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and base stat is fantastic
base stat is way better than just normal bonus stat i think
It will always increase based on how much DR you accumulate throughout the game so its always going to be a BiS buy
BiS implying account buffs is a slot
Any discussions anywhere about new content?
is that 1.2x droprate from gem shop for all characters?
It is the best bundle ever added to the game so get it
Is shimmer really second best?
is it multiplicative?
best gem shop bundle ever made
so its OP
yes, my 14.25 DR turned into 17.1
The bundle better than doot
nah
is that for every character?
doot is still way better
the droprate multiplier
you get a huge AFK% there too
all characters
damn thats op
damn wtf all characters is crazy
and you get 5 players that aren't stuck in the lab
like, as much as I like 300% DR... 5 more chars you can play with is HUGE
For 20bucks its wqy better than doot
Can someone tell me if higher construction lvl affects xp/hr ?
20 bucks for this is way better than 500 for doot, yes
lava knew what he was doing with this pack lol
I'd say the 10x omni links is the best part of doot
@signal osprey not 11K but good call
it does thats the whole point of lategame construction
yes, I agree Felix
and everyone giving 6x boost to sampler too
like, it's just really strong
really really strong
Thats around what I had spent on it too
The worst part is managing all your alts again xD
maybe im just blind but when u travel to an island is there no way to come back besides teleporting?
I'm just working that out now after rolling doot with the pack gems
only went to garbage island and dont see a way back
Really but wouldn't that also make the xp to lvl up higher as well? What's your point I'm confused
Thank you
lol i guess he forgot to give a return option lol
@hidden quail I think Lava forgot to put a portal there
honestly, I'd take it 100%
How much of each stat do you get from shimmers?
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1
1
lol yeah, 1
hey guys i just got a Red ball on the furthest slot in arcade
first time ive ever done that
im jealous, thats my only mnissing one
Anyhting i need to consider/know properly before starting islands?
trash is, from what we can tell, best
glad i grabbed that pack lol
you should buy the pack before buying the things first
the pack is, by far, the best pack ever
trash island first, buy more trash as much as possible and aim for bribes eventually
shimmer second seems the usual play, some people going fishing
youre talking about construction right? all your power in the long term will come soley from your squires, so you want all the cogs to be xp% so ur squires level up more and get higher build power and construct xp
game hates me Xd
Now you know how ppl hit 19+ droprates
alchemy bubbles also get you alot of gains on ur squire^
I donโt even have sheep
geeting close forr pity doot
I'd like to know what the crystal island is
you'll be laughing when the next set of pets is out and sheepie gets dontinued
Neet
Huh? I'm talking about the xp/hr on the squire itself not the cogs
really hope for that
ill save you one
What pack are you talking about ?
Ive only seen the frosty one so far
I never got sandy pot.. and I no longer even have a chance at him ๐ฆ
people would trade super rares for sheepies if they're discont
lucky man
it's the expedtition one
Wait is trade not out yet?
no
Weird it hasnt shown up for me yet
Damn Omar wants a lot of candy..
where can i get 3hr time candy???
What is the BEST island to unblock
treash
4hr i mean
trash first
biggie and doot
thanks guys
Thanks will do
Ty
In w5 you should know how to get weekly anykind of candys
left before fomo right after fomo
he must be a spy sent from W3
How much candy does Omar want
How did you know?!
doot, biggy smalls, coliseum, slush and shroom mini bosses are good sources
How do u know lol
He wants way more candy than you'd expect
24 1h 10 2h 5 4h
stop exposing me LOL
Ahhh ty ty!!!!

should i go for seasalt as second for 90 fishing? or candy 80-90 with old fish 
Wait.. the Quests for expedition are not account wide?
they are i thought
they are
Then it just auto completed one, weird
They are
Wait 2weeks and just unlock the island as third
wait 2 weeks for seasalt?
Does the random event island mean 1 drop guaranteed or just a event? xD
How fast you think you're gonna get bottles lol
Trash>shimmer>seasalt
no i just wasnt sure which he meant, i guess ill just wait it out then
Do the quests give bottles?
I need moar balls!
https://i.gyazo.com/c74bbad893e0f512fe96bbbd67aa605d.png
this was like 6.9mill this morning 
does anyone know what the candy island is about?
ol how didnu increase it so much in 1 day
bonuses from afking at the island
But needs a shit tonne of afking, 20k hours to get all the bonuses (ignoring the bonuses for w6/7 stuff)
eventual BiS afk gains trophy based on how much time you spend doing "nothing"
60k if you don't ignore them
i kinda wanna see what fractal island does with candies, ive got so many to waste
Divine trophy will boost it to 16mil+
cheap
What
is there a place showing what the bonuses are?
i used 1400 kattle keys this morning before doot and this DR pack lel
sad times
divine trophy doesnt do much for afk kill
what what
thank you very much
What what what
Can someone screenshot the new gem pack please?
kattlekruk with 21,5 dr DK, i bet ill get 0 capes for 6k keys
I'm... very tempted to use that airhorn to wake up skull boy to get more pachinko balls from him
I mean the pendant
are the balls in the shop actually worth
airhorn costs 300 gems, you can just buy 500 pachinko balls for 1250 gems
When DR is in rotation yes
unfortunate, still not saying what the bonuses are
I can easily get more than 100 balls from 2 killroy rounds, especially this week
100 balls from the shop is 275 gems
185 gems with limited special atm
Bought all them already
Can someone please screenshot the new Gemshop bundle?
Tyvm
most broken pack ive ever seen
trickzbunny, its a 1.2x DR multiplier account wide. . . .
5x coin droprate in the next pack boys
Is that a +20% DR ontop of your current DR like SB talent stuff?
its a must buy on the level of autoloot
do you need to have a lvl90 fishing immediately?
no
1.2x multiplier
thanks!
10x to 12x
turned my 14.3 DR to 17.1
Need level 90 to finish the quests
We have already infinite coins so pointless next will be multi afk
O god imagine 1.2x all afk
If you think you have infinite coins that just means you're neglecting your stamps
True
my stamps are too expensive, 1 multi eff is costing more than 100 godshard coins
What's the best island(s) to start of with, and why? ๐
The trash island
trash, it'll be the slowest and has the biggest boosts
My next stamp upgrades are like 60k godshard
Too many benefits
i want the afk one, but i still couldnt find what those benefits are
You never have enough coins
Yooooo Peter griffin instead of lava
Level 300 Vman incoming quickly.. was lvl 279 about 20mins ago lol. Now lvl 295.
Did you mean the 6th island?
so doot havers, do the minor bonuses stack or does everyone just have it once?
yeah , someone sent an image that u need 20k afk hours there to get all stuff, but i dont know what the bonuses are to decide if its worth
For end end end gamers
I have doot and I could not tell you haha.
I think I saw someone say maby once
So got trash, now i assume just upgrade the middle upgrade for a few days? (if its stackable, or just once now if its all a 1 time purchase)
https://i.imgur.com/IDmceIn.png
yeah upgrade more trash when available, aim for bribes
I think you can stack it
Trash if trash is cheapest
Yeah we don't know for sure what's the reward, i heard someone said it's giving 10% afk gain or smth
Ah right looks stackable
So definetely worth ignoring everything else for a little xD
meh
Ikr 
10 to little atleast 50
i''d rather spend 20k h of candy on gmush
Yeah we don't know what's the reward yet
just let 1 dude afk there for 2 years
cool update, bunch of stuff to grind with a bunch of new DR to help players
Am i blind or is there no way to get back to the Dock if im on trash island except for teleporting?!
Yes
I have 6.6k gems, do I buy the last 4 cogs? other options i still need are 4 lava sprouts, the limited arcade balls or chips for card/pendant doublers
There is no way
The highlight of the update is the bundle
Does the Buy Now Bonus (Green Gems) stay if you back out of the Gem Shop?
Hello, where is the island update ?
Sounds like an oversight lol
ouch almost got the achievement! ol
w2 last fishing spot
Whats the achievement? ๐ฎ
ty
joke with 777 trade deal
Thought you meant like, gathering X amount or some crap xD
Oh yeah, how do you get the world 5 achievement with the 777gold?
Get a 777 number innit
there is a doc with treasure calculator. U can use that to your benefit
Oof so pure rng
why cant i write the / in idleon ingame chat? for /dance
i cant do that either...im using steam
no, u upgrade, etc to help u out
its 50% rng 50% math 10% luck
people getting doot w/o even having w5 unlocked 
the worst problem is getting to w5 with all gods unlockked and not even understanding what 1 god does lol
Someone got two doots for free their first two weeks
bad approach from doot that imo
i feel you talking about me when i first arived to w5

hahaha thats most people with doot before unlocking w5 gods

Doot doesn't work until the character you're active on has lvl 2 div, so it at least doesn't obscure the earlier stuff
What stamp do you guys focus with gilded/max discount? Ive neglected stamps for.... ever? So I wanna make sure I get the best bang for my buck on the discount/gilded ones. And fixing to go on a spree trying to get every stamp up to a decent threshold
multitool
any pter griffin spottings?
so do you need lvl 90 fishing to start islands?
no
eff stamps, food boost, golden food boost mostly
you need 90 lvl fishing to progress his quest
then when its too expensive u do whatevr other u want
I'm wondering if the fishing island is second best as you can get your quest done sooner asn does that mean 60% increase in bottles?
This is what I got right now.
whats best islands? any opinions on meta yet
doesn't it only get your bottles from like 5 to 6 per day though
apparently trash > shimer > dunnop
yea i just wanted to ask we take trash first for sure?
trash > shimmer > fish > fractal
Unless you were stocking BJPs the quest is already gated behind a 2 day wait

whats in the rando island?
Even green BJP vial is in effect unreachable
At least for 10 years or so i think
any idea why my island #8 (mushroom) isn't giving me any chests?
the quest is accountwide?
ye
Activated minimum chest rarity ?
3600 to green vial, so that many days
nope, that isn't activated, but thank you for trying
so is rando island just you get to do a nromal random event one time you choose?
that seems... useless?
Did I miss lava in w1 town? What did he give?
guys what is "shellfish"?
oh the 'see lava' achievement?
I have doot and all athers , and have some gams to spand , shold i apend for 2 doot or save for next rotition?
not holding the door for someone in a lift
Wait if you are one of the people who have a character afk on nothing for two years and unlock nothing island you might be good
how much did you buy?
what do you mean?
that sounds pretty shellfish to me
there is a quest to give him 1k shellfish i dont find this item
I had some at the big crisis , and gat more in the pack
its new fish from fishing fishing island
you can only get if u unlock that island
should i max my lava sprouts?
How much crit do u get per agility? Ik it's small but I wanna know how much exactly if someone knows
oh so we go for it as first island insted of trash?
selling 5 BJP for one doot
what do you need that for, aside from quest?
i think recommended is trash>Shimmer>Seasalt
What if it actually boosts it
can you actually fish on the new island?
it almost certianly will boost it
i got that too. hope it does something
where are the new fishing spots? is it on an island?
yeah it's one of the isalnds
new seasalt island
seasalt island
I hope that it also counts all of the nothing time you have ever done because I spent a year doing nothing on one character
Mhm, so after trash do i go for seassalt or a different island?
:,/
the guide says shjimmer
Wait that makes a lot of sense, if it boosts the nothing island then it's an op vial
Ah right shimmer makes sense
shimmer seems like a trivial increase compared to hourly ticks
Whatโs the most max vials possible rn
so the trash just comes with time?
all except pickle(s) and pearl and maybe some salts? +(hampters)*
Hourly?
any info on how often bottles spawn?
and hampsters
well shimmer is base stat not total stat right? so it scales?
metal pickle too
I think 52 are possible
7 (basically 8) vials are not doable right now
and I'd bet someone has 48+ vials
Gg
what do you get per ?
nicee
Tell ussss
and... sus to getting that day 1
Also itโs pow of 10
but heyo
is shimmer weekly task same for all ppl?
So atom helps it
No i think
51 more like because dreadlo bars take just too long and need too many materials to do in a moderate amount of time
It tells you on the boat, its daily
That's rude man ๐ฆ
congrats on the luck ๐
ty โค๏ธ
level by 1 and screenie again pls
Too late sry.
Nah max lvl and screen
screenie with max level then?
shimmer is our second island?
Eh somewhere inbetween lol
niceee
Is it multiplicative?
shimmer island how many try
Ok now star talent reset and lvl 200
Can you dps check on dummy as often as you want?
It might get possibly 10% or just 5 idk
the task is tied to your weekly reset too
not its own thing like the pet bullshit
Whatโs everyone at
100 trillion damage, 7 atom all levels is 21 powers...
That's 27% all stats at level 49
that's a pretty big numbber
rip mine
hot damn
My daily are about to reset, how do I get bottles since I messed it up first time and got zero lol
and if you go to 200, it's surely going to be in the high 50%s
someone got the number for 200 thicc?
you enter the dock and pick them up?
What character and what sheet damage got you almost 250Q DPS, holy moly
dummy thicc star talent is definitely OP at end game
got an IE for funsies?
It's OP at all points in the game
Zelb
true, just meant moreso when you get to stupid big numbers
can you snapshot card drop rate still?
hm...seems you can be stuck on an island if you dont have a b. town portal on you
sucks that shimmer trials at 1 a week
wow you have some crazy high bubbles
Yeh, kinda an obvious oversight.. no clue how that got through
what do you 1 hour claim?
Imagine claiming the trial and then getting the book after and missing out of 50% all stats
Map tp
can easily have 0 though until a daily reset
Either way terrible and obvious oversight
which island is the trial btw?
right should I be pushing everyone to level 425 or 450, they're 380-410 right now
shimmer
which char did the tiral btw?
Bug or how is this guy fishing here? xD
https://i.imgur.com/scuZwQx.png
I wonder if rolling for the book is the best choice on Shimmer
Him
Isnfkekkxkwki
ok, so ES is best to try dps chek on?
bug
no clue at what time you can actually do that but if its once you reach w2...it could happen that a player has no free tele options or access to shops from anywhere yet
either him or SB
400% crit and all
why is SB better?
Kinda seems like it, the rest of the options all seem a bit eh, not bad but still meh
SB seems to have no real powerhouse abilities
lightning zaap on ES is gonna carry hard
I did 1400B on SB but haven't tried ES yet. SB has stupid high base damage and the his abilities are pretty good dps wise near their max. Gonna try ES next though
Is this 1 per 5k stats or does it scale differently?
||https://i.imgur.com/ttYoSMY.png||
It diminishes pretty hard
do we spam the 1% chance for star tallent? or we go for stat first?
Highest I've seen is 17 and that was at close to 150k stats
i think i was at 50kish and got 11
I dunno it feels a lot like the book is BIS
Someone was getting 16 with 135k all stats in endgame chat, so the bar probaly just ends at 45k
Just wondering if there's any way to know how close i am to the "next" reward
i get 10 with 47k
oh wow didnt realize the bar
@pulsar cliff can you show the multiplier for max level thicc?
oh it looks like 10 might be max then?
Also the the "base stats" from shimmer shop remain 1 cost/stat?
best class should i use?
10 is not the max
hm....wont save my bought stuff from trash island...when i buy and do cloudsafe afterwards....its reset
Sec, gotta respect my talents
ahh ok
Typically es as always
is quick slap not worth it for dmg ? you seem to have most of your dmg through main stat bubbles @fathom grove
New bottle contest
Quick slap is the best for damage but it requires atoms so its really a matter of preference
where?
i got 6 shimmer for 15k stats so not sure what the scalling is
Gem contest
But if you're hourly clicking consistently you dont need it you just get it if you want to
ahh that's bene up for a bit
#lategame-chat-w5๐-w6๐ธ message Brave got 11 for 50k here, so it;s just the visual bar that stops going up, but you always get 1 per 5k stats
How did I miss it
That can't be the system
you just said 136k got 16
That math does not check out with all results shown
This was mine
1 for sub-5k, +1 per 5k. 11 at 50k
Definitely a decay of higher values taking more stats per point
So 2 at 5k, 3 at 10k, etc
Yet 35k got 9
math not right as it was 9 for 35k for me.
10 at 45k
135 got 17
and 6 for 15k
15k for 6
35k for 9
51k for 11
136k for 16
Maby first one is at something like 5k then 10.5k and so on?
It's clearly DR'd in some nature
Because the 1.6x must mean something
Just need more samples, then play around with the values
like each time you get one, you muliptliy the next stat needed ... like 1.2x per?
I wonder how good or bad that sample size stamp will scale
Should be on the wiki
sample size or 3d print?
Potential for 90% sample rate without prayer, however unlikely it is
when does trash island proc? this is neat
That stamp has been in the game files forever
It's almost exaclty 1.25 muliplier each point
Guys, where do you find the rare Shellfish for Omar da quest?
Fish island
x*y^1.25 I think is the formulae
whats the best island to unlock rn
Trash first
x being a base stat, y being your claim number
Then maby shimmer seems
Here's my guess in a non algebra way
What bugs does Omar want (after fishing 70+)? It isnt showing up on my quest log or quest list.
Welp imma go read manwha and such and wait for iOS
fruit and bees iirc
ty
1m all stat for 25 shimmers? ezpz
tested ES and its about the same, the delay in ES casting attacks drops the DPS and puts SB at similar amounts even if the overall powers are lower damage percentages it does it so much faster it makes up for it.
Would be good to test it against a few other claims
cool, all max books?
I suspect max books on ES is going to return more as you get a crazy amount of meteors
doesnt ur calc not work for zelbmaj's claim?
SB for me was 1450B and ES was 1506B. It's close and after fully juicing ES he eeked out. No, they have similar maxes at 220+ for attack skills for each. The meteors don't change much actually because they go all over the place
when dps checking make sure to do more than 1 round back to back
whereas SB is able to unload pretty much every single attack directly onto the dummy whereas ES is a little more RNG with whirlwind and the meteors going everywhere plus the casting delays
need to roam in w2-4 chat and find some low loot people for better estimates
It rounds up
trash >shimmer
well this is not true mate
went with trash and shimmer but honestly wishing I did the legend fish island over shimmer
Thank you!
Was Zelb 136k for 17?
How did you even get two of them 
ye
ok I had it at 136 for 16
136.7 for 17
new pack + 40 bottles from limited shop
any1 here can give me quick summary on what to think about/ do with the islands. anyting important ?
ohhh
Get trash island, upgrade daily trash amount for a while before going for other stuff.
Get shimmer island for weekly stuff. (if you buy gemshop bottle to have enough to unlock an island)
Claim daily bottles at the dock
In shimmer should i invest for book or stats
Also if you want to buy the pack buy it first for the bonus bottles
Oh god... the elemental sorcerer hat is a must, isn't it? it looks so cool
How do we get more bottles ?
I'm wondering if the formulae is going to be something like... 5000^1.25^1.26 etc etc...
Limited Specials
tyty
also the new pack for DR was insane...
What's going on with the whole Peter Griffin thing?
just a goof
Ya see the new gem pack ??
new gem pack, is, an order of magnitude the best gem pack ever
it's broken good
like... maybe too good
Yeah
Ngl, as a f2p player, I'm a bit salty
What
at least it isn't doot level cost
noice
Like, that thing is completely off limits
I'm still confused as to how this is possible
i bought all gem packs what ever got offered to me, they all seem good
Welcome to the point of it being where it is
iLogix, this last one gives 400% DR
fk the bottles disappear if you dont get them
oh i have 4.85x dr now
What about your Voidwalker
i only have a maestro, he's lvling right now.
nice
if you dont get them then change map i think it disappears
You're better than me at everything but levels
Yep, I also learnt that you can accidentally exit out of a kruk run very easily if you use wasd to move 
I officially suck at this game
what do you mean?
an idle game at that 
mhh?
Also question -- has anyone got their daily bottles today?
Or is it only if you got a super late reset?
if you dont pick the bottles the first time they appear on the map if you reload the map its gone
it is true... happened to me as well

It'll probably get patched, probably
Definitely tru
imm TOTAL STUCK WHAT DO I DO
Also crystals despawn if you leave the island
use your words
i have been stuck at ~500m damage for the last 10 days despite getting like 100+ cooking levels, leveling talents and more, how in the world do people get to like 5+billion damage? are the last Bubbles just insanely op or what am i missing that gives me that 10x damage multiplier?
its all the bublbes nicku
telepathically finds out @tall dirge โs problem then answers it
Itโs that easy
citringe is def now my fav map to active bubo at, good gains, gives me a good reason to max out that vial and gives more oj juices that I need for a bubble
Alchemy then, that's the answer
Itโs the same with women
i mean what island do i pick
Trash
just take trash then shimmer, good start
My model doesn't QUITE work for the level 17 shimmer claim
Ah yes, the homogenous hivemind, women
trash+shimmer if you can but if you want to speedrun fishing after level 30 fishing then sea salt island
but I think there is an escalator formulae after the first bar
So im gonna be stuck here for a few weeks as i work to even get close to the Sailing requirements?
I don't know where youa re stuck
Are they even real have you seen one
rift?
because its like 50-100x fishing xp compared to medium fish
everyone gets to a point on the rift where they are stuck
on the damage ๐
what is shimmer?
trash and shimmer or sea salt. Shimmer if you wanna focus on stats, fishing if you wanna prep for w6 and get stupid high fishing gains
man the vanished bottles are so annoying
if you want details, read, if you want a quick and reasonable answer: Take trash
Alchemy, stamps, gear, artifacts, greenstacks, eclipse skulls
I don't see the stats from shimmer being THAT strong
hourly clicks seem to spank it
Theyโre base
but thebook is really good
Shimmer for book chance yo
so, shimmer is the way to go?

How many have hourly clicks in w3?
this smells green gem/6 months ?
I think rolling for thicc book is just BIS
W3 is when you could realistically reach the expeditions when fresh
probalby none, but in W3 you weill get 3 or 4 total weekly shimmer points
Not in inventory
so... that is 3 or 4 single upgrade stats per week from shimmer
Added to the board, like it says when you purchased them
What in the new gem pack gives the big dr boost.
oh it's beautiful
Why are you buying things from the shop that you have no idea what it is for, go find the content first
The island expeditions at the end of the pier
and it isn't even someone who does well with fishing
Okay thank u guys
The new content that just dropped
I literally was so excited
dang lol
I'm go look
that's 10x my gains from my decked out vman who was doing way more fish/hour
^
It can go so much higher than that, there was a 600m/hr screenshot posted earlier
Why cant i update idleon on steam?? It doesnt show that there is an updateโฆ
i'll go check what my vman does
Did you auto update?
Something has skyrocketed my damage...
I'm doing maybe 10x my damage before patch?
what the heck is going on
what is best fishing setup for accessories for targetting kraken
my ES is doing literally 10x damage from yesterday
Well i make it so that steam automatically updates things but it didnt this time bc when i join it says โupdate before u can playโ or something
for DK do i keep orb under 270 or can i go to 300? seen ppl say 300 works aswell but i dont see how
not going ot complain tooooo much but seriously I was doing kattlecruck in like 5 minutes, now in 20 seconds
Check your download tab, it may be queued to download
why would you 'keep it under'?
to keep it from resetting itself@rustic garnet
I had to completely close steam and re-open it to fix this
Nop
Already did that, doesnt work
I don't know if there is any way to 'reset orb' without way more numbers
Im checking files now but nothing happens
Has anyone else tried kattlecruk nightmare on a char that seemed 'slow' today?
my ES is doing way more damage
orb doesn't reset itself
Youโll get the same amount of time regardless of it expires or casts over
However if you donโt want it cast over, you could just remove it from action bar while itโs going?
when cast over the number resets, so keeping it at something like 290 will reset the score twice
i trade for doot
and that is exactly why I should have gotten the seasalt island over shimmer 
is there any reason I would be doing 10x more damage?
my vman does 3mill fish xp per hour on med fish, I'm sure it would be like 150mill on seasalt
How far have you guys pushed your kills for portal/orb/flag? I'm not far, but just looking at what I should reasonably aim for :p
hole and orb are at over 10k, flag I think I'm still under or at 1k
my portal is up to 3.48m. I suspect that's pretty low though
but I don't play those char active often
im sure if I left ES to just kill farm active it'd be in the millions by now
Anyway, I was able to kill the next rift mega mob on my ES, really strange
I'd need at LEAST 57 days of fulltime farming to reach that on my ES O.o
if you recently crossed over the 100% megacrit threshold that might explain the damage boost
best active card farming is ES?
No, I've been megacrit for ages
Just 2 hours to go!
ah then no idea
again not complaining, just curious if I did something great and not realized it
also double checked my stuff via acheivements. Orb is closing in one 100k, 27k for hole and 1500 for flag
at like 90 I'm getting ~3% so at mill stage you should be closer to 10% and that multiplicitive damage so its pretty useful
that seems like a decent jump even for 1 point. you got super big numbers though so it might not seem like much
where do i spend this?
which island should i go for first?
This is 1 point of believer strength
that's less of a boost than the one before
it really doesnt seem like a lot...but it counts for every character, right? does it make it better?
Trash. After that I went shimmer.
it's way more
I mean, if I had a second ES
that sat and did nothing
I'd consider it a positive and take it on the second ES
but it seems very, very low damage increase even considering it is 'for all chars'
yeah that's insane boost
and considering fishing afk windows are not really accurate
cause they just show you the ammount of exp based ont he easiest fish to catch
1k more kattlekruk keys down the drain 17.8DR, no drops again ๐ฆ
that's a change of min of 70mill and 150mill for max. The change from that to the other is 60mil to 100mill for min and max respectively
your numbers are off
check again
What bosses are the biggest pain in the ass to get to 5 star. I have quite a few 5 star cardifiers left after maxing out the event cards.
cap hunting for trophy???
damn that sucks ><
hi guys. how can i get shellfish?
8k keys and no cape is actualy quite bad
yeah, tell me about it ๐
i guess world 3 boss? cant farm the keys and it has higher cost than the others?
you can farm w3 boss keys in the coli
I've not dropped any cape apart from W1 boss
ahh, my bad, i didnt think about that.
so I'm generally cursed with capes
hope you can get it soon nate
I got like 3 chiz capes in my first 5k keys and then took 27k keys to get my first kruk cape. Rng can be fun 
maybe lava fixed something with this update or moved something around
I have 5 strung tooths btw
how is this possible?
like, the obol is 4x more likely to drop
some extremely bad rng
146449-146372 = 77 mill. 305371-305210 = 161 mill. For the 1 point in wormhole. For the other its 146500- 146449 = 51 mill. 305478 - 305371 = 107 mill. For believer strength.
Boop is probably a good boss to use it on.
why are you looking at min here? I'm confuse at the numbers you are using
I'm pointing out that your overall boost between the two skills, the wormhole is giving you bigger numbers either way. That's all
you said to check my math so I'm showing you my math
if you want max only, you're getting ~50% more by putting into wormhole
how can i get shellfish?
ahh believe strength is bad too, nm
new island for fishing
they both are very poor dps increases
Wait did Lava add in a way to actually get good Fishing exp now?
ah okay that's where I was confused
yes, significantly better.
How can i gain trash for trash island?
decent way if you have good eff for it xDDD
log in daily
there will be new trash to pick up
should see similar gains to mine and chop with the new fish spot tbh
its a sloooow progress apparently
I picked up 19, is there a way to gain more?
just daily
use those 19 anf give them to the fish to increase how much trash spawns daily
It might be DR affected? I picked up 36 when I went
Ohh okay, thats what called trash exactly ๐
i mean we did got told that everything about the islands is meant to take a long time to do
no, its just a range of values each bottle can give
ooooh gotcha
I have 5m portal and around 280 on that skill and it's at 5% ish total, so not particularly good
Thats what i did exactly ๐
Put points in it when you have the spare points, basically
ah gotcha thank you for the clarification
i guess at a certain point you have to be happy with incremental damage gains ๐
5% is basically nothing, it's additive with other stuff if memory serves
Yeah but that talent is trash even compared to other incremental gains lol
which talent?
the wormhole
ahh
if it is the talent for the extra dmg from ammount of portal kills, yeah its additive
really? it said it was multiplicative
A lot of things in this game say things that aren't true
rip
all talent % multipliers are additive with each other
It's probably within the 'total damage' muliplier bracket
which is absolutely crap
Even if it was a separate multi it still wouldn't do much
yeah, 2% damage... like c'mon
I probably get more damage per day from hourly clicks then that talent would give
yep
The quiet part the skill doesn't say is "it's multiplicative, but inside a group of other damage multipliers making its boost tiny"
hourly clicks?
i mean if it was separate ify ou are pumping 2-5% extra from doing like 10T dmg its still close to 400B extra dmg
so it would be significant there
Yeah, people haven't been talking enough about hourly clicks
basically once you get enough sample speed
got my first kattlecrug necklace
is it actually better than chizoars scarf?
you get 1000m of something per hour (or 2, or 3 hours) and you can click alchemy bubbles
and get massive, consistent, gains
it's the fastest way to progress, bar none, in the game
the dmg % bubbles at the end of the current alchemy chain are its own multi so thats why they are really good
not for AFK
thank you
oh, I'm only pulling in like 30mill oak logs per hour right now on ES
Gonna be at 5k base stat bubbles soon. Lava please remove hourly clicks this shit isn't good for the game 
Welp pretty thankful I kept Vmann on fishing. Just got to level 90 for the new quest lol
taht's closer to 200 million after all is said though
no I mean like 30mill after 6x from lab+bunny god
100%, it's really bad
I think hourly clicks are probably the worst thing possible we could have
it's far too active play
and VERY boring
and tedious
Yeah its such a bad thing to encourage and its going to be a nightmare balance wise
"automatically purchase any affordable bubble" pet coming to a gacha system near you
Like I get more strength from my first bubble then half of the people in the channel have on their warriors
it takes 20 hourly clicks for 100 days to get 2k bubbles
Kind of ridiculous
Balanced because it also forces you to buy all the bubbles that you left at lvl 1
just think about that
No you cannot turn it off
w6 should have a crappy robot AI thing, that you upgrade to be able to do basic tasks for you (aka hourly clicks), sorta like a bona-fide autoclicker but with sever limitations
it takes 100 days of 20 hours of play to get 2000 of a base bubble
Well not quite
You're not accounting for Larry
you know what I mean
oh sorry
also larry
ok fine!
4000 base
or 50 days
it's a LOT of effort
and it breaks balance very much
Also omni inflates them a lot too
we're seeing players with 300qq damage
what are people recomending to pick up this arcade shop?
yep
I've had all my characters afk for like a day in div now, what do i do ? I dont wanna mess things up
skill exp gain?
Make sure you do as many of the Omar quests as you can do now.
No one has 500qq damage lmao
why is that phil?
but what should he do about it? cap alchemy bubbles? that kinda kills a lot of endgame incentive, right? make bubbles more expensive so it doesnt work hourly? that screws a lot of people just reaching that point who couldnt "abuse" hourly clicks yet?
Cephyric, someone did 236qq damage
You've added a Q there
it was posted in this chat earlier, zelb I think
More bottles
lava should really fix the despawning bottles.
are you sure?
yeah, it feels bad to miss out on the first day
There's an overwhellmingly huge difference between 200Q and 200QQ damage in terms of gains needed to get there
Sure, fine
200Q damage is sitll crazy
Honestly not as overwhelming as you think
That is what the Omar NPC is saying.
Just like there is an absurdly large difference between 200T and 200Q in terms of gains needed
The scaling on the base damage bubbles is silly
I also don't think it's as overwhelming either
And is 100% getting nerfed
A group of less then 100 people managing to get there does not mean that scaling it out of control lol
It's definitely out of control
But its only 100 people right now
wtf i needa come back at fish lvl 70 bruh, is this quest accwide?
The fact that so few people were talking about hourly clicks up till now
is the ONLY reason it wasn't more wide spread
no where was this talked about as the 'thing to do'
is this up to date?
https://discord.com/channels/437797104786604034/1084967526955499600
The same group of people have had absurd levels of damage and gains for years, it's hardly new and is purely down to them playing the game for lengths of time that is not possible to compete with (like literally)
Itd been a thing for a while now tho
Frankly, I think that's where I got my 10x damage increase that I was completely ignorant of
ive heard hourly clicks mentioned for quite a while, i jsut dont do it because it sounds boring. i dont think its any big secret no one knows about
It absolutely has been available to do -- but it was hushed
"so few people"? Bruh hourly clicks have been known and talked about for as long as they have been possible to do
It really hasn't been that hushed
I've been openly talking with people about clicks in this channel for months now
Dont know ive been hearing about since day1 but didnt have the print to do so
Damn it just keeps loggin me out
Do we know what fractal island does yet? I'm assuming not, just want to make sure.
Fractal is a "don't bother"
Theres been no real attempt to keep it quiet or anything people just pick up on it at different rates I guess
afk time on the island = bonuses, but the period of time needed to get the bonuses is large
wait so is new quest acc wide?
Yeah
sorta
10k afk hours for all the bonuses up to w5, 60k for the ones beyond currently
Huh. Leveling fishing has a new incentive now
I've completed the level 90 quest on vman, but it is still not complete on others
Is 90 the final one?
What kind of bonuses? Is it just different resources, time candies?
seems to be
Who knows, the wiki might
Is there a way to speed up sailing time under 2 hrs?
It looks like they are shared between chars
Did the first few on barb and then needed high level and swapped to vman and continued there
Does every char get the quest complete for the one talent? *From the ogre fishing quest
wheree do I get the new unlocked stamp from trash island
It's not between charaters? Fml lol only my vman has that kinda fishing level. And by that level I mean I need another 10.
Just pull 1000 shellfish from storage like all other quests that ask for items? Should be an easy complete
from trash island
you have shelffish?
To unlock an Island you need 70 fishing?
Maybe I missed it but what does that straw dummy do when you hit it. I hit it for a score but that was all.
I got it unlocked already but I didn't get any stamp nor it was unlocked at the pig guy
At least one talent book scales off of it
It's 1 of the new fish, so you just fish for them nbd
you have to buy it
but you need the new island right?
Its kind of dumb for the new pack Nametag to be for fight afk and fishing efficiency lol.
The one you get from shimmers?
You have to buy the stamps and the bribes... Did you just completely ignore the fish?
I meant I already bought it there
Island unlocks are account wide, that's fine
I only have trash Island yet and no real bonus unlocked there.
Whats the order? Trash shimmer ???
Aye
Sure, but you need the island unlocked before completing it
oh, i assume it would go in your iventory, sry not sure then
Oh. Well with only 5 shimmers youd need some insane luck to get that day 1
yep
yeah I didnt get any
Unlocking the island is purely "wait til lyou can afford it", that's not character-specific
Whats the new talent anyhow?
To be able to unlock an island you need to be 70 fishing right?
What Nate said lol
just to confirm, you went to trash island, paid trash for the stamp, and got nothing dropped/in your invetory? well shit
Is it power of 10, or just pure amount?
any one else tried the stamp, or its bugged?
Oh, nevermind, I missed your message Nate lol
im fresh in w5 what to do now? anything special?
Whats the lvl 200 bonus on that one?
Did that 1 click on the book and prayed like no tomorrow ey?
Not crazy higher? In total 4.2% all stats
Check the pin for divinity by trickz
Like no tomorrow lmao.
get first 3 gods asap.
Figured why not, I could bitch about RNGesus if it didn't go my ways
Do we just get shimmers every day?
so afk at divinity?
weekly
You could just look at the fairy to see the answer to that
My weekly reset is tonight so I thought it was daily till my brother ๐ at me.
Gotcha
which island is the combat island?
Trying to figure out best ways to increase my gaming bits multiplier...
Is the golden nuggest completely random? What exactly is "big nugget luck" with the dirty shovel, does it increase the max number at all?
complete random no pity, upgrading increases max and min valies
Don't hold your breath. It may happen, it may not.
how do i gain more garbage?
