lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[rustic garnet]

I'd suggest there is an argument to keep people on div gain (Goharut)

yes, 5 out cuz ES is with bear

you could have 2 ES with 4 in

which I think is pretty cool play

but not everyone has 2 ES

[golden gust]

if im pushing one of them needs to be nobisect though

[rustic garnet]

That's fine

[golden gust]

ideally

[rustic garnet]

both ES can be Nobiset+Bear

that's the point

[tacit tulip]

I tend to use bear as primary link on the ES' cause you swap them about a lot

doesn't use my divinity swaps to change their secondary god

[rustic garnet]

ok, fair

I haven't changed either for ages

and you get 2 per week now

[tacit tulip]

that too

[narrow cloak]

for the skull points rift is there a strategy to do it significantly faster or do i just turn on auto and go afk?

[peak swallow]

Lucky me. Time to get my badger

[modern plaza]

nice! gives a lot of sailing speed which is nice

[peak swallow]

Yea working on getting all ancient trophies there lol only like 3 more clouds to unlock as well. Getting close to 1b damage in my main

[modern plaza]

nice! yeah i haven’t even collected some of the more prestigious artifacts yet. focusing on slowly eldriching up bc ocd kek…

those final artifacts are huge gains tho

[peak swallow]

Yea I’m systematically doing each trophy now til I get ancient and then moving on. Already have like 14 ships/crew just need them to farm out the chests and claim crazy afk time

[serene solstice]

anyone have a setup for frosty firefight TD?

for wave 110+

[zealous niche]

!guide

[obtuse orbit]

Here's a guide with loads of essential information about the game. Obols, Pets, Gems - all of it! Check it out!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSnlrC_6oW7P89Os4uECnEB_XOVr6TlPa-QhTC62DrtLnRkzQi1UAMnrEZassEaAQb6Cr3TEZAiSVvz/pubhtml#

[zealous niche]

This has it iirc

[surreal kite]

What the hecc is this?

[ashen marsh]

green stack

[forest berry]

a green stack for when you reach 10M of a single item

theres a lab bonus that gives you damage per greenstack

[surreal kite]

ah! Thank you!

[earnest bolt]

is there any way to loot all in sailing? I only check once a day and spam clicking through them gets annoying

[cobalt nimbus]

Is there a chance that the green gems bundle coming back before companion rotation?

[versed cypress]

bundles rotate i think on your weekly reset so check then or check daily to see if you catch it

also bundles can oly be bought once

[zinc torrent]

Should i work on god ranks once unlocked all gods or the gains are very, very minimal from ES skill?

[versed cypress]

its... somethign you do when you have nothing lse to do the gains are not really worth it for how much time it coests to get the god ranks

[zinc torrent]

Ok thank you@versed cypress

[opaque sun]

At best, you will only reach god rank 3

God rank 4 maybe by christmas is you div focus real hard

[full cobalt]

why does this happen? waiting for server

anytime i try to claim free pet on ios

it consumes my free pet o the week and stays like that til i close app

or leave petyard

BabyRage

[frigid acorn]

you using ios for the game ?

[full cobalt]

yea when i’m not near my desktop

is it sketchy?

[gusty steeple]

Is midnight stopwatch bis for afk?

[glossy rain]

guys why are there a second pair of neyeptunes in ie for zowing?

got 999 kills on these but im done with the others

[frigid acorn]

its complicated , in few words , apple say no then it is

[versed cypress]

the companions are currently having many issues on iOS

[prisma drift]

iOS in general is having issues

I haven’t been able to run daily event bosses or dungeons for over a month on iOS lol

(In a party)

[fallow aurora]

from 15.9 to 52.7

[frozen prairie]

!refinerychart

i tried

does anyone have it?

[full cobalt]

thx y’all!

[inland meteor]

First pin w3-4 i believe

[frozen prairie]

ty

[azure spindle]

aside from w5 weapons and mat bags, do any recipes need hampters?

[ocean fox]

does anybody have the chart for how alchemy bubbles scale?

[visual lava]

The wiki

[fallen torrent]

#Safe in canada

our town few hours ago

i was in the tornado area but i was inside my job building and its solid as fk. got lucky xD

[raven vale]

Do i have to Zow/Chow/Schow every individual rift mob?

[dapper prism]

No just any

[raven vale]

Like it'll sum all Rift mob kills or 100M on one single one?

[dapper prism]

just remember their hp starts to scale huge, i was on r31 with 2m+ kph but didnt Superchow until r41 and my kph sank to 600k kph

[dapper prism]

yes, Chow is never really mob based but actually map/zone based, thats why there's the hidden chow/zow of same mobs like the nutto at TD in tree that counts etc.

[raven vale]

Ahh, i understand now. Thank you

[tough pelican]

is there a list of stats I should be prioritizing for sailing captains?

[dapper prism]

speed and loot

[tough pelican]

ok i've been maining loot with one captain with exploring cloud stats

[opaque sun]

possibly artifact chance when near end of sailing and not much need in treasures

[tough pelican]

im still early in it, unlocking island 4 now

[dapper prism]

Speed+Cloud on one would probably be more beneficial than loot+cloud

[opaque sun]

Issue with speed cloud is by the time you level the captain, most of the cloud discovery will be done

[tough pelican]

my cloud guy is speed and cloud, the rest i was just getting double loot on since im maxed at 2hr for the first 3 islands

but figured i'd need to start looking for meta captains

[dapper prism]

Eh, should still check for speed because the island distance scales hugely

and then towards the end you can start replacing them again

[tough pelican]

ok i'll start replacing my single looters with speed+loot

[opaque sun]

speed is important early, then as you get other sources of speed, loot becomes important. Then end game you pretty much only care to farm artifacts, so artifact chance become somewhat important

[dapper prism]

Also depends on rng and setup

I got my eldritch so quick that i barely had to worry about arti chance

[opaque sun]

there will always be more after eldrtich

[dapper prism]

Also loot value seems to scale arti chance as well?

[opaque sun]

its more for preparing for updates than for eldritch

[tough pelican]

artifact wise im trying to get the basic of each before i fully leave the island. figured id want an artifact captian before going for the advanced artifacts

[opaque sun]

loot doesnt do anything for arti

better chest rarity does

super super super endgame loot becomes important again when you can start to reliably farm treasures in Billions to do alchemy bubble clicks

[dapper prism]

idk even at end game now i like loot value more, easily get everyones speed and stats higher to get more boats to higher islands

currently backtracking lower islands to get everyone to ~50m+ speed

[opaque sun]

Thats not really endgame

[dapper prism]

There's literally nothing else in sailing after 50m speed, so its end game to me?

[opaque sun]

But you are not done with it yet, so its late game

End game is preparing for future artifact addition

[dapper prism]

meh, to me end game as definition as well is the final stage of something

The last step for current stuff to me is hitting 50m speed

"future content" is also just a prediction without any source

[opaque sun]

end game is when you upgrading stuff that doesnt add any to your progress besides flexing and preparing for updates

[dapper prism]

Yeh sorry but no. End game is the final stage.

[opaque sun]

When you start to flex with 200k def, that end game

when you working on damage and gains, thats still late game

Also im not saying loot is useless

Just saying artifact chance captains gains more importance when things are done

[dapper prism]

You have your opinion and i have mine, all good.
Either way ill disagree on that part as to me that opinion sounds like saying:
someone who is defeating and killing the final bosses on hardest difficulty in an mmorpg like wow isnt end game, even though they have everything else, then just claiming they are "just late game". If there's nothing more to it at the current state then to me that's end game, cant say "he has to have finished it all a dozen times and be maxed out in ilvl to be end game"

[opaque sun]

risk management wise, i have 10 loot focus captains, and 10 artifact captains with hybrid of loot

when you speak in class levels, its early game. When you speak in damage, its mid game. When you speak in samples its late game. When you speak in some arbitrary stats that doesnt affect your progress, welcome to end game

[dapper prism]

PS: End game can obviously change depending on public info. Like if "Uber Artifacts" were teased, but none of that has been done afaik so the current only sailing thing is eldritch.

For gaming at least it's different as we can assume there's one extra tab that we will unlock at some point as the UI is implemented

[dapper prism]

And we are purely talking about a specific mechanic of the game, purely sailing, not the whole account progress but just sailing+artifacts.

[opaque sun]

with end gamers left after the doot incident, the endgame bar did lower a lot sadly

[crisp silo]

man when we gonna get the next tony gemshop tier list

[sick sentinel]

Never lmao

[fathom grove]

I’ll be forever mid game pushing my damage

[opaque sun]

you can theoretically be pushing damage as endgame when you are way past the point where further damage does nothing but meme and discord flex

[haughty cove]

what can i do with these

[dapper prism]

Wiki 👀

[opaque sun]

slab and for trophy

[sick sentinel]

Wiki doesnt exist, only discord

[dapper prism]

W3 completion token then xD From ice cream quest

[opaque sun]

its just a requirement check of your construction level

[fallen torrent]

so chowing Rift 40 will make chow +40??

[opaque sun]

Chow is per map

So only +1

[fallen torrent]

okay so +1 i wasnt sure what you meant

[haughty cove]

ty

[fathom grove]

It’s ok. I’d rather be mid game again instead of pushing for 100k golden kebabs

This is so painful

[opaque sun]

Its just that doing rift chow earlier requiress less hours

[crisp silo]

100k gold kebabs is hell

[opaque sun]

Maybe w7 will be gold city where you can make gold food craft of all foods

[dapper prism]

xDR and how long have you been on it?

[crisp silo]

Any lategamers have greenstacked reg kebabs

[dapper prism]

I'm on 2m kebab and been around for 4 months now 🤷

might just have to grind out more w2 crystals

[fathom grove]

I’ve done 400 w2 colo runs the past week.

The candy is nice as well. But the 7% total damage gain from another 20k kebabs is even nicer

[crisp silo]

Why does blud want 100k kebabs?

[sick sentinel]

Because they can lol

[crisp silo]

True

[sick sentinel]

Not much else goin on for some people

[crisp silo]

Eh no new recent updates so back to random farming

[opaque sun]

If im treated 100k sticks of kebabs irl, id be happy

[crisp silo]

How eat 100k kebabs, it prob go bad

But it be pretty cool

[foggy briar]

Is Colo a good way to get BB kills?

[sick sentinel]

Wha? For ljke zow kills?

[foggy briar]

Zow

[sick sentinel]

Then no

Just do it at the map thr mob is at

Save your colo runs for chars that are good for colo

[opaque sun]

chow is per map anyway

[heavy moth]

is it possible my bubo gets close to my ES in W5 key and more than my DK

feels like im doing something wrong

[dapper prism]

ES isnt as strong for keys (as dk) especially early on since wurms have so much more hp than all other rares your farmed, DK orb will stack way easier for it

[vagrant jetty]

does mega crit proc twice if your crit is over 200%?

[heavy moth]

define early on my ES as 4T dmg my DK half a trillion

[vagrant jetty]

🙏

[heavy moth]

and bubo at 1.2 trillion

[opaque sun]

maybe around few Qs, ES will become better than DK on keys

[crisp silo]

Is wurm good map for dk?

[opaque sun]

But as of now, the wurm map placement is so good for orbs, its hard to surpass with an ES

[crisp silo]

Ic

[opaque sun]

You can get like 800-900 orb kills

[crisp silo]

Oooooh

[opaque sun]

So roughly DK is getting 4.5x drop rolls for each wurms killed

[lavish quiver]

Finally, this has been the bane of my existence for so long

Now to get a decent super crit

[amber dagger]

Does the conveyor belt deposit any ore or just the one you have in the forge

[opaque sun]

if forge slot is empty, auto arm does nothing to that slot. If it has an ore smelting, it will fill with the same ore when that ore runs out in the forge

[amber dagger]

Okay word

[dapper prism]

Also keep in mind it does not calculate multiple refills when offline, it's once whenc oming online.

So let's say it takes 5 minutes to use up all your ores into bars (due to SB combat talent). It produces the same amount of bars on login if you were offline for 5 minutes, 50mins, or 5 days.

[opaque sun]

1 forge filling worth of bars per afk claim

[sand lantern]

shld i use armor stone sk with a chance of failing or stick with the armor upgrade v with no chance of failing

[fiery plume]

Any general tips to work towards to be able to start super chowing?

[sick sentinel]

a lot of this is relevant to superchowing

focus multikill per tier sources and getting higher dmg through stuff like cooking, lab green stacks, stamps, alchemy

all the usual suspects

[opaque sun]

if you are not getting at least 3-5m/hr on gmush, usually means too early to do super chows

[cosmic tendon]

Can you reroll mining obols to +1 mining power or just main stats

[sick sentinel]

i guess at hex and sparkle u can? idk i never rly fucked with higher tier skilling obols

oops cropped out that part

[opaque sun]

one step at a time to 1b balljoe

[cosmic tendon]

Appreciate it. I was refilling the base like pops lol

[midnight raptor]

I stopped playing for months and coming back to the game I feel so lost lol

[cosmic tendon]

And fwiw I tried looking at the obols wiki pg to fio

[midnight raptor]

I plopped everyone on labs and later on Divinity for W5 release and basically haven't touched it since, Ahhhhh~ lol

[serene solstice]

I hate gaming

nice one turned t5 and got 2 new chemicals...

this is a not ending hell

[high owl]

help. what should I spend my money on. I can't afford new kitchen. I've maxed alch pay 2 win

[serene solstice]

stamps

[high owl]

stamps are staight up bunko town though

[serene solstice]

you literally farming money mostly for stamps and maybe gods

there is nothing else to spend money at

[high owl]

wack.

alright

[serene solstice]

ffs

I tought I am close to end of this

............

[pliant depot]

😭

[serene solstice]

I did my nighmare with vman yesterday.. with 16b max dmg it took me 40 minutes.. it was pain

[pliant depot]

16b, that's amazing lol

[serene solstice]

on a vman ... its garbage

I get to 200b or so on my ES

[pliant depot]

im on my dk, my main 😦 lol

[serene solstice]

my old main is sadly one of the most garbage classes (bloodberserker) thats why I have no main character anymore

[opaque sun]

“main” is just an excuse to say “i neglected to raise my other characters”

[serene solstice]

I am raising all chars

but

I was focusing on my bb back then but since DK and ES came out I can't play him anymore

[versed cypress]

this becomes all too true when you see acounts with one char level 400+ and the other 9 are barely 100

[echo crag]

bb is fine as long as you use it afk

[pliant depot]

"i've invested into this one the most" lol. I am not good though, played for about a year mostly afk.

[serene solstice]

I want to use bb active but thats the point he is only ''good'' when you afk with him

[opaque sun]

after a certain point, you realize its a family effort than a specific character

[pliant depot]

I got doot and put all my characters in w5, all over 200 now which is sweet, for me at least haha

[versed cypress]

bb best shines for getting zow chow and super chow all which are afk depending situations, thats where he shines, as for wanting to level him actively maps like citrines are perfect for him

[pliant depot]

wasn't looking, I'll do this later... lol

[pliant depot]

What level is your vman?

[versed cypress]

only 40 mins??? that wasnt bad

[serene solstice]

370

my lowest character is lvl 364 xD

nvm 362

[pliant depot]

Dang, I must be missing a lot of stuff, my DK is 354

[serene solstice]

my second dk rn

doing his nightmare kattle now

[pliant depot]

wah wah

[serene solstice]

I am still hoping for a necklace drop...

and wings too

[pliant depot]

yeah those look awesome

[serene solstice]

I need them for quest/ scarf

[pliant depot]

I just got my 2nd lucky lad today

[serene solstice]

nice

then you can craft a scarf now xD

like you have the 2 lucky lads for the scarf craft xD

[pliant depot]

I just need to concentrate on beating the boss for 3 hours, lol

[serene solstice]

xxD

damn got nothing on my second dk

pog

[pliant depot]

mine is mining but I recently read that I don't want to level it past my vman so ugh. I played the game wrong lol.

[serene solstice]

its not a big deal

[pliant depot]

I was wearing platinum about 3 days ago lol

[serene solstice]

when you progress enough you will pass it with your vman I had the same problem at some point

but now my vman is lvl 100 mining xD

[pliant depot]

that's awesome

My vman is fishing, trying to level past my berserker lol

I felt pretty locked until I got doot, now I'm trying to learn how to play lol

[serene solstice]

my vman atm

[pliant depot]

that's sweet

I pretty much skipped w4, need to go back and do cooking/lab

[serene solstice]

I am literally close to lvl 102 sailing and still not getting artifact of last map...

[modern plaza]

alright, what's everyone's prediction for update this weekend?

[serene solstice]

there will be an update?

[glacial venture]

deleting of all doots

[pliant depot]

doot 2.0: enhanced edition

[modern plaza]

yeah i think about every 2 weeks we can expect an update

maybe some QOL

[frigid sundial]

How do I level trapping effectively?

[wanton stag]

how do you unlock the 3rd talent preset

[modern plaza]

1, get trapper drone, 2, set all traps with vman

[twilit goblet]

in the future update

[glacial venture]

thats the neat part, you dont@wanton stag

[serene solstice]

have blobfish unlocked and use a trap what gives massive xp but no critters

and set them up with vman

because vman is a xp machine

[frigid sundial]

I'm going to have to try that

[placid mural]

I'm hoping the fishing expeditions are this weekend, I am tired of having to spend like 4 days per fishing lvl on my vman

[glacial venture]

i just want to hold button to use balloons...

or candy^^

[opaque sun]

island expedition is just going to be reskinned companion where you gacha for a random island to discover which gives passive effect as long you have the log pose for that island (trade able later)

[topaz loom]

Helloo, would like to know, better focus on lustre armor or chizoar armor ?

[opaque sun]

Lustre armor leads to a dead end

Better make that void to chiz

[twilit goblet]

activates all sailing bonuses (even if they had not been obtained yet)

[topaz loom]

thank's 😄

[craggy juniper]

how do you turn off the vman bonus that spawns a plunderous mob on 100 flag count and takes it back down to 75 when trying to do the achievement to get 150 flag count on SB?

[ocean lily]

meta builds aint workin for me on Molten Bay pet spice battle. any tips or do i just need higher values?

[glacial venture]

change preset...or reset vman

spice battles comes down to rng at start....when you survive 2-3 attacks it gets easier

[ocean lily]

heard chef

if rattler dies at this stage should i still just reset?

[tough tusk]

i ma half way done with my hampters hunting i am feeling so great

[ocean lily]

oh shit there's a chance

[opaque sun]

Without rattler, refillers lose its effectivity, which makes everything else useless too

[zealous niche]

Why is your rattler first?

You can lose a refiller, put rattler last

Rattler last, everything else one step forward

[ocean lily]

at this point there are guides that say every which way. this one actually just won for me

ive tried rattler last a dozen times and shockingly that roll up there just completed

[zealous niche]

No margin for error but it works

[ocean lily]

lol that sounds like it doesnt work for me haha

[zealous niche]

I found mostly I had to adjust my shield position, nothing else mattered

[tough tusk]

its ok that way since the shield dude is more accurate when it isnt first

[opaque sun]

rattler front allows faster proc of refill when using mono so it has a point

But if rattler dies, its a reset

[azure spindle]

if you have rattler first and live to first freeze then it's pretty much guaranteed at that point as well

just gotta time block right

[serene forum]

Rattler mono refill refill shield burger is safest play for any setup

Just have to manually proc shield first few hits

[ocean lily]

yeah im trash and shield timing with my pc and mobile so trying to find a workaround lol

at*

[granite grove]

just bruteforce it, eventually good timing and good luck will align each other

[ocean lily]

and that, kids, is how my rattler got in front

[granite grove]

front rattler too risky, leaves no room for error

backrow rattler at least you can fight to the end and hope to get last stand wins

[serene forum]

Rattler at front is almost guaranteed kill. Mobs one shot at a certian point. Only thing that would matter is constant shield uptake or constant mono

Mono is time wasting but for last battle crucial to not get oneshot

Burger will likely die but at that point constant mono upkeep and constant shield upkeep from refill means just sit back and relax.

[ocean lily]

fingers crossed

[fiery burrow]

Okay, all, I've got a head scratcher. My DK's lab efficiency goes -down- when I improve my stats and if I take off all my gear it actually goes up. I started looking into this because my DK and SB have basically the exact same loadout but my SB has 5k more lab efficiency than my DK. Does anyone know what the formula is for calculating lab efficiency? I've been messing with this for like 45 minutes and nothing makes sense.

[molten scarab]

someone who can kill nightmare kattlekrunk wanna share their Char page!?

on VMAN

[placid mural]

im taking the plunge for the 10 nightmare kills folks, Vman at around 60b. . . .

BB was more annoying than i was expecting. . . .

[azure spindle]

Don't know the exact calculation but I think there's some janky lavacode thresholds that essentially when you have enough efficiency/stat the calculation changes but makes you lose out if you're on the low side in that new calc

[modern plaza]

did u check prayers? lab chips? PO boxes?

[fiery burrow]

I've checked -literally- everything, even so far as posting IE in w3/w4 chat for other people to make sure I'm not crazy.

Literally taking my gear off gets me 200 efficiency, that seems like something is broken

[versed cypress]

only thing i could think off is the scaled efficiency i fyour DK is much more higher level than your SB

[fiery burrow]

They're both level 42 in lab, but my DK does have a higher class level than SB

[azure spindle]

what's your wisdom with and without gear?

[modern plaza]

OHHHH you know what

its that SB skill

[fiery burrow]

No gear on DK, 623. It's pushed me into the 10.3k and gotten me the exp multi. Gear on Wis is 676, lab eff is 10.1k

[modern plaza]

town skill boost

[fiery burrow]

Nope. I reset talents.

AND that doesn't explain why less stats are equating more efficiency on my DK

[cosmic tendon]

Do u have 2 dk

[modern plaza]

all my sb have more eff too, some reason warriors don't benefit as much from wisdom... idk why that is... i have to run lab rings on all my warriors and none my archers

[molten scarab]

BB sucked. VMan at 20B atm , not even close 😦

[azure spindle]

yeah I vaguely recall a discussion about this maybe a month ago and I'm pretty sure there are different calculation levels based on the stats, but they're a little janky so getting into the next threshold for calculations actually loses efficiency when you're just at the point of reaching it.

[fiery burrow]

I mean, I don't even care about the disparity between the two characters at this point, I just want to figure out why stripping off literally all my gear except rex rings is increasing my efficiency.

[cosmic tendon]

2 dk?

[fiery burrow]

Yes, I have 2 dk

[cosmic tendon]

Does it happen on both?

[idle fiber]

anyone mind explaining the shovel to me? im not sure what the point of the gold nugget is

[placid mural]

biggest boost in gaming

[cosmic tendon]

U can strip hear while looking at the skill info

Gear

[fiery burrow]

Yeah, it just shows the efficiency changing, it doesn't indicate why

[cosmic tendon]

Which piece of gear tho

For me nothing impacts including gear that gives wis

[opaque sun]

Every hour you get to try (dig) for a gold. Gold gives permanent bit multiplier and you get to keep 1 gold with the highest value you ever dug

[cosmic tendon]

Rex ring decreases

[fiery burrow]

Literally everything except two rex rings, my worship skull, and my trapping box.

It's only a difference of ~200 efficiency, so fi you're significantly higher you won't see it

[cosmic tendon]

Every single piece removed increases it?

[fiery burrow]

Yes

[idle fiber]

so the 16.4 multi i have means i get 16.4x more bits?

[cosmic tendon]

With it removed are they way above sb?

[fiery burrow]

No, still significantly below

removing gear takes me from 10.1k to 10.3k

[opaque sun]

Yes

[fiery burrow]

SB is at 15.1k

[idle fiber]

ok thats op

[fiery burrow]

And for whoever was asking, yes, removing gear on my second DK ALSO improves their efficiency.

[cosmic tendon]

Yeah that was me too

I can’t imagine what it is then. Doesn’t apply to me

[opaque sun]

The upgrade of shovel that says “big nugget luck %” is bas wording, which it actually just means “minimum possible nugget value”

[fiery burrow]

Taking gear off of my SB imrpoves too.

[cosmic tendon]

No pieces of gear including wis stat affects it at all. Serrated ring increases it

[fiery burrow]

So, are you supposed to just jump into the matrix naked with lab rings on??

[placid mural]

can you timeout the nightmare kattle?

[idle fiber]

so is it even worth upgrading shovel?

[placid mural]

very much so

currently i dont get any nuggest under like 800

but my top end is 460k

[opaque sun]

when you dig, you randomly dig a 1x-1050x to your minimum value

So if you roll a high multiplier, its good to have a good minimum value

[idle fiber]

so the 16.4x i have is that every time i get bits its 16x higher or is it a range of 1x-16x

[opaque sun]

Issue with shovel that the random roll is heavily weighted on the 1x side

[cosmic tendon]

Nothing but a ring and scrubs. I think urs is weird tho

[opaque sun]

The gold of 16.4x doesnt matter on your next roll

[cosmic tendon]

There are tons of massive Multis in gaming

[opaque sun]

The shovel roll multiplier and the final gold bit multiplier are different things

[cosmic tendon]

You upgrade pretty much everything in gaming because of the exponential cost increases

And shovel upgrade is a good one

Keep smashing shovel as frequently as u can (1hr min or check ie gaming section)

[opaque sun]

With your current shovel (1.2%) you have a chance (like one in a trillion) to roll up to like a 1300 gold

If you upgrade your shovel to say 2.4%, you will have a chance to roll up to 2600 gold

The gold up top is just your highest gold ever dug out

[fiery burrow]

lmao...taking off gear while in cooking also increases my efficiency there.

[cosmic tendon]

Check one of the main skills

U don’t need to be doing it

[fiery burrow]

No, those seem fine. taking off my helmet actually reduces mining eff

[opaque sun]

maybe nobi blessing of “scaled efficiency” at work

[cosmic tendon]

Found one

Wis gear off my es increases cooking

[ocean lily]

there are so many interrelated systems all throughout this game that especially by the time youre getting deeper into W4 and W5, just about every stat is connected to multiple others

beyond that, there's some less-explained differences in gains as varied as "did you log into your dk first?" and other interesting twists

[idle fiber]

ayyyy finally got anvil tab 4

[cosmic tendon]

If I take off 2 different pieces of gear it increases cooking eff. No impact on lab tho

[fiery burrow]

But flat out lowering stats causing an increase in efficiency just makes zero sense. that takes "creative coding" to a whole new level.

[cosmic tendon]

Feel like there’s some chance that’s there’s an intended explanation but it seems more like some wires are getting crossed

[placid mural]

anyone know the damage scaling on Vman's coin toss with how much money you have?

[azure spindle]

I mean it's lavacode mana what do you want

[cosmic tendon]

Something something scratch

[dapper prism]

Yeh we've had this talk a bit ago about coooking. Where stripping BB of gear (except rings/shoes) would soemtimes lead to more laddles/h, not always, seemed to be at random breakpoints

Either way the math behind some stuff seems to be a bit weird

[fiery burrow]

I mean, I've now replicated it across multiple characters, multiple skills, even specialized skills.

[ocean lily]

there are entire talents on multiple classes based around a direct tradeoff between some stats and others - it's not far fetched at all especially as the game continues being designed and developed

systems design is really insane when you get dozens of interrelated tuning challenges and numbers in the trillions for some that have to scale to single digits for others

[cosmic tendon]

Not that it really matters but I wonder if it applies to any other stat/account boosts decreasing eff. This convo started with reyom saying that it applies to his dk in lab

[fiery burrow]

Seems like before I go AFK anywhere nowI'm gonna test stripping my characters first, lmao.

[ocean lily]

i think thats probably not worth it lol

[fiery burrow]

Because for lab, it gave me an entirely new exp threshold, which effectively doubles the efficacy of that character.

See above about doubled efficacy.

[cosmic tendon]

The effect was so minimal to me that I only see the application being worth checking in what trickz said, more ladles

[ocean lily]

or you could just check back in 2-3 days and youll be there

[fiery burrow]

Definitely worth it if it's hitting a breakpoint of some kind

[dapper prism]

I dont fullt know but i remember it happened pretty sure before scaled effy god. When i was redoing my gear and had none on BB and realized it was higher laddle/h, got the gear then it got less. (we were in voice chat at the time and had others test it too. in some cases it went up, others down) it was weird overall

[cosmic tendon]

Oh exp in lab is nice

[ocean lily]

and not have to change your entire playstyle

but hey play how you want. some folks love this game for that reason and its a great one for that same reason

[dapper prism]

Yup, more laddles seemed to only relevant time, especially early on when its like 10 a day or 11 a day which makes an actual difference xD

[cosmic tendon]

It’s the equivalent of checking some other part of ur setup when ur leaving a char on something

[fiery burrow]

How does "Remove a handful of pieces of gear to check values" translate into "change your entire playstyle"?

It's literally no different than verifying you're on the right card set, talents, or star signs

[dapper prism]

Pretty annoying to removing gear (sometimes half gear) between anything you do

[ocean lily]

"before I go AFK anywhere nowI'm gonna test stripping my characters first" seems a bit eccentric for virtually no gain in almost all situations

but again, go for it man!

hope it serves you

[dapper prism]

It's like when You min/max login with chips and move them around 1 by 1 to different characters

[cosmic tendon]

I think for cooking and lab if ur setting a char up to sit there for days+ it’s perfectly reasonable, but obviously not necessary

[ocean lily]

except a single chip that is +15% gain is pretty clear on why you'd use it lmao

[dapper prism]

Random note, speaking of chips!
Remember to buy omega!
https://i.imgur.com/zESt6B9.png

[ocean lily]

and when

[azure spindle]

if you're close to a multi level I can see the argument for checking it at least

[bleak gazelle]

if only

[dapper prism]

5 days go grind it out! 😄

[ocean lily]

stripping all gear for every afk activity on every character? i am sure it works for some folks - not for me tho lol

[dapper prism]

Thats very little kraken for w5 btw

[bleak gazelle]

I haven't been printing them, my highest is onlyt 237

too much other stuff to catch up on, so i'm just waiting for all the stuff to roll back around in nov-jan

[cosmic tendon]

It’s coming back in 2 weeks I think

[dapper prism]

If you doint have a card doubler, having at least one of each is a pretty big game changer

[cosmic tendon]

I resampled, double printing and switched to hare

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, i wouldn't have been able to get either of them. don't even have cotton candy or w/e the last salt is unlocked

[dapper prism]

Else back in store July 26th for a week if you need to prep for it!

[cosmic tendon]

Yeah cotton candy is probably a higher tier of fire requirement

[placid mural]

anyone know if nightmare kattle can time out?

[cosmic tendon]

Teleport u out?

[placid mural]

like with TD after 9999 seconds on a wave it just ends

[cosmic tendon]

Not that u think it happened, just wondering if it can happen

[placid mural]

thats what i am trying to figure out

[balmy vine]

does anyone know how to fix white screen on steam?

[cosmic tendon]

I can’t say for sure that I’ve heard anyone say it took over 3 hrs

Not sure what white screen but sounds like may have to exit?

[balmy vine]

ive tried to exit and go back in ive unistalled multiple times and steam wont let me play every pixel of the game is white idk what to do

[hidden quail]

Ive hard it white out all i do is close and re open

[dapper prism]

a white screen happens sometimes, but it would go away once you restart the game client

[hidden quail]

Seems like just a crash, i think its caused by desync

[placid mural]

wish me luck, starting Vman nightmare kattle

[balmy vine]

okay will try that ty

[dapper prism]

what dmg? 😄

[placid mural]

65b

[dapper prism]

oh wow, think you've easily got it

[placid mural]

its just going to take a while

[placid mural]

WOOHOO!

did it

[raven fog]

wait guys isnt faster cooldown from po bad for the orb

or dose it only casy whem its over

[placid mural]

no, means you need less points in the skill before it is "capped" effectively

[sly plank]

I think it’s time to show my other characters some love

[placid mural]

with mana PO box maxed, you need 267 in orb for "perfect" duration

[sly plank]

dementia + glacial weapon probably good enough for everyone right?

[raven fog]

no not true i can hit 300 now i am at 267 and i have hit the max so i am missing on so many seconds

[raven fog]

those kind of acc shock me

[raven fog]

am at that

but if i have slug

[placid mural]

ok well i am getting about 850 orb kills per cast at worms at 267, so works well for me

[raven fog]

i will have more seconds in the orb

so more numbers

[raven fog]

worms is better

what\

i get 700

at orange

[placid mural]

k

[raven fog]

but i will rest po when i get higher max book for now its perfect

is it better what k ur mad at me

[placid mural]

? i just said k dude i wasnt like trying to pick a fight lol

[raven fog]

ik am playing

or am i

it sounded mean

its cool that how my gf left me

jk

[opaque sun]

After around 310+, orb duration starts to be a net gain than the loss from overlapping orbs

[north juniper]

Sure cranium cooking care what monster it is?

[opaque sun]

the map layout, yes

[north juniper]

I meant like rewarding for stronger monsters

[opaque sun]

killing 100 gmush is same as 100 wurms

[north juniper]

Death to the cans it is

Thanks!

[vapid wraith]

floms best if you can (ha) handle the damage

[north juniper]

I'll have to give that a shot on the next run. Bubo can one shot floms for sure. I was going for larger mobs.

I'm trying to finish getting the last 4 bubbles for orange/green/purple cauldron. What's a general new bubble percentage (with bubo) that I can aim for?

[dapper prism]

With Mana PO box 282ish seems to be the perfect cycle on orb talent

[north juniper]

It's 6.x for each right now and for the last yellow one it's 2.7

Huzzah almost there!

[opaque sun]

282 sounds like that is the peak of where the overlap hurts the most

[pine pond]

we made it bois

[undone steeple]

woooo from no steak to ancient in 2 days

[pine pond]

ggg

[undone steeple]

finally broke the B dmg

[sly plank]

I just switched from crescent moon pendant to chizoar green scarf with w5 stones and it seems my exp in afk gains is lower, as expected. but it seems concensus is that chizoar scarf is much better, at what point is it better?

[opaque sun]

for afk the respawn stat affects more for gain

So you probably do better with deathly cluster, and even more better with divine scarf

[sly plank]

so green scarf isn't worth it over the moon pendant?

[opaque sun]

crescent is more for active farming

[undone steeple]

it is for other stuff

crescent is still btter for exp

[opaque sun]

for afk
orange scarf > deathly cluster > green scarf > crescent

Active is whatever

[undone steeple]

im still using it on my lvl 400 char and i have chiz

[radiant orbit]

boys, do i split my boats or focus one island 🤔 i needa these hella sailing gains

[undone steeple]

chiz has respawn stat as well

[sly plank]

oh interesting, okay thanks all

[opaque sun]

chiz respawn is weaker than deathly

[radiant orbit]

but 20% more dmg

which is why its good early game help u push further

[undone steeple]

ah i didnt think deathly cluster would be better than green for my gmush

it actually is

thanks for that

[opaque sun]

crescent and chiz are pretty much same tier to be honest

[undone steeple]

i was actually using the 30% mk pendant

it was better than chiz

[opaque sun]

If the damage of chiz helps you, chiz better. If further damage does nothing, crescent give tiny additive exp

30% mk pendant doesnt have much use tho

Like its a flat additive +30% bonus on say your 15000% mk

[bright current]

i did it boys! new captain get!

what a fuckin champ

[honest timber]

No need to mock him, at level 1000, he actually gives 1000% boat speed

[bright current]

shit u right

[foggy briar]

I would say he is pretty average

cute even

[opaque sun]

at least he is humble with the pay he asks

Unlike the green dude who went to discovery graduate school to learn 1%

[oak tartan]

I fired a 1% speed guy recently. Is it the same guy

[prime spade]

He's the idleon equivalent of "Sorry, you need some experience to work here."

[opaque sun]

just a matter of finding the first place that doesnt ask for experience

[vestal yew]

when should I prioritize farming cards? when I have almost nothing else to do?

[opaque sun]

When you in need of the stat of the specific card

Like dont mindlessly just farm cards from a to z

[foggy briar]

is there even any reason to get the useless ones?

[noble mesa]

For card set bonus

[prisma drift]

Anyone need a spare? Seems all I can pull is 30k

[dapper prism]

yes please

Ill trade you for some clovers? 😄
https://i.imgur.com/2ulXYgP.png

[prisma drift]

I just want one more little zero

Is 300k so much to ask for

[dapper prism]

Lol, same right, especially since my max would be 437k i wouldnt even demand that 400k+, just a 300k+ would be fine xD

[prisma drift]

Exactly I’m leaving room for my max

I level the shovel, get 220 nug, repeat

[modern plaza]

yeah i just want a 150k for now

additive nugget would be so nice 😊

[dapper prism]

Next legendary companion 😉

Additive until it reaches your cap.

[prisma drift]

Lava gonna troll so it goes up by 1 every time you dig

[modern plaza]

that’s not even legendary status 🙂

[dapper prism]

trying to hit this cactus but dont want to click the chem, even this spot isnt getting it 😦
https://i.imgur.com/XIz4hxB.png

[sharp wind]

Harvest all👍

[outer harbor]

Lets go

[dapper prism]

to many chems spawning up 😦
https://i.imgur.com/4IiFmi9.png

I accidentally clicked it btw xD

moved my mouse 2-3 pixels to the left and it hit the chem

[sharp wind]

Mine 18 chem no t6 showing

[outer harbor]

like my nugget

[dapper prism]

i need to start turning on kitty again

[dapper prism]

#NoPhotoshop
https://i.imgur.com/y2C48aA.png

I dont even look at my nuggets when i click shovel anymore

[dapper prism]

What's your shovel % btw?

[outer harbor]

its this but I got that nugget when it was around 90%

[vestal yew]

is there a way to calculate how many void bars you are making an hour in the forge?

trying to make 50/hour for nullo salts..

[dapper prism]

Just have SB do gmush (green mushroom) with the forging talent, and have void ore in all slots, then login sb every 2min+

and else check IE and math it out

[ebon dome]

got to world 5 recently and unlocked arctis, is it worth to have all my chars on divinity and keep 1 pushing w5 ?

[dapper prism]

Pushing can be "okay" but nobi will help a lot more when pushing. You can do other active stuff that may be more helpful instead of pushing until you get nobi

[waxen geode]

what about snek

[dapper prism]

Snek just for afk, active gives way more kph (for main pushers at least)

[ebon dome]

hmm thats a good point... I should probably level my other chars up that didn't push w4. all chars ~80-90 and my DK is 150 lol...

[dapper prism]

W5 XP will be insane, especially once you're a few zones in.
Having good crystal cards and active exp will help a ton for that. So one option could be ES Active to grind out cards, or work on obols and stuff like that

[ebon dome]

I basically haven't touched obols. I have filled out my family / one or two chars but just with random obols I have got from progessing. I've heard pop obols are the best but I dont think i have the DR to efficiently farm them

[tranquil surge]

hey fellas im up to the anvil automated arm upgrade but my question is why isnt it automatically unloading my characters?

is that not what it does?

seems to be bugged

oh...

weow

ok

[dapper prism]

So you could go through the whole annoying chain of:
Card chance cards, Drop rate cards, (crystal rate cards), pop obols.

[vagrant mountain]

or just go the p2w route and buy drop rate chips

[waxen geode]

why does kitchen berserker suck at active afk

[vagrant mountain]

cuz you dont get exp active in the kitchen duh

[waxen geode]

poverty route

[dapper prism]

Speaking of auto arm, reminder that the 1st one, forge. is still capped by your ore capacity.
Let's say you have 10k ore capacity and a bar is 100 ore per bar. that's 100 bars.
Even if you are offline 1h, 10h or 1 year, it will only do 100 bars upon login. Good ones are Archers (SB gmush farmer) with the kill for bar progress and you can essnetially login every 2mins+ for max bars.

[gentle furnace]

Cuz no respawn mechanics

[dapper prism]

No respawn is a big issue

[waxen geode]

somehow my bb keeps overpowering my dk

should i accept that fate or grind dk

[dapper prism]

Dont touch bb

[opaque sun]

having doubled divine scarf with respawn chips helps a lot, but still there is no reason to active on bb

[gentle furnace]

Only afk bb for super chows

[opaque sun]

DK being weaker than BB mean there is a serious problem with how you doing refinery and/or DK

[waxen geode]

i can't active afk for dk because shit phone + youtube addict

[dapper prism]

Accuracy too

since most dmg comes from having +50% over accuracy requirement (on dk)

[waxen geode]

upgrading shaquaracy when i get enough bloaches from prints

[opaque sun]

his refinery damage talent became one of the better talents lately with all those refinery speed sources

[waxen geode]

so i should increase refinery rank?

[opaque sun]

Not only does it scale infinitely, the scaling gets faster and faster

like you should at least always raise the red salt

[waxen geode]

ok

[opaque sun]

not raising salt rank is one sign of something doing wrong

[waxen geode]

i do everything wrong

😎

[crisp silo]

Wait what u mean scaling gets faster?

[opaque sun]

salt rank up requirement caps

[waxen geode]

ill switch to dk then

[opaque sun]

But you get more salt production as you rank, so end game people are like raising red salt once per day

Eventually it will be like multiple times per day

[waxen geode]

until new bb buff

[granite grove]

rift construction mastery can increase refinery speed

[dapper prism]

By a lot

[granite grove]

which scales with construction level and those are easy to level, building lvl wise

[tranquil surge]

can you do picnic stowaway quest on every char ones

once

or only 1 char per day

[opaque sun]

aside from being limited to buy chisel 6 a day, you can technically do 10 char a day

[tranquil surge]

oh sweet

ok didnt even realise

[dapper prism]

oh wow chisel is needed for the quest?

[tranquil surge]

i genuinely thought it was 1 char per day

so thats huge

[granite grove]

just stockpile 300 and should be enough

[dapper prism]

idk now im just happy i buy all the junk in the shops
https://i.imgur.com/lHOYaBN.png

[tranquil surge]

good shit lad

[granite grove]

inb4 w4 trophy requires 10 gold chisel a day

[tranquil surge]

thats 100% why your 10x futher ahead you play efficiently as hell lol

[dapper prism]

Lol, gotta xD

[granite grove]

imo this is less about efficiency but hoarding tendencies if for gold (can pay off someday)

or accidental planned calculation if for regular chisels

like how lava makes gold twine a crafting component

[tranquil surge]

i havent even run into that yet

is that a fishing twine?

[dapper prism]

yeh

[tranquil surge]

damn ok ima start buying that too then

[dapper prism]

for troll head or feet, forgot which

[granite grove]

yes, use 1 and hoard them for troll shoes, or one of troll set piece idk

[dapper prism]

only source is floms

[granite grove]

also consuming one consumes entire stack, right?

[tranquil surge]

so the key is to not accidently

[dapper prism]

but because of that type of BS, you end up hoarding the rest "just incase"
https://i.imgur.com/SzMkeZp.png

[tranquil surge]

yeah that

[granite grove]

if so gotta be careful handling that item

i hope plat twine isnt used in w6 base gear

[opaque sun]

might as well start working on 10m wieners

[pliant warren]

I won't need to replace this easily right?

[wraith granite]

what's the max talent level you can have? I'm at 240 and im not sure how to get higher. Is there a list or someting i can check?

[dapper prism]

245

Got the 1k book checkout achievement one?

that gives +5, so it should be the missing one

[wraith granite]

ohh im at 807/1000

thanks a lot

i assumed 250 would be max at least because of voidwalker's skill

[dapper prism]

just try and keep your book count low, do single checkouts for anything and everything.

[deft grail]

20x checkouts only count as 1 for the cheevo btw

[wraith granite]

yea i kinda didnt use the checkout at all for like half a year

not idea why i just forgot about it

[opaque sun]

250 vman enhancement effect is known from code digging, but not achievable yet

[wraith granite]

ohh

[tacit tulip]

The skill is basically just future proofed for the next time we get a max books increase

[wraith granite]

thats cool

thanks everyone

[real pond]

I can’t join a guild and when I add friends it says they are offline. Will this be fixed? I spent money on the game and was hoping to join a guild with friends. Thanks

[dapper prism]

It should work, may just be a weird desync, have you both tried restarting the game then meeting up again in the same world/server

[real pond]

Yeah I don’t think anyone can see me to be honest. I’ve tried to join guilds the last week

[dapper prism]

Did you cheat and get a shadow ban?

Else no clue

[real pond]

Someone said I got shadow banned somehow but I don’t know how I never cheated

Is there a contact info for the game so I can at least get my money back

[opaque sun]

good luck lava responding you

[sterile tiger]

anyone able to come help me with snake jar quest>

pizza 2

[prisma drift]

If on iOS people can’t see you

iOS is shadow banned all together

[real pond]

What a crappy game to have that many people shadow banned. I’m glad I wasted my time and money

[dapper prism]

that many?

[real pond]

All people who have iOS

[dapper prism]

That's not what they meant nor how it works.

[prisma drift]

I meant you can’t join parties to do dungeons or world bosses with others

So it’s similar to a shadow ban atm lol

But it’s just a bug that’s taking forever to get fixed

[dapper prism]

oh it is a bug?

[real pond]

So has there been any word of a fix?

[prisma drift]

I would hope lava didn’t actually shadow ban iOS

[left harness]

Hey, my game keeps freezing when i leave it over night to farm lost batteries. never had this problem before. Anyone know whats wrong?

[tacit tulip]

Difficult to say, in the past some skills would regularly cause freezes (bubo skull) but I don't think there's any known bad ones atm

Assuming you're farming with ES there shouldn't be anything in particular causing it

[left harness]

mmmh, have happend two nights in a row now, will do some testing i guess

[tacit tulip]

My game -is- more crash prone when I turn my monitors off at night

[left harness]

i do that aswell, might be something to try next night

[dapper prism]

i used to hae a bunch of freezes

but barely have had any in the past month (with monitor off)

[tacit tulip]

Think today's the day I try vman on nm kattle

[dapper prism]

any time i read nm i see "normal mode" xD

[tacit tulip]

Nah normal is waay too hard for me

I'm doing 'not mean' kattle as it's baby mode

[primal bison]

What’s shadow ban?

[runic girder]

Invisible in the game

[frigid acorn]

comment for today

[runic girder]

Usually updates come in the weekend

[primal bison]

I am too shadow banned because I am best player in the game

[dapper prism]

Typically a not announced/displayed ban that will also separate you from normal players. GTA did that where they just moved all cheaters to an own server or something like that. There's different scenarios, either you won't see people, be able to interact, or youll be limited to some content etc.

[sterile tiger]

could i get a hand doing king doot need it for loominadis questline
pizza world 2

[ancient mirage]

alright alright alright, now i save my divinity points

its going to take 6 days before i get enough but at least i wont be playing the RNG game

[dapper prism]

All on focus stance?

[tight saddle]

https://i.imgur.com/6J3PjJ5.png

I mean I guess the game is easy

[dapper prism]

Just remember you still need tiger on someone for its minor. Best have it on highest div level char, ES2 may be highest

[tight saddle]

The one with 1 link max?

[tacit tulip]

Mmmhm 14 drop rate dk on wurms. I'm in love

[dapper prism]

Idk whats better, 10.5x with crystal rate maxed or 12.8x without crystal rate
Less keys but more statues (also xp/money while im here)

Also crystal gives more orb stacks which helps the dr

[tacit tulip]

I'm running crystals but no idea what's better

[frigid acorn]

im double only genie

still have chance 1 in 34

[median oxide]

how are the 20% respawn keychains?

[crisp silo]

Bis for non respawn killers but more or less for quality of life

[twilit goblet]

What does hyperswift do? improving basic attack speed

[frigid acorn]

attack speed do have cap i guess

[twilit goblet]

does it affect afk?

[frigid acorn]

no , not for me

[tacit tulip]

I'm using them on my BB for mega chow and deathnote purposes and it's silly how much gains you get

[median oxide]

guess i will pick them up then

thats pretty much what i was looking at them for

[weary oracle]

Any tips on killing nightmare kattle with BB, that guy fucking sucks

[pulsar cliff]

You'll want to get used to it, you have to kill him the same way with VMan just with way less skills.

[prisma lance]

How to snapshot drop rate?

[pulsar cliff]

You'll want to DPS after you use your big AOE skill, until mobs get close. But then you'r ejust playing keep away. Alternating sides. You honestly ignore kattlekruk until you can AOE again

[lyric sequoia]

Also bis for afk killing if you’re already stacking into the like 180%+ range for afk gains

[frigid acorn]

only card droprate was snapshot able not DR

[lyric sequoia]

Focus moles until his explode skill is up, wait till moles are close to the boss before using explode and make sure you’re stood in the middle of the boss when you explode for maximum mole kills, dps boss while the lines are empty till they get close again. Rinse and repeat until it is dead

[pulsar cliff]

And get ready to do it again onVMan lol

[tight saddle]

Does Fibers of Absence affect speedrun portals?

[lyric sequoia]

What does it do

[lyric sequoia]

Yes, makes them worse

Probably

[pulsar cliff]

The only way it's helpful is if you're not getting multikill.

[lyric sequoia]

Can always try with and without, only a 1 day copldown

[pulsar cliff]

If you're not getting multikill, my condolences you're not gonna open that portal lol

[tight saddle]

I've got 2 tries

[lyric sequoia]

Even better

It’s almost certainly gonna make it worse though since you want as much multikill as you can get

[tacit tulip]

Only case it would be better is if you don't drop a damage tier.

If you can have -66% damage and not lose any tiers go for it 😄

[untold saffron]

is there a list anywhere of like optimal bubble levels, or necessary levels? like the multi-log/bug/ore/fish bubbles cap at about 180 for usefulness

[tacit tulip]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HgEWk3_7nT6tVsMeSXEiHcKfOD9_5AWeqRD6_ZkqexU/edit

[sweet mirage]

Were anyone able to kill Nightmare Kattlecruk with Vman? How much dmg do you have? What was the tactic?

[tacit tulip]

Most bubbles have an effective cap, you can use that sheet to find them

[tacit tulip]

It's possible as early as 10b but most people suggest about 40-50

Goal is to run about punching moles until your aoe skill is up.
Punch kattle a bunch,
aoe when they get closer
punch him some more
Repeat

[untold saffron]

appreciate it king

[untold saffron]

i've heard 20bill is enough if you want it to be proper slow

[sweet mirage]

damn, that would take a while, currently at around 1B so it will take a little more

[tacit tulip]

If you want to so it brainlessly it's about 200b for an afk kill

[tight saddle]

How does one even trade pets?

[sweet mirage]

Not implemented yet

[tight saddle]

ahh

[tacit tulip]

Currently you don't

[tight saddle]

I've got a spare sheepie

Probably steam trading?

[sweet mirage]

How much time did you need to unlock evergreen in gaming? Right now, I question if it even exists. I usually try to discover it around 2%, tried more than a 100 times and nothing

While I get eldritch artifacts with 0,05% chance

[tacit tulip]

It's all luck, but DNA has diminishing returns. Doubling your DNA doesn't double your chances

As such you wanna spam it at low odds as often as you can

[sweet mirage]

thanks, will try it more often

[tacit tulip]

I did it so often I didn't even notice I'd unlocked it until I started seeing them lol

[tight saddle]

If my math is sound, rolling at 2% for 100 times totals to ~27% chance on average

[tacit tulip]

your math is not sound 😄

[tight saddle]

Oh no it isn't

It's like 86%?

[tacit tulip]

The odds of failing a 2% chance 100 times is 98%^100

0.98^100 = 13.3%

100-13.3 = 86.7%

[tight saddle]

For at least 1 success

27% for exactly 1

[midnight raptor]

Is there any way to filter the atomic collider to not eat certain things, i.e. my copper ore? Sorry if this is a noob question and I don't understand the device correctly, haven't turned it on yet because of fear of my mining effeciency taking a hit if it eats ores lol

[tacit tulip]

No it'll eat indiscriminately. Set your cap high (1050 is the usual advice)

[midnight raptor]

Understood

[tacit tulip]

You either want to take the initial hit to get some basic atoms, or have a high cap and print trash (oak, copper) to generate atoms en masse

[tight saddle]

Arguably gathering atoms is far more beneficial than holding on to some copper stack

[tacit tulip]

yeah I'd be more worried about losing materials I -can't- generate easily

[midnight raptor]

I'll just make sure I take a peak sample then and grind out some atoms for now

[tight saddle]

Ehh you can always farm your 100M Hampters back

[tacit tulip]

It's the way the cycle goes. Big sample = big atoms = more upgrades = bigger samples

[tight saddle]

https://i.imgur.com/kh9V5dv.png

Hampter showoff time

[sweet mirage]

I recently used them all and now, I'm farming for the Vman weapon

[midnight raptor]

Lol copper stacks be gone, but I see already from the first few atoms what ya'll meant

[tight saddle]

You chose wisely

[tacit tulip]

Is this like poker? I'll see your hampters and raise you royal ashes

[tight saddle]

D: Divide that by 10 for me

[sweet mirage]

nah, hampters are worth more

[tacit tulip]

one day. ONE DAY

[sweet mirage]

Man, this was a nightmare for me, but when I finally hit more than 9x drop rate, it was a matter of 5 days

[tight saddle]

Oh hell naw don't tell me you haven't gotten it with 4k royals

[tacit tulip]

I have 14 drop rate and have been grinding there for 6 weeks

[tight saddle]

I'm trying to farm for it as well

Let me show you how it's done, Ill go do one kill with my best boi vman

[tacit tulip]

statistical average is dropping 1 recipe every 1000 royals

[tropic kiln]

All my chars got the kruk weapons but my vman is out therr with knuckle sabers 😅

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/05f3b7009028569cd79e1f65c2255921.png

this seems rediculously difficult to level up further to any useable level outside of NBLB

thats with 90% off

[tacit tulip]

atoms baby

[untold saffron]

it ain't at an atomable level :'[

[sweet mirage]

I got my recipe with this

Remember, longer AFK time gives better chances

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/07bc81a1ba2e97151871531f95c75330.png

[pliant warren]

What should I do for obols for the Voidwalker speed run? Max out luck, go for damage, multikill, or something else?

[tacit tulip]

Simply: You got incredibly lucky to get it in 5 days

[untold saffron]

what about me

[sweet mirage]

Well, 5 days after raising drop rate to 9x, before that, I was doing it for like 2 months? With no luck

[tacit tulip]

Yeah, I mentioned this earlier, I have 14 DR and have been doing it for 6 weeks

[pliant warren]

How did you get to 14 DR?

[sweet mirage]

Have you checked the drop calculator? How much time you need for guaranteed drop?

with 14x i believe it would be around 300 hours

[tacit tulip]

guaranteed drop at 10Dr is about 800 days btw

[sweet mirage]

Really? With my calculations it was 666 hours with 9x DR

[tacit tulip]

yeah you definitely calculated something wrong then

at 10 Dr it's a 1/5 mil drop which means you need 10 million base kills, before any MK/KPK to get it guaranteed

[sweet mirage]

and how many base kills do you have per hour?

[tacit tulip]

That's very hard to calculate

[sweet mirage]

It should be around 14k I believe

[tacit tulip]

there was a guy here the other day who had 4 months AFK at 7 DR and didn't get it lol

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/59e3633c234fa2602a5271a9e0c09d3f.png
https://i.gyazo.com/974a1b92e5c030541a7e3b76f2e45a3f.png

Atom gains are wild after yesterday, resampled all mages and warriors to around this

[sweet mirage]

This is insane

[opaque sun]

I think it was something like 5k to 8k base kills per hour roughly

[tacit tulip]

calculator doesn't account for KPK right? So I need to figure that out

[pulsar heart]

r u supposed to collect with drone or eagle eye for max gains

[runic girder]

Same thing

[sweet mirage]

it's the same thing

[runic girder]

Drones takes eagle eye level

[opaque sun]

bm is quicker imo

[pulsar heart]

i've neglected trapping so much so idek

shit skill

[runic girder]

Not that bad

[opaque sun]

its actually one of the few idle skill now

[runic girder]

Like 95% passive

[pulsar heart]

its not bad i just dont like how slow the gains are

[pine folio]

the only skill i ignored out of pure 'i cba' is breeding, dunno why i just hate that skill

[runic girder]

Breeding is even more passive then trapping

Just get egg, hatch egg

[untold saffron]

if this game ever did get to the point of having world 8 there will/would be so much to manage and keep up with it'd be insane

[runic girder]

Theres probably a lot of later world qol

Stuff like printer and lab take a lot of complexity away

[pine folio]

yeah i just don't like it, no particular reason why

[tacit tulip]

Had to manually adjust my kills/Hr cause I'm on 5.5 KPK

but the time is so long the calculator can't calculate it

[sweet mirage]

it's impossible to have only 517 kills per hour, are you sure?

[tacit tulip]

To be fair it's a fairly poor setup, only 120% afk%

jsut what I had on at the time

167242 kills with 5784 MK is 2842 kills per hour

divide by 5.5 because of KPK gets me to 517

so about 11k hours, or about 459 days to guarantee the drop

I could shorten that for sure but I'd still be looking at 2-300 days

[wide bolt]

some tips how i can get good damage on v-man

[tacit tulip]

I believe best damage alchemy bubble for vman is the movement speed one for base damage

that, plus various % damage buffs

[opaque sun]

name i guess is a good balance of easy to raise (hourly clicks) and scaling

green base damage bubble is best per lvl, but sadly it uses mob drops so cant hourly click as often

[next wigeon]

I just got bear on a 5% chance, i started divinity yesterday. Should i keep pushing for 3rd god or put all my chars killing monsters or back in lab?

[tacit tulip]

Bear opens up your options a lot

You can stick a bunch of guys on bears and have all 10 people out in the wild if you want, giving you chances to do other things (level up/skilling), or you use snek for bigger lab afk gains to level up your lab if you need it

for someone fresh to w5 you typically want the goat god to level lab/divinity at the same time

[tacit tulip]

hmm, need to calculate my base kills KPK before dividing by MK, could be a good difference

still a month tho. Maybe once I've beaten kattle I'll make my vman do it

[sweet mirage]

My tactic was to check it every 2 or 3 days, not earlier

[next wigeon]

Ok i'll try to get goat and not do anything until then

[tacit tulip]

I'll just shoot for the guaranteed. Poor bastard spends his entire life fishing normally anyway

[sweet mirage]

hmmm, if I would use the bear god and my characters, will it work with this talent? Obviously they won't get lab exp, but it should work for all skill exp

[tacit tulip]

Believe it works but I've never actually checked

[sweet mirage]

I wouldn't want to set it up without doot anyway

well it must work, what would be the point of it, if it didn't work that way?

[tacit tulip]

Green tube doesn't actually specify you have to be -in- lab I think. Just "players to the left of you in the lab"

I never confirmed if they have to be inside lab or just left of you, in the lab screen 😄

[sweet mirage]

hmmm, that could make sens, will check it soon, need to get 20 books first

[tacit tulip]

right I'm finally ready, let's punch kattle in the face

actually, bit more

[versed sapphire]

is 2 bb 2 dk and 2 es the best setup?

[viral snow]

2sb 2dk 2es is preferred atm afaik

[timber viper]

any1 know if guilds of idleon is down?

[versed sapphire]

what is sb good for? because ik es is good for mob drops and stuff but why is sb good

[timber viper]

SB is THE mob farmer - death note kills and general afk kills is his thing

[versed sapphire]

ahh ok

[sterile tiger]

anyone got a citric conflict wave 50 guide>

[timber viper]

hell net you the most Rift kills afk by far and will get your gmush count up

[timber viper]

can you afk him with these stats?

[tacit tulip]

no

[timber viper]

😦

[sick sentinel]

just to add on, sb is the only way to smelt a lot of bars in forge. also the boost to anvil production items is nice to have

[thin rose]

Sb wack

Worst forger /j

[sick sentinel]

fights not so bad huh

[tacit tulip]

yeah quite quick all things considered

now to never do that again

[sick sentinel]

yeah not until i can auto the fight

[tacit tulip]

just need to sort my second BB/Bubo/SB

but need more keys

[sterile tiger]

any tutorials for wave 50 ctiric ?

[elder osprey]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSnlrC_6oW7P89Os4uECnEB_XOVr6TlPa-QhTC62DrtLnRkzQi1UAMnrEZassEaAQb6Cr3TEZAiSVvz/pubhtml#

[tacit tulip]

The builds in !guide are for 100 but they work lower with lower tower levels

I prefer the second one because the void getting stunned in the first one will end you

[opaque sun]

If for the achievement, you dont really need to use kraken up to that wave anyway

[elder osprey]

is it helium in the atom they give the big 3D sampels ?

[tacit tulip]

Boron is the source

Upgrading bubbles way above their intended level makes for massive efficiency gains

[elder osprey]

ahhh ok ty 😄

[tacit tulip]

Helium is great but it's by far the most expensive buff

so you don't get many levels in it

[sterile tiger]

wave 50 was hella easy anyway lol just made up my own shit

[untold saffron]

!trapchart

[obtuse orbit]

Created by ..someone

[vocal warren]

When did crumbs for magma legs get reduced to 1m? I could have sworn it was 10m at one point

[tacit tulip]

it was - last patch

maybe the one before, time is an illusion

it was within the last month or so

[heavy moth]

what 😮 really

[untold saffron]

10m always seemed a bit off considering the reqs for other pieces

[vocal warren]

I farmed 50m to keep my greenstack after getting full magma for all my chars, just noticed that I still have 46m

[tacit tulip]

2 weeks ago, so last patch

[vocal warren]

Is it in the patch notes?

[tacit tulip]

Nah lava didn't mention it

[sharp badger]

Hello, 1) Has the drop rate of Lucky Lad been modified? I get 1 or 2 drops per week, sometimes more if I keep my Bubonic active. 2) Are there only 5 plants to unlock in the gaming? Because I've made at least 20 attempts with a 10% chance of unlocking a new mutation, and I've got nothing. Or am I extremely unlucky?

[tacit tulip]

1. Not altered, but bubo is a lucky lad dispenser, expect that to happen
2. all plants exist, stop being so unlucky

[sharp badger]

😦

damn

[tacit tulip]

for what it's worth spaming unlocks is the way forwards

doubling your DNA doesn't double your chances

so it's a quantity>quality sorta thing

[crisp silo]

Just stop being unlucky 5head

Why didnt i think of that

[untold saffron]

20 chances at 10% isn't THAT unlucky

i've seen people go much worse

[tacit tulip]

12% chance of happening, so it'd happen to 1/8 players

[heavy moth]

even tho it feels satisfying

[opaque sun]

along with kattle update, where lava finally realized the digit typo

[sharp badger]

Okay, thank you. I'll follow the advice and keep spamming then.

[tacit tulip]

for the last couple you'll be rolling 0.1% chances and praying

[sterile tiger]

im stuck on beat chaotic kattlekruk in under 30 seconds

best times around a minute

[untold saffron]

chem plants are so worth the wait though at least

[tacit tulip]

pretty sure bubo is the fastest kattle killer

aura cast ontop of the boss melts it

[fading cape]

it never ends. Just resampled everyone on 3D yesterday, log in with vman this morning, realize he's not on his skill setup.

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[untold saffron]

how do you guys split your trapping critters after like max salt lick and all?

as in whos catching what

[sick sentinel]

i did 1 critter per character, with 1 exp blob trap before

now going for vials so all crabs

[tacit tulip]

As the worlds laziest gamer, I have a Vman set exp blob trap on everyone, then the rest of the critters split evenly

[pulsar cliff]

I wholeheartedly agree with Sakori lmao

[willow sorrel]

Can prio whatever critter u need for traps, like scarabs for the one after the void trap

Or blob fish

For the rest of end game traps

[untold saffron]

if i were going to do vials should I be getting a 1bill froge stack first?

[pulsar cliff]

Poison Froge vial?

[sick sentinel]

theres only poison frog vial so meh

[untold saffron]

i mean for the skill

[pulsar cliff]

Doesn't it scale off oak logs?

Or am I crazy.

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/9c83183bdc54cd89d94a04419dbfb4f0.png

[sick sentinel]

thats catching

[pulsar cliff]

OH mb

[fading cape]

Once hunter could assign traps I gave everyone a single thing each that I was aiming for to get alchemy up to atom use. then I started hunting vials and everyone went on frogge

[sick sentinel]

i never payed attention to that skill lol