lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[heavy moth]

that one

[tacit tulip]

you're at an early enough point whgere it doesn't really matter what you do, you'll get more as you go

If you do harvest, cactus first always

[spring jasper]

So basicially constantly harvesting for gene gain isnt too bad?

[quiet pewter]

just post an obviously bad meta, smarter ppl will get pissed off and fix it. "if you want to know the awnser to a question, post the wrong answer online" = founder of wikipedia

[tacit tulip]

yeah, most of your early gains come from getting the gaming buffs like artifacts

getting some plants early are good

[uncut hull]

!guide

[granite grove]

imo always harvest asap early, since each crop space available has their own average time to sprout up

ofc until you get cactus and chemical, then order/timing matters

[obtuse orbit]

In progress guide to everything about Idleon. Has builds and explanation on early mechanics
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18BpkkUGPSznTOvEMenognPllGvjTchAkcvHUKqrcu64/edit?usp=drivesdk
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[tacit tulip]

that one might be a good island to get as the rewards are weekly, so starting sooner is...better

[spring jasper]

Thanks everyone

[sick orchid]

Go kill fungy mini boss, it's maxed

[pulsar condor]

i need chem 😦

[granite grove]

so do i

[lusty wedge]

Never know, they might all have some refresh timer somewhere. Some might be daily, and now you've locked yourself into a weekly

[serene forum]

Gaming is the worst system

Months and still no 2nd to last plant. 2%

[deft stirrup]

y u no able to use candy in w5 town

[quiet pewter]

i'd argue the companion system is worse

[granite grove]

so much to bruteforce that .1-.2% odds, need like tons of tries if for avg luck

[lusty wedge]

Same reason you couldnt use candies in world 4 when it was the last world

[serene forum]

I dont even see the companion thing as a game system. Just a cash shop

[quiet pewter]

ok, you have a point

[deft stirrup]

I was able to use candies in w5t yesterday tho, that's why I was confused. But that does make sense

[serene forum]

Unless green gem currency is grindable to me its not really part of the game.

[quiet pewter]

i guess its part of the game as a really bad f2p mechanic

or a really good and expensive p2w

[pallid monolith]

Is anyone else hoarding coliseum tickets, waiting to see if a w5 coliseum is coming? I should I be using my 200 tickets lol

[quiet pewter]

btw im struggling to pronounce your name, is it like 'pasted'?

[granite grove]

it also messes with discord UI, or any UI in general

[serene forum]

That was the intent lol

[tall dirge]

anyone got a TD GUIDE ? that one i just read though has nothing to do with TD

[deft stirrup]

assuming you can clear w4 colisseum easily, I'd use a few there for material purposes if nothing else. I see no reason to hoard 200+ tickets. Same reason I use up all nrg or sanity in BA or arknights. I see no reason to keep something that could be used in a productive manner instead of sitting there collecting dust

[pallid monolith]

Yeah, I guess I could farm eggs by running it

[serene forum]

Just use them with dk when you need certian things. W4 drops massive amounts of eggs and boss keys plus ladles. W3 is drops slush items which are needed to farm recent gear and also w3 keys which are essential for chaotic shrine passive card. W2 i think spawns a doot.

Generaly w3-4 are most important colloseum for rare mats like eggs and stuff. A dk can easily get like 40-80 eggs and keys a run as well as like 200 ladles. Def essential for speeding up late midgame and for collecting keys for boss runs

[deft stirrup]

speaking of I should probably get more chars elite classes lol, only one I have so far is sb

the rest have been sitting in lab

[echo crag]

if they sitting in lab at least get bubo to boost them lol

[serene forum]

No dk?

How have you been living

[deft stirrup]

sheer. effing. will.

lotsa free time helps too

[heavy moth]

can someone explain me why i get 0.31 on a 1/50K drop rate vs 0.15 on a 1/25K drop rate

[serene forum]

Can guild points be used? I have 20k but its a dead guild and leader wont for the life of him upgrade

[lusty wedge]

Only guild leader can use

[tacit tulip]

it's how many portals you need to get one. Bigger drop rate -> More per portal -> Less portals per item

[opaque sun]

For that stat, smaller number is better

[quiet pewter]

is the chance meant to be a decimal like that?

[ivory warren]

can you get atom redux from superbits yet? I got a red bit but still can't buy it

[quiet pewter]

yeah it costs like 1.5 red

[sick sentinel]

its rounded down for some reason

[pure ember]

It's rounded

[ivory warren]

ahhh tyty

[pure ember]

It was rounded up for me, down for others

[sick sentinel]

it showed you 2 red?

[pure ember]

Yea

[sick sentinel]

interesting

[quiet pewter]

might be version dependent

ios?

[pure ember]

Android

[heavy moth]

aight thanks

[heavy moth]

thanks

[pure ember]

Mobile

[opaque sun]

its like 1.9999 red bits

on mobile it says 2

[tacit tulip]

decided I was gonna ruby some useful cards but zzzzz

[sick sentinel]

i couldnt be bothered and cardified it

[tacit tulip]

they're not too bad as long as I remember to snapshot card chance

[dreamy spruce]

thats a LOT of cards needed damn

[tacit tulip]

didn't notice but I've done wurms now

[sick sentinel]

yeah shouldnt take too much time rly

[tacit tulip]

got 7 in 4 minutes

hmm that's still like 5 days...

[sick sentinel]

sounds about right

at least you'er doing deathnote too

[deft stirrup]

completely forgot cards were even a thing lol

[tacit tulip]

Cards are a mild obsession for me

I finished 4* like 3 days before he added the bloody rift

technically that's a lie, I don't have 4* red soul

[dreamy spruce]

damn

[deft stirrup]

damn

[loud isle]

fishing cards are an absolute pain

[tacit tulip]

if you can afford to level them BB absolutely prints fish cards

it's half the reason I want hard fish, to mega level Vman so I can farm cards with BB

[bold quiver]

did u finish 5* cards on fishing?

[iron citrus]

what day is it fellow gamers, i logged in and opened gaming page on 3rd aug, is it still 2023?

feels like been in there years

bonus though new gaming bits x, now 170k from 91k

[placid mural]

what lvl or % cooking roadkill do you all go to before you stopped leveling it?

[haughty cove]

i got it with 0.0%(1 dna)

[paper sail]

Almost always worth leveling

[leaden shuttle]

Rift 31 is eldritch?

[placid mural]

currently at 111%

[paper sail]

Same

Single-slot hourly for me now, may as well

[dreamy spruce]

Damn nice

how do people get liquid cap in the thousands?

[foggy briar]

Worth?

[placid mural]

probably better than one of your existing?

[dreamy spruce]

nvm didnt realize lab gave 5x cap

[paper sail]

Lab bonus, cooking meals, and decanting. There is also gem shop

[dreamy spruce]

Thanks! how much is the meal?

[foggy briar]

Better than my current captains, but the initial stats seem low though

[paper sail]

Depends on levels, meal bonuses, and such

[dreamy spruce]

yeah ofc, pretty big though

[paper sail]

For sure

[dreamy spruce]

How far should I be decanting liquid rate?

[placid mural]

he will level up quickly, IMO worth it

[paper sail]

Rate is pretty pathetic. Level 150 gives 300% and where I chose to stop.

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah, dont have mats to upgrade bubbles rn and wanna do some decanting before going for GT

maybe should just be waiting with CC until I get more than 120k cc

[paper sail]

With 375k CCs, I get ~2900 liquid per 15 minutes

[placid mural]

the trouble i have is actually leveling my water cauldron, because that is the one i always need so i never have the 10s of thousands needed to get its cap and regen levels really high

[barren summit]

Can someone explain to me the rift challenge of "killing a lava skull enemy, skulls split 50% of the time"?
Do i need to keep one alive and just kill all the ones around it to try to build up one mobs skull? or should i just be blasting through killing everything?

[dreamy spruce]

kill the mobs with the skulls

[placid mural]

get your ES or SB and leave them active for an episode of a show and come back to victory

[barren summit]

love yall

[placid mural]

i never have the spare water to level my water cauldron 😦

[paper sail]

I generate water way faster these days than I can spend it. Grint time is only so enticing.

[tacit tulip]

more grind time more grind time

[paper sail]

I spent like 800-1k water hourly on bubbles

the other 11k just ??

[paper sail]

GT already 11k, let me end my suffering. I don't want to watch Bubo

[echo crag]

get your GT to Hotair lvl lol

[dreamy spruce]

above hotait lvl

go to 15001

[paper sail]

Sounds so boring

[heavy moth]

aim for zelb level XD

[paper sail]

I'd rather farm some statues

[echo crag]

think about it from 11th characters perspective lol

[placid mural]

welli am about to start my nearly endless farming of pearler shells and hampters. . . .

[heavy moth]

or for 5K acocunt

[dreamy spruce]

is gt linear bubble?

[paper sail]

11th will be 400+ in a couple of hours, no big deal

[placid mural]

yes

[tacit tulip]

yep

[echo crag]

∞ or riot

[digital sand]

Anyone know if infinite star signs on signs you have not unlocked yet apply the bonus?

[paper sail]

They do. You only need to "buy" them to be able to Double them

[digital sand]

sweet thanks

[paper sail]

Stamp time

[lime marsh]

got a question about the King doot pet. It says all divinites count as active. If I put players in lab with all divinities as active, will they get lab xp? Since the bear makes you get no xp

[dreamy spruce]

bear doesnt make you get no xp

it just doesnt give xp while you arent afk'ing in lab

[paper sail]

Being uploaded in Lab still gives you lab exp, even if connected to bear

[dreamy spruce]

You would get lab and div exp with doot

[lime marsh]

oh ok, thanks guys

[pure ember]

Me with GT at 2k.....

[dreamy spruce]

me at 100 :{

[heavy moth]

wonder if there will be a sailing part 2 XD

[tacit tulip]

It feels like sailing is kinda done

[heavy moth]

yea making me sad with my boats on there way to lvl 300 XD

[dreamy spruce]

https://gistana.idleonefficiency.com
Would anyone mind giving me some pointers? Apart from me slacking on w3 boss

[tacit tulip]

That said the other w4-5 skill all have room for more, so maybe they will too

[heavy moth]

i think most my ship have near 100mil speed would be nice to see a point in that

[placid mural]

anyone have the old tower defense guide? the new guide doesnt have it

[placid mural]

i hope at some point there are more than 7 chip slots per character in the lab

[paper sail]

Stamp day over. Getting closer to that 10k mark

[heavy moth]

yea that would be nice

[dreamy spruce]

damn nice

[nocturne matrix]

is there anything ele worth buying? divinity/worship build

[paper sail]

Divinity? No

Choppin? very yes

[tacit tulip]

That reminds me I have a 20 book

[untold saffron]

last kattle task 6/10, time for the painful bit

[paper sail]

How high is your Vman damage?

And have you been giving them decent book levels?

[untold saffron]

around 45~ haven't optimised him yet

hes fully booked though

[plush spear]

Does archer smeltin everyday talents scale with multikill?

[heavy moth]

45 bil ?

[dreamy spruce]

in afk at least, I heard someone say it might be buggy in active play

[paper sail]

Should "only" take 15-20 minutes with that damage

[plush spear]

Oh okay thanks

[tacit tulip]

Afk yes, keep in mind you're limited by the size of the stack in the forge

[heavy moth]

yea shouldnt take much more

[paper sail]

I'd recommend stacking up movespeed pots. You'll spend a lot of time running

[untold saffron]

the real question is who gets the first scarf while I only have one

[runic girder]

Bb

[paper sail]

BB if super chowing, otherwise probably SB

[proven roost]

Are IE and toolbox still up? I know a bunch of people shit down some of the stuff the community used when lava decide to be a fucking idiot

[dreamy spruce]

they are

[leaden shuttle]

How do you tackle the later islands?

I cannot get 2h trips anymore

[fast grail]

Did you guys stop Hearty Diggy hourly clicking when it got to 95% or to the moon?

[tall dirge]

i want more DR! how 😦

[zealous niche]

More speed will get you 2hr times again, but it’s worth going slower to get some of those artifacts before you can max the speed

[heavy moth]

to the mooon

[sick sentinel]

a lot of it comes from the new boss gear/trophy, maxed cards and prayer. can compare the rest with mine if you want

my cards are doubled rn

[tacit tulip]

if you want a smaller extreme 😛

[leaden shuttle]

What are the best buffs for this?

[tall dirge]

@sick sentinel tyvm umm what cards u using ?

[tacit tulip]

I'd imagine the 6(?) drop rate cards

with doot/brightside doubled

[sick sentinel]

yep

would be nice to have blueberry or whatever it is from the summer event

[tall dirge]

ahh pretty simiral what about you equipment you have an insane bonus there lol

[sick sentinel]

the kattle boss helm and boots give good drop rate, and the new trophy is busted

[tall dirge]

gotcha

[sick sentinel]

oh i forgot about the gemshop keychaines

they gives 25% each. i also i trophy, keychain, and card droublers on

[tall dirge]

i need those ruby cards so much better then

i got the keyrings

[sick sentinel]

pirate hat is in the shop rn right? extra 10% there

[placid mural]

wonder if i have enough time before the forced loss to deal enough damage lol

they are going down about 1mil a second so i think ill be ok

big boi

[dreamy spruce]

damn, gl

[fast tundra]

What is your tower lv?

[placid mural]

54

sry 55

this is where im getting most of the extra damage

166%

im just not sure if i will down him before the 9999 second timer hits

[fast tundra]

🤏

[tacit tulip]

should probably spend some more time on my towers tbh

and get more build speed

[placid mural]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[dreamy spruce]

I think I recently unlocked it, should I start upgrading first 2 towers to 50+ for it?

[placid mural]

no way in hell am i unlocking the wave 130 prayer, unless the final wave is like 4 enemies instead of 2, then i might have chance

[tacit tulip]

28 mobs on wave 130, not a proper boss wave, you should be fine?

[dreamy spruce]

I unlocked all bubbles now, should I move my guys to sigils or max out speed / luck / extra first?

[undone pollen]

well if u got all bubbles does it even matter to upgrade cauldrons?

[dreamy spruce]

w6 gonna get new bubbles presumably

[undone pollen]

oh?

welp ye max it

fuck sigils

[untold saffron]

You can pre-unlock those

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah, but would rather upgrade cauldrons first

since those do something

So I guess its max cauldrons > world 6 bubbles > sigils?

[tacit tulip]

that's what I did

[dreamy spruce]

Then it's what I'll do too

[proven roost]

He doesn't need tk even work kn w6 for a few months, w5 isn't even finished

Hell w4 isn't finished

[runic girder]

?

Anything specific youre missing in w4?

[proven roost]

Quests

There's lab, cooking, breeding, and like 3-4 quests, that's it, there's rift yeh but that's more of a thing you truly do once you've finished w5

[signal osprey]

Lava said less quests in W4 was intentional though

Same as in W5 which also doesnt have as many quests as 1-3

Plus he might be changing it as he has more W4/5 npc's listed on the future content road map

[vocal rose]

the "Idleon Guide Sheet" was taken down?

[dreamy spruce]

Yes, but someone copied it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

[proud pumice]

but the roadmap lava release a few weeks ago had more npcs for w4 and w5 in it

[placid mural]

for those who are invested in the progress. . . 120 will be cleared in time

[pure ember]

What is the minimum refinery time? At 71 seconds rn

[placid mural]

1 hour and 43 minutes later

[pure ember]

53 seconds?

[pure ember]

Would it be better to sell poisionic elders and replace with lightning callers?

[placid mural]

not sure to be honest, i suspect not

[pure ember]

Cuz lightning is better single target while elder has no mob cap

You only have to deal with 2 mobs, not 50

[zealous niche]

I’m at 65, so at least that, but I’ve still got more speed buff from arcade to claim

And my DK’s can still get many more levels

[granite condor]

/guide

[pure ember]

But just because you have things to upgrade, doesn't mean it actually decreases the time

[tacit tulip]

I'm on 64

[placid mural]

OMG wave 130 of W4 is zoomies i might have a chance!

[stable kayak]

Does W5 have music? I been on W5 for 3 or 4 days, but I cant hear music ..

[tacit tulip]

It came up in a livestream shortly after w5 came out

Lava contracts a guy to make the music and he just...hadn't got around to it yet

[oblique plank]

Whoever he contracts for I hope he stays connected with him, that guy makes some great music.

[tall dirge]

my clan sucks anyone got a decent clan for me to join ?

[dreamy spruce]

#1073780959087964210

[tall dirge]

ty

[lost topaz]

Hmm. So I'm leveling all fam to 100 chop... and I don't understand skilling speed at all. Why does my Siege breaker have a better skill speed for chopping than my Voidwalker? Voidwalker is even using boost food and SB is not.

I mean granted none of this matters on either of them.... but I would like to understand it better lol

[obsidian nacelle]

Wooo !! less than a week after getting evergreen!

now how does it work lmao

[stable kayak]

Thank you! Much appreciated

[lost topaz]

It progresses your other gaming active abilities as well as plant board a certain number of hours per evolution

[obsidian nacelle]

ah nice, so ishould try saving them for high tier plants and log correct?

[tacit tulip]

you basically end up in this situation

harvest everything except chems, use shovel, spam water until out

spend bits, use log, repeat

once you're out of everything except chems, use the chems to reset your water/log, and repeat

If you're (un) lucky you can spend a few hours cycling chems

[coral goblet]

hit my first snail bonus today

idk how much it actually will give but im ready

[tacit tulip]

it doubles each level

[coral goblet]

is it one of the many multipliers

or will it actually 2x or whatever it is my bits currently

[tacit tulip]

full 2x

[coral goblet]

[coral goblet]

okay thats huge

and youre only 7 and its that much

[dapper prism]

It doubles each time

https://i.imgur.com/8kPuIv5.png

[coral goblet]

dope lookin forward to snail rng

just got ancient this too

[dapper prism]

Yeh just remember sometimes its more beneficial to wait with the upgrade, e.g. right now i am able to afford what i still need decently, but if i fall back to 15 it'd be annoying for a few days/a week

[obsidian nacelle]

got it, ty for the advice!

[hoary light]

so when there's a food effect buff does that effect potions and golden food or just healing food

[tacit tulip]

"Food effect" = not gold food
"Health food effect" = healing food
"Boost food effect" = not healing/gold food
"Gold food effect" = gold food

[hoary light]

i see

thanks

[untold saffron]

How's this looking for NM kattle?

[tawdry epoch]

Easy peasy

[prisma drift]

Im grinding keys to suffer out my hour long fight

Got my vman to 30B

[barren otter]

might just give up on the key grind soon

[amber dagger]

Good or bad?

[barren otter]

bad

[amber dagger]

First time I seen one so thanks

[restive aspen]

good boaty boy type, absolutely trash trait amounts on the boaty boy

[coral goblet]

on the obol grind

[barren otter]

hey at least your pop obols are done

unless you havent done personal ones yet...

[coral goblet]

i got one set

need a lot of dice still

should i level up that prayer?

as long as im one shotting does it matter multikill

[sharp igloo]

It will lower your multikill

Its good for bosses though

[ebon thunder]

It is possible to lv down the prayer? I kinda lv uped the royal sampler too much and now I am barely getting any exp

[sharp igloo]

I dont think so

[barren otter]

for any farming on DK you should use that at max imo

unless youre not 1 shotting crystals

[coral goblet]

for obol farming multikill doesnt even matter right

so i could just level the drop rate prayer and be better off?

[barren otter]

nope

[coral goblet]

word imma do that then

[barren otter]

if you can afford to souls wise yea

[coral goblet]

my soul gain is okay enough to get some levels in it

[barren otter]

dice is pretty easy to farm anyways compared to pop

[coral goblet]

feel like i got my pop done way faster than the dice is taking

[barren otter]

ig it does depend on if you have choco chip and good crystal spawn rate

[coral goblet]

whats choco chip

lvling up that prayer gave me a lot of drop rate

[opaque sun]

a very vital lab chip that doesn’t come into chip rotation until christmas

[barren otter]

oh no...

@coral goblet

its kind of necessary for any crystal related farming

[coral goblet]

yikes

def dont have that

[vocal flower]

Nvm

Lol wrong dc

[paper sail]

Why are you wearing the accuracy and KPK prayers?

[coral goblet]

i shouldnt be anymore xd

[paper sail]

Or even Skilled Dimwit for that matter

Hurting yourself just for fun 🤷

[coral goblet]

should i turn that one on too?

[paper sail]

I leave it on any time I am not sampling, yes

It isn't huge but may as well

[coral goblet]

bet thanks for the tips

[crisp silo]

Skilled dimwit is goated the -skill exp is barely noticable cause it is additive, but the bonus is multiplicative

I would say it applies to the +skill exp prayer as well, that it is additive

Multikill prayer will mostly outperform kpk prayer so long as you have mk. Running both together reduces the effect of mk prayer, cause u redcing quite a large portion of dmg, causing a loss in mk tier.

[lost topaz]

Can these reroll to 9%?

[tender pine]

where exactly is this crate?

[crisp silo]

Shld be one of the last 3 crates in post office, 2nd tab bottom right

[crisp silo]

All obols can roll +-1% misc

[mild heron]

They’re sometimes invis

[crisp silo]

I think

[tender pine]

that's shipment unit 2 right? and you unlock it by unlocking the last company right?

[crisp silo]

What

[lost topaz]

ty

[wooden elk]

😩😩😩 freedom from 777

[crisp silo]

Uhh yes 2nd set of shipments

Like the page with myriad box

[pure ember]

Ankh is the sailing box iirc

Boosts Agi, and has 10% afk time count as sailing when maxed

[tender pine]

thanks

[untold saffron]

What are your shrines doing there

[wooden elk]

Moved everything over to W5 as that is where I would be spending most of my time. Some min/max I don't care about.

[crisp silo]

Dang shrines in w5 ots been a while since id seen that

[untold saffron]

Either I'm missing some kind of doot shenanigans or you've made a mistake in how shrines work with artifact & lab node🤔

[sick sentinel]

you still need to be in the same world for shrines to level

thats why they moved them

[wooden elk]

I had moved them into W5 not knowing it would be a detriment. Lowest is 17, highest is 20 or 21. If it's a terribly egregious mistake, I would like an opinion on how to fix it.

[crisp silo]

Ehhh its not too bad

[sick sentinel]

depends, do you have doot?

[crisp silo]

If all yr peeps are there, it would prob outweigh lost time

[wooden elk]

Yes, I have doot.
Vman is fishing, but everyone else is doing something worthwhile in W5

[sick sentinel]

it doesnt matter then

better to keep it where you have most of your chars

the usual play for non doot havers is keep them in w4 for lab/cookers

[crisp silo]

9 ppl with +200% charge boost prob would outgain the lost hrs

[modern plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-patience-sw3-gif-21070142

beta

[sick sentinel]

yolo strat stronk

[modern plaza]

hopefully some new companions too

[sick sentinel]

i doubt it

but ya never know

i thought i saw someone post some lava quote saying new ones wouldnt be any time soon

[crisp silo]

Pls no new ones

I still need big sheep

[deft grail]

dayum, over 2 weeks of targetting snow island and i hit b2b eldritchs

[crisp silo]

Which relics sre thosr

The sigil and w1-3eff?

[deft grail]

skilling eff and sigil doubler

[crisp silo]

Yeaaaaa

[deft grail]

yea, good for atoms

makes me wonder if there's a pity system

[crisp silo]

Great that you dont have to wait 3 years for sigils now

[sick sentinel]

yeah only 2 now

[crisp silo]

Nah no pity ask the ppl farming for eldrich fury

[deft grail]

i feel like it's usually the case that there's a huge dry period then u hit them basically in the same run

fury is next 😄

definitely the most satisfying sailing dopamine in a while, had 2 share

[wooden elk]

I gave up yarn to try for fury again, maybe this week. I am running out of ways to boost artifact chance.

[crisp silo]

Gotta check every 2-4hrs for max chance (dissapointment)

[deft grail]

min max that dissapointment

[crisp silo]

Honestly just run them basic ahh chests

More of them = more chanc3

[deft grail]

oof, fury is 0.02 for basic

[crisp silo]

Thats decent

[deft grail]

er, per wood chest

[wooden elk]

I do that, plus sailing procs from Doot, I make sure to check them between procs. Yeah, my basic is around 0.05

[crisp silo]

Welcome to later game sailing

We cope

My current strat is ancient the last 3 relics, go eldrich all prev and then pray

[deft grail]

do u have eldritch on ur first island?

those are actually pretty easy to hit

and then eldritch the arti chance one, i think its island 2

[wooden elk]

I caved and used gems for the final ancient, I had started getting eldritch before I got lantern.

[twilit goblet]

ive been moving one island at a time, on 3rd island now, just upgrading ships until it is slow then move on. Getting what eldritch i could get

[deft grail]

yeah nice to target islands for ship upgrades sometimes

[twilit goblet]

yea it feels better when im actually upgrading something, since luck is luck anyway. Hammering most ships on 1 island for the eldritch feels bad but could be more effective

[deft grail]

well at some point ship upgrades are basically irrelevant to ur progress so u learn to ignore ship stats

account progress* at least

ive grabbed a fair amount of pure arti chance captains when i roll good ones

rng on rng

[twilit goblet]

bro is loot value good? ive been upgrading them whichever is cheaper

thinking each trip gives me more mats > lead to faster upgrdes

currently only 2 boat can make it to crystal steak island within min travel time, rest of the ships are very far away from 5m

[deft grail]

loot value is solid, helpful for upgrading ships to get speed high enough that can u can farm all islands

[twilit goblet]

and the crystal steak aint dropping

[deft grail]

sometimes u want a boat spd or two for the last two-three islands too

[twilit goblet]

yea im prioritising loot value and boat speed rn, slowly grinding up the islands

[deft grail]

im fairly casual tho some ppl might have different preference

grab arti chance when it's a highroll imo

[twilit goblet]

that loot value artifact was good but i couldnt get it eldritch before the other 2 artifact got eldritch so i just moved on

[deft grail]

the arti chance guys can grind eldritch and dont need speed

since theyre usually farming low tier islands

[twilit goblet]

ah arti chance, yea ill be on the lookout, too many cloud discover + boat speed/loot value currently

[deft grail]

those start to appear more at higher sailin, im like 89

i forget when they start popping up

there's a chart pinned (?)

[muted bramble]

quick question does anyone know what the number in the sigil progress means ? is there a way to math it out ?

[paper sail]

Hours.

[deft grail]

the base is 1/hr

[twilit goblet]

wtf TIL

that's a lot of hours

[deft grail]

then there's the gemshop upgrade, and sigil that itself upgrades speed, then yarn which upgrades sigil effect

[twilit goblet]

so daily u can get 96 hours only

[deft grail]

hours pre char, so that's 3 base

[paper sail]

I'd recommend just using IE or IT 🤷 They show the math

[deft grail]

per*

[muted bramble]

is there a way to boost that progress time ?

[twilit goblet]

the sigil that boost speed i suppose

[sick sentinel]

what almonds posted above

[muted bramble]

i did do that

[paper sail]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=sigil

[muted bramble]

GOATED both of you

also peak lab person right here

[crisp silo]

Im going for eldrich dreamcatcher, all others have

[muted bramble]

Another random question is there an optimal trapping set up ?

[crisp silo]

Use Bm royal 40hrs for base + shiny, vman place natural 20hrs for exp

[strong nova]

trap chart should still suffice

[fading cape]

Hold left click to use in mass when?

[muted bramble]

dont, just get green number

Ez

[fading cape]

But need cooking levels. 😦

[granite grove]

but 2/3.5% total damage for 10 chars

[crisp silo]

Grimp the es

Thats what i did

[muted bramble]

[crisp silo]

Or make es only pull charge from lower exp totems

And vmam from the highest exp/charge totem

[strong nova]

hmm you can use active skillxp % on it

[crisp silo]

To be fair vman shld be getting like x15 or smth exp gain and es shld be like 3-7x exp gain

So like

1 doot

[muted bramble]

got my doot... to lazy to work on samples

[loud isle]

Finally got my first full set of diamond cards

[crisp silo]

Just do it, bigger damples are bugger samples

[green eagle]

Resampling after doot is so easy though

[muted bramble]

honestly debating on buying my way to a second doot to trade the first one for the next big thing

[crisp silo]

Ill trade you 1 frog for 1 doot

[loud isle]

80 more per hour than a week ago, good work king

[muted bramble]

Add 9 rams and you got a deal

[green eagle]

Flawed plan, whoever you would want to trade with would have to have the next big thing AND not have doot

[strong nova]

80>0

[muted bramble]

which is probably gonna be happening

[paper sail]

The actual amount of Efficiency the Mman boosts for Worship is pathetic. We're talking 1% or less efficiency, which is basically no difference in souls. Don't gimp your ES for it. However, I'd still say to always focus EXP specifically on the Mman because of the Species Epoch talent.

[green eagle]

Only ones I don’t have doubles of are right slug and doot. Other than that I can trade folks the others

[paper sail]

Forest Souls do boost Efficiency And the vial of course

[muted bramble]

.... soon .... soon

[paper sail]

Sidenote: Don't forget about Crystal Cooldown as well to help Mman's skillage

Get those mostly-free levels

True, but..

🤷 At least once a week lol

I try never to do the same single active task for more than 3 days in a row. Helps reduce burnout of just staring at the same 1 thing

[hardy bloom]

is this on idleonefficiency?

[paper sail]

Players > MMan > Skills

[hardy bloom]

thank you sir

[paper sail]

Shouldn't take too terribly long, especially with 200 tent 😂

[fresh plank]

Do soul charge rate slow down the higher it goes?

[ionic acorn]

Is that normal that I can link my characters without being in lab without having 2nd god BUT I have king doot…?

[silver comet]

Yes

[paper sail]

Charge rate increases with Worship Level and Skill speed, including from your Skull. If you wear the Slush skull, it has atrocious skill speed and thus tanks your daily rate.

[silver comet]

Get the CC bubble up

[fading cape]

get it to 100m and it's atom time baby

[fresh plank]

Oh no, wearing 1 before the best skull, just wondering why it'd take me 25 days to get 100% from 25% xD

[silver comet]

Not too many once you start getting higher samples

[paper sail]

Your max charge capacity also increases with those same factors, level and skull. Charge generally increases faster than rate. It is normal to see 1+ months to fully charge.

[paper sail]

Gross. Fix your prints.

[fresh plank]

Oh, thought it was just me

[eager ridge]

is there something i should focus on upgrading in gaming or do i just buy whatever i can afford?

[fresh plank]

Err, higher TD round = more fast-redo exp?

[paper sail]

Nah, pretty normal 👍

[paper sail]

Yes. IE will show your souls and exp per charge at each totem based on your max wave. You can also input your efficiency and Food Effect too.

[fresh plank]

Oh sweet

Not much for efficiency rn, just need everyone to get to lv 100 for that lv1000 rift bonus

[silver comet]

Gotta get td 1 to 160

[paper sail]

I'll redo once I get the 95% cost redux capped

Food effect is absolutely bonkers busted for worship

If you are trying for souls and not using it, you're just shooting yourself in the foot

Quick-claim will count the food

Including the mini-totem in w3 from construction

I'm up to something like 172% soul gain with food effect star sign and card doubled. Nutty

Non-consume food chance will make it last quite a long time

Mages can get that 98/99% cap super easily with the tab2 talent

[fathom lagoon]

Bro same lol

[raven fog]

Bubo and dk fishing ehat did i miss

Use balloons

[paper sail]

I need to finish getting Fishing and Catching to 750 I don't wanna

Balloons for cooking, dawg

Might as well just use a 2h time candy at that point

but yeah I get it

[spring yarrow]

How often should I harvest my plants in gaming?

[clear quartz]

mmm chem

[raven fog]

For achievements and unlocking as much as u can

[clear quartz]

unsure what i want to work on lately, greenstacking and maybe pushing some atom collider stuff seems reasonable, and slowly getting everyone pushed to accessing kattlekruk. rotating through different dudes to run as active but nothing feels super impactful

[placid mural]

We are going to need some braze souls to sacrifice their island unlocks so we can all figure out what you get from each island so we know what the priority should be

Brave souls*

[granite grove]

just wait for someone to datamine the game

[fast grail]

Ctrl+f will be best way to find bonuses

[pure ember]

Yea

But I bet it will be simple to gather them all, the discord server is 150k strong after all

[hollow wasp]

Is there an easy way to calculate active mob kills / h? When it's 100k mobs / h afk with 50% afk gains, is it 200k active? (es)

[dapper prism]

Nawh afk gains has nothing to do with active kills/kill rate, you could be 200x faster active, even if you have 100% afk gain, you could be like 5000% better active.

You could track your online gains per X time, then divide by XP per mob (some variables like crystals that can mess it up) but still a rough estimate?

[hollow wasp]

So what I could do is make a stopwatch for 6mins and do it x10 to have 1 hour

[dapper prism]

Oh you could open card UI or DN and track the kills you do in that time there.

But never use afk gains from afk info window to "estimate" your active stuff, since there's no relation to eachother

[hollow wasp]

I try that later, I want to get vman but 1m kills on w1 to w3 mobs sounds massive

[dapper prism]

Then you may be a bit early

[hollow wasp]

My maestro is 140 now in lvl

[dapper prism]

you also want to do that on BB

for chow

[hollow wasp]

My BB is lvl 115 or smth, he will take forever

Also I have a massive dmg difference between ES and all others

[dapper prism]

Level doesn't have much to do with power either xD

[hollow wasp]

Others are like 5m dmg max es is 25m

[dapper prism]

How close are you to fury?

[hollow wasp]

What was it again

[dapper prism]

Sailing artifact, +25 talents

[hollow wasp]

Oh idk?

That's my artifacts

Anyway gotta drive to work now

[dapper prism]

Oh easier if you show islands

but looks like you're around 6 artifacts away

[placid mural]

red frizbees

[dapper prism]

Vman only person it's really worth doing mob mats on

[grizzled elk]

mob mats that you can't reach on vman, not great samples I'm sure but better than nothing

[mild heron]

I’d just say set him on flys or some easy catch thing for atoms

[dapper prism]

thats what i do

[true obsidian]

did Idleonefficiency web down? i can't access it anymore

[dapper prism]

still up

!ie

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleonefficiency.com/ Unofficial 3rd party site made by Sludger#6559

[thorn oriole]

Does anyone have the cog config link?

[strong nova]

idleon toolbox have it

if you mean cogtimizer

[fallen flax]

Should I level the prayer Royal Sampler? Or does it work best at lvl 1?

[strong nova]

if you already capped at 90% sample rate

main reason is reaching 90%, exp penalty is kinda small since grindtime, skill xp is hurt a bit

[twilit goblet]

https://monoblos.github.io/cogtimizer/
this?

[fallen flax]

How can I check my sample rate?

[gentle furnace]

skill info cons tab

[strong nova]

click on construction icon on inventory

[fallen flax]

Ah, okay. I'm at 79.6% now.

[spring yarrow]

You mean when I hit my max plant cap?

[hollow wasp]

I didn't mess to much with this yet

Oh I just realized I can unlock cloud6, I forgot I put a ship there one day

[thorn oriole]

YES THANK YOU

[halcyon viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807294310571573310/814843309964394536/spike-baba-alert3-3-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.gif

[spring yarrow]

cheers

[dapper dome]

Sailing UI and like setting up captains with boats needs an overhaul

holy crap this is a pain

[twilit goblet]

I always do it while glancing over at IE

too much pain to go back and forth to check speed

[dapper dome]

i really need to replace a bunch of these, but like,

me rn

[twilit goblet]

For samples, for doubling star sign, are the best star sign to double the skill afk gains?

[dapper dome]

also, my luck with this island, has been horrid

[twilit goblet]

and boost food

[vague lark]

I made a mistake of placing my all shrines on the dock. So now the captains play hide and seek there. Placing the shrines else where will wipe few hundred thousands of progress.

[vagrant mountain]

if you turn on Show Identity, it'll show letters and numbers above your captains and boats

why not w4?

[vague lark]

Was doing divinity and pushing W5

[vagrant mountain]

rip

hope w6 doesnt have new afk area because im not moving my shrines ever lol

[willow sorrel]

Is anyone else missing the baba yaga inventory bag cos they cbbs

[gentle furnace]

Kill baba from colo and complete quest, ez

[sly plank]

what are the good uses for alchemy bargain tag?

[royal cliff]

Whatever you need?

I mean diamond chef is good until the salt cost is way too high for even bargain tag

[grand karma]

any bubble u want to upgrade and its relatively hard for u to get the mats for it

like murk said, spice bubbles are a good choice

[sly plank]

I guess I was looking to see if there were a few generally recommended bubbles, I've just been using them randomly and wanted to make better use of it

[grand karma]

every bubble helps in one way or another

[sly plank]

yeah of course

but some bubbles will be obviously not worth bargain tagging

but I'm also not smart enough to figure out which ones are harder to acquire mats for longer term

[grand karma]

salts, spices, smithing items

monster mats are usually harder to get also

[dapper prism]

What to Bargain Tag rough comments #bargain discount alchemy
All items from:

• Skilling or mob drops are essentially easy to obtain
• Trapping can be annoying and time gated, slow
• Anvil + Furnace can be annoying slow
• Salts are extremely slow, may have some benefits there
• Spices extremely slow, try and push this early on a bit
• Sailing Mats can be annoying early on too.

Try and make sure your NBLB doesn't ever hit skilling items or mob drop stuff as they are "easy" to grind out compared to others.
Use Bargain stuff on whatever is beneficial but also slow/hard to get, as it's also very situational what bubbles you are on, how high stuff is (when nblb will hit what) and all that stuff.
It's also someitmes good to NOT 90% bargain but rather 70-82% stuff that's not too hard but also not easy, that way you get to do more discounts a day.

@sly plank

[grand karma]

good ol trickz writing a straight up guide when someone asks a question

i love that

[sly plank]

[dapper prism]

If i know i havn't written something, may as well write up some basics quickly that way in the future i can just Ctrl+F this

[grand karma]

smart man

[fast grail]

Is there a spreadsheet or anything for being able to run infinite refineries? Just about at the limit of what is on the pic in the pin

[dapper prism]

Gratz for being that high xD

[fast grail]

damn, oh well

[grand karma]

man just came here to flex on us lol

[fast grail]

Not good enough to flex in endgame, but too much for w5 questions

[pine slate]

Can only characters that have made it to world 5 actually go there cause rn only my maestro can

[fast grail]

Sad life of late-late-game

[dapper prism]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-here-gif-19517415

[fast grail]

I dont even have purple damage yet, so no endgame for me. Only thing I really have on endgame is def

Working towards hourly clicks is a good goal iof you havent already

If still low samples and you are sampling re-often, can work on leveling bubbles you can print resources for or just general min bubble level

[worldly bluff]

It’s sad when w3-4 chat no longer holds any relatability anymore

[sly plank]

juicer gang pet territory battle is taking forever, can't seem to outdamage the heal

I'm doing rattler mono def refill refill badum

[zealous niche]

Don’t do badum for territory battles

[sly plank]

any changes I should make or should I just try again when my power is higher

oh

[zealous niche]

Fleeter worked well for me in place of badum

[sly plank]

awesome I'll try that thanks

[vagrant mountain]

i used looter - mono - rattler - refill - defender - refill for every single spice battle avg power 15k~

[sly plank]

looter isn't working for me since I unlocked alchemic

game just keeps crashing now

[vagrant mountain]

oof

[sly plank]

yeah it is what it is

[vagrant mountain]

can do two rattler instead but will be slow

[sly plank]

I'm trying with fleeter right now and seems to be ramping up faster than badum, at least for now

I'll just sit on this for a while

thanks all

[fading dust]

Wus fastest way to get chizoar blankie

Great thx!

[gentle furnace]

no problem with alchemic

[brazen cliff]

Rift 47 doesn't seem easy with bb, bulbo, or bm with significantly more than 500b dmg

Forever 3/4

[vagrant mountain]

im stuck at 37 or 38

need dmg

gated by sailing artifacts

[fast grail]

Bubo is pretty easy with aura and ~800b

I equiped wand on bubo for once in his life and just would manually et close to monster

[modern plaza]

only need 200b i thought for this… 😦

[grand karma]

the answer is always our lord and saviour alchemy

[vagrant mountain]

getting slow gains from alchemy but these literally x2+ my dmg

[modern plaza]

or just concede to the devil doot

[vagrant mountain]

imagine not having doot

[fading dust]

Is chizoa r blankie best forlate game?

[vagrant mountain]

its used in recipe for best in slot late game

yeah

just get 10

[fading dust]

10'is such a grind

[vagrant mountain]

just get 1 and transfer it around to all your characters 😆

[fading dust]

Oh shit an obol

[stuck elbow]

so goddamn lazy to do chemicals

[vagrant mountain]

or just say fk it and dont upgrade your gear ever

[fading dust]

Plat gear forever

[vagrant mountain]

void dead gear though

[fading dust]

Are you armor shaming

[vagrant mountain]

im waiting til i can craft troll set x10

[fading dust]

I am part of the dementia cult atm

[vagrant mountain]

heh most of my chars are in dementia

[fading dust]

Fmj bubble is the real carry here

[vagrant mountain]

i literally made this plat armor the day before lava made the update to change dementia recipe to not need plat armor

[fading dust]

We need an option to multikill bosses fr

[vagrant mountain]

drop rate is basically multikill

[fading dust]

Like spend x keys to kill normal chizoar x times

Let it scale off multikill or something

[buoyant valley]

does this seem low for the stats?

[fast grail]

hes gonna have to pry gear upgrades out of my cold dead hands

[vagrant mountain]

lmao the slime gear im dead 😆

[buoyant valley]

getting get that bread

[fast grail]

His last upgrade was before w4 was released

[modern plaza]

wow i like that tbh. just wait for next gear split tbh

[vagrant mountain]

troll gear x10

[fast grail]

Funny thing is, is that i could without a doubt instantly get this guy into full magma, just cant be bothered

[modern plaza]

i put my whole account on clams in hopes to get a few sets

[buoyant valley]

i collected all the cooking shoes

just need troll pieces

[vagrant mountain]

im gated by salt

[buoyant valley]

this is with molten gear too >.>

[vagrant mountain]

😱

[buoyant valley]

why so low rank

[vagrant mountain]

cuz no salt

[buoyant valley]

😮

[untold saffron]

Those omni claims with doot really do burn through refinery mats

[vagrant mountain]

mmm no i just ranked my refinery up too much early

look at my mats 😆 got enough for like 100 days

[vagrant mountain]

mines almost fixed

i was at rank 8 red, rank 7 yellow, rank 6 blue lol

[buoyant valley]

oof

[vagrant mountain]

didnt really understand how it worked, just wanted more damage for my DK 😆

[buoyant valley]

more dmg is always the goal

[vagrant mountain]

my dmg is gated behind 0.5% chance

[modern plaza]

honestly, if you always keep them at 0% they fix themselves overtime

but i don’t think its fun being empty on salts for a long time

[opal raft]

If im on the 25th alch bubble and i still have the option to brew a new bubble does it just not do anything and eats my cauldron points?

[modern plaza]

no , gets w6 rdy

[opal raft]

so i should still do it?

or is it more ideal to max out the boosts

[vagrant mountain]

up to you, it pre-unlocks future bubbles and doesnt take too long but not really necessary

[fast grail]

52m for W6, 272m for W7 , 1.3B for W8

[vagrant mountain]

i stopped here but i think you can go further

[opal raft]

my boosts are all only at lvl 100 each so im thinking i max that instead

the 1% roll chance is already pretty rough

[vagrant mountain]

ehh just play bubo overnight and you will be able to click 500x

[opal raft]

roadkills at 113 not terrible but it can prob be higher. my worry is that the game lags and dies from the drops when i fill my inv lol

but i guess i do desperately need twine from floms

[vagrant mountain]

just filter monster mats

[modern plaza]

abs max lvls

[vagrant mountain]

feels bad but you get used to it

[opal raft]

hm ok ill try that out tonight then

[vagrant mountain]

also i went for maxing these and tbh i dont think its worth it, just takes too much time when you can start farming sigils earlier

[unreal fox]

someone know how to increase forge speed ?

[fast grail]

2 min archer claims

[vagrant mountain]

archers

[unreal fox]

ah this skill right?

[opal raft]

maybe ill aim for 150 on each cauldron

[unreal fox]

ah ty guys

[unreal fox]

it still working when i afk?

or only active

[modern plaza]

u can pop candies

[vagrant mountain]

when you claim afk gains, every 2 mins is optimal

[modern plaza]

i like to just keep BM on green mushrooms for eternity

good forge and increase account money gain

imagine rotating passive spice claim with your whole account all day long

[placid mural]

HFS!!!!!!

[vagrant mountain]

grats

how long did it take?

[vagrant mountain]

[modern plaza]

make sure to only upgrade that one stamp with 95% & 90%

[hardy bloom]

is it worth it upgrading to divine armor although losing the misc stat % of magma?

[modern plaza]

good to have at least 1 set of divinity

[untold saffron]

Since it has mob respawn I'd assume it has better afk gains most of the time?

[hardy bloom]

is there no cap to afk gains when adding more mob respawn?

[modern plaza]

definitely a niche for things like vman runs too

[untold saffron]

Just make sets of both for every character instead

[hardy bloom]

ill prioritise the head first since it gives so much dmg

[hardy bloom]

the only thing i hate about crafting high tier items is salt

[untold saffron]

6 days until I max the pea pod sigil

Them maxed skulls be brutal

[hardy bloom]

better amt of tooth if i run for normal kattle instead of chaotic right?

[untold saffron]

You won't get the second kind of tooth though which I think is needed

[hardy bloom]

yeah i already had those

i got stuck at "defeat kattle with 6 players"

so i farmed second tooth for a while

[hardy bloom]

my vman was just struggling with his 18m dmg at that time

[untold saffron]

Then ye, even the necklace and all is technically better rate per key ratio on normal

[hardy bloom]

oooh

thank you sir

if only lava added auto boss fights

[untold saffron]

I only just did the 10 kill kattle task today

Vman definitely got his cardio in😂

[hardy bloom]

i am now stopping at defeat chaotic kattle in 30 secs

theres no way my bm can kill it in 30 secs

[untold saffron]

Have you tried aura on bubo

[hardy bloom]

still only has 1616m

my bubo is at 270m only

thats why im planning on getting divine helm

so that my dmg will be boosted , and maybe i can kill 30 secs

[wheat kiln]

Guys can you show me the photo of salt rank ?

[untold saffron]

W4 pins

[wheat kiln]

I don't find it

[untold saffron]

#midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮 message

[hardy bloom]

guys i think my dr is bugged

even when i remove the christmas gift

still at 5.33

[wind umbra]

probs haVE LAB CHIP

[sand summit]

Ye prob lab chip

[hardy bloom]

ooooh so that was what's boosting my dr

awww man

will bosses have increased HP if I use the DR prayer?

[ashen marsh]

is this a good one?

[hardy bloom]

i personally wouldnt prefer it

idk though

[ashen marsh]

kkk np

ty

[hardy bloom]

my charas are struggling on reaching the note island so yeah im currently prioritizing sailing speed

[ashen marsh]

i'm going to prioritze speed as well

need more items to lvl up speed

[willow pelican]

HP scaling doesn't affect bosses, so you can equip them all for extra Dr, money and xp

[vagrant mountain]

yum

dmg just 2x

[glad hamlet]

[twilit goblet]

Are there any bubbles to prioritise for early atoms?
Thinking of just pumping larry to 500 for guaranteed 2x but im only producing 8.5k atoms per day.

Trying to push bigger oak samples for more atoms as well

bubble 1,2 , le brain tools , severapurple can be atom-ed currently

[sharp igloo]

Id focus on atomming bubbles that will raise your oak samples more before larry 500. Get larry to like 80% and then raise your samples. Once youre getting like 50k+ atoms a day, go back to larry

[twilit goblet]

ye make sense, ill have a look on the heatmap. Which of the bubbles above matters the most?

oh im only 63% in larry, itll be another 210 levels before i can brign it to 80% haha

[sharp igloo]

Idk rn Ive been atoming larry too, but it costs like 70k atoms a day to do all of my 40 daily atoms on that, so If Im low on atoms, Ill do either wis bubble 1, or 2, or the one that adds base damage

[twilit goblet]

ah just dont waste the upgrades

appreciate the advice bro

[sharp igloo]

No problem. I atommed only wis for a week or 2, but now Im realizing I should probably do some other shit lol

Even fmj might not be that bad to prep for w6

[twilit goblet]

fmj is the least of my concern, now im just trying for bigger prints

actually larry first might not be so good since it cost so much atoms and im already at 81%

chance to 2x

did u atom severapurple? that cost a lot too

[sharp igloo]

Fmj is linear though, and doesnt have a cap, so if you atom it for a few days youll be solid forever on def probably

[twilit goblet]

true true, linear ones are really good

[sharp igloo]

Which one is sevrapurple? Im terrible with the names lol

[twilit goblet]

its the one that boost multiple other bubbles

bubble 17?

[sharp igloo]

Oh yeah I atommed that one to like 2.76x or something around there I think

[twilit goblet]

yeyee thats the one

[sharp igloo]

I think it caps around 3x

[twilit goblet]

must had been a lot of atoms, it's really expensive for me so far

[sharp igloo]

Oh thats weird, it didnt cost me nearly that much. Is your cost cauldron 170?

[twilit goblet]

not yet, does cost reduction reduce atom too?

f

imma bubo then

[sharp igloo]

I think so

[twilit goblet]

been putting it off since i cant raise much bubbles

[sharp igloo]

Cause it also costs way less atoms if you do it on the appropriate class

[twilit goblet]

oh yea this is on my mage

if it's less on yours it is likely the cost

[sharp igloo]

Yeah cost level, and also the bubble that decreases costs, plus the bubble that multiplies that bubble

[hardy bloom]

letsgooo i thought it would take me at least 100 runs

[twilit goblet]

the bargain one, been putting that off too

Green souls galore

[sharp igloo]

Im not sure which one it is off the top of my head, but that sounds right.

[sharp wind]

3more days till 900

[ember kite]

yo yo, yo yo yo
What's your favorite place to grind obols with Seige/ES/Void?

any obols, I'm frag farming

[opaque sun]

unless otherwise its DK at w2 for frags

[vagrant mountain]

w2 sandy pots on dk

ES is ok too , you will get more glass shards but not as many obols

[ember kite]

I don't use my DK much, is there a reason that over ES with high drop + portal?

[vagrant mountain]

ES drop only affects mobs not crystals

[tacit tulip]

Obols primarily ceom from the crystals, which DK is best at

[ember kite]

Would potential max DK or Void with 1 in 9 crystal chance be better?

[vagrant mountain]

vman is also alright because you have crystal countdown and come out crystals but you still get less obols than DK

[ember kite]

still less than dk?

[vagrant mountain]

kill too slow

DK cleared the map 4 times by the time you clear it once on vman

[ember kite]

I know I'm questioning your advice but if I put mob respawn on Void would DK still be better over all? I.e. 60% mob respawn with keychains

[vagrant mountain]

vman just has no map clear other than his AoE every 40s

[ember kite]

yea fair, dk has the 3 wave's on almost every attack and just like 10 seconds

[opaque sun]

DK spawns like comparable amounts of crystals, but the orb bonus is what makes it much better than vman

[vagrant mountain]

yeah at 400 orb and 10x drop rate, every kill is basically 4 kills at 10x DR

i would say its at least 2-3x better than anything else for farming crystals

[ember kite]

my DK is really underleveled, I had him stuck in lab and mines forever with Refine talents maxed

I need to get him optimized

[vagrant mountain]

if you active farm 24 hrs on ES you will get less than if you spent 12 hrs leveling up your DK and farming for 12 hrs on your DK

[ember kite]

oh damn

so does DK orb work on the crystals then?

[vagrant mountain]

everything on the map yup

[ember kite]

as a passive DR

[opaque sun]

like thats the whole point of DK

[ember kite]

I kinda use my DK as a really good squire

[opaque sun]

technically DK orb is gimmie gimmie mechanic

[vagrant mountain]

i was playing DK and i opened 120 of the easter gummies with 500 orb and I got 270 blue candy 190 red candy 😆

[ember kite]

When I first got the elite classes I thought it was a highscore mechanic so like 500 = 500 forever but only advances if you get to 501+++ ect.

not an added

[opaque sun]

At say 260orb, it has 40% chance to treat a kill as killed 3 times for drops, and 60% chance to treat as 4 times

[vagrant mountain]

it is the number on top of the orb

farming more increases your printer output through his class skill

[ember kite]

yea thru the passive

[opaque sun]

In effect it acts like a drop rate anyway

[vagrant mountain]

underrated effect of the orb is that it affects your exp, so DK is actually fastest leveling character too

[ember kite]

does seige breaker droprate passive talent work on crystals?

[vagrant mountain]

yes but it doesnt go very high

[solemn spire]

third troll achievemt is actually quite tedious because you have to push 5 characters through w4

just realized it

[ember kite]

just wait till you get to w5 💀

[vagrant mountain]

😆

[ember kite]

so your max armour is hardstuck at starfire/ chiz?

[vagrant mountain]

funny

[ember kite]

:0

how

[solemn spire]

my es is pushing it as we speak to unlock atom collider

[ember kite]

I feel like you could tripple your damage just by getting to troll much less magma or bone

[ember kite]

very fair

[opaque sun]

DK and bubo like near top tier of exping (DK at wurms probably bears bubo by a little bit)

[vagrant mountain]

im gated by nullo salts for troll gear, until then everybody gets slab gear

[ember kite]

what's your rift lookin like?

sorry for ping

[vagrant mountain]

im on 38

[solemn spire]

i forgot to print void ore and my nullo salts were out of commission for almost a week or so... so salty abt that

[ember kite]

once you get to 41-46??? idk, but unlock the construction one, at 1000 total levels you get extra refine speed, like 100%-200%

[opaque sun]

need to make that into a bar too

[vagrant mountain]

yeah i would if i could 💀 its 41

[solemn spire]

ik but since i have the automation arm depositing, i just didn't notice running out of ore

[ember kite]

100% worth, it boosted my production to like 1 production per 15min to like 1 production per 2min

[opaque sun]

trust me, making the bar is more of an issue than getting ores for nullo

You need to do some repeated claims on sb (candies)

[ember kite]

do you buy the w5 oil every shop reset?

[vagrant mountain]

what do you even use void bars for other than gear?

[opaque sun]

why you need oil

[solemn spire]

nullo salts

[noble mesa]

U can , and u can gstack it

[opaque sun]

2 min claim of sb caps out the forge cap

[vagrant mountain]

oh

[fresh plank]

Ya'll remember how much elite class swap token was? so I know how much to save xD

[opaque sun]

Adding oil do it doesnt help much

[ember kite]

ik that, I'm asking if they buy it

[noble mesa]

Ooo k

[ember kite]

extra bars per smelting tick, if you make enough cash it's free bars every day forever

[valid plume]

From my memory i think i was around 600

[opaque sun]

A single claim of SB smelting can only smelt 1 forge cap filling no matter how long of an afk even with auto arm as the auto arm fills forge after the afk claim

[fresh plank]

Thx mate

[ember kite]

Arcade bonus lets you max out the forge capacity, mines only at like 17% extra but it's worth it

[opaque sun]

helps a bit, but a drop in the ocean

[ember kite]

true

[opaque sun]

Lava needs to lift the forge upgrade cap

[vagrant mountain]

refinery speed or bust

[opaque sun]

Every other things are in w5 numbers while forge is still left in w2 numbers

[vagrant mountain]

heh

[ember kite]

😢

1 short

😎

[vagrant mountain]

damn you

making me relapse on my gambling addiction

[ember kite]

lmao, I have 500 arcade balls, I just had an extra 280 golden aparently

[vagrant mountain]

another reason to use DK:

you'll have so many you will just have them in your inventory on all your characters to save storage space

[ember kite]

there was a bonus that was availible for 1 single update and it gave you extra worship souls, he didn't even mention in in the PETS patch notes, but I was live on the stream when he mentioned them

best purchase of my career

[vagrant mountain]

what is that

arcade shop?

[ember kite]

Idleon efficiency arcade section

[opaque sun]

Due to arcade rotation managed manually, yeah there are some of those rare ones that only appeared once

[vagrant mountain]

i like how theres no slow mode in this c hat

so

i

can

just spam u

[ember kite]

😂

less than 15 days in between

[opaque sun]

Also i think there was a rotation that immediately got switched after lava doing some hotfix

[ember kite]

is when the bonus was purchasable

[strong nova]

i dont even clear rift yet

[zinc torrent]

Try it. Its food

Good

[ember kite]

very food

[strong nova]

and my vman cant clear kattle nightmare

[zinc torrent]

I'm still stuck at rift 44

[strong nova]

im lacking damage for ruby card rift

[ember kite]

I feel that

[strong nova]

i need bazilion luck, my luck buble not atomized yet, so behind