lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[barren otter]

actually the real question is

whats your feasty/hr lookin like

[signal osprey]

Well as of right now he has been farming for 62 minutes and he has just under 26k feasty

[barren otter]

oh wow

[signal osprey]

And 37k move speed statues lol

[dapper prism]

Yay 🥳
https://i.imgur.com/puEuVKN.png

Guess my vman will finally be better xD

[barren otter]

hmm i shouldve deposited earlier so i knew what my hourly was at beans

[signal osprey]

And then also 1k gold cheese and 1.2k of the gold ham too so those are pretty cool as well

[barren otter]

ham is so bad in comparison to your total...

[signal osprey]

Yeah its mostly the cheese I want

But even still if I'm going for 75 cooking I'll take every last % of exp I can get

[barren otter]

yea i have 15k of em on my vman atm

[dapper prism]

Honestly, reaching75 is technicaqlly irrelevant though

[barren otter]

its something but nothing crazy

[dapper prism]

Since you wont be doing 75-all. That whomever could just be 70, 72, or whatever really

Since anything helps

Also doubt balloons would work in w6 skills

[signal osprey]

It has to be 75 for more money though

Also it will be a nice even 10% of the eventual 750

[dapper prism]

There's a breakpoint for the star talent?

[signal osprey]

No but more levels is better than less levels

[barren otter]

OR

[dapper prism]

Haha xD

[barren otter]

you go to 100 cooking on bubo

for real giga money %

and 72 on every else

[signal osprey]

100 is absurd

[dapper prism]

Speaking of these talents, what max have you both gotten?
https://i.imgur.com/R2u1U6e.png

[signal osprey]

But I hate that I'm actually considering 80 now

Why must you give me ideas

[barren otter]

its probably only like 60k balloons

[signal osprey]

I could have stopped at 75

[barren otter]

havent really gone back to try to get them higher in a long time

[signal osprey]

I might try to max them now

[exotic juniper]

crystal or seasalt island better?

[signal osprey]

Not really anything else I care to book

[random saddle]

Hw many % coin do that talent give if lvl 50 cook

[dapper prism]

265%

Oh mine is at lvl 197 thats why xD

[random saddle]

Dem

Is it multi?

[barren otter]

seasalt imo

[dapper prism]

Nawh they are in group 7

Although probably the biggest impact of g7 as you won't use much else within it

[signal osprey]

Yeah the talents aren't really that huge of a bonus overall but every bonus counts

[dapper prism]

Either of you wanna switch xD
https://i.imgur.com/LSndPz1.png

[untold saffron]

Is it even worth getting fractal, or rando since I nearly have bribes? These last 3 just seem so underwhelming

[dapper prism]

I have the same choice, not sure if i should go rando for slab or crystal for candy yet

[signal osprey]

Well fractal is pretty trash and also the least time gated so its probably the last island for sure

[random saddle]

Do clicking dreadlo and then clickibg starfire actually give the afk info xp gain?

[dapper prism]

Does crystal stack or have to be done daily?

[random saddle]

Oh so just do this abd swap char?

[opaque sun]

crystal giants stacks from what i heard

[dapper prism]

Oh then that's not as bad

[signal osprey]

Yeah thats what I heard too. Either way its what I plan on taking next

If I have to do it daily then so be it

[opaque sun]

14-21 more giants per week or so

[dapper prism]

Anyone know if anything will influence the drop of crystal giant?

[dapper prism]

Oh big game works on it?

[opaque sun]

more like island gives you 2 to 3 a day

[dapper prism]

ah, thought it was 1.

[opaque sun]

So effectively like 14-21 giants in addition to your usual giants

[wind umbra]

does choco chip work on them lmao?

[dapper prism]

well time to unlock it
https://i.imgur.com/jIqfPGj.png

[signal osprey]

Yeah big game shouldn't be relevant because you don't actually spawn those giants nor do they count towards your normal giant odds

Its just a few free extra giants each week

[opaque sun]

Does not offer any new stats, but subtly is what fuels fractal later on

[dapper prism]

Well thats some action

Can i leave the island without killing them?

[signal osprey]

I wouldn't risk it

[dapper prism]

or would that essentially remove/despawn them like trash/bottles

xD

[lapis mesa]

think they despawn

[opaque sun]

Why would you not kill it

[barren otter]

wtf

[opaque sun]

Look what happened to the bottles

[dapper prism]

Didnt move dr keychain

[barren otter]

better show us loot after

[signal osprey]

Everything else in the expeditions update despawns

I wouldn't take a chance with the giants lol

[dapper prism]

pretty trash

[opaque sun]

A few dr isnt gonna do much for giant tables anyway

[dapper prism]

14.39x DR (didnt expect them all to be here
14x 1h, 1x 2h

[barren otter]

thats really bad

[opaque sun]

Seems like a nice place to ccd in short session

[barren otter]

your weekly ccd uptick lmao

[dapper prism]

Yeh but typically you wouldnt have that many crystals there

[signal osprey]

That doesn't seem bad at all

[dapper prism]

guess it only saves up 1 week maybe?

[signal osprey]

Its literally free candy every day

[barren otter]

well the question is, is that 1 week

or is that from update till now?

[dapper prism]

empty

Remind me tomorrow and we shall see

[barren otter]

cause hasnt it been nearly a month since islands came out?

[untold saffron]

Did mine with 18.7dr and got 56 hours of candy

[opaque sun]

free candies that you dont have to visit every time

[dapper prism]

yeh but doubt stuff stacks unlimited. also pretty sure trash/bottles have max

[signal osprey]

Yeah I don't see anything bad about that

[barren otter]

yea its free nonetheless

[signal osprey]

Free candy is free candy

[dapper prism]

True, especially for early game that don't have giants and all the stuff we have

[barren otter]

but if that really was 25 days of giant crystals its a tad underwhelming ngl

[opaque sun]

Its way better to unlock crystal first before fractal. Rando island milage varies depending how often you plan to rando bosses daily

[barren otter]

if its only a week then its pretty solid

[untold saffron]

It'll cap at like a week

[dapper prism]

isnt rando weekly?

[untold saffron]

There definitely wasn't 30 things there

[opaque sun]

The bonuses you get from rando island

[signal osprey]

Problem with the rando bonuses is that you unlock them with bottles though

[opaque sun]

It does nothing if you dont make use of it

[dapper prism]

oh right, dont those cost bottles to unlock?

[signal osprey]

So if you go rando 4th you can't really get the bonuses without delaying crystal and fractal

Its just 1 weekly random event at that point

[opaque sun]

Also the talent the scales off how many of those unique items you got

[untold saffron]

Well Crystal seems fine enough

[dapper prism]

Yeh, not too bad, but was hoping for more than just 1h's xD

[barren otter]

1hrs good

go slam SB

[signal osprey]

Thats some prime gmush fuel right there

Forge stonks

[untold saffron]

I got 2 12hrs and 3 4hrs

So they give more than 1s

[opaque sun]

For a random boss enthusiast that still does daily, random island has a bit more value

Else its just fluff island

[untold saffron]

Rando is cool for the trash gain

[signal osprey]

Rando is very strong later on it just takes a lot of bottle investment so its a low priority until you unlock other islands

[untold saffron]

I'll have my 5th Island in about 10 days

[signal osprey]

You can upgrade event loot drops so it'll be the key to the eventual full glacial obol dream

[untold saffron]

If rando is 5th

[opaque sun]

And possible more rando bosses in future

[pearl cedar]

5th in 10 days?

Oh nvm you won

[untold saffron]

Bottle giveaways were a wonderful thing

[dapper prism]

Damn i should have moved these Shrines to gmush so much sooner..

I was worried because some of the shrines were at around 100-150k hours of 400k.

[opaque sun]

I would wait till w6 release to decide moving shrines

[dapper prism]

But i am getting 5.5k hours per 35h afk alt.

Which is 157h per 1h

Only same world

[wind umbra]

why are shrines in gmush better?

[dapper prism]

If i understood your thing correct

[opaque sun]

lab is only same world. Moai only applies the bonus

[dapper prism]

Technically not gmush, but w1 city.
And that's mostly for dooters, not non dooters

Since non dooters still have alts in lab. But dooters dont

[wind umbra]

oh ok makes sense

[opaque sun]

cook still in w4, and few of my archers are at w4 keys for the quest

So id say w4 still gets good enough traffic

[dapper prism]

Yeh there's some situational stuff, but keys will be done at some time, same as kruk keys for cape/trophies

[opaque sun]

And when lava adds any divinity related updates, will divinity again in w4

[wind umbra]

ive just put mine at w5 since ill be afking there for a while

[dapper prism]

wouldnt the main update just be perks for the already existing 2 gods that have nothing?

meaning if you have that, there's nothing much for div either way

[opaque sun]

So for me its not worth risking to reset half year worth to w1 that im not sure how long my people will be there mean whole

[opaque sun]

If lava adds more divinity pts multipliers, god rank farming isnt bad

[dapper prism]

Oh like that

[opaque sun]

people sleep on god ranks because you can only get to like rank 4 at most now. But say if its easy to get to god rank 25, its a big boost and worth spending someone in there

[dapper prism]

Understandable. For me it's only been 2 days since i placed shrines in W1 and im already at ~70-80k hours of 400-750k hours

[opaque sun]

Besically my rule is “if i see myself doing shrines in that world for the next whole year, then i move them”

[dapper prism]

I coulda placed these here 2+months ago when i first got doo and have lvl 20+ shrines on all

[dapper prism]

Your shrines must also be higher than mine xD

[opaque sun]

I dont see myself afk at w1 for like a year

At most its just one sb

Shrines like lv 20-21 i think last i checked

W2 has some options if one considering the fractal

[dapper prism]

yeh, w3 con

[wind umbra]

IT just on account

[dapper prism]

IE, w3 -> con -> Shrines shows the levels

[wind umbra]

building slots

[opaque sun]

From lab and atom

[wind umbra]

trimmed gives more build rate than nontrimmed

[zealous niche]

The lack of body hair makes the BR have less friction so it goes faster

[weary granite]

ayy I actually got lucky with divinity and got arctis with 2 5% rolls

[reef bough]

Is there any stamp tier list?

[opaque sun]

Its not like you take one over another

[dapper prism]

Only thing really is Multitool for discounts, until its out of range, other options are cyrstallin, gold food effect, bag cap and some other things

[manic rivet]

does the divinity style "mantra" also give div exp to characters who are doing something else

[opaque sun]

Yes, thats the whole point

[manic rivet]

ok

[quartz saffron]

Its finally happened... since the birth of world 5 gaming i finally got a golden nugget bigger than my 1.8k nugget... progress is amazing

[zealous niche]

Does the pickle jar vial affect the idle island gains?

It’s a bonus to nothing

[opaque sun]

in that sense, “nothing, lol” cog should add something, but it doesn’t

[patent hatch]

Topbird what bird is that

[reef bough]

Did anyone make updated version of this thing?

[wind umbra]

someone made a copy of it but i dont think anyone is actively updating it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

if u want it instead of going on archive

[ocean fox]

What exactly is chemical chaining? Is it just waiting and pruning until you get all chemicals in your garden?

[untold saffron]

W5 is the shrine home usually with doot right?

[modern plaza]

really depends where your progression is at, but yes

[kindred coyote]

how do i use candies in fractal islnd?

[obtuse minnow]

do you not just go to the island and use them as you otherwise would?

I haven't unlocked it, but the whole idea is to spend idle time there, which can be boosted by candy

[signal lava]

it doesnt' work for some people. gives fishing xp instead

[obtuse minnow]

huh

[solid epoch]

https://i.imgur.com/JbknzVJ.png

ayy +1 slab

i only had starsign equipped for like 24 hrs lol

[upbeat trout]

wait arena 200 is not the max?

[solid epoch]

u can go higher but not much of a point

[upbeat trout]

ah ok

[untold saffron]

Do infi star signs not apply to this

[solid epoch]

nah pretty sure u have to have it specifically equipped

[dreamy flicker]

i thought that was only if wanted use the chip that doubles star signs

[foggy lark]

Would anyone be willing to have a look at my IE and give me some directions

[fresh plank]

Any hotkeys to throw these coins?

[teal lynx]

Probably Alchemy and Stamps. But maybe someone that's more experienced in this Game is willing to help

[foggy lark]

Thank you, I have been working on those but maybe not enough, didn't want to just dump the IE without asking. Appreciate your response

[weary sonnet]

Guys, show yourself how much this artifact increases the damage in you and explain to me Which of the parameters is affected by this artifact?

[dapper prism]

You should only have your 2 squires on the board in most cases btw (not sure how different it is if you have 0 gem cogs)

I hope those cogs are at least EXP.

[weary sonnet]

That is, I have theoretically based on your parameters 469/185≈ 2,5
2,5×88=220% total bonus.... Hmm, interesting!
Thank you very much for the example and explanation!!

[dapper prism]

I'm confused where 469 came from

I didnt do any of the math but usually it's log10

And not in steps like that

Like stuff like this:
Having 1b Ore or 999.99m is essentially the same and won't make it jump up
https://i.imgur.com/r1KkfTL.png

Not sure how it is in the Arti above, but most content is done like this

Similar as the Tab 4 talent 7 kpk "per 1k stat" having 999 will still be calculated, or 500. etc.

And the result has to be 14.66?

88/6 ?

and fk..

just deleted a 111% cog.. highest one ive ever rolled :/

Only got 3 cogs above 100 😦

I saw it as an 11 first then realized it right as i clicked xD

[foggy lark]

has eldritch artifact which triples the bonus if i am not mistaken

[dapper prism]

Dont think artifact (ancient/eld) present that in the actual value?

[foggy lark]

but closer 😉

[dapper prism]

Also, not like there's anything you can do to actually make much of a difference on that arti..

[upbeat trout]

damn i neglected breeding so long i have went from max arena 60 to beat 200 and cleared 8 spice zones all the way to the end... how do i fill up 2 last zones they require huge damage

and my pets have at most 10k-15 power

[dapper prism]

Think it was with tsar

Ctrl+F Tsar and im sure some people explain it

[rotund smelt]

I just have 1 warrior and a borger, forager, and some other random forager type

I didn't really bother looking into best setup since I really only cared about getting 1 spice for the recipe

[upbeat trout]

ok i got it, my pets are just a little bit too weak for now, got all but last zone going, will take awhile untill i get all recipes anyway, how do i get more power on pets, grind that gene frags to level them up ?

[glad crow]

[crisp silo]

Depo all

[vocal ibex]

I closed app when I restart if I'm trying to get a drop on es did I ruined it ??

[tardy oak]

which gods should i use on the chars if i got mumie companion

[eager sedge]

None?

It counts as u have all equiped so why bother

[pure yarrow]

what should i be farming actively while waiting to unlock goat god?

[eager sedge]

Statues?

Gem em onyx

[tardy oak]

i wasnt sure bc of the minor link bonus but then ok thx

[finite sparrow]

What's the best way to increase damage if alchemy isn't progressing much?

[balmy harness]

Is it listed anywhere what my max lv on a talent is? My CC says 215/185

So I dont waste any books to get any better

[mild merlin]

I think the max is generally 245,more with rift slug

[zealous niche]

One needs to have lion, but otherwise whichever is aesthetically pleasing in your lock screen

[mild merlin]

Some talents can have their max level increased and some upgrades also raise the talent levels ofc eg SOB one of the divinities

[zealous niche]

Max is not generally, it is 245

The current level can be boosted above that, but that 245 for the right number is a hard cap for the moment

[mild merlin]

What about beefy bottles,eternal stats etc?

Those raise the max talent level too

[bold quiver]

true, only for specific stats and there is a max (cuz that talent can only go to 310 or 311 i believe, (with all bonuses) so that other talent will have a max based on that

[zealous niche]

They raise the current level, the left number

Oh wait, no nevermind

[bold quiver]

haha

[zealous niche]

Somewhere along that boosting line it’s still limited by the 245 max, but that is the exception yes

[lyric sequoia]

Usually when we talk about "highest max levell" we're not talking about skills that are boosted by other skills

Since you can't book those skills generally anyway, highest max level always refers to the highest level you can book a skill from the talent library

[tawdry locust]

to anyone who got king doot, does the divinities you havent unlocked also work with it?

[dreamy flicker]

Yes

[finite sparrow]

Are the event stones better than w5 stones?

For tools specifically

[lyric sequoia]

3 more rank ups on green and I'lll finally have it on the 1m cap so it can speed the fuck up a bit

Event stones are vendor items once you've unlocked them on the slab

[sharp wind]

good point to stop?

[mossy void]

about divinity. Is it better to mantra right away, or should I flow until I have goharut, then mantra?

[lyric sequoia]

!mantra

[obtuse orbit]

Mantra works a bit differently compared to other Divinity styles. The gains of having all ten characters on mantra will not visually show up in neither afk info screen, nor afk claim screen.

In order for your characters to get their fair share of shared exp, you start by first claiming the afk time of a mantra character. The game, upon claiming afk mantra time, will then calculate what should be sent to the rest of your characters. However, that shared exp also does not show up on the remaining characters afk claim screen, but it does get added to your divinity exp bar none the less!
The easiest way to make sure mantra is working for you is to claim all afk time on all mantra characters, and watch your exp bars on the rest of your characters go up.

(Shared exp from the bubos lab talent also works the same way! Gotta claim your bubo first to let the game know how much exp should be shared)

[mossy void]

yeah

[twin token]

Does anybody know the order kattle weapons are unlocked

[sacred monolith]

Finally picked up this bad boy today

[patent hatch]

Nice lad

[flint belfry]

My game freeze on active playing with SB

on steam

[lyric sequoia]

Bullseye statues are pretty slow huh

[twin token]

Where do I farm pecuniary statues

[lyric sequoia]

Pin tells you where and how to farm all statues

[twin token]

O ok

[tacit tulip]

yeah took me a few days - the w3 ones are just as bad

[sudden niche]

guys im being held hostage by gaming

[untold lintel]

idk , for me gaming is definently the easiest most enjoyable skill in the game

[sacred verge]

most enjoyable?

[opaque sun]

least hassle i suppose

[undone steeple]

is there a way to increase the odds of getting an eldritch artifact? my fury relic is at 0.01% chance on each chest

ive just went through 40 bottled winds and nothing

[versed cypress]

better tier chests but your best bet is to simply open as many chests as possible

[undone steeple]

the artifact relic is already at eldritch

and im opening many chests instead of leveling them yes

currently 36 per bottle

[sacred verge]

lvl up sailing

[opaque sun]

more chests are effectively the best way to raise chance

thats pretty much it

Shiny dog and oj vial also maybe

Sorry, oj is just speed

[glad crow]

damn crafting the 10m peanuts sure takes a while

[sacred verge]

farming the mana potions for it is more pain D:

[sacred verge]

nvm

mana is the mining speed lol

thats what i was thinking about

[broken pilot]

Is it better to craft Chizoar or Lustre?

[elfin cape]

I feel you

[sacred verge]

i wish i didnt filter out all the food and potions... lol

such a mistake

[fresh plank]

Does multikill affect money/exp?

[sacred verge]

money yes

[fresh plank]

Aight tenks

[opaque sun]

no it doesnt

only indirectly from the mk tier star talent

mk only increases base material drops. Exp, money and rare drops (non-material drops) are only base kills

[glad crow]

now i just need to do it 100 more times

[sacred verge]

yeye but still does increase money with the star talent

i guess it was a bit unclear from my side

[opaque sun]

without mentioning star talent, he is probably taking off jawbreaker right now for money

[crystal tulip]

Warrior, Archer, Mage, VMan

[twin token]

Oh ok thanks

That's great bc I need the warrior weapon first

For faster dk farming

[sacred verge]

i doubt that, but alright

[opaque sun]

And technically, that star talent doesnt care actually how much m kills you do. It just a flat bonus based off the mk tier

[surreal oxide]

does high multkill increase crystal spawn rate?

[crisp silo]

no

[loud cedar]

Dang could u imagine the amount of crystals that would appear

[balmy kiln]

for cooking, what is the ideal card build?

cant find anythin

[opaque sun]

Double ctroll and amarok, and use bunny and gelatin and thats pretty much it

[crisp silo]

afk gains mostly

[opaque sun]

Efaunt and gelatin are whatever honestly as cook lvls dont do much

Sorry forget gelatin, thats lab exp

[sacred verge]

mutated mush is cooking exp

[clever quartz]

whats that green salad that i need to upgrade my 2nd sailing boat speed?

[sick sentinel]

1st island material

[clever quartz]

did like 20 trips so far and havent found any yet

[sick sentinel]

could be the rare mat from that island

nvm its the normal one, just keep goin at it

[opaque sun]

rare mat is like 5% chance or so

[ember zodiac]

Anyone know how to get nothing afk time on fractal island it just keeps showing me as fishing

[teal lynx]

This is a bug. Not sure if there is any fix around it
Might need to wait for a hotfix

[sacred verge]

afk in town maybe works. cant candy tho

[ember zodiac]

I was just told it's a issue on mobile

[teal lynx]

Are u on Ios?

[ember zodiac]

Android

[teal lynx]

Okay. Saw someone that wasn't sure if its only Ios. Good to know it affects both

[north juniper]

Between the random event and giant crystal mob island I’m assuming it’s the latter that’s better?

DK orb and then smack ‘em?

[opaque sun]

giant candies doesnt seem to be affected by dr but yeah

[prime lynx]

Does anyone know the pet team to win against W5 Molten Bay? I’m trying Rattler, Looter, Mono, Ref, Def, Ref. I would appreciate any suggestions.

[opaque sun]

rando island only if you plan to do lot of dailies and want to make each random boss kill worth more with upgrades

But else, its just one random boss per week

[north juniper]

Is that the one with citrines?

[flint belfry]

Help !
Why my game still freeze after 1hour active playing (Siege Breaker) on W5. I'm playing with steam

[prime lynx]

No, it’s the one with Sluggmas.

[north juniper]

If so then rattler/looter/mono/def/refil/refil. Time the first shield to save the first refill and set to full auto

Gotcha. It’ll work the same for them.

[prime lynx]

Ok, I’ll try it. Thank you for the suggestion!

[flint belfry]

Up please :x

[north juniper]

Yup good luck. Also here’s the post I made for the citringes but suggmas were the exact same. #lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[young nest]

What causes crystal mobs to be bugged, I just cleared fishing island and all gave like a few thousand of exp... it also happens with regular ones

[prime lynx]

It worked thanks! You’re a legend!

[young burrow]

what do you need these for?

[glad crow]

10m golden peanuts

[placid mural]

curious if its really better to do fractal or crystal first . . . crystal could help stock up on candies to use in fractal?

[hot dove]

Is the elemental sorcerer hat a premium hat?

[signal osprey]

Fractal is realistically the last island to go for

Most of the bonuses arent that good and the trophy isnt very realistic for most players

Plus its not time gated because you can sink candy into it so you can jsut do it whenever you want

[placid mural]

thanks contract, that is what i was thinking

[north juniper]

What’s the bonus from fractal?

[thorn marsh]

that's enough hours to give you diabeetus

[signal osprey]

The trophy is even worse

You have a 1 in 100k chance to get it every hour

[frail schooner]

here are some bonuses that you wont need when you get them

[north juniper]

Oh jeez

I just went for the crystal island instead. Choco makes it that much sweeter.

[pallid junco]

Half of the island are very disappointing

[granite grove]

8.76% per char for full year afk to get trophy

[surreal oxide]

Where’s best place to farm crit dmg statue

[north juniper]

Check the pins

Also please watch Griffys video on it to maximize your kapow statue deposit https://youtu.be/a027FWpMQbc?si=loyKFr0XAWdOLxnK

[wicked cobalt]

are there any cards that help for divinity?

[sick sentinel]

Biggie hours double afk claim if you arent alreqdy capped

[shy flame]

are kruk shoes better than magmacore shoes?

[tall horizon]

Magma shoes for damage only

[dapper prism]

Magma for sampling (but not shoes) 😄

[tall horizon]

Otherwise kruk, or skilling boots for samples

Ya he asked specifically about shoes lol

[dapper prism]

Yeh, edited not shoes 😄

I guess shoes really become pointless then

[tall horizon]

Pretty much lol

[glad crow]

[zinc torrent]

Do you guys know which spot i got left?

[lusty wedge]

Just leave ot afk for 30 minutes or so, it will eventually just automatically fill everything

[zinc torrent]

its been an hour

[dapper prism]

Whats the progress on it?

Looks like maybe 2nd platform far left?

[zinc torrent]

1525/1540

[zinc torrent]

do i need to kill one to drop it there or can i put one myself?

[dapper prism]

Not sure,

but these the 2 main spots i would see:
https://i.imgur.com/BNUTSQW.png

[zinc torrent]

wait i got afk for 5 minutes lemme show you

i accidentely clicked W on the portal...

[dapper prism]

Happens, hate it, worst spot is colo, think colo 4 when you enter it and want to go up the rope xD

[zinc torrent]

im gonna leave this quest alone now 💀

[lavish grotto]

Does 5th anvil tab require frigid souls

[zinc torrent]

nope

[stiff kayak]

Bro

[lavish grotto]

Then it’s probably easier than anvil 4 expansion xd

[zinc torrent]

yep 😭

theres no souls req in tab 5

[fathom lagoon]

Ancient buttplug

[stiff kayak]

y guys on this vman quest does it need to be done on mman on is it account wide?

[next locust]

On vman

(Mman)

[stiff kayak]

k

[loud flower]

Crystal or afk island after trash, sea salt, and shimmer?

[lavish grotto]

One of them has giant crystal mobs

[zinc torrent]

where do i find the TD guide now? i wanna push my MSA a bit and havent done it for a good while

[devout fractal]

whats the best way to unlock artifacts if you dont want to be super active with checking sailing? Do higher tier chest have higher % chance to unlock artifact?

[zinc torrent]

what a tease

[lament jasper]

are siege breaker's coins affected by DR?

[dapper prism]

Everyones coins is affected by DR brekapoints

[lament jasper]

Not the money, the flag coins

[dapper prism]

Oh xD

[vagrant mountain]

should be a no

[lament jasper]

yeah lol, cause i feel like i'm not getting much coin drops

thats sad

[dapper prism]

Isn't it just guaranteed as 1 coin per 1 mob kill?

[vagrant mountain]

yeah

[twin token]

Yeah p sure

[vagrant mountain]

crystal mobs drop 2

[lament jasper]

ooooohh

guess i'll need crystal chance then thanks lol

[vagrant mountain]

yeah vman enhancement is also huge

[twin token]

U should be able to sustain it

[lament jasper]

barely though

[twin token]

Yeah it makes plundurus mobs come in way faster

[lament jasper]

yup thats what i'm gonna invest into i think i just got 90 more vman talents points

[twin token]

It'd the 2nd one I think so u should be good

[lament jasper]

yup, got it

[edgy pine]

What island do you get for the 4th one

[dapper prism]

just be sure to NOT level plunder mob xp/hp

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

Although its situational

[vagrant mountain]

why

[edgy pine]

I see so fractal thank you

[dapper prism]

4, 5, 6 depends if you actually need fractal bonuses still

[edgy pine]

I don’t know the bonuses but probably need them

[dapper prism]

It's probably fine for us who would 1 shot it. Just many people overlevel it where they need a lot to kill it xD

[dapper prism]

Then check the wiki 👀

[vagrant mountain]

fair

[edgy pine]

O so it’s already on wiki

Ok I’ll check

[dapper prism]

Everything ends up on the wiki within the first day(s)

Even that image was posted on like day 1 of update xD

[lament jasper]

ooh why ?

[dapper prism]

I call it "insider trading"

[vagrant mountain]

yeah wiki people just dig up the code

[dapper prism]

scroll up 👀

[lament jasper]

ooh

it still dies fast-ish it shuold be fine i think

[vagrant mountain]

better to be 1-2 shot

[lament jasper]

alright i guess i'll talent reset then i need a whole spell for it to die

[gentle anchor]

best class to farm hapters?

[zinc torrent]

es?

its on the table so prob es

[ocean fox]

Do coins on the ground show rounding? I don't know why on my pc I get luster coins but on my phone I only get void coins. As seen in the afk info they should have basically the same coin multiplier

[twin token]

Why is this happening?

[zinc torrent]

again: where has the spreadsheet gone. i need some TD guidelines

[ocean fox]

First two image are from mobile

[solemn spire]

In tips and trics "new spreadsheet"

[zinc torrent]

ty m8

[ocean fox]

I also don't know why I have a single more luster coin per hour on pc but yeah, and also not sure what the orb is on the pc image but it should be around the same as the mobile image if not lower

[manic moat]

do you have the blooming axe upgrade unlocked?

[north juniper]

Out of curiosity what’s a good prowes bubble look like?

[twin token]

Talking abt nutto power

[north juniper]

300? 500?

[twin token]

It Caps at 2.0 so whenever that is

[ocean fox]

You don't have a forager above?

[ocean fox]

It caps at 2.0 but the bubble helps

[twin token]

I thought a forager is supposed to just be a green pet

[ocean fox]

I mean leek helps you get to 2.0 easily

[manic moat]

nope, the leaves

[ocean fox]

But it's also cheap so you should level it up to not make it minimum bubble

[twin token]

Oh ok I'm dumb

Thx

[north juniper]

Oh damn. I’m sitting at 2.03

On the bubble that is

[twin token]

Oh ok that's a factor taken out of printing then

[dapper prism]

can always CTRL+F my name and search the terms for things like Guide sheet.
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[tiny robin]

How to 5 star a card?

[wind umbra]

either buy cardifier or u have toget rift bonus

[dapper prism]

Rift 46

[lament jasper]

much better thanks for the tips

[vagrant mountain]

orb increases your coin drop

[ocean fox]

Yeah but my mobile screenshot had my orb at my near max and the second image did not have a maxed orb it might not even have been on

[vagrant mountain]

orb multi isn't reflected in afk info

[twin token]

Is pecuina statue multiplicative

[signal osprey]

No but its still strong

[ocean fox]

Yeah I know I was asking why the coins on the ground were only void even though it was near maxed out orb. I showed the afk info to show they both my mobile and computer setup had near identical multipliers for coin

[twin token]

Unfortunate

I think I'll farm that next tho

[signal osprey]

Its in an additive group but its one of the biggest bonuses in said group

So its still a good impact on your total money multi

[twin token]

How long will it take me with 48 crystal chance 9.3 Dr and 160 orb

[twin token]

Ah ok

Are gmush kills additive too?

[signal osprey]

Nope thats a separate multi

[twin token]

Oh ok

I wonder if it would be worth to farm statues on gmush then

It's not that much slower right?

[signal osprey]

Its probably quite a bit slower

Plus your kph would also be slow compared to just using a SB or ES

[twin token]

Oh yeah you're right

[signal osprey]

DK should stick to beans and leave the gmush to the afk farmers

[twin token]

Is sb used just because it does more damage than es or bc of forge talent?

[vagrant mountain]

oh mb, i see what you mean now, could just be a mobile bug. Mobile versions are full of bugs, I have cranium cooking on my BM's skill bar on android, and my DK has the same chopping eff as my mages

[signal osprey]

For pure kph ES is higher than SB but SB is still decent while having forge gains and better anvil progress

[twin token]

Are you guys both ios? Bc I've never ran into a bug on mobile that's not also on pc

[signal osprey]

Personally I do all my gmush on SB but both are valid

[ocean fox]

Ah yeah np, I asked some other people and they said it was an overflow erro. I thought that it was fixed on mobile though but I guess not

[ocean fox]

I just had my personal example in my images up there but my money on the ground was massively different

[vagrant mountain]

overflow would cause you to lose money I think

either way, lava is more of a pixel artist than game dev

[signal osprey]

Money overflow was fixed on mobile

[twin token]

Oh the talent is that strong? I thought sb like super outscored es

[signal osprey]

Its a good talent yeah. Plus if you don't have doot you also get the benefit of 30% afk gains from snake too

[dapper prism]

Why would sb "super outscore" es?

[ocean fox]

Yeah, that's why people said my mobile was a lot lower. But from what I understood, the former overflow mobile bug caused the coins to turn into copper, in this case they are just at void

[dapper prism]

ES is a master at MK, but the archers forges are very timegated vials

[signal osprey]

Although even with doot im pretty sure ES is still better just not by quite as much

[ocean fox]

Actually the one reason I would recommend never using ES for gnashing us that you would always want it in lab and bunny for prints imo

So either arctis bunny or omni/goat bunny while in lab

You never get the chance with nobi, unless doot ofc

[sick sentinel]

for candying it doesnt matter if you dont need your god links swapped that week

[twin token]

Wait what are endgamers using bars for? Is it just meal speed vial?

[signal osprey]

If you mean forge progress that would be for vials yeah. They aren't gonna max themselves

[ocean fox]

Oh that's true, in that case sheb nobi would probably get more gains but yeah forge is important

[signal osprey]

Although dreadlo vial is unmaxable currently

It just takes way too long

[twin token]

Oh wow really

[signal osprey]

Other two can be done though

[dapper prism]

What about doot, 3 archers gmush, and 2min logins? xD

[twin token]

Wow didn't know that

[ocean fox]

Imagine if lava just decided to let us get more than one forge capacity of progress

Maxing dreadlo vial in a single hour candy

[signal osprey]

Dreadlo bar vial takes roughly 150x as many bar claims as copper and iron bar vials combined

Like in theory it is possible

But you'd be doing 2 minute claims all day every day for months

Its not realistic

[twin token]

Sounds to me like people are just weak willed

[dapper prism]

lol xD

https://tenor.com/view/ice-age-sid-life-no-thanks-i-choose-life-gif-14162870

[signal osprey]

I'm already losing my mind just ballooning my cooking and I've only been doing it for like 20 minutes

I'll pass on maxing dreadlo

[dapper prism]

Oh you started it! How far are you into it?

[signal osprey]

Only like 4k balloons

[ocean fox]

How many forge claims is it estimated for copper vial maxing

[signal osprey]

Last estimate I saw was about 2k but that was before all the forge cap so its better now

And to give an idea of how that compares to dreadlo. The same assumptions that led us to 2k copper claims had dreadlo coming in at 997k claims

So have fun

[untold lintel]

whats best char to kill minibosses on? dk or es? i assume dk if i charge up orb before killing boss

[manic moat]

yep, orb is the best

[signal osprey]

Over 800 balloons per level now

[surreal musk]

Divinity question. If all of my characters are on mantra why do they only get 2xp per hour. I have all of them on it. There has to be a faster way

[narrow torrent]

if you are asking about the "all characters gain 1 exp per hour" then it's invis (it counts from other chars)

[signal osprey]

The shared exp doesn't show up on the afk screen

[surreal musk]

I’ll still be away for 5 hours and only get 15xp. It should be like 50 with all of them on it

[dapper prism]

"On tomorrows QoL update: You can Hold down on balloons to consume them continuously"
xD

[manic moat]

Does anything affect rare monster drop chances?

even like active > afk?

Hampters are so boring

[signal osprey]

Active ES

Thats it really

[dapper prism]

To be specific, what do you mean for rare monsters, or do you just mean monsters rare drops?

[signal osprey]

Hampters just suck 🤷‍♂️

[manic moat]

gross

so your drop rate is the same as mine then?

maybe mob respawn rate

[signal osprey]

If you're on active ES respawn is useless

[manic moat]

oof

[signal osprey]

Just get as much DR and damage as you can

And accept that just because ES is the best doesn't mean that ES is good

Theres no good way to farm hampters

Its all pain and misery

[manic moat]

haha, I want to say I've found around 60 in the past 24 hours

[dapper prism]

That sounds like kinda low dr/dmg?

[signal osprey]

I have officially hit 70 cooking

[dapper prism]

Although ig early on it did suck

[manic moat]

probably, but I think I'm at the place where only time can help me increase those things

[fervent flame]

That sounds really low

Is your portal the right level?

[dapper prism]

Well, what is your DR and dmg?

[manic moat]

5.72 dr 691m min dmg

[fervent flame]

That will be why

[dapper prism]

People usually state their max dmg btw. But still that DR seems very low

[signal osprey]

I am down to 0.11% exp per balloon now so nearly 1k per level. 70 to 75 is gonna be a good time

[dapper prism]

Either you are missing Obols or cards or something

[manic moat]

1.5b max dmg

[fervent flame]

You get 3.00 dr from obols alone

[dapper prism]

And technically more than that due to SB talent

[manic moat]

6.94 dr when I switch to dr cards and 1b max dmg

[fervent flame]

Do that

Dmg is less important

[manic moat]

so DR does affect rare monster drops like hampters?

[fervent flame]

Yeah

It affects anything including cards and money

[signal osprey]

Drop rate affects things that drop lol

Like pretty much everything

[manic moat]

then why not say that when I first asked lol...smh 😛

[signal osprey]

I said get as much DR and damage as you can

Word for word lol

[manic moat]

your first reply was "active ES really." oh well, just giving hard time

[modern plaza]

onyx statues LIT

[signal osprey]

I have officially used over half of my balloons

At this point I'm not sure whats gonna run out first. The second half of them or my will to live

[stoic cypress]

when should I start with sailing? Got all my chars in divinity except 1 that is pushing or farming mats. I'm almost lvl 10 divinity on all chars with snake and bear unlocked

[signal osprey]

Sailing doesn't require any characters

You can just do it

[stoic cypress]

oh

what a nice oversight by me

[manic moat]

gaming is passive too

[paper sail]

[manic moat]

using them for cooking?

[signal osprey]

Yeah gonna get my first 75 on the way to 750 total

[manic moat]

nice, curious what your ladle drop rate is

[signal osprey]

Although I'm gonna use basically all my balloons just getting one so the other 9 will have to wait

Cooking level and ladle gains have no correlation

[manic moat]

I know, just curious

#goals

[signal osprey]

I'm not even doing it on a BB I'm on bubo for the money per cooking level talent

[manic moat]

ah, nvm then

[paper sail]

I haven't summoned the courage to finish 500 yet

[signal osprey]

500 honestly wasn't too terrible

[paper sail]

I did level 50 on the first 4 characters and then wanted to die so moved on

[signal osprey]

But going from 54 to 70 on one character has already used more balloons than 50 on everyone

So its noticeably more terrible

Honestly not even sure if I have enough for 75. It'll be pretty close

[potent lily]

What pendents are good

?

[pure ember]

Chizoar scarf for combat post w3, bouquet for skilling

Then kattlekruk things after that

[sick sentinel]

yup, those until you can get kattle ones

[potent lily]

Im like very unlucky so i only have 1 scarf

[lavish grotto]

Is this worth at all?

[narrow torrent]

imo it is if you don't care enough for min max

but royal sampler is just too good

[little harbor]

Just got all gods unlocked. is it work keeping my guys on divinity to improve my god rank right now, or should i put them all on bear and go push through W5?

[sick sentinel]

you lose too much trying to make it work

if you have all gods, god ranks arent worth to push

[pearl cedar]

How many balloons so far?

[signal osprey]

I'm about 9k in now at level 72

[pearl cedar]

Oh r.i.p. vman or BB?

[signal osprey]

Bubo

[pearl cedar]

Gotta get then money gains

[signal osprey]

Yeah although those other classes will be quite a bit faster

[pearl cedar]

Hmm maybe worth taking everyone to 60

[signal osprey]

My DK has more exp multi in his farming spec than bubo has optimized for exp

And vman/BB will be even higher than that

Easily 1k less balloons on each of them if not closer to 2k less

[pearl cedar]

Lotta colo runs though

[signal osprey]

Yeah this one character alone is gonna eat basically all my balloons

Still a long way to go for 750

[pearl cedar]

I should start buying out po6. Far too lazy

Wish could complete orders from quickref

[signal osprey]

Lately I've been doing them on mobile

Can click through them faster

And I usually do it close to daily reset so I can do two days at once every other day

[pearl cedar]

Yeah I just remote into my pc from my phone. Same thing though

[thorn marsh]

how many you do at the time contract?

[pearl cedar]

Pretty easy to do ~100

[thorn marsh]

I stop at 80 cause I'm cheap

[signal osprey]

I usually about 40 or 50 per day because I don't wanna do more

[paper sail]

What else for Cooking EXP checklist?
Doubled Mush + Chaotic Efaunt + Medium Resources set
Doubled 6% and 3% skill exp star signs
Acorn hat
Blooming Vine / Kattle Cape?
Spring nametag
Prayers: Balance of Proficiency and Unending Energy

[thorn marsh]

cause of the costs?

[signal osprey]

Laziness

[thorn marsh]

fair 😛

finger ligma is no joke

[signal osprey]

New W4 trophy

[paper sail]

A perfect excuse for me to put it off. Thanks 👍

[signal osprey]

Also waiting until you can push cooking hard helps too for the two meals that give cooking exp

[paper sail]

I had done my Mush spawns the morning before the update so trophy is a while away

[signal osprey]

I have cheese at 60 and the potato at 56

[paper sail]

53 and 49 😦

[signal osprey]

Still have another week on my trophy as well

Admittedly this balloon session is only semi optimized. I was mostly just testing it out

Gotta make sure to really max it out for the other 9

[paper sail]

9k balloons is just a prank bro

[signal osprey]

Over 10k now

I'm committed at this point

75 or bust

Looking like I'll have enough for it. My initial estimate I wasn't sure if I would make it or not

Probably due to the exp scaling on balloons per skill level. I'm getting like 97k per balloon now compared to the 71k I was getting when I started

[paper sail]

If you remember.. what level did you start using pearls lol

I always forget they exist

[signal osprey]

In the late 40's. I went and did all the pearl quests to get as many as I could and then divided them evenly between everyone

Then used them for the last levels to save the most balloons

[dapper prism]

Here, have some of mine xD
https://i.imgur.com/Lh7gFxa.png

[signal osprey]

Dirty dooter

[dapper prism]

It's funny but i already finished nearly everything before doot 👀

[paper sail]

Cooking is my only skill below 50 on anyone, before companions

[dapper prism]

Tossed on the damn god by accident once, used it to level/candy a ton, then did the same on some alts

It's only 25 red pearls needed per 10 skill level

[signal osprey]

0.07% per ballon from 74 to 75

[paper sail]

275 black pearls / 5 per level = 55 levels stashed. 5 characters below 30 cooking makes a clean 11 levels each and I free up a bank space

[signal osprey]

It is finally over

Just over 12k balloons total starting from level 54

[dapper prism]

Gratz!

[signal osprey]

I think I'll do the other 9 in W8

[thorn marsh]

how long would it take with regular afk?

for comparisons sake

[signal osprey]

Yes

If I had to give a rough estimate I would say that my BB has gotten about 15m or so exp while cooking since I ballooned him to 50 which was at least a month ago

74 to 75 was about 150m exp

So a solid 10 months afk for that one level

[lavish grotto]

Is it really weeks of this to get to level 40

[barren otter]

when 80

[signal osprey]

It gets faster when you unlock the stance at 25 div

[signal osprey]

Very soon

[barren otter]

[lavish grotto]

But… isn’t it still weeks to get to level 25?!?

[barren otter]

tbf you dont have to sit there the whole time till 40

[signal osprey]

Plus the afk screen doesnt account for double exp procs

Went from 12.3b to 13.2b cash multi from those cooking levels according to IT. Honestly better than I expected

[sick orchid]

Are there any tricks to get action frenzy book at 100 or it's just pure rng?

[signal osprey]

Rng

[wind umbra]

Do you need 100b/hr production speed to theoretically hourly click luck bubble?

or is there some other math that im not thinkning of?

[dapper prism]

you mean m?

[wind umbra]

dont u need 1b thread which takes 100 prod speed to create 1?

maybe im just stupid tho

[signal osprey]

100b production divided by 100 production per thread is 1b thread for a bubble click but that assumes you're producing one thread at a time

You can produce 3 at a time per character

[wind umbra]

oh so u only need 33.3b?

[dapper prism]

oh right, forgot the speed but either way i was off xD

[signal osprey]

33.3b if you only want to do thread on 1 character

[tawny jacinth]

So for getting chem unlocked, optimal is just rolling the .1%s or is there a specific breakpoint I should be saving up to?

[signal osprey]

3.3b if you do full thread on all 10 and check all 10 each hour

[wind umbra]

lmao my whole account at 581m brod rn so im not even close

[wind umbra]

as soon as i harvested a full board i would try my luck, dont really remember the percent tho

not much point in saving since the scaling is so bad

[foggy lark]

What stats would you say are most important for captains?

[wind umbra]

only stats u really want on captains are loot and speed

rest are pretty niche

and speed becomes less useful at some point

[foggy lark]

Ok thank you. what about artifact chance?

[wind umbra]

never really used it to get all my artifacts so not really sure how good of a bonus it is

but it becomes pretty useless when u get all artifacts

unless lava decides to add more at some point

[weary granite]

do you still get divinity and skill xp from keeping the game open?

[wind umbra]

no div only works afk

[zealous niche]

Speed/loot is best, speed/artifact or speed/rare chest are worth having over speed/cloud (only want one of these)

Late sailing you’ll want loot/loot but earlier every captain should have speed on them

[weary granite]

dang, I thought I just couldn't tell because it's only 1/hr at the start, a few chars are getting close to lvl 5 though

[random salmon]

so does siege breaker bonus loot only happen if siege breaker is the one to open the chest? or does everyone get the bonus loot as long as the talent is allocated?

[zealous niche]

Are you talking about unending loot?

[random salmon]

yeah

[marsh cliff]

What level should I level Royal sampler

[dapper prism]

Good question, technically barely even around level 3-4 will be enough for later on.

[cinder cliff]

is it possible to lose like.....1/3 of my dmg randomly

[marsh cliff]

Sweet thanks 👌

[zealous niche]

It’s not bonus loot

If your loot pile is full, and your boats bring back another chest, usually they dock with that chest and stop going to the islands

Instead with unending loot, they combine a portion of what they brought back and keep on going

[pure ember]

Wrong card set, talent preset, disconnection in Lab,

Prayer

[zealous niche]

So, it’s a net loss in terms of artifact gain since you open half as many chests

But if you’re sacrificing a lot of runs of loot it can be worth it to keep unending loot on

[dapper prism]

Just remember that printer sample rate caps at 90%. visible in the construction UI:
Although you may need it higher early on, it gets pretty easy to hit cap and anything higher on the prayer will just be a skill xp decrease for little to no reason. Going higher than 3-4 is fine, just dont max it like i did xD

https://i.imgur.com/JRLzFjZ.png

[pure ember]

I did just for the dopamine hit of seeing max level

[random salmon]

then the phrasing is rather confusing, since it just says "+x% chest loot (passive)"

[cinder cliff]

hmmm may have been prayer

[dapper prism]

It actually does have extra chest loot on it btw

[marsh cliff]

Gonna level till 3 and go from there!

[dapper prism]

Also here to check where to get more sample size stuff:
https://idleoninsight.com/?search=sample

[zealous niche]

Did you read it all?

[dapper prism]

I know the boats give you the extra chests over time (upgrade), but im also very sure that since i maxed after being done with artis that i did get more loot overall
Either way, never trust wording in this game

Guess it could have been rng when i changed it too. Either way the talent is terrible to use unless you only do sailing once a day

[random salmon]

yes, "+0.56% chest loot(passive)" seems to imply to me that all chests have more loot, and that it might replace a lower-rarity chest with a higher rarity one

[dapper prism]

Same to me else the % would have 0 purpose and make no sense, since 1 talent would be the same as 300. Unless it refered to chest upgrade chance, which i doubt as i believe those have static values.

[zealous niche]

Ok, you said as if you didn’t read any of the rest of the skill

The percent is how much of a chest is upgraded per round of extra chests

[random salmon]

there's literally nothing in the description that implies that?

[zealous niche]

I know, this is experience that is not seen

I’m explaining how the percent works now

So at first level 0.56% you’d need to do an extra 200 rounds of chests to double the loot of your loot pile

[dapper prism]

Just constantly saying "you didnt read the skill" even though it doesnt state any of that doesnt really do much tbh

[random salmon]

that's dumb 😂 but okay

[signal osprey]

Thats not how it works at all wtf

Where did you get that info

[tacit tulip]

I thought the % on the skill was an extra passive to increase treasure from chests

[dapper prism]

Like, we know a
Gilded chest has a 4.3% chance or a
Noble chest has a 0.67%

Obviously through the talent, going back and forth more, you would be more likely to get a better chest.. None of that random math youre tossing at me

[zealous niche]

I was replying.. thus the reply to a specific part

Using the reply function

[dapper prism]

100% the same here.

[signal osprey]

That is how it works

[zealous niche]

You get more loot the more rounds your guys bring back

[signal osprey]

Thats simply not true

[zealous niche]

??

[signal osprey]

The passive % loot applies to all chests regardless of the number of trips

Its just a % increased loot boost

[dapper prism]

The fact Contract and Sakori and I all see it the same way, is how I will believe it to be true. Anything else makes little sense in terms of programming, that would be so many extra layers for no damn reason

[signal osprey]

And the multiple trips stacking chest thing is just rng.

Each captain contributes the best chest he finds

[tacit tulip]

If: Bring back better chest -> Replace existing chest

right?

[signal osprey]

If his first chest is a gold chest he will keep going until he gets a higher chest yea

[dapper prism]

And base % of chests would be:
https://i.imgur.com/9Qd7eFU.png

[signal osprey]

And if he never gets a higher chest than he simply does nothing at all on all his subsequent trips

[zealous niche]

Hm, that could explain the constantly increasing loot

[dapper prism]

So "obviously" after X laps you will have better chests because you're replacing them

[signal osprey]

So doing more trips doesnt give better chests it gives more chances at getting better chests

[tacit tulip]

wow I didn't know a miracle chest could actually drop lmao

[random salmon]

so that all doesn't make sense to only work if siege breaker is active, or does it work the same as squire build rate buff? xD

[signal osprey]

Which obviously more chances means you will be better on average but its not guaranteed

[zealous niche]

Works account wide as long as it has levels

[dapper prism]

Typically all those talents are working on all the classes, for gaming, sailing, div kinda stuff.

[random salmon]

imean the build rate buff definitely doesn't 😂

[dapper prism]

But either way, the talent is kinda terrible unless you only check the game once a day kinda thing or if you have doot (10 omni) that keep proccing

[dapper prism]

W5*

[random salmon]

fair

[zealous niche]

Do they replace any chest? Or only the one brought back by them

[tacit tulip]

that I don't know tbh

[placid mural]

this is rediculous, i am going through like 25k water a day. . . i need higher capacity and regen. . . .

i hate having to refill 3 times with bubo

[fast grail]

It only gets worse

[zealous niche]

Like, if ship 1 brought back a gold, ship 2 an iron, can ship one bring back another gold and replace ship 2’s iron, or is it discarded in this situation

[signal osprey]

Pretty sure they only replace their own

Its really not a very good talent

[zealous niche]

Works for me, but my sailing claim times routinely make my captains fall off the side of the world

[random salmon]

well, if it does give a 30% buff to all loot it's somewhat decent 😂

[stuck elbow]

boys and girls, we go again

[wind umbra]

gl

i just reset at 14 a 3rd time yesterday

[prime imp]

It's because warriors based alchemy

[wind umbra]

no reset lucky

[random salmon]

alchemy?

[prime imp]

Yes

Because second bubble

[runic girder]

Builder bob or something like that

[prime imp]

With carpenter bubble

It's active only with active warrior

[random salmon]

what's that have to do with build rates dropping to +0% build speed when not on my dk? 😂

[random salmon]

yes... i have sheepie...
also

[prime imp]

This is the most important source of build speed

[sick sentinel]

its a small bubble so sheepie doesnt matter

[paper sail]

Carpenter is NOT a big bubble

[prime imp]

This is effect of second bubble, nothing more and nothing with talents

[random salmon]

so why doesn't it mention that 😂

[paper sail]

Mention what?

[sick sentinel]

[random salmon]

like, other bubbles say that "this is only for warriors", but carpenter doesn't

[random salmon]

aah...

[paper sail]

The only tricky part is that bubble2 only applies while active

[prime imp]

True is that isn't mentioned you must be online with warrior to activate bonus. When I started play I thought it is work as well for offline characters (like offline warrior)

[random salmon]

ye i guess that's the weird part, like i'd have expected carpentry to just make bb/dk's construction be higher than other chars, not that every char's construction would basically double when bb/dk are active

[tacit tulip]

That's how it reads - the trick is to assume everything lava writes is wrong 😄

[prime imp]

Idk why this is implemented how it is.. don't like this "must be active for second bubble" system

[paper sail]

The other trick is remembering Old Toolvip vs New Mechanic might be wonky

[pine folio]

the real maplestory inspiration in idleon is descriptions that range from questionably written to flat out incorrectly explaining the mechanic

[paper sail]

It happens other places too, just less impactful

[prime imp]

I would like to see fix all parts of game rather than adding new content

[paper sail]

Same.. Fixing all parts is a rewrite though lol

I'd settle for like community voted top 5 most annoying bugs / tooltip issues per month

[north juniper]

Which one of those is your DK/Squire and why are they around the same level as the others?

[paper sail]

Looking at you, auto arm

[north juniper]

If the auto arm anvil upgrade ever gets fixed, I’d be in heaven

[paper sail]

It is still my #1 complaint lmao

[prime imp]

Do u mean auto arm works only 1 time per day?

[north juniper]

Oh I feel you on that big time. I still have to go through the other 9 collecting.

[fathom grove]

One sample done

[fast grail]

Lava has said it is working as intended

[north juniper]

The bug is that it only collects in the characters logged in at reset

[north juniper]

That’s not what the text says, I’m sticking with bug like everyone else till that gets altered.

[paper sail]

I just want a full explanation of "intended" / tooltip update 😦

[fast grail]

Read from here:

#endgame-gen-chat message

[prime imp]

Yea this.. is stupid as fu** don't think it was intended 😄

[paper sail]

Some people say it auto-deposits any FULL character at day reset, but that never happens for me

[signal osprey]

I'm pretty sure it just deposits the character you're on

[fast grail]

from my understanding, if other characters already have un-deposited anvil gains, it despoits on them as wwell

[paper sail]

Based on that, it sounds like it deposits active character plus any unclaimed on other characters you've logged into.. but who doesn't clear anvil before swapping

[north juniper]

Nothing alluded to only 1 character being the aim for that auto arm. His wording leans towards having to log into that character for that unit to be a outcome of the auto deposit.

[north juniper]

Right exactly

[prisma drift]

Hi

[fast grail]

basically only 1 character gets that day's deposited, everyone else has yesterdays gains deposited

[prisma drift]

I just have capped anvil all the time

[signal osprey]

Yeah it deposits undeposited claims which in practice is only the character you're on

[north juniper]

I’ll test this out myself. I’ll let them all hit cap and then see if it deposits theirs the next day.

[random salmon]

routines? what?

[north juniper]

In the name of science

[fast grail]

I mean thats just how it works, because anvil production only procs on afk claim, thus lava logic

[north juniper]

I don’t know how many ways you can misconstrue this but I’ll still test that logic out

[paper sail]

"Basically no loss except this very common scenario that I nearly force you into" kills me 💀

[prime imp]

First time when I read this description I thought u will not use anvil storage anymore and production will be automatic sent to storage (every new product)

[dapper prism]

Same

[fast grail]

Nah, only daily reset it deposits whatever you have undeposited in anvil

[paper sail]

That would be dope, but also invalidate capacity

[fast grail]

so many things in this game are just not explained well, either straight up incorrect or missing information

[prime imp]

I know hot it works but description is super stupid and misleading

[north juniper]

I’m sure most people took it that way. It’s akin to the logic behind your food items not needing to be refilled after that arm upgrade

[paper sail]

My day reset is while I'm asleep, so I can't ever tell clearly

[prime imp]

For me it's around 17:00 and I usually have game opened

[north juniper]

Still testable. Slap everyone else to thread x3 and let ‘‘em roll

[fast grail]

Many things are like that. Like how are you supposed to know that name i guess bubble bonuses is based upon log of mana, but quick slap is 4x speed

[fast verge]

ok wow i 7xed my damage after some catching up on other things
dam

[thin adder]

Question regarding gaming - whats the best way to get level 5 plants? I just need Berri bush and Evergreen for my log book. Am I better off just leaving 1 evergreen and 1 berri bush until they rank up or have as many evergreens/bushes as possible and then leave them until they rank?

[fast verge]

the auto thing collects everyones anvil item as you login on after day reset

(only 1 time perday)

[prime imp]

I don't know this trick 😄 what is it?

[fast grail]

was just explaining the base damage bubbles, their descriptions are horrible, like also how are you supposed to know they are the ONLY bubble where every level is better than the last into infinity

So many things in this game just require obsecure knowledge about all mechanics, wiki, or asking someone who has that obsecure knowledge

[untold lintel]

i can imagine so much user-ran tests went into place back in early idleon to understand even half the stuff that goes in the game,lava is a visual designer, not a game designer so took a little extra time from the community to understand certain things

[fast grail]

actual testing and code diggers, although all the OG code diggers either quit or banned at this point

[little dawn]

anyone got tips for more carry cap? im struggling to afk on es for more than a few hours without maxxing out with max bags even.

[fast grail]

Gem shop, magma bags, stamps

[crystal ginkgo]

What's the move for 4th fishing island?

[dapper prism]

either way its normal to fill up quickly depending on mat.

You;ll start using filter more

[little dawn]

ya just sucks cause i need the monster stuff for vials

[dapper prism]

Kinda situational, technically fractal. But depends where you are in game
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[dapper prism]

Just 3D print with vman

[little dawn]

gooed idea but also need statues from penguins :/

[calm yew]

Hi. I just started using my siege breaker for the first time and it's pretty amazing! Right now I'm doing an act of just to watch. These tab 4 talents do they also work AFK?

[modern plaza]

for example fractal is useless if you are always doing somethings for the next 6 months

[dapper prism]

Meh, also useless if you just dont need it's bonuses

[sick sentinel]

the attack talents influence afk gains up to a certain point. flag and coins do not

[calm yew]

Ty 🙂

[modern plaza]

would be nice if the trophy was guaranteed in 100k hours

[dapper prism]

Yup, but rng at 100k is just excessively ridiculously high

[thin adder]

Question regarding gaming - whats the best way to get level 5 plants? I just need Berri bush and Evergreen for my log book. Am I better off just leaving 1 evergreen and 1 berri bush until they rank up or have as many evergreens/bushes as possible and then leave them until they rank?

[dapper prism]

How close are you to kitsune?

[pine pond]

I somehow got t5 without kitsune

No clue how lol

[dapper prism]

You can, that doesn't make much besides 4x faster

[pine pond]

But yeah I guess it helps

Slowly getting my t6 now

[dapper prism]

Whats your growth cycle time and evo chance ?

[calm yew]

anyone know what that number 8 is down in the right hand corner?

[dapper prism]

Usually some UI overlay issue

just reload map?

[calm yew]

Yeah it went away right after I logged out and logged back in. Thank you

[pine pond]

Down to 3 minutes I think

[dapper prism]

So you do have kitsune?

Oh, you're the wrong person

[pine pond]

Yeah lol

Yes

[dapper prism]

Both grey profile pics

[north juniper]

Finally resampled my 2nd ES

Poor guy was pulling in 32k potty rolls

https://tenor.com/view/longtime-titanic-84years-gif-5134219

[thin adder]

Growth cycle is 56 mins with a 19% evo chance

I have Kitsune but I haven't used it yet cause I've been focusing on point gains, should I start using it?

[tight ridge]

can I get to rift 31 with these stats

[solid scaffold]

What's the best way to get power statues?

[tight ridge]

DK on beans

[solid scaffold]

Ok TY

[tardy oak]

pop obols need to be rerrolled to 3% before combining to silver?

[sick sentinel]

to save shards yes, only need to reroll the obol in the left combine slot tho

[tardy oak]

and the cube drop chance sqaures 5% is correct?

[sick sentinel]

5% is base

[tardy oak]

can u roll it higher?

[sick sentinel]

Can get +1 or -1

For any misc % stat on obols

[tardy oak]

thanks

i feel so stupid after i watched today so many videos about bubo farming, obols etc. 1,3k hours in this game and i think what did i do in the past 😄

[sick sentinel]

Theres just too much to know in this game haha no worries there

[opaque sun]

If you can manage the frequent harvest, using kitsune also offers more net points

[sharp igloo]

Which island did you guys unlock after trash/shimmer/seasalt?

[opaque sun]

crystal. Then 5th as rando, fractal as 6th

[dapper prism]

same, but mainly because fractal had 0 purpose for where im at in the game

[sharp igloo]

How many crystals appear on crystal island?

[opaque sun]

fractal is not time gated so it can always wait

Unless lava adds like a new dungeon flurbo content soon

Got like roughly 30-40 hrs worth of candies

[sharp igloo]

Each day or each week?

[opaque sun]

Probably been stacked for like a week worth or something

Its each day

Its like 2-3 crystals per day, but stacks for couple a days (probably like a week worth)

[dapper prism]

2-3 crystals a day

[fast grail]

What is best to kill those crystals? Vman probably?

[opaque sun]

Giant drop table ignores dr unless you want to maximize the statue drops

[dapper prism]

the statues were kinda minimal to me

[opaque sun]

So id say any class is fine

[sharp igloo]

2-3 crystals a day seems like nothing. I get more than that like every minute of active farming. Is there something special about the ones on the island?

[dapper prism]

they drop candy

[sharp igloo]

Oh okay

[opaque sun]

its giant crystal