lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[bold quiver]

cuz my 17th bubble is 2,12. so +4

[plush spear]

Good to know

[bold quiver]

if 2nd bubble worked it would have been +8

[fallen torrent]

Pog again

[dreamy spruce]

btw are 2nd and 17th bubble additive to each other or multiplicative?

[bold quiver]

huge

[wanton obsidian]

Would be op

[plush spear]

I think it's multi 🤔

[bold quiver]

multi i guess

or one doesnt affect the other?

[dreamy spruce]

I just meant do I get 9x in 3rd bubble if I had 3x multiplier on both or would it be 6x (I know these numbers are impossible)

[fading cape]

17 doesn't effect 2.

ah. I see

[bold quiver]

yeah i believe 2nd doesnt work on 17th

otherwise i would have got 8 wisdom points instead of 4

[dreamy spruce]

yeah I know

but 3rd bubble should be affected by both

[fading cape]

I would assume they each impact it independently. So if bubble 3 is getting a bonus from both it's getting it independently from both. so additige

[bold quiver]

but even seein that i stil cant confirm it lol

[fading cape]

but you know... #lavamath

[dreamy spruce]

Alright, thanks

[fallen torrent]

thats what she said

[bold quiver]

she who

[wanton obsidian]

I think it's multiplactive griffy mentioned it in his bubble tier list

[fading cape]

"That"

• She

[plain nimbus]

Does the gem shop artifact item work to turn things into eldritch ?

[robust pendant]

how come my printer resources aren't purple even though lab + harriep is active?

[cobalt nimbus]

visual bug

[zinc torrent]

so. is a 65% cog better or worse than a column player exp cog for 26% only hitting one?

[plush spear]

What

[plush spear]

The column one doesn't have base exp stats?

[zinc torrent]

vs

[sick sentinel]

The top one is a multi so it is stronger

Keep the base exp cog on the board if you dont have better tho

[zinc torrent]

i have better. the poiting exp is a seperate multiplier i assume?

[sick sentinel]

Yeah the directional booster cogs multi the exp rate. Might be additive to eachother but very strong

[gray pagoda]

Y'all... Wtf if this? 🤣

[sick sentinel]

Lava is our fave egirl

[gray pagoda]

Fr

[zinc torrent]

cog clicker is nice

[hardy bloom]

i got it when i least expected it. wouldve been better if i got suggma recipe drop instead

anyways what chara nc to use for lava skull

[steady spruce]

so i just unlocked w5, do i pull everyone out of lab and start divinity with them?

the pin suggests yes - do i move all my shrines to w5 town too?

[sick sentinel]

Early on in sailing you get an artifact that allows for shrines to be active in all worlds no matter what so you dont need to move them

Especially if u need to do more lab later

[steady spruce]

yeh, i got that already - but i guess they will lose their levelups if i move them from w4 right now

[dreamy spruce]

you need to be in same place to lvl up with sailing artifact

[sick sentinel]

But yeah park most of your chars on div to get some gods

[steady spruce]

so move everyone over to div and leave shrines in w4, then they will just get levelled up more when i send everyone back to lab?

[dreamy spruce]

so you'll prob level more than you lose xp by moving

[dreamy igloo]

card layout for sampling copper anyone? im stuck at 29mil

[sick sentinel]

Yeah you need to be in the same world to level them, but its not worth to lose depending on their progress

[dreamy spruce]

depending on how far along they are

[sick sentinel]

Can still play a char out of div if u want to do stuff

[steady spruce]

in the long run, where is best to keep shrines?

[sick sentinel]

Rotate in and out depending

Right now w4

Cause of lab prints and such

Unless you got doot maybe

[steady spruce]

i have no doot, so i'll just leave shrines in w4 then i guess

[sick sentinel]

Ye, most rodes lead back to lab as of now

Like i have 7 in w4 town for lab and cooking atm

[dreamy spruce]

shouldnt he get goat first tho? before going back to lab

[sick sentinel]

For sure but leaving shrines in w4 town was the question

[dreamy spruce]

yeah if they arent far I'd move them

[graceful bramble]

Do all islands give the same amount of loot?

[kind mulch]

check your boat stats

[modern plaza]

i did some calcs... seems like Converter, Alchemist, Targeter and Miasma is the best spice collecting build. For first spice you'd run Flashy instead of Targeter

potentially 3 alchemists + converter is best first one too lol...

[graceful bramble]

I am just starting but lets say my Boat1 gets 30 loot, it doesn;t matter if it's island1 or island2, it will always return with 30 loot?

[kind mulch]

yep

[graceful bramble]

Alright, gotcha, ty sir

[dreamy spruce]

This is what the guide said is the best spice set up (missing image is whale I believe)

[bold quiver]

its whale confirmed

Also as an additional information: The most important pet for speed is Burger, everyone else are extra boosters

[dreamy spruce]

getting to burger is rough

[bold quiver]

so if u are aiming for speed: Get a burger as strong as u can then fill with the other pets, their power can be neglected

[bold quiver]

splice till your sanity is gone :[

[dreamy spruce]

Thats what I was doing

But so many genes for 1 upgrade

think I need other sources

[bold quiver]

oh dont upgrade that anymore not worth

stop at 40

[dreamy spruce]

rarity with white egg is 1.25x so goes down to ~1/140 odds but those are too low for me to gamble

[bold quiver]

indeed

i would finishg that splce to 43 and idk if i would do more

pretty low odds yet D:

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah :{

need to upgrade vials / bubbles I think

[bold quiver]

i dont even remember where we get new pet chance from

[kind mulch]

stamps, alchemy for pet chance

[bold quiver]

trueee stamps bro, thats huge and very cheap

[dreamy spruce]

right stamps

[kind mulch]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=new pet

[dreamy spruce]

💀

[bold quiver]

slacking hardcore

[dreamy spruce]

yep

[bold quiver]

its playing on hardmode respect

[kind mulch]

waiting for screenshot with new pet chance after upgrade

[bold quiver]

kkkkkkkk

[dreamy spruce]

had few donuts gotta farm some of them still

[bold quiver]

wow so much better O.O

[kind mulch]

also meals

[bold quiver]

i remember getting burger with odds close to that, around 1-90 1/80

[dreamy spruce]

my meals are pretty decent imo

[bold quiver]

isnt there also a vial for new pet chance?

[kind mulch]

my bb is cooking 24/7

[kind mulch]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=new pet

Vials Donut Drink

[dreamy spruce]

my vial is at 500k to upgrade rn

[bold quiver]

oh pretty decent. But i reckon u can get it to 5M with ES, 2 extra upgrades there

500 and 1M

[kind mulch]

tbh, my blood berserker is cooking 24/7

[dreamy spruce]

yeah prolly can

[bold quiver]

dont forget to give him some field cooking experience!!

[dreamy spruce]

my bb is <100 ladles a day, started chowing recently

[kind mulch]

hahaha

[kind mulch]

also stamps, alchemy etc

[dreamy spruce]

yeah

[bold quiver]

yeah laddles is 90% stamps 10% chow

also maxing out skilled dimwit prayer is very very important, do that asap

and it only costs green souls so not that hard

[dreamy spruce]

right should do that too

[bold quiver]

its multiplicative so huge

[dreamy spruce]

50 is a lot of lvls tho

[bold quiver]

i think it is '.'

its cheap but its important to keep it leveled within your soul gain

almost done also!

this is sure taking a long time O.O

[dreamy spruce]

nice

[modern plaza]

im looking at some simulation results and these only hold true for very small values of spice collection. when you get to about collecting 30 spices or more replacing forager and borger with an alchemist and targeter is better

[dreamy spruce]

how small is very small in this case?

[modern plaza]

so longer afk time is better for alchemist and targeter, and shorter afk time is better with borger and forager

[harsh star]

is it worth to grab the lvl 205 Printer go Brr skill? or just waste of 20 Checkouts?

[modern plaza]

break point is around 30ish

so for the big boy spices this holds true when you collect only a few

[dreamy spruce]

wait only 100k suggmas? you got lucky with vman recipe or just havent gotten it yet?

[dreamy spruce]

I see, thanks

still a long way from that ^^

[modern plaza]

also you need very high speed to hit the combat dmg breakpoint with just green collectors

so borger helps a lot with hitting the combat breakpoint on those last ones

[gilded vault]

Cooking !

[modern plaza]

but also alchemist does rely on rng, so thus, really hold true for larger samples in general. ahh it just all makes sense haha... but yes anywhere you see you are collecting 30 or more spices can be slightly tuned with this

best to start with the borger strat, find where you are overshooting and tune

[bold quiver]

113M sugmas. But i did get the recipe in around 1h-2h afk '.' didnt even had 10DR at the time

ez recipe

[dreamy spruce]

right meant M, but damn thats lucky

[bold quiver]

yeah

[indigo adder]

Does anyone else have the bug where King Doot doesn't work on a character? He is active on all of my characters except 1. It's not a visual bug either, as I can see my change in stats when I adjust my divinities. I don't get the extra skill progress claim on that char either. I've seen it reported throughout this discord, but was wondering if anyone found a fix?

[dreamy spruce]

need div lvl 2 on active char

[indigo adder]

Got it, thanks 🙂

[bold quiver]

Only think i know about doot is that u need to equip purmep to anyone also, otherwise it doesnt work

[indigo adder]

Coincidentally, this is my only lvl 1 divinity char

[modern plaza]

nice, i need to circle back and put my entire account onto each mob 😄

[bold quiver]

niceee, i prefer doing everyone on same map. o/

[lost beacon]

Whats a good grind time level for getting the harder clases to 450?

[bold quiver]

aound 2k is more than enough

BM BB and VMAN will struggle anyway

[pulsar cliff]

Obnoxious answer - as high as you can put it.

Less obnoxious, I'd say 3k ish.

[bold quiver]

everyone can get to 450 in less than a day with a 500-2k GT

i had a 1,5k GT when i got all my characters but BM BB VMAN to 450

those 3 i kept at 425

and none of them took more than 1 day

[pulsar cliff]

Love coming back from AFK to find out I left people on their skilling tab after a sampling run zzzzzzz

[gray schooner]

when i have 2 blood berserkers, do the zows count for both?

[sick sentinel]

Zows and chows are per character

Idk if theres anything dif with super chow

[dapper prism]

Superchow is bugged for double BB and it was something weird like it only works if it's on the second BB i think. Something like that, but best do more research on it

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah its 2nd bb for super chows to count

[zinc torrent]

we ball

next time

[dapper prism]

Damn so close to my first 1k 😦
https://i.imgur.com/cXcTVCK.png

[modern plaza]

so ready to switch my first BB to whatever new warrior class we get

[true obsidian]

[dapper prism]

I still say, the new classes will be promotions to the current ones

[modern plaza]

i do like the idea of having another class advancement as well

it works better with the world skill layout too

[dapper prism]

The other way wouldnt make sense, since it's 6 classes..

we have 6 main classes now, therefore 6 promotions to those classes

Else we'd be stuck with 12 classes + vman (13) and everyone needing to class change

[modern plaza]

sadly tho, the names of the new classes don't look like they will be iterations on the current classes

[dapper prism]

Names can change easily seen by vman 🤷

Icons somewhat make sense to what we have

[modern plaza]

i like to think only vman gets another promotion haha

[tacit tulip]

Also the warning on !classes specifically tells the user to not have 3 of the same spec because it means you won't be able to have all classes, this warning was put in place by lava

If the new classes were simply upgrades to the existing ones it wouldn't matter

[signal osprey]

Obviously lava can change things at his discretion but what little data mined info we have made it seem as if the new elites would be branches along side existing ones rather than advancements

[tacit tulip]

However, if they're sidegrades, it makes sense, as you can swap your duplicate to the other one

[dapper prism]

!classes

[obtuse orbit]

One of each subclass for the six first characters, JourneyMan can be slot 7, 8 or 9. For three others characters you can do Wizard / Bowman / Barbarian / Squire.

Finals Objectives :

• 3 Warriors - 3 Archers - 3 Mages - 1 Secret Class (balanced)

⚠️⬇️Warning ⬇️⚠️

• NEVER do 3 of the same elite class, or you'll be unable to have all classes

[dapper prism]

3 of the same elite, has nothing to do with the new stuff then though?

As elite are the current promotions, by the questgiver Eliteus

[tacit tulip]

Ah, did I miss something? I thought we were taling a second set of elites vs a 5th tab

[stiff prairie]

Me breaking the mold with 2,2,4,2

[modern plaza]

yeah i can't imagine the main intention is to have multiple of the same class at the end of all this 😄

[dapper prism]

Nawh it's just, if you have 3x DK you will not have one of the elites for example. As it isn't possible. (unless when we get 11th+ char slot)

[stiff prairie]

2 mage, 2 archer 4 warrior 2 spare?

[tacit tulip]

^

[dapper prism]

Idk, based on the dungeon layout and how those upgrades worked, plus the visual all points to linear promotions ontop of what we have imo...

[signal osprey]

What do dungeons have to do with anything?

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/C8U6XYv.png

[signal osprey]

Yeah I get that

But that doesn't imply that its an advancement

[dapper prism]

The layout has been linear as far as i recall there

[stiff prairie]

This is why im so confused about the advice, because you can have 3 of 1 elite, and still have 2 (1 with vman) spare..unless he plans to give each elite 2 options.

[tacit tulip]

there's also the family upgrades. There's a slot below SB but another above BM. This wouldn't be the case if the other hunter class was an upgrade to BM

[dapper prism]

obviously anything and everything can change

[tacit tulip]

it would be below each

[stiff prairie]

Thats just missplaced.

[dapper prism]

Thats easily misplaced.. since all the others are below

[stiff prairie]

Bm is missplaced.

[dapper prism]

Plus we know continuity in this game has sometimes been a bit..

[tacit tulip]

there's also like 9 more slots under VM

[stiff prairie]

Thats elite senior senior

[modern plaza]

regardless, we will never know until it's released 😄

[signal osprey]

Go look up some of the unreleased classes on the wiki and read their descriptions

[tacit tulip]

until recently, the wiki also had the layout to suggest they were sidegrades

[modern plaza]

would be cool to get class promotions in w8+ 😄

[dapper prism]

Havnt seen the table like that, only the base listed one.
Like, if we end up with 13 class slots and get a free class switch token every now and then then it's fine, else everyone will just be stuck without some classes 🤷

[fair coral]

Next classes are 3 world 7 and 3 world 8

[tacit tulip]

yeah, even that doesn't add up properly as we'll need specialisations for world 6

guess we just have to hope lava knows what he's doing 😄

[signal osprey]

This is true for every unreleased elite as of right now

Its a barb elite class upgrade not a BB upgrade

Lava originally planned for 12 unique classes with no duplicates of any kind

Yeah thats always subject to change but this is what he was aiming for as far as we know

[fair coral]

Then he will have to open more character slots

[signal osprey]

Well yeah thats a given at some point

He slowly adds them over time

We used to not even have 10 slots

[modern plaza]

this is a great point tbh

what will w6 specialization be??? maybe raw class related like

[dapper prism]

With that then, yeh it would be sideways, dk/bb/2x new class.
Although that code could easily be changed within a few days depending on how any other mechanics work with it.

[tacit tulip]

yeah, no matter how each side looks, everything is subject to change

[dapper prism]

like?

[tacit tulip]

lava might even go "fuck it, thief class" and take that from maple

[dapper prism]

Will w6 not have skill spec stuff? xD

[signal osprey]

Might not have it on release

We got W5 before we had any of the W5 elites

[modern plaza]

maybe just stat related skills

[tacit tulip]

that's a possibility too. Maybe you unlock star talents for it instead

class specific star talent. One for warrior, mage, archer?

[sick sentinel]

this might imply no classes for w6

[dapper prism]

Oh that pic also implies elite

[signal osprey]

Finally a purpose for all my vip library points

[modern plaza]

or 6 elite classes 😄

[bold quiver]

and 3 elite classes also imply that they wont be upgrades of the ones we have now

[dapper prism]

just unlock the new books already now and wait for it 😄
https://i.imgur.com/2cgXnBT.png

[tacit tulip]

for tab 5 we might see a global tab kinda like how tab 1 works. Similar but different buffs for each class

[hardy bloom]

^^ in rift*

[hardy bloom]

ooh where did u get it from

[sick sentinel]

bubo or es auto did lava skulls for me, i took off gas cans on bubo and chainbolt on es

u can also manually do the lava skulls

[modern plaza]

seigbreaker did wonders for me too

[hardy bloom]

thank you, didnt work well for me with bubo so ill try ES

[bold quiver]

vman material bag soon, hopefuly it wil be good

[tacit tulip]

The best way to do lava skulls is:

Auto until you see a plat skull
Manually kill it
50% chance for it to bounce and become deme
manually kill it
50% chance to bounce and turn lava

done

[dapper prism]

from the vip book, u can just unlock other stuff afaik ahead of tiem, like bubbles

[hardy bloom]

ohh so you reached 999?

how much do you have on VIP

[tacit tulip]

there's an empty book you can get too

[hardy bloom]

or it caps at 999

[flint shadow]

i have a question about rift lava skulls - when i kill mobs should i focus on lower level skulls or kill high level skulls the moment they pop up?

[fading cape]

mobs can have multiple skulls. So I never worried about it, so long as there were mobs left alive at all times

[tacit tulip]

killing your higest skull is generally the quickest way. I don't tend to bother targetting them until I see a plat one tho

[dreamy spruce]

if I full clear the map on auto, do I go on diff char?

[tacit tulip]

right I'm prepping to do the big eclipse skull push. Guess I better level these pets up for the MK/T 😄

[flint shadow]

if i make sure that i can have mobs alive at all time i can leave it on auto than, right?

[tacit tulip]

yeah, but you wanna make an effort to visit the mobs you don't auto kill

otherwise all thge skulls will build up on the platform you don't go to

for SB that tends to be the bottom plat for example

[gentle furnace]

i can now stop killing suggmas

[dreamy spruce]

Grats!

[flint shadow]

and it just requires luck to have the lava skull appear, right?

[tacit tulip]

yeah

Each skull has a 50% chance to bounce/upgrade

If you see a plat, you're basically at a 25% chance (two bounces) to get it

[flint shadow]

killed 3 plats already and not a ingle upgrade

[tacit tulip]

That's called "lady luck hates you" 😄

[fair coral]

You still need that eclipse skull

[flint shadow]

5 with no upgrade, lol

[bold quiver]

finaly. lets see if vman is rly good for carry cap or if its just talk

[modern plaza]

that’s a lot of cap

[tacit tulip]

can almost hold a greenstack

[modern plaza]

that’s per slot haha 😂

[bold quiver]

not as much as i thought

[modern plaza]

that’s disgusting 🤢 just level up the carry cap stamps more 🥹

[tacit tulip]

that glass gets expensive lol

[bold quiver]

yeah

[bold quiver]

yeah need to try that

my mason jar stamp 88/88

cant even up´grade this, what a shame. missing a few M

[indigo adder]

Should I be wearing chizoar armor on my w5 active farmer? (bubo)

[modern plaza]

haha i only wait for the discounts to be ready

[lost beacon]

Dressed based on your mood, that's what I did.

[bold quiver]

well this waas kinda disapointing i'd say, i cant carry the chopping stuff over 317M

[tacit tulip]

Chizoar -> Troll -> W5 gear

[dapper prism]

Magma ftw

[tacit tulip]

Vmans carry talents only impact monster mats

so he'll be no overall better

[indigo adder]

Thanks, in general chizoar for most classes?

and for vman, is the xp armor worth it?

[dapper prism]

Chiz is easy to farm, easy to just place on everyone if your gated by salt for troll/magma.

[tacit tulip]

exp gear isn't needed in generalk

you'll get plenty later

[indigo adder]

thanks 🙂

[dapper prism]

xp is additive, but stat/slot wise idk

[modern plaza]

i feel gated by the “pearls”

way too many pearls for w4 stuff… like all tools wth

[tacit tulip]

no worse than hampters

[dapper prism]

For tools i just did 1 set, since u gotta move around some gear anyways, may as well move the tool

[tacit tulip]

at least he nerfed the tool costs too

[dapper prism]

Pearls can also easily be candied

[tacit tulip]

It used to be 20/40/60/80 for pick/axe/fish/catch

now it's 20 for all

[modern plaza]

just feels out of place tho to have pearls there

[dapper prism]

Diamonds? 😄

[tacit tulip]

not that I can judge, I'm currently doing the battery farm for the w4 splicers

[dapper prism]

im tempted to do that one.. get it on everyone but batteries were also rough..

[bold quiver]

2k batteris, such a grind

ill wait until lava reduces cost to 100

[lost beacon]

You wouldnt need that many batteries if Lava would just put Duracell in the game.

[dreamy spruce]

theres no way other than just waiting for dense water right?

[dapper prism]

Buy them daily, do CC for extra liquids to buy more

[rough crest]

how do i get higher tier artifacts from sailing, can i find them on the same island or have to buy them in gem shop?

[astral knoll]

are flat multikill obols useful?

[dreamy spruce]

find them on same island

[dapper prism]

Finding the same artifact a second time will give you Ancient Artifact. Once you get to Rift 31 in W4 you unlock Eldritch, which is higher than an ancient. Each grade is more rare to find

[dapper prism]

Terrible, most Base MK is just flat out bad

[lost beacon]

only the hyper red ones are multikill per tier

[rough crest]

ok cool, then ill just send everyone to the first island, thx

that rubix cube is strong i feel

[dapper prism]

More important is Tusk on the first island. as it increases the chance to find artifacts.

[rough crest]

im actually missing tusk, i have all the others

[tacit tulip]

I reckon it'll take me about 5 more days to get everything, ES is giving me about 300-400 a day

[dapper prism]

At what DR + dmg?

[tacit tulip]

should probably swap fire cape in

I'm done with hampters so it's all chill

Candy being saved for eclipse skulls

[dapper prism]

Yeh finished all my hampters, i candied w1 eclipse, tempted to continue other worlds sometime soon but also want to get batteries xD

[zinc plume]

I need help, how do I spend 10,000 golden balls and 3000 gems, just won the jackpot

I am at stiltmoles

[gentle furnace]

this is my total after doing 1b in TVs

[dapper prism]

Get Forge Cap and Refinery speed to around lvl 20-25, MK/tier to 30-35ish.

No clue what the cost will be fully but those are probably the 3 main ones that are important

Can then Toss in some points into WP (20ish?) and i like to just lvl the rest to 10+ (although class xp is additive and useless btw)

[tacit tulip]

yeah, the forge cap is way more useful than it looks to new players

sample size not really needed cause you run royal anyway

Refinery speed speaks for itself

and more MK/T is always good

[paper sail]

Finally, first wing drop after 350+ NM runs

[dapper prism]

Normal runs, now that's dedication o.o

[tacit tulip]

I assume you have the quest active haha

[zinc torrent]

so what is the consensus on the krunk gear? how much is ok to use and which are more side than up grade

[paper sail]

💯

[dapper prism]

Magma still best for samples
divine Top/legs for afk kph
divine head/feet for DR

[zinc plume]

Ok thank you

What about the 3k gems?

[zinc torrent]

fashionating

[tacit tulip]

boooo

[dapper prism]

Here:
Magma = Overall great, Plus for Money and skilling samples (+effy boots boots)
Divine chest and legs = AFK kills (with magma head/feet)
Divine head/feet = For Active, DR (with magma chest/legs)
So I guess in most cases:
SB gmush will be wearing divine chest/legs. (+BB when chow)
DK/ES/bubo mostly divine head/feet

@zinc torrent

[fading dust]

any eldritch artifacts I should try and rush?

[paper sail]

My SB is borrowing DK's heads/boots before anyone tries to give me shit

[dapper prism]

Island 1, Tusk, then Fury with all 2h boats, slower boats can do other stuff (Arrowhead)

[tacit tulip]

The trick is to just put full kattle on everyone cause that really annoys people

[dapper prism]

Then you need to move around magma for samples 😦

[tacit tulip]

You underestimate how lazy I am

My last sample was taken like 3 months ago 🥲

[fading dust]

Is eldritch fury super good? I have ancient version and it feels like I can never get enough talent points to max my abilities

[dapper prism]

Having Max book checkout asap is very helpful

[tacit tulip]

you eventually start atoming this for more talent points

+bubble 2 to multiply it

[dapper prism]

I just always have more talents than i can really spend xD
https://i.imgur.com/SOCFbPr.png

[fading dust]

o that would be helpful indeed

[plush spear]

Why do it's looks like magma gear are better than kattlecruk gear

[tacit tulip]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

[sacred verge]

guys for w5 farming statues and golden food is DK or bubo best? seems like bubo is better but havent spent much effort finding out

[tacit tulip]

Bubo: Total number of kills -> Total number of cystal mobs -> Money gain, also alchemy
ES: Portal kills (do not spawn crystals, though do spawn more mobs), buff only applies to mobs -> Mob drops
DK: Orb multiplier (so 100 is 2x drop rate) -> Crystals drop loads -> Crystal drops, also construction

staues/gold food fall under crystal mobs, so do dk

[dapper prism]

Also DK more keys at wurms

[tacit tulip]

also that

[sacred verge]

ye alright

tyty

[dapper prism]

I feel like DK also wins with money+XP if your orb and statue is good (vman +20s knight statue)

[tacit tulip]

it definitely wins at exp at wurms

[sacred verge]

btw didnt ES use to be best for stuff outside lootbags (keys, rare drops)

[tacit tulip]

it is in most maps

[dapper prism]

Never for crystals, as it doesnt affect those

[tacit tulip]

wurms is an exception

[dapper prism]

^ Due to high HP and current damage, ES has trouble stacking wormhole high enough to compete with DK orb (if comparing stuff like Keys)

[stiff prairie]

How frequently does the atom collider... colide?

[tacit tulip]

It's a mix of high hp (so low portal kills) and wurms being an ideal map for DK (800-900 orb)

think it calculates whenever you change map

[dapper prism]

Speaking of DK Orb, what is the max orb talent lvl i should have? guess mine is overleveled.

[tacit tulip]

267 to stop overlap

[frigid acorn]

if under 310 ~ better dont go over 270

[dapper prism]

Wish that was fixed.. like ES MK talent (only cast when it runs out)

[flint shadow]

finally done with rift 36 D:

[dapper prism]

Gz! Hope you've superchowed btw

[flint shadow]

?

[sacred verge]

so i should stay under 270 orb then? currently 286

[flint shadow]

okay, rift 37 is a roadblock for me, lol

[dapper prism]

Superchow is getting 100m kills on a mob type with BB for cooking buff, unlocked through vman eclipse talent.
Rift (as a whole, doesnt matter which rift lvl) counts too, but since their HP scales exponentially so hard it gets harder and harder to superchow as you'll hit the point where you cant MK them anymore.

[dapper prism]

Got PO Box maxed (for cdr)?

[sacred verge]

ye

[lament jasper]

wait chow works on rift mobs ?

[dapper prism]

Then usually yeh. Check your DK on auto and see if your orb overlaps, as if you have 1 running and the new one is available, it resets your current orb down, twice, once when u spawn the new orb and once when the old orb runs out. losing time on your orb and stacks

[sacred verge]

damn

[dapper prism]

yes, chow/zow/superchow are all map based, not necessarily mob based. So if a map has a mob, you should be able to chow/zow/super it. That's why there's certain "hidden spots" like the singular nullo in the tree at the TD map.

Toolbox shows your progress but doesnt show hidden ones. (duplicate mobs)
https://idleontoolbox.com/account/apocalypses?c=squire&b=4

[sly plank]

then do all the rift monsters count as one monster type for chow?

[lament jasper]

damn timing is great then i was about to clear a rift on ES

[dapper prism]

Since its all map based, Rift as a whole counts as 1. No matter what rift level your on.

[sacred verge]

yead damn orb resets twice...

lol

[lament jasper]

Ooh 1 per rift

thats sad

[sly plank]

thank you, good thing I haven’t pushed rift too high. I’ll try super chow before moving on

[dapper prism]

Not 1 per rift, Rift as a whole is 1.

[paper sail]

lmao imgine missing 50 super chows if every single level was possible

[lament jasper]

Yeah i kinda said it in a weird way

[paper sail]

God, 2nd set of wings on the 3rd try

[dapper prism]

Yeh, i was on R31 and was planning to superchow, my kph was 2m+ on bb. I kinda forgot.. and pushed to R41 and ended up doing my superchow at 600k kph instead. Not terrible but still 3+ times slower

[paper sail]

Blessed be RNG

[outer plank]

is there a reason why my damage shrine wont work in w5 maps only

[dapper prism]

Lost lab node?

[outer plank]

I moved all of my shrines from W4 town to W5 town to level them as my team pushes through W5 maps. Upon doing this, all of my characters in W5 maps lost the damage boost. Only the damage shrine is the issue, all hp/carry cap/drop rate/etc are the same.
I tried replacing the shrine, moving the shrine to new town, moving to map, moving the shrine on a different character, disabling lab bonus and renabling it, i logged out and logged back into the game, i tried placing the shrines on every character, same result every time. Damage boost is active in all towns and worlds maps except w5 maps. Just yesterday I had damage boost in w5 map when the shrines were placed in W4 town. maui head and lab boost are still active. if the shrine is placed by a different character, i cannot check the afk hours state on the damage shrine, its like the game isnt aknowledging the shrine is placed.

[foggy briar]

is it worth it to chow the singular nullo?

[dapper prism]

Moving your shrines to w5 was the first issue.

[outer plank]

whymst

[foggy briar]

what about the mimics in w2 dungeon

[outer plank]

but then moving them back still doesnt give the boost

[dapper prism]

nutto* and with high enough mk it wasnt that bad btw.

[foggy briar]

harder than wood mushrooms right?

[dapper prism]

Unless you have doot. Shrines should stay and remain ikn W4 town as you will still have multiple (~4-6 alts) stuck in w4 due to cooking+lab most of the time to level them. Replacing and moving shrines resets your time on them and you may not have enough time to level them before reaching a new map

[outer plank]

i have doot so lab is empty

[dapper prism]

Dungeon ones i didnt do since your dmg is capped and stats set to basically 1. Way to slow/hard.

[tacit tulip]

mind doing a screenshot of your damage in w4/w5?

[dapper prism]

Then with doot W4 may still be good since your guaranteed to have 1 cooking, although alternative later i guess would be wurms. I still havnt moved mine though and also this is assuming you've finished all your divinity stuff and unlocked everything already before moving them.

[gray thicket]

[outer plank]

w5 town, w5 map, w4 town, w4 map

[gray thicket]

Hello there

Could I get some help organizing my inv?

[paper sail]

inb4 it is because you don't have enough Accuracy

[bold quiver]

yes u click here

[tacit tulip]

that's exactly what it is, you need more acc

for the DK talent

[outer plank]

YO WHAT

tyty

[bold quiver]

damn had u said u were playing on DK all this time we could have helped u sooner kkkkkkkk

[paper sail]

I saw those 3 red pixels at the top of the DK icon and knew immediately

[outer plank]

godammit

thank you all

[tacit tulip]

99% of the time a sudden damage drop is DK talent or lab disconnect

[gray thicket]

It's taking a while, taking screenshots of every Storage space

[outer plank]

i guess i didnt check my damage when moving to stilts so i assumed it was the same

[dapper prism]

MHm, what's the other 1%? Spending all Atoms?

[paper sail]

and gold bars in sailing

[tacit tulip]

wrong talent set too 😄

[dapper prism]

ShareX and make it a gif. But i thought you said inventory and not storage. For storage as others said, seriously just use the auto filter.

[dapper prism]

Card+Card set or Star signs the last things i can think of (+wrong gear)

[gray thicket]

I don't know what to sell and what to keep

[dapper prism]

Share your IE and we can see your storage, but typically, sell anything that's not needed

[bold quiver]

slowly going to 102%

[paper sail]

Why stop at 102?

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/M6aqC9V.png
https://i.imgur.com/CM1vLG6.png

Idk the issue as it should be very straight forward

[bold quiver]

u do have a point

[paper sail]

No reason to stop until 119%

[gray thicket]

[bold quiver]

😮 when is that

[gray thicket]

I don't see it

[paper sail]

Many thousands lol

[bold quiver]

oh no thanks lol

[dapper prism]

Like.. Random bags, statues.. Random items/hats/gears all that arnt needed..

[bold quiver]

i dont even do CC to keep clicking that that much

[dapper prism]

Mhmmm,
https://i.imgur.com/0s4rZ8i.png

[paper sail]

Somewhere around 8-9k

[gray thicket]

[dapper prism]

What was 100% at?

[paper sail]

Technically never

[dapper prism]

I mean 100% longer/progress

[paper sail]

Oh

idk, IdleonToolbox doesn't let me enter numbers lower than my real level

https://idleontoolbox.com/account/world-2/bubbles

Try for yourself

[dapper prism]

Mhm Doesnt even show the bubble change? (besides cost)

[paper sail]

That number in the bottom left is the value

[dapper prism]

Ahh xD

350 = 100%

[bold quiver]

praying so that lava places the dragon cauldron again on store!

[dapper prism]

Agreed (feels like that should be a perma thing)

[bold quiver]

also, has anyone started grinding t7 plants already? and got one

[bold quiver]

indeed

there are some very weird gem shop decisions by lava that doesnt rly add much. But oh well

[dapper prism]

Can you actually toggle the dragon cauldron?

[tacit tulip]

and still I refuse to buy flaggy rate

right on that note, construction is very neglected

time for cog clicker

[dreamy spruce]

good luck

[tacit tulip]

I mostly just need directionals

last tiem I did it, I spent 4 hours and got 0 exp directionals

my partner is playing persona 5 so just gonna watch her as I click

[dreamy spruce]

how good is cc bubble to upgrade when I still ahve 50k sec of cf left after using it once?

[dreamy spruce]

do you only have 1 squire?

[tacit tulip]

yeah

weyyy got one

[paper sail]

CC Bubble is amazing

[dreamy spruce]

Alright, will lvl it up a bunch then

[dapper prism]

Remember that the CD on your CC gets decreased by tente too. that'st the core decrease on it's cd

[stiff prairie]

well firstly, you've saved 30k seconds.
Secondly, it also boosts the strength of your CC

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah I know, but dont wanna afk on cans just for cc

[stiff prairie]

Afk on jellyfish for golden twine

[dreamy spruce]

havent pushed there yet lol

[stiff prairie]

Or citringes (W5) (with aura)

[dapper prism]

Later on when your cc gets better and if/when you have 200+ tente and stuff that 10-15 hours of CD turns into 5 minutes.

[dreamy spruce]

too weak for citringes, maybe moltis would work

[tacit tulip]

When we get slot 11 I need to decide if I want a second ES or DK. Kinda swaying to DK for the construction bonuses

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah not quite at lvl 200 yet

[stiff prairie]

Citringes and moltis are interchangable. citringes just has better density i think

lvl 200 makes CC skyrocket

I was going from 4cc/day to 2CC/hour

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah, not a lot of things to boost it tho :{

[dreamy spruce]

damn

[stiff prairie]

More CDR equals more revivals and more auras.

[dapper prism]

My full CC cycle from start to the start of the next one is around 15 minutes now

[stiff prairie]

Which in turn gives more CDR.

[dapper prism]

It gets very nice

[paper sail]

I get about 6 minutes of uptime, 8 minutes of downtime. Not quite to 50% yet but getting there

[dreamy spruce]

yeah will be awesome when I get there

[lyric flame]

how to get more accuracy ? I have 15k right now.

[dapper prism]

Yeh, that's the 15 min cycle. Not sure how much further down it gets

[tacit tulip]

Alchemy - shaquracy being the main source

[dapper prism]

15k and in W5?

[dreamy spruce]

Shaq bubbly mainly

[lyric flame]

bubble lvl 50 or 60

and I takes days for bloches

[stiff prairie]

Shaq bubble and the first bubble in each cauldron helps

[tacit tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[lyric flame]

or whatever these red fish are called

[dreamy spruce]

Also cards

[lyric flame]

yea I know that much.

[dreamy spruce]

2 acc cards already huge boost

[stiff prairie]

My shag is only 79, but my first bubbles are a minimum of 130.

[tacit tulip]

you only need 16k acuracy to 100% floms

[zinc torrent]

I actually made myself a 6 minute timer on my cellphone to remind me to click at nightmare cattle for a new run. I dont know if I should actually do this....

[dapper prism]

Ah idk why i thought it was 24k for some reason

[zinc torrent]

Well im a few runs in already and have lots of youtube videos to watch

[dapper prism]

6mins seems slow, meaning your DR is probably also not very much up there yet?

[paper sail]

If it is taking you that long, I'm betting your DR is also quite low

Yeah probably not worthwhile for you yet

[lyric flame]

nvm

I have 12k without shrines.

[zinc torrent]

9.9 dr. Not very impressive. I onow

[dreamy spruce]

My CC might be bad for now, but at least my sampling went well

[dapper prism]

For mob drop samples, try and get them inside vman void

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah my vman ones are, the other ones I stopped having

my vman dmg is pretty bad so his samples arent great

barely even got to mustaches

[sharp igloo]

Should archers sample flies or oak logs? I kinda feel like id get more logs than flies but havent tried it.

[brisk laurel]

just got causticolumn artifact but didnt get +10level on every meal

[sharp igloo]

Rn i got all mages on oak logs, all warriors on copper, but i dont really know what to do with archer and vman. Catching samples are so low compared to oak/copper that theyre pretty much negligible

[tacit tulip]

+10 to their max level

30 then 40/50/60 with the artifact

[dapper prism]

That's usual, and for vman stuff for your alchemy vials (And Refinery supplies)

[brisk laurel]

oh, i see..

[dapper prism]

Time to get it to 1100 now >:)

[sharp igloo]

If my archers have the same chopping/mining level as their catching level, do you think theyd sample more logs/ores than bugs?

[paper sail]

Probably not. A huge source of the logs/ores is the Active skills, Logs on Logs and Big Pick

[dapper prism]

Not sure, never tested it but i doubt it since they don't have any talents that influence those samples

[tacit tulip]

nor do they benefit from the "class" bubble for those types

[paper sail]

their tab1 specialized efficiency also wouldn't benefit mining or chopping

[sharp igloo]

Okay ill just stick with bugs then

[paper sail]

I still want someone to try and report back, but I imagine they're not any better

[tacit tulip]

I personally went for page 1 bubbles to up my samples

bob is expensive

[dapper prism]

My Bob is still 128

Mainly focused on Wood samples and Larry

Did Larry 1100 before touching much other stuff

and roadkill

[sharp igloo]

How much def do you need to survive crystal wurms on active bubo?

[signal osprey]

HP is more important than defense

[dapper prism]

Not sure but having this talent up a bit will help a ton as long as you arnt being 1 shot.
https://i.imgur.com/ZQwD9zQ.png

[sharp igloo]

Ah yeah, I havent put anything in the hp po box on him

[paper sail]

Yeah the HP matters a lot. I've been activing since ~3500 defense without deaths

[sharp igloo]

I think he has like 4700 def but he still gets 1 shot

[unkempt quest]

just level up the defense bubble

[dapper prism]

How much HP do you have?

[sharp igloo]

23k hp 4700 def

[unkempt quest]

get those numbers up

[paper sail]

How are you dying then?

[unkempt quest]

just do your daily upgrades on defense bubbles

[paper sail]

I have 4800 defence and only get hit for 14k. You should be fine O.o

[unkempt quest]

are you using the multikill prayer that lowers your defense and health?

if you are take it off

[sharp igloo]

I started raising fmj yesterday, but i need to print more fruit flies so I can atom it on a warrior class

[sharp igloo]

Oh yeah its probably that

[dapper prism]

So at Tremos, a crystal has 500k DMG

Max Hit of crystal
DEF | DMG to you
3000 = 45905
4000 = 23452
4500 = 17676
5000 = 13691
6000 = 8761
10000 = 2468

Your case:
4800 = 15119

[sharp igloo]

Maybe theyre just hitting me twice before I heal lol

[paper sail]

Do you have Instant Invincibility leveled?

Doesn't take much investment to get pretty long invuln windows for Healing

[dapper prism]

Think 2s+ is enough to easily heal to max again on bubo. but yeh 3s is like no risk then

[sharp igloo]

Its only level 53, but i have 120 spare talent points so I could get it to 173

[unkempt quest]

even without instant invincibility you start with a half second of invincibility on every character

[errant sluice]

just 1shot em

that easy

[sharp igloo]

I do 1 shot them, but sometimes they spawn on top of me lol

[paper sail]

You can't always 1shot things that spawn directly on your head lol

[errant sluice]

you telling me you dont insta heal when you constantly clear the whole map?

[signal osprey]

Yeah but if you're one shotting it means your healing rapidly

[errant sluice]

or are you 1 hit?

[signal osprey]

So as long as you dont get one shot you shouldnt die unless you dont one shot them to heal fast enough

[sharp igloo]

I think they 1 hit me, i dont know for sure, all I know is that sometimes I die lol

[bold quiver]

too weak

[errant sluice]

how lol whats your hp and armor

[sharp igloo]

23k hp 4700 def

[bold quiver]

need more HP

[errant sluice]

huh

[bold quiver]

23k is too low

[errant sluice]

where is your hp

[signal osprey]

I feel like theres something else going on here

[sharp igloo]

Yeah ill put some into the hp po box and hopefully thatll fix it

[signal osprey]

Thats still more hp than your average bubo had when W5 launched

[bold quiver]

if he cant one shot everything he will eventualy die, cuz his Raise dead wont reset and he will keep spamming autos - get hit a second time and die

[agile vine]

Whats that characters level?

[errant sluice]

well my bubo only got 65k hp aswell

but like 12k armor or smth

[sharp igloo]

380ish

[signal osprey]

Character level doesnt matter

[bold quiver]

wow thats high

[agile vine]

I was just curious

[tacit tulip]

coggers

[errant sluice]

its only 11k just checked 🤏

but my dk has 16k i think

[sharp igloo]

I am 1 shotting everything

[paper sail]

With Balance of Pain on?

[sharp igloo]

Lemme check

[bold quiver]

just get more HP and u wont ever die, 23k is too low

35-40k should be more than enough

[signal osprey]

Too high. You can do better

[bold quiver]

that prayer is brutal

[sharp igloo]

Yeah balance of pain is on

[paper sail]

I don't have Beefy for Real yet 😭 I'm waiting 1 more level for Poison tower to hit the 95% discount mark and then I'll update

[signal osprey]

Well turn it off and all your problems will go away

[sharp igloo]

Lmao okay thanks

[bold quiver]

the most weird thing is that he dies sometimes, doesnt make sense

it should be impossible to die sometimes with bubo

[errant sluice]

guys ill unlock td bits soon then theres no escape to do tower defense again

i dont want to

[bold quiver]

either u get one shoted or u are immortal if u can one shot everything

[sharp igloo]

My invincibility talent is low, so that might be part of it

[bold quiver]

that doesnt matter

[errant sluice]

if you need that talent get gud

[bold quiver]

the amount of HP u heal per second there is enough to recover full life

and u cant get hit faster than u heal (at least i never died there lol

[tacit tulip]

If it didn't matter people wouldn't suggest using it lol

[bold quiver]

i didnt even know that talent did anything kkkkkkk

[signal osprey]

It kinda doesnt matter though tbh

But late game players started using it because we had 1k extra talent points so why not

[bold quiver]

u are already invencible for a few seconds between hits - which is long enough to heal

[paper sail]

There are windows where it DOES matter, period.

[signal osprey]

And then we told people to just use it when they ask why they die

[tacit tulip]

it's possible they're oneshotting the wurms but not crystals with poison. If it sits on your head, and you don't cast aura, it'd just take a second to die

or heck, cookie yiou might kill it and a new one spawns on you

[bold quiver]

yeah thats why i asked if he was one shoting everything haha

[errant sluice]

well your supposed to use mostly aura anyway so like

[bold quiver]

he said he was so i thought it was very weird

[errant sluice]

why using poison

[signal osprey]

The thing is if a crystal can hit you that means it should be in an aura

Because you literally drop them at your feet

[errant sluice]

if something survives your aura you are simply not ready to be there thats a period

[signal osprey]

So even if poison doesnt 1 shot crystals you should never be in range of a crystal that isnt standing in an aura

[paper sail]

Sometimes raise dead goes off 30 times in a row and you're left without aura for a second 🤷

[signal osprey]

Yeah but raise dead only chains when you have auras already down

[sharp igloo]

These are my 2 bubos. Both sometimes die during CC

[signal osprey]

Because the aura is whats getting you kills

[paper sail]

Auras elsewhere on the map is enough. Very easily to miss somewhere

[bold quiver]

i found the solution for u.
Go back to citrines, too weak

[sharp igloo]

What do i need to raise to do wurms?

[errant sluice]

did you equip dmg cards?

[paper sail]

Just checking.. You do have Hemo star talent leveled, right?

[bold quiver]

more HP so u can tank 2 hits!

[sharp igloo]

No thats with multikill afk cards for deathnoting slimes

[errant sluice]

because your bubo has higher dmg than mine without cards and i have no problems whatsoever

[sharp igloo]

I think so

[signal osprey]

All the cool kids farm OJ anyway

Wurms overrated

[errant sluice]

tbh i think you are ready its just a skill issue on your end lmao

[opaque sun]

just a matter of getting more HP and/or def

[bold quiver]

As long as u cant tank 2 hits, u will keep dying aparently. So just get more HP/defense!

[dapper prism]

idk based on calc they shouldnt be 1 shot..

[sharp igloo]

Okay ill just up the hp po box and maybe use an hp potion lol

[bold quiver]

considering u are already one shoting even crystal mobs thats the only option left

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/sJzAcPH.png

unless 2 hits can hit at once before invinc triggers?

[signal osprey]

You should double check this

[tacit tulip]

honestly the box will probably be enough

[opaque sun]

Raising bubo’s invulnerability timer also helps a bit if you are being two-shotted

[dapper prism]

You do have goblet leveled?

[opaque sun]

But raising HP/def to get three-shotted guarantees you dont die

[bold quiver]

make if 4 shoted just to be safe

[opaque sun]

Star talent’s HP, and tab 1 HP talent (and maybe buckler for def) should help with that

[paper sail]

Sheet linky?

[sharp igloo]

Just checked, and yeah its maxed on both

[dapper prism]

No linky atm 😄

[tacit tulip]

getting like no left/right cogs lol

[bold quiver]

woo nice setup!

one man army

[tacit tulip]

will be happier once I have my missing directional cogs

[bold quiver]

is that the setup for 1 squire?

[tacit tulip]

yeah

[bold quiver]

wait, why would 1 setup squire be good? shouldnt it be 1 squire 1 barbarian even?

[stiff prairie]

Dump some of that liquid gains into Roid ragin to help with survivability

[faint jacinth]

Any chance for a pity drop?
still no glove recipe from this bad boi

[dapper prism]

If you have MK, remember that doesnt count for drops

[tacit tulip]

count your royal urns. Average player will get 1000 urns per recipe

[faint jacinth]

makes sense

[sharp igloo]

I got my recipe at just over 100mil kills

[tacit tulip]

700m for me

[bold quiver]

isnt it better to place 10 characters tehre and keep spamming 2 minutes claim?

[faint jacinth]

bruh

[bold quiver]

i feel like u would drop it faster

u guys must remember how many miraculous drops we got from fast claims randomly '.'

[dapper prism]

I believe so, but gg that dedication xD

[bold quiver]

1 ES portal swap claiming 9 charactres, repeat

[dapper prism]

I wish autoloot would loot stuff on login

[signal osprey]

Statistically no your chance of getting it in any given two minute period isnt higher if you do 2 minute claims

[sharp igloo]

Is it worth atomming cranium cooking over 350?

[faint jacinth]

oof, 223 urns :/
this will take a while

[tacit tulip]

if it makes you feel better I got mine at 5k urns lol

[dapper prism]

u may have spent some on stamps

[bold quiver]

i did to 420 and it wasnt worth

[dapper prism]

im at 285 and didnt even finish for 350

[signal osprey]

Thats because you dont atom it you print logs and click it

[bold quiver]

i'd do that only if i didnt have any other priorities

[sharp igloo]

Okay mines at like 290ish rn or whatever level makes it 90% longer. might just leave it there

[opaque sun]

I atomed cooking road kill to 1500 for 115% and i think was worth it. Made the required time to fill liquid shorter, which means more active time on dk for instance

[dapper prism]

just remember to get larry up first

[bold quiver]

talk about wasting 10 days worth of atoms!

[sharp igloo]

I think i have other things i should atom before I go that far lmao

My larry is super low

[signal osprey]

How is that a waste of atoms lol

Like whats your big brain alternative

[opaque sun]

115% faster cooldown, 115% longer duration, 115% faster progress, 115% exp is not a bad bargain

[bold quiver]

nothing, just do other bubbles

[signal osprey]

Such as?

[bold quiver]

any sklling is already better

[faint jacinth]

may be too

[signal osprey]

Except those dont matter until you sample

So if you're not sampling for at least a month or so then you get no immediate benefit

[opaque sun]

like yea its not as important as getting larry to 100%+ first

[signal osprey]

Whereas you can atom roadkill and immediately begin to benefit and then do skilling bubbles closer to your resample

[bold quiver]

lvl 630 is 108% on cranium bubble...... going for 1500 to get extra 7%....

for something that u can already fill more than 10k liquid in less than 1 hour

[signal osprey]

You just described every skilling bubble though too

[sharp igloo]

350 is 100%

[signal osprey]

Thats alchemy

It gets worse as you do more

[opaque sun]

Also roadkill can be done via printing logs, so like half of it I did with hourly clicks

I just rushed the last few with atoms

[bold quiver]

u do u

cant see how getting 8% extra cc time is worth to anything fpr 10 days

[signal osprey]

Also what do you do when you have skilling bubbles all at 95%?

[sharp igloo]

I need to start doing hourly clicks on alchemy lol

[signal osprey]

Because end game is basically there

I'm out of skilling bubbles

[bold quiver]

bunch of linear bubbles out there for u

[faint jacinth]

why the hell the anvil getss full even with the thingy that deposits that?

[dapper prism]

it only deposites on daily reset

[opaque sun]

8% more cc time, 8% more better seconds, 8% more faster cooldown sums up to more than a simple “8%”

[dapper prism]

use IE to check how long it takes to get full

[faint jacinth]

damn, maybe 2fast

[bold quiver]

8% of something useless wasting 10 days worth of atoms, wow

[opaque sun]

Its like saying 200 tent is just 1.5x increase

[bold quiver]

i could have wasted 10 days on call me bob

that is usefull

[signal osprey]

If you think its useless that says more about your lack of endgame understanding than anything else

[faint jacinth]

Do Lava have plans to pet trade between players?

[signal osprey]

Keep speed running though

[bold quiver]

the more i see endgame logic the more i see how much useless things u guys do haha

[dapper prism]

yes, tradeable ones. not the free weekly claim ones.

[bold quiver]

tks god i didnt follow most of your ppl advice while i was advancing

[opaque sun]

1.08x^3 upgrade using 10 days of atoms is usually a good deal considering other stuff that you can also atom

[signal osprey]

Yeah if you did you might have actually been speedrunning

[bold quiver]

otherwise i wouldnt have achieved 150B dmg in less than 3 months to clear all rift from fresh start

[opaque sun]

If you dont like to atom, then at least consider hourly clicks

[signal osprey]

Rather than the okay timing you actually had

[bold quiver]

havent seen many people do that tho, very weird

[signal osprey]

Thats because half the people in here dont listen

They ask questions, get answers, and then ask the same thing a month later after they didnt do what they were told to do

[faint jacinth]

got a few of them, still need sheepie and the rarer ones

[bold quiver]

yeah i didnt listen also to most of the advice i was hearing haha had to filter a lot

a lot of good advice but mixed with so many inneficient things from a fresh account perspective

[dapper prism]

I just do both, ask, listen, research, test and come up with my own conclusion on stuff based on initial exterior input as some people have played for a long time and know stuff, but at the same time some were also out of touch to the "current" progress. e.g. someone playing since start and stuck on w3 till w4 came out then same on w5, will have way higher bubbles, pets, salt. Meanwhile hard pushing get time gated by some of those things.

[sour flare]

What damn map do I bring my DK to in order to farm like 2k obol frags

[dapper prism]

W2 snelbie (or pots) Or W3 bloodbones.
Also depends if you need glass shards and other drops

[opaque sun]

atom bob sure has its merits and its linear growth. But i wanted to raise my cc efficiency with a goal of:

1. Make liquid filling sessions shorter so that i can switch out to other active faster.
2. Also raise the rate of GT when i feel like aiming for 20k+ GT
3. Getting another bubble with a hardcap done with 90-95%

[bold quiver]

yeah thats the same as i did. i was a very good IS player so i know how lava game mechanic works haha i had also alfa tested this game prior to open public testing so i knew how it worked

[faint jacinth]

What's the name of that site in which we check on what we are falling behind on investments? Like, you put your idleon efficiency there and it does the maths for you

[opaque sun]

3 reasons i think was a good enough reason for me to do it

[tacit tulip]

the guy took it down after doot

so no longer available

[sour flare]

I just need obol frags atm, which one would shit out the most?

[dapper prism]

both !ie and !it

[opaque sun]

W2 shits out most silver/gold obols

[bold quiver]

Yeah thats decent. What is your cc time with that bubble now

[dreamy spruce]

wait that existed? damn I missed out :{

[dapper prism]

We just had a talk yesterday but didnt fully test it, i thought bloodbone but more annoying since its a ton of round ones, someone else said snelbie.

[faint jacinth]

!ie

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleonefficiency.com/ Unofficial 3rd party site made by Sludger#6559

[faint jacinth]

!it

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo#2331

[dapper prism]

Either way you need crystal rate, preferably with choco chip to be most efficient

[dreamy spruce]

I heard sand pots

[bold quiver]

i wanna give call me bob some love later again, maybe get it to 2k-3k but idk, construction is such a weird area to me

[sour flare]

Thanks man I'll go try out some pots for a bit

[opaque sun]

40k seconds on 8-10 min intervals i think, not like i note down all the numbers

[bold quiver]

400k?

[opaque sun]

Yeah sorry missed typing a zero

[dapper prism]

Sand pots are just done over Snelbie because you also get glass shards (needed for stamp)

[bold quiver]

almost the same as mine then very good

[sick sentinel]

do yall both have rift slug

[bold quiver]

yeah the values are kinda random, sometimes u get better aura placement and better spawn, sometimes its worse, cant do much about it

[opaque sun]

Also extra alch exp (levels) for the p2w upgrade (not like that is important)

[dapper prism]

I'm at 350-360k atm with 96% roadkill. (with slug and 1/30 crystal)

[dreamy spruce]

damn nice

[bold quiver]

huge

[sour flare]

What's the slug?

[dreamy spruce]

companion, +25 all talents

[dapper prism]

w1 companion pet, +25 levels

[sour flare]

Duh right, mb

[bold quiver]

best pet ever!

[opaque sun]

If I layout out the precise numbers, it would show a noticeable difference, but just out of “gut feeling”, 100% roadkill and 115% roadkill would sound similar

[sharp igloo]

How are you getting so much? Mines at 90% roadkill and I usually get 200-240k using stingers at wurms with aura/respawn/fart dude after setting up the whole map with poison and max mana po box

[dapper prism]

Crystal rate? choco chip?

[sour flare]

92% here, choco, 1/31, 330-340

[dapper prism]

fists with 9 wide aura?

[sharp igloo]

Oh i didnt even think of that lol. Thanks ill try choco chip

[dapper prism]

Yeh so similar to mine

[bold quiver]

ill check how high my roadkill % bubble has to reach until i can get 400k per CC. I can get 360-370k with 90%, so ill check at 100

[dreamy spruce]

how high have you all leveled crystallin (crystal spawn stamp)

[opaque sun]

crystal is like the rng factor of the seconds per cc

[dapper prism]

100%, better than doot. Doot is terrible since it opens up your alts and ytou have to then play on more characters again 😦

[sour flare]

For sure I would hope that 4% would give more than 20-30k extra but anything helps

[bold quiver]

cuz if i get 10% longer duration and 10% more liquid it would be 20% right?

[sick sentinel]

i want to keep full time lab 😦

[opaque sun]

And 10% more seconds per kill

[sick sentinel]

save me the extra time from playing all chars

[dapper prism]

Good part is wurm key farming, bad part is the moral dillema of wtf to do with my shrines..

[bold quiver]

yeah thats where i got 20%, but i'dk if i will get 20% seems like something will be missing

[opaque sun]

1.1x^3 ish, in a way

Shorter cooldowns

[bold quiver]

i doubt i will se an increase from 370k to 444k seconds

[dreamy spruce]

does seem unlikely

[bold quiver]

yeaahh e_E

[dapper prism]

What are the highest CC's times recorded?

[dreamy spruce]

is 444k the highest you've seen someone achieve?

[opaque sun]

400k at 115%, but note, you will be getting that in shorter intervals

[bold quiver]

havent ever seen anyone claiming to get 444k

[opaque sun]

So if you measure like your total gains in a set amount of time, it may calculate to something near 444k

you would get something like 400k per proc, but you will be getting more procs like say in a 1-2hr time span

[bold quiver]

hm so i'll try aiming for 10% only

[bold quiver]

true i had forgotten about that

i will keep hourly clicking my CC bubble until 600ish or until 110% for the sake of the numer. MOre than that i wont

more cuz its too long for too little increase and i can use the slot for some other hourly bubble probably. will see

like checkout, im so behind on these bubbles here that its gonna take agese before i can consider atoming those kkkkkk

[opaque sun]

When we reach 400 talent levels, having roadkill of 110-115% will be an important factor to have infinite cranium time

[bold quiver]

that day i will level up for sure! it wil be fun if it ihappens

[tacit tulip]

you can soonlol us but we went from 169~ ish max in w4 to 300+ in w5

[dreamy spruce]

wouldnt the 4 second breakpoint be enough for it, feel like you wouldnt need cc too high

[tacit tulip]

not unreasonable that we might see it in w6

[dapper prism]

Speaking of atom bubbles, what would you all recommend i start atoming ?
https://i.imgur.com/EY49eD5.png

[bold quiver]

im not a good advisor for that, i always get side tracked on some random stuff lol

[dreamy spruce]

I expected your bubbles to be higher :{

[bold quiver]

but getting all skilling bubbles to 85% capacity is something i did

[opaque sun]

2 to 3 sec was a 1.5x improvement, but 3 to 4 is 1.3x, so in relative will feel smaller impact

[dapper prism]

But 2 to 3s is way more than a 50% improvement at the same time. due to insta rezz*

[tacit tulip]

also the % odds go up

[opaque sun]

3 to 4 yeah doesnt really change on the combat side as much

[dapper prism]

Well, i'm trying 😦
My biggest focus was Larry and Mage stuff, 800m oak samples atm. I should focus on Orange for either Copper or Con XP tbh but not sure.

[opaque sun]

How fast the game can spam raise dead kind of hit the cap on the casting side

[dapper prism]

Just saw this hit atom-range, worth getting it up a bit now?
https://i.imgur.com/cxWZDee.png

[opaque sun]

3 to 4 helps bubo also take on shit maps tho

[tacit tulip]

it does slow down a bit

[dreamy spruce]

Still way higher than mine ^^

[willow drum]

85% card drop is only 227

not bad

[signal osprey]

Also have to keep in mind that 400 tent also means 400 CC so the base time will go up too

[dapper prism]

Realized both card and egg just hit atom range.
Maybe just a few points in each to guarantee Big P upgrades

[opaque sun]

4 sec tent bubo will probably do just as fine on big mole maps

[dreamy spruce]

how wide would aura be at lvl 400?

[dapper prism]

12?

or 13

[dreamy spruce]

sounds wide

[dapper prism]

Believe its base 1+ 1 every 35.

so 385 would make it 12?

[willow drum]

385 is 12

[raven vale]

Doing R36 (75 on SB flag) and the plunder mobs take no damage. Am i bugged or just weak AF? I could reset talents to decrease their health

[lost beacon]

Turn off auto loot

[raven vale]

Turning off auto loot will make me magically kill the plunderous mobs? xD

[dapper prism]

Friendly reminder to superchow on BB

[opaque sun]

lower the flag talent level

[raven vale]

Yes sir, completed

[raven vale]

cool ty

[opaque sun]

else you are just weak AF

[lost beacon]

It helps with getting it higher when you can

[tacit tulip]

woop

[raven vale]

Yeah i should be here probably

[dreamy spruce]

What lvl is your bob? Or does it not show there

[tacit tulip]

those are just the combined board exp%'s

[dapper prism]

Nice upgrade to salts

[opaque sun]

Even at last rift wave it still can be super chowed

[dreamy spruce]

oh so bob is multiplicative with that? nice

[dapper prism]

Does bob xp display total XP gain when clicking the actual dk on board?

[tacit tulip]

believe so

character exp should be the actual exp it's getting

ignoring the active shenanigans

[opaque sun]

bob is applied on the numbers if you manually click the construction heads

The active exp penalty also shows on that number

[tacit tulip]

oh neat

can someone give me some left/right or diagonals so I can escape this clicking hell

[dreamy spruce]

Why is there an active xp penalty again?

[opaque sun]

clicking the head of the active guy will significantly show a nerfed number

[tacit tulip]

just a bug I believe

[opaque sun]

lava coding

[dreamy spruce]

thought as much

[opaque sun]

Makes an obol that triggers when only active, but forgot to put some exp formula in said active

[sacred arrow]

anyone got a td setup doc for me?

[tacit tulip]

I have the individual pictures if you want a specific one

[sacred arrow]

frosty pls

needa grind em blue souls

[dapper prism]

yes

[tacit tulip]

that one was a youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5PqKmPPQU&t=4s

[dapper prism]

Else:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741696802666840167/1134165090929750086/image-46.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741696802666840167/1134165091730858094/image-51.png

[sacred arrow]

what if i dont own poisonic?]

[sacred arrow]

tyty

[dapper prism]

What was the new doc guide link again?

That sounds.. weird 🤔

[little pagoda]

Why can I never find anywhere what hitting the catching nodes actually does? Does 300% bonus mean 300% more bugs?

[dapper prism]

Apparently its broken and doesnt do anything (or something like that)

If it worked, bug samples would actually be good

[little pagoda]

Well it would make sense because I never noticed a difference but maybe I'm just not hitting it enough

[opaque sun]

it doesn’t do anything

Lava had plans for it, and never finished it

[little pagoda]

Ok good because switching to fighting preset just for this is annoying

[opaque sun]

Probably couldn’t reliably store the bug multiplier on map change

[little pagoda]

Yeah and I noticed sometimes when I enter a map the node gets destroyed even if I don't hit anything

It even counts for portal lol

[opaque sun]

Giving small catch exp on someone you didnt intend

[tacit tulip]

aha, I have won at cog clicker!

[little burrow]

Hey, I want to sample with my 2 ES, do I just put everyone on goat and the 2 ES on bear + snake?

[opaque sun]

theoretically yes

[little burrow]

Okay thanks

[opaque sun]

usually you would also sample on your miners too tho

[little burrow]

But it takes so long

Havent resampled for 2 months on them

[opaque sun]

Like if you expect a big sample gains on your chopper, you miners too should have major gain with their copper

[little burrow]

my miner has a 140k sample and my ES a 91 mio so I guess it would be a huge gain

[gray thicket]

Is this good?

[opaque sun]

Sacrificing goat of few miners isnt too detrimental

[little burrow]

Do I go snake or bear on miner?

[opaque sun]

Snake

[quiet pewter]

just half ass the sampling, ont bother much on gear and stuff, a half assed sample will still be better than not sampling for months

[outer plank]

should i have the rock on at all times for gaming? i feel like it will help me get the final 2 mutations unlocked

[opaque sun]

Since you are resetting the artifact bonus, might as well get it done at the same time

[little burrow]

Okay I will just resample all warriors and mages

[dapper prism]

yes, definetely for chem, also dont hoard genes long, constantly attempt for new muta

[opaque sun]

kitsune is always worth it if you can manage to harvest frequently

So worth or not is more of if you can handle it

[outer plank]

ok grea thanks, ya im trying basically everytime its 0.1%

i dont have the one before chem tho, should i wait for 1% to try or just send it at 0.1?

[little burrow]

Perfect resample linking my first god and I missclick on nobi ...

[swift pecan]

Anyone know why i keep desyncing at nightmare cruk, thats 210 keys down the drain now.

[bold quiver]

i'd wait at least until 50 dna

[outer plank]

why specifically 50?

[bold quiver]

as a minimum, when i got my chemical i waited for between80-100 dna

good odds in my opinion

[outer plank]

what about the one before chem

[bold quiver]

i'd rather have 0,4 or 0,3% than 0,1%

[bold quiver]

same, around 100 DNA

[dapper prism]

42 dna or something was 0.3%

[outer plank]

okiedoke

since im active, should i be collecting plants immediately? as im trying to get the mutation unlocked rn or should i keep my strategy for waiting for tier 4 plants before harvest?

it seems that collecting t2 or higher only gives 1 dna

[lapis mesa]

love the timing on that

[outer plank]

lmao @dreamy spruce

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah had the same question

[opaque sun]

more you save, you are diminishing the % per dna

[outer plank]

wdym