lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[tranquil surge]

my poor bubbles havent seen the light of day

i went stoopid with the obols for like 2 months

only bubbles was the left over liquid and then nblb

doesnt card drop rate snapshot?

or you mean rare drop ay

well if multikill isnt worth boosting il swap them out for drop rate cards yeah

by the looks im gona get about one cc an hour

but thats 10x better than the nothing i was getting

[sacred breach]

i meant drop rate in general tbh, obols if you got em etc

[wheat blaze]

Dont forget to equip the roadkill bubble on bubo.

[zinc torrent]

Does roadkill have a soft cap?

Bubble level

[wheat blaze]

120% hardcap

[zinc torrent]

At which level? I have 88,4 at 196

[stiff prairie]

Infinite

It's 100% at lvl 350.

[tranquil surge]

multikill works in rifts tho right?

[wheat blaze]

Its 120% at around bubble level 1M or something I think? Too high to ever go for at least

[zinc torrent]

Hm. Might be worth working on.
It's 1k atoms per level so not too bad

[stiff prairie]

119.99% at 1mil, but pretty much

[zinc torrent]

Is there a way to see my expected atom prints?

[stiff prairie]

You effectively aim for 350, then let it passively level.

Beause 100% reduction turns that 80k second CD to 40k.

[opaque sun]

im doing hour clicks on roadkill to maybe like 115%

[tranquil surge]

is bm viable for unlocking rifts?

hes my highest class level

[opaque sun]

he is kind of good with the “clear the entire map” thing with the whales

But thats about it

[tranquil surge]

hmm

[opaque sun]

DK/ES/SB can take care of the entirety of rift to be honest

[tranquil surge]

is octodar viable for cc layout?

im tryna hunt that next splicer recipe wondering if i could do 2 birds one stone

[zinc torrent]

If you want a drop from the normal table you should use es tbh

[tranquil surge]

ok

[vocal ibex]

how di i do the rift where its asking me for skulls of 5000

[raven vale]

In3D printer is the Star or the purple swirl God + Lab multi?

[vocal ibex]

i am killing them but its really really slow

[tacit tulip]

Either get more damage or...slowly

[vocal ibex]

im 1 shotting them just thought there was a tecnique

like kill until u get blue or call all yellow leave all white xD

[prisma lance]

I'm doing something wrong with the bubo farming water. Cant get over 160k, now at citringe only 130k with a 3 skills bar. Need some good advice here

[tacit tulip]

You get more points for higher skull kills, and there's a 50% chance a skull upgrades when killing it

Classes that kill the entire map can be slower as there's no mobs for the upgraded skulls to bounce to

[tacit tulip]

More cc
More tenteye
More aura
More bubble
More crystal chance

That's pretty much all that goes into it.

[zinc torrent]

Do you have 3s tent?

[raven vale]

Mana PO box

[zinc torrent]

Is roadkill bubble equiped?

[prisma lance]

Need to be more specific. I have every skill at 231, bubble at 200(89%). Ppls with far less than me said they do 200k CC, how?

[raven vale]

using gloves?

[prisma lance]

no

[raven vale]

use gloves

[stiff prairie]

Gloves get u closer to them so your aura is less likely to go off floor

[zinc torrent]

More move means better spread

[stiff prairie]

More aura on floor, more kills. More tentacle procs, more cdr, more aura

[raven vale]

much higher aura spread, more kills per revive

[zinc torrent]

Granted you also need high ms too

[sharp wind]

Any point upgrading tent to lv 300?

[tacit tulip]

Assuming the % increase goes up there's no harm

[prisma lance]

More aura than this is not possible

[tacit tulip]

That ain't aura bud

[raven vale]

i dont see any

[stiff prairie]

Thats fart not aura

[zinc torrent]

300 tent is 75%

[stiff prairie]

300 tentacle has a 75% chance for 3s reduction.
Lvl 400 is 80% for 4s

[zinc torrent]

Poison ticks super slow compared to auta

[prisma drift]

Fart hits on tic and aura is instant

[prisma lance]

II'l try

Let u know

[stiff prairie]

Its lvl/(lvl+100)% chance for 2+lvl/200 seconds

[stiff prairie]

Aura also does more damage

Also, add teleport in 6th slot

If theres a distance, teleport shortens the time between walking, meaning more kills and more cdr and so on

Somebody mentioned using teleport and ngl, it helps a lot of the enemies are spread out

[muted magnet]

i just had my first divinity grind but failed to get the god what do i do?

[stiff prairie]

And it doesnt cast if youre close.

[prisma drift]

Keep grinding

[raven vale]

In 3D printer is the Star or the purple swirl God + Lab multi?

[stiff prairie]

Stick everybody in divinity till goat god is suggested. The put everybody as goat and lab.

[prisma drift]

Purp

I have doot so all of mine are purple

Otherwise I’d always forget

[stiff prairie]

Doot is balanced

[lost depot]

True

[solemn spire]

Now that i'm unlocking the gods i realize how insane doot is

[stiff prairie]

Still annoyed that pity doot isnt free doot. But at least theres still time for lava to change that

[prisma drift]

That’s why I got 2

[stiff prairie]

Since a true f2per wont gwt doot till 2027. Lava has 4 years to consider changing it

[raven vale]

it'll rotate out sir

[lost depot]

honestly i don't understand why people are even talking about pity doot, like I highly doubt even the most hardcore idleon players will still be here in 4 years

[stiff prairie]

It better not

[lost depot]

The real issue is we can't buy companions for blue gems

without gacha

[stiff prairie]

And theres no way to get green gems.

[lost depot]

Green gems shouldn't exist at all

[stiff prairie]

Without a credit card

[raven vale]

My printer is broken then, ES with Rabbit and full lab unlock is still just a Star

[vocal ibex]

u guys are right im just recycle mine

[prisma drift]

Indeed it is

I just double checked to be sure

And purp is 6x

[raven vale]

no comprende

[lost depot]

We're several months into W5 and there still isn't an "open all" for sailing chests

fml

[prisma drift]

Is it also like that in game?

IE might be tweaking

[stiff prairie]

90k to go on cloud followers. soontm

[raven vale]

which is 8.34x

[prisma drift]

I need 4.5m more

Cloud sound green stack takes so long

[stiff prairie]

Meanwhile mine is displayed correctly.

[prisma drift]

As is mine

[zinc torrent]

Just checked. I swapped stuff around mid cc and missed the first time too and started fresh on a map. Got 160k. Very comfortable.

[prisma drift]

Purple power

[zinc torrent]

What level of revive is enough to always cover all of OJ?

[lost depot]

Are you super limited in points? Because I would just max it

[tacit tulip]

You want it as high as possible for the bigger maps anyway

[zinc torrent]

I think I have some super wasted points too. Mostly I'm limited by books bc I never know what to book next.

[tacit tulip]

Eventually you'll just start hammering the talent point bubble when you need.more

[zinc torrent]

Let me quickly give all endgamers a heart attack

No I cannot screenshot right now.

[raven vale]

holy

someone on reddit was the same yesterday. She didn't know IE existed

had like ultimate sailing with no alchemy bubbles

[zinc torrent]

This is mostly indecisiveness combined with laziness.

But books come fast. Library lvl 111 is quick

This reminds me. I have 5 mini bosses. Gotta clear those on dk quickly

[muted magnet]

how the fuck do you do the frosty firefight

im stuck at wave 10

[solemn spire]

you use the archer ability to not let the stuns reach your rollers

[muted magnet]

hunter?

i dont have my hunter at snowmen

[solemn spire]

you almost need the root for wave 10

get pushing

i remember struggling at that as well

[muted magnet]

ok when i get to snowmen i'll try it

with hunter

only character i neglected

[raven vale]

What Lv towers are you at?

[muted magnet]

13 boulder, 6 frozen, 5 stormcaller, 3 party stater and 2 kraken

[raven vale]

If you get Wave 10, dont feel bad

[tacit tulip]

Then yeah, you're gonna struggle

[muted magnet]

level reccomendation?

[raven vale]

its top left of the infographic

[muted magnet]

oh yeah

[tacit tulip]

That wave 40 guide suggests level 30 boulder

[rustic barn]

Quick question guys, is it correct that i'll have to drop Kattlekruck wings again after aquiring the quest for the 'Divine' trophy? I had it dropped before...

[zinc torrent]

Aight i cleared my books and it takes 9h for 20

[raven vale]

THats quick o.o

[pulsar cliff]

You'll need 10 wing drops on 10 different people.

[rustic barn]

That's a shame tbh...

Got really lucky before and now i have to keep grinding. Really hoped i coule get that trophy early

[zinc torrent]

Is it? I have no semblance of what is quick anymore. End gamers further than me have crazy numbers so I dont know anymore.

[raven vale]

"Early" is kind of a perspective tbh.

[rustic barn]

Well if it would count the scarf and wings in my inv, i'd have the trophy now

[long panther]

Reached w5 yesterday, my cooking and lab are pretty neglected, is getting the 2nd god for divinity still the way to go or should i keep people in lab?

[rustic barn]

Boosted lab quite a bit by having maxed bubo in lab with the talent that gives xp to the lowest leveled Charakter. Cooking gets quite a boost once you have the Voidwalker class unlocked and it's cooking talent boost

[zinc torrent]

Getting bear is priority. After that you can do whatever you want.
But leveling lab is always a good idea. Higher level lets you move more character off bear and still get all bonuses.

[long panther]

Makes sense, guess ill throw atleast my bubo back into lab.

[zinc torrent]

Cooking scales mostly just off itself (and skill efficiency of berserker) so you just have to sit him down in cooking and get things rolling.

Get him chowed as far as you can with little effort and get the efficiency stamp up. Ladles are the way to cook.

Vman gives cook speed for meal level
Atoms give cook speed for lvl30 meals
Cabbage gives cook speed for kitchen upgrades
Some meals give cookspeed themselves

[little pagoda]

Why +0%?

[zinc torrent]

Just got it?

[little pagoda]

Yes

[rustic barn]

Log out and back in , check again

[zinc torrent]

Cloudsafe and relog

[little pagoda]

Will try, thanks

I'm getting pretty lucky with artifact, I got 2 and I still have no idea how sailing even works lol

Should I upgrade first ship or save for second ship?

I can do 1 speed and 1 loot upgrade

[solemn spire]

i'm still saving for 4th ship and not upgrading

[long panther]

BB in kitchen has be enough for now, im 25 days away from atom collider and havent started vman at all.

[little pagoda]

Is maneki cat multiplicative?

[zinc torrent]

Start vman yesterday

[little pagoda]

+308% is much higher than any other coin bonus I ever got before

[pulsar cliff]

Sailing has some really awesome bonuses in it!

[little pagoda]

I just got to w5 is it worth sending my maestro to get kc as soon as I unlock second god or wait till he has higher kph?

[pulsar cliff]

Vman is unlocked in W4 so

[solemn spire]

getting the mushroom kc doesn't take that much time, get the 1m with ES

[little pagoda]

Yeah I know but don't you need to get some crazy high gmush kills with maestro?

[solemn spire]

12m only

[little pagoda]

Well I still need to level him up anyway, probably should do that first

[solemn spire]

getting 1m bloodbone/ram kills was the slowest part for me

[zinc torrent]

Leveling is quick if he can fight in w5

[raven vale]

I'd just candy on BB for the 12M

he needs Chow/Schow anyway

[zinc torrent]

The 12m he has to do himself

[raven vale]

well rip, its been a while

stack that AFK gains and multikill then xD

[zinc torrent]

But just candy all the way those 12m on mman. Its not that much and well worth it

[pulsar cliff]

^

The stacking bonuses from VMan are insane.

[zinc torrent]

A week of candy to get vman is worth months

[pulsar cliff]

Like this.

[zinc torrent]

Oh man I only have 2.2k this leaves me at 86B

Is vman tab affected by slug levels?

[pulsar cliff]

I think some skills are but not all?

[little pagoda]

I had a lot of 24hr candy from quests I completed in the first 4 worlds, only had to use like 5 or 6 to push last 4 world 5 maps along with 3 or 4 12hr. I still have a lot of candy for the mman grind later

[lavish quiver]

top row of vman is only thing affected by +lvl effects

[zinc torrent]

So marrow isn't.

?

[sand summit]

Marrow should be surely

[lavish quiver]

No, and every level matters i went fron 239 -> 245 and that was a 30% increase overall

[sand summit]

Interesting

[zinc torrent]

That would have made the gap between pets and no pets even more infuriating

[raven vale]

You'll probably find it really easy if you're in W5

[lavish quiver]

before/after just the last 6 levels on the skill

[zinc torrent]

Sadly meal levels start to come slowly at some point.

[lavish quiver]

Yea you will need the other sources like stamp/vial and atom

[late minnow]

are these used for anything or recommended to keep? or can i trash em?

[little pagoda]

Yeah that was the goal. It was easier to get to w5 than try to do all the reqs for mman

[little pagoda]

Drop and pick up, then thrash

[late minnow]

aight thx

[lavish quiver]

cosmetic, was added as a way for people to get again when slab was made

[little pagoda]

I still have 2 starter hats that I didn't slab because i was stupid lol

[little pagoda]

I have to farm one from deodated rams lol

[pulsar cliff]

At least you can get 'em through drops.

[little pagoda]

Yeah it's a mob I will grind anyway

[raven vale]

use the premiumify stone

[lavish quiver]

got that yesterday randomly while farming them for greenstack i missed

[late minnow]

fair point i guess haha im not using it on anything else

[zinc torrent]

Ooo use it on the engineer hat

For a DK

[little pagoda]

When I created my last character I had 2 hats I didn't slab, so I chose the one from moonmoons since they're less useful to grind. I prefer to farm dedoated rams

[quiet pewter]

should i not use to the alchemy unlocks for next day but keep only what the bubo doesnt use?

[lavish quiver]

I made all my characters before it was a thing so i had to farm them all

[late minnow]

perfect

[little pagoda]

Have you guys ever seen the idleon sponsored videos from real civil engineer who the hat is based on? It bothers me that him and dangerouslyfunny, another youtube who got sponsored, played the game like ass almost on purpose

Neither of them botherted to learn the game and just spammed candies

[late minnow]

nobody wants to watch content from an afk game

[little pagoda]

Whyen youtube is your job you just half ass it like any other job fr

[late minnow]

makes sense what they did if that's what you're saying

[quiet pewter]

lava probably paid "spend half hour playing this" money rather than "learn the game" money, you get what you pay for

[little pagoda]

It's fine to spam candies the problem is they didn't bother to learn any of the mechanics so the candies actually gave interesting gains for content, they just spammed it getting no kills

[little pagoda]

That's true but the game isn't that complicated if you google for 20 minutes

Plus if I was an indie dev I wouldn't sponsor them based on their half assing of those videos alone

[quiet pewter]

i mean your not an indie dev, so doesnt sound like they are losing any money on that deal

[little pagoda]

lmao I'm a software engineer so who knows?

I'll have you know I made 2 games while I was in college

[quiet pewter]

well they might have been popular if you had paid some youtubers to half ass play them, thats your mistake right there

[zinc torrent]

I feel like this gives people the sense of: wait they look stupid doing it this way. I can do this better

[little pagoda]

lol they weren't monetizable, I stole assets from 2d zelda games

[quiet pewter]

sell them in china, china doesnt care about western copyright

[little pagoda]

Wait another 10 hours for 100% chance?

[pulsar cliff]

I would.

[little pagoda]

Yeah I probably will, plus my mages are going to get to level 5 in 3 hours I think so should be less than 10 for 100%

[granite grove]

do you see the very tempting 10% chance? thats like a chance of getting a big 90% discount and get bear god instantly

[quiet pewter]

this guy gachas

[granite grove]

but fr, just wait and 100% it

[little pagoda]

true and then I wouldn't be able to unlock third god anyway so the discount wouldn't even matter

A couple days ago I unlocked egg bubble and diamon chef just spamming click yellow cauldron, I thik diamond chef was about 12% chance or less and I got it first try

[quiet pewter]

nice

[little pagoda]

Still the luckiest I've been in this game

[quiet pewter]

if you still have locked bubbles, bubo can absolutly melt through alchemy progress is you active him on a high density map with his talent that pushes alchemy

[zinc torrent]

12%
Have fun with the later bubbles :^)

[little pagoda]

i do have about 15-20 bubbles to unlock I think

Haven't couinted em but I need basically all w5 and some w4 bubbles

[quiet pewter]

bubos talent that progresses alchemy also gives cauldron levels to spend on unlocks

so you can unlock real fast

[little pagoda]

Yeah I will definitely make use of bubo after I unlock second god

A lot of things I can do when I'm free from divinity prison

[granite grove]

using bubo that early in divinity stage? how much bubo damage do you have? wondering

[little pagoda]

Not right after, I need to juice up all my character levels first

[zinc torrent]

You are only free of divinity if you get the passive exp. Before then its lab 2

[little pagoda]

Only my ES has decent level everyone else is 100 and some even lower

[quiet pewter]

? you dont even need high dmg, you could run him on slimes if you need to, jsut get those unlocks. alchemy is the most important feature in the game

[little pagoda]

People say soda cans or nothing but I'm sure it's still useful before if you can get decently high kills on weaker mobs

[granite grove]

fair ig, but still quite longer after iirc, like ES first, then DK after enough talents and pushed to OJ bay, then Bubo

or if just need purely CC, yeah i guess could run fairly early

[little pagoda]

the difference from 150 tentacleye to 200 is like 10% if I checked correctly

[quiet pewter]

did w3 chat tell you this?

[little pagoda]

I think so lol

[granite grove]

isnt it 50% increase? like 2s to 3s CD reduction is quite massive

unless if it also reduces by some tiny decimal values

[bold quiver]

10%? no

[quiet pewter]

tentecly 200 is an insance diffrence in progress if you can hit it, 3s cooldown instead of 2s, and it boosts way more than the 50% you might think

[little pagoda]

I saw griffybit doing bubo with stingers, crazy meta that bubo barely uses poison anymore on late game

[bold quiver]

its 50% more CC time + extra activation of the skill so alittle higher

[little pagoda]

Oh then I checked wrong, I didn't notice it went from 2 to 3 seconds, so you're probably right

[quiet pewter]

yeah but on top of that, its instant respwn reset, so in practice much faster than 50% boost

[bold quiver]

yeah

[little pagoda]

Are there other sources of max talent level in w5 that I can access early ish

[quiet pewter]

also lets you have like 3 or 4 auras going at once

[little pagoda]

Or just need to keep grinding blue salts?

[bold quiver]

Blue salts (salt lick) + achievement + atom collider + artifact 3x

[little pagoda]

atom collider and artifact are probably quite far

Nowhere near enough build rate for atom let alone resource generation

[bold quiver]

yeah u can reach 200 without fury artifact. Its kinda of a stretch but its possible

[little pagoda]

I think I can only get to 150 currently

[bold quiver]

decent. CC is very good even without 200 tentacle so dont worry about it

[little pagoda]

with level 100 symbols, ES family bonus and everything

[bold quiver]

make sure u are claiming books as often as u can to get that achievment

[little pagoda]

I am claiming whenever they are useful so I rarely have more than 5 at once

Just claimed some for some extra divinity xp on mages

Also building up that checkout speed slowly but surely

my construction is still really low though, only up to red cogs

[sonic radish]

week 6 of free pulls. we got this boys

[little pagoda]

doot any day now

[bold quiver]

only blooque acc

[little pagoda]

I can't complain, I got all companions except the 2 best ones but the ones I do have still made the game more enjoyable

[solemn spire]

how important are dna splicers for lab?

[little pagoda]

It's a fine update if and only if you don't think too much about it lmao

[pastel heath]

i only dont got blouqe molti and doot lol

divinity is a pain

[little pagoda]

they're important for breeding

do they even help lab?

[solemn spire]

they give lab power

[pastel heath]

no they dont

[solemn spire]

what does the wiki "lab power" then mean? 😦

[pastel heath]

wiki is half fake

[thin rose]

finally done

[tacit tulip]

Guess the question is, where are you seeing that?

[pastel heath]

in wiki it says lab power insted of splicing power

yea thats wrong

[solid goblet]

My beloved dk is best for w5 keys at tremors, right?

[solemn spire]

lmao

[tacit tulip]

funfact: Splice power doesn't even do anything for breeding lol

[raven vale]

probably ES. DK is better for page 2 drops

[pastel heath]

yes its just how much dna you get

@raven valehow you been bro

[raven vale]

Yo, good lots of gains this week

[solid goblet]

Even with es damage

[tacit tulip]

It doesn't even do that

[raven vale]

Bubo?

[pastel heath]

me to reached W5 yesterday

[raven vale]

Heck yeah, time for div and lab grind

[pastel heath]

yes i have 7 guys on divinity going to put my 8th soon

[solid goblet]

I'm on bubo right now but just wanted to ask if there's a more efficient way to grind those keys

[pastel heath]

did a resample few days ago on copper got 2x the amount now around 45k probably can get 50k now

[raven vale]

If bubo is good then i'd maybe stick to bubo. far higher volume of kills

[pastel heath]

already have 4 artifacts guess im lucky

[raven vale]

Heak yeah, thats really good.
I got everyone to void weapons and armour or higher
Everyone Dementia tools or higher

[tacit tulip]

Wurms keys is the one exception to the ES/DK split. DK beats out ES on the key drops because of two factors

1. It's probably the best map for dk, you can get 800-900 orb score
2. ES struggles with high portal count due to the sheer amount of HP wurms have

[pastel heath]

nice i have all dementia armour or better now i will try to go to iron tools all and ice wepons (glacial wepons)

need to go eat lunch brb

[raven vale]

catch you later, bed time for me

[shy lintel]

whats the best way to level up alchemy when you are in world 5?

[ebon thunder]

What does king doot companion do? Does it effect means that all the effects of the gods are active all the time?

[solemn spire]

yeah

[ebon thunder]

So it is good?

[stiff prairie]

Very

[hushed forum]

its gamebreaking

[solemn spire]

basically it enables you to have all you characters in the lab and getting all the other very good bonuses without actually having the players there

also very high pringts

[hushed forum]

and worth to reroll acc to get him and then start playing the game

[stiff prairie]

30% afk gain
Always present in lab
Extra money
Tonnes of extra divinity
Everybody has x6 prints.
Extra damage and x2 to portals.
Everybody gets an additional afk, either refinery, gaming, sailing etc

Thats not including the ones i cant remember

[tacit tulip]

!guide has a list of what it does 😆

[obtuse orbit]

In progress guide to everything about Idleon. Has builds and explanation on early mechanics
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18BpkkUGPSznTOvEMenognPllGvjTchAkcvHUKqrcu64/edit?usp=drivesdk
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[tacit tulip]

Ah they've removed the broke one

• • 30% AFK gains (Snehebatu)
• +200% Total Damage and all kills are x2 for Deathnote. (Nobisect)
• Every character can be brought out of the lab (Arctis)
• Every lab bonus can be activated (Arctis)
• Every character is in Divinity (Arctis + Gohaurt)
• 6x Printing Bonus for everyone (Harriep + Lab)
• Coin bonus from Harriep. (Minor Link Bonus: +100% coins gained for ALL characters!)
• • Talent levels on everyone from Arctis (Minor Link Bonus: +15 Talent LV for all talents above Lv 1)
• When claiming non-candy AFK gains, also progress other subsystems. (Omniphau)
• Divinity Pearls drops for all characters. They give +40% exp to any skill under Lv 50. (Flutterbis)

[keen latch]

Anybody have some suggestions on how to beat W5 Nightmare boss on Blood Berserker? I've got 21b-43b damage, but I can't figure out how to overcome the healing. Can't seem to kill the moles fast enough

[tacit tulip]

Kill the moles faster, simply

[untold saffron]

speaking of doot, 6 hours until i get my free doot

[stiff prairie]

And i forgot flutter.

[tacit tulip]

You get cleave on the melee attack, click 3-4 moles in and you'll swipe the lot

[keen latch]

No kidding?

[thin rose]

[tacit tulip]

There's also two unreleased gods which doot should work with once they come out, too

[south gull]

Dupe?

[pastel heath]

are there going to be pet rotations

[south gull]

Probably

[pastel heath]

bcs if there are and they remove doot everybody who has it is going to be op

[thin rose]

oh ye deffo lmao

[south gull]

[south gull]

Fomo

[untold saffron]

if i have 30 chisels can i do king of food in 1 day or is every character capped to 1 completion a day

[livid raft]

From what i understand its 1 completion per account per day.

[south gull]

It's capped for one completion a day for every char

[stuck shell]

per char per day*

[bold quiver]

3 days to get trophy if u do on all chars

[hardy shale]

how is artifact/ancient chance calculated? the early ones were fairly easy to acquire but as am getting more of later ones the early ones I missed seem to be harder to get? Does the chance to ancient go down for every artifact/ancient you own?

[queen lichen]

Whats the optimal purchase order for the task board on world 5?

[frigid acorn]

!merit5

[obtuse orbit]

IMPORTANT: have atom cost reduction when you're starting to produce atoms

1. loot capacity. sailing artifacts are main w5 progression
2. w5 skill xp. you'll be sitting on divinity for a while, and skill levels help so its good to get it started early
3. respawn. portals get huge in w5
4. boss armor. recommended to save 5 points in preparation for boss armor, that way you'll be able to unlock all the pieces without having to do additional tasks
5. tab4 talent points and star talent: you might be low on elite tab talent points and stats when you're new to w5 but there are other sources. you can prioritize these over boss armor if you're not confident in crafting later armor

[quiet pewter]

the earlier the island the easier it is. ancients and eldritch are something like x3 rarer each (so x9 for eldritch). i dont tknow the exact math but thats the gist of it. no i dont think theres any global count of artifacts that affects it

[pure meadow]

is there any point in going over stage 200 in pet arena?

[gentle furnace]

no

[quiet pewter]

no

[pure meadow]

thanks

[hardy shale]

@quiet pewter so if I intend to buy the ancient upgrade from the gem shops I should focus on getting the earliest artifacts first?

[frigid acorn]

to be cool thats all

[quiet pewter]

if you really want to game it, then yeah get all the easy ancients first and only have a couple of normals that it can upgrade

not sure its worth the effort, but yes it would work. i asaw one guy jump ahead to unlocking the talent level one, and havign only that as normal so he could guarentee the ancient, again probably not worth the effort but it works

you amay lose more sailing progress than you gain by setting this up though

[bold quiver]

or just keep buying and save time

[bright rock]

anyone else ever had an issue with the w2 splice gun recipe? the recipe is lit up in pincermin card drop chart as though ive got it before & so it never drops again but i never got it or it bugged out somehow, idk

[dreamy spruce]

it means you got pincermin card from card pack

you can still get the recipe

[bold quiver]

once uget the recipe the loot is removed from table

[dreamy spruce]

if you had the recipe it wouldnt hsow up at all

[urban gorge]

Does this mean I've gotten the recipe? I can't find it anywhere and am trying to get another, but not getting it

[dreamy spruce]

This means you dont have the recipe

[dreamy spruce]

Like that means you got the card from a card pack

[urban gorge]

huh?

[tacit tulip]

If you can see the recipe, it means you haven't got the item unlocked

If it's not blacked out it means you've picked up a different tab 4 recipe

[urban gorge]

kk, at like 5m kills =X

[tacit tulip]

Keep in mind multikill doesn't work with drop rate

[bright rock]

yea, i can get tons of kills with candy but still no drop

its 1 in 333k, 4m kills not one

oh u just said something i did not consider

mb

[urban gorge]

hmm, so is there no 'true' way to find out how many drop rate kills I've gotten?

[tacit tulip]

Nope

[urban gorge]

if my multi is x13 and I'm getting 88k kills/hr then 88k/13 = 6.7k drop rate eligible kills/hr?

[gentle furnace]

use vman to test max kph

without any mk

[tacit tulip]

Realistically for drops like that you just wanna use ES to force it out

[urban gorge]

I am using my ES

[gentle furnace]

its much more complicated than that

[bright rock]

well ty i used a 24h candy cuz i got few stacked n it worked

appreciate the info :D

[tacit tulip]

You also have to account for lab kills, nobisevt kills, and kill per kill

[dreamy spruce]

is just checking the max kills per map chart the best way of checking then?

[tacit tulip]

Yeah, assuming your account isn't terrible it's quite easy to max most maps now

[urban gorge]

How do you check max kills/map

[dreamy spruce]

theres a screenshot somewhere on discord, but not sure where

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849473649832755231/1129274590242291732/image.png
found it

[fading dust]

Does ES portal DR bonus work for getting suggma 1/50M recipe

Okay then I shall farm when I get higher multikill

[sick sentinel]

any drops that show up on the mob card is ES zone

[urban gorge]

What's the column E/K unit

[sick sentinel]

multikill doesnt help

[urban gorge]

i can't be 1,800 kills/hr

[sick sentinel]

its only droprate

multikill is only for the top left most item on the card

[fading dust]

Oh does multikill only affect how many drops not the rate?

Oh gotcha

[dreamy spruce]

multikill kills only drop 1st drop in drop table

so doesnt affect rare items like woodular circle or bags

[bright rock]

i guess its the same for other killcount modifiers like mob respawn? doesnt actually increase hourly kill cap, is just a multiplier on it or something like multikill

[dreamy spruce]

mob respawn does work

since it gives you more of the actual mob kills

[bright rock]

oo neat

[thorn marsh]

anyone got an alternative to the guide sheet?

[prisma drift]

Mob respawn is huge for afk farming rare drops

I used the mob respawn keychains on vman for farming the suggma recipe and he was getting twice as many urns per hour

[tacit tulip]

I've given up on suggma recipe for now

Getting people to 425/450 for kattle gear instead

[quiet pewter]

are you sure thats all you changed? its big but i dont think it would double it?

[signal osprey]

The new respawn chains are huge

[south gull]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230403011952/https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSnlrC_6oW7P89Os4uECnEB_XOVr6TlPa-QhTC62DrtLnRkzQi1UAMnrEZassEaAQb6Cr3TEZAiSVvz/pubhtml#

[signal osprey]

And suggmas is also a horrible kph map so respawn is more useful there than it is on a lot of other maps

[fading dust]

Is it better to use ES or VMAN

[signal osprey]

Active ES would be the best option by far

If afk vman would probably be a little better but still a lot worse than active ES

[prisma drift]

Indeed

I have a keychain doubler

So it’s 60% respawn

[quiet pewter]

ah ok, cool

thats a big ass keychaon

[prisma drift]

My other guys get 1-2 an hour he gets 2-3 an hour

[tacit tulip]

Yeah that shouldn't double it.

At best, you'd expect that to be a 60% increase assuming you had no other sources of resoawn

[prisma drift]

Well It did

Every 2 hours my other guys claim 3 and he claims 6

He was claiming 3 before they keychain swap

[tacit tulip]

Most likely other factors then? Afk%\drop rate

[quiet pewter]

statistical fluctuation maybe?

[prisma drift]

Ooo actually I also got the DR sigil

Other then that everything is identical

[tacit tulip]

The amount you get is based on the base number of monsters you kill and drop rate

[prisma drift]

I know that’s why respawn is huge for rare drops

Since multi doesn’t help

[tacit tulip]

Yeah, but a 60% increase in spawn isn't gonna double you

[prisma drift]

But it did

I don’t know what to say

[tacit tulip]

Because...60% isn't double

[prisma drift]

I cannot explain it but he went from 3 to 6

[signal osprey]

You said you got the DR sigil too

It probably a combination of the two

[prisma drift]

Just enough Dr to hit another breakpoint

[dreamy spruce]

and the dr talent?

[quiet pewter]

it might be double in lava math? maybe it takes you to 1.01 units per hour instead of 0.99 units and it rounds up or somethign weird

[prisma drift]

Well I know you get a set amount guarantee

Because I always roll 3 for 3+ hours

So maybe the Dr hit a breakpoint to guarantee more for my vman

Since he has a bit more DR from talents

I always forget about sigils since they take so long

[quiet pewter]

the DR also changed, the prosecution rests its case

[twin token]

When should I start unlocking atom collidee?

[quiet pewter]

now

[twin token]

Oh ok

I only have like 40k build rate tho

So it would take 52 days

[quiet pewter]

probably fix your cogs first then

you want a couple squires with a lot of xp buffing arrows pointing at them

squire construction level is the single most important number in construction

[dreamy spruce]

does just take time

[fathom lagoon]

Just start now as your construction rate will increase each day

[quiet pewter]

if your set correctly it takes time, if your not set correctly then time wont help you really

[twin token]

Oh yeah I put my squire on cogs so I can start getting purple

[quiet pewter]

dont put your squire on cogs :/

[twin token]

Yeah now I think abt it that was rlly dum

[strong nova]

asdasfasdsafasf

[twin token]

I just got exited for purple cogs ig

[dreamy spruce]

Grats

[twin token]

Gz

[quiet pewter]

lol fair enough, but yeah you need your squires power leveling on the board

[zinc torrent]

Time for cog clicker

[twin token]

What wave of pet arena do I get 3rd bubble unlocked

I'm rlly tired of having to choose between call me pop and bob

[echo crag]

100

[twin token]

Sadge

[strong nova]

why you need pop

[twin token]

Pope*

[dreamy spruce]

bob on squire way better

[strong nova]

yea, why

[twin token]

More souls

I'm struggling on souls as it is

[strong nova]

it seem you need more wave

[tacit tulip]

put your squires on cogs if you're actively clicking cogs, but move them back afterwards 😄

[twin token]

Maybe I haven't done waves in a bit

[signal osprey]

Bob is non negotiable on squires

You just do it and dont ask questions

[twin token]

Yeah I have that rn

Hammer hammer and Bob on squires and pope on everyone else

[tacit tulip]

Man I am glad to have sheepie

[quiet pewter]

doubling down on specilisation is important, squires pumping out souls never going to be good. squire at lvl 300 construction? gonna be good

[twin token]

Construction obols snapshot right?

As long as u don't go into the menu again

I think I heard griffy say it once but I'm not exactly sure bc I wasn't paying full attention

[signal osprey]

Yeah you can snap con obols

[fathom lagoon]

Damn if you search idleon on Twitter it’s legit all Japanese & Chinese people tweeting about it lol

Never would’ve imagined it’d be that popular there

[twin token]

Is there a list of everything u can snapshot

[little pagoda]

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what bubbles severapurple actually buffs. It says 1, 3, 5, 13 and 15 but 15 is itself?

[quiet pewter]

most features only exist when you look at them

[strong nova]

only hp mp related

[twin token]

It's bubble 17

[signal osprey]

Hp/Mp for prints and then con obols are pretty much the only things snapped

[fathom lagoon]

Severapjrple is 17

[late minnow]

is kattlekruk worse than magma gear since you lose the %all? drop rate and dmg doesn't seem worth it =\

[little pagoda]

Do I only count the passive ones? I guess I just miscounted

[twin token]

Cdr?

[fathom lagoon]

It’s on the 4th page in game

[fathom lagoon]

Count every one

[signal osprey]

Oh yeah I guess you can still do that too

[strong nova]

its good for dr

[signal osprey]

Forget card drop

[strong nova]

so only shoes and head

[quiet pewter]

its mostly better, it will likley be similar in damage

[strong nova]

kattle armor

[fathom lagoon]

The 15th one is the one that reduces bubble upgrade costs

[little pagoda]

So it only buffs skilling bubbles and cost reduction, correct?

And base wis

[twin token]

Just the bubbles losted

[fathom lagoon]

Whatever the #’s say yea

[twin token]

It's not any specific category lol

[strong nova]

before this i use efaunt head all day, now kattle save me

[little pagoda]

They are all skilling bubbles though

[twin token]

Bruhh efaunt head sucks so much after u get like chiz helmet

[little pagoda]

But it does buff alchemy xp so it's prettty good

[fathom lagoon]

Then yea skilling lol, it’s diff for each color (orange purple green)

[strong nova]

its for drop rate

[quiet pewter]

for DR @twin token

[twin token]

It starts to feel horrible

Ik

It gets outclassed in terms of stats way before that

I'm saying the feeling sucks

[quiet pewter]

later on dmg matters a lot less, dr still matters though

[strong nova]

now this all day

[little pagoda]

Worth using it on my drop farmer though?

[twin token]

Maybe I'm just in the middle where I'm looking for dr and damage lol

[late minnow]

so boots are worth losing the 4% all stats?

[fresh plank]

Any news on 3rd skill preset? ;D

[tacit tulip]

Just make full kattle armour on all and screw the consequences

[strong nova]

shoes also have drop rate

[little pagoda]

I have to respec tab 2 every time I want to resample it's so horrible

[strong nova]

even 5% more than head

[little pagoda]

preset 2*

[thorn marsh]

is there a fix to pet arena crashing on the higher lvls due to.... everything?

[fresh plank]

Ikr ;-;

Would be a lot useful on Vman too

[strong nova]

have you try slide performance

[little pagoda]

You can reduce lag by taking off all aniamtion you can in world 4 town and turn on hig hperformance but that's about it

Remove pets from enclosure and stop cooking food but I haven't seen anyone have any other fixes

[thorn marsh]

damn... I crash at 116

[little pagoda]

Luckly I haven't reached the point where it's a problem yet lol

[dreamy spruce]

empty server helps too

[little pagoda]

true

[thorn marsh]

good point

[strong nova]

maybe also remove the shiny from fenceyard, idk after shiny w4 seem lagged hard

[little pagoda]

Maybe you can do something in windows to prioritize idleon performance?

[strong nova]

maybe they tick every minute or else

[little pagoda]

Task manager and then increase priority, close all other programs, idk if that helps

[brittle dagger]

which is better..?

[little pagoda]

Maybe try web version with a high performance browser

[gentle furnace]

for afk deathly cluster

[strong nova]

you can upgrade blankie?

[brittle dagger]

I can't yet

[brittle dagger]

ty

[late minnow]

check your afk kill rate whichever makes the kill number go higher

[little pagoda]

Any way to check alchemy xp gain per hour?

[gentle furnace]

dont think so

[little pagoda]

Sad, I wanted to gauge severapurple's impact but I'll just trust

[tame walrus]

Does unending loot search work when the character is not selected?

hmm it's kinda annoying i either have him skilling a lot or have it my just combat built

[tacit tulip]

If it helps, unending is a trap talent so you're better off not using it in most cases

[tame walrus]

how so?

[tacit tulip]

Say you have maxed boat stuff: 30 chest slots and 20 boats

after 4 hours, you'll max out at 29 chests and your boats will keep doing laps in attempt to upgrade a chest

If you don't use the talent at all, after 4 hours you'll have 30 chests, and 10 boats will park at the docks, with another 10 chests, for 40 total

After another 2 hours the remaining 10 boats will do another lap and bring you back 10 more chests, for 50 total

This makes your chest cap 29 vs 50 if you don't use it

It's almost never worth the RNG of trying to upgrade the 29 chests than it is simply opening the 50

[tame walrus]

unless like i check twice a day?

[tacit tulip]

You need to either check really often (less than 2 hours) or really infrequently (24+) for it to maybe be worth it

[little pagoda]

Is sailing account wide? Any reason I should be on siege breaker when claiming stuff or doesn't matter?

[rigid cloak]

Pure lazyness

[gentle furnace]

doesnt matter if you're aiming for artifacts

[little pagoda]

I'm aiming for everything, just unlocked it yesterday but have been lucky and have 2 artifacts already

[tacit tulip]

The talents just need to be on the current preset on SB

Beyond that it doesn't matter

[little pagoda]

I also just got a 13% bubble unlock but I'm not risking the 10% divinity thing, waiting for points for 100% lol

Not pushing my luck

[pastel heath]

lol i just got bear on 10%

[bold quiver]

lol

[little pagoda]

Not about to waste hours worth of points lol

[tranquil vale]

hi there, is there any guide sheet? the one i had became the doot breakdown 😦

[little pagoda]

I just got my mages to level 5 so shouldn't take too much longer for bear

[bold quiver]

!guide

[obtuse orbit]

In progress guide to everything about Idleon. Has builds and explanation on early mechanics
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18BpkkUGPSznTOvEMenognPllGvjTchAkcvHUKqrcu64/edit?usp=drivesdk
Video Guides (by GriffyBit):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVGSDQs1AcvjYTAPtYV6ofbeeEfHpEcb4

[bold quiver]

no idea if that one has pets/TD =/

[dreamy spruce]

seems like it doesnt

[little pagoda]

Someone linked wayback machine version of the guide

[bold quiver]

useless then

TD/pets was the only worth thing on that other guide

[haughty sedge]

where can i find divinity gods set up?

i have all

[bold quiver]

there isnt. Up to u

[little pagoda]

damn, webarchive version of TD/pets not loading, uh oh

[frail mauve]

https://web.archive.org/web/20230403011952/https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSnlrC_6oW7P89Os4uECnEB_XOVr6TlPa-QhTC62DrtLnRkzQi1UAMnrEZassEaAQb6Cr3TEZAiSVvz/pubhtml#

[bold quiver]

If u want prints u do sample setup, if u want portal u do portal setup, if u want gmush, gmush setup, if u want skilling , skilling setup, if u want refinery, u do refinery setup

If someone tells u that there is a best setup he is lying

[haughty sedge]

there was a spreadsheet with a set up before

but now it got removed

[bold quiver]

yeah the atom print setup

[haughty sedge]

for reasons and i dont remember what set ups were there

[bold quiver]

6 harieph 1 purmep 3 omnipahu

[tranquil vale]

yeah i had that spreadsheet previously too, but they took it down cus of doot

[pastel heath]

just go for the 10% its faster an you have the same chance

[tacit tulip]

Best setup is doot

[tranquil vale]

its not loading but thanks anyways

[frail mauve]

Damn

[bold quiver]

meh, doot doesnt matter if the player is dumb

[little pagoda]

How does divinity help refinery?

[bold quiver]

still wont be able to progress

[little pagoda]

loaded for me

[frail mauve]

Its loading for me

[dreamy spruce]

omni

[bold quiver]

Omniphau can boost it
afk hour claim is converted in one of the 6 areas w4/w5 + refinery

[tranquil vale]

ah i'll try again, thanks

[little pagoda]

100% is not the same as 10% lol

[pastel heath]

how many point is the 100%

[bold quiver]

@little pagoda So daily u can get on average 4 extra hour of refinery per character using omniphau god

[little pagoda]

Ohhh just found refinery stamp on w5 shop, I should get that lol

[fading dust]

Unfortunately you get 10 attempts at a 10% chance (not guaranteed) which is different from 1 attempt at a 100% chance (guaranteed)

[pastel heath]

but you can get it from the first try like i did

[bleak gazelle]

or you can take the three 1% rolls and get it

[fading dust]

Damn lucky king 👑

[potent gust]

I miss playing the game but I take it 100%

[fading dust]

You get two crowns 👑👑

[pastel heath]

yes thanks and i got a blankie today on my 6th kill

[little pagoda]

You can't even guarantee 10 attempts at 10% since the offerings change every time you roll

[tranquil vale]

ah its working now, thanks all

[bold quiver]

@little pagoda
This is my GOD linking progression (for speedrunning content AKA Nightmare W5boss ). In case u wanna know. Something like;
1st - majority bear Divinity unlocking Goat
2nd - Majority goat Lab lvl 40-50
3rd - Majority Bear 3k family lvl
4th - 9 omniphau 1 purmep until u finish most of sailing
5th - 6 harieph 4(+2) Omniphau - After finishing sailing best eldrich

[fading dust]

Do the 1% gambas like me and Ace

[pastel heath]

lol

[little pagoda]

lol I will just wait

[haughty sedge]

go giftbox

[fading dust]

Go giftbox

[little pagoda]

horrible advice 10% is just gonna set me back a few points

[haughty sedge]

i unlocked a god with 1%

[fading dust]

No its a 10% chance of success tho 👀

[little pagoda]

lmao I will pass

[vapid shuttle]

oh great, a 1%er

[bold quiver]

u would have to be very dumb to click left side with 100% on right

[serene solstice]

I unlocked 2 gods with 1% xD

and 2 with 5%

[lost beacon]

I got God Tier 1 at 10%. 10% works 50% of the time

[little pagoda]

Don't understand 90% of that yet but I will see what I can find

[fading dust]

Same

[bold quiver]

o/

[serene solstice]

and I think one god rank was with 1% too

and one with 10% and one with 5% xD

[little pagoda]

I don't see the point of speedrunning w5 maybe if w6 releases tomorrow

[bold quiver]

i still dont have god rank

mostly cuz i spent almost 2 weeks clicking left ride failing

then gave up '.'

[little pagoda]

This math doesn't add up

[serene solstice]

it does take ridicoulus amounts of div points so understandable

[stark crypt]

Does linking do anything if I have doot?

[vapid shuttle]

@little pagoda it makes perfect sense - it works, or it doesn't. 50%

[bold quiver]

And that was with 8 out of 10 character on last mantra ok? not even i could tank that

[fading dust]

He probably had 2 attempts

[fading dust]

The math adds up now

[pastel heath]

if i have 2Es does the bonus exp count for both of them so like if each give 50% its 100% bonus exp or i just get the bonus from one ES

[little pagoda]

so true bestie

[bleak gazelle]

Still need 1 linked to Purrmep, but otherwise it's just char select screen cosmetics

[little pagoda]

I'm a god gamer you can't fool me

[zinc torrent]

These bonuses never stack

[bold quiver]

i wish lava would change how doot works to giving thebonus of only unlocked gods. Its so sad the way it is

[pastel heath]

so then i dont need a 2nd es for the bonus

[bold quiver]

Its the same as making sheepie automaticaly give u all big bubbles

[little pagoda]

Is there a strat to this or just open chest as I get them?

[zinc torrent]

Second es is very strong if you dont have doot

[bleak gazelle]

Could change it so it only gives major blessings and you still have to link for minor...or vice versa

[bold quiver]

and even with doot bubo is just inferior to another ES so, no other way around it

[bold quiver]

meh

[serene solstice]

just open

[bold quiver]

if it only gave the major bonus it wouldnt be worth pulling for doot

[little pagoda]

no artifact sadge

[zinc torrent]

Would still be super powerful

[bold quiver]

indeed but not worth spending that much money imo

[serene solstice]

you will have fun later when you have only 0.02% chance for artifact

xD

[little pagoda]

Oh I know looking forward to it

[zinc torrent]

Is it even worth it now?

[twin token]

Do minibusses health get buffed by midas

[bold quiver]

only if u wnat speed progression

speed progression then quality of life

Otherwise it doesnt do u anything outside it

[little pagoda]

It's alright I already got maneki cat I can farm money and upgrade a lot of stuff as soon as I have second god

[bold quiver]

Your acc might be stronger in terms of overall power but its empty power

[zinc torrent]

Its hundreds of euros.

[serene solstice]

I spent 160€ for my doot

[bold quiver]

U can still clear all content easily the same way as before

[serene solstice]

still missing rift slug tho

[little pagoda]

same

[bold quiver]

doot only allow new players to progress faster (if they know what they are doing lol)

The extra dmg u get from all his bonuses is empty power, doesnt benefit u in the game (progression wise)

[zinc torrent]

I disagree.

[serene solstice]

^

[zinc torrent]

The power from afk gains and prints is substantial

Nothing can compare

[bold quiver]

Ok so tell me friend. I already had power to kill all kattle w5 nightmare bosses without doot, AND my acc was created end of february

[bleak gazelle]

idk if any buses get buffed by midas

[bold quiver]

What is doot giving me in terms or content progression?

[zinc torrent]

This is an incremental game. Multipliers feed more multipliers.
The entire reason is big number go up

[bold quiver]

What progression on content is doot giving me?

[tranquil vale]

is there any specific order to get shiny pets? is it better to unlock those for shiny level up rate?

[bold quiver]

This is an incremental MMO

[bleak gazelle]

"mmo"

[bold quiver]

MMO is not pointless incremental

[haughty sedge]

go for the infinity stars

[serene solstice]

get the one what makes shiny pet lvling faster and then go for stuff you need or want

[bold quiver]

U get more power to clear content. As of now there isnt a single content that require so much dmg to clear

[serene solstice]

oh right go for infinite star signs after the one that make shiny pet lvling faster

[tacit tulip]

And I'm sure extra power won't help at all when world's 6,7 and 8 come out

[little pagoda]

Which means when w6 comes, doot is gonna matter

[zinc torrent]

You're arguing a moot point.
This is like saying everyone pushing for trils of damage and higher and higher prints is wasting their time. They don't need it in your opinion so why should they bother?

[bold quiver]

exactly kkkkkkkkkk we will always have too much power for new worlds

[tacit tulip]

A doot point

[bold quiver]

pain of being older players

[little pagoda]

But honestly i'm not too bothered by it, trying not to take this game more seriously than I already am, it's just a hobby so whatever

[zinc torrent]

Eyyyyy

[bold quiver]

yeah dont worry, not having doot changes absolutely nothing on your progression or gameplay. And wont even with future content

[zinc torrent]

I'll Stay on my point. Doot and pets in general in their current form were a mistake and the monetization is highly unethical

[tacit tulip]

Inb4 100m portals to incetivise using doot for afk gains for portal pushing in world 6

[bold quiver]

200M!

[little pagoda]

You're not wrong but I do think people took it way too seriously. I understand it took some people's enjoyment out though

[zinc torrent]

Why way too seriously? The people that spent a lot of time for the community that were banned or left took down what they created. This is well within their right. If that is what you're talking about

[bold quiver]

being an old player and contributing to whatever doesnt give u the right to attack the creater of any game that is also trying to make a living. So ban deserved if he/she did that

[little pagoda]

They weren't banned for being bummed out, they were banned for their actions

[bold quiver]

i saw the chat onthe day and following day doot was release. All those bans were 100% deserved

[little pagoda]

You can literally stop playing whenever you want and lava doesn't owe you anything. You can dislike something and stop playing

Is it a bit unethical? Sure

[zinc torrent]

A significant amount was banned our permanently muted for disagreeing with the direction that game was taking and talking about it in a civil manner.

[little pagoda]

But thewre's nothing fundamentally "wrong"

[tacit tulip]

The problem becomes quite quickly that it's trivial for lava to change things in future content that are suddenly easier using doot

Add in 10b deathnote? Easier with doot
Increase Def/acc required to be much higher? Easier with doot

Make new stamps cost more? Easier with doot

Two gods currently unutilised? Doot

W7 needs level 150 skilling for tool? Doot gives more skilling exp

Every balancing decision from now on will be made with doot in mind, even if unintentionally

[little pagoda]

Have you guys ever played a game called bit heroes?

It's very similar to this game iirc, I played a few years ago and the monetization was orders of magnite more unethical

[bold quiver]

i Doubt it will. Lava's games have always been extremely balanced for f2p players xD and until this day there hasnt been a content that there wasnt. EVEN w5 boss release which was done AFTER doot mind u

[little pagoda]

I don't remember the specifics but to have good equipment you were forced to gamble for some specific piece that I don't really remember, basically if you didn't have it you couldn't reach the end

It was random too, so you weren't guaranteed anything good when buying

[zinc torrent]

Just because EA exists this doesn't absolve other devs from making awful unethical decisions and showing their community the middle finger.

[little pagoda]

the game was good, but looking back into it and comparing to this, this is so much better

[zinc torrent]

I have to work. Cya

[bold quiver]

i can guarantee u that any new player sthat starts playing now will love companions XD

[little pagoda]

You basically get enough gems for free to get everything you need in the game. It doesn't have ads, it doesn't force you to buy anything (can argue how important doot is), but the monetization in this game is very tame and very much optional

[bold quiver]

its 1 free weekly pull with the chance to get something amazing for the game that u dont even understand. THey love it, i would

[bold quiver]

And u might not know but this is ony of the only games where u can literaly farm infinite gems later

[serene solstice]

send help killing normal amarok for 3h straight...

[bold quiver]

meaning that u can buy the whole gem shop whenever u want later in the game, without spending a single dolar

[little pagoda]

I actually think the monetization is TOO optional, can't be cheap running an MMO and most players I bet don't even feel the need to buy gems

[bold quiver]

take my strenght

[little pagoda]

exactly

[serene solstice]

and now I am quittingn the game with this screen

[bold quiver]

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

i had 10 gems left, so i will try to farm some in case lava put something new on shop

[serene solstice]

just send me screen when you finished all runs

[bold quiver]

yeah ill talk to u in 4 days then lol

[serene solstice]

ye

sure

I am always here xD

[little pagoda]

When I reached world 5 I could buy most important gem shop upgrades with just gems i got fro free from quests

And I don't even farm most daily gems

[bold quiver]

yeah this igame is so good for f2p

its a struggle in the beginning but as u progress gem farming starts to get easier and easier

[serene solstice]

I need to say farming normal kattle isn't a problem because its not dropping too much stuff that takes time to drop on floor

but amarok and chizo are painfull

[little pagoda]

However, I think the major thing this game is missing is cosmetic purchases

[bold quiver]

in case u wanna know its 1 second faster than chizoar 1.1

[little pagoda]

That you have to buy

[bold quiver]

true. There could be some better cosmetics, like armor and stuff

[little pagoda]

Wouldn't hurt progression and give people a reason to pay to support the game

If I were lava I'd be working on modeling character cosmetic armor that you can only buy for money

[bold quiver]

cosmetics is life

[tawdry epoch]

Dont know why lava removed the cosmetic part of the shop

[dreamy spruce]

cant really make cosmetics without transmogs / slot like terraria

[serene solstice]

what I still need is a character delete possibilty and an item to rename character...

[bold quiver]

would be nice

[delicate thistle]

so how does it work exactly? it just rolled a bunch of numbers

[fathom lagoon]

Rename plz

[little pagoda]

Wouldn't it suck to delete a character and have to grind another one?

[serene solstice]

I need both xD

[fathom lagoon]

Rng and the gold nugget is the multiplier for your bits

[serene solstice]

not really

[little pagoda]

Some of the game progress is unskippable

[haughty sedge]

whats the soft cap for gmush kills?

[delicate thistle]

so 19.7x? damnnn

thats beeg

[serene solstice]

I don't need a skip I just want to delete my 4th warrior to get a third archer xD

[fathom lagoon]

Yea. Trust me it gets crazy high, mine is 45,000. Other people have over 100k lol

[delicate thistle]

niceee

[little pagoda]

is it impossible to switch base class?

[serene solstice]

I saw ppl with 400k+ nuggets xD

[fathom lagoon]

Atm yea

[serene solstice]

no

[fathom lagoon]

Oh I thought it was?

[serene solstice]

its not possible to change base class

you can't switch from warrior to archer or mage or so

[fathom lagoon]

Oh lol so answer is yes it is impossible

[serene solstice]

you can just change from shaman to wizard or ES to Bubo

with the right item ofc

thats why I want a possibilty to delete a character

[pure meadow]

is there a list of skills that are getting the biggest boost by being lvl 200+?

[serene solstice]

or just reset one or so

[pure meadow]

like for example the revive skill from bubo?

[little pagoda]

It's understandble in a way, because then the optimal play would be to change between classes to get their benefits then change back to what you need

[dreamy spruce]

you can check wiki for breakpoints on skills like that, but kidna tedious

[fathom lagoon]

I’m not aware of one, you should make a list

[delicate thistle]

im guessing its best ever right?

[pure meadow]

awww, thanks though =p

[glad crow]

i just booked every single one of my bubos talents too 245 😄

[fathom lagoon]

Yea it’s hard to get the high chunks, completely rng w low chances

But you can increase those chances & cap by leveling the shovel

[pure meadow]

thats the endgame goal, but my library is still way to slow

[fathom lagoon]

What unlocks being able to max book w 20 checkouts?

[delicate thistle]

with the 20x now gaming is gonna zoom for a while

[serene solstice]

still at 40k

[little pagoda]

automation arm

[fathom lagoon]

Aaah nice I’m currently unlocking the 4th level of automation

MSA has been nice tho

[serene solstice]

I am crying in const because of this

it takes ages...

[fathom lagoon]

Wtf 17b

I thought atom collider was bad w 50m

At my current rate atom collider gonna take me 28 more days lol

[serene solstice]

and you can get to max lvl 120 tower lvls I think..

and I am close to get 100 max lvls for my shrines

[fathom lagoon]

What do you mean? The max increases?

[noble bane]

it doesnt get much better

[serene solstice]

it will ruin this

[glad crow]

mine is only here

[serene solstice]

damn

[serene solstice]

atom colider bonus of it for every lvl it gets 2 max lvls

oh boy I go cry

[glad crow]

and msa

[serene solstice]

it goes up to max 130

superbits increases atom lvls by 10 so it goes to 100 with them and 2500 total building lvls give another 30 on it

ok its fr time to cry

holy

[signal osprey]

Its not even possible to max them out anytime soon

[serene solstice]

and this is just poisonic

[signal osprey]

The cost scales too high

[serene solstice]

I don't want to know how voidinator looks like........

[serene solstice]

oh boy....

[serene solstice]

mine is just 16

why you showing me this

I want to cry more and more

[haughty sedge]

go cry then

[stuck sinew]

What does the squirrel do

[noble bane]

tbh, voidinator doesnt really need to be past level 1 for 130 runs, it's only for pushing msa level

[serene solstice]

ik

[signal osprey]

You need to level it later on for TD

If you're doing 140+

But just unlocking prayers can be done at level 1 void

[noble bane]

yeah, that's what i meant for pushing msa level, level 1 voidinator is enough to unlock prayers

[serene solstice]

my const rn

[echo crag]

click the squirrel to gather your nuts and spend them on +bit bonus or faster cycle time bonus

[toxic token]

Is there a reason killing crystal mobs awards very little exp compared with other monsters?

[serene solstice]

pushing them to get all tds to 130

[serene solstice]

actually it should be opposite

[dreamy spruce]

dont think you need boulders or fire boys for that do you?

[serene solstice]

crystal mobs should give most xp

its for atom bonus the dmg one

for every lvl of a tower over 50 you get 2% dmg bonus

for the towers

[dreamy spruce]

ah

[toxic token]

normal monsters give 441k, crystal giving 1.3k

but doesn't happen all the time

[serene solstice]

I am lvling mad with crystal mobs in w5 normal mobs giving me less than them

[toxic token]

I've seen there is a timer so they reduce stats

[serene solstice]

idk whats wrong with your crystal mobs

[glad crow]

is this max charge part not true, or does it just not show it probally

[toxic token]

so the longer they're alive, the less exp they give

[stiff prairie]

The best ever value you get is your multiplier.

[toxic token]

I'm far from 100% hit rate, but they die quick regardless

[sick sentinel]

thats just from the talent on the wiki right

then it doesnt have any other max charge sources

or are you just meaning the max charge from the talent

its easier to see on IE i guess

jk it displays the same dif on IT too, i'm all out of sorts

the extra charge only pops up when u use the talent

[quiet pewter]

yeah the talent works as intended, but is temporory increase

[little pagoda]

What the hell how did i spawn 3 crystal mobs in 5 seconds? I don't think I got any crystal mob buffs

I was just killing group boss

[quiet pewter]

did your day reset?

[little pagoda]

I think so but I don't have any of those guaranteed crystal buffs unless there is something I got from sailing or divinity the past day

[quiet pewter]

well if your day reset and you suddenly got crystal mobs... you probably have some bonuses that give that

[little pagoda]

I don't have the merit shop thing

[sick sentinel]

theres one you get from reaching w5 i believe

[little pagoda]

Ohh okay then thats it

From achievement?

[quiet pewter]

isnt there a sigil too

[stuck sinew]

Cool, just unlocked and not sure what “acorn shop” is. Lemme check. Thnx

[tacit tulip]

this question comes up a lot when players are new to w5, they don't have the task board unlocked but it still works 😄

[long panther]

That explains why i got 4 while fighting the mushroom miniboss in w4.

[little pagoda]

Yeah that one. I thought task set in w5 wasn't out?

[long panther]

Sucks that you have to finish a quest to see achievements.

[tacit tulip]

you have to do the quest the npc at the board has

[sick sentinel]

task board is over by the suggma portal, need to unlock it tho

[little harbor]

Should I activate the atom collider as soon as possible?

[little pagoda]

Just saw it, I haven't expplored w5 town at all

[tacit tulip]

pretty sure w4 task board was the same haha

[quiet pewter]

probably, mostly because its fun. to actually use it effectivly youll need multi-million per hour samples

[little harbor]

Ive been leveling the collider, almost lvl20 now. Seems like i should start. My chop samples are now multi million per hour.

[little pagoda]

Not pushing that until I have bear god

[tacit tulip]

That's a solid time to go for it then

[quiet pewter]

you dont actually have to ever turn it on btw, it auto works beyong 1050M. if you do turn it on double check its set to a high limit

your first priority should be atoming the first 3 bubbles on warrior and wizard as these increase sample, so you suse atoms to feed making more atoms

[fathom lagoon]

W4 task board? It’s ez tho

[little harbor]

So Level those bubbles until they get leveled by atoms instead of mats?

[little pagoda]

w5

[quiet pewter]

btw the collider lvl is almost useless in construction, you might want to free up the slot for somethign else

[tacit tulip]

20 collider before even using it is astonishing tbh

[quiet pewter]

its like a 2% discount?

[fathom lagoon]

Ah ok, yeah the only time gate really is the portal kill count

[fathom lagoon]

It’s worth pushing goat if you have the patience

[little harbor]

Thanks for help. Making adjustments now.

[little pagoda]

Shouldn't I go actually update samples, level characters etc with goat?

Oops, bear

[quiet pewter]

have fun, once you get it set your samples will go 1M -> 10M -> 100M pretty fast

[fathom lagoon]

You just got to w5? I’d start w focusing on gaming sailing & div, try to get to goat so you can lab & get div xp/points at same time while you have others who are out either pushing or skilling or whatever

[little pagoda]

gaming and sailing are passive though

[fathom lagoon]

Or just get doot and skip all that lol

Yea but you’ll want some sailing artifacts before really focusing on sampling

[vapid shuttle]

i dont like the part where you can be in lab but not get xp 😦

[fathom lagoon]

Talking about arctis?

[vapid shuttle]

think so

[little pagoda]

Well I'll see, lemme get bear first then I will think

[fathom lagoon]

Yea the bear, I mean it’s nice when you have doot but to keep multiple people connected to arctis can be a waste imo (without doot )

[little pagoda]

Yeah but it's temporary, I have a lot of stuff I can upgrade now

Like farm some money for stamps, levels for some characters, etc

[tacit tulip]

It's time 👀

good start 😄

[fathom lagoon]

Yeah honestly everyone’s priorities are diff, long as you’re making progress lol that’s how I look at it

My current setup isn’t the most optimal either but it works for me

[fathom lagoon]

Sheeesh

[quiet pewter]

nice work

[tacit tulip]

just another...650 levels to go

[quiet pewter]

why that value?

[tacit tulip]

90% of max effectiveness

For that bubble

[quiet pewter]

returns will be very diminished towards end of that?

[tacit tulip]

It caps at 50% level 900, is 45%

for example, already done the minig one

[quiet pewter]

oof

i mean its impressive, but is it really needed to push that one skill so much? up to yourself how you play ofc

[tacit tulip]

Yeah, it's a feedback loop

[sand lantern]

how do ppl have their main stats in 10ks?

[tacit tulip]

Level those bubbles = more prints = more atoms = more bubbles

[sand lantern]

do they jus upgrade their bubbles everyday

[serene solstice]

🤔

[little pagoda]

When do I get liquid caps into thousands? Mine is like 100 at most