lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[tacit sentinel]

Why reroll?

[dapper prism]

6% afk gain instead of 5%, explained further up

[tacit sentinel]

Oeh nice

[hardy shale]

just unlocked purrmep, should I link him with my BB thats just sitting in the kitchen?

[tacit sentinel]

What lvl should I aim for with molto loggo? To get sweet atoms

[dapper prism]

like 120-150 depends on your stamps, multi log caps at 300%

lvl 140 would be around 240% and then the rest would come from other stuff

[serene forum]

My first time learning this today rofl

Is reroll worth it though? Seems to only add insignificant stats

[tacit sentinel]

Ah okay so lvl 134 is okay what I have

[dapper prism]

afk gain is afk gain. always worth it, also on slush etc

[dapper prism]

Idk, depends on your other stuff, you can open Items > Skills Info > then click the skill and see what your multi chance is at
https://i.imgur.com/7dHV3dV.png

and just be sure that hits 300%

[tacit sentinel]

I have 284

So little more to grow

[dapper prism]

also remember star signs are usually equipped when u do the skill

[gray thicket]

Hello

[tacit sentinel]

I have them al active If I remember

[gray thicket]

What should the minimum level for skills be for Voidwalker?

[dapper prism]

like, skilling skills?

or talents?

[gray thicket]

Yes

Skilling skills

[dapper prism]

Higher than anyone else

[gray thicket]

Makes sense

[tacit tulip]

I've started letting my off-skilling characters overtake vman tbh

like who cares if my DK overtakes my vman in chopping?

[dapper prism]

The highest tool requirement is mining pickaxe at 70. wood fish catch are 60/65's

So a good initial goal is to go for around lvl 71-72 on everything. Then later just get to new milestones like 80/90/100 kinda thing. or 81/91/101 so that the alts can be in the 10's

[tacit tulip]

(happened while farming cards)

[dapper prism]

Nobody but also weird that that would/could even happen xD

[tacit tulip]

I was grinding out ruby chopping cards while also levelling my vmans other skills

so it kinda just happened

[gray thicket]

[barren otter]

i am finally done farming all dreadlo tools...

just need seasalt to not suffer leveling fishing

[dapper prism]

Same 😦

Trying to get everyone to all 70's+ now for all dreadlo on everyone

Forgot ill have to grind a ton of pearls huh?

[barren otter]

if you wait for seasalt you dont need the pearls

[signal osprey]

Pearls are pretty easy. I'm getting like 30/hour on DK. Es would be a lot faster but then I would have to use ES so no thank you

[barren otter]

unless your guys are literally lvl 1 fishing

[dapper prism]

Still need starfire tools (pearls) to make dreadlo ?

[barren otter]

wait

[fervent brook]

I hope lava is working on obol QOL improvements lol.

[barren otter]

i was thinking of divinty pearls...

[dapper prism]

Auto-frag/delete would be nice

[barren otter]

lol

[fervent brook]

If he plans on adding new obols, he really needs to overhaul how they are stored.

[dapper prism]

100%

[barren otter]

and how they're slotted

[dapper prism]

Would be nice to get Presets or sets. Plus auto delete/frag

[barren otter]

yea

all that need that all

[dapper prism]

As simple as card presets. May as well be nice to not need multiple sets but literally like cards. to toggle around, and use on the same chars 🤷

[signal osprey]

Filter obols and you never need to frag them again

[dapper prism]

still need fragments 😦

[barren otter]

if only filtering it also gave the frags

im still rerolling sparkles...

[lament jasper]

are u guys running kattle obol or sparkle dice ?

[signal osprey]

You can do both. Run dice while active and then swap to kruk before you claim afk gains and they count for the full time

[hidden grove]

https://kuroooooooooo.idleonefficiency.com/

[dapper prism]

Kattle right now but usually dice since im key farming. If you're very sweaty you could keep it on dice while you active overnight, then switch to kattle before logging into alts.

[hidden grove]

Can I get some advice on what to do after my fellas get off div

[lament jasper]

alright alright thanks

[barren otter]

@dapper prism did you ever reroll your chopping sparkles?

[hidden grove]

or stuff to do in general

[dapper prism]

No, since Kruk is better than chop for samples

[barren otter]

was wondering if you ever got it higher than 9% for it to be better than the 6% afk gain

[signal osprey]

Its not

[barren otter]

unfortunate

[dapper prism]

The max would be 9%, since base is 8% afaik

But even then, the afk gain was still better and im already at 427% afk gain

[signal osprey]

I had a full set of 4 mining and chopping sparkles all double rolled +1 power/+1 efficiency

[barren otter]

ah youre right

forgot it cant go higher than 9%

[signal osprey]

Took months to do those and a I finished a couple weeks before kruk

[dapper prism]

Thats rough

Btw, anyone here got Idle Skilling Trophy?

[barren otter]

guess im almost done with rerolling obols soon then

only 1 slush obol away

[rotund smelt]

Is it worth trying to get the 6 stage evo currently when kitsune brings me to 7min cycles and I have 19.1% evo chance thingy?

[lament jasper]

almost hitting 10

[signal osprey]

I'm keeping those sparkles though because they're actually pretty close to kruk so maybe a little more afk% power creep will make them better (lava pls)

[signal osprey]

I have one

[dapper prism]

At 3 minute cycle, 20%, with 10x T5's ready, it takes ~150 days of gaming time (which is a few days with chem+log procs) so 6min would be double that time

[rotund smelt]

Ah nice, ty

I'll hold off some more then

[dapper prism]

So, i just got my 6th reward of 10, the 550 gems. And this Idleon CD is getting longer and longer.. 4 more rewards to go, do you know how long these CD gets?
https://i.imgur.com/FK0Xg99.png

Will it stay 5 days per, or get worse?

[lament jasper]

Do u guys run yum yum desert card set, easy ressources or hard resource on sampling ? i feel like desert may be better especially in mining ?

[signal osprey]

It gets worse up to two weeks i think for the last one

Easy resources is almost always the best for sampling

[dapper prism]

Easy (skill effy) is usually best for samples. Barely ever did i have gain better than effy. (i do test/compare every now and then)

[signal osprey]

The more efficiency you have total the further it pulls ahead of the other options too

[lament jasper]

And can u snapshot mining eff based off HP on yumyum then switch to easy resource ?

[signal osprey]

If you're early on in progression then some of the later ores like dementia or void you might get more with hard resources though

But eventually easy is best for everything

[lament jasper]

But would snapshotting the bonus xp work ?

[dapper prism]

So 32 days for me, damn... Thing is once u get to mountains or mist for realm, you basically get all rewards "instantly besides the CD, until trophy, trophy is the only thing to actually still grind... :/

[signal osprey]

Yeah you can snap shot hp. Run a full hp set and then quick ref the alchemy UI which locks in the bonus eff. After that swap to normal sampling setup

[lament jasper]

ooh nice

[tacit sentinel]

I really can't get further in idle skilling

[dapper prism]

Just made this vid last night
How to Snapshot Stats/cards (this case woodcutting for wood sample)

• Equip all your best Stat gear, keychains, anything to max your WIS/Mana (or STR/HP for mining)
• Equip cards that maximize the above
• Go to quick Ref, Alchemy then close it
• Change to your best Effy/sample stuff.

I'd only do this on Oak/Copper, as it resets for any map change

[lament jasper]

Coool, i'll do that when i'll finally stop being lazy resampling

Didn't know opening alchemy would work for snapshot though always were opening gemshop or exiting map

[dapper prism]

Think thats just for card chance?

[signal osprey]

Alch is specific to hp/mp snaps

[lament jasper]

ooooh

[signal osprey]

Likely because the hp/mp efficiency scaling comes from alch bubbles

[tacit sentinel]

Do you get big bonuses for snapshot?

[signal osprey]

So viewing alch makes it recheck you stats for those bubbles

[dapper prism]

See vid above. took 30s and made sample go from 975 to 988m

[tacit sentinel]

Nice

[dapper prism]

could you snapshot obols? Wis to Wood obols? xD

[signal osprey]

Its not a super big increase but it takes less than a minute and you sit on that bonus for at least a few weeks if not longer

[manic moat]

Three straight days and no change. I have up to 6 evo unlocked but nothing is even getting to the 5th evo. my rock is on and I have 7.8 minute growth cycles

[tacit sentinel]

That's True

[dapper prism]

Dont grind Evos if you dont have Chem

[signal osprey]

You won't keep the extra wisdom when you swap back but you can use it for a bigger mana snap

[tacit sentinel]

Why not

[signal osprey]

I use troll sparkles when snap shotting

[manic moat]

what does chem do?

[dapper prism]

Skip time, lots of time

[dapper prism]

Because having 8min cycle with 10x T4's would take ~ 6.5 days for a single T5.

[signal osprey]

You have a 5th evo bonsai btw

[manic moat]

so just use rock and harvest once it gets full?

[manic moat]

nah, it's 4th, nvm

[signal osprey]

Look by the shovel

[dapper prism]

Unless the bits will help you unlock something important, i would just focus on getting genes to attempt for chemicals

[dapper prism]

And yeh, that bonsai is clearly T5. it has the extra branch on the right. also easy to remember how many "leaf piles" it has.

[manic moat]

yeah, I'm not close to unlocking anything new for awhile which is why I'd thought I'd go for evos

[dapper prism]

Chemicals are the game changer that you want

[signal osprey]

If you don't have chems you're gonna have a hard time getting evos

[tacit sentinel]

Should I stop now?

[dapper prism]

stop what?

[tacit sentinel]

Trying vor Evo 6

[dapper prism]

yes, you wont get evo 6

[signal osprey]

Yeah definitely stop that. You farm T6 by having like 5 T5 on the board and cycling the rest of your plants for chems

[prisma drift]

I’d say get snail before evo 6

[dapper prism]

Do you have chemicals?

[manic moat]

try for chemicals at every .3% then?

[tacit sentinel]

Nop

[prisma drift]

.1 is meta

[dapper prism]

or less, just spam that button, every time, any time. All the time.

[manic moat]

lol

[signal osprey]

You'll get a 500k nugget before you get T6 without chems

[dapper prism]

Then you won't get evo

A 10 minute cycle, with 10x T4's takes 8+ days for a single T5
The same ^ but with 10x T5's takes 499 days for a single T6

[signal osprey]

With chems it can still take weeks to get even 1 T6

[tacit sentinel]

The t6 is the 250* rare plant Evo right?

[dapper prism]

Essentially you get your cycle time down to ~3minutes which makes it 150 days
And log + chemical time skips count to that average time

Chemical Plant Hour skip based on tier.
1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36

A t5 Chemical will be a full day time skip, resetting your log, which will create nice chains

[tacit sentinel]

Than I already have 4/8 plants t6 unlocked

[dapper prism]

You can just check the Log book (and count them)

[dapper prism]

You must have wasted so much damn time without having chemicals xD

[signal osprey]

I promise in the time it took to do that you would have gotten all of them done if you had chems

[dapper prism]

Took me around 2-3 weeks to get all T6's after i set it all up properly.

[tacit sentinel]

I get sometimes 3-6 times from login gaming time

[signal osprey]

Plus you don't even have snail yet and you're not harvesting plants

Getting snail asap is important

[dapper prism]

Shooting yourself in the leg, then you threw away your crutches.

[tacit sentinel]

So best getting time picked up and try getting chem?

[signal osprey]

Yeah getting chem and snail as soon as you can will be way better than getting the last T6

Getting T6 is kinda minmax when you're done with other stuff

[tacit sentinel]

Ah okay

[hardy shale]

Wait, getting higher plant evolutions isn't rng but just time? like I can't just be extremely lucky and get 4-5-6 in 3 grow cycles?

[dapper prism]

It is RNG

I was listing out the average time base on the math, there's a spreadsheet for it

[signal osprey]

It is rng but rng has expected outcomes and you can measure them in time

[hardy shale]

ah

[signal osprey]

And the average time for a T6 is too damn long

[dapper prism]

3 min cycle, 10x t5's on map:
T6 = 150 days
T7 = ||15000|| days

[near mist]

What do yall have your 10 characters doing?

[dapper prism]

Depends what you need

[barren otter]

ill get my t7 tomorrow dont worry trickz

[dapper prism]

Lol, Hope you do x3

[barren otter]

meanwhile cant even afford it

[signal osprey]

Theres probably only a dozen or so people who have it unlocked let alone actually got one already

[dapper prism]

gimi 10k from your nugget so we become equals? 😄
https://i.imgur.com/Hc9NOZP.png

That's another helpful thing about chems ^ more nugget attempts.

[signal osprey]

I personally don't consider more disappointment to be helpful but to each their own I guess

[untold saffron]

is it reasonable to go for T6's with 3.2 minute cycles and doot?

[dapper prism]

My nugget went from 13k to 15k to 17k 😦 if i get anything under 20k as my next nugget i'll lose it 😦

[autumn wasp]

when is it worth saving up for snail?

[barren otter]

clearly your next nugget is going to be 19k

[dapper prism]

I'd say if it takes you less than a week, usually my rule was 3-4 days of saving for a big upgrade can be worth it.

[prisma drift]

[dapper prism]

Snail will be a huge upgrade to bits. but it also takes time. it won't do anything for the first 3 days.

[untold saffron]

are you a frost prince yet?

[prisma drift]

Me and yondergreen still fighting

[untold saffron]

stay together for the kids man, bill is already struggling

[prisma drift]

Bill was kicked out of the town for using too much snow

[untold saffron]

who got kicked out for using too much nullo salt? i could do with giving them a visit

[prisma drift]

I wish I had nullo salt

[hollow wasp]

best way to get the Bucket of Slush recipe? i have 1m deathnote on all mobs from bloque to thermistor and didnt drop it :<

[prisma drift]

Es

[hollow wasp]

thats what i try rn

[prisma drift]

I pray for your rng

[hollow wasp]

:c

my miniboss is max

so i need this rn

[tacit sentinel]

What drop rate do you have

[autumn wasp]

If i cant get my bits income to be higher except through sailing, I should try and get chem even without snail?

[hollow wasp]

6x

[dapper prism]

getting snail vs getting chem isnt the same thing. You can attempt to get chems at any time as that's not a currency unlock

[dapper prism]

Remember, MK doesnt count for the drop

[autumn wasp]

ty

[hollow wasp]

ye sucks

i still work on my Deathnote for vman

almost done

[noble mesa]

White for the magma recipe..

[dreamy spruce]

I think I've been farming too many citringes dont think I ever multikilled either

[noble mesa]

U need more gmush

Like gmush forever

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah farming them on SBs now

[mossy void]

why are 2 siege breakers and 2 divine knights recommended?

[glad crow]

these are beginning to take some time to level up

[glad crow]

because the 2 bb and 2 bms is the most useless thing ever

[mossy void]

2 bms are useless because their talents do not stack at all

[full lynx]

I thought ppl recommended 2 bbs for cooking

[mossy void]

but 2 bb can cook at once

so for 2 dk to be better than 2 bb, they have to offer something juicy

[glad crow]

let me tell you little something about.... Construction

[mossy void]

lol

I used one of my dks to push lvl 4 instead of doing construction

It was a bad move

[glad crow]

wdym level 4?

[mossy void]

Oh sorry, I meant W4 into W5

[glad crow]

also why is noone this.... i feel ignored

[mossy void]

Didn't writte it properly

[glad crow]

oh okay that makes sense

[mossy void]

Do these 3 talents stack if I have 2 dks with them?

[fast grail]

Don’t worry, I’ll be sure to every picture I see of yours from now on

[glad crow]

thank you very much kind sir

[modern plaza]

double dk or bb will always be a good debate imo

[lost tendon]

The real question, do these talents apply if they are not on the current selected profile?

I have a mining profile where I have the bits talent maxed

shit

[modern plaza]

i like double bb for the fish prints lol

[tacit tulip]

you'd want to swap to that profile before harvesting yeah

[lost tendon]

Also for sailing?

right

[mossy void]

I believe the bits talent applies independant on which character you have active

I mean, solely from the text, not from experience

[lost tendon]

Uhm but even if its not active, as in the profile

?

[mossy void]

what do you mean by profile?. By active i mean the character you are currently controlling. Do you mean sommething else?

[lost tendon]

Na i mean the profile you can switch in townhall

like you have a attacking profile and a mining profilee for example

where you spend talents

[mossy void]

ah, I call the profile something else in my head, now I get it

you need to have it in your profile, i'm 100% sure

I mean, that's how it works for absolutely all talents, except for acme anvil, sorta

[dense cosmos]

Technically a question - Anyone want to join us pizza 20 for happy hour?

[strong crag]

It needs to have points on a preset of your dk. Only put points into 1 of Your dks if you have 2

You don't have to active the dk, just have the points on his preset

And make sure its his current preset

[signal osprey]

@glad crow

[glad crow]

wut

oh yeah thank you

[fading dust]

Hello endgamers, throw me the one thing you did to boost ur damage in the mid-game.

[autumn wasp]

the last bubble

power of tri

[fading cape]

is W5 midgame? I mean we're here so I guess. But my biggest damage increase when trying to hit 100m was crystal streak artifact

[edgy pendant]

That’s gotta be endgame 😛

[fading cape]

nah. endgame way past final alchemy bubbles

[fading dust]

Was hella lucky and got Eldritch crystal steak 🫨

[signal osprey]

Unlocking the last bubble is like the start of midgame lol

[edgy pendant]

So mats requiring late sailing loot is not endgame?

[signal osprey]

Sailing is just rng

[edgy pendant]

I mean there’s end game and there’s being done with content lol

[signal osprey]

Your account progress is not indicative of your sailing progress

[fading cape]

you will not. Ever. be done with content

[signal osprey]

Its an incremental game

[fading cape]

chain yourself to your device and insert feeding tube.

[edgy pendant]

Hourly clicking is not what I would call content 😛

[signal osprey]

Your progress is measured by how far you push the mechanics

[fading dust]

Is it worth going back to earlier islands that you have finished Eldritch on to get materials to upgrade boats? 🤔

[signal osprey]

Being end game is when youve pushed most of the mechanics to the end

[edgy pendant]

One way to see it I guess

[signal osprey]

If you need the speed then yeah its not a bad way to go about it

[fading dust]

I’m mostly pushing for more Eldritch artifacts and banking on other sailing speed upgrades, but I’m starting to hit a wall

[fading cape]

The idleon discord community generally agrees that endgame is a very very far point where you have hardcapped most mechanics. Many will refuse to concede that they are endgame even then

[signal osprey]

People have called me endgame but I have never once called myself endgame

[fading dust]

Ugh, maybe I need to boost my loot value then. Feels bad to spend 2 hours to go back and forth between the first island while my loot value is low

[fading cape]

I myself am probably a year from endgame. minimum. Assuming no new mechanics come out

[edgy pendant]

Lol, ok. Call it end of new content then

[fading dust]

Like my post on Player Feedback if you havent already https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1128712987763560509

[signal osprey]

Getting good loot value is pretty important too yeah

[fading cape]

oh you don't want me to do that. I'm a big dolphin. I like buying chips

[fading dust]

Maybe Lava will remove chip purchase limit 👀

[serene forum]

Fastest way to gain sigils? On the 12-16k exp required. Moving super slow.

[noble mesa]

4 chrecters at ones

[signal osprey]

Sigils are always slow no matter what you do

[serene forum]

Even if you buy all gemshop?

[fading cape]

you have the artifact that boosts? That one plus the faster sigil rate charge sigil, plus the gem shop purchases for faster sigils, are the only ways to increase sigil charge time

[signal osprey]

Yeah

The gemshop purchases are the difference between completing a sigil in 2 months or 6 months

But like its still 2 months for a single sigil lol

[serene forum]

Yup. It’s elderich also.

[fading cape]

yeah than that's all you got. Even with all that I'm at like 15 days to next sigil. And that's probably nothing

[fading dust]

Does bubo not provide boost to sigil charge with CC?

[signal osprey]

I have the maximum possible sigil speed and 4 characters on this

It will always be slow

Thankfully most of the good sigils are early ones which are cheap in comparison to later ones

So while it takes years to finish all sigils you can realistically finish almost all of the important stuff in a few months total

[fading cape]

yeah thankfully the later ones aren't required. Just helpful

[signal osprey]

The rest of those years are spent on ones that dont matter much

[fading cape]

can you imagine getting gold refinery speed sigil in W3 or W4? You'd never have any materials. haha

[fading dust]

Why does Lava put this sigil into the game if its gonna take that long to get it? 🤔

[signal osprey]

Taking awhile is its purpose

Sigils were the answer to the question of what to do in alchemy when your cauldrons are done

It was created to be a time sink

[fading cape]

https://tenor.com/view/just-because-just-because-shrug-well-gif-12851535

[signal osprey]

The problem is that on release the bonuses were small so it didnt feel too bad to not have them but now the sailing artifact makes them actually strong so it does feel kinda bad to not have them

[fading cape]

yeah. Probably W6 content that will increase shinies effect in W3, pushing that one to a new level too. Each world gets something new. Maybe one day a sigil alchemy bubble. Who knows

[fading dust]

Haha I have only had my characters on cauldrons - gonna need to put em on sigils ig

[signal osprey]

If you still need alch bubbles unlocked than cauldrons are more important

Always do bubbles before sigils

[autumn wasp]

if u 170 the cauldron is there still any point in leaving a character in there?

[royal zinc]

only when unlocking new bubles

[fast grail]

Can unlock w6/7/8 bubbles

[autumn wasp]

i forgot thats even a thing

[sacred monolith]

Can you unlock bubbles that don't exist yet?

[bold quiver]

does this work for log on logs from mage class?

[stuck elbow]

still faster than F2P doot lol

[sacred monolith]

Don't believe so. I think its just the mining one because its an 'attack'

[autumn wasp]

yes

[sacred monolith]

Did not realize that. I've been languishing in Sigils for a while

[autumn wasp]

u prb didnt miss much, im just gonna leave the bubos in there once everything 170

[foggy lark]

Does cranium cooking also affect sigil speed, as it is apart of the alchemy mechanic

[boreal cosmos]

I have doot. Also I haven't ignored anything, I just only have so much time per day to do things and many different ones to which takes time. Your responses are super condescending. Also if you will look I pumped my skilling stamps a ton yesterday a stamps are currently a priority and I am working on the long term ones and getting the easier ones as I can.

[fast grail]

52m for W6, 272m for W7 , 1.3B for W8

[boreal cosmos]

I think I understand the basic mechanics to be able to brute force to w5 and make my way back to the more important early world things and prioritize each characters time in each day as I can

[autumn wasp]

does doot activate goat even if you dont have it unlocked?

[boreal cosmos]

Yes

[autumn wasp]

can u upgrade the minor links?

[boreal cosmos]

I think divinity levels increase that right?

The blessings you can only upgrade if you have them unlocked

[autumn wasp]

oh yea i meant blessings

[fathom lagoon]

My guy, trickz isn’t being condescending. If you post your IE & ask for a review always expect it to be cutthroat cause it’s the same few things every time

[boreal cosmos]

I literally asked if anyone saw anything obvious to boost my man green shrooms kc

That's it

[fathom lagoon]

I feel ya but don’t take it personal when people call things out lol we all here to help each other

Things can come off as harsh w no tone since it’s all text lol

[signal osprey]

#1 rule in W5 chat is to never post IE if you don't have thick skin. Harsh criticism is a rite of passage

[fathom lagoon]

Damn I always thought it did lol so I guess it’s only the pickaxe one? And the fishing one?

[signal osprey]

If you can't accept that then link your IE in gen chat or something

[fathom lagoon]

I still haven’t connected to IE for that reason 🫣

[dapper prism]

Lol no need to take so much offense, you ask for a review, then take offense xD
A bunch of the stuff is really quick to do, or happens passively if you set it up.

Also if you have doot you need to mention that as that makes a huge difference in a lot of aspects of the game, and others cant see what companions you have as its mostly bugged in IE.

[boreal cosmos]

I wasn't asking for an entire review just increasing green mush count on my mman

I'm well aware many parts of my account need work which I'm working on

[signal osprey]

Thats the beauty of IE

Once you post it you don't get to ask for one specific part

Your whole account is ready to be ripped apart

[dapper prism]

Yeh and for that you need a lot of things like alch, stamps etc. everything goes hand in hand together.
Having stamps like MP stamp at level 3, costing 23 gublin ears to upgrade while you have 25k+ in storage, will help dmg through an alchemy bubble that gives base dmg from mana for example.

[signal osprey]

If you can't afford troll then you can't afford troll. Chizoar is the next best 🤷‍♂️

[wanton ledge]

Do you survive?

[dapper prism]

Nawh chizoar is pretty good tbh. especially if you use W5 stones on it.

[fathom lagoon]

What’re you running now? I’m at firespirit w full dementia and doing fine

Working towards void finally lol

[paper nova]

.> I'm not even to w4 yet... wanted to see how cool the w5 chat was <.<

[autumn wasp]

i use skilling armor while waiting for nullos salts

[fathom lagoon]

You’ll be at the cool kids table soon

[autumn wasp]

just get the weapon

[dapper prism]

Try to not buy more tente rings, emp is a lot better since a ton of stuff will scale with stats

[fathom lagoon]

wonder why your defence is so low. I’m at around 2.5k w dementia

[dapper prism]

FMJ levels?

[fathom lagoon]

My fmj is 105

Oh that’s why then lol

Boost that up

At 105 it’s +52% def and +1 base def per class lvl

[signal osprey]

Do you not have your lab active? NBLB should be hitting it

[dapper prism]

No bubble left behind

[autumn wasp]

is that yours?

[dapper prism]

a node that levels your lowest alch bubbles automatically for free every daily reset

[fathom lagoon]

Yeah my fmj lvl

[signal osprey]

Yeah getting that higher is gonna be a must. Even with troll gear you'll struggle later on with only 19 fmj

[autumn wasp]

can u survive tremor wurms? i have around the same

[prisma drift]

My fmj was around 100 when I hit tremor

Had to take off the multikill prayer to survive crystals

[dapper prism]

^ same for bubo, but DK is fine with his insane hp

[autumn wasp]

my ES just runs out of mana and dies

[prisma drift]

I can’t see my mana bar move

Gotta get more mana

[high horizon]

Why is two siege breakers meta? Do the sailing talents stack?

[dapper prism]

they dont

[prisma drift]

Double bug prints

[dapper prism]

but its better than 2 bm, since 1 bm is already nearly useless xD

Use 1 to gmush stack, 2nd to keep sb talents for sailing/dr active at all times

[signal osprey]

Really the only reason 2 SB is recommended is because its the safest option to prepare you for future worlds

[prisma drift]

We all know super elite beast master gonna be the next meta

2 BM meta

[signal osprey]

Currently have a 4th warr or mage would be better but if we get new classes before lava gives us a way to swap them that might mean you're stuck without a new elite until lava fixes it

So having a 2nd SB is a safe option that still offers a decent afk farmer

[high horizon]

I see, that makes sense. I was thinking three ES sounds nice for omniphau but in future worlds the lack of balance would probably be an issue. Thanks!

[signal osprey]

Yeah its mostly a risk reward thing. Do you want a short term gain long enough to risk a potential long term detriment assuming lava is slow to give us class swaps

But realistically ES is just a better SB as far as duplicate characters go

[opaque sun]

sb can always print catching, but bm doesnt have any printing skills, and his talents doesnt do anything by having a redundancy

[signal osprey]

The only true advantage would be bug prints but those lose usefulness very quickly compared to mining and chopping prints for atoms

[prisma drift]

Help me hit hourly click on fmj one day

[dapper prism]

For me 2nd DK/ES/SB besides the safety net of future content was also so you could have your lab alts (them) always have the gaming/sailing/divinity dr/xp talents on 24/7 without having to ever worry about it.
Helps for a long time until you get a ton of talents, then a bit redunant

[opaque sun]

With shimmer def trials, second sb is even more viable as a dedicated slot to print fmj fruitflies

[signal osprey]

If 1 week of shimmers out of 22 weeks is the best we can come up with for why 2 SB is good then I think its not that good lol

[dapper prism]

Its 22 trials?!

Are they in personal rota or pure rng and you could get the same one b2b(2b2b) kinda thing?

[hot prawn]

I got the construction mastery in rift but the +100 max talent levels aren't showing up. Help?

[prisma drift]

Not talent levels

[runic girder]

Ive seen people have different trials

So probably random

[dapper prism]

thats for talent library. Try cloudsaving or something

[prisma drift]

It’s 100 more levels in construction to talent library

Gotta get building

[hot prawn]

Max talent in Library, potato tomato

[dapper prism]

Oh i know people are on different stuff in a week, but it could still be a rotation?

[prisma drift]

If you already knew I apologize cloud save will fix

[bold quiver]

i cant bring myself to level this

[dapper prism]

No, it's the building level for library, not talent.

[prisma drift]

So many frog

My trapping is bad

[bold quiver]

=[

same my trappig sucks

[hot prawn]

Oh. We'll that's significantly less cool.

[prisma drift]

Man 100 levels would give us 4 second tent

That would be crazy

[bold quiver]

yeah but would it matter tho?

game cant even spam the talents as fast as we get already

[prisma drift]

Eh my raise the dead has a few breaks in it sometimes

[dapper prism]

more like +100 lvls in CC that would help

[bold quiver]

this would be better

[prisma drift]

Would be marginally better but still better

I don’t have good crystal chance still 1/34

Neglected my shrines bad

[bold quiver]

my shrines havent been leveled since forever

[prisma drift]

I forgot them in w4 and went to w5

[bold quiver]

exactly

[dapper prism]

Not only would your CC gain 50s time, but the time skip per mob kill is 32+s instead of 30.. (comparing 309 to 409)

Which should technically be 414+ ig

[signal osprey]

And thats before the bubble % effect

[prisma drift]

Well I meant the tent to 400 would be marginally better for me

[bold quiver]

problem is that game cant cast skills fast enough

[signal osprey]

400 tent would be insane

[bold quiver]

so it doesnt matter

[dapper prism]

New pet companion, Abilities have no GCD!

[bold quiver]

i'd prefer +100 lvls on cc

[signal osprey]

It brings CC off cool down faster so it matters a lot

[dapper prism]

Let's go legendary pet!

[bold quiver]

lets go

[dapper prism]

That too, downtime on cc would no longer be ~50-50 but a decent part better

[signal osprey]

Even if it barely makes you use raise dead faster the CC itself will have no down time at 4 second tent

Between that and the extra 100 levels in CC itself we would have nearly 100% uptime

[bold quiver]

yeah

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/e7f83157da28ff972dfd20ccf5f5cf41.png

this is hard capped right?

[bold quiver]

no

[untold saffron]

oh i heard it got hard capped to 20%

[dapper prism]

At least not visually, just gets pricey

[bold quiver]

i can get mine higher if i wanted to, to 20,6

or 20,7

[dapper prism]

Now in code is a whole other question

[tacit tulip]

yeah I'd seen the 20% cap thrown around here a few times - good ole misinformation

[untold saffron]

welp, upgraded to 20.2 at least now

[dapper prism]

PTSD of being told that mman 3d print % chance is capped at 70% even though it goes way higher visually in the talent tree

[tacit tulip]

wait, is that one not true?

[bold quiver]

i heard its true

[signal osprey]

No it is true

[dapper prism]

Apparently it is true, idk. But i mean Lava code in the sense of it shows something visually, but doesnt do what you think

[bold quiver]

its true, bathroom stalls have some real facts

[runic girder]

Said by the dude who talks in gen chat once every month

I wonder how much he lurks though

[prisma drift]

I think a decent amount tbh

[bold quiver]

😮

ive hoped on gen chat a few times, wild place

[dapper prism]

Leveling alts skills getting me close to that gem greenstack! (was 10.8k last night)
https://i.imgur.com/1Hh5AnL.png

[prisma drift]

Close

[signal osprey]

This channel isn't that much different from gen chat anymore though

Half of W5 got banned or quit

[bold quiver]

the purge

[north bison]

No one is sharing up to date guides anymore, no endgamers care anymore

At least I see nothing mined for islands expansion pinned anywhere

[signal osprey]

All the endgamers who did guides and spreadsheets are gone

[dapper prism]

It's been shared dozens of times here

[signal osprey]

Why make a guide for a game you don't play

[bold quiver]

the best guide has been deleted, someone reuploaded the best guide on docs again but it hasnt been fixed unfortunately

[green eagle]

asdlfjadflajdfl;asdjf i accidentally clicked the stupid portal and lost two days worth of bottles for my islands

[bold quiver]

so we only have the bad guide available when u type the command =[

[dapper prism]

(Although in my opinion and some other people here, go seasalt before shimmer)
https://i.imgur.com/wACmQ8e.jpeg

[green eagle]

ye seasalt was a godsend

who cares about a tiny bit of stats amirite

[dapper prism]

Couldnt we technically have a chat mod pin it?

[bold quiver]

shimmer suck, im still trying to find reason for that island

[dapper prism]

Yup...

[bold quiver]

yeah but they refuse to pin the good guide cuz its not original aparently *thats what i heard

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

[dapper prism]

So.. gotta rewrite it, reformat it, with basically the same info? then we good?

[bold quiver]

thre is a disclaimer there stating that its a copy of the deleted so its fine

[dapper prism]

Yup, with original credit

To me, removing a guide you've written just feels petty either way

[north bison]

This should be pinned, no?

[bold quiver]

yeah it iswhat it is

maybe some form of protest

[dapper prism]

Could ask a mod probably 🤷
Although i'd still say the pic needs changes

[icy bone]

Jus realised that you can unlink everyone at once and not only 2 char one by one per week :sigh: hopefully I'm just unlock the goat one 🙂

[bold quiver]

its not even a guide created by the guide guy, its a ctrl c and cltv of other people guides put together

so its more of a community guide than a person itself

[dapper prism]

Yup and rip. See pins for some divinity info. it's in the div notes bullet points 😦

[dapper prism]

Yup, 11+ people itself that are credited, and probably more input from other stuff

[bold quiver]

Does any older player know if flurbo shop affects 4th tab talents? cuz it doesnt seem like it (or android is bugged)

[icy bone]

If only I saw that earlier thank ffor the info x) ! Only 2 days to wait

[green eagle]

i wonder if i submit a #bug-reports-🐛 if i can get my two days of island bottles back lol

[bold quiver]

its not a bug

[green eagle]

i was fishing for ruby medium fish cards and was picking up loot and accidentally clicked out

ye i know, but the sentiment is there

[bold quiver]

u refreshed the page without picking up a loot ;[

[green eagle]

the annoying thing is i picked up all the fish loot, didn't quite realize the floating bottles in the water would disappear as well

since you have to click those to spawn the bottles on the dock

[bold quiver]

sad

[green eagle]

it is, delaying my 4th island by 14 bottles now

[bold quiver]

4th? wtf

did u win the contest or smth

[green eagle]

i have 3 already

garbage, seasalt and shimmer

i the pack

[bold quiver]

still doesnt make sense o.o

[green eagle]

rather 💳 the pack

the pack gave you extra bottles

[bold quiver]

oh i didnt see that pack

[untold saffron]

has anyone datamined what the nameplate gives from this event?

[green eagle]

i got two islands day one of them being released

[opaque sun]

shimmer for the skill efficiency boost is nice for printing. Mid gamer should choose seasalt as 2nd, while end gamer will like the shimmer upgrades more

[dapper prism]

Does FOMO ring just give extra kills or does it help with drops?

[untold saffron]

just kills

[opaque sun]

fomo is kill per kill type of kills, so no drops/samples

[bold quiver]

i clicked 1 seasal eff boost and my eff didnt move '.'

maybe i should have clicked 2

[signal osprey]

A small stat boost is still better than fishing exp 🤷‍♂️

[bold quiver]

but is it better than getting cool fishes?

[signal osprey]

The fish will be cool when they do something

[bold quiver]

cuz who actualy cares about fishing exp (besides 750 lvl for print

[opaque sun]

Like a week worth of shimmer is like adding one or two serrated rex ring

[dapper prism]

Dont you dare insult the +25% skilling xp!

[bold quiver]

what about the 1% talent book? is it a op one

[signal osprey]

The thing to understand about shimmer vs seasalt is that yes shimmer isnt that good

But seasalt is even less good

[opaque sun]

as long you aiming to get fish as 3rd, shimmer 2nd isnt a bad choice

[signal osprey]

None of the islands are a big game changer

[bold quiver]

yeah no reason to pick that over anything else cuz ....... no w6

[signal osprey]

Its all just a series of small bonuses

[dapper prism]

But seasalt would give more bottles/week making shimmer easier to get?

[opaque sun]

Its basically a 300 shimmer pts and 200 star talents cost for a 4% all stat

not cost effective

[bold quiver]

wow 4% all stats, tahts worse than any keychain

[untold saffron]

considering the new nameplate gives 4% all stats yeah thats underwhelming

[signal osprey]

Shimmer is a later island though so unlocking it earlier means less bottles required overall

[dapper prism]

I got the skill effy on shimmer to 8% and it barely made a dent in the sample run

[opaque sun]

300 pts in skill efficiency would give you like 10-20 serrated rex ring worth of efficiency

[signal osprey]

Either way its maybe a few days difference on a grind that takes like 6 months

[green eagle]

so what is suggested you spend your shimmers on?

GAMBLE right?

[dapper prism]

Price increase is static

[bold quiver]

eff imo

[opaque sun]

also the total damage is nice too as that is a multiplier

[bold quiver]

i got 1 base stats and it added 2 wisdom

[dapper prism]

You have base cost on all, If you have 1 island and unlock the 2nd island, ALL island costs go up by +30

[signal osprey]

Thats every source of base stats in the game though

You wont find one that adds more than 2 wisdom

The important part is that its another source of scaling albeit a slow one

[opaque sun]

Unlike bubble 1, it gets affected by other sources of stat %

[bold quiver]

i see, it hought that since it was base stats, al the multipliers would make it give a few extra

[dapper prism]

You'd only miss out on like 1-2 weeks of shimmer though, cost also increases pretty quickly/early for shimmer upgrades

[dapper prism]

It should, no?

[nova heath]

rng voucha time

[bold quiver]

thats what i thought haha

hence why i was said when only got 2

better to level alchemy bubble than that shit
considering u have other stuff there competing

[opaque sun]

Missing out seasalt by going shimmer as 2nd misses out like 10 potential bottles you could have got via doing the final quest. Going seasalt 2nd misses like 2 weeks worth of shimmer upgrades. Its a comparable trade off so no clear “which 2nd island is better”

[worn current]

any ideas of what i should be spending my gems on at this point, i have everything from S-B from the tier list

[bold quiver]

i can only see seasalt being a pointless island

[opaque sun]

as compared to like choosing rando/crysral island as second

[bold quiver]

cuz what am i gonn do with that fish (besides finished last quest

[opaque sun]

Fish exp and final quest to get bottle speed

[tacit tulip]

greenstack

[vagrant mountain]

it's not about the fish, it's about the cards

[bold quiver]

is it only +1 extra daily bottle right?

[vagrant mountain]

and exp

[opaque sun]

You are too narrow visioned on what you can get

[signal osprey]

Thats why people recommend shimmer second. Shimmer isnt great but fishing exp is even less great

[bold quiver]

cards?

i honestly dont see the point of extra fishing exp, kkkkkkkkk

like why

[opaque sun]

That is why i said you just missing out like 10 bottles if you are planning to get seasalt as 3rd

But if you plan to get seasalt as say 5th, you be losing out much more bottles

[bold quiver]

i see, that is indeed true

i'd get seasalt as 2nd then

[opaque sun]

vman skillage damage, mastery, less time spent at fishing to raise people’s skill

[bold quiver]

i'd rather have the extra bottle than stupid shimmer weekly stuff

but for new player i'd recomend shimer, those boosts are better than 1 extra bottle

[signal osprey]

The true correct answer is fractal second

[opaque sun]

The early gamer you are, seasalt saves lot of time (candy) to get your characters to finish omar’s quest

[bold quiver]

what does that fractal even do? what is everything i can get by spending candy there

[tacit tulip]

a sense of pride and accomplishment

[opaque sun]

Mostly arbitrary stats like in the form of “wasted afk time mastery”

[dapper prism]

Island Expedition - Fractal Island Unlocks (Source: Wiki)
https://i.imgur.com/VJRyg5q.png
https://i.imgur.com/sDFtjBN.png

[opaque sun]

But the biggest thing is the random afk gain trophy

[bold quiver]

im impressed that lava added all those uselss stuff there

[opaque sun]

Due to its long hours, its effectively a candy converter

[bold quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-connect-re-dive-anime-scared-shocked-kyaru-gif-17602496

[opaque sun]

Irl afk time is not practical

[signal osprey]

Yeah the trophy is kinda decent but overall its mostly just a late game time sink for bored endgamers who dont want to candy gmush anymore

[bold quiver]

he was able to get all useless stuff in the game and put everything together in the same place, nice

[signal osprey]

Not practical for most people

[tacit tulip]

honestly tempted by the artifact find chance one

[bold quiver]

1,2x of 0,01% so big

[tacit tulip]

better than 1x of 0.01%

[opaque sun]

Not exactly sure how the 1/100k is counted. Like as in its every trial per hr, or like 1 try per single afk claim

[bold quiver]

i aint falling by that scam again!

[dapper prism]

For nugget, +25%, meaning "you got X nugget +25% value" or the 1h timer goes to 45min?

[bold quiver]

it seems like it, so its pointless also

not like we click nuggets and actualy get something good right ? lol

[opaque sun]

1.2x of 0.1% still means you will find and finish the eldritch farming 1.2x faster

[dapper prism]

Either way, i just used my candy on the good grinds (27x Dreadlo tools for all dread) coming up!
https://i.imgur.com/jkqaFmg.png

[bold quiver]

and have 1,2x more hope

[tacit tulip]

I'm 10 weeks into my current artifact I'll take all the gains I can get tbh

[opaque sun]

Someone code dug and said if you shovel 4 nugget tries, it makes it to 5 nugget tries

[lyric sequoia]

Only 10 weeks? Thems rookie numbers

[tacit tulip]

it's not even the worst artifact, it just won't drop

[dapper prism]

Oh, so.. does it count up an int to keep track meaning after 3x an hourly nugget the 4th one would be 2 instead of 1?
Or is it really as bad as it sounds and youd have to get at least 4 nuggets on shovel xD

[bold quiver]

it took me months to get the eldrich version of bits cloud artifact

[opaque sun]

So the 25% nugget does nothing for those who shovel every hour, but helps to narrow the diminishing efficiency gap for shoveling at longer hours

[bold quiver]

i finished all other artifacts and still was missing that one lol

[dapper prism]

Idk about you all but i finished all my artifacts within no time

[lyric sequoia]

My search for eldritch fury has been going on almost entirely exclusively since about 3 days after eldritch came out

My base chest chance for it is 0.03% now at least because of the artifact pets, so that's fun I guess

[dapper prism]

115 days from W5 unlock to all eldritch 👀

[opaque sun]

pessimist sees 0.01% > 0.03% as mere 0.02% increase. Optimist sees it as 3x more chance

[sleek tree]

How many damage to journey kill the w5 boss nightmare?

[dapper prism]

Journey? you mean vman i hope

[sleek tree]

y

[lyric sequoia]

15b if you reallly want to get it via as much pain as possible

[opaque sun]

200b for an easy brainded auto fight

And 200b meaning char sheet max damage

[sleek tree]

hahaha my vman have 2kk damage... dafuq... his damage dont scale like the others

[dapper prism]

88b took me 12mins meaning
40b would take around 30mins.
20b about 1h.

(more situational stuff in it)

[sleek tree]

the secret is this ?

[dapper prism]

No

Last page (w5 bubbles) for orange/green/purple seemed to help me a lot*

[gaunt shale]

green bubble does nothing for vman

[opaque sun]

Luck helps, but will need to invest like few thousands to even notice

[signal osprey]

Purple also does nothing despite its description

[dapper prism]

1 of the purples does nothing

[signal osprey]

For some reason 2 of them say vman when only the orange one actually affects him

[dapper prism]

Issue is wording on last purple, but its 1st bubble last page that works afaik

[opaque sun]

orange final bubble helps, but purple final bubble doesnt despite description

[dapper prism]

You sure?

[opaque sun]

lava failed to code properly

[dapper prism]

Last orange, 1st Purple, and 4th green

I mean this:
https://i.imgur.com/H3ERKJV.png

[signal osprey]

I know for a fact only one works and I'm 99% sure that one is orange

[opaque sun]

Power Trithree doesnt work on vman despite the description due to bugged coding

[signal osprey]

Yeah the purple weapon power works but weapon power is also a garbage stat and you cant even atom those bubbles anyway

[sleek tree]

i'm on this way

but only have 2kk damage on v man

something is wrong... xd

[opaque sun]

The wp bubbles is effectively a nblb only bubble

[dapper prism]

Thats 2b, not 2kk, 2kk would be 2m k

K = 1000, kk=1k x 1k => 1m

[sleek tree]

anyway, is too low

[opaque sun]

2b vman is not something real wrong. Probably fits your overall account progress

[dapper prism]

Yeh but still a huge difference, not too hard to slowly get to the higher bils if youre already in the bils

[gaunt shale]

what is your skill level on vman ? the 2nd skill on 3rd page gives quite damage buff too

[sleek tree]

Sure... i think is this

i forget it xdf

thanks

[opaque sun]

If your other guys are at 10T and vman having only 2B, then its something wrong

[sleek tree]

lv 52 low fishibng

[gaunt shale]

yeah no wonder

[opaque sun]

vmans are always like 1/10 of other classes

[gaunt shale]

get that new fishin island and get fishing to 100+ asap

[sleek tree]

i choose crystal island as first...

my bad 😢

[paper sail]

Big rip

[dapper prism]

Not even trash?! 👀

[fathom lagoon]

2 kk…k?

[sleek tree]

trash as second

[gaunt shale]

well, time to pull out those candies and waste them on horrible fishing xp gains

[fathom lagoon]

Lmao the emojis

[lyric sequoia]

By the time this god damn fury gets to eldritch there'll be a 4th tier of artifacts to get...

[prisma drift]

No don’t worry

Lava will add gem shop purchase for eldritch arti before that

Using green gems

[dapper prism]

Yeh don't worry, there will be 5 tiers

[opaque sun]

every k is a new number notation

[gaunt shale]

[lyric sequoia]

At this point I'd take it, I'm so fucking bored of being hampered by this thing

Not even thought about steak

[prisma drift]

Dang mans been beaten down by sailing rng

[dapper prism]

You did enable the eldritch fury drop in the rift by speaking to the 2nd npc, right?

[lyric sequoia]

If you think you can gaslight me you don't know my sister

[dapper prism]

It's all fine, it only took me 2-3 days for each fury, so other people have to suffer

[prisma drift]

Man I’m sick of people making up words and phrases

[signal osprey]

Can confirm. I'm his sister

[prisma drift]

What’s a gaslight

[dapper prism]

It's a light that runs on gas.

[lyric sequoia]

It's your mum

[gaunt shale]

his mom provides light ?

[lyric sequoia]

No, gas

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-lovely-group-dwayne-johnson-seven-bucks-the-rock-this-is-such-a-nice-group-gif-21864045

[prisma drift]

Got this bad boy today

[lyric sequoia]

Reported you to the FBI, HF in prison

[prisma drift]

No they are gonna find the pictures from December 13th ,1942

[signal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-umm-what-what-gif-14694719

[dapper prism]

You know, i got my eldritch fury on the morning of the sailing incident. And all day i was scared AF that there would be a rollback.

[paper sail]

Does it make more sense for BB to be on Bear activating the cooking speed jewel than Snake for more daily ladles?

[signal osprey]

No all your cooking progress comes from ladles. You can just swap the jewel on when you use them

[dapper prism]

Cooking speed itself would be minimal until you use laddles, maybe snake throughout the week then bear when u use laddles. (or better not bear but move a char into lab for it)

[barren otter]

5/10 divines done...

[dapper prism]

2 to go

[barren otter]

gotta be 10/10 before W6

[signal osprey]

You mean the blessings?

[quiet pewter]

am i missing something or is the new UI bar the same as the old UI bar?

[dapper prism]

Pretty much, just visually slightly different

Priorities

[barren otter]

oh i was referring to kattle trophies

[dapper prism]

Work on new classes ❌
Work on the same UI

[dapper prism]

Oh, lol, nice 😄

[signal osprey]

Oh I thought you meant divinity blessings. I was gonna say if you finish 10/10 I would be very impressed lol

[lyric sequoia]

It's got orange glows under the buttons tho, big change

[signal osprey]

The last 2 require purple bits and 1.7b atoms

[barren otter]

yea i only have 4 of those maxed

barely bothered with the later ones

[paper sail]

If rough math correct, the jewel being on is worth less than 50 ladles per day. Weaker than expected. Snake gave 300ish.

[quiet pewter]

did you just reply to yourself?

cool, self answering questions

[paper sail]

Discord is just LiveJournal

[lyric sequoia]

w6/7/8 should introduce a thing like Warframe did where you can take a skill from 1 class and apply it to the other. Imagine bubo with orb

[quiet pewter]

overall you probably want him on elephant, less ladles but more of everything else

this "feature" sort of exists when you change sub-cleasses

[paper sail]

Omni feels awful to me

[lyric sequoia]

No, because you don't get to keep skills from the other class

The only real thing you gain from that is being able to potion the other tab 1 skill to 480

[quiet pewter]

omni can hit 3d printer for atoms, among other things

[lyric sequoia]

Granted in Warframe you have to sacrifice a frame to gain an ability and have to refarm + relevel it, but even straight up copied like that feels worth

Kill a spare DK temporarily to give bubo orb, power level a new one and get all the new character items that you missed on slab because slab didn't exist

[paper sail]

I'm aware. Still feels bad

[quiet pewter]

basiclaly a 4 in 6 chance to hit somehting good. cooking and breeding are duds (at least for me)

[gray thicket]

Is boat speed better than loot value?

[paper sail]

I only care about the printer and refinery, so 2/6

[lyric sequoia]

Just get doot innit

[quiet pewter]

yeah if your semi-done on sialing and gaming its a bit worse

[signal osprey]

I hate omni because its literally the best option on half your character end game but its so shitty to actually use

[molten cairn]

What you don't like claiming on 9 characters every hour?

Huge gameplay

[paper sail]

I just don't have enough time to check often. Omni like hourly probably pays off more

[signal osprey]

I would be okay with that if it actually gave printer procs

I don't like claiming sailing gains every hour

[molten cairn]

You get to gamble for procs, it's peak idleon

[paper nova]

Anyone know if card chance snapshots when you place a trap?

[molten cairn]

At least refinery feels good too

[quiet pewter]

idk if it counts. needs a 1 in 100000 chance to give w6 and the rest of the time nothing, then its peak idleon gambling

[signal osprey]

It feels bad because 67% of it is complete garbage but you still have to use it because the 33% thats left is better than your other choices

[paper sail]

Card chance is on trap claim I believe

[molten cairn]

Yeah, although claiming so often washes out the rng, feels better actually

[paper nova]

Kind of guessed that- thx

[molten cairn]

Sometimes I'm happy when omni misses printer so I don't have to go fill up cauldrons

[signal osprey]

Yeah refinery is cool too

But I'd rather fill cauldrons than get cooking time

[paper sail]

Still better than double proccing Sailing and going way over 4-6 hours

[signal osprey]

Not really because both do nothing lol

[molten cairn]

You can at least get a few bubbles out of Sailing

Cooking actually does nothing

[paper sail]

Cooking is a ladle or two

[signal osprey]

Not if you don't have the jewel on

[paper sail]

🥲

[molten cairn]

I don't typically have the vman talent up lol

So completely pointless

[quiet pewter]

omni must be op for new players that actually need eggs and stuff

[molten cairn]

Omni is op late

[quiet pewter]

imagine being able to insta fill your eggs back when breeding was a thing

[lyric sequoia]

Imagine not having doot and having to consider not having the cooking jewel active

[signal osprey]

Not like having it active does anything anyway

My BB prints more hours of cooking per hour than having the jewel on would get me in a day

[paper sail]

That's.. Sad

[signal osprey]

Actually time spent cooking does nothing

[lyric sequoia]

Imagine having to remember to activate the jewel to dump ladles

[signal osprey]

You can turn off your kitchens and it will have 0 impact on progress

[paper sail]

For you, maybe lol

[molten cairn]

Even the ladles do very little now

[quiet pewter]

yeah but you need to stand there to gain ladles

[molten cairn]

Fastest cooking progress for me is in my breeding yard

[signal osprey]

How many ladles you make a day?

[quiet pewter]

100,000

[paper sail]

I think 2.2k or so. My BB just got put back in kitchen yesterday adter finishing super CHOWs, so I still have a few plates that are only a few ladles

[signal osprey]

So you make 2.2k hours of cooking progress per day

Not counting BB talent for increased time per ladle

And also not counting double ladle chance from PO box

24 extra hours a day from having jewel on is irrelevant

[paper sail]

It is indeed

[lyric sequoia]

Mad cos poor ||big jokes, if it wasn't obvious||

[molten cairn]

We get it, you doot

[signal osprey]

The jewel is one of the parts about doot that bothers me the least lol. I could care less about having the last two jewels

[paper sail]

Still leave my kitchens on to collect these scraps until I want to bother collecting ladles

[signal osprey]

The damage one is just as bad. Its additive with a lot of other stuff

[molten cairn]

Kinda irrelevant though, you have to level every meal now

[signal osprey]

I normally leave kitchens on turkey for whatever incredibly marginal boost to cooking speed it might net me from the sailing artifact lol

I figure thats more relevant than having them make 0 progress towards a meal

[paper sail]

I'm sure that's what I'll do soon too

Just playing catchup

[barren otter]

but it only takes me 480 omni procs to level my slowest meal

thats huge value to leave it on!

[paper sail]

I'd wager the 2 or 3 meal levels I get per day give more speed from Vman than the turkeys do, at my current stage

One day, I'll be in the cool Max Plate club, but it ain't today

[quiet pewter]

Kool Kooking Klub

[vagrant mountain]

white power

[dapper prism]

Calm down people

[eternal mantle]

that is crazy

[vagrant mountain]

lol

[proud pumice]

how do you reduce sailing minimum time? when i started it was 120 mins but now its 110

[signal osprey]

Can't even max all the plates anyway

[paper sail]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=Travel

[paper sail]

Sure, but I have none maxed currently Only 8.1m ladles at current pace to max Turkey

[worldly bane]

first cool looking pirate. seems decent?

[proud pumice]

ty

[worldly bane]

everything else has just been kinda base

[paper sail]

Cloud Discover Rate is generally considered the worst captain stat

[worldly bane]

well damn lol

[dapper prism]

But having 1 captain like that (cloud with speed) early on can be ncie to unlock islands faster

[paper sail]

That tier of captain can roll 1-11% sail speed as well, so even that is under half. I'd pass personally.

[fathom lagoon]

What’s your cooking speed?

[barren otter]

shit

[fathom lagoon]

Above or below 1b?

[barren otter]

whatever this equates to

[fathom lagoon]

Oh you’re endgamer “shit”

I thought you meant actually shit like mine 😂

[barren otter]

[errant stratus]

why does it request all chars on?

[dapper prism]

Wording is weird, not sure why they say it like that
Either way Focus stance the way to go until Goat at least, maybe even until tiger.

[errant stratus]

i have goat

buuut i also have doot.

not sure if it alters how i should handle things i know to use tubes for div

[dapper prism]

Then you could rotate in characters on vitalic for xp gains.

[vagrant mountain]

[errant stratus]

snorted a line of coke before that resample LMAO

[dapper prism]

With doot you have all god stuff except for blessings AND Tiger Minor doesnt work unless tiger is equipped.
So you'd still want tiger.

[gentle anchor]

i got 3 warriors 3 mages 2 archer and 1 journey man i can get my 1O character what class should it be?

[vagrant mountain]

that pure colombian goes crazy

[dapper prism]

The obvious, a 3rd archer

[gentle anchor]

hunter or bowman?

[dapper prism]

2x dk, 2x es, 2x SB.

Use the guide sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

[errant stratus]

Follow tricks guidances.

thats 100% true

2x dk 2x es 2 sb 1 of rest

[gentle anchor]

ok thanks ill get siege breaker as last one

[fathom lagoon]

Trickz goat

[errant stratus]

untill next 2 slots of chars are released i dont think its even possible to get 9999 lmao.

[signal osprey]

Trickz taught me how to play the guitar and file my taxes. He knows his stuff

[fathom lagoon]

Just got to room40 on w5

[errant stratus]

taxs????? holy hell

xD

someone give that man a medial

[dapper prism]

Yeh, it's all about those deductables.

[errant stratus]

more than schools teach

xDDDDDDDD

[signal osprey]

Got me a fat refund

[deft grail]

i still have a barb bowman and squire

lava said dont make them elite cuz in x years we will have new elites for them

[fathom lagoon]

you got 10 years worth of food supply in a bunker too don’t you

[deft grail]

LOL

[dapper prism]

And we should be getting a class switch else half the people are fk'd

[errant stratus]

100%

[deft grail]

should be and will be are two very different things in laval land

[errant stratus]

agreed agaom

[signal osprey]

He also already made an elite class swap token and has said on stream he wants to come up with another way to swap characters too because there are multi vman accounts that will be screwed in later worlds

[errant stratus]

they will add to shop

at least as a limited buy

[fathom lagoon]

Or just new char slots

[dapper prism]

Dont think he can afford an Protest 2.0

[errant stratus]

when the time comes

[signal osprey]

So committing to another elite is fine

[dapper prism]

Just make it a class reset token. ezpz, extra slab, and dont overprice it as usual

[errant stratus]

well now that i got my answer

[fathom lagoon]

Baba yaga premium pet lets you switch classes for free

[errant stratus]

ima trigger someone

x)

[deft grail]

idk im traumatized by a certain update involving a bandage covered monarch

[dapper prism]

but, why roll more when u already got one 👀

[fathom lagoon]

Doot god

[deft grail]

so barb bowman and squire they stay

[gentle anchor]

what better for defence void armor or chizoar

[errant stratus]

i didint get c-custard till my 2nd doot came

LMAO

i got x2 rifts and doots before 1 custard

[signal osprey]

The thing is he knows that locking people out of classes is a big no no

[vagrant mountain]

FMJ

[gentle anchor]

but for armor

[signal osprey]

Thats why the first elite class swap token was introduced the patch after rift release

[gentle anchor]

and does armor count as equipment?

[signal osprey]

Because there are people who didnt have the classes required for rift

[errant stratus]

or made mistakes

[signal osprey]

I know a guy with 5 warriors who had no SB and was hard locked out of rift because of flag stages

[gentle anchor]

ow that its really good

[errant stratus]

yikes

[signal osprey]

Sure enough the very next patch introduced class swaps

[fathom lagoon]

Knew a guy*

[dapper prism]

Easiest would just be The Amnesia NPC, speak to him and he knocks you out and you forget your class
Alternative a potion created with herbology and farming from W6. That resets your class.

[errant stratus]

i do wish we had a delete button at times

xD

[fathom lagoon]

He dead now

Rip

[signal osprey]

Hey man I might do stupid things but I stopped at 4 warriors

[errant stratus]

put 9 chars on a long farm delete 10th char redo game in speed mode on crack

[signal osprey]

If the spirited valley doesnt have farming I riot

It was already in IS so I know its in his brain

[dapper prism]

It must.. it makes sense, farming and herbology. lets go

[signal osprey]

And its a valley

Cmon man

[graceful bramble]

does ES portal kills count for kill count and drops inside Rift?

[dapper prism]

Doing it as we speak
https://i.imgur.com/SkccKB4.png

It could add so many buffs to the game

[hoary light]

anyone have any idea why my W2 colloseum keeps soft locking after first 5 waves are done?

[signal osprey]

For rift tear drops yes for kill counts no

[dapper prism]

You got prayer on that gives +hp like Midas?

[hoary light]

possibly yes

definitly yes

[dapper prism]

It affects resource piles in colo

[signal osprey]

The skilling nodes have to despawn before the next wave starts and they have a health bar that decays

[dapper prism]

Remove the prayer, be sure to do colo on DK btw

[signal osprey]

The prayers increase that health

[barren otter]

@dapper prism

[hoary light]

ohhhhh that makes sense

and why on DK specifically?

[signal osprey]

W2 is the one colo you cant run midas on

[dapper prism]

Orb stacks for DR works for all the drops nicely

[hoary light]

oh yeah very fair point

does multikill work also on arena mobs?

[dapper prism]

Should i start my gaming spree now? Any guesses on a new nugget?
https://i.imgur.com/dmYBNez.png

[barren otter]

like i said 19k

[dapper prism]

Kills, i believe, but either way MK does not affect any drops

190k plz 👀

[hoary light]

gotcha

that's be a sick upgrade lol

[signal osprey]

I'm ready for my 190k

[barren otter]

my shovel aint big enough to get a 190k nug

need like 800 more levels on it

[signal osprey]

[barren otter]

but its more like 287-30k

[signal osprey]

Pretty much

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/kAkIMqX.png

[pulsar cliff]

I've had 4 increases since I broke 24k. I still haven't broken 25k.

[paper sail]

Don't expect to get out of the bottom 10% of the range 🤷

[dapper prism]

Id be happy to be in the bottom 10%

[little pagoda]

I got 21k at level 10 shovel so you never know

[dapper prism]

i went 13k, 15k to 17k..

Believe it was even 2x at 13k

[barren otter]

id love to get 10% of my current shovel...

[empty ridge]

Blessings are only active if you’re linked to that specific god?

[gentle anchor]

is it possible to get account lvl 9999?

[dapper prism]

No, blessings are permanent passives, no link needed.

[little pagoda]

9999 requirements are just placeholders

[gentle anchor]

ow ok

[empty ridge]

Ohhh I misread what you said my bad!

[vagrant mountain]

why is post office so shit

[paper sail]

Why are you so shit at Post Office?

[dapper prism]

Probably because instead of setting it up that a single* click of 100 boxes is an instance of 1 with multiple particles*, it seems to run 100 instances per click. Also pretty sure instead of particle fx or animation it's a bunch of code for that movement which i'd assume would be worse 🤷

[vagrant mountain]

lol sounds optimal

[dapper prism]

Not sure, just random speculation.

Either way, severely badly optimized

[signal osprey]

Just hit escape every 15-20 boxes and reenter the PO box

It wipes all the box animations

[vagrant mountain]

o ive been changing tabs

[signal osprey]

Makes dumping thousands of boxes at once a lot faster

[vagrant mountain]

that probably works better

[paper sail]

Took me something like 2 hours to lazily apply 93k boxes on all 10 characters. Totally optimized /s

[still apex]

In my limited experience closing the post office should cut down the lag for you to then keep going once it dies down.

[paper sail]

At least it is finished until W6 comes out. I have 3.5k boxes still stashed and ready in case we get another 3x 800box crates

[barren otter]

what if theres a new 500k box

[vagrant mountain]

if we get more po boxes, itll be another page

[paper sail]

I send it back

[dapper prism]

Cant wait for the farming and herbology/potion PO boxes!

[gentle anchor]

do u have more chance to get a bigger +% if u wait longer to use the shovel in the gaming garden?

[dapper prism]

No

1 shovel charge in an hour, then the next shovel one is after like 4-5 hours or something

gets worse