lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[rustic garnet]

I don't think both my mining and chopping have gone up double

my best sample is double

my other ones won't be

so I'll come out net down

[signal osprey]

Welcome to late game

I resample now I lose 50% of my sampling output

[orchid ferry]

but then why does it matter now but not then?

[signal osprey]

And heres the fun part

I cant do anything about that

Its literally not possible to sample high enough

[rustic garnet]

it's quite rough

I actually have a specific reason not to resample though

[signal osprey]

Its an incremental game

Its all about stacking small gains over time

[rustic garnet]

you'll understand: We are about to get 6 new islands with new buffs

so 18% upgrade chance in 40 days, or I delay a wee bit and see if the new island buffs give any nice sample touch ups

also, I'll have 2 more free roles and I might get slug

slug would be a reason to resample

[flint viper]

I got silver ankh relic for the extra po box but i dont see anything new to upgrade?

[rustic garnet]

and a few more book checkouts

I'm a bit behind on book checkouts for my samples, so if I can set those up to max level, that would really help

If I can get these booked up

[placid mural]

Do you have 100k in myriad PO?

[signal osprey]

Not yet

[placid mural]

What are you at?

[signal osprey]

Around 50k

[rustic garnet]

I'm at 12k with 2500 keys in the bank

[signal osprey]

I do a little bit every now and then but I cba to click that much

[rustic garnet]

which should be about... 17k if I spend down?

yeah that's the real problem with myraid

it's the clicking

[signal osprey]

I could do it all right now if I wanted but I value my wrist more than I value that box

[rustic garnet]

it's not just clicking either, it's move click move click move click

ooof

[signal osprey]

I have more pens than I do missing boxes

If I turned in all my pens now I could probably max myriad twice

[rustic garnet]

I'd be tempted to pay someone on fiver for this service 😉

what's the best pen farm?

[signal osprey]

Just anything active farming really

[quiet pewter]

penguins drop a bunch

[signal osprey]

DK is the best but you'll get plenty on other classes too

[rustic garnet]

I suspect I should move my obols to my active farmer

[quiet pewter]

whats everyones copper sample at?

[rustic garnet]

67~m

[frozen prairie]

35m

[rustic garnet]

I think I'll focus my books on my re-sample

and schedule it for 2 weeks time

should give me a real value boost there

[signal osprey]

Mine are between 480m-500m

[quiet pewter]

nice, im sitting around 150m

[rustic garnet]

I've not had a focus for my books, just whatever felt good

[signal osprey]

I was maxing all the sampling stuff for awhile but thats pretty much done now

Even done a bunch of random damage books now too

[rustic garnet]

like % and base damage tab 1?

[signal osprey]

I think I'm almost at a point where I might consider just banking as many books as I can to buy a bunch whenever we get the next new max level

[rustic garnet]

There has to be a very very hard cut point

[signal osprey]

Those and more. Some cahracters have basically every talent worth maxing done

[dapper prism]

Oh i mean the regular Archers, like archers having extra DR not the passive stuff

[rustic garnet]

like, 400 books and log starts to hit?

hmmm

I just saw my alchy progress was only 300k

what else am I doing wrong?

[signal osprey]

Not sure but at this point I dont really get a whole lot of value out of books anymore

[signal osprey]

So even if I lose a lot of books overall I feel like being able to quickly max a bunch of strong talents as soon as I can would be better than maxing every random talent I can

[rustic garnet]

I'm not 1 shotting the ccrystals with poison, does that matter?

[quiet pewter]

you put teh bubble on right?

[signal osprey]

Main thing is max CC talent and push the bubble

[rustic garnet]

I've got those

[signal osprey]

1 shotting crystals will help but it wont be an insane difference

[frozen prairie]

how many green stacks do you guys have/when should i just leave it?

i have 90 rn

[signal osprey]

Also more crystal chance in general will help too

[rustic garnet]

1/28 cc

I don't think I can push that much more

[quiet pewter]

109

[rustic garnet]

I think it's 1 or 2 points off max

[signal osprey]

Yeah but every % of crystal spawn is stronger than the last

[rustic garnet]

Sure I know

[signal osprey]

So 1 in 28 to 1 in 26 is a bigger difference than it might seem at first

But yeah I get its hard to push

A big part of it is shrine

[rustic garnet]

it can't be 25% difference in kill count though

I must be missing something else

I might give it a try with the HP turned down (midas or coins off)

to be fair, I don't really need more

[signal osprey]

Its really just a combination of things with the biggest one being slug really

Hate to break it to ya but the slug owners will just always have bigger CC's because of the extra levels on the talent

But more crystal chance as well as 1 shotting them will help

And then the bubble does make a difference too

[orchid ferry]

meanwhile im here with like 3 bloques, 2 frogs and 3 sand pots

[signal osprey]

My bubble values are 115%

[rustic garnet]

I suspose slug is pretty stupid strong

what is the cc length with slug?

[barren otter]

161 for me

at 303

[rustic garnet]

and seconds per?

[barren otter]

roughly 5 1/2 mins with bubble

30 secs alch prog

[rustic garnet]

that's 15% more

so that's a good chunk of the diff

300->345

still missing 100ish

what is your bublbe sitting at and what % is it?

[barren otter]

i stopped at 100% on the values

which was 350 bubble lvl

[rustic garnet]

that would bring it up to 396

so that's pretty close

was it 460k seconds?

[signal osprey]

Who got 460k?

I've never seen that high

[barren otter]

my highest was right at 400k secs

feel like 460k is not possible

[signal osprey]

I feel like that has something else going on like valenslimes or something

Because I know people who have basically the highest CC investment possible

Who get like 420k tops

[vagrant mountain]

the secret is manual cranium cooking

[barren otter]

for almost 6 mins

no thanks

[vagrant mountain]

enjoy your mediocre cc gains then

[barren otter]

think im okay with my avg at 380k

[signal osprey]

Yeah I'm at the point where CC lasts for half of its cool down

[rustic garnet]

or just exageration

[signal osprey]

Have like 50% uptime

[orchid ferry]

whats the point of using cc if you have all bubbles?

i dont have enough ressources to spam level and use the water

so just level gt? lol

[barren otter]

my liquid regen is not enough to keep up with my current hourly clicks

so i have to CC at least once a day to keep up

and yea GT is a thing too

[orchid ferry]

hourly clicking what

[rustic garnet]

lol

[barren otter]

im hourly clicking 5 bubbles

[rustic garnet]

yeah hourly clicking, the thing that no one talks about and is assumed everyone knows 😄

So, with enough printing, you max out your resources for a number of bubbles

[barren otter]

all 3 main stat bubbles and mining/chopping bubbles

[rustic garnet]

you can, hourly, buy that bubble level +1 (+2 cuz of larry)

not all 3 main stat, surely

[barren otter]

?

main stat is easy to hourly click

[orchid ferry]

well i cant hourly click while at work so

[rustic garnet]

oh sorry, 3, not 4

[barren otter]

yea not luck

thats ignored

[signal osprey]

Luck bubble is closer than you guys might think

[rustic garnet]

?

You can do that in an hour?

[lapis mesa]

major end game ridiculousness

[signal osprey]

Not in one hour but people could definitely do a few clicks a day

[signal osprey]

And eventually an hour

[barren otter]

[signal osprey]

Theres no cap to anvil speed

[rustic garnet]

aah ok

so... jus tinsane cap and speed

[barren otter]

one day ill get iron sample to hourly click hammer hammer

[rustic garnet]

anyway, yeah so

[barren otter]

but not quite there yet

[rustic garnet]

what isn't in any pin and is forgotten about...

[pulsar cliff]

lmao wtf

[rustic garnet]

you should be setting up your samples for 'hourly bubble clicking'

which means; Get these to 1000+ m per hour

[signal osprey]

My SB alone

[pulsar cliff]

Upgraded all my tools without checking what the level reqs were. Now don't have tools for some of my guys.

[rustic garnet]

Copper, Oak, Bleach, Silver, Jungle,

There are a few more you can get to as well

[barren otter]

hammer hammer hourly clicks soon...

[signal osprey]

Just do it every other hour

[barren otter]

you know what

[signal osprey]

I do that with void ore clicks

[barren otter]

youre right

i should

[rustic garnet]

void ore, and other ores can be done in a few hours

[signal osprey]

And I did it with plat clicks for a bit before gold skull got it to 1 hour

[barren otter]

really wanna finish thread vial too

[signal osprey]

Currently end game can click every ore up to void

[rustic garnet]

man, my CC gain rate has went through the roof

[signal osprey]

And every log up to alien

[rustic garnet]

I'm now getting 2.5k liquid per cc

[barren otter]

i did this for void until it hit atom range

then kinda stopped

[rustic garnet]

Oh and the reason why it was bad is because at some point in the past, people were giving wrong advice in this channel

[signal osprey]

That hasnt changed though

Half the shit I read in here every day is bad advice lol

People just play the game the way the want and then share those experiences with others

Which tbf is fine

[rustic garnet]

It's fine

but I know at least ONE person who is aggressively wrong about stuff

[pulsar cliff]

Whomever could you mean.

[rustic garnet]

and has no shame and simply says 'I speed urn'

[barren otter]

@signal osprey catching up to your myriad count

[rustic garnet]

I shouldn't rise to it, but he works me up

[barren otter]

although i did just use all of my remaining pens... lol

[rustic garnet]

very nice

[pulsar cliff]

Contract, out of absolutely morbid curiosity. how much construction EXP do your DKs get?

[orchid ferry]

i want the stats tho

[signal osprey]

Soon

[tight ridge]

where can i find the chip calender

[sick sentinel]

W3 chat pins

[rustic garnet]

The base skill efficiency is incredible

[barren otter]

need all of it man

esp skill xp for my vman

[orchid ferry]

no i meant a screeshot of the bonus lol

[rustic garnet]

I think it's linear too

[barren otter]

O

one sec

[signal osprey]

After the first 10-15k it gets pretty bad

[lavish quiver]

Myriad? No

[rustic garnet]

oh? so not linear?

[signal osprey]

You already have like half of the total bonus

[barren otter]

at 40k

[rustic garnet]

ahh ok

[lavish quiver]

at 20k you have over half the bonus

[orchid ferry]

thats so sad lol

[barren otter]

hey man

its a bar to fill

and i will fill it

[orchid ferry]

how did you click so much lol

[orchid ferry]

was it legit?

[signal osprey]

If I was gonna bother cheating with an auto clicker I would at least finish the box lol

[rugged thistle]

question as somone who has only really played barb for dungeons and has lvled weapon to start at icebreak how am i to get the lower weapons for other classes?

[signal osprey]

Yes its legit

Its also painful

[tight ridge]

nice the second card doubler is in december lol

[orchid ferry]

no kidding

[barren otter]

i sit there a click a couple hundred times every other day

[rustic garnet]

you get it for having a higher weapon

[signal osprey]

I used to just do 100 a day for quite awhile

[lavish quiver]

You automatically get them if you get a higher tier

[rugged thistle]

ahh kk thanks

[tawdry epoch]

Yea just had it 2 times sadly early july and this week i think

[nocturne matrix]

Why we can't use candies in w5?

[signal osprey]

Candy has never been allowed in the newest world

When world 6 comes out you'll be able to use it in world 5

[worthy gyro]

Can golden hampter be boosted by food effect bonus and golden food bonus?

[sick sentinel]

only golden food bonuses

[worthy gyro]

Thanks 🙂

[rustic garnet]

20k scaling is ok

but going from 20->50 seems much lower

[signal osprey]

This is max

[hardy bloom]

wait how did you guys get past 400/800?

[barren otter]

just how that box works

[signal osprey]

Myriad caps at 100k

[barren otter]

now i just need the salts...

[lapis mesa]

dont we all

[barren otter]

[lapis mesa]

i almost have my refinery fixed, couple more levels and ill just have a flow going

this is months in the making now

[barren otter]

yea i just got nullo to 4 the other day

still takes a bit to get 10k for the skull though

[lapis mesa]

need to do a vman run, go for some mob samples.. i just dont wanna

[hardy bloom]

ohhh

[lapis mesa]

wonder if i ran world 1 through and get to snowmen in time

[indigo vector]

Refinery has a max rank?

[lapis mesa]

not really, just takes some extended time at later ranks, months/years kinda thing

[zealous niche]

Max realistically achievable rank yes

[opaque sun]

it probably effectively caps at rank 2.1b on mobile

[zealous niche]

Also you want your ranks in proportion so they can run effectively too

[indigo vector]

Oh so a soft cap

Is it 20 for every salt tho

[opaque sun]

for red redox, there isnt really a softcap as the interval to rank up gets faster

The requirement caps out

not the rank

[zealous niche]

But also this

#midgame-chat-w3🧊w4🔮 message

[lapis mesa]

its 11 days to my next rank up, keep trying to find ways to push it

[zealous niche]

You want to have a perpetual salt set-up so your other salts aren’t consuming all your salts

[opaque sun]

So past certain rank, the required amount of salts to rank up stays the same, while the capability to make salts increase limitlessly

soon it only takes one day to rank up a salt, which become 2 times a day, and eventually like once every hour and so on

[pulsar cliff]

Man what rank is it when you're firing that bad boy daily??

[opaque sun]

Like around rank 50-60

[lapis mesa]

i keep forgetting about speedruns other ability, my vman has access to citringes for leveling purposes

[opaque sun]

Eventually the other salts too ranks up daily because you will have way enough salts of the previous tier

[pulsar cliff]

That seems bonkers lol.

I'm at 34 ish and that seems like months away.

[opaque sun]

and that is what making squire’s damage talent being the king right now

[eternal mantle]

wouldn't that make materials a real issue

[opaque sun]

As long you print 1000m of them, not really

[wanton obsidian]

Hi can I ask whats the hardest part about getting vman? Which should I be doing gradually so it gets easier

[lapis mesa]

none of it especially hard, semi tedious really. Youll need 1 million deathnote on every w1-3 mob. your maestro will need to have 12 million green mushroom kills on their deathnote. thats really the time issue

[wanton obsidian]

How long did it take U to get 12m kills?

[tawdry steeple]

1.3m atoms in less than 20 hours thanks to omni procs lul

[slow beacon]

My squad has dementia gear (my main ES has better), and I want to upgrade everyone. Do you think jumping straight to endgame gear is too ambitious?

[hexed elm]

does the atom stamp discount work until i max out a stamp?

im unclear on the wording

[tacit tulip]

it's a discount on the material cost

then resets to 0

[hexed elm]

so the next time i spend materials to upgrade a stamp it will reset?

[brisk bay]

was 4k

[wooden elk]

Until you hit the next max level. So if it's 44/48, it will apply when you get it past the 48 'increase max level's threshold.

Then reset

[hexed elm]

so its probably best for me to spend the discount on the cooking stamp

[gentle furnace]

first priority is multitool

[lapis mesa]

what map is Poigu on then?

[hexed elm]

lampar lake

[lapis mesa]

ooh the next one..sweet, lmao.. my div sucks though. something to work on

[zealous niche]

That’s enough to get you to snail

[hexed elm]

what if i dont have that unlocked for a long time

[dapper prism]

Even 10k is more than fine for snail

[hexed elm]

the only 2 chars i have pushed to lampar lake are 16 and 25 div lvl

the 25 one is my main

[lapis mesa]

highest is 29, on someone whos nowhere near lampar 🙂 its good though, I pulled all my test tube peeps out for this week reset to pusha nd get them class levels, theyll be back in their tube getting those div levels next reset

[dapper prism]

doing discount stamps if u dont have multitool yet, focus on high/hard to obtain cost stuff, many of which is in Misc, like Mason Jar, Golden Food or stuff requiring the anvil produced items like crystallin.

Stuff like Cooking stamp requires base resources from a skill which are easy enough to get.

[fast grail]

At how many bubble unlocks are you guys stopping at rn? Just getting W6 ones or going to w7/8?

[dapper prism]

I didn't even do w6 ones yet, seems like it would be annoying af when i try to get to w5 bubble page as i couldnt spam click to hit the last page anymore xd

[fast grail]

The bubbles themselves dont show, but the arrow lights up, it doesnt stop from spam clicking to w5

[dapper prism]

It does, since you end up on page 6 without bubbles so you'd have to go down 1 page again

[sick sentinel]

the clicking stops on the last set of bubbles if thats what ur saying

last current ones

[dapper prism]

I thought you still get to the next page*?

[sick sentinel]

cant go to it

stops at the w5 ones

[dapper prism]

Oh then guess that's not bad xD

[fast grail]

That cauldron has up to w7 bubbles

[sick sentinel]

whats the cost for w7 bubbles?

[fast grail]

273m

[gentle furnace]

0.1%?

[sick sentinel]

gotcha im at 102 on some

[fast grail]

Indeed, this is at a 270 talent, could get more but cant be asked to book it rn

[dapper prism]

Mhm that's not even that bad then

[fast grail]

52m is all of w6, so thats already into w7 bubbles

[sick sentinel]

sweet

i can forget about it for now haha

[dapper prism]

Yay, 2nd cape 🥳 (~ 7k keys 16x DR)
https://i.imgur.com/l7JtuH2.png

[zealous niche]

I’m just using up to w5 then doing sigils and liquids

[signal osprey]

I haven't really bothered unlocking future bubbles

I would end up forgetting to move people off cauldrons

[dapper prism]

Yeh becuase it sounds/seems pretty easy ?

[signal osprey]

And then remember like 3 weeks later after all that sigil time is wasted

Plus I figure it shouldnt be that hard to unlock a few bubbles by the time we do actually get more added

[dapper prism]

50m brew per hour with 100h skips every 15 mins => 20b brew/hour

[sick sentinel]

itd be ez af with the cc numbers we're getting now

[gray thicket]

For?

[dapper prism]

10k nullo salt per last skull

One doesnt use slush skulls, they are terrible, but an ingredient to make the last one.

[gray thicket]

[gray thicket]

It's my best skull

[signal osprey]

I promise its not. The crafted skulls are better. Even some of the earlier ones

[dapper prism]

It's slow, very slow charge rate

[signal osprey]

Slush skull has less charge speed than the skull you can buy from W3 shop

[dapper prism]

Even the base skull will probably be better xD

[zealous niche]

Charge rate is everything.
If you’re hitting capacity, you need to use it more frequently

[gray thicket]

Dang

[dapper prism]

Yup, it's HALF the charge rate than the lvl 1 shop skull

[fast grail]

I had been lazy about unlocking w5 during w4 and regretted not having them unlocked when w5 came out, so unlocking to w7 on all cauldrons

[fast grail]

Slush skull gives best defense tho

[wise root]

hey lads im going through trying to green stack everything how do people do the ketchup bottles and stuff or do i need to not have completed the quest

[dapper prism]

gotta have not completed the quest, like on an alt maybe

Or wait until new character slot comes out

[wise root]

ahhhhh okie my alt definitely isnt ready for greenstacking just yet

[slow beacon]

tfw all your characters finished the quest already T.T

[wise root]

thats harsh hopefully he implents a thing to repeat all quests or something

[opal crown]

Hi

[wise root]

for this reason but then i guess you could just farm it for the gold food or something

[opal crown]

I’m a furry

Pls don’t hate me

[slow beacon]

Hot take, quest items just shouldn't be green-able

[wise root]

i mean that also makes sense tbh

[granite grove]

do you play idleon or no?

[dapper prism]

Agreed, as it just causes more issues.

[opal crown]

Ye

Nin

[signal osprey]

After awhile you won't care about green stacks enough to worry about it anyway

[wise root]

yeah what point is that?

[opal crown]

Play Legends of Idleon

[gray thicket]

How do I get this up?

[wise root]

cause i feel like im starting to approach midgame

[opal crown]

Idk

[fast grail]

For me it was like 120 greenstacks i stopped caring

[signal osprey]

Once you're satisfied with your damage really. Once you have a few trillion damage theres really no need for more

[dapper prism]

1k book checkout achievement, atom collider and most important, fury artifact sailing

[wise root]

yeah thats fair im using it to push to 1b so yeah only at 750 mil atm

[granite grove]

salt lick bonus and one sailing artifact that boost the cap, also few more but these 2 are obtainable quite early in

[gray thicket]

awesome

[heavy moth]

saw tony at around 160 i think not stopping lower than that

[signal osprey]

For reference I guess I should mention that I currently have 156 green stacks

[ember kite]

For tower defence does storm caller 120% crit do anything?
or would it be better to do 100% and a 200% damage to below 60% hp

[pulsar cliff]

I have 110 and don't really worry about them anymore.

[dapper prism]

I'm currently satisfied at the 200b to 500b (non-es) and 1t+ on ES range, although with new boss the non ES would like some extra dmg

[opal crown]

By

[wise root]

ah ok i have 22 tbh

[dapper prism]

It's a small part, but still important, Make sure to not hoard/stack books as each book takes way longer to charge.

[wise root]

im just getting some of the w1 materials that i need especially for anvil aswell

[granite grove]

at 100% crit rate, any further would be a waste

[ember kite]

copy

[dapper prism]

You mean 200%?

You want 200% crit chance

[vagrant mountain]

tower defense megacrit??

[zealous niche]

Use all books, don’t wait for the 20 max book from arm

[fast grail]

My damage is
Still have yellow damage on sheet

[dapper prism]

oh didnt see the TD part xD

[gray thicket]

Oh wow, didn't know that

I currently have 30 book checkouts

[dapper prism]

Should see or realize the time gets really long xD
Either way, always checkout the books when you remember... as it's also overall account progression

[zealous niche]

Use them!

[dapper prism]

more damage, more skilling talent stuff => more 3D samples

[prisma drift]

How low should my 0-20 be before I start max booking?

[zealous niche]

Any talent still at 100 should get a book, any important ones should be put roughly close to your max

[signal osprey]

If you have max book levels you should probably 20 book regardless of you 0-20 time

[dapper prism]

You only 20x book when you have max book stuff (245)

[gray thicket]

Every time I ask anything here I realize I was doing it wrong, very wrong

[zealous niche]

I waited until I had max 245 levels

[wise root]

im only worrying about it when i get tot the max book level

[prisma drift]

I’ve been doing small books and hoping for multiple 240’s

I have max book level

But there’s 10 characters with so many skills to book

[signal osprey]

We all start somewhere. I got better at the game because I realized I was awful at the game

[zealous niche]

🌈 The more you know

[dapper prism]

Definetelly get 245 books on some of your core stuff asap. But doing some single checkouts for some random stuff isn't too bad.

[prisma drift]

I did max books for my vman talents and my mage logging talents

Because atoms

[wise root]

my favourite part about a game like this is theres so much to learn but you can in time do it however you like

[signal osprey]

I would max all sampling talents on everyone

[prisma drift]

Been doing single checkout for damage skills

[gray thicket]

[zealous niche]

Bubo CC critical talents, key damage on all chars, main stat talents

[prisma drift]

I’ll start saving my books up

[dapper prism]

#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸 message

Could have easily missed some stuff there

[slow beacon]

I'm spamming singles at least until I get that 1k book cheevo

[signal osprey]

Yeah thats the best approach

[prisma drift]

My first stuff was vman

Maxed like all his talents

[dapper prism]

that sounds excessive

[prisma drift]

I meant the useful ones haha

[dapper prism]

xD

[signal osprey]

You'll have enough books to max everything eventually anyway

[prisma drift]

After vman I did tent CC and aura

[dapper prism]

New max book by then 😭

[prisma drift]

Now I’m working on skilling

[signal osprey]

I'm at the point where I'm contemplating just not using books anymore

[dapper prism]

Effy + active skill (from skilling)

[signal osprey]

I have very little to gain from them so theres an argument to be made to just bank them up and 20 book high prio skills when we get new max level

I'm already done with sampling talents on everyone

And a lot of damage talents too

[lavish quiver]

I mean the time for books slows down to a crawl tho, like really bad doesn't it? I took a break once and i remember being in the 40s maybe 50s

[signal osprey]

Yeah but I have some characters who I've booked every single talents thats even worth taking on them

[vagrant mountain]

my 0-16 book speed is same speed as my 16-20

[signal osprey]

Like yeah banking books is a waste but at this point the books I'm spending are barely doing anything too

Just finished doing all my flat health talents for hp snap shots on mining

[dapper prism]

0 to 20 takes me 8.5h atm, but i often only do it once a day since i forget too often xD

[lavish quiver]

I still spam 1s and ofter get a max one anyways lol

[hexed crescent]

This is getting unreal

[dapper prism]

I just need some 245's so i won't have to respec down the future. Trying to cap base stats on everyone at max talent like:
https://i.imgur.com/2Oh6Z3E.png

[vagrant mountain]

how are you like 500 over cap? 😆

[dapper prism]

Magic

Vman base talent and tab 3+4 max talent

Like these:
https://i.imgur.com/326dk2P.png
https://i.imgur.com/RnqxfDn.png

[vagrant mountain]

but those talents increase your cap?

[dapper prism]

Yes, it says "increases max talent lvl of fist of rage xD

[vagrant mountain]

i meant you are 1271 / 781

[dapper prism]

Oh no clue how/where that math works

[vagrant mountain]

😆

new update: rift slug stacks now

[dapper prism]

Mine is low because i respec my vman, guess you didnt respec yours?

[lavish quiver]

I think its cause yours is from IE right? it probably displays different than the game

[vagrant mountain]

ohhhhh

[vagrant mountain]

nah too lazy to respec

[dapper prism]

not worth keeping the base stat stuff on vman to me 🤷

[signal osprey]

That reminds me I need to speed run again

[vagrant mountain]

makes sense

[signal osprey]

Attempted one a few days ago. Was my first one since he was released

[dapper prism]

Same, but lazy 😦

[vagrant mountain]

my vman still has lvl 100 talents 😆

[signal osprey]

Forgot to turn off midas

Still gained a new high score

[vagrant mountain]

lol yeah i need to do speedrun too, i literally just did 2 got to 28~ portals and called it quits

[pulsar cliff]

I need to run again soon. Keep hitting 54 and just want that little more.

[signal osprey]

I got 52 on release and then 53 on the midas run

[graceful bramble]

BRO

[signal osprey]

Which I know I might have a skill issue but I'm pretty sure I should be able to get like 60 at this point

[dapper prism]

whats ur vman dmg at?

[signal osprey]

I can gear him up and check in a minute. I'm gonna actually not be lazy and do my run

[dapper prism]

Sounds good, that kinda motivates me to do mine xD

[summer folio]

hmm cheesy

[hexed crescent]

You're so lucky for getting sandy pot

[astral knoll]

its better to farm these to woodulars than sticks?

[dapper prism]

imagine being so lucky you have 3 sandy pots.. and here i am with none..
https://i.imgur.com/Dz9ld8N.png

[hexed crescent]

Doot nerd

[wanton obsidian]

Bruh moment

[dapper prism]

Damn nice 😮

[slow beacon]

I'm missing custard slug and doot, that feels pretty avg

[lapis mesa]

yeah me to

[dapper prism]

What card set you using for the run?

[lapis mesa]

skill efficiency to troll

[spring ingot]

thats a lot of stars

[fast grail]

What is your skillage at for that damage?

[gentle furnace]

Es wise yes

[slow beacon]

Is there a way to name boats? I think it's kinda silly that all the boats say 'Boaty Boat' (lv)

[signal osprey]

281 talent level

[fast grail]

Damn, i need to step up my damage and skills

[signal osprey]

I need to skill more too but honestly its mostly alch

[rustic garnet]

boats are incredly awful in general

[signal osprey]

I had like 100b damage during my first speed run and I think my fishing has gone up maybe 5 levels

[fading cape]

I missing just custard and frog. Like... frog... come on man

[rustic garnet]

like, the fact the boats in game dont' say where they are going

and you can't interact with them in any way other than sending a captain home, again, not knowing where they are going

[dapper prism]

The whole boat UI is just.. ehhh

[fading cape]

yeah imagine you were a harbor master and you had 20 ships on your dock. And you just pointed at a captain and a boat and an island and said, "go on, git".

No book, no documentation. Just pointing. That's the boat UI

[graceful rivet]

does running idleon in a smaller window cause less lag?

[wanton obsidian]

For me yes

[fast grail]

What even is the main damage in alc for vman? Mostly just base damage bubbles or you atom the luk bubble a lot for main stat?

[dapper prism]

1 bubble in each color on last page

I think it's:
last bubble orange
2nd last bubble green
5th last bubble purple (not last purple, wrong text)

[fast grail]

Hmm, guess i can start by pushing those bubbles to 90%, 95% seems out of reach at least for now for me

[slow beacon]

I only learned like last week about the whole 'level orange bubbles on a warrior' discount

[gray thicket]

I'm kind of disappointed It only increased by 5k, what should I do to increase it a bit more?

[dapper prism]

it scales exponentially, level all your meals, fastest ones first

[frigid acorn]

[dapper prism]

||https://i.imgur.com/2wDSU7v.png||

^ at 2.7k meals

[gray thicket]

Wanna exchange accounts?

[granite grove]

pay up

[fading cape]

anyone know the math on the refinery cycle speed vial? Worth using 100k red salts on level 7 if I have 624k red salt and my next rank will give 800?

[fast grail]

I should prob work on meals again huh, have chowed a decent bit

[dapper prism]

my last few superchows left, havnt had him in kitchen for weeks now..
https://i.imgur.com/8BFENoi.png

[sick sentinel]

wait are superchows tracked now?

[dapper prism]

they've been on toolbox
https://idleontoolbox.com/account/apocalypses?c=squire&b=4

[signal osprey]

It's base damage bubbles

[dapper prism]

same spot as chow, but it stays until it hits 100m then vanishes

[sick sentinel]

damn thats nice

[signal osprey]

Either hourly click name I guess or atom quick slap

[sick sentinel]

i never looked lol

[signal osprey]

Base damage bubbles are the best damage in the game regardless of which bubble or which class

[dapper prism]

Only thing it doesnt show is the hidden mob zow/chow stuff

[fast grail]

What is your name I guess at? Mine is still hella low, just started being able to hourly click it a few days ago

[granite grove]

the base dmg formula has (lv^2)/100 as part of the formula so that thing pops off hard later on

[sick sentinel]

thats all the info i needed, thanks m8

[signal osprey]

Yeah its quadratic scaling. Every level is actually better than the last rather than worse like most bubbles

[fast grail]

Damn, thats close to what my bubble 1s are at

[signal osprey]

It starts off slow but its addes up over time

[slow beacon]

does the price cap out or something? That's busted

[tawdry steeple]

I could be wrong but the speed one might be best overall

[signal osprey]

Alch bubbles are capped at 1000m cost

[dapper prism]

was there a way to see if i did weekly HH ?

[signal osprey]

And yeah technically quick slap is the best scaling of the 3 regardless of class

[granite grove]

[(lv^2 / 100) + lv*1.01] * stat scaling

stat scalings:
HP is log10(HP-250)
MP is log10(MP-150)
MS is (MS-110)/25 [if i remember correctly for this]

[signal osprey]

But it requires atoms to push heavily whereas name I guess can be printed so its a lot easier to manage

[granite grove]

and with quick slap, MS is kinda easily stackable unlike other 2 so it goes off super fast

[signal osprey]

Also keep in mind these bubbles are boosted by bubble 2 as well

[tawdry steeple]

I get a click every so often, I'm printing about 2m an hour coconots

[signal osprey]

So when I say quick slap is the best scaling of the 3 we're talking at like 4k+ or something maybe even higher

Because it has to beat out bubble 2 on name I guess but yeah it will do it eventually

[little pagoda]

Is the nuggest just a straight multiplier for gaming? If I wait a day or so I can unlock it, I'm assuming I should?

[signal osprey]

Yeah

[granite grove]

yeah, a big multiplier too, but also very rng heavy

[dapper prism]

My nugget has been trolling me 😦

Time to do my void run

Nearly started it with midas

[signal osprey]

I got a 59 so I guess I'm shit or something

I know people with less than half my damage hitting 60+

[sick sentinel]

yeah u suck

[dapper prism]

Mhm, i just got to 57, 120b dmg (still on green knuckles + magma) PS: Forgot to change card set

[sick sentinel]

[dapper prism]

Where in ie or it did it show vman xp reduction from crystals?
Looks like dashboard shows it once u hit the cap in it, but i thought you could see them all in an overview somewhere too

[little pagoda]

The way I see it, is anything is better than nothing which is what I have now

Even a 2 nugget would double my bits

[fast grail]

IE > Players >Vman> Skills > bottom of page

[dapper prism]

Oh rip, ty. Had to scroll down for the vman one to see it xD

[fast grail]

Yeah used to not have to, then W5 came along . . .

[dapper prism]

Bugged? couldnt kill it, like wave 1 already, now it keeps looping into the totem (not losing hp me or it but cant kill it either

[sick sentinel]

ive had mobs on other tds do that too

[muted bramble]

How long does gaming takes to upgrade a T5 tree and bush ?

trying to get unlocks

[fast grail]

#1106590058947035247 message

[sick sentinel]

a decent amount of time

if you have chem plant stock up on those, if not then try your darndest to get chem

[muted bramble]

im trying to get chem

just ... aint going my way

[fast grail]

Chem was pure BS, think it took around 5 months for me to get chem

[lapis mesa]

think i need another 20 CCs and ill max speed on cauldrons, man that cost scales hard

[muted bramble]

mmh im not sure i know wtf im doing

[fast grail]

Thats for T6, look at the bottom and go to the T5 sheet if you are trying to T5s

[muted bramble]

does that checks out as normal ?

[dapper prism]

Remember the time includes chem+log time skips

[muted bramble]

so.... i dont have chem

[dapper prism]

Still counts if you had it xD

[muted bramble]

and i average like 6h time skip

[fast grail]

Indeed, T5 and T6 are rough, without chem it becomes even more difficult

[muted bramble]

is there a .... P2W way for gaming ?

just for.. knowledge

[fast grail]

Just the golden sprinkler

[tall dirge]

say i got all the dice obol i need, is there another map apart from pots, that will get me more all round obols, for the point of fragments ?

[dapper prism]

I've gotten 4 or 5 T6's in the past roughly 1.5 weeks or so

[dapper prism]

Snelbie, or w3 bloodbone. snelbie may be easier?

[fast grail]

for frags, sandcastles was best iirc

[tall dirge]

bloodbornes have 2 bronze obols up for grabs

sand castles, thanks

[fading dust]

What is with the chances of getting an Eldritch artifact... It's so low

[crisp silo]

its low

[dapper prism]

be sure to get tusk on first island

[zealous niche]

They’re meant to be capstone for sailing, so yes, difficult

[fading dust]

I shall attempt the tusk

[fervent brook]

How much does sail up bit gain? I have hit a wall (unless I get lucky with nugget lol) and might just save up for snail.

[dapper prism]

A fair amount

[lapis mesa]

3 Hrs afk at Cits, 18 levels for the Vman. Neat

[fervent brook]

Thought so. I still need to get lucky with nugs but at least I can make some progress with snail in the meantime.

[dapper prism]

Oh if you have snail then that's the best thing, and also your worst enemy at the same time xD

At least there's an atom now to failsafe its reset

[tall notch]

From 427 gold nugget to 6577

Damn

[dapper prism]

Gz!

[swift pecan]

Finally bit the bullet and did pet arena 200, broke 1b damage with vman finally so worth it

[dreamy igloo]

what a wonderful idleon day, got all gold artifacts unlocked, unlocked immortal snail, and unlocked construction in the rift 😁

[hardy bloom]

hello sirs, what are the good maps for CC in w4 and w5

[lapis mesa]

i believe that answer is cans/floms Citringe/Wurms

my bubo aint quite cut out for w5 so i cant really speak for it

[hardy bloom]

yeah same, i can kill citringes but the crystal mobs are my problwm

[spring ingot]

does anything work for divinity xp

like balloons or orbs

[hardy bloom]

iirc, it doesnt work

[spring ingot]

pearls or anything

[hardy bloom]

i think i tried it before

idk abt pearls hto

try using the lvl 30 max pearl first see if it works

[spring ingot]

nope doesnt work

[hardy bloom]

if im aiming for suggma recipe drop, what chara should I use

[fast grail]

Active ES is pretty good at getting the recipe

[hardy bloom]

ohh okay sir thanks

[crisp silo]

gd luck soldier

[hardy bloom]

my dr is 4.55x, wish me luck

[crisp silo]

oh hell no

[hardy bloom]

AHAHHAHAH

[crisp silo]

we have ppl on 10x dr going for weeks

[white badger]

I wouldn’t even bother for that recipe

[hardy bloom]

thats why i dont rlly use my ES

[dreamy igloo]

you can try to boost defense post office box if you're having problems with crystals

[crisp silo]

es is the rare drop farmer

[hardy bloom]

that crate worth it than using boxes on other crates?

[white badger]

The recipe for suggma drop you won’t be using

Unless you really want a new weapon for vman

[dreamy igloo]

meh its only base defense not total% but any bit helps

[sharp igloo]

Whats better for active farming coins at wurms, bubo or ES? Im assuming bubo but just wanted to make sure

[dreamy igloo]

bubo fo sho

[sharp igloo]

Okay thanks. Even if my ES has 4x as much damage? Does multikill even effect coins?

[dreamy igloo]

dont know to be honest you could do a test with both and see if you get better rates

[spring ingot]

What to do with all this skilling talent points

[dreamy igloo]

increase in libary check out

[spring ingot]

how much does it increase by?

[sharp igloo]

Max book is 245 i think

[spring ingot]

damn

I'm only at 155

[sharp igloo]

But skills can go up to like 310 with the last skill on the last page

[dreamy igloo]

depends on how you have unlocked I think if you have rift 41 unlocked its 345

[spring ingot]

That's a lot of mats

[fresh plank]

Can ya'll flex on me your best sailing captains? so I know the standard

[sharp igloo]

Its 245, and you dont need rift 41

Just rift 21 or 26 or whatever eldritch artifacts are at for eldritch fury

[dreamy igloo]

ye I saw in the cinstruction rift if you hit lvl 1000 it adds +100 max lvl to libary check outs

only at 950 right now so I need to confirm lol

[sharp igloo]

That just adds 100 max levels to the building itself, not the book level

[sharp wind]

That the building lvl not max lvl talent

[dreamy igloo]

am I mistaken on lvl 1000?

[sharp igloo]

Yeah, it just raises this.

[dreamy igloo]

thats messed up yo

[sharp igloo]

I know lol, I was disappointed too

[dreamy igloo]

I want that 345 max lvl range for bubo

[sharp igloo]

You can still get to like 310 if you have a super high level ES.

[vocal ibex]

Fuck yes guys check this out I finally got the last pet !!!!!

[sharp igloo]

My cranium cooking is 305 rn

[vocal ibex]

Got the slime finally!

[dreamy igloo]

got all of them except doot

[dreamy igloo]

when i get it im changing my name to Dootdaddy96

[dreamy igloo]

have you reached lvl 120 in alchemy?

[vocal ibex]

I'm stuck on lvl 65.. it's slow

[dreamy igloo]

CC helped alot and play to win tab for exp and speed

[void badge]

whats the max forge capacity for bars?

[vocal ibex]

What's cc 🤣

[void badge]

💳

[dreamy igloo]

lolol cranium cooking talent

[vocal ibex]

I bought all the stuff worth gold from the couldren shops the "pay to win" which use gold coins

[dreamy igloo]

do you active play?

[wheat kiln]

Guys wtf build rate on construction get down for no reason?

Lava need to fix this

[void badge]

lol its the cons obols

and talents of warriors

[karmic sun]

its always higher on your DK

[dreamy igloo]

two factors Red salt being used up and checking your construction on DK

[granite grove]

did you log on non warrior characters? or used up all red salts?

[vocal ibex]

I don't I work long hours

[wheat kiln]

I don't use red salt and I always log on dk

My better dk becousei have 2

But from 10.6 milion buld rate I have 7 m build rate

Now

Lol you right guys . My red salt being use i onli have 24 red salt

Ahahahhahaha

[fallen juniper]

anyone have their Bubo just stop auto using spells?

[opaque sun]

build rate is highest if you active on a warrior with construction obol, but also game is bugged to penalize any active character’s construction exp gain when active

[void badge]

some things are just such a shit show lol

[hardy bloom]

remove your lightning and the potion skill

or put them in 3rd row, and put the skills with higher importance

in first*

[fallen juniper]

not on the bar.

[hardy bloom]

hmmm

even on other rows?

[fallen juniper]

have to go and manually cast spell then it starts working for a bit b4 it stops again

[hardy bloom]

im sorry i dunno whats wrong, lets just wait for others

[fallen juniper]

nvm damn syringe hidhing on 3rd bar

[hardy bloom]

oh

try testign it again if it goes well

[fallen juniper]

thanks though ❤️

[hardy bloom]

u not using wand?

[fallen juniper]

seems like it is

no

[hardy bloom]

ohhh thats why

[fallen juniper]

using Boxing glove

[hardy bloom]

btw is it worth it to force ancient fury mask

even though my other ships are struggling

and ancient rate is v low?

i wanna reach 200 on bubo cd reduc skill

so that it will reduce 3 secs

[fallen juniper]

i cant say i got lucky and got it maybe 4 days of sitting on it but i could make the 2hr mark with my boast

boats

[hardy bloom]

ohhhh then i guess i wont do it yet

[fallen juniper]

id probably keep the boats that can do the 2 hr on it still while having others go to islands to get materials for upgrading boats. though i am not sure that is efficient

[hardy bloom]

btw cd reduc bubo skill wont affect cc right?

[fallen juniper]

it does

[cobalt moat]

Yikes man. Ty though, sorry to hear ;w;
Which fishing skill do u mean btw? The instacatch one or sth?

[sharp wind]

Any point upgrading more than this?

Or is it still 44,XX%?

[royal olive]

After i get all the "reasonable" ancient artifacts, whats the sailing strategy/boat placement?

[sharp wind]

Get other missing artifact

[willow drum]

44.505% ~

[sharp wind]

So 900 45?

[willow drum]

900 is 45

[sharp wind]

Alright thanks

[royal olive]

They are from islands that are 100m away. my fastest boat is 20m

[sharp wind]

Then get resource > upgrade > repeat

Might considered get some loot value

And maybe boat speed if u need more

That being said i only got 1 boat that has 100m speed

[royal olive]

The captain options are pretty shite everyday but i always look for reasonable speed

[opaque sun]

if you have all other artifacts, might as well send to that 100m as sending to other island is not like gonna get you artifacts

[royal olive]

is it not better to farm low level mats to upgrade boats? rather than sending them for 2 days trips to 100m island

[fast grail]

might as well keep pushing 95% of maxmium effectiveness is at 1900, gives a 47.5% bonus

its a free hourly click, so might as well

[sharp wind]

Im gonna stop at 900 since my chopping still at 150ish

Gonna start upgrading my chopping first

[opaque sun]

Depends on how bad your boat upgrades are. If you been neglecting it prior, getting upgrade mats will help alot

But if you been upgrading regularly, you may find not much improvement

[stuck elbow]

this pos has fken failed 5 times already...

[dense eagle]

please tell me i am not the only one with more tworms then gmush

[barren otter]

I'm almost at 2x wurms over gmush

cause somehow after 28k keys I have 1 cape only

[haughty cove]

wait wtf???

how do i bave atoms???

some one explain pls

[fast grail]

stacks over 1050m are converted no matter what,

[haughty cove]

AHHHHH

ty for info

[uncut owl]

doot still alive?

[haughty cove]

yup

stronger then ever

[uncut owl]

I haven't played since that update came out

[haughty cove]

download and play

[vagrant mountain]

game good

doot stronk

[foggy kite]

Fk i beat nkattle down to 200b with my bb and accidentally clicked the portal...

[modern dome]

Hi guys I just reached w5, is there any way to increase max chest capacity in sailing? My max rn is 5 and Im losing lots of loot

[sudden cloak]

I am setting up my ES for gmush and equipped Nobisect divinity. I ran a couple of tests and it seems that the 2x effect isn't working? I have 1.7mil kills/hr and death note increases by1.7mil/hr and not 3.4mil/hr

[vagrant mountain]

nobisect shows up in your afk info

[sudden cloak]

Ok thanks. Then Snehebatu is ultimately better for gmush. I get 2mil/hr with that divinity.

[latent chasm]

did lava say when update was coming

the boat one

[vagrant mountain]

cant you equip both on ES?

[sudden cloak]

That is what I overlooked! I forgot about that talent.

Well now the second link bonus is not working. I have it at 0 for Snehebatu and have linked Nobisect. I am not getting the 30% afk gain increase.

[vagrant mountain]

idk restart game?

[sudden cloak]

I have done that on both mobile and pc. Nothing. Hmm. I'll try again tomorrow. I don't want to waste my time candies if I can sneak in another mil gmush per hour. Thanks for the help.

[iron ravine]

When its done

[potent maple]

you will upgrade plenty very quickly without worrying about it, just make sure you're focusing on all characters on divinity while new to w5, even your lab dudes! check pins for more info

so yes there are ways to increase max capacity, and talents that you'll unlock soon that help as well

[modern dome]

I see thanks!

[wanton obsidian]

Why is it that my ES gets more XP than my other chars

[potent maple]

what god is it linked to?

[vagrant mountain]

it is es specialized skill

[ocean fox]

Can you have multiple knight disciple out if u have the voidwalekr talent at 200?

[wanton obsidian]

Don't think it works like that

Maybe specialised but it's not an efficiency thing

[wanton obsidian]

Sec

[potent maple]

yeah, its tab 4 talent applies to everyone but the one doot enjoyer posted makes sense applying only to the ES

[vagrant mountain]

should apply to your bubo too

[wanton obsidian]

Ahh I didn't know that

Alr I just checked I think that's why

I'll do that on bubo too

[vagrant mountain]

most of your divinity exp bonus will come from outside sources anyways, like stamps/cooking/alchemy/etc

[wanton obsidian]

Does prayer curse affect it too?

[vagrant mountain]

idk probably a little

not worth taking royal sampler off for tho

[potent maple]

hey doot enjoyer, how do you feel about this: because I'm curious, i wish everyone that brags about doot in their name should also put (in parenthesises) how much $$ or how many free rolls they happened to get it, that way we know what to pout about, either good RNG luck or just 💳 jealous lol... thoughts?

[potent maple]

other divnity god bonuses, etc

[vagrant mountain]

got it in 2 packs

less than $50

my choco chip cost more than my doot

[potent maple]

thats hilarious 😄

[vagrant mountain]

expensive :(

[potent maple]

choco was a major game changer point tbh

[wanton obsidian]

Choco chip what kinda buff does it give?

[vagrant mountain]

crystals have 75% chance to spawn new crystals when they die

[potent maple]

there are pre and post choco accounts and you can not compare the two fairly in any way.

[vagrant mountain]

makes crystal farming 5x faster

[wanton obsidian]

Damn op

[vagrant mountain]

its disgusting

not sure which i would choose if i had to between choco chip and doot

[prisma lance]

What is the skill order in the bar for bubo at Wurm?

[potent maple]

which makes exp so fast, and crystal drops so much etc

[vagrant mountain]

prob doot still tbh but choco chip probably close second to anything else in game

[wanton obsidian]

Doesn't that make it so that there's constantly Crystals on your screen?

By the time it's gone another one spawns again

[vagrant mountain]

ive had times where there were more crystals than actual mobs on my screen cuz my dmg was too low

[potent maple]

ooh tough, you'd HAVE to include at "which point in the game" you're speaking to fairly state... when choco came out it was night and day. i can survive without doot for now

[potent maple]

could be, but your damage will grow enough where crystals are made of paper too

[vagrant mountain]

i just know my statues would probably be 1/3 of the levels they are at now if not for choco chip, it also makes a huge difference when grinding exp too because they are 30x exp

[nocturne peak]

Hmmm you guys talking about choco chip being so good, yet i had it for months and never even used it, lol

Maybe a bad move of me

[potent maple]

and its good cuz crystals have so much exp and drop good stuff

[vagrant mountain]

i use choco chip on all my active characters

[potent maple]

do not negative, instead, decide now is the time to learn!

[vagrant mountain]

worthless to have more than one choco chip sadly lol

[potent maple]

nah it makes it so you don't have to keep switching it between characters

since it's worth having on anyone active really

i wouldn't spend $$$ to get more, but more aren't bad

[vagrant mountain]

but ideally there is an afk gain chip instead of choco chip

[potent maple]

no instead

you don't have to pick just one, and you don't have to keep swapping it around if you end up with more

[vagrant mountain]

swapping chips in lab is hella quick tho

[barren otter]

just not enough chips to even put anything there anyways

[vagrant mountain]

dang

[potent maple]

if you're not adhd af and forget all the dang time like i do

[barren otter]

so like ktnbtn said i leave it on there to not have to constantly swap

[vagrant mountain]

you have all the chips that i want

[barren otter]

dude...

keychain and starsign chip just recently went up on the rotation

[vagrant mountain]

oh fk

[barren otter]

didnt have either until recently

[potent maple]

I KNOW!!!! I ACTUALLY GOT THEM TOO!~!

[nocturne peak]

I BARELY managed to get them

[vagrant mountain]

oh i think i didnt have the spices for them

[potent maple]

and a 2nd omega chip or whatever just started this rotation

[barren otter]

starsign doubler on aug 2nd

[nocturne peak]

Spice farming have been an issue

[barren otter]

so

[vagrant mountain]

just unlocked 2nd last

[barren otter]

you got like 10? days

[potent maple]

same for me, once i hit the right level in arena i stopped giving any fucks about breeding and slacked so hard, my spices were messed up for months

i fixed it up damn quick when i saw that chip was on sale and made up the spices in 2 days no problem

[nocturne peak]

Yeah, had no idea how important chips actually were

[potent maple]

i also didn't have a kracken sample and had like 200k of them, got a proper sample and was at like 30m by the time i had the spices

[nocturne peak]

I didnt even had thr krakens

[barren otter]

fuck chips

[nocturne peak]

Finished them with 1hrs left

[potent maple]

still counts! 😄

[barren otter]

after the starsign doubler on aug 2nd there isnt a good chip until nov 1st

such a dumb system

[nocturne peak]

When you get enough of some chips it should just randomly replace them

[potent maple]

there's a player-feedback post you should add to

[nocturne peak]

But lava made it hard so we will buy it with gems, lol

Its suposed to be annoying

[barren otter]

every complaint ive had about chips have already been posted plenty of times in feedback

lmao

[nocturne peak]

So we expend money to not be annoyed

[barren otter]

its just a matter of waiting to see any changes

[vagrant mountain]

no one actually reads feedback, its just an illusion that lava is listening

[potent maple]

so since we said things we don't know much about, i've been hesitant to figure out speedruns, i kept thinking i'd figure it out tomorrow and haven't done it yet, any tips to stop procrastinating on it?

i worry i'm gonna muck something up

[nocturne peak]

I dont think he changes stuff that may make him earn less money tbh

[barren otter]

#1109526896640807002 message

just follow that

see where your dmg/multikill takes you

[potent maple]

that says how to, but what if I mess it up? how bad or permanant is it?

[barren otter]

then you try again the next day lol

[nocturne peak]

I would recommend you just randomly try it a few times, to not be rusty

get the feeling of how it works

[barren otter]

you cant mess up anything in a speedrun that would be detrimental to you

[nocturne peak]

Then you follow the guide to max it out

[potent maple]

i am so worried about messing up that i dont even have all my wood chopper characters with oak samples at all, let alone good ones

[barren otter]

have you even done a single run?

should at least do 1

[potent maple]

yes, 15 portals, near when it came out and there weren't really guides yet

[nocturne peak]

Just remember that killing nightmare boss counts for all 3

[vagrant mountain]

it is literally available every day lol, i sometimes use it just to get samples and dont even kill anything

[nocturne peak]

Try killing the bosses first, you can get crazy respawn speed with the talent

Before you sample

[potent maple]

so i thought it had a week cooldown (in the doot way not the guild reset way)

[vagrant mountain]

oh true

[barren otter]

yea dude glance over the guide and put some attempts in

didnt take me that long to get to 55+ portals

[vagrant mountain]

yeah and then you dont even have to touch it

[potent maple]

i'm not too op but i'm not new either, maybe i can pull it off

[barren otter]

yea 60 isnt happening for a long ass time

[vagrant mountain]

i got 24 my first run

[potent maple]

i'm a slow long time player instead of a new-good player

[vagrant mountain]

got 28 my second run

havent tried since

hehe

[potent maple]

i used that 15 portal run to force my vman to cook some delicious food, but i think he's capable of moar

[sharp wind]

Which guide did u guys use for speedrun?

[barren otter]

these talents are too good

to ignore speedruns

[dapper prism]

why 50 pts in str/agi/wis stuff?

[potent maple]

there is one posted if you scroll up a bit, plus a few easy to find on youtube, i kinda watched a couple of them

[barren otter]

capped on talent lvls for now

[potent maple]

but these folks are right, the best guide is experience, just watch something and try it and you'll be more ready to learn at that point

[dapper prism]

to many variables for vman portal run to "guide" your path

someone will say use MK talent* here, while others will say it's trash to mk there as your dmg won't be enough to get that 2nd portal kinda stuff

[potent maple]

so it seems the best guide it to just start out with something and go from there

[dapper prism]

And just remember what zones ahve second portals

[potent maple]

this is the one i watched closely (dunno if it's the same as posted above) https://youtu.be/_9hPrDin4uQ

[dapper prism]

Like w1+2 plank/snelbie killing one gives portal progress, plank killing more gives giga portal too. mimic having 2nd portal, carrot too etc etc

[barren otter]

the one in #1084911530417606656 points out all the non obvious portals

which is why its a good place to start

[dapper prism]

Just remember, if u follow a guide vid like that where people have 100b or 500b dmg etc. Your portal path and MK talent usage may be very different in terms of efficiency.

[potent maple]

well, i'm convinced, watching all the things has not gotten me any progress, it's time to DO the things

[barren otter]

yea definitely have to adjust when you use void radius

wont line up exactly with most written guides ive seen if your dmg is low like you said it is

[opaque sun]

talent level of the first vman talent greatly affects the highest portals you can reach as it affects the duration of the run

[potent maple]

i didn't say my dmg was low

[sharp wind]

My vman barely 7b damage

[barren otter]

my bad you said not too op figured it was low dmg

[potent maple]

for the time i've been playing, i haven't gotten "all the things" or something, i hardly checked my game more than 2x per week during busy season at work and stuff, but i'm trying to catch up now 😄

[vagrant mountain]

vman is huge for your progression

[wanton obsidian]

Resets when taking a sample on any char?

[dapper prism]

Or, huger:
https://i.imgur.com/2wDSU7v.png

[vagrant mountain]

dang

[dapper prism]

I need to get back to cooking 😦

[potent maple]

this one displays well in the interface, it'll be easy to see

[vagrant mountain]

i need to unlock cooking atom

[dapper prism]

3 superchows left before i kitchen-sit 😦
https://i.imgur.com/8BFENoi.png

[dreamy merlin]

Do you know what meal lvls I need for that talent to not be shit

[dapper prism]

TOTAL, so anything and everything and it adds up exponentially

[vagrant mountain]

idk, it ramps up pretty fast tho, just grab a bunch of 10 stack ladles and hit everything with your ladles, thats what i did

[potent maple]

i thought mine was shit at first then like a week later it was disgustingly powerful

[opaque sun]

resets when pressing the sample talent to be more precise, regardless of if it succeeds or not

[dapper prism]

10? 11 is easier to type on keyboard 👀

[vagrant mountain]

you can drag stacks from the ok button

[barren otter]

i do 22 at at time...

[dreamy merlin]

You can drag the ok button to a slot

[potent maple]

yeah, check your IE or toolbox or whatever prefered,a nd just drop 10 ladlees at a time on the cheapest shit (make sure you have the lab gem activated) and you'll be insane quick

[dapper prism]

still easier to use right side of keyboard and spamm 11-enter or 22, 55, etc. is what i usually do 🤷

[potent maple]

11 or 22 is fine as well, its not min/maxing it but it's dang close and so easy

[vagrant mountain]

hmm prob

[potent maple]

but between that cooking thing and making sure your lab node is activated when spending ladles (A MUST) then you'll be in the insane range in like no time at all

[vagrant mountain]

tbh sometimes i just take my whole stack of ladles and let 'er rip because i cba

[dapper prism]

and bb on proper talents

[potent maple]

i kinda blew it off a bit and saw that every single meal had an upgrade cost of 1 ladle, except for the last few, the most expensive one of which was 11 ladles total

[potent maple]

nah, vman cooking here

vman is a better cook than bb once you get tons of meal recipes

[vagrant mountain]

wat

[dapper prism]

Huh?

[dapper prism]

That's account wide for starters

[potent maple]

25M% speed, and i'm not even good

[dapper prism]

I'm talking about laddle value...

[vagrant mountain]

we talking about afking in cooking area to get ladles

lol

[dapper prism]

I'm just talking about USING laddles

[vagrant mountain]

oh

[dapper prism]

instead of 1h it's like 1h45min on BB

[potent maple]

yup, and with that speed, using them on vman when you're a good cook is so nice

[dapper prism]

Still account wide..

[vagrant mountain]

that skill is active when youre on your bb lol

[potent maple]

yup, account wide

that's with w5 sailing artifacts upping max plate level and stuff too

[unkempt quest]

imagine using ladles on vman

[dapper prism]

Yup, ktn must be trolling xD

[vagrant mountain]

probably mains bm