lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[sharp igloo]

Ah

[opaque sun]

So 14-21 giants a week

Thats, big

Especially to fuel fractal in the future

[dapper prism]

speaking of giants. I had my weekly reset, this purely from regular giants at tremors over night so far 😄
https://i.imgur.com/meX2LbF.png

[sharp igloo]

Geez lol

[fast grail]

Lost a ton on DR recently and tried to figure it out, completely forgot that since I started skilling on my sb that normally never does skill, he only had the points into the tab 4 talent on combat tab

[dapper prism]

Best thing to do imo is use 2nd dk/es/sb and just max those talents on each, both presets xD

Never have to worry about it that way

[fast grail]

Yeah, actually had it like that at one point, but idleon messed up a few weeks ago for me and I had to log out and back in fully, which deleted all my presets x_x

[opaque sun]

common causes of loss of dr:

1. Switched sb preset to a preset with 0 talents in plunder
2. Switched obols
3. Using a skilling card preset
4. Using an afk gain cardset bonus

[sick sentinel]

Chips and prayer are good for that list

[dapper prism]

idk what happened with mine but ever since onyx update i cant get above 20x on dk anymore

[sharp igloo]

Does the new sampling stamp actually increase sample size if youre already at 90%? Or does it just get you closer to 90% if you arent?

[dapper prism]

Oh nvm, i remember that i remembered xD

using kattle sparks

[fast grail]

Yeah, using those as well. Can’t be asked to swap the obols when claiming so no dr sparkles for me

[opaque sun]

its more for to reach 90% without royal sampler

[sharp igloo]

Oh darn.

[tardy oak]

how did you guys farm the instalab followers?

[opaque sun]

With the new stamp, DK can barely just reach 90% naturally

[sharp igloo]

I was dumb and maxed my royal samoler prayer lol

[supple raft]

I can't complete the last star sign in The worm nest, my players are strong and able to kill all Tremor Wurms in under 100 sec, but the star sign still says 2/5, I did it with different players but I can't complete it

[sick sentinel]

Crystal mob farming active gets you a lot

[dapper prism]

Its not all, its 100 in 100s

[supple raft]

oh

[dapper prism]

So use mob respawn chips or keychains or use classes with insta rezz

[supple raft]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

Make sure you click the starsign with each char after doing it

[supple raft]

thank you

[opaque sun]

Although it can be done on non-respawn talent classes, its easier to do on respawn classes

[muted bramble]

new nugget

[tardy oak]

better farm with dk or bubo?

[sick sentinel]

For extra side stuff from crystals, imo dk

In guessing dk would be faster no matter what, never tested it tho

[opaque sun]

If after just the drops, dk

[tardy oak]

if i compare it, feels like bubo is so much faster in killing

[sick sentinel]

Bubo gets faster kills, but orb score makes it so that 1 kill can count as multiple

[opaque sun]

yes pure kills bubo gets more kills

[dapper prism]

plus, dk = more statues

[tardy oak]

okay that makes sense

[bold quiver]

plus dk = cool

[opaque sun]

But like dk gets like 4-5x more drop triggers

Unless your bubo is killing 4-5x more than dk, dk does better

[signal osprey]

DK

[dapper prism]

What sounds more fearsome.
The DK, a deadly knight!
Bubo, basically a bubbly little mage?

The choice is yours..

[opaque sun]

Blood Berserker being the most noodle arm non-combative supporter

[signal osprey]

Someone has to do it

[sharp igloo]

Any advice on what I should use my atoms on? My current goal is to raise my Vmans damage. I figured Id start atoming luk bubble 1, but its not quite atommable today.

[dapper prism]

Dare you to atom the gift 😄

[opaque sun]

Larry can still use some atom

id take larry to 110-115%

[fast grail]

Bob pretty low, mage bubble 3 low

[dapper prism]

My Larry was the main first thing, 2.1k for 115% 😄 so everything will always benefit from it and i dont have to worry about it ever again (i dont do hourly clicks)

[fast grail]

Honestly, those are some pretty good stat bubbles for how low the rest of the alch is, unless you have just only been atom clicking them

[sharp igloo]

I do wanna raise larry, but its getting kind of expensive, so I wanted to max boron before I went back to it. I was thinkin wis bubble 3 too, I just need another day or 2 worth of mats before I can atom it.

[bold quiver]

stop larry at 101% and do it above only after u are done getting everything else to 90% capacity imo

[sharp igloo]

Ive been doing some hourly, but I atomed wis quite a bit at first

[bold quiver]

for atoms order i'd do larry 101% > call me bob 1k > skilling stuff

[sharp igloo]

How high would you take call me bob before going to other stuff?

Oh 1k

Just saw that lol

[dapper prism]

I did larry the 1.1k, then bob 1k, then back to larry.

[sick sentinel]

Imo chopping stuff before bob so you can actually print atoms

[signal osprey]

Bob

[opaque sun]

Id go larry 110-115 first. Helps to get those others to 90% faster

[bold quiver]

true, getting it to at least 85% is very easy

[opaque sun]

But going 90% on others isnt going to make larry faster

[dapper prism]

Yeh, if you plan on doing larry some time anyways.. then do it first so all your other atoms beneffit from it..

[bold quiver]

dont see the benefit of getting larry t 110-115% first, kinda waste imo

[signal osprey]

Just pick your favorite base stat and atom it until W6

[dapper prism]

No point going 100% larry then 1k+ other bubbles just to go back to larry 110-115% if those other ones could have benefited from it that whole time

[sharp igloo]

I agree larry should be before the others, but i still need 1 more boron level, so I wanna save atoms for that before I use them all on larry

[dapper prism]

Especially 110% since that's only like 4-5 days of atoms

[opaque sun]

More clicks you do with lower larry, means lost opportunities to make clicks with maximum larry

If you plan to raise larry to a certain point, always get that online first

By having others to 90% is not like going to make larry clicks easier

[bold quiver]

meh realistica 110% larry is only 10 extra bubble levels per day

[opaque sun]

only

[sharp igloo]

300 a month adds up

[bold quiver]

so if u waste 5 days to get larry to 110%, u would need a month and a half of upgrades to make up to it

[opaque sun]

Its like saying nblb is just few bubbles a day

[signal osprey]

Which is worth it unless you only plan on playing the game for another month or two

Yeah if you plan to quit in 3 weeks then sure skip larry

[dapper prism]

Yeh, 1.5 months is like no time at all xD

[bold quiver]

id focus on everything else first tho

[opaque sun]

If you are plan to quit the game in 2 mo. Yeah i understand your reasoning

[bold quiver]

more atoms more progression more verything

[opaque sun]

Guy with better larry reaches further than those with lower larry

[bold quiver]

lies

if udont hourly click u are stuck on progression compared to those who do

[signal osprey]

And if you level larry you get more alch levels than if you dont level larry regardless of whether or not you click

[bold quiver]

yeah it pays off in a month and a haf, its decent

[opaque sun]

Well if you do hourly clicks larry further helps that

are you saying you are sooooo gimped, you cant hourly click unless you atom those other bubbles first? then i guess your reasoning makes sense

[sharp igloo]

It pays off in a month and a half, and then every month after that you get 300 free levels a month. Thats 3600 free levels a year. Not too shabby

[signal osprey]

Yeah if you're so early in progression that larry is a struggle then sure I guess that makes sense

But even then prints are so inflated nowadays that its a pretty small window where you have that problem unless you're doing something wrong

[opaque sun]

But at that point, you cant afford 90% particle expensive stuff anyway

[bold quiver]

its very hard getting atoms to lvl up larry first

u dont even have 50 daily atom clicks at that time, its probably at 20 something

[dapper prism]

Depends on the term progression really...
Like, i don't hourly click, yet i have what i need. My samples are more than good enough.
Obviously doing clicks would help damage and better samples, but what would that really do for me atm?

[bold quiver]

damn atoms so slow

[opaque sun]

like what else you gonna level at that point

[signal osprey]

All my homies atom the luck bubble

[bold quiver]

there is absolutely no need to do hourly clicks or anything else for progression

neither larry 110% , its just to get a better number

[opaque sun]

Larry is relatively low in the bubble tier, if you cant afford that, there isnt much else worthy to 90% within affordable range

[bold quiver]

progression wise the dmg and everything else u need is very low

[bold quiver]

only the 2 best skiling bubbles

for all classes

which are way cheaper

and 2nd bubble that is insanely strong

lot of stuff if u cant afford larry

[opaque sun]

sure we not saying ignore that. But that can also wait until larry is online

[sharp igloo]

What do you guys mean by 90%?

[empty berry]

where do i find this mob?

[opaque sun]

90% effectivity of bubble’s hard cap

[bold quiver]

u said there wasnt anything worthy to 90% if u cant do larry, i was saying there were only the strongest skiling bubbles

not much

[dapper prism]

Last mob w4. but u need the prayer big brain on you

[grizzled elk]

last w4 map

[sharp igloo]

Last world 4 map

[opaque sun]

Say if a hardcap bubble goes up to 200% bonus, you would get it to 180% where the diminishing return starts to hit hard

[sharp igloo]

Gotchya. What is 90% for bubble 3?

[bold quiver]

900

[signal osprey]

900

[sharp igloo]

Oh damn okay. No wonder my log samples are so low lol

[bold quiver]

only the best skilling bubbles are below larry kkkkkkk

very affordable for starting atom ppl

[signal osprey]

Yeah bubble 1 is the best skilling bubble

[opaque sun]

But those can wait and can be done better with higher larry

[bold quiver]

huge, imagine 50k extra wisdom there

no way im wastint over 15 days to level larry to almost 1000 just to get 10% extra

[opaque sun]

If you can get 50k wis, you should be way done with particle issues

[signal osprey]

Getting close to 40k wisdom on my normal bubo farming spec

[bold quiver]

rather skyrocket my samples

[dapper prism]

Why would larry 1k take you 15 days?

[bold quiver]

because u have to remember that if u are starting atoms u:
1st - dont even have a lot of atoms being produced and cant do expensive bubbles
2nd - u dont even have 50 daily clicks, only 20 or so

[opaque sun]

Doesnt matter, still larry

[bold quiver]

and getting extra 500 levels on larry while sacrificing increasing your samples size would take a long time

when u could 3-4x your sample in that same time frame

[signal osprey]

You also have to consider when youre gonna sample though

[opaque sun]

Its not like “wow i have surpassed 50, i can larry now”

[signal osprey]

Half of the people in here are lazy as hell and sample every other month

[bold quiver]

thats why i said around 15 days to get the extra 500 levels there =/

[dapper prism]

Still flawed.
Either way, for starters, people would aim for larry 501 because it's the standard to go for. 100%+
So the arguement should be "stay on 501 or go for 1100.

[signal osprey]

Pumping sampling bubbles doesnt help you until you actually take that sample

[opaque sun]

Skilling bubbles does nothing until you sample, so yeah that depends too

[bold quiver]

easy for us that can do 50 daily and have tons of aroms, extremely hard for new players

[dapper prism]

And if you cant push larry then you've lacked and ignored other stuff early on.
Samples really arnt too hard to setup righ

[sharp igloo]

I see what youre saying. If youre only getting 5k atoms a day, it probably makes more sense to increase your samples than to push larry a few levels per day. But if you can afford to use all your daily atoms on larry, I would think that would be a good idea in the long term

[dapper prism]

Like the "fresh w5 and im prinitng 10k oak logs" type of people

[opaque sun]

like its okay using atoms to say dabble into the skilling bubbles few days before you plan to sample

[bold quiver]

yeah 501 is the standard, u sacrifice those days to guarantee 100% 2x clicks

[opaque sun]

But else, its larry

[bold quiver]

imagine going larry 1k then call me bob 1k and only after samples bubbles to atom

[signal osprey]

Sounds like yall need to just level your cooking some more

[bold quiver]

would set u back month

[dapper prism]

Also with each boron upgrade you reset your daily attempts on atoms.

[opaque sun]

100% larry is just an illusion it feels like a nice place to stop, it isnt

[bold quiver]

im doing great at 100 tho '.'

[opaque sun]

Its not even in the 90% range

[bold quiver]

stopped at 101 and never clicked that again, doing great

[opaque sun]

Its good to get bubbles to 90% of hardcap, why stop larry the best bubble before the 90%

[sharp igloo]

I stopped at 101 like a month ago, and since then have never once gotten a triple level up lol

[bold quiver]

cuz i prefer seeing big atoms

sooner

[dapper prism]

And thats good for you, yet you also said "loot value captains are trash and you should only have speed captains even if you have all artifacts already

[bold quiver]

yeah, no point having loot value captains, waste

[opaque sun]

tripping dollars for picking up pennies

[bold quiver]

its like, oh but u are missing 10%. And like, yeah im also missing doing over a ton of hourly clicks daily

once im done 90-95% all skilling bubbles then im getting larry to 110%

[opaque sun]

well your goal is more shortsighted so i wont judge that. Thats your goal

[bold quiver]

not shortsighted, my acc is very strong alrady haha

done with cooking atoms upgrades already, just getting courage to redo a cooking session, the final one!

[short cargo]

If I link a character to Arctis, are they still able to get Lab EXP if I throw them in the lab?

[bold quiver]

nothing else to do with atoms i guess new atom upgrades when!

[dapper prism]

Brave, idk why but every single topic seems to be an arguement between everyone vs you :/

[opaque sun]

By the tine you get your larry to 110%, the guy who had larry earlier will have better skilling bubbles and bigger particle producing is the thing

[bold quiver]

cuz u guys play the game in a very inneficient way most of the time

then since im unorthodox u guys think its crazy

i follow my meta!

[dapper prism]

Yes, im very inefficient
The only single inefficient part for me is not doing hourly clicks

[bold quiver]

yeah i gave up on hourly clicks for a while already

[opaque sun]

we dont mind what you do. Just pointing out what you want isnt matching what you are doing

[signal osprey]

I mind what you do because your bob isnt high enough

[bold quiver]

duuude i need to get that boob to probably 2,5-3k

guys arent leveling fast enough anymore after almost 700

[signal osprey]

Yeah 3k bob is a decent warm up to then push for 10k bob

[bold quiver]

i need speed!

[bold quiver]

i can see that. NO way a 3k can get me to 1K levels decently fast

[signal osprey]

It kinda can

I got to 900 con with a 2700 bob

[bold quiver]

no like, u can get, but i thought it would slow down more

like to me 1K is only good enough for 550, more than that i'd prefer having a 2k bob

[signal osprey]

It does slow down some but as long as you keep DK doing work its still not too bad

[bold quiver]

im already at 697 with 1k, but i felt it was very slow grind from what it could be

[signal osprey]

Still not a reason to not push bob forever though

Its the only bubble I'm going to atom until W6

[bold quiver]

yeah bob is our true lord and savior

[signal osprey]

Regardless of how long that takes

[bold quiver]

3300 levels per month on average if u have larry 110%. i'd say decent

there isnt anything else to atom anyway '.'

[opaque sun]

Slap if you are in the damage gang

25 in bob, 25 in slap is you are undecided

[signal osprey]

The bob enjoyers will reign supreme when the base damage bubbles get nerfed

Quick slaps days are numbered

[bold quiver]

exactly

construction is our only true lord

[opaque sun]

base damage already has a nerf in a way the base mechanic of deminishing returns

[signal osprey]

Yeah but thats offset by the quadratic nature of the bubble

Each point of base damage being less impactful than the last isnt very relevant when each bubble level gives more base damage than the last

[opaque sun]

Im just risk hedging lava on a drunk day may nerf bob for some reason

[signal osprey]

I mean yeah he might we cant really say that he wont for certain

But at the same time theres no obvious reason for him to do so

Whereas infinite damage scaling is a reason to nerf quick slap

As is evidenced by the massacre of weapon power in the past

[opaque sun]

Lava going to ask what is your highest bubble, and more devoted people of bob who answers bob, he is going to nerf bob

[signal osprey]

The thing is quick slap is more popular though

I only know a handful of people devoted to pushing bob infinitely

[bold quiver]

im ready for quick slap nerf

[signal osprey]

I know a lot of people pushing slap every day

[opaque sun]

so im gathering followes of slap to cover the existence of church of bob

[bold quiver]

i can already get over 30T dmg without this bubble, wonder how high it would go if i leveled it

[signal osprey]

Most people do a few hundred bob and stop

Maybe 1-2k

[serene solstice]

#7

[signal osprey]

Don't even need to. I can get like 100T almost on my SB and my quick slap is 20 levels lower than yours

[serene solstice]

game sucks only 2 necklaces

[opaque sun]

Thats the whole point. Try to make it seem the meta is slap so lava looks at that side while bobs safely raises bob quietly

[bold quiver]

kkkkkkkkkk ill keep my mission of never leveling quick slap

is your total building lvl over 2k already? mine is 1826

getting slow to push further than this, everything is costing over 10B

[bold quiver]

hmm what turrets do u keep at trimmed slots?

i keep the TD ones, but i feel like that is kinda meh now that im done with all those to 130

[signal osprey]

Currently the only thing permanently in a trimmed slot is poison

For awhile I had void there too but its scaling gets out of hand very fast

[bold quiver]

i see

[serene solstice]

nice

[signal osprey]

I also always have crystal, DR, and respawn shrines in normal slots as theyre the most relevant shrines

[sharp igloo]

Wow I have been severely underestimating statues lol. I played active on my DK for like 1 day, deposited the beholder statues I got, and my crit rate went from like 160% to 270% lol

[signal osprey]

My clover shrine is a higher building level than my attack shrine lol

[bold quiver]

hugeeeeeeee, im waiting to do some BIG statue deposit also lol

[bold quiver]

lol

i forgot to place the shrine in a spot where my characters reside lol

[sharp igloo]

I wanted to wait till i had all onyx, but I figured what the hell and just went for it lol

[bold quiver]

so they have been at W4 since forever and im not leveling it

they are lvl 19

[signal osprey]

I should hit 21 crystal shrine sometime this week

[bold quiver]

huge

[signal osprey]

And my clover shrine is only 100k progress behind attack shrine. It'll hit 22 first

[sharp igloo]

Should you only check buildings on DK or does it not matter?

[opaque sun]

poison, void, kraken are my trimmed towers

Other towers only contribute for wiz damage, but those 3 has some use in battle (poison damage, kraken frequency, and void upgrade cost)

[signal osprey]

Those are the 3 I ran for awhile but eventually void build cost gets pretty out of hand

I'll probably switch back to it soon but I figured it wouldnt hurt to use its trimmed slot to catch some of the other stuff up for awhile

[opaque sun]

Of the 3, yeah id say void slot is rather utility slot and can used for other buildings time to time

[signal osprey]

Doesnt matter. You get more con progress while playing on DK but who you check buildings on is irrelevant

[opaque sun]

I just check it on DK (warriors only) cuz its now a habit and i havent bothered to verify if checking (lowering the visual numbers) on other classes snapshots to a lower value

[sharp igloo]

Yeah I have like twice as much BR when I check on my DK so I wasnt sure

[opaque sun]

there isnt much reason to risk the possibility of snapshotting on a mage speed

[signal osprey]

Yeah the build rate is higher on warriors but thats the only difference. Your progress will remain constant even if you switch to otehr classes

[opaque sun]

Issue is, im half skeptical of that

Like have not seen someone doing a proper comparison

So just to be “better safe than sorry” i just check and make the visual numbers based on warriors

[fallow elbow]

Do the moles in the w5 boss fight heal if they get to the boss or something?

[clever tundra]

wait so I can only unlink one character per week, not once per character?

I just unlocked goat and it only let me unlink one of my characters to go over to goat

[dapper prism]

Its on a timer actually per mole. But yes

[faint jacinth]

Ancient relic or wizard hat? (both 790 gems)

[dapper prism]

No point in ancient relic if you have that many trash relics non ancient..

[faint jacinth]

Fair point

[zealous niche]

Kill them before they get to kruk and no heal

[dapper prism]

You'd do that if it was like, Fury solo, or maybe max like 1/3 chance on fury

but 1/10 is just eh

[vocal ibex]

is there a cap on big game hunter?

[pure ember]

Iirc around 60%

[vocal ibex]

okay almost can atom it

ty

[pure ember]

Wizard gat. It'd only really worth the gems to ancient the lantern (last artifact)

[pure ember]

Do you have double vials in lab on or off

[vocal ibex]

doot

[pure ember]

Or is it a salt one?

[vocal ibex]

the bubble

in alchemy i was talking about

[pure ember]

There is a vial that reduces price

[vocal ibex]

i believe its on i only have off the one that decreases liquid rate

all others are on

[pure ember]

So if it is off if you are close enough it might Bridge the gap

[untold lintel]

is there a guide for theoretical cap on bubbles, or like reccomended level before it gets to tiny incriments if that makes sense

[opaque sun]

https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1087501872002256966

[pulsar cliff]

I use idleon toolbox for that.

[untold lintel]

the first sentence is the exact wording I used in a question form lol, thank u

[opaque sun]

People aim for 90% of the effectivity. Say if a bubble hard caps at 200% bonus, you aim roughly around 180% bonus

At what level bubble reaches 90% effect depends on the bubble but its like around 500-1500 ish

[upper hornet]

!gear

[obtuse orbit]

Gear Recommendations

[clever viper]

I imagine a wizard in the classic robes and hat, but with a gun in hand.

[opaque sun]

4000 RPM magic missile gat

[glossy pagoda]

this game needs guns ngl

for the bm

[zealous niche]

NBLB pulls through! Mr Massacre is finally eligible for atoms

Aaaaawwww yeah!

[coral goblet]

hmmm rando or crystal island for 4th

candies seem nice idk what rando gives

[dapper prism]

crystal ftw

rando was for random events, free weekly one, slab stuff, better DR if you invest bottles or something

[zealous niche]

The crystals on crystal island seem to give massive class exp

My vman has gotten a few levels each day from them

[dapper prism]

oh i should try that 😄

[coral goblet]

dope

[zealous niche]

Keep forgetting to do the exp active cards too 🫠

But, vman with choc chip and CCD is farming that island for me, has been good

Not game changing but still useful

[opaque sun]

First time to ever see someone who bothered to care about exp from crystal island

[pulsar cliff]

Finally made some prog on Clash of Cans. Which is helpful cause the vial for these souls is sucking lol

[manic moat]

Just unlocked the gaming snail, any tips for best practices?

[sick sentinel]

Yolo

Encourage is a scam most of the time

[manic moat]

lol

[vagrant mountain]

wtf

[sick sentinel]

Only really useful rn on lvl 19

[clear quartz]

scamba

[sick sentinel]

Cause of the atom upgrade that is

[pure spindle]

How do i move my gaming from 1b green bit per claim to 10b

Can share idleoneff if it helps i just need this snail

Bren plateau’d for weeks now

[sick sentinel]

Sailing artifacts, superbits, rng nug

Achievement superbit is pretty strong

[bright current]

I think some of my eggs are sick

[true obsidian]

does this quest consume statue?

[manic moat]

just need then to drop from monsters

[bright current]

forgive me ignorance, but you arent turning them into to him?

ur jsut picking them up?

[opaque sun]

Its just counting the drops it made, not turning in statue

[empty ridge]

It only counts active play right?

[opaque sun]

can be like say chopping statues from dreadlo ores

[lethal kindle]

Afk gains one count too, but 100k from afk gains...?

[opaque sun]

for non DK, its easier to just candy on dreadlo ores for 100k statues

[dapper prism]

No since it has nothing to do with handing in. It's just about getting them. and any statues count.

[swift pecan]

https://mclovin0935.idleonefficiency.com/ Is there anything I'm overlooking. Kind of just wanting to make sure i'm doing what needs done somewhat.

[opaque sun]

larry can get some more love to like 110-115%

[swift pecan]

Noted, thanks.

I'll throw particle upgrades at if for a few days.

[opaque sun]

also maybe consider doing ES active farming (and vman speed run samples) to finish up those mob material vials.

[swift pecan]

That was kind of my plan after i finish up onyx statue farming. Get the boa one up to 100% then deposit all the excess statues ill have farmed.

[north juniper]

I remember when I always wanted the lucky lad trophy. Now I'm close to adding it to the dang filter.

[swift pecan]

Nooo snail reset from level 9 to 5 😦

[dapper prism]

Bit off-topic but...

Yay I have reached Tee Hee 16! 🥳
https://i.imgur.com/vRZZ9UU.png

[opaque sun]

time to claim trophy and uninstall IS

[dapper prism]

Still forced to wait 2 weeks for the trophy though. 😦
So the question remains, to sample now or wait an extra 2 weeks xD

[opaque sun]

Depends how long your last samples was

[swift pecan]

That trophy is a pain for sure.

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/zJeuUHC.png

And it wasnt even a proper sample xD

[swift pecan]

Wait 2 weeks and do a min-max sample?

[dapper prism]

Only did 2 mages back then to see if i could hit the 1b mark for the fun.

[swift pecan]

Saying that as I never do a true min-max sample.

[dapper prism]

I usually only do them, not really much of a difference when setting stuff up and can be a lot better

Fun thing, i will be getting that trophy 1 day before im gone for ~2 weeks

So definetely should try and sample then if i still have the time 🤔

Also need to figure out where to leave my alts for that time, might just do like 9/10 gmush, vman skilling, not sure

[swift pecan]

I try and do as close to min-max as I can, but afterwords I always remember I forgot something and don't want go back. Gmush kills are probably a good thing. Can't have to much money, my kills are lacking.

[dapper prism]

I have an easy strat for sampling, hard to honestly forget something. The main thing is to NOT do samples 1 by 1.

[swift pecan]

I'm at the point where I need to get alchemy bubbles up alot to make big differences in my samples, so I'm not doing them as much as I probably should.

[dapper prism]

How I sample:
I move all food and items i will need in storage to last page.
I then setup all the things i can on every alt before i even do my samples. Like starsign, cards, cardset, obols (effy), prayers, talent preset, gear etc. (alchemy bubble companion, god/lab = doot)
Then I focus 1 class type each. Meaning I will sample each mage, then each warri.

With each alt the only thing i have to then check is equip food, cape/hat/trophy/chains, chips, final obols. compared to having to remember the 1823812 different things each time, it's just those 3 things.

[heavy siren]

Im on lava lamps and progress is so slow how do I get more damage?

[dapper prism]

Maybe go for actually getting better gear, but typically it will be a lack of alchemy

[lapis mesa]

14 mil damage on lamps.. and i was complaining about only having 500 mil when i got there.. neat

[dapper prism]

Whats your afk info look like?

[heavy siren]

Lemme check

[swift pecan]

That's actually a pretty solid plan for sampling, probably does actually make things easier.

[dapper prism]

For the storage last tab ill also allign the food in order.

[green eagle]

imma just tell you that the 3 things you're doing wrong will always be alchemy, stamps and cooking

[heavy siren]

2k kills per hour💀

[cold jackal]

stop playing bb lol

[green eagle]

(work on alchemy now, and everything else in the former worlds)

[dapper prism]

and you're on nobi and stuff? or don't even have that yet?
Also yes.. DONT push on BB. useless class.

[green eagle]

his problem is NOT just playing BB

that's all BB does is afk push lmao

[dapper prism]

great catch

[cold jackal]

i beat kruk just before with 50mil lol

[green eagle]

that and cook

[dapper prism]

I know it's not his problem for dmg. But BB is a terrible class to focus on as first push. 0 purpose to be pushed.
As you need and want Bubo and DK pretty much

[lapis mesa]

i stopped on w5 pushing for an extended time just to go alchemy and cooking

[proud pumice]

is is worth it to push divinity after unlocking omni? i'm debating if after i reach lvl 40 divinity on everyone i should set everyone on tranqui and equip my lab rats with omni or if i should just unlock all 8/10 gods before starting to use omni

[green eagle]

you can definitely work hard on the things i've mentioned, that is just the first thing you need to do

[lapis mesa]

got as far as citringe just for bubo CC

finally got to kruk like, day before yesterday lol

[dapper prism]

Once you are in W5, and you do/did Divinity. You want to active Backtrack.
Here are some things you could check/do:
https://i.imgur.com/lBhYK5z.png

[lapis mesa]

killed him a couple times so i can technically start w6 when it happens, then havent been back

[dapper prism]

Also rushing for kruk itself doesn't really do much/anything unless you took a break and have excess salts and are already on troll gear.

[sharp igloo]

What rank is your salt 1 just out of curiousity?

[fast grail]

Not high enough

[true obsidian]

does 9.5 drop rate is the threshold or something? last night i grow from 9.3 -> 9.74 and somehow i got overwhelming drop when leave my DK active overnight, which isn't cause lagging the day before but this morning it super laggy because there're tons of drop

[vagrant mountain]

yes

[sharp igloo]

No, you can get up to 20+ I think. Im at like 16 rn

[opaque sun]

dr break point depends on the item’s base drop chance

dr break point on money is just more clear as money is 1/2 base drop chance universally

[sharp igloo]

Filter out the main drop from whatever mob youre at in the card>filter area and you wont lag

[true obsidian]

i think my bad english get you misundertood, i ask if x9.5+ drop rate is break point or something like that, like under 9.5 it drop 50 but above 9.5 it drop 100, not the limit of drop rate

[sharp igloo]

I dont think theres a breakpoint at 9.5. Youll get money breakpoints at 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, etc, but other than that no

[opaque sun]

for some items that reaches a full integer for multiplying the base chance with 9.5, yes ites a break point. Else its not

It depends on what item you are talking about

[true obsidian]

i'm active at Bean btw

[opaque sun]

afk you mean active right

[true obsidian]

ah yes.

sorry

[opaque sun]

Orb also changes lot of the break point threshold, so on that beans, 9.5 dr has nothing special than 9.49x

[true obsidian]

or active afk if you like this word

[opaque sun]

No body actively stay at keyboard when doing active farmig

[lapis mesa]

you dont watch your pixels?

[opaque sun]

so active is fine. Use of the word “afk” is just confusing when the game uses the term afk for other means

[true obsidian]

which world or which map give most statue? i know this should be done today but i still want to speed up process

[obtuse minnow]

im too busy playing dark and darker to watch my pixels

[sharp igloo]

Work in Progress. Feel free to give me notes to add or things to fix, since i'm still doing the quest myself.

W4: ONYX STATUE QUEST + TIPS
Quest NPC: Monolith, W4 Flombeige:
You will need: 17 different types Statues in inventory, 20k POWER Statues

• Bring 20k Power statues to the w4 Monolith for the quest. These Statues will be consumed and unlock the onyx power. (Says collect, but you can grind it on DK and hand it over to other alts.)

• You get Power statues best from killing crystals in W1, best map is Beans.

• Best class is active DK, since his Orb DR is the only one that affects crystals. Candy won't help since crystals don't spawn afk. Max your crystal rate: W4 Genie Cards, W1 Poop cards, chip card doubler, Choco chip, Stamp, PO Box + Star Talent for DR/Crystal.

• The quest is NOT account wide. But unlocked onyx statue benefits are.

• WARNING: Once you receive the Onyx chisel, even though you unlocked onyx power statue from the quest. You still have to drop the onyx chisel at the feet of the W1 Statue NPC. If you lose an onyx chisel, you will essentially lock yourself out from progressing (unlocking new onyx statues) on 1 of your alts, they still get benefits!

UNLOCK ONYX STATUES

• To unlock other Onyx statues it will requires 20k of that statue type.
• You DROP these 20k Statues of each type at the feet of w1 Statue NPC, these are consumed! Do NOT hand them in!
• Onyx Statue benefits are account wide once the quest is complete on any one character.
• You will only be able to unlock new onyx statues on the alts that completed the quest.

STRATEGY + MORE

• Each onyx statue unlocked increases the progress of deposited statues by 10%. Meaning if you have 5x onyx statues unlocked, you are getting 50% more progress on deposited statues .(Excluding the math on other modifiers like snake skin vial)
• Best strategy, before depositing any statues is to unlock as many onyx statues as you can. Best even all. Deposite or hold all the others until this is done. Only then, deposit your statues. Preferably with snakeskin vial at 100%+ statue progress.

Obtaining Statues (Work in Progress, Orange not Tested yet)
https://i.imgur.com/XCtdpf5.png

Testing Stats and Notes:
https://i.imgur.com/qKGzja4.png

Testing Results:
https://i.imgur.com/8T08eKW.png

Idk how to ping pins, but this was from @dapper prism

[true obsidian]

he already pin it

[rotund rivet]

I think I saw something like a better version of this, where can I find it?

[sharp igloo]

Yeah, I just didnt know how to make a link to that pin lol

[modern plaza]

one thing, best map for power statues is Beans as you said, but consider doing Walking Sticks to also farm both power statues and Bullseye statues (which take forever)

[sharp igloo]

Might be worth it. I just did beans for power, and now im doing wood mush on ES for bullseye

[true obsidian]

so these statue need ES active? not DK?

[vagrant mountain]

you will get significantly less statues at walking sticks

too many platforms

[hybrid halo]

Wood mushrooms on ES for bulls eye statue

[true obsidian]

urgh...so many thing to remember and do in this game, gladly i'm not that new, if i first time play this game today, i would quit it... :<

[wheat umbra]

hey yall question--I haven't yet purchased the 2B green bits upgrade, does that mean that my max evo's per plant is 5? or 6?

[hybrid halo]

5

[vagrant mountain]

you can check on the evolution screen

[wheat umbra]

oh you're totally right!!

tysm

[true obsidian]

what this book do?

[hybrid halo]

% multikill per unique onyx statue

[dapper prism]

+450% at 150/150 star talent with 25/25 onyx. This is base mk, not mk/tier btw

[zealous niche]

I think kruk stones would be better along the same lines

[zealous niche]

% base multikill*

[lavish grotto]

How much class exp does this give? Also, would exp from monsters not affect this

[dapper prism]

Believe it was changed or scales down once you hit a certain level. But i recall it used to be ~20% at low levels, and the minimum it seems to hit is 10%

At least I can confirm that from around 450's to 530's its still 10% of a level.

[lavish grotto]

Sounds like it’s not very huge at any stage of the game…

[zealous niche]

10% of higher levels is good, but the problem is the longer you wait to use it, the better it is, but the longer you wait, the longer you’re not boosted for too

[sick sentinel]

comes in handy when you need a few levels to get to 425 or 450 for the kattle scarf/trophy

[coral falcon]

umm is purchasing the "no more praying" gaming upgrade a bad idea

cause i think my giant prayer doesnt work anymore

[dapper prism]

its actually pretty good early game, and also for fresh w5 people once they unlock mk for w5.

It's a terrible prayer to use

[sick sentinel]

no more praying is bad, but it doesnt hurt to buy it

[dapper prism]

and yeh giants dont work with it

[lavish grotto]

It was so bad of an idea that 2 people did 8 reactions that were all “no”

When I asked about it

[dapper prism]

Only time "worth" using ever would kinda be colo2

[sick sentinel]

dont you need to buy it to get ther next ones

[dapper prism]

yeh

You buy it either way, but no need to "rush" it kinda thing

just get it when it's cheap

[lavish grotto]

But for not early game, one time candy is more valuable

[modern plaza]

i'm saving mine for w8 lol

[coral falcon]

why does the giant chance disappear tho

[sick sentinel]

cause its also the curse

[modern plaza]

kinda crazy that the "end game" trophy is lvl 450 already since you aren't even near that your first run through w5, maybe 300 or so assuming you're brand new

[coral falcon]

no i mean i have the prayer equiped so that upgrade shouldnt be working

[modern plaza]

like is w6 gonna be balanced to assuming 1 run thru w5 or been at w5 for 3months

[coral falcon]

yet the chance is still missing and i actived for 5 mins with no spawns on a weekly reset

[sick sentinel]

have you tried cloudsaving? and the prayer is equipped right

[dapper prism]

Not sure what the relationship would be with that at all

[sick sentinel]

who knows, but i assume it will just follow the same scaling as previous worlds

[dapper prism]

Thats what others assume, and that portals and things would receive a nerf like other ones

[sick sentinel]

maybe equip another prayer

might be something weird with only having giants prayer on

since the benefit and curse are the same

[coral falcon]

alr ty for the help

[exotic juniper]

so whole point of kattlekruk god is the total dmg, right? I'm not missing anything? i wouldnt assign him to anyone?

🙏

[pearl cedar]

Crystal island gives good exp right?

[zealous niche]

The blessing is always on. The link bonuses, of which there are none, is what you’d get for joining to kruk

[zealous niche]

I found it nice, not major, but a nice bonus

[pearl cedar]

Want to play around with something tomorrow on my reset when I unlock it

Gonna buy out killroy crystals and use chocco chip om the island see what I get

Exp wise

[vagrant mountain]

I will await your results

[pearl cedar]

Do you know if the different worlds crystal give different exp?

[dapper prism]

crystal xp is based on map mob

[pearl cedar]

Crystal island

[dapper prism]

Not sure how it would work there, but also kinda irrelevant since you cant change or do anything that would affect crystal island. Except wear like active XP cards to maximize gains.
Unless it's based on highest zone reached 🤷

[pearl cedar]

Well the crystals can spawn each world crystal yes? I would think giant crystal hampter gives better exp than carrot, but not sure

[dapper prism]

Maybe. But my point would still be that there's nothing you can do to influence it anyways since it randomly spawns 2-3 crystals. So it wouldn't really matter much. Could easily enter crystal island once and see if they give the same xp
At least for us w5 people ig. Unless if for a w2 player it only spawns either w1-2. (e.g. highest zone reached)

[pearl cedar]

Yeah I know, I'm just trying to maximize exp with my experiment. I mean I'll probably just kill the highest world one that's available anyways, just wondering if it is necessary

[dapper prism]

What do you mean?

You will kill all the crystal giants. why only the highest ones?

[fresh plank]

Any guides for best fishing hooks and lines for the new fishes?

[pearl cedar]

Going to buy out crystals on killroy (not sure if this will work) and since crystal exp and what not are based on mob killed the higher the mob killed then the stronger the crystals that spawn.

Obviously I'm going to kill all of them, just want to maximize gains if the killroy thing works

[dapper prism]

Doubt it, since crystal island isnt an actual crystal, its Crystal giants 🤷
Same as when u have choco chip and kill the stuff on the island, it just spawns regular crystals.

[pearl cedar]

Right I don't expect them to spawn crystal giants just regular crystals

Will find out tomorrow nbd

[opaque sun]

crystal island probably has some innate mob that determines the base exp. We just dont know what that is

[vagrant mountain]

it could also just scale with your level

[lavish quiver]

64.6k nugget -> 64.7k nugget ... why bother lol

[dapper prism]

at least it's a 50k+ nugget 😦

[lavish quiver]

id be happy to give it away

[dapper prism]

Mine went 10k, 13k, 15k, 17k, 18k xD

[elfin flicker]

Barely hitting 1k nugget in weeks lol

[barren otter]

imagine not having a 497k nug

[lavish quiver]

Sounds like mine then went 64k

You got that?

[barren otter]

oh it was 493k

nah someone else did a few days ago

[lavish quiver]

I was gone for a while and remember looking in on my phone and seeing someone talking about that

[barren otter]

#achievement-pics message

[lavish quiver]

Wow, nice might as well not hit the shovel ever again

[barren otter]

i hit my biggest nug and then a few days after finished up all of the reasonably attainable superbits

so its kinda just no point in doing gaming much anymore

kinda sad

[zealous niche]

Stuck on the same sized nug for months..

[fast grail]

Been stuck on a 23k for ~3 months

[dapper prism]

Are spice and moar bubbles attainable?
https://i.imgur.com/2Ep4uj7.png

My gaming has looked like this for weeks now..
https://i.imgur.com/LYTXoaY.png

lol guess that cacti in the middle just got replaced again
https://i.imgur.com/nPvKbm5.png

[barren otter]

dude I was gonna go for them

and I've reset to 10 3 times now

so those superbits just don't exist to me anymore

t7s obviously doable

idk about 800T

that's a little too crazy

[dapper prism]

Yeh id have to save up for t7

[barren otter]

maybe lvl 20 snail?

[dapper prism]

I'd definitely need a better nugget to get to anything higher than t7 unlock

[rotund rivet]

does every mob in w1 drop power statues? for offline farming

[placid mural]

i really appreciate the anvil getting to this point lol

[dapper prism]

No, barely nothing drops it. Wiki has that info, but also that would be extremely slow and inefficient

[dapper prism]

That cap is insanly high o.o

[placid mural]

yeah, honestly not sure why it is so high

ive been putting into speed always

or at least for a very long time

[rotund rivet]

thank you

[rotund rivet]

first time I saw 0 points left

[dapper prism]

Could just reset it once (if needed)

[daring ravine]

Its based on your mat cap anyway

[dapper prism]

True, but 72m does hint at a bunch of points in cap?

[placid mural]

did some readjusting

its a hell of a capacity loss for only a 20% speed gain

[barren otter]

the cap space scales a lot better than speed

I didn't lose that much speed getting everyone to 50mil cap

and should gain that speed back soon with more hammer clicks

[placid mural]

[barren otter]

mines half that lol

[placid mural]

[barren otter]

[placid mural]

lol

[barren otter]

see you at hourly luck clicks

a year from now

[placid mural]

hahaha

[opaque sun]

eventually speed will cap out anvil anyway, so the meta becomes to invest all into cap. Maybe like in w7 or so

[manic forum]

!help

[obtuse orbit]

Commands Plugin

Create your own text commands and commands that give specific roles

!acme (optional text)
Idleon - Negative anvil is not a bug

!afkinfo (optional text)
Idleon - AFK breakdown

!anvil (optional text)
Idleon - Multiply Anvil Description.

!baba (optional text)
Idleon - Baba info

!baban (optional text)

!berry (optional text)
!berry

!birthdaydrop (optional text)
Idleon - Rewards from "It's your birthday!"

!bread (optional text)

!catchchart (optional text)
Catching Build? Yes!

!chopchart (optional text)
Choppin' Build? Yes!

!chow (optional text)
Idleon - Chow explanation (berserk skill)

!classes (optional text)
What to do, what to pick

!crystal (optional text)
Idleon - Crystal mob info

!deathnote (optional text)
Idleon - Death Note info

!despawn (optional text)
Why do items disappear if I leave for a month????

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[dapper prism]

#bot-commands

[manic forum]

!catchchart

[misty crown]

just luckily got a king doot how does the interaction between arctis and goharut work now?

[opaque sun]

goat needs physical presence in lab

so same as before you got doot with ES

[misty crown]

what does elemental sorcerer have to do with king doot?

how does it help?

[opaque sun]

ES was able to wear 2 gods

getting doot is nothing different in terms of arctis and goharut interaction with ES

goat needs physical presence in lab, arctis doesnt count as physically being in lab

[misty crown]

i see thanks

[granite grove]

just think as arctis giving free lab “connections”, without being in lab

while goharut is free div link if and only if in lab

[mild merlin]

Yay arctis

Damn these blessings seem pretty good I have now 50% extra div combined

[fast grail]

Time to make the best stingers there have ever been, pray for me

[pure yarrow]

havent started pushing w5, what class should i use once i start? bubo?

[fast grail]

Bubo is fastest active pusher, SB/ES faster AFK pushers

[dapper prism]

Bubo and DK the only ones with a purpose to be last zone w5

[opaque sun]

and chopper and catcher for the skill nodes in between

[fast grail]

behold

[dapper prism]

How many? xD

[fast grail]

Was actually the very first 3 slot +12 wis, took like 6 inventories to get one of them, got tons of +11 and +9

[opaque sun]

boss stone?

[fast grail]

yep

[opaque sun]

My boss-ed gloves are 18 so yeah checks out

[fast grail]

~25% chance to hit all 3 stones, better than the monstrousity that was the perfect steel bands

[opaque sun]

+12 serrated rex rings might be worth it looking at that

[barren otter]

why did you have to say that

...

[fast grail]

Yeah, not really gonna be using fluros for anything else

But honestly, to get even a single set of those will take a while

Actually wont be too insane, because you are looking for +12 of wis/agi/str, not just wis like i was doing with these

[opaque sun]

if i was to do it, ill probably do +12 serrated with w5 stones

[barren otter]

get 2 +12 serrated and hit 4/4 boss stone

gotcha

[opaque sun]

If the 12 hits another stat, you can still use that for that stat so its not too bad i suppose

[fast grail]

Glove gives me +450 wis over my previous weapon (no stoned spear)

[barren otter]

yea but its more so getting 2 +12s 4/4s for a single stat

which is low odds to begin with

[opaque sun]

If you lower the bar of boss stones to w5 stone compromise, wont be too bad

Boss stone max max will be a bit rough

[barren otter]

yea for sure

[fast grail]

Think all my current serrated rex rings are w4 stoned anyways

[barren otter]

i havent even really bothered remaking all of my rex rings yet either

yea mine are w4

[opaque sun]

Just something to consider

[barren otter]

49 str/agi/dex rex ring would be pretty nice though

[safe tangle]

What’s best way to farm fish statues

[opaque sun]

w2 catching

best way is like the only way

[safe tangle]

Dam gonna take a while

[opaque sun]

Use catching food and just use some candies and 20k will be quick

[mild merlin]

LETS GOO I got nobi almost immediately after bear

We're on a roll baybee

I could've sworn 3rd god was harriep tho

[feral whale]

i have the same luck on 6 and 7 gods)) 1% chance is good)

[mild merlin]

Well uh I got both with 25% chance so I feel abit like a normie

[feral whale]

i hate to have very good luck in one things and very bad on others(

i want king doot pet😭

[twin token]

What percent do I roll Chem at

[daring ravine]

Whenever

[twin token]

N

There's no optimal percent?

[opaque sun]

The lowest is the optimal

[twin token]

Oh ok

So take one plant roll take another roll

[opaque sun]

its better to do 100 tries of 0.1% than 5 tries of 0.3%

[twin token]

Gaming is so fun and skill based

[opaque sun]

snail and nugget so skill (luck) dependent

[twin token]

Ikr it's so enjoyable

[feral whale]

still dont open Snail -_- too expensive for now

[daring ravine]

I swear to god the moment i get a bigger nugget than 66 is when its the minimum
Im going mental

[feral whale]

yeah nuggets way to random

[wind trellis]

how do you unlock starfire mining? 👀 I can't find anything online, the portal is there but I cannot enter it

[twin token]

It's a fake portal

U need to unlock the other portal in the room

[wind trellis]

heck

was I tricked?

[twin token]

Yes

[wind trellis]

ight time to pull up the time candy

thank

[twin token]

Ye

[pure yarrow]

what should i do with my bubo with this damage? im currently pushing suggmas but its so slow idk if its efficient enough

[lavish grotto]

Considering how much divinity will have to be done, is there a reason why this isn’t S/T1 on gemshop tier lists?

[opaque sun]

Because divinity reaches the end quite fast

[zenith cape]

Yea divinity is pretty fast if you have everyone on it

I just got the yellow bug yesterday.

[lavish grotto]

I think it’s slow cuz of the low amount of monsters, this divine knight reached molti’s and has this at suggmas

[zenith cape]

I do have 1 sparkie tho

[opaque sun]

while sailing and gaming have like post game grinding, divinity doesnt have much post game stuff

[lavish grotto]

Guess that’s fair since to level the bonuses for gods you literally need things from other places

Is it worth buying a couple more sparklies though

[frank sable]

anybody can help with captial P and S quest

[opaque sun]

it wont be a waste, but also not mandatory

[frank sable]

its my last stamp

[opaque sun]

so sparkie stays on that tier

[clear quartz]

i need to go try to farm up that glove, speaking of suggmas

recipe rather

3 ish more days of farming for bullseye statues, how long did it take everyone else? guessing im still trying for this too early

[opaque sun]

Like 5 minutes

[clear quartz]

candy route im guessing?

[opaque sun]

Yeah candy

Dont remeber exactly but maybe like 200-300 hrs worth or so

[clear quartz]

oof, 7 statues per 1hr candy

[opaque sun]

sounds like bad dr and/or afk gain

[clear quartz]

oh right afk gain

im so bad at using afk, probably why im severely behind considering my playtime

but yeah dr is kinda bad, 13.89x

up to 11 now per 1hr so "better", but still pretty bad

[raven fog]

How to farm ocean man statues

I am missing it and the one to farm woth es

[opaque sun]

W2 catching, any node is fine

[raven fog]

I tried

I did

24 hours

And got like

700

That’s too low

Is that normal

[opaque sun]

lava removed the drop table from crystals when he added tutorial hat drops

[opaque sun]

Pretty much

Using proper catching food (tool speed) and afk gain and dr helps

[raven fog]

Why

[raven fog]

Catching speed matter

So might as well use my sb

[opaque sun]

He wanted to add hat drops, who know why he had to touch the fish statue table

[raven fog]

Is all ur statuses onyx

[opaque sun]

Its been onyx after like after 5 days of release yes

[raven fog]

Why did he never fix it

[opaque sun]

who knows, it was intentional

[raven fog]

Oh i am missing ocean man

Than i will dump all the statues i was farming

To get that 10%

[zenith cape]

Does vman level up fast by any chance?

[opaque sun]

he is like “okay” level in terms of class levels speed

[iron mesa]

And maybe Lava just missclicked as with silver str obols

[zenith cape]

I'm about to unlock him soon.

[opaque sun]

Not the worst, but not the best. Like in the middle of class exp farming

[zenith cape]

I hope lava misclicks and we can get obol fragments super easy side from breaking obols

[opaque sun]

If comparing to mman, vman levels up almost the same speed as mman

Most of exp related stuff of vman is already completed with mman

[zenith cape]

Rats

[iron mesa]

Rats, rats, we are the rats

[raven fog]

!guide

[obtuse orbit]

In progress guide to everything about Idleon. Has builds and explanation on early mechanics
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18BpkkUGPSznTOvEMenognPllGvjTchAkcvHUKqrcu64/edit?usp=drivesdk
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[raven fog]

Where is the old one

[zenith nova]

Is there a DK rare farming guide or chart or something? Trying to figure out what I need to do to farm black lenses

[pallid forum]

es with good drop rate

[zenith nova]

Maybe I've got it the wrong way around but I thought DK was better for rare items

[pallid forum]

if 1st page of card es if you to the bags dk

[zenith nova]

Ahh got you

Right so use ES

[opaque sun]

its not the rarity of items, its who drops them

DK is good at stuff crystals drops. ES is good at stuff the mob drops

It just happens to be that crystals got lot of rare item tables

[pallid forum]

wich one to craft i am an es main and this fat to w5 with full chizoar or do i go to lustre

[pallid forum]

ohh ok thx because i thought if you go to the bags that is dk territory

[opaque sun]

Lot of misinformation comes from people recommend DK for statues and gold food which mostly comes from crystals, and some people misunderstand that DK is strictly good at rare items

[zenith nova]

Gotcha. So are there things I can do to improve drop rate for things from mobs?

[opaque sun]

For ES, its basically just dr and not to use midas (hp increasing prayer curses)

[pallid forum]

help^

[opaque sun]

And its not practical for me to list all 500 sources of drop rate, so use idleon insight to figure what you can do to raise drop rate

[opaque sun]

Honestly it doesn’t matter much which you make

[pearl rover]

Which classes prefer wearing Magma gear over the boss gear? I remember someone had a mini list.

[fast grail]

Bubo wears full magma with no hybrid

[opaque sun]

If the misc stat applies for the task it does, divine. If not magma

its not what class, but what job you plan for him to do

[pearl rover]

Fair.

[opaque sun]

Active farming like wearing divine head and foot for the dr, while respawn on body and pants are irrelevant for active

But for afk fighters, respawn effectively acts like afk gain so they want divine body and pants

And tasks that doesnt involve item drops obviously has no use with drop rate

[pallid forum]

wich to make first

[opaque sun]

as said, honestly doesnt matter. But if you really cant decide, just know that staff’s respawn also affects afk farming while boots wont make much difference

[pallid forum]

wich will make dps go burr

this is my afk dps rn

[viral snow]

Alchemy will

[opaque sun]

that what ive been saying. The dps differnece between those options isnt that big. But if you keep asking just make weapon as it offers more utilities

[pearl rover]

Should really try and get Chizoars scarf when you can, big dps increase for you.

[pallid forum]

do you have a Vman build to help me get it

[opaque sun]

its more of your general drop rate than a vman build

[viral snow]

You dont need vman to get it tho
Unless your vman has double your DR

[pearl rover]

If you cant 1 punch it, just go on any char and farm till you get it

[pallid forum]

wich vertion

[pearl rover]

The caustic version, its upgrade materials are just the bosses materials so its a simple upgrade

[viral snow]

Normal has the best chance/key

[pearl rover]

O sorry misunderstood

[opaque sun]

normal has more likely hood of per keys, but takes more irl time

so depends which you value most. Keys or irl time

[pallid forum]

i think my es can ohko it

[opaque sun]

You need to do chaotic+ to upgrade it anyway tho

[viral snow]

I would just spam normal and then do a few chaotic to get the required materials

[pallid forum]

i got the mats allready just need scarf

[opaque sun]

then its just a question of keys or irl time

[pearl rover]

Also need to farm both for the bosses cards passive anyways, so yeah start with singles. Max the card, then go to chaotic youll probably have a few scarfs by then

[pallid forum]

thx

[clear quartz]

i need to work on the bossu cards probably, specifically troll is hurtn a bit

[pallid forum]

at a point troll doze not start with sheild

[barren otter]

im free

[ancient vine]

Congrats

[clear quartz]

sailing will now be... a relic of the past

[barren otter]

its hourly big P time

[clear quartz]

stamp discount i think will be my big source of drop for a bit longer, unless i get lucky with molten cloak showing up in gem shop i think im semi stuck for awhile

errr i guess once i get choccie shiny thatll be a tiny bit more too after a few weeks lol

[barren otter]

yea im capped on drop as well

in a day i max out trove sigil which puts me at 20.8x

but after that im kinda lost on what else to do

[solid epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/gIMY8eH.png

do this one lol

[barren otter]

ill do it in a few months

😉

[clear quartz]

oh wow, i guess i have a fair bit to wring out of alch then

oh, and more drop from plunderous, i suppose that could help

[pearl rover]

How much sigil xp boost do you have bought? Just thinking about getting started on that.

[barren otter]

recently bought all

[pearl rover]

I c, seems necessary.

As an aside, is their a practical way to get these weapon drops from dungeons? Or just RNG? Missing quite a few for slab

[willow sorrel]

spam buy the weapons at the end of dungeon run

with left over gold

[pearl rover]

I do that.

But I only do the 1 a week, might need to spam solo sessions.

[willow sorrel]

u get most gold from the stage 4 grandfrog guys, the last stage monsters idk wt they're called

[opaque sun]

dungeon weapon slab is just matter of get the weapon upgrade and run a respective class of the missing weapon

[barren otter]

do you even have those tiers unlocked?

[opaque sun]

And at the end of the dungeon run, just spam the weapon purchase

[untold leaf]

You could do w3 dungeon and just kill thousands of neptuneyes. It eventually escalates to the higher level weapons

[pearl rover]

Sorry went afk a bit, but this was it. I didnt realize the weapon upgrade was also a weapon cap. I'm capped at tier 3 thus why im missing all of that.

[willow sorrel]

do library checkouts have a cap at 99?

[wicked cobalt]

Does Mantra just not show in the divinity per character screen?

[granite condor]

@wicked cobalt It creates zero points, so there’s nothing to show

[wicked cobalt]

ye but i mean it doesnt show that the other characters gain 1xp more?

[granite condor]

No, it only shows points unfortunately

[wicked cobalt]

ah oke ty

[opaque sun]

mantra shared exp directly gets added so it doesnt show on afk claim menu

But those shared exp are generated so dont worry

[zealous niche]

You only ever get equipment equal to or greater than the rarity you’re wearing.

So for weapons if it’s higher than what you’ve got, equip it, even if there’s a damage loss.

[feral whale]

my first star coin yeah

[zinc torrent]

ayo this shit does quick now

[paper sail]

1 week certainly faster than 5+

[zenith cape]

So with God's it says they're all linked but only shows the snake. Do I have to unlink and then link again to change the God on the title screen?

[paper sail]

Not sure I understand the question

[teal lynx]

Do you have Doot?

[teal lynx]

I know what he means. Just need to get Doot out of the Equation

You probably have this Unlink Botton on all Gods you click on, right?

This doesn't mean you are linked to that God. Just that you are linked to 1 God. If you click on that Unlink Button you can Unlink xy Character and choose another God afterwards. You are linked to Snake atm and that's why you see snake on your Homescreen
If you have Doot it doesn't matter what you are linked to. Just have 1 on Purrmep if you unlock him eventually

[tame walrus]

o boy big GAINS

[pastel bramble]

is it better exp to let eggs evolve or use them asap 🤔

[paper sail]

ASAP

[pastel bramble]

ok thanks 😄

level 80 gonna take MONTHS 😄

maybe even a year

[paper sail]

Farming Eggs from w4 Colo with DK is (about) the only way to speed it up

[pastel bramble]

yeah i do that already

but its damn slow

[teal lynx]

Active BM

[pastel bramble]

stamp is incredibly expensive to farm too

[clear quartz]

1269 particles earned a day, barring getting lucky on my elephant rolls and getting moar i think i need like.... maybe double that to think about using all my daily particle upgrades

or i guess i could spam particles on the base stat ones i suppose

[paper sail]

I'd recommend leaning into WIS if you're going to do that

Better log samples, reach hourly clicks on Orange1 and Purple1 faster

[clear quartz]

thats what i was thinkin, logs seems to be where its at

id like to get hocus choppus in range but i think ill have to do some candying with sb and spam some nails or somethin

[paper sail]

It's a good target to 90% discount

[clear quartz]

when i get my next 20book in a few hours i think ill do another vman sampling run, then see if i can do some troll card farming. might be enough to warrant redoing my mage samples at the very least even though i did those a few days ago

kinda wanna leave those alone but i do know i screwed up my sample run so may as well redo it earlier than later, i suppose

[paper sail]

Chaotic Troll is amazing, especially if you have a card doubler

[clear quartz]

only one, but yeah, i only have base rarity of it so im thinking about spamming some entries and see if i can get it to gold maybe

would like to farm chizoar too at some point but its not super high priority i suppose

[paper sail]

It's still a good one to have. You'll wear %stat cards while sampling everything once you get the skilling cards to Passive with Rift's skill mastery. Before that, eh

[clear quartz]

i have everything passive, i use it with the mp/hp snapshot stuff but i dont think it gets slotted otherwise

[paper sail]

One day 😛

[elder portal]

how can i get those green bits?

[paper sail]

Bits change color every e18. Just keep stacking White bits

[elder portal]

oh okay thanks

[paper sail]

1 green = 1QQ (quintillion) whites iirc

[elder portal]

so that's gonna take a while

[paper sail]

A little bit, yeah

Greens eventually become Reds, same process. Then Reds become Purples, but we're not there yet

[clear quartz]

maybe i should do all the dk statues before punishing myself with ES

~400 per hour is a bit brutal, although i guess i just need to grind 1.5 more days of bullseye, and probably a bit over 2 days apiece for the others.... i guess thats wortwhile. not like getting w4 and w5 ones will help much with that. maybe the dmg one onyx'd i suppose

[paper sail]

The battleaxe statue is very very minor damage. Don't prioritize it

[clear quartz]

gotcha. so i wont be shaving off a whole ton, may as well just bit the pillow now ig

[paper sail]

Feasty is the important one to get to Onyx asap

[clear quartz]

definitely looking forward to gobbling my full stack of those saved up

[opaque sun]

food and speed from w1 is the real damage source from statues

[sacred verge]

what lvl poisonic do i need for 121 goblin forest?

[paper sail]

Food Effect 🤤

[clear quartz]

im at 34 and still not able to survive past 115 or so, so id wager mid 40s maybe

[opaque sun]

That tab 3 class specific statue talents also scales nicely with onyx

[clear quartz]

maybe less, with atom stuff? idk

[sacred verge]

i got it at 45

45 poisonic, 48 kraken, 51 party, 52 storm and 41 freeze

[clear quartz]

you might be able to do it, hard to say. i know trying and failing feels bad because of the time sink, i just pushed most of my waves earlier and felt silly how acorn + frosty+ goblin ended up being 3 hours of durdling

[sacred verge]

yeah i hate doing the TD

takes soo much time

and it 100% feels like a waste if you fail

havent done any in ages, still got like wave 80 on goblin and frosty and like 50 on cans

which is very low considering my towers

[clear quartz]

i need to push citric and cans yeah

[sharp wind]

What would be a good stop point for CC bubble? Since its hardcap at 120

Now mine is 105% at 500

Should i go for more?

[dim wind]

not managing to kill this rift 37 with 13b damage, am I doing something wrong or what numbers should I be aiming for?

[paper sail]

That bubble is goated. Never stop

[sharp wind]

Alright then will try 1k first

[sharp wind]

Maybe not strong enough, comeback with higher damage

All rift can be done within 100b

[dim wind]

"what number should I be aiming for" -try higher damage

Thanks Sherlock

[sharp wind]

Well i dun remember sir

Im sorry for your lack of damage

[dim wind]

lool, thanks

[sharp wind]

U can just keep trying whenever u feel like u have enough damage, there is no exact number

[clear quartz]

oof yeah thats the one im stuck on too, guess ill be stuck a fair while longer

[dim wind]

managed to kill it on both mages quite easily with 11b damage

[crystal tulip]

I did it somewhere around 20-30b. Crit damage helps with these, in case you hadn't thought about that as another source.

[gentle anchor]

cheezor or troll helmet?

[dim wind]

unfortunately I already thought of that, but thanks for the hint. This is what I'm running with in cards, think it's the best combination

[crystal tulip]

I'd try again around 18-20b then. Should be close at that point.

[dim wind]

(and 200.8% crit chance for forced megas)

[paper sail]

Try slapping on Sand Giants 👍

Minimum damage is overlooked

[signal osprey]

Sand giant will definitely be a dps increase over one of the weapon power cards

[dim wind]

I do get further, nice hint. never even looked at that card tbh

[fallow aurora]

8k nugget

[paper sail]

I rolled a 42k this morning.. my best is 44k

[fallow aurora]

time to wait months for another big nugget

[dim wind]

actually did enough to pass, thanks! Will remember that card from now on

[gentle anchor]

what cauldron do u get at alchemy lvl 12O

[lyric sequoia]

An unimplemented one

[gentle anchor]

i just rolled 3 1OO b2b2b on the alchemy vials

[eager sedge]

This is gonna take a while

[lyric sequoia]

Half an hour of afk gains ezpz

Just have 4m kph innit

[eager sedge]

no multikill

Been here for abt an hour

should be done by tommorow

[loud isle]

Man that’s gotta be like a 1 in a million chance or something

[loud isle]

This was a joke but no one got it 💔

[gentle anchor]

how to get a pirate flag score of 75+?

i dont understand it

[loud isle]

Keep killing mobs

[eager sedge]

Kill,need more? Kill some more

[crisp silo]

just kill 5head

[eager sedge]

u still need more? Still kill some more then

[gentle anchor]

idk how the plunderous thing works tbh

[fossil urchin]

each time you kill a plunderous mob, the coin skill will proc (if you have points into it, you should max it if you want high scores there). then each mob you kill will drop coins, the count goes down pretty fast so you have to kill more than it drops

should only put 1 point into flag so the plunderous mobs are easy to kill

they spawn rarely when the flag is placed while you're killing

[gentle anchor]

ok i need to do that rift quest

[fossil urchin]

yeah, it's just a matter of killing as much as you can as fast as you can to get as much coins as you can

making sure to kill more plunderous mobs to refresh the coin skill

to drop more coins

[gentle anchor]

so 1 point in the flag thing and max in the coin skill

[fossil urchin]

should probably semi-auto it so your character doesn't hard focus multi plunderous mobs that spawn until you need to refresh coin drop

[fossil urchin]

yes

[lyric sequoia]

You basically gotta be lucky that plunderous mobs spawn, that's the trick to it. RNG

And being able to kill fast, but RNG do be a big factor

[opaque sun]

The talent doesnt raise the duration of the flag so 1 pt is enough as a mechanic

[lyric sequoia]

More points technically slows you down if you don't have the damage, since it raises the heallth of plunderous mobs

[fossil urchin]

^ makes it harder to refresh the coin skill when you need to

[opaque sun]

Later on when you get like 20x mk, then your raise the flag to raise the drop a bit

sadly, even with max flag SB’s drop is not even comparable to DK/ES

[prisma furnace]

Best place for Silver pen Farming?

[tacit tulip]

DK on bloodbones, typically

But anywhere you're killing a lot of crystals

[prisma furnace]

Ty ❤️

[tacit tulip]

Might wanna consider doing onyx statues at the same time in w1/2

[pure yarrow]

holy all things in anvil 4 need salt

wtf

[tacit tulip]

Thankfully it calms down in w5

But w4 is a real wall for a long time

[fast verge]

WOOO WE MADE IT BOIS

[toxic kraken]

Whats the comp for unlocking the final pet slot in arena?

[clear quartz]

something like bones/monolithic/forager/gobbo/mimic i think?

maybe it was the sandy boi at the end, i forgor

o right borgr

[sharp wind]

Better get rando/crystal island?

[toxic kraken]

Just those 4?

[opaque sun]

rando if you like doing random event everyday, crystal otherwise

[sharp wind]

Rando synchronized with trash right? If i have the bribe

[fallow aurora]

1 in 1 million recipe, its probably time to start grinding for anvil 5

[toxic kraken]

Did you get to 200? Or just till you unlocked all the pet slots?

[opaque sun]

rando island isnt directly needed for the garbage drop, but if you do random events daily it makes it worth to upgrade on rando island

[sharp wind]

Alright thanks for tips

[placid mural]

wow this is amazing

[tacit tulip]

Yep, shattershell makes finishing off all pets trivial

Just be careful replacing your shinies while you have big stacks...

[spare sigil]

does multikill affects rare drops?

[finite sparrow]

Does any of you have vman guide for max material sample?

[spare sigil]

so multikills doesnt affect obols and statues droprate too right?

[sick sentinel]

Mk only affects top left mat on mob card

[paper sail]

Is there a list of max guild bonus values somewhere?

[finite sparrow]

Does 2x loot talent from vman impact speedrun spores sample? Urgent

[hot prawn]

I'm confused, the one sailing artifact that doubles the alchemy sigils. Since I have it eldritch, if my one sigil gives one % afk, I actually get 6 right?

[paper sail]

Just like DK Orb, the Jman loot bag talent does nothing for AFK, thus nothing for samples

[paper sail]

3% for base, 6% for golden sigil

[signal osprey]

Its 4% and 8% at eldritch

[paper sail]

Oh is it?

[finite sparrow]

I'm not very smart. I went into speedrun with full samples on the printer

[paper sail]

Shit, you right

[finite sparrow]

So i couldn't sample any material at all

[signal osprey]

The bonus says 2x so logically you would assume double and triple would be 4x and 6x but lava words things poorly

[hot prawn]

It reads like double then triple. I am confusion

[signal osprey]

The code is actually 100% so double and triple is 200% and 300%

So instead of 2,4,6 its 2,3,4 depending on artifact tier

[hot prawn]

Ohh cool

[paper sail]

The inconsistency between "doubles" meaning 2x or +100% gets frustrating

[olive kestrel]

I learned last speeedrun, if you go to w3 town you can change 3d printer samples from the printer itself

[paper sail]

You can delete samples from Quick Ref

[olive kestrel]

cant access 3d printer in quick ref during speedrun

[paper sail]

Ah

[finite sparrow]

I realised that in the last 5 seconds. I managed to get sandy pot sample, but not spores. Which was my main goal to get spores

I guess tomorrow i'll go back there and finish the job

8k sand print. Not bad i guess

[alpine void]

Wait are drops increased during speed runs?

[finite sparrow]

You use +455% multikill skill then print

Works for materials

[alpine void]

I feel dumb for not realizing this

[paper sail]

Get those chonky numbers going

[sick sentinel]

Ye kill as many world bosses for the respawn and then pop mk talent for big sample

[finite sparrow]

I got 4.5k spore print without the speedrun

[surreal oxide]

the pinned post says that w2 pots is best place for crystal farm, but my exp says best crystal farm w2 is sandcastle, can anyone confirm or deny ty!!

[sterile crescent]

I think pots is there just cause the glass shards

[paper sail]

My voidrun prints are 25x or more higher than without speedrun lol, not even a comparison

[sick sentinel]

Ye all around utility sandpots gives the best mats

[surreal oxide]

so best spot for w2 crystal is sandcastle?

[sterile crescent]

DK im not sure, but every other class sandcaste should be better crystalwise