lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[outer plank]

i think pimere and i have the same goal rn,

stack dna to 50 or so and collect, doing that as fast as possible.

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah I only need chem myself

[outer plank]

should i be fine not going for bits while i do this? i dont get many bits as it is rn and ive been told gaming takes off when you get chem so naturally youd wanna get chem asap

[signal osprey]

Saving DNA is worse odds to get the chem though

[outer plank]

ok thats the same answer to not the question we asked

is it better harvesting t1 plants constantly rather than waiting for them to level up

[dreamy spruce]

yeah should we be harvesting t1 plants or t4

[bold quiver]

good question, I never checked that

[signal osprey]

That depends entirely on what youre trying to do

[outer plank]

get chem

stack dna as fast as possible, collect at 50 and resset

i feel like just collecting t1 is best

[signal osprey]

Then turn on kitsune and sit at your monitor until you get it collecting plants as they spawn

[dreamy spruce]

alright, thanks

[outer plank]

perfect

[signal osprey]

Except dont collect at 50

Collect at 10

[bold quiver]

yeah u can force respawn full board most of the times u claim on another character with 1h afk time

maybe less

so every 1h u can do 10 full boards (maybe less i dont remember

[tacit tulip]

10 is the best odds just means you click more

[outer plank]

ye tahts what im hoping for

[kind geyser]

Is this exp multiplier normal ?

[dreamy spruce]

im collecting at 1

[signal osprey]

Collecting at 50 is a .3% chance

[outer plank]

im going for evergreen still so i have some leeway before it falls off i think

[signal osprey]

Collecting at 10 for the .1% 5 times maths out to .49% total

[bold quiver]

seems normal

[outer plank]

im gonna research at 0.3 or so

[signal osprey]

Same principal applies no matter what plant you have

The more dna you have saved the worse it gets

Collect as often as you can

[dreamy spruce]

Seems like it goes for everything, doesn't it

[signal osprey]

Pretty much

[outer plank]

i thought it was a better dna:% ratio for evergreen

[tacit tulip]

It is, but the diminishing returns is still the same

so often, low, is still better

[outer plank]

gotcha

[tacit tulip]

the deciding factor really is your sanity

[bold quiver]

if u only have, one shot, one opportunity, would u waste if on 0,1 or 0,3

[little pagoda]

Failed 9 bubble unlock at 12% on one cauldron and then got a bubble unlock in 1 try at 11% on the other cauldron, RNG is a bitch

[signal osprey]

But you dont have one shot lol

You have one shot at .3

Or like 5 shots at .1

[bold quiver]

indeed

can u collect with 1 dna? is it still 0.1?

[tacit tulip]

think 10 is minimum to attempt

[lament jasper]

No new bubbles for 3 days here.....

[dapper prism]

Failed ~34 attempts at a 13% bubble a while back
#newplayer-chat-w1🍀w2⏳ message

[bold quiver]

ohh

[little pagoda]

Well to be fair I've been getting a bubble a day or so, but I'm going through useless bubbles right now. One needs PVC pipes, the other needs cords, the other needs squishy souls (that I could maybe get a handful)

[dreamy spruce]

nah you can get it with 0% chance

[little pagoda]

But I'm just hoping i'm able to cranium cook soon, alchemy is slowing down

[dreamy spruce]

dont need 10 to collect

[bold quiver]

true it could actuay ne 0,05!

[dreamy spruce]

got evergreen with 0% lol

[bold quiver]

higher odds than sailing artifacts (not even a joke

[lament jasper]

I just got my alchemy go brrr stamp so it shouldn't slow down for me (hopefully...)

[tacit tulip]

I have yet to have a exp left/right in the last two hours

[little pagoda]

That one gets hard to level pretty fast but it's a nice 50% boost with lab bonus

[dreamy spruce]

rip

[lament jasper]

it's sitting at 50% base for now i'll proably try to level it up later

Good 100% so thats greaaat

[little pagoda]

Yeah that's pretty good

[sharp igloo]

When I check my afk money gain on my bubo, its higher when I equip my staff/opal rings/magma shoes, but if im playing active, would I actually get more money wearing gooey shoes/rings and using stingers as long as I still 1 shot them? Or do they drop less money when you have less damage, even when youre still at the same multikill tier?

[sharp igloo]

Ah yeah, forgot about that, thanks.

[tacit tulip]

stinger will probably get you more cause you kill more with aura

but would stick with the opals

first diagonal lets go

[dreamy spruce]

Grats!

[tacit tulip]

game heard me moaning

current board

6 left/right
3 diagonal

left to do

[lament jasper]

No players on board ?

[tacit tulip]

he's making my cogs

will be going back in once done

[lament jasper]

R u making red ones as well ?

[tacit tulip]

nah just going all in on purples

[lament jasper]

Wait u don't use ur others chars ? i don't get it

[dreamy spruce]

hes cog clicking

[lament jasper]

Whats cog clicking

[dreamy spruce]

which means his squire is on purple so he can click it every ~second

[lament jasper]

damn

Not same speed here

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah takes a bunch of cons speed I assume

[outer plank]

so what do i do with my many extra recipe unlocks in the tasks window?

[tacit tulip]

for now: nothing

[outer plank]

wish we could unlock the gems again, thatd be neat and a good way to encourage daily tasks

[lament jasper]

Nice, thanks for vid

[calm knoll]

Level 400 hundo but still dont have all slots 😮 ?

[tacit tulip]

yeah, I refuse to buy the flaggy rates lol

[bold quiver]

its not about buying flag rates

[dreamy spruce]

Whats your squires buildrate?

[tacit tulip]

you can see it on the right

[dapper prism]

aim directional flag rate onto flags?

[bold quiver]

if u dont setup your board to specificaly unlock flag slots it will take ages

[dreamy spruce]

oh right, mb

[calm knoll]

Yeah but just tweeking a bit and sacing exp should get you the slots somewhat fast (dont get me wrong I remember how big of a pain they were but with such high levels it should not be much of an issue)

[dreamy spruce]

2.b bil damn

[bold quiver]

So u should do a one side setup with speed to flags on whole area, that way u can finish those final 12 cogs with high requirement in a week
without buying flag from shop, i didnt

[tacit tulip]

I had a lot of trouble getting "speed to flags" working correctly. I had 100% pointing to one flag, and 600% to another, but found they were going up at the same rate, so I don't vother anymore

they were both going faster than the 0% ones obv

[pure spindle]

Should i always have a gmush pusher or is there a point where its negligable?

[dapper prism]

Mhm speed to flag should work fine 🤷

i just know some people uise flaggy rate and speed to flags wrong

[bold quiver]

the higher your GMUSH score the less efficient it gets

[dapper prism]

Just camp SB there most of the time and get to a bunch of bil, probably 10b+

[dreamy spruce]

Wait flaggy rates boosts need to be on the flag and not squires / cogs?

[pure spindle]

Sounds good

[bold quiver]

So its better to do something else with your SB if u have to rather than staying at gmush

[dapper prism]

Flaggy rate on char, speed to flags on flags.

[lament jasper]

Nah some are flaggy rate boosts and other flag speed boost

[dreamy spruce]

ah okay

[lament jasper]

these ones are on flag

[pure spindle]

Honestly just waiting for w6 looking for some things to build

[calm knoll]

Also slight suggestion that will help out later on is focusing two chars except just one (both Sq) this is the "go to" setup nowadays (unless something changed mid W5 and you get rid of exogia when you have good enough cogs but I cant be assed to play cookie clicker with that)

[pure spindle]

Focus has been dmg and cash

[dapper prism]

how much gmush are u on atm?

[bold quiver]

The ideal concept that i follow is : Think gmush as somewhere to rest your SB like lab if u have nothing else to do with himkkkkkkkk

[pure spindle]

Somewhere around 1b not too big

[dapper prism]

I still just prefer the the center version like this xD
https://i.imgur.com/gSp1BhN.png

[bold quiver]

its worse

[calm knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/blasphemous-that-is-blasphemous-stephen-a-smith-gif-4816522

[dapper prism]

How? unless you have some in the corner that afffect others BR it's essentially the same

[calm knoll]

Im just fucking around as most of the sweats use the other version

I remember that there is a reason why corners are the go to but its very minor gains probs some shit with diagonal interactions

[bold quiver]

because u are losing 2 directional boosting 2 of them instead of 1, twice

but u just have to move yours 1 above to fix it

the position to the side doesnt matter

only Y axys is wrong

at least from what i've seen didnt give much thought to it

[calm knoll]

cba to check but this funny man said some things that probably make sense so listen to him

[zealous niche]

But the vertical boosters can be above or below without any change?

[dapper prism]

huh, it's the same thing if i moved these 1 up, only difference would be having the vertical linears on the bottom instead of the top which is esnnetially the same.

[bold quiver]

i think u are missing this then

u have a line directional instead of this

thats what i seen, so its just a wrong cog placed kkkkkkk

[calm knoll]

I trusted you funny man

[zealous niche]

Yeah, one of the ones below

[dapper prism]

Yeh limited by cogs that i have that are good

[bold quiver]

but yeah, as long as u respect the edge position to allow the OMNI cogs, its the same

[outer plank]

funny man braverelease has some arcane knowledge, follow the strange advice

[bold quiver]

na its cool, his setup is correct, only that wrong cog made me thing it was wrong kkkkkkkk so i double checked

[dapper prism]

cant place a cog if i dont own the cog

[bold quiver]

u cant can u!

[dapper prism]

I can't!

[calm knoll]

Have you considered not being poor and buying the cog

[bold quiver]

i prefer the side version just to make it visualy better to place exp cogs later

[dapper prism]

If u do the center one then it's easier to place the corner adjacent ones
https://i.imgur.com/ztqrKHr.png

[bold quiver]

i have no idea what those yellow cogs are, i only place player construct exp there

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/m0V7g2q.png

Bad roll

but still BR on the surrounding stuff

[bold quiver]

oh build rate

[bold quiver]

if its not surrounding a squire its pointless

i only play with purple! dont click any other cog

[dapper prism]

Br doesnt affect cog ones? 👀

[dapper prism]

Show that XP overlay

[bold quiver]

it does but it doesnt matter

[opaque sun]

cog has too small build rate to matter

[bold quiver]

it only matter early -mid game

[random saddle]

How to get the big cok

[dapper prism]

It's not like i focus the adjay cogs, i still focus XP

[bold quiver]

they are very very strong to boost your build rate when they hit another decent cog

[dapper prism]

but a tiny amount of BR still adds up 😄

[opaque sun]

8% more of something that is contributing 0.001% is like whatever

[bold quiver]

it doesnt

[tacit tulip]

blue pill

[random saddle]

A quest?

[bold quiver]

its like adding a cup of water to the ocean! insignificant in the eyes of poseidon

[random saddle]

Matrix?

[bold quiver]

all my directionals are 63-65% ! missing only 2(iirc) that are at 58%

[opaque sun]

If buffing a cog’s build rate matters, it means your squire is shitty

[dapper prism]

Max Squire level?

[bold quiver]

552-541

last time i cog clicked i was lvl 390-400 i think

i would like to know the exp difference on cogs between that and 550 but havent foud that info anywhere

[zealous niche]

Gem shop cogs

[random saddle]

Im like only 165k br those gem cogs can boost alot?

[lament jasper]

just genetics...

[opaque sun]

the smaller cog is the real big one

[zealous niche]

Squire level gives you the most BR

[opaque sun]

The big cog is just a freebie that comes with the small cogs

[zealous niche]

gem shop cogs help with leveling your squire

[random saddle]

Squire lvl and put in skilling build?

[zealous niche]

The white cogs are the real prize and one of those comes with each gem shop purchase

[zealous niche]

Squire construction level I should clarify*

[opaque sun]

99% of Build rate comes from “carpenter level” * “construction level”

[zealous niche]

So, the goal is to focus exp on everything

[random saddle]

I see

So bubble > all

[zealous niche]

Dump cogs because they have worse exp than the one you just rolled

Cover your squire heads with exp granting buffs

[random saddle]

Suqire should be the highest cons lvl?

[opaque sun]

Due to talent yes. Squire

[zealous niche]

Their talent levels combined with bubble means they give the best BR contributions

And if you stack more players in, you get less exp bonuses

[opaque sun]

Non-squires should stay in cog making slots as they are just taking precious exp cog space if on board

[random saddle]

I see cool ty

[random saddle]

Whats the other char in there?

[zinc torrent]

What is in the portal after moles?

[random saddle]

Vman?

[random saddle]

Green wurm

Smol

[zinc torrent]

What they for

[random saddle]

Nothing

Just need to unlock wurm

[zinc torrent]

What wurm for

[random saddle]

Uhm do vman need higher lvl than dk? I dont see any talent mention dk need to be highest

[plush spear]

Golden hampter, keys and much more

[sharp igloo]

They drop the mats for the katana thing and one of the bubbles

[zinc torrent]

Is unlocking wurm useless?

[dapper prism]

Here, changed it for you x3
https://i.imgur.com/BxLbTlU.png

[dapper prism]

Why would it be useless? someone literally just told you what its for.

[sharp igloo]

No, theyre the best mob for money/exp/CC

[zinc torrent]

I cant use any of those things yet

[dapper prism]

Yes you could.. gold hampters has no requirement?

[random saddle]

Still go farm just push it to wurm

[dapper prism]

It's also highest xp and money

[zinc torrent]

I dont want to spend days to get wurms for some hampsters

[random saddle]

Wait btr than wurm?

[dapper prism]

Thought you're talking about wurms last zone?

[zinc torrent]

Yes

[random saddle]

No hes at after mole

[sharp igloo]

Were talking about 2 different wurms here lol. The small wurms are for katana mats, the big wurms are good for money/xp

[dapper prism]

Either way, monkey asked about "wurms" and the reply is specifically for wurms.

2nd last map is crawlers.

Dont call them wurms

[random saddle]

I see

Lul sry my bad i call it smol green wurm

[zinc torrent]

What do you even need coins for?

[dapper prism]

stamps

[dreamy spruce]

stamps

[random saddle]

Stamps is hard

[sharp igloo]

Stamps and leveling god bonuses

[dreamy spruce]

this is pretty cheap for stamps

[zinc torrent]

Too hard, I do it later

[dreamy spruce]

thats what you need wurms for..

[unborn bluff]

Is there a way to swap a blood berserker to a DK?

[sharp igloo]

Yeah gemshop class swap

[random saddle]

Uhm do vman staying higher lvl cons than dk does anything?

[dreamy spruce]

dont bother trying

[random saddle]

Oh

[dapper prism]

Efficiency does nothing for con

Doesn't even exist for con

[random saddle]

Hmm so my build drop from 200k to 70k i just cont with it?

[sharp igloo]

What about worship? I dont think my vman could ever catch up to my ES

[dreamy spruce]

It has an affect, though minimal

[dapper prism]

I believe it does, and just stop using ES talent, that talent shouldnt even exist

Use IE to check lowest xp/charge and highest, do highest on vman and lowest on es

[dreamy spruce]

you can use it after you get 1000 skill mastery right?

[sharp igloo]

Wait why? He gets so many more souls than all my other guys

[dapper prism]

Using that talent is even worse now, since you NEED to level your vman worship as much as you can.

[unborn bluff]

The sub class swap token I have doesn't do anything when I try and use it on my BB

[dreamy spruce]

You want levels on other characters for skill mastery / best skull, and on vman you want them more because of his talent that increases soul and critter gain

[random saddle]

Hw many % more soul if vman highest?

[dreamy spruce]

need elite class swap token

[dapper prism]

because bb isn't a sub class anymore.

[sharp igloo]

All my guys have around 65 worship, but my ES has like 115. No way my VMan is gonna pass him lol

[dapper prism]

No clue, but either way you want/need to max your vman XP on worship for the vman talent

[unborn bluff]

Is elite class swap token available allthe time?

[dreamy spruce]

also use the +xp talent on vman

[dapper prism]

pretty easy if/when you candy some skill levels

[random saddle]

Oh candy work with anvil and worh?

[sharp igloo]

Do I need it higher on my vman as long as he has the best skull?

[random saddle]

Also which skill to candy vman?

I think ima gonna waste some candy

They are sitting collwcting dust

[plush spear]

Alch i think not

[dapper prism]

Vman talent that scales souls and critters based on combined level. It's not even just about highest level, it's just about having vman ALWAYS maximize it's XP rate, to then maximize your soul/critter gain

[random saddle]

Huh but alch doesnt benefit higher lvl?

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/SXXllAc.png

[sharp igloo]

Ah okay I see.

[opaque sun]

alch lvl doesnt matter much

[dapper prism]

but even then i like to keep my vman #1 anyways

[sharp igloo]

Dont you get way less souls when you worship on all your guys though?

[plush spear]

But bigger skulls, bigger charge, no?

[sharp igloo]

Yeah, Im talking if all of them already have the best skull

[opaque sun]

Its good to worship exp on non vman for the mastery, but after around 100 they are just charge batteries

[sharp igloo]

So you do use the ES talent after your other guys are at 100?

[random saddle]

For worship forest soul besr xp?

[opaque sun]

You will always level vman’s worship, but else yeah siphon off others

[dapper prism]

Could for max souls yeh, not sure how big/small the difference is. But main thing is to do your vman by itself first, dont siphon it. And check IE for most XP per charge

[opaque sun]

Depends on your highest TD wave for exp ratio

[dapper prism]

on IE under worship Totems:
https://i.imgur.com/GjyOijt.png

It shows XP per charge

E.g. I would currently want to use VMAN for Acorn

[opaque sun]

Gublin forest will usually be the worst exp in most cases

[sharp igloo]

Is there a guide for td4 wave 121?

[random saddle]

Lul haiz i dont have access to IE

[dapper prism]

Also for me im focusing on all 100+ first, (family skill rift)
https://i.imgur.com/0IEgZdf.png

[random saddle]

Why 3rd char % so low per day

Oh nvm its full

Overflow

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[sharp igloo]

Thanks

[dapper prism]

or use the spreadsheet guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSCepYAs6sNDP4iq6MJNAG1pvFXzfC_3IQ7ttt5vfEEKAgQhIk4cQqnLRyeH6UyqDSuP4R-6WQeDmmP/pubhtml#

[dreamy spruce]

how high do you reckon I could get goblin td when I have wave 80 frost td? or are they all about equally as hard after a certain point?

[dapper prism]

More about your poison level

[faint jacinth]

Any workaround the coconut drops for the treasure hunt 4? Think my drop rate is too big for that to work :/

[dreamy spruce]

12 rn

got wave 80 on w1-w3 tds, havent done w4 yet

[dapper prism]

once poison is in it's 30's you hit gublin 130 (if you get gublin 120 u get 130)

Also for gublin, use the 130 pic/guide, its easier than the 121 pic

[dreamy spruce]

alright, thanks. Will be a while then though

[opaque sun]

I think you are allowed to pick it up for the coconut thing despite what the video says

[faint jacinth]

nah, in the video it says no drop or pickup

[opaque sun]

he says it, but i think you still can

[sick sentinel]

Video says that but others have done completed it like topbird said

I believe others said they needed to try it a couple times for it to work

[faint jacinth]

think last coco should drop with the last mob to work maybe

[sharp igloo]

Would I be able to unlock any new prayers with these towers?

[nimble yarrow]

is 8.4 DR on my DK good enough to farm statues

[dapper prism]

your poison is 41, you should have everything way higher

[frail mauve]

It worked for me, but that was with cookie

[dapper prism]

I got all these with around poison 34ish from what i recall*:
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

Except OJ, thta was last night fully afk and poison 48 xD

[dapper prism]

More variables than that, like crystal rate, choco chip.

Since most statues come from crystal kills

[sharp igloo]

I havent done any td in a long time lol

[dapper prism]

Crap takes so long, at elast you can spam spawn stuff easily to wave 80ish or even wave 100

Just make sure you have all lord of the rings movies including hobbit and harry potter movies ready, so you have something to watch while TD does it's thing

[sharp igloo]

How long does it take lol?

Geez lol, thats probably why I stopped doing it lmao

[dapper prism]

It's not to bad, but like w120 could easily take an hour or so, not sure. Wasn't very present when i did mine.

Like, just that wave itself.

[sharp igloo]

You dont have to use active kicks?

[dapper prism]

Nawh, kraken does the job

[sharp igloo]

Cool

[dapper prism]

once all the previous waves die and it's only the bosses u can afk

[dreamy spruce]

Last td for me took over 1h easily

That was to wave 80 only

[dapper prism]

I like placing like 4-5 boulders right at the start, upgrade to lvl 5, spam that spawn button a bit

and then do the actual build later on

(also depends on which TD)

[dapper prism]

OJ?

[sharp igloo]

Thats a good idea.

[dapper prism]

I'm just waiting till my poison is 51+ before i touch TD again

For atom buff

[lyric sequoia]

tfw you have lvl 57 poison and 58 or 59 kraken and 120 frosty still kicks your ass

[dreamy spruce]

Frosty, havent gotten to OJ td yet. Did troll my positioning (1 of my poison towers didnt hit the spot the bosses were getting cc'ed at)

[dapper prism]

Thats also rough

[dreamy spruce]

also had low poison towers so boss waves just took 10-20 minutes

[dapper prism]

damn how damn high does stuff need to be for 130 frost prayer?

[lyric sequoia]

120 is the prayer

[dapper prism]

ohhh 😮

What lvl for 120 prayer? xD

[lyric sequoia]

It should be doable long before my tower levels, I've just never took the time to figure out what I'm missing

[dapper prism]

It's the last prayer i need (that's of any value)

[lyric sequoia]

Doing the setup in the spreadsheet but the 110-119 waves end up overwhelming my krakens

[dapper prism]

Guess ill just wait it out few more days, lvl 48.5 poison

[dreamy spruce]

Maybe root at better timing?

[lyric sequoia]

Was rooting as the conga line gets out of frozone range

[dreamy spruce]

Or higher talent lvl

[dapper prism]

ffs

200 keys left for kattle

happy to nearly be done

then realizing an alt had another 2.5k :/

[dreamy spruce]

Just don't do em if you don't want to

[dapper prism]

But... i put all my dr stuff on bubo

https://i.imgur.com/FsWuYLU.png

dont want to move it back and forth again

[dreamy spruce]

Aren't keys account wide?

[dapper prism]

yes

i said my DR stuff

[dreamy spruce]

Just do boss on bubo

[dapper prism]

I am

My thing was i was happy i was nearly done, then i could move everything back to dk and not worry about keys/boss for another week

[dreamy spruce]

Ah

[dapper prism]

Well, 40 more boss kills to get that cape (although prefer more pendants)

[dreamy spruce]

Good luck

[dapper prism]

Basically you're forced to do boss on alts due to the cape quest for trophy

[raven yoke]

what's the difference between each?

[dreamy spruce]

Should be the same

[sick sentinel]

One is from omni proc and one is from the gaming bubble

[dreamy spruce]

Or gaming talent if on dk

[sick sentinel]

176 hr tho damn

Could be

[tacit tulip]

yeah lava just worded them differently

they do the same

well, that was a fun dungeon run

well, we were hoping for it

time for vman fishing levels

[dreamy spruce]

What if it isn't though

[tacit tulip]

then 10/10 troll

[fast grail]

Thank god i've neglected fishing on vman and on all other chars

[tacit tulip]

you end up needing to do it for the cards anyways

but if it is new fish that'll ruin hard resources

[dreamy spruce]

Also what would they even be used for? Can't imagine the trophy taking 4 new fish

[tacit tulip]

we'll need the fish for the future

[dreamy spruce]

And it looks w5-y

[tacit tulip]

w6 bubbles, stamps (first island give stamps?), second fishing rod in w5?

[fast grail]

Ah yes, cannot wait until hard resources has 5 rows of cards

[dreamy spruce]

W5 doesn't have 2 tools yet?

[tacit tulip]

new vials maybe

Nope just the one

[dreamy spruce]

Damn that would make sense, stamp too

[tacit tulip]

there's actually not space for it in the w5 tab atm

but he can always just add more

[dreamy spruce]

Did he previously release resources before there were things they are used in?

[sharp igloo]

Yeah

[dreamy spruce]

Ah

[sharp igloo]

Starfire and lustre

[tacit tulip]

I don't think tropilog is even used on anything yet 😂

[dreamy spruce]

And wriggly balls or whatever octodar drop

[tacit tulip]

the balls are used in anvil iirc

flom drops have no use tho

[sharp igloo]

And some of the later anvil production things

[dreamy spruce]

Oh yeah didn't consider anvil points

[sharp igloo]

A lot of w4 mats came out before w4

Other than that though, the only one I can think of is dreadlo ore coming out before w5

[dreamy spruce]

Which ones? Lustre and Starfire?

[sharp igloo]

Lustre and starfire ore, and then all the w4 anvil production items

[dreamy spruce]

Ah

[tacit tulip]

were med fish out before w4?

Cause they're used pretty exclusively in w4+ stuff

[sharp igloo]

I dont think so, but I cant remember for certain

[dreamy spruce]

Well let's just hope they give good fishing xp

[tacit tulip]

really the important bit aint it

[sharp igloo]

Theres no such thing as good fishing xp lol

[tacit tulip]

I am absolutely terrified of purple hard fish card tho

[dreamy spruce]

Why is fishing so low xp bit then the tools need higher lvl

Void chopping axe is 30 but that's enough for a platinum rod :(

[tacit tulip]

it kinda turns around at the end

[sharp igloo]

I have no idea lol. I thought they needed lower levels though. Like dreadlo pick is 70, but rod is lower. I think catching might be the lowest idk

[tacit tulip]

Dreadlo fishing rod has the lowest level reqs

[buoyant valley]

why do i feel like this is still too low >.>

[dreamy spruce]

Oh okay

[tacit tulip]

Pick: 70
Net/Axe: 65
Fish: 60

[dreamy spruce]

Guess mining is always the highest though

[tacit tulip]

trap is 60 and skull is 70, too

[dreamy spruce]

Those are ez lvls

[sharp igloo]

Which is weird cause I feel like chopping is slightly easier to level than mining

[dreamy spruce]

"slightly"

[tacit tulip]

[dapper prism]

like.. more than 5x faster xD

[sharp igloo]

Okay yeah chopping is way easier to level than mining lol

[dapper prism]

my vman working on 100 fishing atm:
https://i.imgur.com/Qd9t6HG.png

Then Catching i guess

[dreamy spruce]

Wait fishing had lowest xp/ hour but then also needs highest per lvl?

[vernal gulch]

What’s a good ring for lvl 250

[dapper prism]

emp rings, basically always

from dungeon

[vernal gulch]

But dungeon broken 😦 so any other

🙁*

[dapper prism]

restart game, unless you cheated and got shadowbanned

[vernal gulch]

I’m on iOS they have been broken since pet update

[dapper prism]

Else idk what rings xD

oh wow, ios really rough, no way to link ios to steam/google?

[vernal gulch]

I can do it on Google but I don’t really have easy way to use a computer often

[bold quiver]

lol why would u change it kkkkkkkkk so much work

[opaque sun]

iOS is lava’s least favorite children, and he only updates it just due to obligation

[vernal gulch]

I sad I love the game but now I’m so far in I can’t even switch to android I’d still lose everything

[dreamy spruce]

You can use Google account on Android too

[bold quiver]

why dont u play on steam

[dreamy spruce]

If you can go to PC you should be able to go to android

[bold quiver]

u cant transfer IOS to android

[vernal gulch]

I can only use the browser on pc

[bold quiver]

why is that?

[dreamy spruce]

Oh really? Weird

[bold quiver]

most things u cant transfer IOS to android, 2 dif operational systems

unless im wrong lol

[vernal gulch]

Idk he hates IOS but people really wanted it to work once we have over 10m before the green numbers playing it on the browser was the fix

And you’re not Brave

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah I just assumed you can use same email log in for both

[opaque sun]

Too many people who had their dad killed by steam i suppose

[bold quiver]

Cant u play on steam? now its possible to play IOS on steam

[dreamy spruce]

But I guess it makes sense if idleon is linked to iOS account instead of email

[vernal gulch]

I’d have to see I don’t actually have a steam account… no computer 😅

[bold quiver]

haha yeah just create a random steam acc and link your IOS idleon there, gg

[vernal gulch]

I’m downloading the mobile version and if I can transfer it I can finally switch to the droid this game is the only reason I haven’t left 😂

[bold quiver]

yeah try it out.

[brazen cliff]

Woo, managed to get three trash eldritch knocked out today.

Going from 0.03 odds to 0.17 is, sadly, a noticeable improvement

[dreamy spruce]

6x as much is big

[sharp igloo]

0.17 odds feel like christmas lol

[serene forum]

How?

[brazen cliff]

Went back to previous islands that have higher base odds.

[rapid talon]

I'm stuck at rift 34 (kill all before they respawn) any hints?

[brazen cliff]

This one took nearly three weeks

[dreamy spruce]

More speed and more dmg

[sharp igloo]

Speed pots and damage is basically all you can do

Maybe talent reseting and raising your attack talents

[stuck pasture]

So is shadow ban actually a thing? I can’t join any dungeon parties or invite anyone else either.

[dreamy spruce]

You on iOS too?

[rapid talon]

I'm trying with dk first, there's another class that make it better?

[fast grail]

ES is pretty good, if you have the damage bb explosion works well

[dreamy spruce]

Sb would be easier since he's faster

Or es yeah

[sharp igloo]

My best class for that is ES, but my ES is significantly stronger than all my other guys, so idk if another class would be better or not if they had the same damage. With infinite damage, I think bubo would probably be the best.

[dreamy spruce]

Prob es ghost tbh

[vagrant mountain]

do you guys think farming clammies is better on DK or ES? I need pearlers but also kinda low on w4 statues

[sharp igloo]

Dont know tbh, I dont play active much

[haughty sedge]

i would go DK

[vagrant mountain]

i was leaning towards DK too for construction gains

not sure how many more pearlers you'd get on ES tho

[dreamy spruce]

You lose exp tho

[paper sail]

ES will get more Pearlers

Assuming you have decent damage

[vagrant mountain]

how would i lose exp?

[dreamy spruce]

Cons exp is buggy on active char, you get less of it

Just check on cog board how much it is

[stuck pasture]

Is it an iOS bug? Damn lol

[vagrant mountain]

but i also get more because i have warriors bubble for call me bob?

[dreamy spruce]

Not on active dk for some reason

[vagrant mountain]

weird

[dreamy spruce]

Yep

[placid mural]

Anyone have thoughts on the expedition teasers so far?

[fast grail]

Fishing EXP

[dreamy spruce]

Sounds like there'll be new fish

[placid mural]

That's what I was thinking 🙂

[pulsar cliff]

Hey guys - If you're using Zerg Rushogen, how the heck do you keep ahead of your anvil production speed? My archers are capping thread (Single print) in like 3h

I've got the second biggest bag (200 hampters just takes time 😦 )

[dreamy spruce]

Print something slower

[pulsar cliff]

Aye.

Thanks lol.

[vagrant mountain]

i only print thread on chars with big bags 😆

[placid mural]

Now we just need a way for cooking exp to not be like shoving you heard up Satan's colon and waiting for dinner

[modern plaza]

ohhh bags increase your anvil storage???

[placid mural]

Your head*

[vagrant mountain]

material bags yeah

[modern plaza]

i was wondering where that multiplier was coming from lol...

i was like how are people going pure speed....

xD

[vernal gulch]

Random rift tip the valentine chocolates spawn pink slimes those count for any kill count so if you got like 2k left like me you can cheese em

[paper sail]

Each point in Anvil capacity is 5%- 20 mere points for +100% capacity

[pulsar cliff]

Ah, that's a cheap enough investment.

[wise root]

hey lads sorry for asking a w4 question here. But what is the timing for the shield in pet battles

[gaunt shale]

but speed

[paper sail]

For sure. I have 1400 anvil points, can spare 20 for QoL

[pulsar cliff]

^

[pulsar cliff]

As weird as it sounds, trial and error? Hopefully someone can give you a more exact answer but it really comes down to practice and feel.

[vagrant mountain]

shield needs to be covering the pet when it gets hit

[pulsar cliff]

Oh. That was the question. Thought you meant when to click the button lol

[wise root]

ahhh thanks doot enjoyer

[gaunt shale]

or I could set alarms in intervals where my anvil is full

[wise root]

cheers boys

[vagrant mountain]

np, pet battles are way easier once you know how to block

[paper sail]

You do you, boo

[wise root]

ive done the arena 200 just polishing off those arena ones

[vernal gulch]

I get to wave 35 stuck there

[vagrant mountain]

i think you mean the spice battles but yeah once you unlock 6th slot, you can push all the way to last spice

[dapper prism]

once u unlock snelbie, arena gets ezpz

[pulsar cliff]

Holy fuck I'm an idiot. I haven't bought anvil points since they were capped at snelbie shells lol

[proud pumice]

what cards do you use for placing traps after trapping rift mastery? i'm having a hard time finding 8 cards lol

[vagrant mountain]

agility cards lol

[proud pumice]

i think drop rate doesnt apply to skilling so i'm out of ideas

lol fair enough

[sick sentinel]

I do ctroll, efaunt, agility

[dapper prism]

basically something like this, xp is kinda irrelevnt
https://i.imgur.com/7I9OOJj.png

[sick sentinel]

I collect on drop rwte/card drop rwte tho

dunno how much it helps

[proud pumice]

ty, i'll do like this

card drop rate should help

[opaque sun]

drop rate helps with skill cards and other rare drops from skill nodes

[sharp igloo]

Are poop and djinn cards worth using during CC or even money farming?

[sick sentinel]

they are the best

more crystals, more money, more cc time

[vagrant mountain]

more exp

[opaque sun]

more like all other cards are fluff

[sharp igloo]

So use those ones in 1st and last slot?

[sick sentinel]

if you have doubler chips def use on crystals

[opaque sun]

crystals adds more kills, which is more money and exp

[sharp igloo]

Okay. I had slush and baba yaga in those slots, but ill switch em

[opaque sun]

its better to spawn another crystal than adding money % that adds to a already big pool of money %

[sharp igloo]

Gotchya, makes sense

Should I use stingers or a staff for money farming?

[sick sentinel]

stingers for bubo all the time

aura triggers on proximity to mobs so more aura is more kills and refresh time

[raven vale]

What're the recommended PO boxes for Vman aside from drop?

[proud pumice]

hope to fly some more trapping lvls the next few days

[opaque sun]

stinger may show lower char sheet damage, but more effective damage dealt due to more uses of aura

On a bubo, staff is just a stat stick for skilling samples

[dapper prism]

aura ticks faster = faster kills

[sharp igloo]

I see. I wasnt sure how much the afk money gains mattered when you are playing active

[tight ridge]

utility on second po box tab gives multikill per tier

[vagrant mountain]

you want at least 210 aura though for 7 aura

[final basalt]

Does anyone ever use Vitalic for Divinity or do I stick with every Mantra until everyone is level 40?

[opaque sun]

Money produced from afk is like 0.01% of all money made

[sick sentinel]

afk gains screen doesnt really have an impact on active play

[raven vale]

I've maxed Drop box, Utility now, Trapping.
Still have 800 to go

[dapper prism]

probably a few extra 0's after the dot 😄

[vagrant mountain]

[sharp igloo]

I usually just play mobile lol, I started activing recently and yeah its crazy how much of a difference it makes

[tight ridge]

damage or all skilling boxes depending on what youre going for, if u have more boxes to spare the lab box gives some luck too

[sick sentinel]

yup, active play is nutts

[muted sandal]

any suggestions to improve this? just aiming for spice for card doubler. Only up to Nutto/Snelbie/Bunny + haven't pushed any W4 pets

[opaque sun]

If afk, bubo isnt anything special with money making

[dapper prism]

As a great example, lvl 300 to 350 on Bubo took 4h 8mins active. Offline* the XP rate would have been 35 days

4h is a lot nicer than 35 days xD

[opaque sun]

Use self buffing pets for forage power

[sharp igloo]

Ive had him activing for like 3 hours, and im pretty sure when I go check on him, he'll have made more money than ive ever had lol

[opaque sun]

The forage that is buffed by others like whales doesnt count towards fight power

[tight ridge]

cranium cooking is just too addicting, it makes playing on any other class feel like a waste

[sharp igloo]

Damn thats crazy. No wonder all my guys are stuck around 380-410

[muted sandal]

I'm just focussing the shores spice, not caring about the others atm

[muted sandal]

I need to get 100 in 4 days, but part of that is sleep so I'm gonna be getting less than 1/hr for that time

[dapper prism]

finally done with my kruk keys on bubo, realized im getting a few obols xD
https://i.imgur.com/CRibZyS.png

[muted sandal]

don't have alchemic or converter so I'm kinda having to wing it

[opaque sun]

You will want to use converter (or at lease alchemic) to multiply the effective yield

[dapper prism]

Do i.. just delete these obols now?

[vagrant mountain]

just use flashy/fleeter instead of converter

[sick sentinel]

i've been trashing extra boss obols after i filled ones for every char and enough for family page

[muted sandal]

ok, looks like my row set up is as good as I can get it for now then, and once I'm done with buying this chip I can just dupe it for the rows above/below and drop the whales

[opaque sun]

you dont need targetter if you have borger

[muted sandal]

targetr's gonna do more than a forager tho

[vagrant mountain]

just use flashy + borger + forager + miasma every row

[dapper prism]

For BM trap placing, kruk obol or purple trap?
https://i.imgur.com/9xJtTNP.png

[muted sandal]

I'm specifically trying to bolster that 1 row as much as physically possible tho

[opaque sun]

you want to focus buff on a single self buffing pet. borger and targetters are both self buffing pets and having two of them is kind of pointless

[sick sentinel]

afk gains arent for trapping so im sticking with trap obol

[dapper prism]

Mind sharing ur obol overview?

[muted sandal]

if I swap to that now I lose a load of foraging speed on the only row I care about, so I'll swap to that once I've finished up this 100 spice

[sick sentinel]

my obols arent finished cause im lazy but here

dont mind my filler obols

[dapper prism]

MK set?

[opaque sun]

Speed has diminishing effect so 4m going to 2m isnt that much a difference in the end than you might think

[sick sentinel]

never made an agility one

prob wont

[dapper prism]

I assume the dr sets are DK + ES ?

[sick sentinel]

2 dr for the 2 pages

i dont like swapping em

[sharp igloo]

Is slush obal better than hex (whatever skill)?

[sick sentinel]

i believe so

never compared

have a shit ton of em tho

[opaque sun]

for most skills, slush should be better as “all skill” efficiency is a separate multiplier than specific skill efficiency

[dapper prism]

base skill like catch is 2%, slush base is 3%

[lament jasper]

Im confused my world 3-4-5 deathnotes counts got all multiplied by at least x3, any idea why?

[sick sentinel]

harder to get hex skilling obols too

[sharp igloo]

Yeah but it also adds catching power, so i wasnt sure how that effected it

[muted sandal]

you mean with how each extra spice takes longer to get? I'm trying to go over the speed I'd need for 1/hr specifically because I have ~96 hours to get 100 spices, only got 8 rn and I'm gonna be asleep for 8 hours/day so I need to make up for the fact that those hours are gonna be suffering from diminishing returns

[dapper prism]

ah true

[opaque sun]

doing colo4 to farm eggs to hatch a better borger may help in that case

[muted sandal]

spent all my tickets forcing from sheepie to bunny today

[vestal yew]

#1073780959087964210

[opaque sun]

snake to fleeter, and fill the above snake with whale may or may not help

[muted sandal]

wanted eggshell so I can try for arena 125, and then thought Bunny would be better than the fleeter I had

[muted sandal]

oh that's a good point, didn't think about that as a possibility

[muted sandal]

yup, that got it up to 5.08M, huge ty

[bold quiver]

new artifact when

[pulsar cliff]

Woop woop, went from 53 to 56 for void speed run.

[sick sentinel]

yolo or be smart?

[dapper prism]

yolo

[bold quiver]

odds are in your favor

[sick sentinel]

failed but no reset

[bold quiver]

35,6 vs 65 x 19,7

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050

[opaque sun]

yolo is actually the smart in the long run

encouragement is basically being scammed of false sense of security

[sick sentinel]

yeah its just going from 14-15 i dont really want to restart it

[bold quiver]

specialy when u are that lucky guy losing all tier upgrades

[pulsar cliff]

I just know if I follow that, I'm going to become a study in statistical anomolies.

[dapper prism]

with failsafe atom now, its surely better to just yolo

[bold quiver]

hitting that 0,5% chance of reseting 14 to 15 10 times is not a bad odd

[opaque sun]

encouragement is like paying for an insurance that only covers for 1% of the damage while it costs 10% each month

[sick sentinel]

i'll trust in yall, i was never good at statistics

or math in general

[opaque sun]

with atom, encouragement is even more of a scam

[bold quiver]

statistics is only real in a perfect universe where u run that event a million times

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

real world u always pray to rng lord hope that he blesses u

[opaque sun]

worst case, you can spend 100 encouragement and still reset

[bold quiver]

wow im surprised that i gained 10% bits just from dishes O.O thats wow

[wind umbra]

is there a soul that gives the best exp per charge? or is it all the same?

[bold quiver]

based on wave and TD

[sick sentinel]

depends on your round completed

[pulsar cliff]

Idleon efficiency is your friiiiiend.

[wind umbra]

what if both souls are at 130

[bold quiver]

If same wave is considered higher tier TD will always give u more experience

[wind umbra]

kk

ty

[sick sentinel]

if u have IE check the totem page like roggireck said

[bold quiver]

yeah but same wave doesnt have to check

[wind umbra]

oh damn i wasnt aware of that page

[sick sentinel]

well they know its there now

[bold quiver]

true, i only found out about checking there a few weeks ago

[bright current]

=/ got 59/60 for my rift score in 2nd last current rift

need more tornados

[pulsar cliff]

At least it means you're really close/

[bright current]

ide say its possible already with that

just RNG

[bright current]

what am i lookin at here?

[cosmic bramble]

Isn't the achievement 666? ;-;

[bright current]

777

and its when he trades u 777 gold

[cosmic bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/is-close-enough-acceptable-ill-take-it-thats-fine-close-enough-gif-15487731

[bright current]

not requests 777 of a material

[cosmic bramble]

oh gotcha xD

[crisp silo]

oh boy, just pulled another bean, time to wait another week

[bright current]

goncrats, what a find!

pets sure are my favourite system!

[crisp silo]

sure is!

[bright current]

i really hope when the next set come out they use a whole new red gem currency. I think thats a sound business tactic

[crisp silo]

sounds like a great plan!

[hardy bloom]

should i use gloves on ES or just staff?

[crisp silo]

staff i think

[bright current]

staff 100%

[crisp silo]

dont really see much about glove es

[bright current]

the only reason you use gloves on bubo is because bubo will only cast the aura while in melee range

[hardy bloom]

thank you sirs

[opaque sun]

all other classes besides bubo should use their class specific weapon

[zealous niche]

And bubo only off class while you’re active

[vestal yew]

so freaking close to unlocking al lthe bubbles in alchemy

[gaunt shale]

wait what weapon should my bubu be carrying for active ?

[opaque sun]

Melee weapon (stinger gloves)

[gaunt shale]

whats the reasoning behind it tho

[paper sail]

Aura only casts while in melee range of an enemy

[keen berry]

So I linked my ES to goharut and use the skill to link to 2nd god arctis and i afk for 48 hours, It doesn't seems giving me any divinity points. Do i have to actually upload my ES to the lab for this goharut to workout?

[paper sail]

Aura also deals damage multiple times in the same duration poison ticks once. This leads to faster resets of Raise Dead. Aura simply better than Poison once you can get Aura to like 6 or 7 width to cover enough of the map at once

[opaque sun]

goat needs physical presence in lab. Period

[paper sail]

Goharut is only activated when claiming Lab AFK gains. If you aren't physically in the lab, you get nothing from Goat.

[keen berry]

Darn it.....time to change deity then 😮‍💨

[paper sail]

Bear + Harriep is pretty standard for ES for sweet 6x prints while out farming

[gaunt shale]

I am feeling mighty stupid rn for farming past 3 half weeks active on my bubu with only poison and carrying staff, no aura

[opaque sun]

little min max but do note “all char” affecting minor links dont work when worn as 2nd god as game doesnt check 2nd god of those in afk

[keen berry]

I did this before, i just need more divinity points, was thinking i could do my deity combo.

[keen berry]

Minor link on 2nd god doesn't work on all char, only work on the char who has it?

[zealous niche]

Unless it specifies all char

[keen berry]

What aura we talking about here?

[gaunt shale]

https://i.imgur.com/LWQCZ20.png

[zealous niche]

The talent aura that the bubo has

[gaunt shale]

this one

[opaque sun]

So like hare worn via talent will only apply money bonus on ES himself, but will not buff money of others if that ES is afk

If you planning to do arctis + hare, its better to do hare + arctis to make the money bonus apply to other characters

[fast grail]

Hmm, is it possible to get golden hampter to 100%?

[zealous niche]

Probably not

[opaque sun]

On war yeah relatively easy

[zealous niche]

Likely an asymptotic progression

[opaque sun]

On other char its a bit difficult

[zealous niche]

Wait what

[sharp igloo]

I dont think it goes much past 30% base

[opaque sun]

Warriors got enough golden food buffs to make it past 100%

[zealous niche]

Can I get a SS of how many you need to make it 100% @opaque sun

[fast grail]

oh damn you right, forgot to level golden food talent

[granite grove]

theres also a orange bubble that boosts gold food iirc

[zealous niche]

That’s a lot..

[keen berry]

Damn how many golden hampstet is that??

[zealous niche]

115050

In the background you can see it

[granite grove]

further multiplied by warrior bonus and also warrior talent sooo

[keen berry]

But 101%....

[zealous niche]

If you whack that stack on a non-war how much does it give

[opaque sun]

Like around 60-70k it goes to 100% on mine

[fading cape]

there's also stamps for golden food bonus. Post office box.

[fast grail]

My golden stamp and bubble not quite high enough

[keen berry]

What are their level?

[opaque sun]

Other non war will also can get to 100%, but will require much more hampters

[fast grail]

bubble is 216, stamp is 100, could atom bubble i guess, otherwise gotta wait for discounts for stamp

[dapper prism]

Any input what stamp(s) i should focus on with the 95+90% discount?

• Multitool is way out of league.. idk how ill ever manage that one again as it requires 1b at a time xD
  https://i.imgur.com/ztEGBMb.png

[fast grail]

I dont have the golden food sigil gold yet either

[opaque sun]

Also note the golden food sigil and the artifact to buff sigils

The sigil and the artifact is a massive boost

[fast grail]

Golden food stamp, boost food stamp if you arent eaisly speed capping, the w5 stat stamps

and cooking stamps[

[keen berry]

Any way to boost sigil charge rate?

[crisp silo]

gem shop

[dapper prism]

gem shop, artifact, and a sigil

[half thistle]

Is there a reason not to always activate kitsune roxie and then just turn it off when harvesting plants? or I guess what I should ask is: does the reduced bit gain apply when the plant is grown or picked?

[dapper prism]

u can only toggle it when there are no plants around

[half thistle]

ah

[signal lava]

achievement too

[opaque sun]

When the speed is so fast like 10min cycles, you may want to turn it off as its not practical to harvest that often

[half thistle]

oh it says it right in the description and I missed it

[dreamy merlin]

Can time candy work on vman enhanced whale wallop for eggs

[opaque sun]

bm whale is just for active

[dapper prism]

No since it's an active only

[opaque sun]

Personally tested, real afk hours and candies both didnt affect egg incubation

And if next question is “is it worth to active bm just for eggs” is a “its not worth it unless you also want to class level it”

[sick orchid]

Whats best to farm w4 troll keys on?

[keen berry]

That's only available on the last mob on world 4 i think

[sick orchid]

Yeah, but on which build is best to farm them?

[zealous niche]

Whatever respawn class is fastest for you at the moment

Bubo, ES, DK, or SB

If there’s a tie, pick ES

[keen berry]

World 4 or 5?

[dapper prism]

Sorry was thinking w5 boss

[sick sentinel]

ES for troll keys for sure

[keen berry]

I just afk on there, i get 1 key for each hour. Drop rate is like 6.4.

[sick orchid]

Ahh okay, i was buolding sb, almost 170lvl atm 27m dmg

[sick sentinel]

sb afk is fine too

any afk fighters will be fairly similar

[keen berry]

What I'm struggling with is chizoar elite card, the key is limited.... can't be farmed...

[sick orchid]

But active es is the best?

Or only afk?

[fresh plank]

Wots best map for Cranium Cooking? Been doing cans

[sick sentinel]

active es would be fastest

[keen berry]

Dk or sb have boosted drop rate.

[sick sentinel]

maybe the dmg is a tad low

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[sick sentinel]

wormhole drop rate is better than sb for sure, usually better than dk but maybe thats later on with higher dmg

[dapper prism]

Es would still be a stronger boost than archers DR talent

[keen berry]

Is there anyway to get world 3 boss key other than daily? Waiting is sucks 😭

[opaque sun]

On wurms key, Dk better than ES, but for seeker keys, ES is way better as that map is like the worst map for DK

[sick sentinel]

colo 3 dk

[fresh plank]

Cans look more populated than wurms @_@

[lapis mesa]

aha! ive done it, maxed speed on every cauldron

[keen berry]

What's the max level???

[opaque sun]

Colo with DK

[lapis mesa]

170

[dapper prism]

slush drops keys

[vestal yew]

why wurms? flomb or cans have more for bubo cranium...

more enemies on that map

[keen berry]

Is this the one in pay2win tab??

[lapis mesa]

oh no, the actual brewing

[fast grail]

not w4 wurms, w5 socks

[keen berry]

Are the other 3 also the same max level?

[vestal yew]

I know w5 but it looks like there are more cans than citrines or wurms in w5

[lapis mesa]

the P2w tab maxes at these levels

[dapper prism]

Huh, wurms has 35 enemies, nothing has more than 35. second place would be beans with 34?

[lapis mesa]

yeah 170

[vestal yew]

oh okay I never counted them. Just been eye balling how many enemies there are

[keen berry]

I stopped upgrading the speed after level 130, I've unlocked all the bubbles, so i guess no point upgrading more speed.

[dapper prism]

Unless the table is outdated
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849473649832755231/1097026665118449785/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849473649832755231/1104314402850742303/image.png

[placid mural]

So with a high GT level, is it almost pointless to have "xp from monsters" capes/trophy/nametags?

[opaque sun]

Also wurms has nice placement of effectively only 2 platforms

[lapis mesa]

i mean, eventually well have more bubbles, but i getcha

[keen berry]

Sigil is the new struggle now hahahaha

[zealous niche]

Also tremor worms give best exp and money to go with CC

[dapper prism]

Mostly better stuff out there, but Active EXP cards are still important and help a ton since they are a multiplier

[sick sentinel]

yep, the active exp cards and starsigns are good tho

[dapper prism]

Plus keys 😄

[placid mural]

Maybe lava will someday release a premium item with active xp

[zealous niche]

Exp while active bonuses are multiplicative with other exp bonus types

So those cards are always good

[bold quiver]

has anyone grinded a few t7 plants already?

[keen berry]

Unless you play only a few minutes a day and afk the rest. #me

[dapper prism]

No, but im down to my last t6 (grass) hopefully soon

[bold quiver]

nice

[dapper prism]

Still waiting for a better nugget though
https://i.imgur.com/1vUCzX8.png

was 13k.. then rolled a 10k, then a 15k then 17k... i guess nice to have an increase but come on...

[bold quiver]

same, i need a higher one. Mine is not good enough for last bits

[dapper prism]

People on a 100% shovel sitting on a 50k nugget xD

[bold quiver]

cuz it doesnt rly matter

[amber dragon]

w5 mertis prior?

[dapper prism]

!merit5

[bold quiver]

shovel only increases your max range and pushes your minimum a little

[obtuse orbit]

IMPORTANT: have atom cost reduction when you're starting to produce atoms

1. loot capacity. sailing artifacts are main w5 progression
2. w5 skill xp. you'll be sitting on divinity for a while, and skill levels help so its good to get it started early
3. respawn. portals get huge in w5
4. boss armor. recommended to save 5 points in preparation for boss armor, that way you'll be able to unlock all the pieces without having to do additional tasks
5. tab4 talent points and star talent: you might be low on elite tab talent points and stats when you're new to w5 but there are other sources. you can prioritize these over boss armor if you're not confident in crafting later armor

[amber dragon]

thx

[opaque sun]

base is still good to raise, but need a good roll to make use of that base nugget (big nugget luck)

[dapper prism]

Technically pushes everything slightly, but yeh way to minimal for the high side to matter.
Either way, would be nice to just roll a 500k nugget

[bold quiver]

just siad that in case he didnt know kkkkkk

[lapis mesa]

it would be nice for like a week, then youd be begging for another one

[bold quiver]

ididnt for a longtime. thought increasing shovel would give me a higher nugget

[dapper prism]

Just waiting for the next Companions.. "All nuggets are additive until you hit your cap" /jk

Like.. Jk but not really, that would at least remove the tedious RNG, make active shovel clicking actually worth it, and overall balance out some crap since 99% of W5 skills is just pure rng

[bold quiver]

huge thats the fun part

imagine sailing without the rng. there would be no celebration when getting new artifacts =/

just a tedious that u would get it once u reached ther equirement

[dapper prism]

It's fine to have some stuff RNG based, but everything is just meh. Plus nugget rng seems way worse/slower than artifacts*

[bold quiver]

thats why snail exist now

people ar ejust moonshooting on gaming with superbits and snail

[dapper prism]

yeh snail failsafe is nice

[coral goblet]

I’ll take a pet that gives sailing to quick access

[bold quiver]

there is no reason to get a good nugget as of now

in case most people didnt notice yet ','

lava fixed the nugget problem

Before snail/superbits people would just get stuck on gaming cuz of low nugget. After release of both features u can just progress day by day and clear gaming very very fast with whtaever nugget u keep pulling XD

but yeah not many people pay attention to that

[sick sentinel]

doesnt stop me from wanting a sweet juicy nug

[bold quiver]

400k nugget when

[opaque sun]

i dont really understand the logic of only keeping one nugget

[bold quiver]

maybewe get a nugget fusion in the future 😮

where u can store a few nuggets and fuse with a chance for it tobe destroyed

I have a question guys. Why does my DK has the same total buildrate as my barbarian when im checking construction? o.o

ive noticed this since i was at w3 but had forgotten about it

[opaque sun]

you mean the total, or the build rate of individual face clicked?

[bold quiver]

total

cuz i check on my barbarian its 310M, check DK 310M

[opaque sun]

total should be same as long you active on a warrior

[bold quiver]

but isnt that wrong? cuz dk has redox talent

[opaque sun]

it only changes if you active on a warrior with construction obol

The dk talent works even when he is afk

That is why it’s theoretically best to active on bb with constuction obol for max possible speed and max possible exp on the afk DK

[bold quiver]

thought redox talent only worked for DK

[opaque sun]

it works on the DK, but it keeps working even if he is afk

[bold quiver]

i see

[opaque sun]

The talent is not an active talent

Construction obol: only active
Talent: works both afk and active
War bubble bonus : only if active in war
Construction exp penalty bug: applies on any active character

[dapper prism]

Yay got my last T6 😄
https://i.imgur.com/UdsqG32.png

[bold quiver]

niceee

[dapper prism]

Can finally go back to making bits xD

[bold quiver]

if i dont reset my snail next 2 upgrades i'll be tryig t7

[dapper prism]

Ill just wait for the next gaming unlock before t7's xD

[bold quiver]

i could save for it in a day or 2 i think, but i'll take the slow route and keep leveling the bits thing

[dapper prism]

maybe keep one bush or something in the corner

[twin token]

Ok so I'm on cloud seven of sailing would hard targeting the islands that boost my sailing speed for the two sailers on islands I have be a good idea to rush fury

[bold quiver]

yep no point doing it, empty progress

even with t7 and if iget my snail to 25 i still cant see myself farming to T value in 1 month or 2

[dapper prism]

Is this unlock T7 or t8?
https://i.imgur.com/xl1Ki65.png

[bold quiver]

t7

[bold quiver]

no idea, ive never farmed material to boost speed ever '.'

i just kept going to islands i wanted an artifact and if i got material to upgrade nice, if i got the artifact before i'd just move on

hence why my first boats that require that green thing werent leveled properly until i finished all islands lol

[dapper prism]

Sailing and stuff has too many variables that are hard to "guide on" like how many boats are you on, how many reach Fury in 2h, (or 2-4h) how cheap are your upgrades etc etc...

[bold quiver]

true best advice is watching some pirate movies and learning from the best '.'

[dapper prism]

Brave, whats your gaming cycle time with kitty on?

[muted bramble]

anyone got a second to help with gaming ? got like 1 or 2 quick question

If i got T5 plant should i wait and try for T6 ?

[dapper prism]

From your progress from what i know, no

I barely started the t6 grind at 3min cycles

[muted bramble]

or should i always try to get T5 everytime OR should i aim towards just fast and quick whatever lvl they are

right now I'm waiting on the Tree to reach T5,

[dapper prism]

whats ur cycle at?

[muted bramble]

should i wait on the all bush to reach T5 and collect or doesnt matter ?

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/9C1g6Dh.png

[dapper prism]

Yeh, dont bother with T6

[muted bramble]

I understood that part

[dapper prism]

You can still finish of your t5's if you want

[muted bramble]

but is it worth

[dapper prism]

Depends if you have any other goals you need bits for right now? everything is technically worth it

[muted bramble]

im to dumb to know what a good goal is ...

[dapper prism]

Show superbit page

[dapper prism]

How many green bits was snail?

[muted bramble]

this one ?

[brittle eagle]

for goharut, does being on the altar give lab xp too?

[dapper prism]

Yeh so your next 2 main goals are (for bit multi):

• Get Pong 375k
• Get Snail 611 B (ik pricey)
• Get 5Q Superbit unlock (it will be to the right side of "Noobie Gains")

Nearly all your bit multiplier will come from the RNG-Snail.

Getting to snail will require a bunch of your other mulitipliers, like eldritch artifact, total achievement for the first unlock, food and all that kinda stuff. (plus preferably a 5-digit nugget)

[muted bramble]

i see, so im going back to just trying to max the basic upgrades

[dapper prism]

Yeh, since the money you make right now won't "do as much"
Also realized you dont have Pong Controller, get that asap as it's an "easy" close to 2x multi

[muted bramble]

pong controller ?

[dapper prism]

Unlock before snail

bottom right corner

[muted bramble]

its 375k

still alot pricey

[dapper prism]

Yeh, so working on your multipliers, faster cycle speed and stuff like that is all you can slowly work towards

There's some dry times in gaming where there is no progress for a while, so all you can do is the baby steps

[muted bramble]

is it more "worth" to gamble on upgrading shovel or just doing the basic ?

[dapper prism]

Reducing cycle time and getting chem is amazing

[muted bramble]

no chem yet :/

[fast grail]

Chem is both a blessing and a curse, enjoy no chem while it lasts

[dapper prism]

Shovel upgrade itself is "minimal" to what it really does. It mainly increases the range, but your odds of getting a crappy nugget are still basically the same

Upgrading your value per plant and then balancing out the imports/cycle at a lower value is good

[muted bramble]

gonna try to max on cycle

[opaque sun]

if you are on goat god, no reason to sit on altar

[dapper prism]

@brittle eagle ^

[somber path]

For a second I thought you meant 375k pong score like how the hell?🤣

Either im really bad at pong or I'm missing some score multiplier somehow😅 wouldn't doubt both

[dapper prism]

pong is terrible, im at 7k, the freeze frame/lags are just a big rip

[somber path]

I got like 1.5k and called it good because I hate the mini games

[dapper prism]

I continued because i wanted a 2x multi in it, but guess im happy with my 1.85x ish xD

[dreamy merlin]

how do i remove a captain from my boat,i want to switch some

[placid mural]

Woooooof!

[muted bramble]

[opaque sun]

Return it to the dock, then click on the boat at the town

[dreamy merlin]

im a idiot... thanks tho

[fast grail]

Any tips for Vman nightmare kruk fight?

its kinda painful

[zealous niche]

You can run past to bap the moles, so bap the moles before they heal and then boop the snoot until the boss sneezes

More damage makes it faster

W5 boss is just a massive DPS check

[latent chasm]

@dreamy merlin if u have alot of ships u can go to the delete and press trash and it will return that captain to the dock

[silver comet]

1 shot it

[graceful bramble]

I found a guide for smithing that says speed > capacity > exp rate, is this true?

[latent chasm]

who said yes

[graceful bramble]

Oh fk, then i wasted a fk ton of points into exp rate

[pearl cedar]

Not as important anymore since you can reset but generally yes

[graceful bramble]

wdym i can reset?

[latent chasm]

w3 shop

[pearl cedar]

W3 shop I think

[willow drum]

put it all into speed

[latent chasm]

buddha what world are u lol cuz ive always heard Spd some exp rate to like 1k and capacity null

[willow drum]

xp and capacity can be increased in other places

[latent chasm]

yeah but xp you can get to 1k in i think only like 50

[graceful bramble]

OHHHHHHHH, THERE IS AN ITEM THAT LETS U RESET, WHAT A GODD SENT

TY GUYS

and lady?

[latent chasm]

@graceful bramble capacity is not worth unless ur spd is generating so much that youre full in 3-4 hrs but at that point just upgrade ur mat cap

[graceful bramble]

Isn;t there an automatic thingy that transfers your craft items into chest?

[latent chasm]

@graceful bramble itt only works on daily reset

[graceful bramble]

Oh

[latent chasm]

And its the arm from w3

[raven fog]

Guys what is the idea behind percentage target gain in alchemy like is it related to diminishing returns and how csn i utilize it

[pearl cedar]

Like 90% bonus?

[willow drum]

as much as you feel is achievable

[pearl cedar]

Basically most bubbles give 90% of their full bonus relatively early, every next half (aka the next 5%, then 2.5%, then 1.25%, etc) takes roughly double the current amount of bubble levels. So 90-95% is the general consensus on good enough

Relatively early being in the 500-1k range

[vagrant mountain]

grind time is forever

[willow drum]

yay... grind.. time...

[raven fog]

Yes

They say get a bubble to 85% for example

Than move to other one

[pearl cedar]

So most bubbles have theoretical max. I.e. larry has a max of 120% chance for 2x level so a good stopping point is 108% (90% of max). Max bonus can be found easily on wiki by just putting a high level in the calculator

[raven fog]

Do u mean actual max or the returns gets crazy

Wait so u mean hard max?

[pearl cedar]

You can't reach the max

Even if you had a million points into larrrry the game might show you have 120% chance, but really it is 119.99999% or whatever

[raven fog]

Huh why is it this way won’t it be much better to have a max and feel good u hit it