lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[signal osprey]

Its still the best damage source in the game for every class by far

[cerulean hemlock]

Comparing to the other 2 damage bubbles?

[granite grove]

even if Archer benefits the most, all other class also benefits from it the most compared to other 2 bubble too because movespeed doesn't suffer from log scaling and easy to get high MS

[signal osprey]

It takes longer to outscale the other ones for other classes but it will outscale them if you just keep pushing it

[cerulean hemlock]

Ah

[vagrant mountain]

I forget, is the movespeed scaling linear or quadratic?

[granite grove]

linear

[signal osprey]

Technically both

All 3 bubbles have two scaling components

[cerulean hemlock]

I just remember, as a wizard (w2 endgamers) I picked to level MAna I guess XD

[signal osprey]

The component that scales with bubble level is quadratic for all 3 of them

[vagrant mountain]

ahhh

[signal osprey]

The component that scales based on hp/mp/speed is log based for hp/mp and linear for move speed

[granite grove]

bubble calculation is quadratic, HP MP scaling is log, and MS scaling is linear

[signal osprey]

Which is why quick slap scales harder

[vagrant mountain]

that makes sense

[paper sail]

Even as a Mage, it's still not great. 1k Name I Guess is giving 61,440 base damage. Basically half that level, 533 Quick Slap is giving me 52,307 base damage.

[granite grove]

tho the fun part with MS scaling with bubble dmg from what i heard is (MS-110)*4

[cerulean hemlock]

Yeah

[green eagle]

don't forget to drop the talent that reduces dmg for DR from jman tree too

[true obsidian]

i don't use it in dmg build

[cerulean hemlock]

But note that gold IS a tad more easy to print

[granite grove]

name i guess only gets a pass because its clickable hourly

[cerulean hemlock]

So, for the base damage, quick slap is the best

[signal osprey]

To put it in perspective. 260% movespeed is equivalent to 1m mana for the purpose of quick slap vs name I guess

[green eagle]

was just making sure. what are your skill levels? i feel like you aren't showing us something

[cerulean hemlock]

but if you want a tad more damage quickly it's mana I guess

[signal osprey]

410% move speed is double the scaling of 1m mana

[cerulean hemlock]

Mhmm

[grizzled elk]

yeah theres something huge hes missing

[signal osprey]

710% move speed gives 4x more than 1m mana lol

[cerulean hemlock]

OG? 😮

[signal osprey]

It gets out of hand pretty fast

[grizzled elk]

got a weapon equipped? lol

[granite grove]

boost food% best damage stat

[true obsidian]

this is useless since 90% is max sampling size right?

[cerulean hemlock]

No pun intended 😉

[granite grove]

yes

[cerulean hemlock]

The good times 😉

[granite grove]

altho it would help to push sample 90% without the prayer, idk if its possible at yet or close

[true obsidian]

well, good for total stamp lv

[vagrant mountain]

you can probably take off royal Sampler on your DKs with that

[signal osprey]

Dropping prayer is possible now with that stamp

[green eagle]

and what is the level of the talent for skill levels? because your dmg right now is lower than my vman's skilling dmg

[cerulean hemlock]

Stamp mastery and levels for w1 merit task if you didn't complete it Ig

[signal osprey]

On DK its relatively doable. On non DK its possible in theory but very difficult

You have to max every possible sample size bonus basically

[green eagle]

you can actually take it off on some others i believe if you max out for it.

[cerulean hemlock]

I remember thinking crystal giants existed.

Now they do. and i'm happy.

I can breathe in peace

[granite grove]

if lava changes the prayer to apply sample rate % bonus after capping, but then lava might also change subtractive to sub-1 multiplicative exp penalty

[finite sparrow]

Is there a guide on how to get higher book levels?

I know about blue salt upgrade.. nothing else

[cerulean hemlock]

Griffy's yt guide but..... I mean there's also W3 merits

[true obsidian]

w3 cons...20 book = 1 book max lv

[cerulean hemlock]

Aritifacts

Slug

What else?

[paper sail]

Talent levels
Actual book levels
125 base upon unlocking the Talent Library in W3 Construction
+10 from W3 Merit
+20 from Salt Lick upgrades
+5 from W3 achievement to checkout 1k books
Max book of 160 pre-w5

+25/50/75 from Fury Relic artifact in sailing
Max book level is 245

Other sources of levels on top of book levels
These are levels that go beyond your max book level. Note that these extra levels don't apply to most of Vman's tab, ES's Polytheism, and the Symbols of Beyond talent itself.

Tab4 Symbols of Beyond, up to +13
Bear god in Divinity, up to +15
ES family talent, +10 at level 420 ES. Grows forever.
Rift Slug companion for +25
Max total level is roughly 310/245 minus the exceptions..

[cerulean hemlock]

Mind if I borrow this for my guide?

[granite grove]

technically not slug, it raises current skill lv, not max book cap

[cerulean hemlock]

True

[vagrant mountain]

is it just me or does griffybit have an enormous ego

[cerulean hemlock]

@paper sail I'll credit you 😉

[cerulean hemlock]

The latter is true

[vagrant mountain]

I can't stand watching him lol

[true obsidian]

something just...not right

[finite sparrow]

In what island is that artifact? Need to go for it asap

[grizzled elk]

his voice makes an icepick qtip sound tempting

[vagrant mountain]

take out small speed pot for large base dmg pot

[true obsidian]

i think maybe because my low tier gear but i doub it would boost huge dmg

[signal osprey]

Well yeah you need gold kebabs too. That will give a lot more damage than the smallest speed pot

[paper sail]

You're missing a ton of LUK from gear honestly

[signal osprey]

Gold kebabs best damage in the food slot by far

[paper sail]

9th island, Fungi Meadow

[vagrant mountain]

yo why your voidealkers stats look like a mage's 😂😂

[glacial venture]

high wis bubble

[paper sail]

and 171 luk bubble kekw

[true obsidian]

honestly i can't lv this by atom yet

wait

i can now :v

lol

after nblb proc today

[green eagle]

they do? haven't seen any 😦

[cerulean hemlock]

NBLB best lab node

[opaque sun]

and honestly its kind of waste to use precious atom on that

[cerulean hemlock]

Crystal island

[true obsidian]

but will add 100 luk better than +100lv for quick slap?

i don't think it better

[signal osprey]

Quick slap will give much more damage

[cerulean hemlock]

And much more slap

[opaque sun]

100 flat luck that mman doesnt get color bonus is kind of meh

[signal osprey]

But an alarmingly small amount of con exp

[paper sail]

🤷

[signal osprey]

Thoughts and prayers to all the bob bubbles on quick slap accounts

[cerulean hemlock]

Remember when killing Amarok was a OP gamer thing?

@opaque sun This is for you 😉 ^

[true obsidian]

anyway to get catching exp high? new update give better fishing exp, but lava forgot catching :<

[glacial venture]

believe me...trapping is worse^^

[cerulean hemlock]

Use balloons use baloons use baloons 😉

[paper sail]

Catching ain't so bad

[granite grove]

catching will be better again with w6 which will be soon to come, or once dust mote becomes candyable

[cerulean hemlock]

laughs Worship or trapping

[granite grove]

trapping tho, yeah no way to candy

[signal osprey]

Catching exp is already very good

Mining is the current lowest per hour by a lot

Its only hanging on by a thread because its candyable

[glacial venture]

worship is np

[cerulean hemlock]

Candying worship is poor

[cerulean hemlock]

DOING the waves is tiring

[signal osprey]

Worship is a balloon sink

[hollow wasp]

i should redo this guys, but idk what i should do

[true obsidian]

i join this game since defeat Chaotic Efuant under 5mins with trick still the thing only top player can do

[granite grove]

tbf worship is just a byproduct of candying other thing, so its kinda passable to certain lv

[hollow wasp]

like what setup

[glacial venture]

but it gets good msa bonus now

[cerulean hemlock]

Keep it for ogs

[cerulean hemlock]

XD Chaotic in 5 minutes 😦 now I can do it in 2 clicks with ES

[true obsidian]

2 click? 1 is too much now

[cerulean hemlock]

MSA makes us want to do worshipping... To a certain point.

[cerulean hemlock]

Efaunt mastered the way of never getting one shot 😭

[cerulean hemlock]

Without moving

[signal osprey]

Worship is easy with balloons. You do a round of ccd and then go start a glublin TD and spam balloons

[paper sail]

The breedability pets are killing me

[signal osprey]

Its the only good use for balloons after cooking

[grizzled elk]

I wish worship souls went straight to chest, I'm too lazy for all that transferring

[cerulean hemlock]

Wrong. balloons useful for that bonus 0.1% exp you need

AND FLEXING

[hollow wasp]

im not super far with pets yet

[cerulean hemlock]

Flexing is VERY important

[cerulean hemlock]

Ahhhhhhh

[cerulean hemlock]

#midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮 Brutal smackdown 😉 (jk)

[granite grove]

just sell balloon to npc after cooking 50 tbh

[true obsidian]

yeah, the only boss can withstand us longer than other. Tbh, Efaunt is the best boss in this game

[signal osprey]

You can flex this though

[green eagle]

yeah something is seriously wrong for you friend, idk what. this is my vman in a skilling build

[hollow wasp]

AAAAAAA

[cerulean hemlock]

Wrong. Troll. His name fits how he works

[true obsidian]

11k luk

[cerulean hemlock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738868424813445172/1116408301295521873/Vgqdtc6F7H.gif

[hollow wasp]

lulw

[cerulean hemlock]

Prio getting more eggos

[true obsidian]

it is when it prework, after Lava rework him made us can hit him at the begining...he just meh...

[fathom lagoon]

Lmao

Shit had me dead too

[cerulean hemlock]

If you walk up to him, there was a bug that made it so we couldn't hit them I think

[paper sail]

There is no way those chopping pants are still giving you more efficiency than Magma pants.. right? Right??

[cerulean hemlock]

No wayyyy

[hollow wasp]

do this still count as a fleeter? ^^

[true obsidian]

i think no one get this? or even try to get this?

[true obsidian]

nope

[signal osprey]

Yeah its not possible to get that achievement

[paper sail]

It is impossible currently

[cerulean hemlock]

Nope

[cerulean hemlock]

None of us love them

[cerulean hemlock]

Not impossible, just takes a few years

[signal osprey]

No its impossible

[true obsidian]

i know getting bread VI took whole year, not know anything about VII

[signal osprey]

The scaling isnt years its centuries

[true obsidian]

well, still possible...just took a long long time :v

[granite grove]

technically possible, but impossible in practice

[true obsidian]

your wis just low for that can be better

[granite grove]

unless if idleon still goes in next centuries and handing your account to your great^5 grandsons

[opaque sun]

Stats just too low to make use of magma

[fast verge]

wtfrick 242m???

[signal osprey]

And I should also note that centuries is probably being generous because I wanted to account for the big boost to breedability from W5 cooking

[true obsidian]

not that high tbh xD

[signal osprey]

Original estimate had it at over 4 digit years

[fast verge]

yeah thats what i mean

its low

[glacial venture]

even when in fight skilling i have wayyyyyyyyyyy more

[opaque sun]

like a non-chopper class in combat is like 1000m

[true obsidian]

vman boost dmg talent only count these 6 skill right?

[viral snow]

Skill issue not being born 2000 years ago

[signal osprey]

Just get 1T damage in a vman skilling spec 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean hemlock]

*6

[signal osprey]

I dont think any of our bloodlines will outlive the heat death of the universe

[opaque sun]

currently trap skill is being the bottleneck for skillage damage

[cerulean hemlock]

We call that global cooling

[true obsidian]

tbh, i don't think we'll have any bloodlines if young still in gender crisis like these days...

[cerulean hemlock]

LGBTQ+++++++++++++++++ I presume

[midnight shadow]

Hello question does the shrine boost still work

[true obsidian]

also oil crisis like in england and german...

[cerulean hemlock]

Yes?

[cerulean hemlock]

*Germany

[cerulean hemlock]

Need another Alaska

[true obsidian]

yes, sorry for my bad english

[midnight shadow]

How do if it's working

[glacial venture]

germany has oil crisis?

[cerulean hemlock]

If you remove it, damage and other stats drop

[cerulean hemlock]

Politics not here 😭

[true obsidian]

technically its people...they just think gouverment need to stop using oil for climate

[glacial venture]

learn to troll better^^

[granite grove]

good to reduce oil consumption, but bad to cut out entirely or the economy will be gutted

bit offtopic for idleon but yeah

[pearl cedar]

Kinda glad tbh. Gives me an excuse to not have to skill all the time on vman

[true obsidian]

i don't understand how people in high education quality can be that...child (i don't want to use stupid but can't know any word)?

[glacial venture]

same for me @opaque sun

[cerulean hemlock]

Also, read my suggestion and tell me if you like it 😉

[cerulean hemlock]

Uneducated

[granite grove]

theres a thing with being “overly-educated & naive” or sth, mostly seen in some western people

[warm trout]

how to protect snail to not be reseted?

[flint belfry]

Hey guys what the difference between :

[granite grove]

better if its applied to all island related entites, like record numbers in some variables then deduct if collected, otherwise remain unchanged

[flint belfry]

I mean I can just skip the lab bonus

[cerulean hemlock]

Prayer is the best thing we can do

[cerulean hemlock]

Ah ok then 😉

[true obsidian]

in my country, if you can study aboard in germany, america,...or any in europe, it a very proud thing and that student got a very bight future...

[cerulean hemlock]

*bright

[cerulean hemlock]

It's just sad that this world has sterotypical thoughts and discrimination

[true obsidian]

1 is world wide, 1 is every world wide

[cerulean hemlock]

I'm Texan Taiwanese.

[warm trout]

wasnt there smth like he can reset only last 5 upg? or its always like that?

[cerulean hemlock]

And everyone thinks I'm from China

[cerulean hemlock]

That thing is already there

[finite sparrow]

What's the best map after soda cans for bubo?

[glacial venture]

for most americans being asian means you are chinese

[cerulean hemlock]

floms

[warm trout]

ok so I can lose only this ?

[cerulean hemlock]

Yep

[warm trout]

tyvm

[cerulean hemlock]

Ikr 😭

I do a good Yee Haw though 😉

[bright vine]

Choco

Then flombs I think

I’ve seen somewhere a drop rate tier screenshot

Anyone still have it?

[cerulean hemlock]

Choco for DK better?

[cerulean hemlock]

There's too many screenshots 😭

[signal osprey]

DK is best on clammies

[glacial venture]

just use choco on any active you use

useless on afk ones anyway

[cerulean hemlock]

True

[bright vine]

The one where it shows how much boost you at at 3 dr, 5dr, etc

[cerulean hemlock]

I remember when DK released.

[true obsidian]

i thought for special drop like shell, ES'll better?

[cerulean hemlock]

Overall reaction:

BIG BOOMERANG WOW THIS SURE IS GOING TO BE OP

[glacial venture]

ES for loot that comes from bags

[signal osprey]

Yeah but I mean if you're farming on DK in W4 to get staues then clammies is the best map

If your only goal is shells then yes ES will get them faster

[cerulean hemlock]

ES's purpose in life 😭

[signal osprey]

Not even really. If I'm farming shells I'll do it on DK anyway

ES is for hampters

Or afk farming

[cerulean hemlock]

Also quick palate cleanser

Made it myself ❤️

[true obsidian]

skill issue

and more skill issue

[vagrant mountain]

what is it? 👁️👄👁️

[cerulean hemlock]

😦 crabby cake

[finite sparrow]

What's the best map before sodacans? I can't 1 shot them yet apparently. For bubo CC

[true obsidian]

Lee sin + Lady bug?

[signal osprey]

How tf you see lee sin there

[cerulean hemlock]

Take THIS then

[hollow wasp]

DK, 6x Droprate, Chocolatey Chip, is it worth farming PO Pens?

[true obsidian]

yellow blindfold

[true obsidian]

PO always worth for

[white cipher]

im farming snakes right now for the vial lol

[glacial venture]

you dont go actively for po pens so

[white cipher]

and statues I need so many lol

[signal osprey]

Lee sin has a red blindfold

[cerulean hemlock]

Here's the catch: If you farm pen's you'll have to click a bunch

[glacial venture]

its more of a byproduct of farming something else

[hollow wasp]

why

[cerulean hemlock]

to use them

[hollow wasp]

oh

ye thats np

idk where i should farm the pens, i have enough dice obols already

[cerulean hemlock]

I have 1k pens.

[white cipher]

yeah it is more of a biproduct

[flint belfry]

does someone reach Rift 46 ? 😄

[cerulean hemlock]

That's banned.

[glacial venture]

let me guess....you got a "brother" for that...

[quasi galleon]

?warn 1147472184445505686 Rule 4 #server-rules

[verbal canyon]

trixep#0 has been warned. || Rule 4 #server-rules

[noble nymph]

Lmao

[finite sparrow]

I guess don't do that

[cerulean hemlock]

Hello Hotair! nice scarf

[hollow wasp]

rekt

[true obsidian]

please sign here...this only 3k pens, i used to have 10k+ pens

[hollow wasp]

well i understand but

[signal osprey]

Clicking them is no problem he says

[hollow wasp]

what monster to farm pens

[quasi galleon]

My pen brother!

[opaque sun]

getting pens isnt the hard part, its using them the real challenge

[cerulean hemlock]

Just use a Brotherclicker! The brother that clicks for you

[hollow wasp]

idk what monsterr i should hunt

[cerulean hemlock]

Atom collider helps this much :

[finite sparrow]

Embrace the tendinitis

[granite grove]

imo too early to do DK farming with that dmg and dr

[cerulean hemlock]

"hunt" 🤣

[hollow wasp]

ye im a hunter

[signal osprey]

Yeah after using like 40k of them I just have them all in storage for the eventual green stack

[cerulean hemlock]

prob snelvies then or choco

[hollow wasp]

chocococo ?

[quasi galleon]

*sigh* idiots, I swear

?mute 387676642329231360 2h Rule 4 #server-rules

[verbal canyon]

king_bob2711#0 was muted. | Rule 4 #server-rules

[cerulean hemlock]

😮

[tacit tulip]

that was pretty impressive lol

[cerulean hemlock]

[signal osprey]

I cant even express how much I respect a man who pings a mod with a bannable offense

[finite sparrow]

What did he say

[signal osprey]

Thats some wild stuff

[tacit tulip]

At least don't tell a mod directly lmao

[hollow wasp]

whats choco mobs

[cerulean hemlock]

Bad thingimajigies Ig

[opaque sun]

Time for lava to bring back the gold pen UI again, which allows us to convert 1000 silver pens to gold pen that does 1000 orders at once

[glacial venture]

back?

[quasi galleon]

What you did but far worse execution

[cerulean hemlock]

even 100 would be good at this point

[cerulean hemlock]

execution=death 😦

So he's dead now?

[opaque sun]

gold pens used to be there at bottom right on po box but lava never figured out what to do with it

[tacit tulip]

just for 2 hours lol

we'll use CPR later

[cerulean hemlock]

Brain work hard

[opaque sun]

And he removed gold pens one day

[cerulean hemlock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/899149209268273188/1133740278059122728/AutoMemes.gif

CPR:

[cerulean hemlock]

All i remember is when Fingore ruined 90% of all endgamers Afking(activing)

[hollow wasp]

this to bad to farm crystal monsters on dk?

oh wait, i have cards

[tacit tulip]

yeah you at least wanna use cards

[hollow wasp]

idk why i dont have them equipped

[noble nymph]

To be fair, would only take like 17 years for the atom collider daily thing to melt through that amount

[tacit tulip]

double them if you can, crystal chance is most important for the crystal farm

[cerulean hemlock]

Atom collider has skillz issue'

[finite sparrow]

When do statues become good?

[noble nymph]

Tbf they've always been pretty good

[finite sparrow]

I believe they're garbage and don't help in any way

[white cipher]

no they are good once u get the bonuses going and unlock gold

[signal osprey]

Thats a skill issue

[opaque sun]

it gets good from lv1

[noble nymph]

Idk I've gained a ton of damage from statues

[white cipher]

its free account wide bonus

[noble nymph]

The food effect one is insane

[signal osprey]

After they become gold so you dont have to worry about spending them on certain characters they are good

[finite sparrow]

Yes that one is good tbh

But the power one for example, isn't it useless

[opaque sun]

especially food bonus and move speed, which affects many other things

[signal osprey]

One statue being bad doesnt mean statues are bad lol

[noble nymph]

Crit rate one is useful? I mean i could live without it though but helped early-mid

[coral goblet]

im at 20/25 onyx... ton of statues banked for when i hit all 25 im hype

[white cipher]

not everyting can be the best of all time

[pearl cedar]

🔨

[signal osprey]

Power statue is useless therefore I believe all statues are garbage and dont help in any way

[opaque sun]

crit % statue is good even past 200% now that we have shimmer trials

[signal osprey]

Thats a wild take

[noble nymph]

Ooo is there one for crit rate?

[bright vine]

Crit rate gets your dmg go brr

[white cipher]

i would start saving all your statues now tbh for the w4 quest

[finite sparrow]

When does bubo get good?

[noble nymph]

Having 450% doesn't help me 😂

[finite sparrow]

When i get the artifact that gives +25 max book?

[noble nymph]

But if there's a trial that would be nice

[tacit tulip]

Power: admittedly Useless
Speed: Outshined by food% but speed is primary source of damge
All skilling statues are good for the eff/exp/sailing speed gains
Base Health and def statues are useful as the multipliers scale from base
Crit is really good until you hit 200%, but still useful for shimmer
Crit damage is good now we have the onyx statue quest, you can get like +3 to your damage multi which is pretty big gains even with mega
Acc isn't too useful but feeds into shimmer anyway
w4 money statue is free gains
w5 damage statue is free gains

[signal osprey]

And W4 breeding exp statue is for the level 100 skill mastery dream

Cooking too for that matter

[opaque sun]

power statue is victim of the “diminishing returns for base damage” mechanic

[tacit tulip]

Unironically think crit damage is goated since the update.
Mega crit acts as a +4 to your crit damage multiplier so getting another +2 to +3 from statues is basically another mega crit ontop of your mega crit

[signal osprey]

The thing is that power statue would actually be somewhat decent especially now after onyx

But the base damage bubble meta has ruined any hope of that

It has made the statue just a drop in the ocean now

[tacit tulip]

Basically yeah, base damage is good, but you get a lot more base damage from quick slap

[opaque sun]

slap bubble is also influenced by diminishing base damage mechanic, but brutes forces to viable with its scaling

[finite sparrow]

I just realised there's a chance for double xp bubble and i have it level 1

But to be fair i can't even reach the material needed on the map

[tacit tulip]

need to get this to 100% before doing my crit damage statues 😦

[cerulean hemlock]

[hollow wasp]

so 20min farming snelbie not a single PO Pen, how frequently do you get them?

[tacit tulip]

How longs a piece of string?

It's a factor of Crystal chance, DR, and making sure your DK is set up properly

[hollow wasp]

crystal chance is 1:124 now

[tacit tulip]

That's still pretty low

[hollow wasp]

should i max these both cards first

[tacit tulip]

ye get the cards to 4* before going on a pen crusade

[signal osprey]

Always max crystal cards as soon as you can

Crystal spawn chance is one of the best stats in the game by a lot

[hollow wasp]

k i have 2star poop card

and 1 star demon genie

[clear quartz]

poop and genie i think were the first things i did. maybe big frogga since around then is when i did the start of my pops farming

[tacit tulip]

Think I did card chance cards -> Crystal cards -> Drop rate cards

[hollow wasp]

my drop cards are kinda done

[finite sparrow]

What is that top right card

[hollow wasp]

k i swapped 48 base wis to 15% drop

thats troll

blitzkrieg troll

[cerulean hemlock]

no gold troll by manual farming.

[clear quartz]

i need moar :c

[cerulean hemlock]

I have the same thing

[tacit tulip]

making very efficienct use of my atoms (see: not) by slowly maxing out all my tab 4 talents

Definitely a waste but fun to do

[clear quartz]

i might need to push my samples again soon since my atoms m wanting to raise are getting spensive. and would like to balance getting some of the collider purchases too and not just be spending on bubbles

[signal osprey]

Bubbles

[valid plume]

guys, quick question does this talent stack with multiple DK's? my guess is no but just to be sure

[tacit tulip]

my atoms have also slowed right down 'cause I'm fixing all my old 1b stacks

[signal osprey]

My atoms are slow because every single printer slot is for a click. I barely make atoms each day if I dont get good vman procs

[valid plume]

ty, and does it just take the highest leveled DK or is it somehow weird as with multiple BB and the chows

[signal osprey]

Highest leveled talent

[valid plume]

tyvm, thats all i needed to know

[opaque sun]

All family wide buffing talents dont stack

[finite sparrow]

What are family bonuses

I've upgraded that stuff a bit but no clue what it does

[dim wind]

whole list:

[finite sparrow]

Never even seen that page

🤯

[dim wind]

Just completed rift 41, which should give me +76% Build speed, but nothing changed? (already closed and reopened the program). Is it bugged or am I missing something here?

[midnight shadow]

Whts the best wey to get fishing statue

I only get 44 per hour

[gray pagoda]

Pretty sure you can only get them from catching

[midnight shadow]

Yea but it just only get 44 per hour it. Just wanted to make if there was a way to increase it of if thts the normal

[signal osprey]

Make sure you have 100% efficiency and use the skilling foods

Then just add as much afk gains and drop rate as you can

[cerulean hemlock]

And check up on prowess! 🙂

[signal osprey]

Prowess wont effect statues

Any efficiency beyond 100% has no impact

[cerulean hemlock]

Ik, just to lower rq's for 100% eff

[opaque sun]

afk gain, drop rate and tool speed

[cerulean hemlock]

if needed

[signal osprey]

I dont think prowess lowers the first 100% iirc

[opaque sun]

big pick affects to increase drops including rare drops tho due to how its treated as tool swings when afk

[signal osprey]

It only works for getting additional resources

[cerulean hemlock]

Ah

[cerulean hemlock]

Imagine trying to mine actively

[tacit tulip]

pretty sure the fishing skill works for that too

which is why BB gets big card gains fishing

[mint prism]

Hi I've only played a month and have some questions about how doot works. He seems to work on my characters doing divinity but nobody else is getting extra idle claims so whats the requirements to have him work on a character?

[signal osprey]

Level 2 div

[mint prism]

Also does he activate both main link and minor or just main links?

[eager sedge]

U still need divinity lvls even with doot btw

[signal osprey]

Both except for on purrmep where it only provides the main link

[bold quiver]

soon and i'll be free from smelting hell

[mint prism]

Thanks!

[left fossil]

Don't think anything stacks if you got 2 of the same classes

[signal osprey]

Bold of you to assume the hell ever ends

[mint prism]

So would it be best to focus on max exp and not worry about div points?

[signal osprey]

We smelting forever

[bold quiver]

oh shit, i forgot about that one man

what is the claim amount per slot in 2 minutes? iron ore is 22k something

[eager sedge]

U actually want to unlock gods too,to upgrade them

[signal osprey]

Its so much lower. 1b dreadlo is a meme

Even green stacking it will be impressive

[bold quiver]

one day lava will change how that talent works and we wont be capped

[signal osprey]

That 1.5m bars was like a few thousand hours of candy

The exact amount of claims required will vary based on your arcade forge shop but the ratios will remain constant and its roughly 150x more claims than iron and copper vials combined

[bold quiver]

oh lord

[mint prism]

Thank you one last question about doot. 2 gods seem to not be working even with div lvl 2+ both of the lab ones

[bold quiver]

u need to be physicaly at lab for goat to activate

its written on god, but u cant check it i assume

[mint prism]

I have a div lvl 15 char with doot and he does not count as active in lab while doing div and does not get div gains in lab

I have him linked to snake do I need him not linked to anything for doot to work?

[signal osprey]

You can be linked to gods and doot will work

[sharp igloo]

You just need to link 1 guy to the tiger, and the rest dont matter

[tacit galleon]

Why can’t I use divinity pearls on the divinity skill in world 5?

[warped grail]

because is world 5

[tacit galleon]

What

[warped grail]

you cant use it until world 6

[tacit galleon]

I thought that was just candy

[warped grail]

pearls too i think

[tacit galleon]

Oh

Well that sucks

[warped grail]

you are welcome

[tacit tulip]

really doesn't help they're called divinity pearls lol

[green eagle]

finally

[signal osprey]

Soon

[green eagle]

Soon-ish

[signal osprey]

I cant wait to start on the liquid speed

5 days until I finish the stupid lab exp one

[green eagle]

oh i skipped that one, didn't see a point in it, lab exp is a moot thing now lol

[signal osprey]

I mean finish it for the first time to even unlock the liquid one

[green eagle]

unless he like revamps the skill/console, i'm fine with it

[green eagle]

soon i'll have all giving a bonus, then it's only time that gates the final maxed sigils

the final sigils take entirely way too long for how worthless their bonus is

[signal osprey]

I'll have them unlocked soon too

[green eagle]

i'm just hoping the w6 sigil implies he will come back to looking at them in the future

[signal osprey]

Yeah I want more sigil tiers

[tacit tulip]

My money is still on w6 sigil = +1 sigil max level

to ruin everyones day

[signal osprey]

I'd rather do more base stats or DR than lab exp and weapon power

Even if the time on them is really high it would still be better than getting completely useless bonuses

[tacit tulip]

slowly getting there

[signal osprey]

Assuming I dont get screwed on 3D omni procs all day I should finish the stilts vial today and that will be every currently maxable vial completed

[old portal]

how to setup my ES for cocoonut farming?

need few more coconuts for atomable quick slap

6b damage es

also what cards to use for max mob drops

[potent gust]

Too early based on my lab level. Still enjoyable

[lilac patrol]

Hey question, how do i use the sub class swap token. It says i need to hold down on it, but it doesnt work. Do i need to reset all my skills or something like that?

[rustic garnet]

This is making sure not to get more than 2 levels at a time

I don't think this changed anything compared to someone who just chunked in the lot and got 147

unless they were doing the picnic religiously or getting POW somehow

[green eagle]

i'm holding all those until i have the guaranteed 100% double statues with maxing vials

[rustic garnet]

already passed that

[green eagle]

then i'll dump them for 160k statues guaranteed. i don't want to chance it. i'm still only on 87% chance to double

[signal osprey]

It doesnt work on elite classes if thats what you're attempting to do

[lilac patrol]

That explains a lot haha, my main is a beast master and well they suck but yeah. thankyou for replying 😛

[rustic garnet]

is the listed value on vials including the boost form rift?

[signal osprey]

Yeah

[rustic garnet]

cool

[bright vine]

Do you have another bm?

[green eagle]

you shut your mouth and don't give him those types of ideas some of those sigils will take more than 6 months to max out already, i can only imagine the YEARS it will take to max out a 3rd tier. made even worse by the thought that it will be flat bonuses and not % bonuses

[lilac patrol]

Yes

[rustic garnet]

no chance sigils is even touched

they are so poorly done

and so low value compared to everything else

they'd need a rework

[signal osprey]

I dont know why people are so opposed to new sigil tiers tbh

[rustic garnet]

the current time lapse to get a tier is incredibly long

[signal osprey]

Like yeah theyre slow but the alternative is a mediocre increase to water

[green eagle]

time gates aren't fun

that is all

[rustic garnet]

it's just a straight time gate

[signal osprey]

And I'd rather spend months going for tier 3 base stats or DR than months going for tier 2 lab exp and weapon power

[rustic garnet]

that's why people are opposed

[signal osprey]

I'm not saying its designed well

[rustic garnet]

if you could interact with it it would be neat

[signal osprey]

I'm saying that even with the poor design adding the option to do a 3rd tier on good sigils is better than being forced to do a 2nd tier on shit sigils

[hot dove]

Is it actually worth it to put all the smithing points in speed? Like absolutely no investment in the other things?

[rustic garnet]

but the fact that no matter what you get exactly the same time....

[green eagle]

if they interacted with CC i'd be all for it

[rustic garnet]

yes

[green eagle]

but they don't so it literally is a pointless time gate

[rustic garnet]

it'd trivialize it though

[signal osprey]

Plus I feel like people are missing the point of sigils though

[rustic garnet]

which is?

[signal osprey]

It was meant to be the thing you do when you're done with cauldrons

Its supposed to take forever

[green eagle]

active with one of the best active classes or not, that is your choice

[signal osprey]

Because when cauldrons were done people were complaining about having nothing to do with characters in alch

[rustic garnet]

ok, but... here's the fun bit: You could just add something to cauldrons, a new alch tab

[signal osprey]

Then lava gave something to do and they complain about it again

[green eagle]

(the 4th liquid type)

[rustic garnet]

because it was poor!

[signal osprey]

Your argument is that its bad because its a time gate

But if it wasnt then we would just end up back at square one

[rustic garnet]

Yes, it's a pure time gate

[signal osprey]

I finished alch give me something to do

[rustic garnet]

we are at square one though

put some form of mechanic into sigil

[signal osprey]

Square one was having characters literally do nothing at all

Sigils are characters slowly getting bonuses over time

[rustic garnet]

they could sit in liquid cauldrons

[signal osprey]

And they still can

[rustic garnet]

it's a poor concept as there is no improving

it's basically the antithesis of an idle game

numbers go up, not stay the same

[signal osprey]

And if there was improvement then it would be completed and people would complain about that

At the end of the day he cant please everyone

[tacit tulip]

thing is, you'd never be free. Unlocking tier one unlocks tier 3. Unlocking tier 2 unlocks tier 4... tired 3 unlocks tier 5 😄

[rustic garnet]

I feel like sigils please very few people

[signal osprey]

its objectively an improvement over alch pre sigils

Sitting in cauldrons does nothing

[rustic garnet]

objectively an improvement doesn't mean it was a good add to the game

[signal osprey]

An improvement isnt good for the game

huh

[rustic garnet]

it's a bad system

you are trying to compare it to zero

[signal osprey]

Having nothing to do is also a bad system

[rustic garnet]

I'm saying he's added sigils, which only make the game worse as it's very boring

[signal osprey]

Having cauldrons done is very boring

[rustic garnet]

completing alch is fine, move to the next thing, give them a graduation hat

we've completed other things in the game

[signal osprey]

The thing is you can still complete the cauldrons

And then get sigils on top of that

Its literally what we had before but more

I guess minus the graduation hat

[vagrant mountain]

I don't think it would be an improvement if it wasn't good

[rustic garnet]

ending on a high, rather than slowly dragging us over the boring coals of grind shrug

and that's my point, I don't think it's an improvement

it's just 'something'

exactly Mepw

Meow*

[signal osprey]

Thats the entire game though

[rustic garnet]

I've got things in sigils that are just afking for half a year without TOUCHING them

[signal osprey]

Click auto and get an upgrade over time

[green eagle]

[vagrant mountain]

without things like sigils and shiny pets etc, people would finish the game in 3 months and quit

although it's not perfect, I think sigils are a healthy thing for alchemy and the game in general

[green eagle]

if you're going to quit because of not having shiny pets or sigils, i think you were going to quit either way 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant mountain]

you don't understand

it's easy to "finish" the game

[signal osprey]

Yeah I'm not arguing that sigils are great just that they were made with a specific purpose in mind and they fulfil that purpose

Honestly the biggest issue with sigils isnt even the sigils themselves

It was the sailing artifact

[green eagle]

a month

[signal osprey]

Because before that they were a small bonus that you could get one day

Now the bonuses arent so small anymore so not having them feels worse

[green eagle]

and those aren't even the worst of them

[paper sail]

Imagine working on Lab EXP

[vagrant mountain]

the point is, I've been playing for 3 months and I've basically finished everything in the game except long time consuming things like sigils/shinies and unfinishable things like statues and alchemy

[paper sail]

I've been playing over a year and still not finished

[vagrant mountain]

without those, I have no reason to play anymore

[signal osprey]

Woah 3 months and 51 maxed vials

[green eagle]

and i'm at almost 2 years and there is still content to do/unlock. i'm probably not the most uber focused, but that is mainly my own doing.

how did you farm those 1b pearls and hampters so fast?!??!

[vagrant mountain]

well no, but I think you know what I mean

[signal osprey]

No its 51 excluding the impossible vials

There are 51 vials that a normal human being can do without using illegitimate farming methods

[green eagle]

nothing is impossible, just unenjoyable, unfathomable, and most important, nearly pointless to grind

[vagrant mountain]

the game/genre requires there to be these long grinds in the game

[paper sail]

We're all just dancing around the same topic, which is enjoyment. What one person finds fun or entertaining isn't always going to be the same for someone else.

[signal osprey]

You could make an argument for 52 if you're committed but I would argue that you arent a normal human being if you max dreadlo

[signal osprey]

Well no all but dreadlo are actually impossible currently

They would take you longer than the game has even been out

Dreadlo is the unfathomable nearly pointless one that is technically doable if you're actually just a robot pretending to be a human

[velvet turret]

How long should i stay in divinity jail after getting w5?

[paper sail]

Don't call out my little brother like that

[exotic juniper]

Should I level up uneding loot search on SB for finding artifacts / eldritch?

[signal osprey]

I should add that even with a little brother that doesnt sleep its still many many months

So its not worth it

[green eagle]

you've already grinded to full eclipse DN? i kneel and bow down to you 🧎‍♂️ 🙇‍♂️

[signal osprey]

As far as "endgame" grinds go full eclipse is relatively easy

Especially if you have doot

[tacit tulip]

It's typically a net loss except under extreme circumstances (1h claims, 24+ hr claims)

Normal rules: 30 chest space, 20 ships. You get 50 chests at once (30 slots, 20 ships waiting at dock)

Unending search: 29 chest space. You get 29 chests, and some will be upgraded

It's almost never worth dropping half your chests for the increase

[vagrant mountain]

I'll probably be done full eclipse by next month, but you obviously know what I mean and you're just nitpicking my response

[signal osprey]

Death note benefits from doot more than most other mechanics in the game

[green eagle]

yes, but it is still something that will take longer than 3 months

[bright vine]

Are you sure?

[green eagle]

i have nothing but time to nitpick, didn't you see my sigils have months until conclusion?

[exotic juniper]

Thanks that is what I thought. I havent been using it but have been wonderingh ha

[paper sail]

There is an easy argument to make, though, that eclipse skulls aren't strictly content. It's just doing more of that thing you already did. Their point was that the initial burst of unlocking new systems doesn't take too long.

[signal osprey]

The only death note content that matters is gmush

[vagrant mountain]

feels like this discussion is just devolving

[tacit tulip]

there's an argument to be made that the damage boost from eclipse might be taken partially into account when balancing world 6

[signal osprey]

I have that effect on discussions

[bright vine]

What is content though. If you candy all the way to w5 and then beat the final boss, you haven’t done even 5% of the game

[signal osprey]

Not like it would matter if its taken into account when quick slap exists

Why do full eclipse when 2 days of atoms gives more damage

[tacit tulip]

I really should spam some slap some more

That'll, in turn, make DN easier

[signal osprey]

Outside of W1 eclipse for gmush multikill the only purpose to eclipse is just to be doing them really

[pearl cedar]

But but but I need 1q sheet damage even though strongest mob is like 1b or something

[paper sail]

Sure you have. By that point in time, you have likely unlocked every unique system in the game, barring 2 monster maps.

[signal osprey]

Its per 25% over 110%

[bright vine]

But you haven’t played most of the game

You can just watch a YouTube video of someone in w5

And call it 100% speed run

[eager sedge]

4x time if i recall corectly

[pearl cedar]

Much

[tacit tulip]

names only advantage is it can be hourly clicked

but it doens't matter

[vagrant mountain]

1k quick slap = 2k~ name I guess (on mage)

[signal osprey]

Name I guess is logMP x bubble level scaling quotient
Quickslap is (MS - 110)/25 x bubble level scaling quotient

So basically you gain a "tier" of name i guess every power of 10 mana vs a "tier" of quick slap every ***25% *** movespeed

Well every 25% above 110% so slightly lower but still

[pearl cedar]

Made sense when max speed was like 250 lol

[signal osprey]

You can easily get it 4 or 5 times higher than name i guess

[vagrant mountain]

1500 speed or bust

[signal osprey]

Also made sense when you couldnt even level the bubble without nblb lol

[gentle anchor]

any tips for getting to round 125?

[vagrant mountain]

haven't done pet arena in months 👁️👄👁️

[bright vine]

Getting a super computer

[signal osprey]

rattler/looter/refiller/badum/borger

And then pray

Because its still rng

[vagrant mountain]

#1084967526955499600 message

[bright vine]

I see most people recommend rattler/looter/egg/badum/borger

[vagrant mountain]

who is this guy

Ive never used egg in my life

[signal osprey]

I wonder how far I could get in arena now 🤔

[bright vine]

I tried egg, and I’m basically at wave 120 without any issues.

But I crash

And can’t get to 125

[vagrant mountain]

pretty sure you can go indefinitely

[paper sail]

Shield is wayyyyyyyy better than Egg

[bright vine]

Tried shield, couldn’t get past wave 70

[signal osprey]

I think its time for science

[bright vine]

All pets 10-40k

[paper sail]

I completed 200 before any 30k pets

[vagrant mountain]

after a point, it's just Rattler / Defender /Refiller and they are just invulnerable

I did arena 200 and every spice battle with 10k pets

[bright vine]

In 3 months?

[vagrant mountain]

in like 1 month

[paper sail]

Like your issue is crashing, not power

[bright vine]

Ye, which sucks.

[vagrant mountain]

I remember when I had a GTX 645

[bright vine]

I go to low pop word, remove kitchens, pets, lab

Still can’t get past 120

[signal osprey]

We'll see how far I get in 1 hour

Place your bets now

[bright vine]

Doing?

[pearl cedar]

Looter procs at 100 and you die

[paper sail]

250

[signal osprey]

Looter is before refiller and defender so I'm safe there

[vagrant mountain]

what power is your Rattler?

[signal osprey]

Plus my borger is 130k so he can probably handle 100 lol

87k rattler

[vagrant mountain]

1hr I'm gonna guess 200

[signal osprey]

3 minutes in at wave 94

[vagrant mountain]

damn not looking too good for my bet 😂

[tacit tulip]

there's actually abalancing effect in play here that might slow you down

you'll kill the earier waves faster - meaning you build less stacks of skulls/badum

so when your looter kills everyone, you have less gains

[signal osprey]

Yeah I'm at 100 and not even 1k badum yet lol

[vagrant mountain]

all I know about my Arena battle is that I fell asleep at my computer and woke up to 214

[tacit tulip]

This will forever be the stupid thing I did

[signal osprey]

125 cleared so I can use 6 pets now

[vagrant mountain]

🎉🎉

they grow up so fast

[signal osprey]

In the time it took for you to reply I hit 138

In the time it took me to type that i hit 144

[vagrant mountain]

damn these slow fingers

[tacit tulip]

sooon

[signal osprey]

My Borger ate a hit at 171 and lived

[tacit tulip]

christ

[signal osprey]

Like 2% hp left

Oh rip he dead now

[paper sail]

Looter is fired for not healing

[tacit tulip]

and also causing his death

[signal osprey]

He did heal

[paper sail]

also under arrest for assisted murder

[signal osprey]

178 just hit harder than 171

[vagrant mountain]

I swear my first 3 pets died by wave 120 when I did mine 😭

[signal osprey]

Yeah but my Borger is 130k

[vagrant mountain]

thic

ccc

[tacit tulip]

I'd imagine it's possible to reach a borger that can straight up survive to 200 now

[signal osprey]

So he was eating hits do to looters skull proccing he just didn't care

Until 178. Then he cared a lot

Badum and looter are down now

4.7k speed and 66k curse though

Big damage

[heavy moth]

how does CCD work, never bother to <<use>> that

[paper sail]

I've seen images of 500k + though probably not legitimate as that needs like 120 breeding

[tacit tulip]

Each crystal kill lowest exp to level a random w1-3 skill, up to a max.

[signal osprey]

Yeah there's no way thats possible

[tacit tulip]

You can trigger a level up with the reduction

[heavy moth]

does each skill is reduc or once i level, lets say chopping all CDCD will go back to 0

[tacit tulip]

ye

just the skill you levle, sorry

didn't read

[heavy moth]

aight thanks

[tacit tulip]

A common tactic is to level a skill to 20%, then get CC up to 80% ,which levels the skill and resets it to 0%, then CC up to 80 again

then you just need your old 20% to level upo

[vagrant mountain]

the last ones to fall..will never sacrifice their will

[paper sail]

Not mine

[vagrant mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sweet-victory-sweet-victory-trumpets-gif-14122482

[signal osprey]

This was just over 20 minutes ago and we on 201 now

[pearl cedar]

Halfway there boys

[signal osprey]

Also quick side note. What kinda toasters yall playing on to crash in this? My pc is trash and I'm not even dropping frames. The performance mode is lit

[tacit tulip]

are you super chowing doot shroom? You absolute madman

also, onyx is now done!

now I just need to 100% snakeskin and I can start depositing crap

how many do I need again? Brain is telling me 27

[signal osprey]

Your brain is correct

[tacit tulip]

cool, easy enough

[grizzled elk]

What's 27 get you?

[tacit tulip]

enough bonus for this to be 100%

[sharp igloo]

Does it actually change the number on screen to 100% or it just is 100% but still says 93.6?

[tacit tulip]

it updates as it goes

[signal osprey]

The screen changes

[tacit tulip]

all the vials do

[signal osprey]

With no vial mastery snakeskin is 65%

[sharp igloo]

Oh okay. Was wonderin about that cause I saw people with the same vial level as me but different numbers

[tacit tulip]

that'll be why

[humble valve]

bowman for bars???

[tacit tulip]

I lost all my bars in the great atoming of last week

[sharp igloo]

The wurm vial cant reach 100% i take it?

[exotic juniper]

200 crit chance is all i need, right?

[signal osprey]

The description can but the actual effect is capped at 90%

[paper sail]

The Wurm vial is absolute garbage because all the alchemy sources TOGETHER cap at 90%. You probably already had 90% from Platinum Ore and the Sigil before you even started on Wurm

[signal osprey]

Sigil is separate multi

[sharp igloo]

Oh weird

[signal osprey]

Its just plat vial and wurm vial that add together

[paper sail]

Is it? I saw no difference

[vagrant mountain]

imagine 108% discount for stamps

[signal osprey]

Which technically could be capped pre mastery but it required both vials maxed

So most players didn't have it

[vagrant mountain]

would be like the sailing gold bars

[signal osprey]

I mean that basically happened on mobile for awhile

[paper sail]

I'm at 65% and 86% from the vials. I assume they add together, so I've been capped for a while

[sharp igloo]

Lol the pig gives you money and mats each time you level your stamp

[signal osprey]

There was stamp cost overflow

[vagrant mountain]

sometimes I think I should just learn how to use Stencyl

[paper sail]

Currently, yes. 200% guaranteed Megacrit and we don't have a tier above that

[sharp igloo]

There needs to be more crit tiers lol

[daring ravine]

talking about crits
How do people get so much crit chance

[paper sail]

I have to use a GUI programming tool like that at work sometimes and I swear I lose braincells. It is so much more work than regular programming

[paper sail]

Huuuuge chunk comes from the statue. My statue gives 197% lol

[sharp igloo]

The 2 star talents, and then statues add a ton

[unreal fox]

hi guys, how much dmg do i need to kill this worm rift 38? my stats

[daring ravine]

ill be struggling with crits for a while then

[daring ravine]

which

[paper sail]

Overaccurate Crit, as well as 10% crit chance from Megacrit itself

[sharp igloo]

Mega crit from dungeons, and I forgot where you get the red one

[vagrant mountain]

yeah, I know a few different languages but Im curious of the potential of stencyl

[daring ravine]

damn the overaccurate crit does seem good

[paper sail]

I mean it's like Frontpage lol

[vagrant mountain]

and it just kinda seems like a minigame where I can't fuck it up too hard

[vagrant mountain]

the only "GUI programming tool" I've ever used was Gamemaker I think when I was like 11

[paper sail]

I wish I could say I was 11 when I made my shitty jrpg in RPG Maker to fiddle with Ruby

[dapper prism]

Yes, although i'm not 100% sure if it's correct

[paper sail]

I'd take a rough estimate!

[vagrant mountain]

all I did was make a frog crossing traffic game 😂

[finite sparrow]

Does the archer forge talent work while offline?

[dapper prism]

What's the ATK value you need?

[rustic garnet]

I had both beefy and MK against tremors with DK and didn't die, I didn't do anything

[sharp igloo]

Yeah but you have to check your gains every 2 minutes I think

[paper sail]

Uhh Tremor Crystals? 🤷

[dapper prism]

Because it's a DK..

[finite sparrow]

Wtf. Why

[rustic garnet]

ok, bubo?

is bubo the issue here?

[dapper prism]

Yes

[paper sail]

The question, not the issue

[sharp igloo]

Otherwise forge capacity caps out for the day

[finite sparrow]

I don't really get it but i certainly won't check it every 2 minutes

[rustic garnet]

wonder what my next greenstack should be

[signal osprey]

Pens

[rustic garnet]

silve rpens, heh

well

[stable berry]

Statues

[dapper prism]

Eh, something on def seems broken atm

[rustic garnet]

honestly 3 statues are super easy to greenstack

[dapper prism]

Mus thave happened when i moved stuff around xD

[stable berry]

Greenstack them all

[sharp igloo]

Im not 100% sure, but I think your bars only get deposited to your chest on daily reset. But it only takes 2 minutes to reach the cap, so you get the same amount of bars afking for 10 hours as you do in 2 minutes

[rustic garnet]

most are not worth it

[vagrant mountain]

I'm green stacking time thingys

[weary granite]

I've got ES at lvl150 and everyone else is >90, who should I try to power level for progressing? I keep hearing dark knight is probably the move

[finite sparrow]

Even if my kph is 10k?

[rustic garnet]

no....

[vagrant mountain]

can farm them while farming beans 😄

[sharp igloo]

Maybe not then

[finite sparrow]

Then i have no issue 🤣

[dapper prism]

But wiki has base ATK and Def needed for 0 on wurm, crystal would be 2.5x that although obviously scales a bit different, could compare the increase on crawler to draw a rough estimate

[rustic garnet]

are you trying to zero damage worm?

is there a value to that?

[tacit tulip]

mostly "it's funny"

[vagrant mountain]

trying to find how much def needed to survive tremor crystal with 130k bubo using max beefy and MK prayers

[signal osprey]

You could ask camp about it

[rustic garnet]

survive, I think it's way less than you think

[signal osprey]

He has over 1m defense

[paper sail]

I'm just trying to find how much def I need to not get bopped so I can be lazy and not take off the prayer when I switch from AFK to Active

[dapper prism]

Worm is 135.2k, the bigger issue is crystals that are 2.5x atk

Do you have invulnerability talent leveled?

[rustic garnet]

as long as you're not getting 1 shot, you should be able to life leach

[paper sail]

Well, leveled-ish. 3.33 seconds

[sharp igloo]

Yeah DK or bubo are both good to keep up with

[rustic garnet]

50 points in this and you should be ok

[dapper prism]

My bubo needed golden meat pies to survive, and it only brings my def from around 8k to 10k and neve rhave an issue there (also 47k hp on my bubo)

[signal osprey]

Sustaining is the easy part. Its not getting one shot thats an issue

[rustic garnet]

surely you aren't getting one shot

[signal osprey]

If your bubo doesn't die in one hit he will never die

[rustic garnet]

what is your base health?

[vagrant mountain]

bro we are talking about max beefy and max MK prayers

[rustic garnet]

I know what you're talking about

[signal osprey]

Yeah max of both of those is hard to sustain. Not even sure if my bubo could do it tbh

Never tried though

[rustic garnet]

definitely with a health pot

[paper sail]

I'm at 998 defence, 130315 hp with box max prayers on. No food, no hp pots

[vagrant mountain]

crystal tremor does like 700k dmg on 0 def

[rustic garnet]

130k health should be close to enough minus the cyrstals

[paper sail]

Regular enemy hits me for 75k

[signal osprey]

How much damage do you think they do lol. Itll be well over 6 digits without very large defense investment

[rustic garnet]

that doesn't sound right

[finite sparrow]

Are wurms last w5 map?

[rustic garnet]

less than 200k per hit

that's my estimate

[dapper prism]

If it's right now,
1k Def would hit you 305.9k
2k Def would hit you 108.99k
3k Def would hit you 45.9k
5k Def would hit you 13.7k

[rustic garnet]

2.5x attack, right?

[paper sail]

So 2k defence is the rough point I need. Thanks!

[dapper prism]

Yes that's at 500k dmg (since wurm is 200k)

[vagrant mountain]

so that's like 200k def without prayers? 😂

[rustic garnet]

right, someone said it was less, ok

[sharp igloo]

Is there a tower guide to unlock beefy?

[signal osprey]

Now I need to check if my bubo can run beefy when I finish this arena run

8 more minutes for the 1 hour

[paper sail]

For science

[rustic garnet]

That's without trying any defensive trickery

[unreal fox]

finally

[signal osprey]

Theres very little trickery you can do though

[rustic garnet]

wait... is there a reason to run MK actively?

[vagrant mountain]

why not

[dapper prism]

What def are you on?

https://i.imgur.com/6VdTTIy.png

[rustic garnet]

Why not? I mean, because if you don't gain anything?

I don't know, is there a benefit to active MK?

[paper sail]

For like the 8th time saying it, because I want to be lazy and not remove MK prayer when I switch from AFK DN farming to Active liquid farming

[rustic garnet]

ok

[signal osprey]

I also keep the wurm drops to click the last bubble

[paper sail]

998 def

[dapper prism]

Does MK talent not work active?

[vagrant mountain]

mobs you kill are still affected by multikill when you're active

[rustic garnet]

I don't think they are snail

[paper sail]

Yes they are

[vagrant mountain]

they are

[dapper prism]

Rip?
https://i.imgur.com/oHMTEw1.png

[paper sail]

MK works active

[rustic garnet]

what do you get then?

[signal osprey]

More mob drops

[rustic garnet]

more base drops?

[paper sail]

That's pretty darn close then. 306,496 estimate vs 306,554 actual

[dapper prism]

Yeh, dmg to you part works. the auto calc for def to be hit 0 is way broken xD

[vagrant mountain]

I'm guessing the formula is correct and the enemy attack is off

[paper sail]

Base drops as well as portal counts and deathnote if those still matter 🤷

[rustic garnet]

ok

so that would get you more keys then?

or just the first drop?

I recall someone saying only the first drop gets multiplied by MK

[paper sail]

Just the worm material

[rustic garnet]

kk

[dapper prism]

Also get DN progress for when there's Multi eclipse

[rustic garnet]

so this is almost entirely about ease of play

[signal osprey]

Ease of play is half the game

Why play if miserable

[dapper prism]

Removing prayer = Forgetting to put prayer back on

[coral goblet]

is crystal farming on worms the play for making money? my stamps are falling behind

[vagrant mountain]

yeah, technically you don't need any prayer at all

but they make the game better

[rustic garnet]

for 'ease of play' here, you could also just do liquid farm on a different map ;_)

[paper sail]

Slower, worse money, worse keys..

I may as well stop and change the prayer at that point

[signal osprey]

Or you could just keep the prayers on

[dapper prism]

That's just terrible advice xD

[rustic garnet]

if it was just liquid farming

[dapper prism]

but you dont "JUST" liquid farm

[rustic garnet]

you would turn on shiny, right?

[dapper prism]

why sacrifice free money and keys?

[rustic garnet]

if you wanted to do more than just liquid farm

[vagrant mountain]

depends how inefficient you want to be

[rustic garnet]

shiny+coins

like, this is a weird concept, want to be efficient and lazy, but this sort of specific efficient and lazy that ... doesn't involve prayer swaps, so bad money and key drops, but 'lazy'?

[dapper prism]

how is it lazy?

[paper sail]

The amount of keys lost in the time it takes to fill my cauldron is so I don't care

[dapper prism]

its purely efficient to figure out the def needed to never need to worry about the prayer

[rustic garnet]

right, so you only care about cauldron :p

+lazy of a different sort

[signal osprey]

1 hour is over

[vagrant mountain]

scoli wins

[paper sail]

Nah I said 250, I went over

[vagrant mountain]

I said 200

you were closest

[signal osprey]

Now time to see if my bubo gets clapped at wurms with beefy on

[rustic garnet]

price is right rules, surely

without both prayers, bubo is no sweat

[paper sail]

I'm at 478 FMJ for reference, 998 defence remaining with both max prayers

[umbral tapir]

Is this ok for 2 hours of active DK farming?

[rustic garnet]

in what sense ice beaver?

[umbral tapir]

Statue farming

[rustic garnet]

number of trophies?

[umbral tapir]

For onyx'ing

[rustic garnet]

compare to the guide

and see

[umbral tapir]

It has numbers?

I just thought it had recommended locations

My b

[rustic garnet]

nm, not for W2

W3/4 do though

[vagrant mountain]

"ok" is subjective

it looks like you have a lot of room to work on your DR and crystal spawn

[rustic garnet]

My W2 farm took maybe 16 hours

that would be 'good'

[serene kiln]

Idk where people be getting 20dr from

[signal osprey]

Thats 100 more fmj than me so I dont like my odds

[rustic garnet]

so ... if you are getting 800-1200 statues per hour, that's good

[signal osprey]

But first I need to go max beefy

And to do that I need to go worship

[paper sail]

I atom'd it today to see.. not much improvement

[rustic garnet]

so, I would say 'not great' but 'fine'?

[serene kiln]

I’m only at 12dr where the other 8 come from is unknown

[dapper prism]

Do you have card doublers, 5* crystals/dr cards?

[rustic garnet]

all the labs lit up, all of the alchemy DR gained, all of the equipment

[signal osprey]

We'll say 37/40 is good enough

[vagrant mountain]

you get 80% DR from sigils

[rustic garnet]

you're going to get slapped with both on

[umbral tapir]

Crystal spawn cards are both red and genie is doubled. Stamp is at like 160. Everything crystal related is maxed as normal.

[serene kiln]

I don’t have the equipment drop from sigil or equipment

[rustic garnet]

what is your cyrstal chance ice beaver?

[signal osprey]

Oh no this isnt gonna work

I havent been hit by a crystal yet but no chance I survive if I do

[serene kiln]

I’m still on chizor gear until my void salt is up

[vagrant mountain]

shrine and stamp are the big ones

your DR could use some love

relatively easy to get 15x these days

[signal osprey]

I need some more Hp and defense

[umbral tapir]

https://ice_beaver.idleonefficiency.com

Shrine...shit