropping them, couldn't be me

[rustic garnet]

These should be cake walks

[glacial venture]

could be worse...could be w3 statues...

[true obsidian]

ah right, Lava lower the price...forgot about it

but what are these?

[paper sail]

Highlighting w4 dna but not the w4 splicer

[glacial venture]

the pops should be easy too

[rustic garnet]

And medium effort

[true obsidian]

well...this is my w4 pet

[rustic garnet]

yeah I was getting there :p

[true obsidian]

wait, what? i didn't know we have this...

wow

i just discover whole new thing in this game

[rustic garnet]

as I said

you were slacking hard on the red ones

willful choices to avoid them almost :p

[signal osprey]

Not sure why you didnt circle the red boaty too. Just get it 🤷‍♂️

[rustic garnet]

is red boaty not hard?

arcade aye?

[signal osprey]

Boaty is awful its complete rng lol

I dont have one

[rustic garnet]

yeah stamps and boat

bleh

TIME FOR RANDOM

[true obsidian]

feel good to know that you not include w3 quest item as easy/medium effort

[paper sail]

Such bros

[rustic garnet]

theya re low/medium effort

I just know you didn't want to do them

I got one of these two!

[little harbor]

I finally cleared rift 38. Now there are two 5M afk kills to go before construction mastery. I am at 1135 total building level. Should I pull everyone in for afk farm? Seems my best guys only do about 50k per hour. So takes maybe a week all in.

[rustic garnet]

!!! actually needed too

[rustic garnet]

no

legit, there is no point if you are that low and just barely cleared 38

My guess is you're way far away from the next rift tier and 5m is fine to go a bit slower

put 2 guys in 100k, 50 hours (2 days) and live with it

and consider this as an idea, your BB may want to do 100M kills for super chow

shrug think about it before it gets too hard/painful

[little harbor]

Hmm…. Bb does 65k kills. That means 64 days of afk farming there.

[glacial venture]

how you get 64 days?

ah youmean for 100m

[fossil urchin]

i mean that's what i did. was getting around the same, lowest was only 20k lol
it only took 2 days for each 5m afk with most characters in there
100% won't be able to push ruby cards, unfortunately, but it won't take that long at all to get construction mastery
i think it was worth it, but ymmv i guess

[glacial venture]

dont they all count into 1 ?

[gentle anchor]

round 221 with all 6 pets and 2.6m ratler stacks and 26Ok badum

[glacial venture]

dont all rift mobs count together for super chow?

you dont have the pet that transforms attacks into skulls it seems

otherwise it would look different^^

[gentle anchor]

i think i dont

[keen scarab]

I think that's Alchemic? Could be wrong.

[glacial venture]

dont really remember but i think it is

[keen scarab]

I just got the Whale yesterday and jumped from 50 top round to 126. Crazy.

[sacred verge]

how are you able to read 2.6 mill rattle stacks? lol

[gentle anchor]

bc i know its more than 26Ok

and i was doing 5OOT dmg a sec

[lusty wedge]

I messed up and got to wave 110 or so (was trying to get 125 for 6 slots) and didnt turn on optimization. Crashed the app on my phone. Now i have to wait for tomorrow..

[twin token]

Would it be worth to level hyperswift for more statues or no

I have level 1 so it's not hit by nblb

[fathom lagoon]

Try to do it on web, almost always crashes on phone or tablet

[sacred verge]

going for 200 arena on phone, wow. that must be painfull

[rustic garnet]

you should check out which bubbles can be hit by NBLB

[bright vine]

I’m on the last pet fight area with rattler, mono, ref, def, ref but my first ref died after 3 min, should I restart? It’s been about 10m and I still have 4 pets

[twin token]

Wdym

[rustic garnet]

You are not going to like this knowledge

[twin token]

I have atom collider so bubbles past 15 get hit btw

If that's what ur trying to say

[rustic garnet]

It's absolutely not worth the 15% chance to level up the lowest bubble out of all bubbles

[signal osprey]

Its possible to do it with 1 refiller depending on rng. I'd just play it out

[bright vine]

I tried for 125 for the past week. Maybe 20 tries total, all crashed within waves 110-120

[twin token]

What isn't worth?

[signal osprey]

The hardest part is the first 2 waves and you're past that already. No point in stopping yet unless you're confident youre going to lose

[rustic garnet]

holding back your 16+ bubbles to 'not be hit by the NBLB 15% chance'

[bright vine]

Thx, because I finished the last one with just one refiller, but it had 10b rather than 64b hp

[twin token]

It's level 1 bc I haven't printed Manta rays

[glacial venture]

wtf....3 troll obols in 1 fight...troll wants to troll me....

[twin token]

Not bc of atoms

[rustic garnet]

ok.... you can just afk some mantas too

[bright vine]

Troll gets affected by dk’s orb?

[rustic garnet]

but why are you wondering about statues for hyperswift?

[twin token]

Mor speed means more orb

[rustic garnet]

ok, well, it's a good thing to have in general

I wouldn't hold it up for NBLB

get some mantas

[paper sail]

Might already be capped on atk speed honestly

[twin token]

I just told u that's not why in doing it

[rustic garnet]

could be

[signal osprey]

Nobody is attack speed capped for active

The threshold is very high

[rustic garnet]

cool, thought so too

[signal osprey]

You would have to actively go out of your way for it and even then I dont know if it can be done

Maybe on vman with the turbo gloves

[twin token]

What level cabbage/hyperswift would u need?

[signal osprey]

To cap attack speed you would need them maxed and even then I dont know if its enough

[twin token]

Hm ok

[signal osprey]

Attack speed can scale very high

[twin token]

Those are the only 2 variables really right

All the other stuff are like either u have it or dont

[daring ravine]

whats cabbage/hypwersfit
no understand

[twin token]

Atk speed bonuses

[daring ravine]

wahr

[twin token]

Hyperswift is a Bubble and cabbage is a meal

[paper sail]

Cauliflower, not cabbage

[twin token]

Oh yeah mb

[daring ravine]

what i thought

yeah uhh
Where do you get both

[twin token]

^

[daring ravine]

i mean like
what cauldron and bubble number
what spices

[vagrant mountain]

[twin token]

Hyperswift is mage Bubble 19

[paper sail]

The Wiki knows

[signal osprey]

The wiki knows all

[vagrant mountain]

why ask wiki when you can bother randoms on discord

[twin token]

I'm not bothered

[signal osprey]

Except for why you have a skill issue. Not even the wiki can answer that

[daring ravine]

exactly

[paper sail]

Do you know where that dang attack speed chart went? I swear it was pinned somewhere but I can't find it now

[signal osprey]

Uh I can check to see if I have it copied but I don't think I do

[paper sail]

I felt like I had looked at it and decided I was basically already capped so never bothered that bubble

[teal lynx]

GODDAMN

[daring ravine]

MAN

[signal osprey]

Well in practice scaling attack speed doesnt actually do a whole lot

[rough wasp]

WTF

[signal osprey]

Being capped is more of a meme goal than a useful one

[rough wasp]

can you loan me that nugget

[paper sail]

Maybe I was assuming different math

[signal osprey]

And thats just for active. For afk its even less useful

It helps reach kill cap but so does move speed and that will do all the heavy lifting with our current inflated stats

[paper sail]

Found it. Attack Speed Chart

[signal osprey]

We would need a massive buff to mob respawn % to make attack speed useful again while afk

[paper sail]

With a spear speed of 8, that's saying only 100% needed to reach cap of 13

I assumed bubble + meal, for me would be 25 + 70 = 95% = basically capped

[signal osprey]

Yeah I guess vman plus kruk weapons changed it up a lot

[paper sail]

Yeah 10 for Kruk Gloves isn't even on there lol

Kruk Bow is 9, so even easier to cap than the spear. But nobody cares about active archers

[signal osprey]

So now attack speed has joined the ranks of dead stats 🫡

Except for bubo with his little 6 speed gloves

[paper sail]

Hyperswift is small purple

[signal osprey]

True

My bubo is at 155% if you count that

Attack speed is dead 🫡

[paper sail]

Yeah that's what I had thought

....so to answer that person's question, attack speed bubble still helpful until ~25% (level 150) but not like amazing lol

[clear quartz]

i wondered about attack speed, duly noted

[rustic garnet]

still worth putting points into the bubble

[paper sail]

Yup

[signal osprey]

Yeah its not useless just underwhelming

[old portal]

should i spend them all now even without the 100m chow for cooking speed?

[rustic garnet]

none?

[clear quartz]

ive mostly let it pasively ge thit by nblb, but maybe ill manually spend some, maybe give me a reason to print more of those fish i guess

[paper sail]

I took Mantas off my sample list now due to seasalt island

[errant sluice]

you should spend them lvl by level so vman cooking speed gets more 🙂

[fervent brook]

Yes becuase of Vman skill

[fathom lagoon]

Yes on turkey

[old portal]

yeah thats my plan but i dopnt have super chows on bb

[paper sail]

Jellyfish and Mantas both bit the bullet

[rustic garnet]

are people really relying on the 15% NBLB for attack speed???

that seems super weird/low

[paper sail]

Printing 1b mantas is so slow

[clear quartz]

its hard for me to keep up on all the things i need to for my bubbles, i think overall my alch is very far behind considering i started playing in january

[glacial venture]

hm...somehow im missing a quest in w4...is there an overview of all quests in w4?

or one notorious quest that might be missing?

[rustic garnet]

IE has all Qs...

[paper sail]

https://idleontoolbox.com/account/quests

IE doesn't have either of the new w4 NPCs

[rustic garnet]

oh the 2 new ones ok

[fervent brook]

is NBLB basically required to atom OJ bubble? Pretty wierd that is the only really terrible bubble to level in that set.

[untold saffron]

its required to atom quite a few

[signal osprey]

If its any consolation the bubble is bad anyway so you dont really need to level it

[rustic garnet]

this one is terrible/impssobiel without NBLB I think

and very very good

[paper sail]

😭 You be nice to my son

[signal osprey]

Most bubbles suffer from diminishing returns and the stat per slab bubbles are no exception

[glacial venture]

old npcs are ok too..im done with monolith and missing 1 quest for second to last quest for royal wurm

[signal osprey]

You reach a point where you get less stat per level in the slab bubble than you would get from a level in bubble 1

And that point doesnt even take long to reach

[clear quartz]

aside from still hoping to eventually find a good time to start getting isle of note unocked, im mostly focusing on pushing stuff to get better sampling, but yeah, a lot needs a lot of work

[paper sail]

What else am I going to spend bargain tags on?

[signal osprey]

What are those?

[rustic garnet]

it's actually pretty fast

[signal osprey]

I know of atoms, hourly clicks, and nblb

[paper sail]

A relic from the old times

[signal osprey]

Not sure what these bargain tags have to do with alchemy

[fervent brook]

I have all 15 initial bubbles to level 200+

[glacial venture]

once you hit all bubbles to atom lvl you forget what bargain tags are^^

[pearl cedar]

Do bargain tags reduce water reqs? Lol

[signal osprey]

I would love to buy bargain tags to lower my liquid 1 cost

[fast grail]

Liquid 1 is pain

Really need something that gives use either an immense increase to cap, or to lower liquid cost

[paper sail]

Not quite, but almost lol. Not much point in spending 4k atoms to level a bubble if I could bargain tag it down to 300

[ocean fox]

When should I start going for eclipse skull on all of blunder hill? When I start gmushing or when my kph gets to a certain point

[fervent brook]

When are we getting thrid Premium Cauldron anway?

[paper sail]

Up to personal preference / candy storage, but I started around 2m kph

[gentle anchor]

should i get troll helmet or keep chizoar?

[sick sentinel]

troll builds in to the next armor so def troll

[sacred verge]

for sampling is it best to use trophy doubler and IS trophy? or are there better options for chips

[eager sedge]

U want troll in the long run for every1

[little harbor]

Is there somewhere on IE or in game that shows your super chow?

[signal osprey]

IS and doubler is a must

[eager sedge]

U want 2 card doublers pendant,starsign,trophy and skilling afk gains

Pretty sure that s all

[signal osprey]

Keychain doubler too

[paper sail]

IT is better for Super CHOWs specifically. In-game is total only. IE doesn't show super chows at all.
https://idleontoolbox.com/account/apocalypses

[eager sedge]

oh yeah

[signal osprey]

You use all 6 doubler and afk gains

[eager sedge]

Forgot abt keychains

[sacred verge]

looks like i got some chip gamba to do then, still no trophy doubler for me

[eager sedge]

Yep need to get working on em too

[sacred verge]

do we have the sheet showing rotations in chip shop?

[eager sedge]

U can check toolbox

there are the rotations for every week

[glacial venture]

wtf is that....all quests are green in it in w4...except for the royal wurm quest where it says 21/22....

[ocean fox]

Sheesh you spent 500 candy on each mob?

[fervent brook]

I think we have a couple more shitty rotations before next good chip lol

[eager sedge]

Pretty sure next actual gud chips are in november

[old portal]

is super chow big for cooking speed?

[eager sedge]

Yes

Hold up

[bright vine]

Zow?

[eager sedge]

yes

[sacred verge]

30/11/2023 ofc

[old portal]

aight ill stop using laddles for now most meals at 40 already

[sacred verge]

damn

[eager sedge]

That helps with damage

[glacial venture]

each super chow is its own multiplier, right?

[eager sedge]

nice

Im at QQ rn but no fluoride

[rough wasp]

Sheesh

[eager sedge]

Should get into atleast QQQ with fluoride

[old portal]

whats fluoride

o void chef

[eager sedge]

Atom collider upgrade offers cooking speed for every lvl over 30 on a meal

[fervent brook]

Atom upgrade

[eager sedge]

my highest meal is lvl 36 folowed by first page that s around 31-32 and second page almost full 30

[old portal]

just thinking when should i start doing super chow and the last skull for DN i just dont have enough damage atm

what damage is good to start pushing for DN?

[eager sedge]

so not doing too shabby

[rustic garnet]

does food trophy make sense for some sampling still?

[eager sedge]

for the ecplise skull? U need 1B kills so 25-20M should be a good range of kph

15-20*

[eager sedge]

Yes

U can snapshot

[rustic garnet]

you can snapshot?

[paper sail]

So tiny

[old portal]

yeah but talking about damage

[rustic garnet]

are you talking about mana / health snapping?

[signal osprey]

I have never once in my life heard of snap shotting the food trophy

[old portal]

what sweet spot for damage

[eager sedge]

If u can get the kph does the damage rlly matter?

[eager sedge]

U can snapshot health witj kof pretty sure

[old portal]

i wont really look for kph from time to time since iam going to only do it when i get massive damage boosts

[eager sedge]

with*

[signal osprey]

Well yeah but thats for the hp snap not a food effect snap

[old portal]

++ is it possible to get 15m kph now? what sources are big for those

[eager sedge]

damage isn t rlly an accurate way to say when since u wanna do it when u have good kph

[signal osprey]

The biggest benefit to the food trophy for sampling would be for skilling speed and thats additive with feasty so its worthless

[paper sail]

My KoF just sits on the ES for Souls

[old portal]

heres my stats as a base iam not even near 1m kph for my ES

[signal osprey]

Honestly its kind of up in the air whether or not KoF is even better than IS for worship at this point with how inflated feasty is

[eager sedge]

.

[fast grail]

Super low afk %

[signal osprey]

It might just be a dead trophy now

[old portal]

ik SB should be pushing but my SB is only at 2m kph last time i check

[eager sedge]

yeah man don t even think abt ecplipsing

[barren otter]

do i just start the IS trophy now...

i hate that it takes 20+ days to do it

[clear quartz]

eclipse feels so far away, have a few lava skulls but they were pain

[paper sail]

20+? Ha, took me 3 months

[rustic garnet]

20+ days because you don't get a boost till that long?

[eager sedge]

20+ ha took me a week

[signal osprey]

I mean it does take awhile but a lot of it is just idle though

[clear quartz]

im so glad i finished up that trophy, was pretty awful yeah

[old portal]

aight i guess eclipse wont be a goal for now

[rustic garnet]

oh right

to beat idle skilling

[barren otter]

yea the trophy is all that matters really

[rustic garnet]

I smashed that ages ago when they put out the afterlife patch

and it absolutely broke the game

[old portal]

also i feel like my MK is really low any good sources for MK?

[clear quartz]

yeah realm/lab/spelunking broke a fair bit

[glacial venture]

this bugs me alot....quest says im missing 1 quest in w4 but all quests are green in IT except for the quest that asks me to get 22 quests.....

[paper sail]

Dumb, but does a gem shop / map reload / character swap work?

[glacial venture]

i already cloud saved and even restarted game

[rustic garnet]

😕

guess I gotta pop other duders first

[gentle anchor]

how long will it take for eggshell to lay an egg?

[paper sail]

I've been ignoring my charge I don't wanna

[old portal]

my ES been catching up lately to my vman sadge

[hollow osprey]

could anyone take a look on my IE and give me something like a to do list? e.g like idk 1. get fmj to 50, 2. get ....

[glacial venture]

grrrr.... i hate royal wurm....once i entered r. wurm map quest refreshed....

[old portal]

just finished doing mine

[hollow osprey]

would appreciate that

[paper sail]

If everyone already has 70+ for best skulls, don't stress it any longer. The amount of extra efficiency you get from Right Hand is insanely low Costs you more souls to maintain than it gives.

[old portal]

time to start green stacking

[old portal]

aight thanks

[hollow wasp]

idk how long i wanna save up these balls

[fathom lagoon]

10k or bust

[paper sail]

Like you still WANT big Worship levels on Vman because of Epoch Species, but you shouldn't avoid souls you need on the ES just because they happen to give high exp

[glacial venture]

greenstack them^^

[fervent brook]

I am getting everyone to level 100 then I am just using ES after that.

[hollow wasp]

10k? hmmm takes a while but why not

[paper sail]

Don't ignore your Vman's worship levels

[old portal]

whats epoch species

[old portal]

i need to also get more waves aswell with my new allmost all towers to 50+

[fervent brook]

Yep was still going to use Vman to worpship. Since I got all the bag upgrades for everyone getting to level 100 should not be a complete pain in the ass when worshiping.

[paper sail]

You know about the auto-loot trick for worship?

[old portal]

this is SOOOOOO HELPFULL

[paper sail]

Saves me literal minutes. MINUTES!

[old portal]

i just did it first time today and holy its good

[glacial venture]

auto loot trick?

[paper sail]

1. Turn off auto-loot
2. Worship at MSA
3. Go down to chest
4. Turn auto-loot back on
5. open storage and start spam clicking deposit all
6. Usually like 80% or more of the souls up top will end up getting deposited over 5-10 seconds. Saves you from running up and down 30 times

[old portal]

btw how to know what are my MSA bonuses?

[fast grail]

Click totem in w3 town

[old portal]

i mean what are the available bonuses on it

i have 3 unlocked bonuses atm

[glacial venture]

ah....got the open chest anywhere pet...so dont need it

[fast grail]

Ah, all from super bits in gaming

Just have to look there

[old portal]

aight thanks IE doesnt show bonuses yet but thanks

[zealous niche]

Wish I knew that earlier

[paper sail]

You can do the same thing there. The point is that if you leave auto-loot on the whole time, it only tries to loot each pile of souls once. If you are full when it tries, you have to still pick it up manually later. This trick lets you get all the souls out before it starts trying to auto-loot

[old portal]

am i missing any good prayer for active ES?

for green stacking

[fervent brook]

I almost have enough Nullo Salt to upgrade to final Trap. Got final skull already.

[paper sail]

Rucksack instead of Zerg 💯

[old portal]

i dont have rucksack yet too lazy to do TD rn

[paper sail]

k well at least take off Zerg lol

[old portal]

but yeah should remove this when i go active for long

[paper sail]

You're hurting your carry cap for no reason

[glacial venture]

what map in w4 is best if i just want crystals?

[paper sail]

DK on Clammies, assuming you want Statues from those crystals

[glacial venture]

want me to greenstack pearlers it seems^^

[paper sail]

GL

[old portal]

should i start getting the godranks? considering most of my chars at lvl 70+ div and gets decent multi gains already

i havent think of getting GOD ranks at all

is it good damage boosts atleast?

[paper sail]

Currently no real point to it 🤷 Just future proofing at the cost of current progress

[old portal]

talking about the ES talent

or really not worth

[sacred monolith]

Once all onyx statues are unlocked, is there any reason to stockpile statues, except Powers for the quest?

[paper sail]

No, the talent sucks ass

[glacial venture]

not worth

[old portal]

aight thanks nvm that then

[zealous niche]

Not that we know of

[glacial venture]

cost way too high for basicly no gain

[old portal]

iam happy to stop at the flutterbis since the other 2 gods doesnt give much or is the upgrade for those worth?

how about this 2

[glacial venture]

should still unlock all gods

[old portal]

aight ill do that then

[glacial venture]

if only for the achievement

[paper sail]

Blessing bonuses are still okay 🥲

[fervent brook]

The Sailing Speed bonus is good to have.

Yeah I got to just God Rank 1 and stopped.

[old portal]

aight ill put all chars to div for now

[paper sail]

Bagur's sailing bonus is real tiny for some reason 🙄

[glacial venture]

dont they all add up?

[bright vine]

He is compensating for it with something else

[glacial venture]

so...dimishing return?

[paper sail]

No, they're just in separate groupings

Bagur must be lumped in additively with something else that is already a big source

so 1% more on Bagur gives much less improvement than 1% more on Purrmep 🤷

[zealous niche]

Bagur hasn’t eaten enough mushrooms before finding the snake

[signal osprey]

I almost dont want to level it anymore because its perfect

[paper sail]

I left mine at 10k for a few months, then sleepily leveled it one morning.. now it is ruined

[hollow osprey]

damnn that's high

[signal osprey]

I think I'll use the perfect 10k as an excuse to stop

Because honestly I'd rather just play DK anyway

[hollow osprey]

@signal osprey could i dm you?

[paper sail]

What if I flaunt my higher level at you?

[signal osprey]

Everyone else does

[fervent brook]

Lol

[signal osprey]

I kneel 🧎‍♂️

[paper sail]

Level 1-50 should be 125 Divinity Pearls each. You could hypertrain 21 total skills from 1-50 with those alone

[bright vine]

Nice

Cooking if you haven’t yet

[fervent brook]

The humming bird by itself was not that great but with doot its giong to be pretty useful when next character is unlocked.

[bright vine]

20k rattler stacks, boss still heals to full:[ this is gonna take some time

[paper sail]

Next multiple characters.. There aren't even 21 skills it can be used on rn lol

[fast grail]

The same happened to me a few days ago

[paper sail]

Which side of rounding would you prefer

[rustic garnet]

isn't rando 1 per day?

[old portal]

Are those bribes good?

[paper sail]

You're asking the guy posting the picture showing not being able to buy the bribes if the bribes are good?

[old portal]

Iam asking cuz ik people know what are they but i dont

[paper sail]

I've heard they're okay, not great 🤷 I don't have them lol

[bright vine]

Why can’t you buy with 135

[fervent brook]

I heard the trash bribe for random events is not great.

[bold quiver]

horrible

[signal osprey]

Best bribe is random events can drop trash

[bold quiver]

u will kill a random event and have a shot at getting either 1 or 2 trash

[signal osprey]

Its okay if you wanna complete trash island as fast as possible but not that great overall

[old portal]

How about the stamps? Are those any good

[bold quiver]

i'd rather spent 135 garbage on everything else first

then get 135 before the 1500 grind

[rustic garnet]

nothing else is of high value anyway

it doesn't matter

[bold quiver]

arent the stamps good?

i only have the first one, it seems decent "havent checked"

but its not like we need fish eff also

[rustic garnet]

good is a way over shoot of what they are

[paper sail]

The last 2 are okay. The sample rate is pretty meh because 90% cap was already easy to reach. Fishing eff is just There but again not great

[bold quiver]

cant u get to 90% without royal sampler if u use that?

[paper sail]

But we're moving closer to maybe not requiring Royal Sampler one day

[rustic garnet]

Has IE develpment been stopped?

[paper sail]

Hm. Sludger posted in his discord this morning, so he's still around..

[bright vine]

23k rattler stacks, boss doesn’t heal to full anymore, yay

Smooth sailing from here

[rustic garnet]

so, what I can tell: You will get about 80 to 90 'all stats' 12-13% DR from golden sixes, .13% eff per fish, and 3~% sampling size

golden sixes, to me, is the only 'good' one of the bunch here

the rest are just 'ok'

3% sampling size isn't going to replace golden sampler

(those are base numbers) not applied boosts

they are all 'fine'

is royal samplier actually noticeable in exp?

or does the massive exp% boosts we have nullify any pain?

[paper sail]

It is ~~additive ~~ substractive, very tiny

[signal lava]

is the all stat before or after multipliers?

[paper sail]

Like I lose 0.6x, so it is dropping me to 45.47x instead of 46.07x Class EXP. If you have any levels in Grind Time, class exp is taken care of.

[coral goblet]

is there a reason to push rift after you get ruby and all shiny pets unlocked

[paper sail]

Lets you get whatever bonus is added next faster 🤷

You either unlock 47-50 now, or later when 51 has a bonus.

[rustic garnet]

there is a reason to not push

if you want to super chow rift

[fast grail]

If you can multikill 47, 50 isn’t too much harder. Might as well prepare. Rift isn’t too bad since it’s fairly easy to get over 1m/hr. Without multikill tiers

[rustic garnet]

This is indeed pointless if you're over 200% right?

[fading cape]

yea absolutely.

[rustic garnet]

it's far higher, you will lose at least 1 tier going 47 to 50

I made the mistake you are suggesting others do

and I pushed i before rifting and it took way longer

Remember this is on BB

[fast grail]

? I did the same. It’s just meh. Sure you will lose a tier. I did it with no tiers at 50

[rustic garnet]

ok, and you got 1 mill/hour?

That's far more than I'd expect someone who's just got into 46 now

I'd bet 100k/hour

you get crushed fast in rift

[fast grail]

Maybe, idk not sure how it is now.

[rustic garnet]

you could over double the time it takes going up just 1 rift, quite easily

nothing to do right now -- might as well super chow

while its faster

my guess is the only thing in rift holding you back is that 51 isn't open

[fast grail]

My BB had less than 500b damage when doing 1m kph at rift 50

[rustic garnet]

you're not rift capped yet

the rift, when you are not high enough damage, is a MASSIVELY different experience

50 Rift Hivemind Idle.gif Rift Hivemind 50.9 T

46 Lampar Idle.gif Lampar 13.6 T

doing rift 46 is the sweet spot as you get the reward

[fast grail]

The thing is, is that by the time you should be worry about super chowing rift, you would have at minimum had to super chow up to and through w4

[rustic garnet]

why?

w4 is free with candy

[fast grail]

And when people have that, they have a semi-ok account

[rustic garnet]

and way lower HP

Monster Stats
Crystal Stats
Attack
Health
10 k
20 M

very much not comparable

Tremor Wurm
Idle
Walking
Death
Idle
Information
Monster Stats
Crystal Stats
Attack
Health
200 k
1.5 B

rift 50 is 500 times the HP as tremor wurms

(even less, that is crystal worm stats)

[mighty galleon]

when statue farming with ES (in world 3) can i neglect crystal spawn chance and only focus on dr?

[fast grail]

Yeah I understand that, I just say that if people are struggling that much with super chows, they probably shouldn’t going for them in the first place

[rustic garnet]

yes

[rustic garnet]

ok... But why make it even harder?

W1-W4 can be done with a trivial amount of candy

W5 and Rift are the only ones you need to AFK for

[fast grail]

That’s up to the person. Leave BB on rift and stall progress, or continue with rift. Half depends on account, other with what they want to do

[rustic garnet]

But you aren't progressing the rift

you're 'prepping it for a future expansion'

and it's not even saving that much time

if you can do it, you can do it easily and quick

and if you can't, you can't

right?

[fast grail]

Pretty much yep

[rustic garnet]

progressing to higher rifts is trivial and easy

(or impossible)

there may be a short period where a few things are 'on the cusp'

[fast grail]

Goes for all super chows, as well, but people just waste candy for that as well when they gain trivial gains from it

[rustic garnet]

Like th ehealing mobs may be just doable

[mighty galleon]

is there an easy way of doing the lava skull rift tasks?

[rustic garnet]

no it does not....

[mighty galleon]

2 lava skulls*

[rustic garnet]

Super Chows are anything but trivial

they explode your cooking progress

[rustic garnet]

certain classes are better at it, like ES, SB

DKs are bad at it as they need to clear the entire map to respawn

you want to 'leave some up so they can get some skulls stacked'

[mighty galleon]

can i just let them actve for a while?

[fast grail]

Ehhhh, compared to other bonuses l, not really. At most you are getting like 500-700x. Look at vman bonuses as comparison. Many more digits even at lower account levels that still have ok cooking levels

[rustic garnet]

CaMp, regardless, unless you are suggesting you shouldn't bother with Super Chow, it's very good, and pushing rift from 46 to 50 is nearly entirely pointless and just slows your last super chow down

[mighty galleon]

btw is 1500 laddles a day good or bad?

[rustic garnet]

I'm done discussing, if you want to proffer advice that can screw someone out of a month of AFK time, and feel ok about that sorta thing, all yours :p

[rustic garnet]

honestly, I don't know anymore

[paper sail]

It's okay

[mighty galleon]

sometimes i also get double the amount

[paper sail]

I'm around 2300 per day

[rustic garnet]

If you gave me that advice, I'd legit be upset at you if I followed it

[mighty galleon]

what would be considered good?

[rustic garnet]

2300 😄

[paper sail]

2301

[sacred verge]

is there any possibility that midas might be worth it for ES active statue farm?

[rustic garnet]

nope

[sacred verge]

ahh alright

was worth the shot 😛

[mighty galleon]

you kill less

[rustic garnet]

you want to push that worm hole as high as you can

you may even get a bigger reward by taking damage over DR

but I don't know

[sacred verge]

hmm

[rustic garnet]

the highest wurmholes are by far the best droppers

[paper sail]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1097854304469127288 Good luck

[rustic garnet]

hahah

that looks fun 😄

but that's basically the disco above, with an excel

crystals add nothing to your farm, if anything, they may reduce it slightly (for the ones you are targeting)

and as ES doesn't get a boost to DR to cyrstals, you get shit crystals from the W3 crystal spawn

(which are W1 statues)

[paper sail]

Who said anything about crystals?

[rustic garnet]

Daln

[barren otter]

2600

[rustic garnet]

Someone asked about crystals too?

I must have imagined that sorry :p

https://tenor.com/view/petty-parker-smoke-snoop-dogg-homer-simpson-disappear-gif-17093677

[sacred verge]

lol

[rustic garnet]

I wasn't imaging it 😄 it was just someone else

https://tenor.com/view/huzzah-frazzled-gif-5544331

so I think I get why W1 is best, it's almost entirely feasty, isn't it?

[barren otter]

yes

no

chopping and mining statues

[rustic garnet]

pick/chop is good too

but feasty is incredible

[barren otter]

you get better feasty rates in W3

[rustic garnet]

ahhhhh

hmmmm ok, so just the full combo of feasty/pick/chop?

[barren otter]

well full combo of those 3 + base dmg and move speed

so yea hard to beat that

[rustic garnet]

fair

[barren otter]

gotta flex your chopping statue lvl

[rustic garnet]

I'll do it myself 😄

[barren otter]

same

[rustic garnet]

Should I focus any of the other ones before pushing W1?

[barren otter]

i personally dont give a fuck about any of the other statues

[fast grail]

W1 is also good because of the golden peanut progress and golden sandwiches for stamp

[pure ember]

Power

[barren otter]

im already at the point where it takes too long to get 1% more out of golden peanuts

[fast grail]

But gains are gains, don’t stop until they are green stacked

[dreamy rapids]

Any advice for getting 20K fishing statues

[paper sail]

Those chopping leaaaaaaaves bro

[barren otter]

takes so long to make them...

[dreamy rapids]

50K do be nutty

[barren otter]

its

[zealous niche]

Why are they not greenstacked

[barren otter]

lava please

add craft all option

[dreamy rapids]

Oh how awsome would that be

[paper sail]

At least inventory crafting them isn't nearly as miserable as it used to be

[sharp igloo]

Where do you see this? I dont see a statue section on IE or toolbox