lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[serene solstice]

xD

its not really high

[quiet pewter]

when you start active bubo liquid farming @little pagoda

[serene solstice]

ppl have 5k on that

[echo crag]

sacrifice rats to the salt lick, then enable the lab node to get bigger max water with slower regen time

[little pagoda]

But what bonus allow for this high of a cap?

Isn't lab bonus like 3x?

[quiet pewter]

cauldron level mostly, and theres vials

[echo crag]

lab is x5 water max

[quiet pewter]

ohh right, theres also a thing in lab that gives x5. but you can hit thousands even without that

[little pagoda]

I gueess p2w tab also helps when I can farm a lot of money I couldn't before

[echo crag]

yup

[tacit tulip]

Salt lick and cooking are both huge cap gains too

[little pagoda]

Money is one of the things I'm happiest about, gonna enable me to upgrade so much stuff

[dreamy spruce]

p2w tab caps out pretty quickly (+80 max)

[little pagoda]

Didn't get to the point in cooking where I get a liquid cap food but that makes sense

[little pagoda]

btw to get millions of critters is it just trap efficicency?

[twin token]

Which one of these should I change out for atom colkider

[dreamy spruce]

[little pagoda]

trapping*

[tacit tulip]

Efficiency and that one Vman talent that explodes your trapping gains

[twin token]

I feel that

[quiet pewter]

sad mouse

[little pagoda]

Right right, vman. I still don't know all the bonuses from him

[dreamy spruce]

my refinery eats too many

[serene solstice]

poisonic tower is probably to early go for death note there

[little pagoda]

Definitely one of my next goals after divinity

[gray thicket]

[quiet pewter]

for trapping does the "set traps using one charcter" thing work correctly or should i have each char do it themselve?

[twin token]

What abt death note?

[serene solstice]

lvl death note up

in const

[little pagoda]

huge

[twin token]

Oh

[hasty veldt]

In world five and

[prisma furnace]

Do you need to set your traps again after, gaining vman?

[twin token]

Ppl said I should get atom tho

[dreamy spruce]

isnt death note a pretty bad upgrade? Since it isnt multikill per tier

[twin token]

It kinda seems bad

[granite grove]

the critter/soul talent kinda pushes you to do skilling hard, even early level like lv60 worship and trapping is strong

[little pagoda]

base multikill so I think yes?

[granite grove]

DN building upgrade bad aside from construction mastery

[little pagoda]

btw when can I get skill mastery? How strong do I need to be for that rift?

[serene solstice]

you mean voidinator or?

[twin token]

Depends what mastery

[granite grove]

rift 16 for skill mastery

[twin token]

How would I confuse atom and void

[granite grove]

construction mastery is like way deep in, dont remember but either 36 or 41

[dreamy spruce]

go voidinator over atom

[little pagoda]

Yeah but like, ballpark, how many millions of damage will I need

[serene solstice]

idk xD

[granite grove]

idk, lets say pretty late in w5 but not endgame

[serene solstice]

but yeah you could go for voidinator too

[dreamy spruce]

atom not useful with low samples and voidinator can help a lot with td

[serene solstice]

(btw tought death note in const was per tier lmao)

[twin token]

Hm ok

[twin token]

O ok

Yeah I'd probs be leveling that if it was per tier

[sharp wind]

Mine at 10m if i remember correctly and finished 46 at 100b damage

[grand karma]

none, assuming your progress with cons is the same for your account, you arent ready for atoms yet

[little pagoda]

10m is very doable

My w4 ES got to boss room at 3.5m ish

[dreamy spruce]

the 100b dmg is what you need for 46

not the 10m

[twin token]

I think i5 is bc I haven't been ignoring construction

[serene solstice]

the thing on poisonic rn is your build rate is pretty low you should focus more on stuff in first row except atom colider

[little pagoda]

Yeah but I still need the first skill mastery which would already be huge

[serene solstice]

for you the lower towers are more usefull for td then a low lvl poisonic

[twin token]

Trapping drone?

[serene solstice]

trapping drone is a good one yes

[dreamy spruce]

This the rift that unlocks skill mastery I think

[little pagoda]

Doesn't it cap at 100% critters?

[twin token]

All the other stuff looks like it's just qol

[tacit tulip]

Dunno if anyone responded but it works. You set one trap on each character using Vman with max EXP buffs (natural trap for exp) then the rest of the traps on your BM with max efficiency to maximise critter drops

[twin token]

Oh library

[grand karma]

you should just start progressing other stuff, dont rush atom collider cuz it would be useless rn

[serene solstice]

?

[tacit tulip]

I have my very lazy trapping setup here

[little pagoda]

I can't even get pirate flag to 10? It imeddiately spawns enemies and spends the coins

[twin token]

I think ima do library

[tacit tulip]

left row is 20hr natural traps and the rest is 40 hour royal traps

[granite grove]

shouldve distributed critters properly or there could be lvl gaps ig

wait nvm theres blobfish

[twin token]

Sounds better than trapping drone bc I'm not in need of many critters rn

[dreamy spruce]

not even on gmush? max the coin talent

[signal osprey]

[serene solstice]

thats normal you increase the flag more from spawning more pladnerous mobs then with killing normal mobs

[little pagoda]

Idk, I haven't used anybody active pretty much since early w4

[tacit tulip]

Gotta kill faster then.

[little pagoda]

Do I need the vman buff or doable without?

[grand karma]

vial?

[signal osprey]

Yeah its already maxed but I only have a couple more days needed to finish the 5* card so just gonna stick to bunnies until thats done too

[twin token]

Ok guys so my prints are actually so bad

Can someone help me to see what I should be printing

I'll post ie in a sec

[grand karma]

print what you can for alchemy progress

[tacit tulip]

Either materials to upgrade your alchemy bubbles to 100m cost (so you can atom it) or oak/copper for atoms

[little pagoda]

Random question are w4 and w5 boss keys the only ones you can farm?

[tacit tulip]

kinda

[twin token]

Yes kinda

[dreamy spruce]

you can colo w2 and w3

[high owl]

why are none of these plants evolving past 4th stage. I'm on 2 days of not harvesting with kat rock activated..

[twin token]

U can get a lot of chiz keys from Slush every day

[little pagoda]

Damn gotta suck to get nightmare boss wings on first 3 then

[twin token]

They're p bad anyways

Only thing u want them for is slab

[little pagoda]

better than none

[serene solstice]

you have the superbits perk?

[twin token]

Wait efsunt is good

I forgot

[signal osprey]

DK in colo gets plenty of W1-W3 keys

[grand karma]

farming w2 collo is pain

[high owl]

which perk

[little pagoda]

Just by having high orb count when destroying chest?

[tacit tulip]

Man the things you could do with those gems. Like get RSI from clicking efaunt kills

[serene solstice]

ok you have it

then you just unlucky

[high owl]

nothing new here lol

[dreamy spruce]

how much dmg do you need to auto efaunt? I dont really do dmg to his head and auto kills that before left side

[tacit tulip]

Yeah, the tier 5 plants are very rare. At your stage you shouldn't be aiming for them

[twin token]

Dr too but that's obv

[signal osprey]

Keys are from the miniboss not the chest but yeah the orb increases them

[tacit tulip]

like, 3 damage. Just use ES ane aoe it

[dreamy spruce]

oh that makes sense

[twin token]

No damage but u can use es or dk or bb and you'll win es

Ez

[high owl]

I was just hoping to log at least one of each for the multiplier bonus

[dreamy spruce]

was thinking vman only, forgot abilities exist

[tacit tulip]

with high enough DR you don't really need vman

[twin token]

I did cman manual efaunt yesterday and it was so painful

Vman*

[tacit tulip]

prior to the big AOE classes you could use coin and lob at the left hands from the middle

[twin token]

Mman*

[tacit tulip]

but it sucked

[twin token]

Yeah it's horrible

[signal osprey]

I already get RSI from getting the colo tickets in the first place I dont need efaunts help

[twin token]

I usually take out the first hand then go to the tip and take out the other two right ands with the rope and then coin the rest

[tacit tulip]

I really should start doing w2 colo runs, it's for the candy right?

[twin token]

Yeah

[signal osprey]

Yeah

[tacit tulip]

getting close to mega chowing w1-4, just getting BB to 425 for the scarf

[twin token]

But w2 colo and efaunt are both the most painful things

[tacit tulip]

after that...candy galore

[dreamy spruce]

Is there a way outside of the daily 3 from NPCs to get colo tickets?

[signal osprey]

I'm a bit of a W2 colo enthusiast

[serene solstice]

efaunt is easy with ES

[granite grove]

nowadays ES makes efaunt farming just like few clicks, still effort intensive compared to other boss tho

[tacit tulip]

w4 PO boxes give them about 20% of the time

[dreamy spruce]

ah

[tacit tulip]

or, might be less often

[twin token]

I like to minmax tho so I use vman

[tacit tulip]

feels like about 1/5

[little pagoda]

For keys or what?

[signal osprey]

Candy

[little pagoda]

Makes sense I guess

[twin token]

It takes a set amount of time tho bc the ores have to despawn

They stay on there even if u finish the wave

[little pagoda]

Are tickets forever limited to 3/day?

[dreamy spruce]

I should candy some DNA, my breeding is lacking :{

[tacit tulip]

ye, can't use midas because of it

[twin token]

Kinda

[ebon bridge]

does maestro right hand affect cooking?

[dreamy spruce]

cant upgrade my last 2 kitchens cuz I havent even discoverd the spices

[signal osprey]

No you get the tickets from rerolling PO box 6

[twin token]

U can get them from po box so they're technically farmable

[mystic mountain]

is w2 or w3 better? 😮

[tacit tulip]

Just w1-3 skills

[little pagoda]

lots of stuff from pen farming it seems

[twin token]

I like w3 more bc of the chiz keys

From slush

[signal osprey]

W2 for more candy/W3 for more sanity

[serene solstice]

I am now at 4h in to amarok gaming

[ocean imp]

what do u think is the best class to farm hampter?

[serene solstice]

ES

[little pagoda]

Is crystal farming meta still DK?

[twin token]

Es

[mystic mountain]

is w3 colo just more auto friendly

[signal osprey]

Not really but you can do two runs per orb with enough duration and its also 1 more ticket per run so you go through your tickets 3 times faster overall

[little pagoda]

So just max crystal talent, pump crystal stamp and get chocloate cookie?

[signal osprey]

You get less gains overall but you spend significantly less time

[tacit tulip]

crystal cards, and card doublers if you have them

[ocean imp]

still es even if my bubo insta resets all? 2 ticks with poison feels like he gets way more kills

[little pagoda]

True

[tacit tulip]

drop rate cards for the rest 🙂

[little pagoda]

My main concern is chocolate cookie since it's gonna take months to be on rotation

[dreamy spruce]

🐳

[little pagoda]

So probably gonna need to do gem shenanigans

not sure if worth though

[mystic mountain]

i feel like it's not worth doing until you get it, the difference before and after is just wild

[little pagoda]

Probably next gem thing I need is gems for lab

[little pagoda]

I meant farm gems to gamble chips

[ebon bridge]

unfortunately, chocolate chip changes the game exponentially

i cannot imagine playing w4/w5 without it at this point

[pulsar cliff]

^

[little pagoda]

I have zero jewels and 1 chip

[tacit tulip]

mmhm, it's a 4x multiplier to crystals

[ebon bridge]

it unlocks statue farming, money farming, and xp farming

[tacit tulip]

tbh if you were gonna colo/key farm for gems I'd buy the jewls first

[mystic mountain]

ah, different story, jewels might be better in your case instead of gambas

[little pagoda]

yeah exactly

[ebon bridge]

yeah jewels also mandatory...

[pulsar cliff]

Any way to ditch a void run early>

[signal osprey]

Go to a dungeon lobby

[little pagoda]

I don't think I'll be able to get this week's jewel either, but next week i can get that free coking speed

[pulsar cliff]

Awesome ty.

[signal osprey]

but you lose your portal progress for a day

So might be better to wait it out

[pulsar cliff]

Didn't follow that first part, any way to rephrase it?

[serene solstice]

enough for now...

[dreamy spruce]

not greenstacking?

[signal osprey]

When you complete a speed run it gives you a bunch of portals based on your furthest progressed characters

[serene solstice]

why should I greenstack that xD

[signal osprey]

If you end the run early through a dungeon that doesnt happen

[tacit tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[signal osprey]

So you wont have all your maps unlocked

[tacit tulip]

ah is that still broken?

[serene solstice]

I still have 775 chizo keys to go trough xD

[pulsar cliff]

AH

[twin token]

If I get 0 gems in Spike minigame do I get gems the next time I try?

Nice thx

[tacit tulip]

yeah, it doesn't use your go if you get nothing

[signal osprey]

All this new DR we've been getting lately is pretty cool. Getting nearly 20k mining/chopping statues an hour at beans now

[dreamy spruce]

damn

[signal osprey]

Think it's time to camp out here for a solid month or so

[stuck elbow]

😮 what is your DR and which class?

[signal osprey]

16.46x DK

[quiet pewter]

is that near max?

[stuck elbow]

are you doubling DR or crystal cards?

[signal osprey]

Double crystal

And no theres ways to improve on it

My second keychain is really bad and my SB plunder count isnt very high yet either

I'm also missing one of the event DR cards too

And I need to finish 5* boss set

[stuck elbow]

godamnn how many kills on SB?

[signal osprey]

I think around 60k

[quiet pewter]

any advice on improving DR? im at 10.5DR and feel that ive used up most of the "easy" sources. i havnt done ruby cards yet though

[signal osprey]

I need to do some more because getting 16.51x is another statue break point

And I dont have any other good ways to get that last 5% right now

[glad crow]

1 wis away from perfect

[stuck elbow]

just level up your w4 pets more 🙂

[signal osprey]

My current DR sources

[signal osprey]

Already at level 5. I could do some more but it would take a little bit

Plus the meal effect % pets are more important imo so I'm finishing level 8 on those right now

If I dont get the 5% by the time those are done I'll probably do the DR pets next

[stuck elbow]

i see, is level 5 200 days or level 6 200 days? not home at the moment to check

at the moment i'm doing 200 days for all of them before moving on

[quiet pewter]

any advice on not rolling bloque 4 times in a row so i can get a good companion?

[slim rose]

Why are starfire bars an absolute pain to get in bulk?

Should i be using oils if im not?

[gentle furnace]

you can either collect 2 min fight afk gain on sb or just use 1 hr candy on gmush

[signal osprey]

I believe its 5 to 6 that is 200

[quiet pewter]

SB talent helps a fair bit, if you have them camping gmush or something

[quiet pewter]

you should always have oils on

[slim rose]

Im having more trouble upkeeping my ore than anything else

[dreamy spruce]

my vman dmg so low I cant even get past efaunt :{

[stuck elbow]

make sure to level this as high as possible

[quiet pewter]

have you tried getting gud

[dreamy spruce]

not hard enough it seems

[quiet pewter]

theres a lot of global dmg boosts that will drag him up, otherwise make sure you push his minimum skill level up for his talen dmg boost

whats your min skill at jsut now?

[dreamy spruce]

you mean from lib? its 125 - 155 ish

[quiet pewter]

nah i mean his tab 3 talent that gives dmg

it looks like a ghost getting electorcuted

[dreamy spruce]

Ah, catching at 32 rn

[quiet pewter]

probably some easy gains there then

[dreamy spruce]

Yeah, will work on that. thanks

[glad crow]

i should prob just get this whole thing done.... which character is best for this? dk and es?

[quiet pewter]

those are good choices

[bold quiver]

dk es sb bubo, any of those work

[serene solstice]

FINALY

[fading cape]

resample time

[serene solstice]

it was just the last thing I needed from nightmare efaunt

[fading cape]

oh yeah, plus the 11% wings is probably better for sampling anyway

[serene solstice]

but yeah 13% afk gain is probably better than 10% effi xD

now I can farm efaunt on normal and chaotic again

[glad crow]

for the lava skull ones, i just want to active there on bubo, right?

[little pagoda]

is idleon efficiency money multiplier incomplete? I don't see alchemy or artifact bonus listed there

[glad crow]

i think ie isnt precise, but IT should be

[little pagoda]

I'm not aware of IT

[glad crow]

!it

[obtuse orbit]

https://idleontoolbox.com/ - Unofficial 3rd party site made by Morojo#2331

[sick sentinel]

IT is sorta the same thing, but i like a lot more of the features it has for some things

the dashboard is very nice and customizable

[little pagoda]

Just logged in and it has way more alerts lol

[sick sentinel]

yeah you can take off what you dont want to have

characters screen is pretty sick too, and you can hover the money multi or drop rate in stats to see the breakdowns for those

[little pagoda]

Cash multi says +13% but artifact alone is supposedly over 200%, why is that?

[sick sentinel]

its probably because of the stuff that it is additive to

or multi to

[little pagoda]

But 13.8% makes no sense

Regardless of additive or multiplicative

[untold leaf]

Have you checked if it's the percentage symbol or the multiplication symbol?

[sick sentinel]

can you take a snip of it and show?

[little pagoda]

it's definitely percent symbol lol

but I feel it should be a multiplier

[tacit tulip]

you sure it's not 13.8k?

[sick sentinel]

mine displays like this

so thats millions

[little pagoda]

I'm tryingto screenshot

[tacit tulip]

you can also hover it and it'll give you a breakdown

[little pagoda]

Am I stupid or is that correct

[dreamy spruce]

is there a way to check food consume chance?

[sick sentinel]

on IT characters stats

[dreamy spruce]

ah, thanks

[sick sentinel]

how about your IE one for that character? curious what it looks like

[tacit tulip]

I refuse to believe you have no statues, might still be calculating stuff if it's your first load

[little pagoda]

I think it said like x3.5

[final relic]

anyone have a world 5 tower defence guide link? the guide i had got taken down

[little pagoda]

I trhink I do have some statues on him yes

now many but I do

On IE

[tacit tulip]

Pretty sure the tower order is

Poison void ice poison poison krakenx3

You don't want void right at the front cause it'll get stunned by the yellow mobs

[sick sentinel]

can you show teh breakdown?

[tacit tulip]

I do get different totals in each

[sick sentinel]

i dont think IE accounts for drop rate as 1 reason

[little pagoda]

I'm not on fighting preset or anything I just wanted to see the artifacts impact

[untold leaf]

They say:

• w2 for candy
• w3 for gems
• w4 for laddles and eggs

I don't remember what colo w1 was for 🥲

[dreamy spruce]

dont think w1 colo has a real purpose

[sick sentinel]

i guess artifact isnt taken into account either?

[little pagoda]

I'm not sure, it might be scrollable but I can't scroll it

[untold leaf]

Haha, that's what I was thinking, but sometimes my memory betrays me, so I didn't want to say anything wrong 🤣

[little pagoda]

Well I will just have to test it out and see how much money I get later I guess

[signal osprey]

W1 is technically the most gems per ticket but you get no candy so usually W2 is just a better choice

[frozen prairie]

does anyone have the shiny pet trait chart?

[signal osprey]

Also W3 is less gems than W2. You really only do W3 if you want chiz keys or slush obols

[dreamy spruce]

oh good to know

[tacit tulip]

baba yaga cards but that'sa bout it

[rigid fox]

just got into world 5 anything i should focus on?

[tacit tulip]

into divinity jail with you

[vapid shuttle]

start sailing and gaming and get a couple divs goin

honestly going to just lab my characters up some more, then link them to the lab god to be active but gain no xp - and farm divinity

need a few active lab nodes so my account isnt crap

[tacit tulip]

eventually you get goat god which'll let you do both

[quiet pewter]

how can i not unlock bubble in construction if the level is odd but my death note is good?

[rigid fox]

soo small question are the artifacts always active (from sailing)

[hot prawn]

Use DK or ES here?

[golden gust]

I used es

[tacit tulip]

ES

[sick sentinel]

i did ES and it was fast

[glad crow]

why cant i get that last lava skull :C

[hot prawn]

K I wasn't sure what type of drop the tear was

[tacit tulip]

Can you clarify? My brain isn't understanding the question

[fading cape]

What's the max sailing loot pile? Is it 32?

[quiet pewter]

its just luck, just let it run a while

[vapid shuttle]

does ES farm coins faster than bubu?

bubu just for alchemy right?

[glad crow]

is es or bubo better?, because i tried bubo for some time, and couldnt really get it

[hot prawn]

Also, the one sailing artifact that gives more free bubbles. At eldritch it only gives +3 right? Total

[glad crow]

bubo kills most mobs per hour, which means it kill most crystal er hour, and therefore most money

[sick sentinel]

bubo kills way more crystal mobs = more money

[quiet pewter]

bubo for coins by far

[signal osprey]

I did my lava skulls on bubo and SB

[tacit tulip]

Bubo: Total number of kills -> Total number of cystal mobs -> Money gain, also alchemy
ES: Portal kills (do not spawn crystals, though do spawn more mobs), buff only applies to mobs -> Mob drops
DK: Orb multiplier (so 100 is 2x drop rate) -> Crystals drop loads -> Crystal drops, also construction

[signal osprey]

Worth mentioning that DK is very good at money farming too

[sick sentinel]

i did a lava skull on my ES without chainbolt and just afk'd it for a bit

[signal osprey]

Not quite bubo level but close enough to be worth a mention

[glad crow]

oh is chainbolt bad?

[quiet pewter]

its just luck, can help to do it on someone that doesnt fully clear map as having some untouched enemies let skulls build, but mostly jsut leave someone there a while

[warm kayak]

neat

[tacit tulip]

So, I've never actually money farmed on Bubo before. Doot gets me to a DR threshold, then rest money cards?

[sick sentinel]

i didnt want to kill too many mobs to let the skulls spread, but tbh i dont know if that is optimal or not

i just left it to do its thing

[signal osprey]

Swap molti for nutto

[hot prawn]

FFFFFUUUUU

[quiet pewter]

still better than my 4 bloques

[signal osprey]

Or potentially NMChiz if the stats end up being more money than nutto

[vapid shuttle]

for money farm, am i wanting to make sure i can 1 shot the mobs for it to be useful on bubo?

[hot prawn]

@quiet pewter ow

[glad crow]

also molti do be passive?

[vapid shuttle]

on a high density map of course - soda cant are not viable yet i only have about 2 mil dmg

[tacit tulip]

good to note, I just blindly ctrl f money 😄

[glad crow]

also should portal be on or not?

[quiet pewter]

yeah, youd be looking for fast turn around, you want your aura to melt crystals in one shot or close to it

[sick sentinel]

i left it on for the mob respawns

[signal osprey]

Use nutto for money or brightside for DR to get more keys

In place of molti that is

[sick sentinel]

otherwise you kill the whole map with no real spread

[tacit tulip]

I'm swimming in trophies so gonna go with the money for now 😄

[sick sentinel]

you can manually do the lava skulls

[glad crow]

you dont have nm kattle card?

[signal osprey]

Might be worth looking at NMChiz too for the stats which can add some money as well

[quiet pewter]

ouch

[tacit tulip]

It's equipped in that screenshot

[glad crow]

oh yeah sry im just blind and stupid lul

[warm kayak]

if you have 2 mil you should probably go active on ES or DK

[tacit tulip]

tbh my biggest money gains would be to dump some candy into gmush

I wanna 1b DN first

as I'm close to it being viable

[glad crow]

i have never understood how the skulls actually work, so can i get a tl;dr on how to do it manually?

[warm kayak]

I'm 10 mil on my ES and i'm farming so much rares, resources, active exp and cards

[quiet pewter]

just put someone there and leave it for half an hour unless your super imaptient

[warm kayak]

while on bubo you want lvl 200 on the respawn mechanic to pop up

[tacit tulip]

Kill a skull = 50% chance to jump to another mob, +1 level

Keep killing the highest skull you have.

At plat, there's a 50% chance to get deme, then a 50% chance to get lava

[glad crow]

oh okay ty

[tacit tulip]

I just auto til I see a plat then manually kill the mob and the deme one

[sick sentinel]

not a necessity, but does make it better for sure

can still money farm and do cc without 200tent

it just gets better with

[little pagoda]

Are there any other money per multikill tier mechanics?

I know coins for charon

[quiet pewter]

gmush is overwhelmingly the largest

[little pagoda]

Yes but I mean, why, doesn't it have the lowest base money, what else multiplies it?

[little pagoda]

Oh I get it, so just do that to increase money gain, then kill something stroenger, got it

[quiet pewter]

ah yeah gmush give fuck all money directly

[solemn spire]

are the passive cards always active, or do i have to equip them for them to work?

[dreamy spruce]

always active

[quiet pewter]

dont equip passive cards

[sick sentinel]

passive = no equip

[solemn spire]

phew

that's how i interpreted it

[zinc pilot]

Is there a divinity that activates the lab in world 4

[quiet pewter]

also passive cards cen not be doubled

[tacit tulip]

bear god

[sick sentinel]

bear god is remote lab link

[little pagoda]

need 69 more divinity points for bear god, then I can go play the game lmao

[zinc pilot]

Which one is that?

[dreamy spruce]

2nd

[sick sentinel]

second, arctis

[quiet pewter]

2st

[zinc pilot]

I have that one weird

[little pagoda]

btw how high do I need lab levels for early w5?

[dreamy spruce]

you need to link to it too, you wont get lab xp

[zinc pilot]

1 sec I'll go check

[tacit tulip]

there's no good answer for this, 75 is your long term goal

[quiet pewter]

aim for high enough to use all chip slots eventually

[sick sentinel]

click the link button whne you look at the god on divity to see what you are actually linked to since your chars can only link to 1 god at a time (besides es, or doot)

[little pagoda]

Is level not the main source of line width? I know I can get more from cooking but don't know any others, just the merit thing

[quiet pewter]

youll eventually have more line width than you need, 75 is for chips

[little pagoda]

The only good one that would help me right now but I can't reach is vial doubler

[sick sentinel]

line width you can get from lots of sources, but connection range is the tough one

[dreamy spruce]

you need lvl ~40 iirc for 6man lab setup

[sick sentinel]

you can only get connection range from the merit, reaching the last lab node, and the orange jewel

[quiet pewter]

if you havnt read how bubo tube abilities work, probably give those a read, feel like a lot of ppl ignore them

[little pagoda]

It's "easy" for me to connect everything because I don't have any jewels yet

[little pagoda]

I just use the xp one for the time being

[dreamy spruce]

is it normal to have more w5 merit points than w4? or am I doing something wrong in w4

[little pagoda]

But I guess if I'm using bear i can respec him

[quiet pewter]

shame on you

[dreamy spruce]

[quiet pewter]

you might want to ignore bear if you still need lab levels

or at least come back later and finish leveling it

[tacit tulip]

I used the start of world 5 to get other affairs in order (mostly skilling or farming for rare drops)

then moved on from bear after

[quiet pewter]

yeah that makes sense, once w5 slows down

[tacit tulip]

I'm actually using bear a fair bit atm cause I'm levelling everyone to 450 for the trophy

so just have everyone dumped at wurms

[little pagoda]

I might need some but not right now, no jewels means it doesn't take a lot to connect stuff

I was only in w4 for like a week, maybe a couple days more

[warm kayak]

At what lab level per character I should feel comfortable in linking with bear?

[little pagoda]

I'm hoping world 5 helps me with the grinds I skipped lol

[quiet pewter]

yeah lava really fucked the game with the portal nerfs tbh

[tacit tulip]

we'll see the same with w6

[little pagoda]

I don't remember but afk gains help lab right?

[tacit tulip]

though, w5 might be enough of a wall that those that rushed 3/4 can't get to 6

[little pagoda]

So snake should be useful for those inside lab

[little pagoda]

Well depending on how long w6 takes that's true

[vale wadi]

what nerfs?

[quiet pewter]

yeah, but if you have atoms going lab+hare is more normal

[little pagoda]

But it's still nice to be able to grind all skills up to w5 while catching up on stuff

[tacit tulip]

the w4 portals needed a lot more kills to get to the end

think it might have been 4m for last map?

[quiet pewter]

it used to take a lot longer to get through worlds, when ever a new world comes out they get dramatically lowered in kill count to unlock and sometiems dmg/hp

[little pagoda]

I think my last portal was like a few hundred thousand

[quiet pewter]

imo it would benifit players to spend longer in each world and be forced to understand its features first

[little pagoda]

Only literally took me less than a dozen 12 + 24 hr candies to rush last 3 portals

I gave up being active at biggole wurms lol

I hated how they were stationary

[tacit tulip]

yeah, but consider how weak you're feeling coming into w5

can you imagine pushing candy to kattle then killing it right this second?

[little pagoda]

that's fine, just means I have more content to progress through

[tacit tulip]

Yeah it's all good

I just think the difficulty spike coming into 5 might finally slow people down

once 6 is here

[little pagoda]

I'm seriously considering wasting gaming fertilizer just to increase my divinity gains

[echo crag]

hopefully it will, just depend how badly lava nerf portal requirement

[little pagoda]

But probably not worth

[quiet pewter]

that features take months to fully finish, but you can rush all the way to w5 in a couple weeks seems like poor game design/pacing to me. would be better to have a new world to aim for instead of being able to speed run the content and then jsut sit grinding for months

[tacit tulip]

yeah but you want players to hit the new content to buy gems for the buffs

[quiet pewter]

true

[little pagoda]

I think letting people unlock worlds fast ish is fine

[quiet pewter]

although even from a money point of view: if it was harder to unlock worlds wouldnt ppl pay to speed it up?

[little pagoda]

As long as you don't rush too hard it's not too bad

I did a bit of rushing with candies at specific points but didn't try to brute force anything

Only used the candies when it was feasible

[quiet pewter]

with respect, im not sure you know how much of the content youve skipped

[tacit tulip]

yeah, we've seen some people with sub 200k damage in w5 by using all their candies from events 😄

[little pagoda]

Bro I do know

I don't even have post office second tab

[little pagoda]

Mine was just from quests, I never played any events, I started playing right after the last one

[tacit tulip]

honestly, DK on bloodbones to ramp up your pen production isn't a terrible idea

you can get a lot of gains out of the first ~2k boxes

[little pagoda]

why bloodbones specifically?

[tacit tulip]

Just the best map for it

[little pagoda]

I kinda want a source of pens that don't require chocolate chip

[tacit tulip]

think it still relies on choco to be godly, but it's the best pen map if you have the chip or not

[little pagoda]

is it all flat?

[tacit tulip]

yup

[little pagoda]

good good

[echo crag]

you dont have to ahve choco, but you'll need to farm pop and dice for all obo slots

[little pagoda]

I will definitely try to juice up my DK and bubo soon-ish

[tacit tulip]

mmhm, obols, drop rate, card drop rate cards should probably be your first choice

over pens

[echo crag]

yeah, cards, obol, pens in that order imo

[little pagoda]

I can get those reasonably fast with ES

but i'm sure DK can get better

[tacit tulip]

yeah, cards with ES, DK for obols

ES for pop obols tho

[little pagoda]

I only have bronze pop obols

[tacit tulip]

better than nothing

[little pagoda]

My ES drop rate isn't too bad, it gets to like 4.5x

[echo crag]

thats fine, get all bronze, then start upgrading to silver

[little pagoda]

is there a good way to farm fragments btw? I could never have enough to reroll + upgrade

[echo crag]

active ES

[little pagoda]

And i only get 1 fragment per most obols

[tacit tulip]

the dice obol farm also produces a lot of crap fragments for shards

[little pagoda]

I have uhh 4 silver dice

[warm kayak]

umm.. how do you collect spices automatically?

[tacit tulip]

I haven't trashed mine in a while but the dice obol farm gives you these too. The golds/silvers scrap quite nicely

[little pagoda]

talent from w4 shop

merit shop*

[warm kayak]

No way!

[little pagoda]

it's also the only way to get past the claim cap per day I think

[signal osprey]

Yeah it ignores the daily cap entirely

[little pagoda]

100 per day is so little i find myself avoiding to manually claim

I need more w4 merit though because a lot of stuff i need from there still

[tacit tulip]

yeah it's kinda low prio

[little pagoda]

at least 1 more rank of spice pillage, 1 more NBLB, connection range

[tacit tulip]

connection range isn't particularly huge either

[little pagoda]

I have level 20 which most of the time is enough

[little pagoda]

Yeah I will get NBLB first

[tacit tulip]

As a lazy gamer NBLB is my favourite mechanic

[vapid shuttle]

casual flex with those piles of pens and ladels hiding up top

[serene solstice]

still at 0 arcade stamps pog

but gg tho

there are no ladles

[bold quiver]

365 gems - 2400 gold ball shop - 500 balls this is what i got by buying 500arcade balls

[little pagoda]

Is that rare? I've had it since week 1 or 2 lol

[tacit tulip]

the three arcade stamps are mega rare

[echo crag]

.01%

[bold quiver]

rare

[echo crag]

from gold only

[little pagoda]

This one is only max claim time though

[serene solstice]

I am now over a year in to idleon and still don't have any of the arcade stamps xD

[little pagoda]

Not so useful

[tacit tulip]

yeah it's the worst of the three

[little pagoda]

I never realized I got lucky lmao

I'd rather have ballhoepickly though

[serene solstice]

wait wasn't the stamps 1%?

[little pagoda]

balljoepickle*

[bold quiver]

.1

[little pagoda]

maybe I will be able to get something good from arcade if I can get past the wall in idle skilling preventing me from getting more rewards from there lol

[tacit tulip]

balljoe+vial mastery is a good way to get gains

[serene solstice]

lava needs to do something about a few vials its not possible to get them to max lvl

like the pickle ones

[bold quiver]

imagine getting this to max

or hampter

[signal osprey]

Just farm more

[bold quiver]

ok so spending that many gems for arcade balls was not the worst e_e

[echo crag]

is there something that scale of sailing lvl ?

[tacit tulip]

some artifacts scale from sailing lvl

[signal osprey]

A couple of the artifacts do

[bold quiver]

down 885 gems and got 1 stamp so worth

[little pagoda]

I think it should be possible to restock shops somehow, it wouldn't break anything

[fading dust]

You should sample while everyone is on snake

[bold quiver]

everyone on goat , sampler snake

9 goat 1 snake. And switch

2 week relink is enough to get u all atom samplers max sample size in one go

[oak hemlock]

Which stamp?

[little pagoda]

True you have a point

[bold quiver]

arcade claim time, dumb stamp

[tacit tulip]

hey the stamp has one use, +1 slab

[oak hemlock]

Nice) @bold quiver What is Portal?

[bold quiver]

idk what portal

[little pagoda]

+ES damage too

[fading dust]

Ya cause rn you’re getting bear and it would be nice to have the mats being passively generated to that you can keep upgrading alchemy bubbles

[bold quiver]

yellow only one gives stamp

[signal osprey]

If the arcade ball rolls portal it goes through the next portal

[little pagoda]

I am going to resample everything no matter what since I will rapidly get stronger now I reached world 5

But yeah I should resample before relinking

[bold quiver]

yep thats the spirit. Ive never sampled with my characters on snake or goat lol

i always did with whatever setup they were using

[tacit tulip]

yeah swapping gods is far too much effort

[bold quiver]

never set me back not doing that min max

[little pagoda]

I'm gonna farm some money first, upgrade all possible stamps, etc

[bold quiver]

its good only when u are done with most stuff and is grinding hard atom bubbles

[fading dust]

Yea, it’s a real pain later on because I unlink everyone before weekly reset to put them on snake (or nobi), sample them all in one go, then relink them to their original gods

[little pagoda]

I can still upgrade a lot of my bubbles wityh current samples, main cap is liquid, but soon that will not be true anymore

[fading dust]

It’ll be true until bubo gets cranium cooking going… ancient fury relic to get 200 tenteyecle was a nightmare to get

[tacit tulip]

you can hit 200 with basic artifact btw

[fading dust]

Oh yea with slug right?

[little pagoda]

Yeah I guess so, but if my samples lag behind then even with low liquid cap is still gonna be mats

[tacit tulip]

nah don't even need slug

185+ES+Symbols+bear

more than enough wiggle room to hit 200 comfortably

[fading dust]

True true

[tacit tulip]

It was possible before ES came out even

[fading dust]

There a level milestone for the aura skill?

[tacit tulip]

just high as you can atm, next huge gains is 400 which can't be reached

[little pagoda]

Does loot value increase artifact chance?

[tacit tulip]

oh, aura

not sure on aura 😄

[little pagoda]

so like, when it says I have x chests, is that x chances for artifact or just 1?

[echo crag]

aura get bigger every 35 pts

[fading dust]

Is worth leveling it past 200 atm? Seems like I’m capped to a 1 sec cd with cans now

[little pagoda]

is poison never used for cc anymore? Or just switch to aura later?

[fading dust]

Use both

[echo crag]

you still lvl up poison, but you dont have it on bar

[fading dust]

You should check how much time reduction your CC gives you atm

[little pagoda]

how does that help though

[fading dust]

Can you explain more

[tacit tulip]

fart ghost damage scales from poison level

[signal osprey]

Ghost spawns poison

[little pagoda]

ah, thought so

[fading dust]

Oh so you lay poison with fart ghost

[signal osprey]

But its damage is based on the canister talent level so you still need to level canisters even though you dont use it

[tacit tulip]

if you have 0 on the talent the poison does "miss" damage 😄

a lot of stuff like that behaves the same way. Such as the DK shockwaves scaling from the squire talent

[coral goblet]

why farm pop obols on ES over DK?

[echo crag]

pop is a standard drop, dk is better for the rare bag drops

[tacit tulip]

Bubo: Total number of kills -> Total number of cystal mobs -> Money gain, also alchemy
ES: Portal kills (do not spawn crystals, though do spawn more mobs), buff only applies to mobs -> Mob drops
DK: Orb multiplier (so 100 is 2x drop rate) -> Crystals drop loads -> Crystal drops, also construction

[echo crag]

construction ?

[tacit tulip]

you produce more construction build speed while logged into a warrior

due to interaction between these two bubblers

[echo crag]

ok yeah, was trying to understant the connection between orb and construction and was like wtf

[dreamy spruce]

ohh thats why, I always thought that squire talents just werent counted when not on squire

[tacit tulip]

It's actually kinda unintuitive

the bubble reads that warriors get the buff

It's actually you get the buff while active on a warrior

[echo crag]

lava description, unintuitive... you dont say XD

[dreamy spruce]

so they dont improve afk gains at all?

[tacit tulip]

they tend to come online before the afk calculation

[dreamy spruce]

ah right

[tacit tulip]

the bubbles also provide their normal bonuses all the time, just not the nehanced one frmo class bubble

[dreamy spruce]

good to know, thanks

[quiet pewter]

fun fact: active cooking doesnt work becuase a watched pot never boils

[wicked forum]

What influences sailing cloud value? Does loot value increase it?

Not sure If it matters if I send a ship with high loot value to unlock and island or not

[tacit tulip]

Only cloud % on captains impact it.

Worthless skill tho, cause you can just use speed captains (no 2h limit on cloud discovery)

[signal osprey]

It does work for your afk characters as long as you are active on a warrior

So if you have 2 DK's and are farming on one of them the other one will get increased exp

Significantly more actually because con exp is bugged for your active character so the afk DK levels up a lot faster

[quiet pewter]

i think your meant to log in on your bb to fix this or something

[signal osprey]

That only matters if you close the game in which case yes you would want your BB to be the first character you check

If you're just active farming then theres nothing you can do. The active DK will never get as much exp as the afk one

[prisma vigil]

Quick question for mid/late-game stuff. How far do I push damage obols? To gold? Is further worth it?

[tacit tulip]

you change your mind and get some pop/dice obols

[prisma vigil]

Huh... time to farm them then :p

[quiet pewter]

push one further for the slab, thats about it

[prisma vigil]

Thanks for the quick reply

[tacit tulip]

this is what you're aiming for

[quiet pewter]

slacking on that lvl 5000

[tacit tulip]

I'm working on it slowly

[quiet pewter]

lol me too

[dreamy spruce]

Alright, thanks!

[noble nymph]

i started using the kattlecruk sparkles on family, although i guess you could keep swapping

[lost beacon]

Ohh fun looks like I'm doing N Kruk on my Skilling Preset. 😦

Ohh hell yeah. First wings from it!

[tacit tulip]

clearly that's the trick. You tried that, @signal osprey ? 😄

[signal osprey]

No but I did finally get the wings

[tacit tulip]

aww now I can't be mean

gz

[signal osprey]

Only took 384 runs at 16x DR

But now I'm back at beans where I belong

And I'm not leaving for a long time

[quiet pewter]

how long have you bean there?

[echo stag]

Fuck man, companions are a joke, got 2x rams 2x molti 2x bloque

[signal osprey]

So far I've only bean here a day but its gonna be at least a month probably

This is my home

[tacit tulip]

them statues aint gonna farm themselves

[open cloak]

Awww yeah. Got that chemical plant now

[tacit tulip]

welcome to cyclical hell

[open cloak]

Guessing this is gonna increase my bits massively.

[open cloak]

What do you mean

[tacit tulip]

Chems pass time for gaming, like a candy

[dapper prism]

And goes hand in hand with Log

[tacit tulip]

Chem -> Use sprinkler/log, spawn more chems

[open cloak]

Ya but what do you mean cyclical hell

[tacit tulip]

use more chems...repeat

[open cloak]

Ohhhh. Gotcha. Is that bad?? 🙂

[tacit tulip]

6 hours later, still clicking

if you like having a working mouse hand it's bad

[open cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[tacit tulip]

genuinely spent like 4 hours in one gaming session on the weekend

[open cloak]

So you have unlimited bits is what I’m hearing

[dapper prism]

Still fun and great to do with kitty on

[dapper prism]

Btw chem at T5 will skip a day, a full reset on your log.

[open cloak]

Sick!

[tacit tulip]

tier^2

in hours, sorry

so 1, 4, 9, 16, 25

then 36/49 if you ever got one

[dapper prism]

Harvest all

[signal osprey]

[dreamy spruce]

Why not?

[sweet mountain]

uh... finally. Now I just need to torment myselft to get the lvl 6 from other plants. >.<

[worldly dune]

5 months still no chems is this normal?

[tacit tulip]

They're a 1% spawn rate so really depends how much gaming you're doing

[worldly dune]

no

i mean

haven't even unlocked them

[tacit tulip]

Oh the rolls? Yeah they're tjust trash

roll frequently at low odds over saving

[worldly dune]

.. rip

[tacit tulip]

doubling your dna does not double your chances, so it's better to spend low often

[dreamy spruce]

is it worth waiting for 5th evo for log book? or just continue claiming when I can

[tacit tulip]

I found the 5's started being possible in a decent time around about when I had green B bits

[dreamy spruce]

Alright, I'll wait then

[pastel heath]

lol every person i see in w5 has doot like amthe only person i w5 without doot or what?

[tacit tulip]

dooters gonna doot

neither me nor my partner have it, if that helps

[pastel heath]

im a free to play with 5 dollars spent so not rlly a f2p but low spender

[tacit tulip]

autolooter, it's a valid tier

[pastel heath]

and i spent money after playong 5 months

[dapper prism]

Auto looter is basically f2p tbh

[tacit tulip]

autoloot is basically "can play active without game dying"

[pastel heath]

i see some people spending 100s of dollars and they not even like lvl 80 like pls help me

[tacit tulip]

Sheep is definitely my favourite

I don't particularly care about rams

tho, nice not to walk when worshipping

[pastel heath]

sheepie is actually like better than ram and C.C

[pastel heath]

yea ram is goated on green souls

[dapper prism]

On a side note, Having 10x T5 plants with a 3 minute cycle time takes ~150 days to unlock T6. At 5 min cycle its 250 days

Just be sure to only do it with kitsune on, prep with chems and stuff

[tacit tulip]

I have one more colo monster bag left to make then I can just use chest deposit for all things

[dapper prism]

For unlocking T5's it's 4 days at 5 mins cycle, 8 days at 10min cycle

[tacit tulip]

except green souls 😛

yeah chem no kit feels the best overall. You're probably missing out on seashell but...

[dapper prism]

It's so much more OP with kitsune on, since you constantly hit T5's, full log resets => easy to get more maxed chems again

(if going for tier unlocks)

[pastel heath]

how do i get more dmg i got to w5 yesterday and im only getting like 2500 kills on sugmas i can have around 2mil on BB and 3mil and something on ES

[tacit tulip]

So, there's a big discussion hjere, but the answer is to re-evaluate what you've one in w1-4 and improve those factors

[dreamy smelt]

Does anyone know if magma or divine armor is better for sampling?

[tacit tulip]

alchemy in particular should be your cornerstone for improving

[tacit tulip]

mag, % all stats can't be beat

[dapper prism]

Magma, all stat (except skilling boots and think idle skilling hat)

[willow drum]

Magma is better for skilling

[pastel heath]

yea i got all bubles from w1-to w3 to base lvl of 20+

Fmj ans shackq is around 40 something

[tacit tulip]

Would strongly suggest doing that more. Go in 10's. Ignore bubbles you can't print materials for (like salt, worship, trapping)

The higher every bubble is the better

[dreamy smelt]

So ideal endgame is 10 divine for afk fighting and 3 total magma for each base class when you sample

[pastel heath]

i have like 50k copper print

[hollow trellis]

Im new in w5 an got the third boat in Sailing and the third island discovered. Should i farm the first island or discover new one? And should i save 4000bars first for the sailing stamp or update the first boat always ?

[pastel heath]

and also how to get more build speed i can only have around 13k

[dapper prism]

Work on divinity while gaming comes up, do your daily Bubo CC's to get more water properly, check some info on that. That way your bubbles can easily be leveled way higher, 20 seems very low tbh. Once your sailing is further and you get to fury artifact, your CC will go through the roof for unlocking all alchemy bubbles which is a lot of damage.
Work on everything hand in hand, same as better 3D samples, getting chizoar sets on your main chars, emp rings from dungeon etc.

[tacit tulip]

Construction level is the primary source of build speed. Aim for % exp cogs and directional exp cogs

Don't get build % cogs it's a trap

[pastel heath]

i got the first 3 artifacts got bear god today on 10% lol have 9 pplondivinity rn

[pastel heath]

so i should get almost every cog to be con exp

[tacit tulip]

Ignore my lack of directionals, I have terrible cog luck

[dreamy spruce]

all cogs should give cog xp to squires

[pastel heath]

ok

so like have everbody making cogs except my DKs

[tacit tulip]

you basically combine high construction level with this bubble

for mass build speed

[pastel heath]

yea and call me bob

should i get it to like max lvl i can

[tacit tulip]

yes but given your geenral bubble state consider other bubbles first

bob isn't an easy one to level

the way I did it was to pick a bubble and level it to a certain cost

100k...1mil etc

then pick another bubble and level it to the same cost

when it comes to sampling you'll now have bigger samples, so you can go to 10mil, or even 100mil eventually

[pastel heath]

https://rokobaci.idleonefficiency.com/

you can see my alch

trying to get diamond chef to like lvl 20 maybe too

[tacit tulip]

yeah having diamond chef is great for you rn

we see a lot new to w5 without that bubble and it's a powerful one

[pastel heath]

yea they just hard rushed

[dreamy spruce]

so expensive though :{

[pastel heath]

thats what i use my 90% discount on

[tacit tulip]

[dreamy spruce]

how did you get it to atom range? O_O

just nblb?

[tacit tulip]

yeah, atomic nblb

[pastel heath]

isnt nblb for the first 15 bublles

[dreamy spruce]

atom collider has buff for it

[tacit tulip]

yup, that's what the atomic is for

[dapper prism]

1-2 more NBLB hits for mine to get in range 😦

[dreamy spruce]

nice

[pastel heath]

yea i will prob try to unlock atom colider when i get 1mil + copper and log prints and atleast 100k speed

[dreamy spruce]

the speed will be way easier to get

I have ~250k build speed and 200k sample

[pastel heath]

should i have ppl even making basic cogs bcs i seen some basic cogs with like 50+ % exp

[lapis mesa]

Soon!!!

[bold quiver]

i dont

its better to stay on last cog only

[dreamy spruce]

I have 3 last cog and 1 on the cog before that

[bold quiver]

mine is like this but idont claim

[dreamy spruce]

not even collecting ultis?

[bold quiver]

not worth

my board is very juiced

all those directional but 4 are 60%+

[dreamy spruce]

you already maxed the trash merit I assume then?

[bold quiver]

ill wait until my squires get over lvl 600 to do a cog session again. I will place both squires on last clog and claim non stop

[bold quiver]

what is that

[dreamy spruce]

Meant this one

[bold quiver]

yea long ago

when i was at w4 i had almost maxed tat already

[dreamy spruce]

didnt you get to w5 in ~3 weeks? sounds kinda impossible

[bold quiver]

its easier than u think

it was probably at lvl 8ish or so

[tacit tulip]

I spent 5 hours playing cog clicker once and didn't get a single directional

wanted to cry lol

[bold quiver]

its such a pain right

[tacit tulip]

main reason I haven't got my board going

I really need to do it too

[bold quiver]

best thing u can do is kinda wait until your squire build rate is high, then u can claim fast

[pastel heath]

should I spend my gems on the random jewel thing in w4 bonus tab

[tacit tulip]

yeah but even if it wasn't, you get cogs so fast that you need to check regularly

it wouldn't be viable

[bold quiver]

oh yeah u have to spam

cuz any cog above 1 is already a big loss

1 cog 10, 2nd cog is 50, so u lost 3 cogs there

yea

[dreamy spruce]

wish I could check cogs while not on dk :{

[bold quiver]

its something that u do every once in a while

[bold quiver]

why cant u?

[dreamy spruce]

reduces build speed

[bold quiver]

u cant snapshot buildspeed active sorry

[dreamy spruce]

I want my build speed ;{

[bold quiver]

construction buildspeed is based on the active character, u cant snapshot by not opening

[versed cypress]

build speed remains whatever the last build speed it was when you last checked

[bold quiver]

it doesnt

[versed cypress]

even if you change character as long as you DO NOT check the build tab it remains the same

[lapis mesa]

rule 4 of #server-rules its usually a warning/mute to even talk about whether its ok or not. though theyve been slightly relaxed on just asking of late

[dreamy spruce]

ah okay, thanks didnt realize

[bold quiver]

that is incorrect. BUild speed is character

U cant snapshot buildspeed active

[versed cypress]

thats what i have been told by many many late game ppl

[bold quiver]

they are wrong then

[versed cypress]

the only thing that gets added is the build speed from the obols

[bold quiver]

What u can snapshot are the construction obols.

but if u change map u lose the snapshot even iuf u dont open the screen

[pastel heath]

when ppl say w5 is a money and exp farm do they mean money bcs of that one relic that gets you 2% more money for every lvl on your highest lvl character

[dreamy spruce]

they mean that w5 mobs just drop loads of cash and xp

[tacit tulip]

the base amount is so much higher that you just get lots

[pastel heath]

yea but the relic is also very good

got it on my first day

[rustic garnet]

sure, but even with relic, W5 is better than w4, big time

[bold quiver]

@dreamy spruce so yeah, u can check cogs on whatever character u want. u cant snapshot DK speed while on other characters, it doesnt work like that

[dreamy spruce]

been doing wave 80 td for like 20 minutes

[rustic garnet]

and there are tons and tons of other multipliers

[dreamy spruce]

alright, good to know

[bold quiver]

What u can do is going offline on DK, then coming back online on DK, u will get whole afk time based on that build speed

[rustic garnet]

I don't think this is true

[bold quiver]

i dont know if u have to go offline on dk

[rustic garnet]

I've been told straight up it isn't

[bold quiver]

but coming back online its true

[signal osprey]

Its not

[rustic garnet]

no, see, this is definitely not true

[tacit tulip]

yay 1000%

[dreamy spruce]

Grats!

[bold quiver]

When u get back online u get the build speed of that chracter, i can 100% vouch for that

[rustic garnet]

Then you are vouching something I've seen not work

[bold quiver]

u do u. Ill keep getting my DK buildspeed every night

[rustic garnet]

No, you really won't

[bold quiver]

cuz my dk is almost 4x speed than my other character, i do notice

[signal osprey]

You get that characters build speed but you want to log in on BB

[tacit tulip]

there's actually a recent bug report showing it not working

#bug-reports-🐛 message

[signal osprey]

The first character establishes your speed but gets a big exp penalty

Log in on BB with con obols to benefit from orange bubble 2 on carpenter

[bold quiver]

ohhhhhhh so thats why whenever i log in my leveling is all over the place

[signal osprey]

Then both DK's get max exp

[dreamy spruce]

why is it so weird

[bold quiver]

i always wondered why i got all the build speed but not exp properly

[tacit tulip]

Lava code is always weird

it's actually strange when things work as they look like they should

[bold quiver]

Good to know thanks kkkkkkkkkk

[signal osprey]

being active on a warrior gives more build speed but the active character also gets less exp than they should

[bold quiver]

My lifetime construction problem with exp on 1 dk is solved

[signal osprey]

Thats why my farming DK is 757 con and my lab DK is 849

[tacit tulip]

technically active BB is the best choice for construction gains but then you have to active bb

and that's a big waste of time

[bold quiver]

crystal farming on BB huge

[lavish quiver]

This explains how my second dk is catching up

[versed cypress]

ok so you get the build speed of the last character that interacted with building before going offline but the first character you check doesnt benefit from the bubbles exp???

[signal osprey]

No when you open the game and log into a character you will get build speed based on that character

[bold quiver]

At least u know now kkkkkkkk.
Always log in first on BB, then when playing active u can check construction normaly since u cant snapshot the speed to another character.
Also if u are playing active on DK u can equip construction obols, check construction with that speed, close, then swap back to DR obols to keep farming. Before checking construction again reequip them (make sure not to change maps or open gem shop, it wilremove the snap

[signal osprey]

So you would ideally have it be a warrior with full con obols

[rustic garnet]

what?

[signal osprey]

That way your entire roster will get the most con exp

But due to spaghetti code any time you active farm on a character you get reduced con exp

[versed cypress]

i see

[signal osprey]

And that exp reduction applies when you first log in and do that claim

So you log in on BB to get the benefit of bubble 2 on your carpenter

[dreamy spruce]

so being active overnight is kinda fucking my cons?

[signal osprey]

And he eats the exp reduction in place of your DK's

[versed cypress]

well i guess it all depends on what you are aiming for, if its con speed you dont really need the exp and if you want the exp you are not foccusing on con speed anyway

[bold quiver]

@signal osprey dude im so happy that now i know why the dk i always checked first has always been 15 lvls lower than my other dk kkkkkkkkk

[rustic garnet]

ok, so log in as BB, then switch to anythign else

[bold quiver]

yes kkkkkkkkkk

[signal osprey]

Thats a bit of a misconception

[bold quiver]

but dont worry about that, its not worth playing DK strictly for construction speed if u have other stuff to do

[signal osprey]

See the game never explains this anywhere but build rate and build speed are two different things

[versed cypress]

i wonder how many levels my ppl that have almost 120 days afk gain will get once i decide to claim them xDDDD

[rustic garnet]

You get both con speed and exp from exp farming

[signal osprey]

Build rate is how quickly you build things as you would expect

Build speed gives you build rate AND increased exp

Thats why obols are good

They give speed not rate

[bold quiver]

Question. When im log in on BB, before checking construction do i have to check gem shop to activate the obols?

[versed cypress]

and this is why lava way of naming things spagetty code and complete lack of proper explanations of the skills workins can be a massive issue

[signal osprey]

So you dont just build faster with con obols you also level up faster too

[bold quiver]

cuz if i straight log in and check const obols will not be loaded

but can preload them if u check gemshop

[dreamy spruce]

and where would the best place to farm them be?

[signal osprey]

Logging into BB first will have that build speed set when you swap to other characters

So you shouldnt need the gem shop

[signal osprey]

Bloodbones

With DK

[versed cypress]

honestly thanks for explaining this, this does explain a lot of how things work and explains why some nuances from construction were just not adding up

[rustic garnet]

If it doesn't start with M and end with Y I don't think Lava cares

[dreamy spruce]

alright thanks

[signal osprey]

Yeah construction is incredibly unintuitive

[tacit tulip]

Hey, today's monday!

guess lava DOES care

[versed cypress]

hahahaha

[rustic garnet]

Should you log into BB and check con and obols?

[signal osprey]

I'm pretty sure you need the obols already on him when you log on

Although not 100% sure

Disclaimer: This is only relevant if you close your game

[bold quiver]

hmm even if u have the obols on him they will not be loaded when u open construction

[signal osprey]

If you active 24/7 like I do then you can ignore that entirely

[bold quiver]

i feel that lava will eventualy release something that allow u to have your top buildspeed on any active character

[versed cypress]

ne companion pet rotation ability xDDDD

[signal osprey]

I don't even think lava fully understands how construction works

not sure anyone does tbh

[bold quiver]

u might not be wrong

[signal osprey]

Its a mess

[versed cypress]

does he understandhow 99% of his game works???

we have seen that he has a very skewed and wrong understanding on many systems he MADE soooo... xDDD

[tacit tulip]

clearly

[signal osprey]

Hmm

[wispy sapphire]

trying to level my mman, is skilling or fighting faster?

[signal osprey]

So right now I have a rough estimate of 2000 hours of beans required for 120 gold food stamp

[tacit tulip]

to...level its level? Fighting.

Skilling is faster if you want to level skilling, tho

[wispy sapphire]

levels, thanks

[tacit tulip]

basically just stuck him afk on the highest map you can survive

and he'll zoom levels, especially in w5

if Bb could get to 425 for scarf quicker that'd be nice

[signal osprey]

425 soon

[tacit tulip]

I wanna mega chow and there's not much point me starting with how close I am

[signal osprey]

I don't even have that going for me

I'm a 2 BB account and the chower is 425

I have no reason to pull this clown out of the lab

[dreamy spruce]

cooking?

[tacit tulip]

I'm doing both cause long term I want divine on everyone

he'll be printing copper

[signal osprey]

Already have the other one cooking and I think I would rathe rhave 6x prints than two cooks

[dreamy spruce]

with atoms you just completely stop caring about fishing / catching?

[versed cypress]

go farm crystal mobs and you will get to 425 with out much issue

[tacit tulip]

You'll still print flies for the basic atom production

but no reason to take fish over ore for atoms

[signal osprey]

Well catching you still print because your SB cant really do much else

Fish just do as needed

[tacit tulip]

hardest part for fishing is the kraken vial

but once you have that you're golden

[signal osprey]

I should probably print some fish to max out the cooking stamps

[lavish quiver]

Working on this atm, pain

[tacit tulip]

kinda sad it looks like the new w2 mechanic isn't gonna include hard fish

actually re-reading it, if you travel to the islands maybe there is fish there

[signal osprey]

Honestly I did some ccd/candy the other day for a few fishing levels and it wasnt nearly as bad as I remember

We've had a lot of generic exp added to the game and all the max talent levels have made ccd a lot stronger than it used to be too

[tacit tulip]

I also kinda just wanna see new skilling cards coming online through mastery

Oh new fish? Bonus afk gains for you immediately

[signal osprey]

They'll be exp % and speed

[tacit tulip]

that;s fine too

[dapper prism]

Worst part about fishing was getting kraken to 4* xD

[tacit tulip]

fufnact: BB absolutely prints kraken cards. If you have two, and a higher enough Vman, you can get it to 4* before overtaking him very quickly

[dapper prism]

I have the 2 other fish 5* and nearly 5*, and kraken is basically fresh 4

But yeh BB is really good for them, only found out a bit late xD

[signal osprey]

My fish cards suck because the little bit I just mentioned doing is the only fishing I've done since 5* cards even came out

[tacit tulip]

not really much need to farm them given they don't help with atoms