lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[glacial venture]

to cut off time for cc too

[hidden grove]

it resets the pet revive skill and the cauldron skill

[glacial venture]

the times between ccs with tent 199 and 200 is huge

[edgy osprey]

Multikill doesn't matter for keys, right?

[hidden sphinx]

True but if you got like 60% cool-down with the bubble and maxed mana box then you’re still getting a proc every hour or 2

[hidden grove]

i think multikill increases rare drop rate so kind of

[hidden sphinx]

Under 200 and you’re still using the revive skill often enough to not run out of things to kill, unless you’re in a low density map

[hidden sphinx]

It seems to but it that might be subjective

It matters for ES tho cause it means you can kill more portal mobs

[hidden grove]

at certaub levels of the skill it increases the cd reduction by an extra second, which is a massive increase, aslo it basically garantees the removal of wait time on the revive skill

[tepid loom]

Multikill only affects the first drop listed on the card, and the number of mob kills added to dn per kill

[edgy osprey]

Aight

[hidden grove]

that is more damage, but higher portal number means increase in droprate which is another multiplier to add on to multikill and more multipliers means big difference

[hidden sphinx]

2 sec cool-down used to be what everyone used before fury relic. And that was good enough. You don’t need to wait until 200 book to farm alch on bubo

[heavy moth]

@pine pond can you send your IE ? would like to check to compare cause last time you were ahead at so many places

[glossy rain]

oh really? multikill only for first item? that doesnt make any sense

for me at least

[tepid loom]

Multikill is only supposed to help get the mob mats

It would invalidate drop rate if it affected all drops

[glossy rain]

so when im going for like yellow snowflakes it doesnt matter?

[hidden sphinx]

Nope

[tepid loom]

Nope

[hidden grove]

the real question is has that been confirmed by lava ? or is that just what people are guessing at ? because short of lava saying or looking at the code i would not be sure

[zealous niche]

It’s also the only mob drops that can be sampled and are the ones highlighted on maps

[glossy rain]

ugh+

[hidden sphinx]

Pretty sure lava said

[tepid loom]

It's been confirmed by people

[hidden sphinx]

We have code diggers tho

[zealous niche]

No guessing, it is the only thing MK affects

[tepid loom]

Besides, lava doesn't always understand how his game works

[hidden sphinx]

Also if multikill affected rate drops people wouldn’t be complaining about how annoying it is to get the w5 gloves recipe lol

[tepid loom]

I wouldn't take his word at face value

[hidden sphinx]

I think he barely understands

[versed cypress]

lava doesnt really plays the game so he doesnt see the same as the actual players

[sick sentinel]

lava a while back said he thought multikill did affect rare drops, who knows if he was trolling or not tho

[tepid loom]

hence crappy boss armor

[versed cypress]

he wasnt

[hidden sphinx]

Wouldn’t surprise me if he originally had the intention of having it affect it

[hidden grove]

most people who don't have that recipe dont have a massive multikill number

[versed cypress]

originaly the plan was for multikill to affect ALL drops

[hidden grove]

he literally codes it

[versed cypress]

but something didnt go to plan apparently and he never noticed

[hidden sphinx]

Check the posts on Reddit. Most of those had people with 10+ tiers

[hidden sphinx]

Have you tried coding before???

[tepid loom]

His code is hella janky

Try reading it sometime lmao

[hidden grove]

im fairly confident it does, you just need massive numbers for it so ist hard to notice

[hidden sphinx]

No coder ever understands exactly how some code interacts with other parts of the code

[sick sentinel]

#endgame-gen-chat message found the chat

[hidden sphinx]

Getting multikill tier 2 means the rare drops should drop 2x more often

It’s easy to notice

[hidden grove]

i actually have, its why i really don't want to look at the code for this game because i know what a nightmare it would be, lava does not seem like the type of guy to code things logicaly seeing as to how he wrote the formula for cost reductions

[hidden sphinx]

You’re thinking subjectively not objectively

[versed cypress]

yeah mk doesnt affect any drop but the very first drop in the mob card

[hidden grove]

no, that is now how that works

[hidden sphinx]

You likely increased dr at the same time as increasing mk and assume the mk was helping

[versed cypress]

it doesnt

[hidden sphinx]

If mk affected rare drops then it would

[versed cypress]

mk doesnt work for any resource that is considered rare

[sick sentinel]

only top left resource on cards for mk

[deft grail]

MultiKill ONLY affects a monster's base drop multiplier, full stop

[sick sentinel]

thats why it works for frisbees

[deft grail]

Whatever Lava intended to do with other kinds of drops (rares, etc) it's not in the game

[hidden sphinx]

Or are you saying having teir 2 mk would mean you get 2 rare drops when it does drop??

[deft grail]

You get 1

[hidden sphinx]

Idk why you’re still arguing the point

[deft grail]

if you have 50x MK you get 1x quantity of a rare drop still

[hidden sphinx]

Everyone else has said mk doesn’t affect rare drops

[sick sentinel]

who are you arguing with

[hidden sphinx]

@hidden grove

[hidden grove]

ok i just did a quick test

[hidden sphinx]

He was the one saying mk affected rare drops

[hidden grove]

multikill does increase your kill per hour

[sick sentinel]

ah was confused lol

[hidden grove]

which means it increases rare drop chance

[tepid loom]

No

[versed cypress]

wrong

[deft grail]

you'd think, but no lol

[hidden sphinx]

Everyone thought I was arguing it does

[tepid loom]

Rare drops are base kill/hr

[hidden grove]

rare drop chances actually become a garantee when you surpass the kill requirement by a number

[hidden sphinx]

Yes

[versed cypress]

on base kills

[hidden sphinx]

But that’s base kills

[hidden grove]

meaning that increasing kill per hour does incrase rare drop chance

[versed cypress]

no mk no god no anything

[tepid loom]

But that number is base kills

[deft grail]

on base kills, you have to strip away all MK bonus to figure out base kill rate

Back in W1-2 this was way esier to figure out lol

[hidden sphinx]

There’s a spreadsheet that calculates how long you need to afk for a confirmed rare drop. It helps you calculate base kills

[tepid loom]

It's why we have a calculator to figure out how long ti afk for guaranteed drops

[versed cypress]

MK ONLY affects the top left drop in the monster card, this has been confirmed by code divers for a LONG LONG time

[tepid loom]

Since w3 release

[deft grail]

Maybe in W6 we'll have a solution for greenstacking Pearlers ^_^

[versed cypress]

there is ppl with literaly thousands upong thousands of mk and ppl are not swimming in rare drops

[hidden sphinx]

Nah w8

[fallen jacinth]

will this tab give me skilling obol ?

[hidden sphinx]

Pray for card obol unless you’ve managed to get dementia card obol

[hidden grove]

i highly doubt they dived the actual code, they just did some testing and made assumptions

[fallen jacinth]

wait there a card obol ?

[hidden sphinx]

Yeah card drop obol

[tepid loom]

They read actual code

[fallen jacinth]

why do i need a card obol eh

[tepid loom]

Which is why we know the formulas for things

[hidden sphinx]

There’s code divers in the discord

[versed cypress]

no there are actual code divers a lot of them

[edgy osprey]

On what map should I farm keys with ES?

[sick sentinel]

trust us, there are/were code divers who figured out how the game works

[hidden grove]

very rare

[fallen jacinth]

i thought it was a low prio obol

[tepid loom]

Slab

[hidden sphinx]

Half of the wiki uses info from code divers

[hidden sphinx]

It’s low chance so it’s annoying to get, only need it for slab tho

[fallen jacinth]

i did get 1 silver card obol

[versed cypress]

a lot of what IE and toolbox show you is information gathered thanks to the code divers

[fallen jacinth]

there a brozne and gold one too ?

[deft grail]

Man's been here since Feb and is just dismissing years of dedicated Discord/Wiki contributers for fun lol

[hidden sphinx]

Can take a while even if you farm liquid with bubo

[tepid loom]

I'm doing moles to also make slow progress at quest

[hidden sphinx]

And plat and dementia

[edgy osprey]

I'm more about highest gains

[hidden grove]

looking at code and knowing how it works are two very different things, trust me i have looked at other peoples code before, also you are running under teh assumption the code has not changed

[tepid loom]

If you can get good wormhole kills at wurms then go for it

[hidden sphinx]

Bruh

You’re impossible @hidden grove

[tepid loom]

It's about maximizing your wormhole

[sick sentinel]

and you are assuming the capabilities of other people lol at this point you are trolling

[hidden sphinx]

You’re discounting people who code dive every update

[versed cypress]

i guess its time to stop the discusion then, there will be no changing their stance

[sick sentinel]

this isnt the only game that people have checked code for

[deft grail]

@hidden grove Member since: Feb 14th, 2023

[hidden sphinx]

If you’ve read other peoples code before and are assuming the codes changed just code dive yourself

[edgy osprey]

I'm giving this guy five minutes or my bubo gets his gear back

[hidden grove]

bruh i have read the whole base kill number thing a long time ago, the issue is that was from before we had kills in such absurd numbers and rare drops require very high kills

[tepid loom]

Smh if you don't wanna believe us then whatever but don't try to spout lies and confuse people around here

[hidden sphinx]

No this guy isn’t worth it

Don’t give bubo his gear back

[hidden grove]

no i just know hte type of illogical code lava does

[edgy osprey]

Oh really? Because at least he got five times the keys my ES got in half an hour. In fifteen minutes!

[hidden sphinx]

Just cause mk allows us to get kills/hr in the millions doesn’t mean lava changed the code lol

[hidden sphinx]

Pssshh make him his own gear then if you’re so proud of him

[sick sentinel]

which is why there are code divers

[deft grail]

post pic of greenstacked golden poop @hidden grove if that's how it works ???

[edgy osprey]

It is his gear tho.... I just wanted to test ES out

[hidden sphinx]

Oooh, mb

Yeah give the good boy his gear back

[zealous niche]

What’s the point of coming in to ask us questions if you don’t trust us to answer them?

[hidden sphinx]

The little bubo who could

[deft grail]

Like regardless of any discussion: this is very easy to test now and prove wrong

[hidden grove]

yes becaue incrasing golde poops from 0.2 per hour to 10 per hour will defintely allow me to green stack it, great thinking there bob

[tight merlin]

Green stacked golden poop is cheated💀

[versed cypress]

lets put htis in perspective for you, in a 24h i can kill 4.3m crawlers (2nd to last mob w5) with all my mk bonuses etc, the drop rate for the keys are 1 in 50k and i have 8.4x DR i should be getting hundreds of keys on a session if mk worked on rare drops yet i only get 20-25 keys on an afk session

[edgy osprey]

Hmmmmm.... 4 keys in 10 seconds... Okay, he can keep it for now

[hidden sphinx]

And yet that means you should be getting 50x more poop an hour than everyone currently gets?

So people who have 100s of poop you should have thousands

Smh the hundred of players of this game are doing it all wrong

[deft grail]

No poop, no proof

[versed cypress]

i know ppl with about 10k mk % on poops, and i know for a fact they dont have greenstcked gold poop xDDD

[zealous niche]

Ikr, all this time, after so much time analysing the game and we missed it

How could we

[hidden sphinx]

Honestly rare drops should be greenstacked as well at this point

[tight merlin]

Special drops are useless after ES release its a droping machine

[pearl rover]

When was the last Chocy chip?

[sick sentinel]

april

[hidden sphinx]

April

[edgy osprey]

I too love to have a crippling gambling addiction

[zealous niche]

Check the chips schedule, in w4 pins iirc

[iron jolt]

is there no longer the predictor for future trades in sailing?

[tight merlin]

I think 2 month ago

[fervent brook]

Does the Molten Obol addition change anything for samples?

[pearl rover]

I was away for a week and just making sure I didn't miss it, tyty.

[sick sentinel]

its in the #endgame-gen-chat pins a little scolled down

[versed cypress]

my guess is not enuogh data sample at the moment to give an answer for that question

[hidden sphinx]

Next choco was this month iirc?

[iron jolt]

i don't have access to tha

[pearl rover]

Says here December?

[hidden sphinx]

Oh that’s every worse than I thought

[pine pond]

I'm probably not ahead of you

[zealous niche]

#👀read-me then to get access

[tepid loom]

#👀read-me click the peanut

[iron jolt]

ah thnx

[pine pond]

No way I'm ahead of you lol

[sterile sundial]

Molten Obols?

[hidden sphinx]

Lava be skimping on the fundamental choco chip rotation

[hidden sphinx]

Boss obol

[tight merlin]

The new 5% afk obols

[sterile sundial]

Oh ok

[iron jolt]

i scrolled through a bunch all the way back to feb of this year so im assuming I missed it or it was removed?

[tight merlin]

The 20% afk from obols is huge buff

For samples

[pine pond]

These beautiful things

[pure spindle]

Happy for you

[pine pond]

You mean 6% afk

[tight merlin]

Dude why you so lucky

[sick sentinel]

haha a little bit further it was jan this year #endgame-gen-chat message

[pine pond]

That's not lucky, I've done 90 bosses

And that's all I have to show for it

[hidden quail]

is mega crit broken on beast master?

[tight merlin]

You cant reroll them?

[rotund charm]

do i have to be afk to gain divinity points/xp?

[iron jolt]

oh it's a diff link, i got it, thnx circ

[fervent brook]

Its for sure best for moster samples but not sure if it is for skilling in certain situations.

[pine pond]

Wym

Swear you could

[bold quiver]

did u get those at nightmare?

[pearl rover]

Realistically, to get the 5k Starfield Skies Spice needed for Emerald Ulthurite(special pets Jewel) in a week you would need to be a fairly end game player, correct? Like I'm at moles, and it would be an insane farm for me.

[tight merlin]

Someone said the new obol doesnt work reroll so i didnt try

[sick sentinel]

i can try rerolling mine

so far only the total dmg has changed

[wind umbra]

just tried u def can

[sick sentinel]

besides the base stats

[pine pond]

I only do nightmare

[pine pond]

I guess it only re rolls te bottom

[cosmic tendon]

I think omni procs can help get a few times the spice (doot)

[sick sentinel]

oh shit the afk works too

[tight merlin]

Oh it works 😄

[hidden sphinx]

You got elephant god? Just equip him on multiple chars, stack your best foraging pet setup for the spice and every 2 hours check on every char

[bold quiver]

even after droping wings and neck?

[pine pond]

WYM AFTER ?? IM STILL WAITING

[bold quiver]

hmm so would u stil farm nghtmare had u dropped?

[tight merlin]

I didnt drop wings yet

[hidden sphinx]

I don’t have the dmg for nightmare 😦

[pine pond]

Yeah probably

[bold quiver]

i see thanks

[pine pond]

Afk re rolls to 6%? Right

[pearl rover]

Hmm okay. Cheers.

[cosmic tendon]

Because keys are easy getting for u?

[hidden sphinx]

Not worth the time farming to the time in the room

[pine pond]

I don't have fragments to test

^^^

[pine pond]

@tight merlin

[tight merlin]

So its evem 24% afk from obols its big 😄

[hidden sphinx]

Or 4%

[pine pond]

Well we not counting negatives

[tight merlin]

With 5000lv obol unlock its juicy 30% afk

[hidden sphinx]

4 is bigger than 6 idk what you on a bout

[fervent brook]

I guess we will have to do testing on skilling with it compared to skilling obols.

[pine pond]

Guess I need to farm obols to min max those obols

[sick sentinel]

yep 1/4 is bigger than 1/6 math checks out

[hidden sphinx]

Exaclty

[pine pond]

Afk is better then skilling

There's no question there

[hidden sphinx]

The dem skilling obols are overpriced anyway

[pine pond]

Nah

I'm about to start grinding obols

[sick sentinel]

i still need to slab em

[pine pond]

Lmao

[tight merlin]

Yes the new afk gear just makes skilling necklance useless

[hidden sphinx]

Sucks I made 3 mining dem obols just before update

[pine pond]

Wym skillijg necklace useless

Is everyone in this channel an idiot

[hidden sphinx]

You met bunies right?

[pine pond]

Unless your talking about dungeon pendant ?

Then yes that's worthless

[hidden sphinx]

The guy who was convinced that he was the sole person who knew mk affected rare drops

[tight merlin]

Wait isnt there new pendant with afk bonus?

Or i mistake with trophy

[hollow ledge]

poor guy

[hidden sphinx]

We spent about 10 mins tryna convince him he’s wrong. He couldn’t accept it

[pine pond]

Yes

[hollow ledge]

must have gotten out of the hospital again

[cosmic tendon]

That’s what they’re saying

New afk pendant over skill eff pendants

[hidden sphinx]

He’s just a young ‘un not even a fully grown rabbit yet

How much dr do you get from the new gear?

[pine pond]

Almost 200%

[green eagle]

@sick sentinel so fun fact the plat twine is better for sampling bloach and kraken than gold twine. the picture isn't wrong though, it was MUCH easier to ensure getting those two when using gold twine

[hidden sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/cum-penis-cum-i-creamed-cumming-xd-gif-20404521

[fervent brook]

I hope everyone turns takes lucky lad off of the filter until they have enough to craft 10 new pendents lol.

[sick sentinel]

hey thats actually cool to know! good on you for doing the testing lol

[tight merlin]

Do you have enough damage on beserker to kill nightmare for recipe unlock

[untold saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-stan-south-park-stan-ectoplasm-internet-gif-15130904

[pine pond]

15% for helmet double the trophy, that's almost 120% drop rate 👌

[hidden sphinx]

Yeah it wasn’t cause of big DR increases

[green eagle]

yeah it took 25+ sample attempts to get bloaches and only 3 with gold twine

[cosmic tendon]

Are ppl be using the stones?

[pine pond]

On dreadlo tools only

[hidden sphinx]

I’ll start using the stones when it’s light work to remake all the gear

[fervent brook]

Not yet but I like to farm some things early when I am able. Lucky Lad is not something I want to have to deal with in short time.

[still apex]

Does the reflective eyesight talent only work when used before planting traps?

[untold saffron]

!trapchart

[obtuse orbit]

Created by ..someone

[untold saffron]

no

[fervent brook]

Lava needs to make adjustments to Fishing lol. Exp and sampling is just a pain in the ass.

[hidden sphinx]

Don’t remind me of trapping

I hate it

[untold saffron]

its easy mode now

[hidden sphinx]

I still hate it

I’m still working towards royal traps

So I hate it

[untold saffron]

thats fair

[zealous niche]

On a scale of fishing to chopping how much do you hate it

[untold saffron]

once the chips roll over tonight I need to redo my traps

[hidden sphinx]

Fishing fr fr

[cosmic tendon]

4 out of 5 kruk stones succeeding is better than 5 out of 5 w5 stones

[hidden sphinx]

Yeah but whose happy with 4/5

[zealous niche]

But 1 out of 5 is not and you can’t guarantee 4/5

[hidden sphinx]

If there’s 5 people in front of me and I only manage to run over 4 of them best believe I’m reversing

[fervent brook]

I remember before the huge QOL update I would place all my traps and find out I did not have characters set up in the best way for it.

[pine pond]

No it's not lol

Damn imma just leave this channel got stupid

[untold saffron]

so you're saying you're a quitter

[cosmic tendon]

It’s 8 vs 6

[hidden sphinx]

I’m saying round 2

[untold saffron]

need a new run up, i get you i get you

[hidden sphinx]

Exaclty

Gotta get that speed

I want them to look like that armadillo in rango

[cosmic tendon]

Yeah even 3/5 and I’d feel like I made garbage gear even though it’s only 6 skill power lower

[untold saffron]

is everyone here right tilt gang for the arcade?

[hidden sphinx]

Yes

[cosmic tendon]

That’s pretty aggressive since I’m right?

[hidden sphinx]

But I should stop trusting lava’s word

[pine pond]

Didn't improve my woodcutting efficiency at all

[cosmic tendon]

I have no idea what you’re talking about?

[untold saffron]

92, could of been worse

[hidden sphinx]

That is good

Last one I got was 20

[hidden sphinx]

It really shoulda

Oh well

[noble hound]

Any idea why whwn i purchased the last atom upgrade for dmg it went down? I was at 123b and now im 120b

[hidden sphinx]

Did you do to daily add watch for increased dmg?

Oh wait that’s not been implemented yet

[edgy osprey]

So, just as an estimate: how many keys do you guys get with ES per hour?

[kind geyser]

Just realized how am I going to get a better score on snow man worship

[hidden sphinx]

Possibly dropped a greenstack cause of refinery or forge?

[hidden sphinx]

5 🙂

[edgy osprey]

That it?

[green eagle]

[hidden sphinx]

Yeah my dmg is hella low

Can’t get that high portal

[edgy osprey]

Okay, someone with higher damage maybe?

[hidden sphinx]

Lol

[edgy osprey]

Like...around 200b

[hidden sphinx]

That’s like 100x mine

[knotty urchin]

would I be crazy to let my pc run idleon overnight

[hidden sphinx]

No

[edgy osprey]

No, that's what I do

[hidden sphinx]

It’s activeon

[knotty urchin]

ok great

[cosmic tendon]

A lot of mechanics kind of rely on you doing that

[hidden sphinx]

You gotta say activeon with the Nivea accent

[edgy osprey]

Seriously though, I got like 5 keys in 30 mins with ES, now bubo already got 4 in the last 10 minutes

[knotty urchin]

im only in w2 D:

[green eagle]

idk about my ES, but my bubo got about 40/hr overnight

[hidden sphinx]

Bruh why you in w5 chat

[green eagle]

he is at 212b dmg

[knotty urchin]

oh

[knotty urchin]

I didnt read hahahaha

[prisma drift]

My bubo gets 20 keys an hour at wurms

[cosmic tendon]

By w4/5 u need to, but scribing a char the whole time has big perks

[green eagle]

i could do my ES as well, but i'm not farming with ES atm, i've been resampling everything today

[hidden sphinx]

It’s calm but it’s just massive difference in play to w2

[edgy osprey]

I know, right? But everyone says ES is so good!

[knotty urchin]

yeah sorry my bad 😭

[untold saffron]

at what DR?

[edgy osprey]

But here I am, getting jack shit from him

[prisma drift]

11

[green eagle]

i only did my bubo because i was needing liquid for atoms

[formal swift]

You need damage for ES just use divine knight

[hidden sphinx]

Well the maps all have pretty good mob density

[prisma drift]

Gotta hit that money breakpoint

[hidden sphinx]

And bubo outshines ES for rare drops when the mob density is high

And the map lends itself to bubo

[edgy osprey]

Nah mates, I'mma be honest, ES isn't getting shit done, I'm going back to the insane reviver

[hidden sphinx]

Bubo godddddddd

He’s coming back into primary use

[edgy osprey]

Bubo4life

[hidden sphinx]

I can’t wait until lava makes vman into best char in legends of Idleon 5

[deep lodge]

Is this a discussion about keys/hr?

[hidden sphinx]

Yeah

[edgy osprey]

More or less, yeah

[untold saffron]

got 3 efaunt wings in 10 kills to upgrade the card, does anyone except BM need a pair? ES for worship maybe?

[deep lodge]

I'm getting 40/h with DK when I was getting 20/h with ES

[hidden sphinx]

How’s your bubo look tho

[deep lodge]

• i'm getting pens and a ton of xp

Didn't try bubo yet

I'm happy to active on DK for construction speed

[edgy osprey]

ES is shit for keys, change my mind

[hidden sphinx]

ES is shit change my mind

[deep lodge]

That's a fact, so no need to change

[green eagle]

ES if i'm actually going for keys is much better, i just don't have exact numbers because i'm doing something else

[edgy osprey]

What's your damage at with ES?

[green eagle]

250b

[edgy osprey]

Yeah, no

Dr?

[green eagle]

11.5

[edgy osprey]

Map?

[versed cypress]

i mean if your ES cant handle high portal kills from the mobs of course its going to be bad at collecting drops, ES massive utility comes from thembeing able to kill thousands of portal mobs

[deep lodge]

My ES at 100B / 11DR is 2x worse than DK

[edgy osprey]

Thousands of Tremor Worms? How in the fuck would I pull that off?

[sick sentinel]

my dk was better than bubo for keys, dont remember how es was

[tight merlin]

1t+ ES with 14 dr farms like a elon musk the drops

[versed cypress]

be one of the persons that have trillions of dmg of course xDDD

[edgy osprey]

...... Bubo4life

30/h is plenty for me

[versed cypress]

baseline player ES will not have the dmg to kill thousands of tremour wurms untill w6 comes out

[deep lodge]

You can't even get 1000 gmush portal kills I think

[tight merlin]

Even on gmush ES cant kill 1000 kekw

[deep lodge]

Something like 300 i'd say?

[edgy osprey]

I want to see anyone with 1000 ES Portal kills

[green eagle]

but.. why?

[edgy osprey]

On a W5 mob

[deep lodge]

Math

[versed cypress]

currently your best key farmer is either DK or bubo whoever can handle the tremor wurms the best

[tight merlin]

The skill scales to hard you vant get 1000 not even 500

[versed cypress]

dunno how good tremor map is for DK tough

[pulsar jetty]

One word. EGG.

[deep lodge]

VERY good

[green eagle]

not good at all, imo

[deep lodge]

Bruh what? I got 840 orb

[versed cypress]

thats 2 conflicting messages

[untold saffron]

do you just max midas minded ye?

[green eagle]

i don't see how you'd get to 840 orbs lmao that's a good talent level

do you manually place knight disciples?

[deep lodge]

That's right this instant

264 orb talent level

[green eagle]

because mine always ends up placing two on the same level and it's a wash

[tight merlin]

He is using event monsters

[deep lodge]

No, but they often end up well placed

When they're placed badly, I go to 650-700 i'd say

[zealous niche]

Enhanced knight would help if you don’t have that

[deep lodge]

And one thing that helps a lot is using a crystal preset, they increase orb count by a LOT

[sick sentinel]

dk on tremors is fine

im getting the same numbers

[green eagle]

i'm doing bug samples tomorrow, don't want to set up chips and cards again

[edgy osprey]

May you spare a minute to talk about our lord and savior bubo?

[green eagle]

even though it would only take like.. 20 minutes lol

i've done ores, logs, and fish today

i should do bugs, but i don't wanna

[fiery plume]

royal sampler doesn't lower class xp does it...

[green eagle]

by the tiniest amount

[deep lodge]

It does, but it should not really affect you with grind time and other sources of xp

[green eagle]

it isn't that much of a detriment to not use it

you want the 90% sample rate more than anything

[edgy osprey]

It literally says ALL exp

[untold saffron]

is there something that explains what breakpoints are and how they work exactly?

[deep lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSxyiCe_X-Q

[fiery plume]

that's why I never used it... mine is -75% all exp gain. In my head I thought that would be multiplicative

[edgy osprey]

If it doesn't say it, don't assume anything in this game is multiplicative

If you need to check tho, just equip it and inspect the change in your player menu in the inventory

[deep lodge]

Except if it's Fiber of Absence

[versed cypress]

the only negative bonus that is sort of multiplicative is maestro transfusion buff because it gets applied to the efficiency before any positive bonuses

[zealous niche]

Common thought, but no. It’s additive

[green eagle]

you go from (for example) 1.00 or 100% exp to .25 or 25% exp, but add in all your other sources and it is washed away

[fiery plume]

thanks everyone for the comments. I understand now 🙂

[green eagle]

it isn't really that bad at all

there is another zow number between 220-245, right?

and surely there is another between 220-270

[fiery plume]

231, 264 I believe

[sick sentinel]

yep its by 33

[green eagle]

dang, wasting talent points then if i book it to 245

was hoping i'd get another breakpoint

[sick sentinel]

you can reach 264 from bonus points

symbols 12, es at least 10 or 11

[green eagle]

yeah and so obviously 297 isn't attainable haha

yet

[versed cypress]

what the current max book??

[sick sentinel]

i thought you were meaning you couldnt get 264 lol

[green eagle]

245

[sick sentinel]

slug gets it but... ya knnow...

[green eagle]

slug will give you 25 more talent levels as well

so without symbols or ES family bonus your current max is 270 i believe

[tacit tulip]

13 symbols, 11 ES, another 12 -ish from bear, 1 from an achievement, gets you to 282

[versed cypress]

so current max should be around...with slug, arctis, ES and symbols you can be getting a max of around 307-310

[tacit tulip]

sounds about right

[versed cypress]

but it depends a lot on getting the pet

with level 100 divinity and 120 big P bubble you can get the 15 points from arctis

[tacit tulip]

oh nice

[versed cypress]

level 80 divinity and 160big P give it as well

level 120 divinity only needs big P at level 96 if i remember right when i did all the calculations

[green eagle]

@sick sentinel is there a catching chart too? like !bugchart

[tacit tulip]

!catchchart

[sick sentinel]

there's one for all skills

you can do '!help commands' in bot commands to see the full list of stuff

[outer plank]

can someone please explain to me how doot works with divinity? I just got to W5 and unlocked the snake, when do I get "all divinities" active on all characters

[untold saffron]

3 divinity i've heard

[tacit tulip]

need level 2 divinity on the character you're active on for doot to be in effect

so...get at least level 2 on every character

[bleak gazelle]

there's no !alchchart for this though

[outer plank]

is divinity only active when active? not afk?

[tacit tulip]

It's always active, but doot only activates when your div levle is 2

[outer plank]

so hitting level 2 divinity just gave me the entire bonus list?

[tacit tulip]

yup, all major/minor link bonuses

If you swap to a character that is level 1 divinity tho, you'll lose the bonuses

so best to level them all up a little

[outer plank]

oh my lord it actually did, just verified by checking lab and yup they're all going

[tacit tulip]

Minor bonuses scale with your divinity level and the third bonus requires the god unlocked to level it up, so you still have reason to do divinity

But...welcome to being OP 😄

[outer plank]

incredible

how long should I leave the whole team on divinity?

[tacit tulip]

Honestly not that long right this second, you'd probably benefit from doing other things now you have this power then coming back to it

[outer plank]

ye that's my thought too

[tacit tulip]

The goat god means placing someone in lab also generates divinity so you can do both at once if you like

[outer plank]

have them push maps for more boss keys/levels while maestro skills

[tacit tulip]

The bear god gives you lab presence (but no exp if not in lab)- that can't be cheesed with goat unfortunately

[outer plank]

lab presence is huge enough

[tacit tulip]

It really is, I'm not a minmaxer so often have 6 guys linked to bear out of laziness

having doot would be amazing lol

[green eagle]

i did it anyways, i did catching samples. i forgot to see progress on flies, but i think it was 640k > 10m now,

this was cereal

still a tiny sample, but that feels nice. won't need to have that sample turned on very long to replenish a card doubler anymore lol

[fallow aurora]

why is cactus not giving growth cycle to my other plants?

[brisk bay]

hey when is a good time to start working on the rift?

[bleak gazelle]

Think its still based off your evo chance per growth cycle

[opaque sun]

cactus is just adding evo cycles, so its not guarantee

Else will be the most op plant

[fallow aurora]

my 14% chance feels like 0%, does the chance to evolve decrease every evolution?

[modern plaza]

basically yes

[modern plaza]

whats your oak logs at!?

100m+ ehh??

[fallen hill]

R41 in 1.5 hrsa

[shrewd nexus]

i finally got rift 44, the ES one, just afk ones left till 46. new w5 weapon was what got me there

[molten scarab]

gud b0ii

[shrewd nexus]

do ruby cards suck to get, or are some ok?

[warm kayak]

just hit W5, so what gem upgrades are worth it?

[opaque sun]

cchiz somehow has a very low requirement to get to ruby

[fallen jacinth]

do i get double the big bubble and star sign if i equip them ?

[opaque sun]

bubble does nothing if you have sheepie

Starsign doubles if you have chip and wearing it

[fallen jacinth]

oh okay

[tacit tulip]

they mostly suck, but the "normal" ones are grindable

the problem ones are the chaos/nm bosses, which are pretty much mandatory to cardify

[opaque sun]

If you dont have chip, wearing infinite starsign does nothing

[marble shuttle]

isn't that demonstrably false...?

[shrewd nexus]

thanks

[glacial oxide]

green gem upgrades are worth it the most

[opaque sun]

why would it be?

[marble shuttle]

Equipping the Forsaken and not (with the infinity star activated) shows a bump in afk fight %

[vagrant mountain]

i feel like ive been farming plunderous mobs for a week straight and im only at 7.3k

[marble shuttle]

or did I misread the conversation?

[tacit tulip]

you should get about 1k an hour at citringes, assuming Vman buff

[opaque sun]

if you have chip, it doubles. If you dont have chip, wearing a starsign that is infinite does nothing

[gaunt island]

1m plunderous gotta take months if not year(s) dont stress it

[vagrant mountain]

no plunder buffs :/

[shrewd nexus]

thats weirdly slow, i did it for one day got about 20k and then stopped because it was going no where fast

[tacit tulip]

yeah don't bother farming it if you don't have the buff, it's the only thing that makes it bearable

[vagrant mountain]

my damage is kinda low only 65M

im trying to squeeze some levels out

[marble shuttle]

ahhh gotcha

[shrewd nexus]

ah okay, as long as plunderouskills isnt your main goal, makes sense

[vagrant mountain]

im just trying to push lvl 300 on my first SB before i retire him to gmush

[shrewd nexus]

as sakori says, its way easier with vman buff

[vagrant mountain]

i told myself id stop at 10k kills but taking forever 😆

[tacit tulip]

right, sleepy time for me. Pray for vman glove recipe for me

[vagrant mountain]

[gaunt island]

kekw suggma time for me aswell

[shrewd nexus]

you got this (morgan freeman: "but he didnt got this...")

[tacit tulip]

13 DR

[gaunt island]

D:

[shrewd nexus]

13 in 50,000,000 i like those odds

[gaunt island]

thats not how it works xD

[vagrant mountain]

lol

[tacit tulip]

almost done with vial tho lmao

[gaunt island]

remember its always 50/50 it either drops or doesnt

[tacit tulip]

on average you'd expect to get 1000 royal ashes per recipe so I'm definitely rolling badly

[gaunt island]

u afking or active?

[tacit tulip]

this has been ES active for portal kills

[shrewd nexus]

have you double cheked its not on yout filter list?

[gaunt island]

aye figured as much, imagined 400m afk on vman for a moment kekw

[tacit tulip]

definitely isn't haha

[gaunt island]

(there are 3 filter pages)

[tacit tulip]

(I know)

[cosmic tendon]

Is rift mastery a reasonable use of a couple hundred hrs of candy?

[gaunt island]

[shrewd nexus]

(bracket text looks cool)

[vagrant mountain]

why not

[tacit tulip]

usual rules of candy: what else you gonna blow it on? Might as well

[cosmic tendon]

I feel better when other ppl make my decisions

[tacit tulip]

Mega chows might be the other thing to consider

[gaunt island]

I wanna blow it on wurms but I cant :/

[bold quiver]

damn thats a lot of suggma

[vagrant mountain]

sounds like a hard life

[gaunt island]

or well ... suggma

[tacit tulip]

I'm prepping my Vman for NM kattle so kinda want the gloves for the extra atk speed

[vagrant mountain]

how about... ligma

[shrewd nexus]

2hr candies are nice for pop obal farming if you dont have a couple sets of those

[cosmic tendon]

It is but it’s other ppls fault

[gaunt island]

ligma is a w6 mob

[tacit tulip]

iirc lava considered renaming suggma because it's the sorta meme that would go out of style

[gaunt island]

gonna have 1 in 500 000 000 recipe aswell

[cosmic tendon]

A timeless memer of style and taste

[vagrant mountain]

touche

[shrewd nexus]

im going to idleoff now

[gaunt island]

woof

[shrewd nexus]

woof.

[gaunt island]

how do ppl play enough to maintain all 10 chars ready for kruk 😮 my 3 neglected bois cant handle it

[lavish cloak]

So whats the next best way to figure out what to focus on improving next now that bigmacs bot is gone?

[gaunt island]

rule of thumb: if a level of thing u look at is below 100 it needs rising

scales as more worlds come out

[lavish cloak]

Most bonuses are account wide. After playing for 7000 hours my neglected beastmaster and 2nd es just autoattack for 2 minutes to kill nightmare.

[opaque sun]

when you stop with the concept of having a “main character”, things get better with progress

[lavish cloak]

Biggest struggle is voidwalker. Micromanaging moles in between screenclears is hell

[gaunt island]

2 min per kill ;_;

[lavish cloak]

50 bil damage is chump change >.<

[gaunt island]

I got a mmo brain, I can't abandon my BB

[lavish cloak]

I invest a lot of love into my bb before setting him to stay in the kitchen forever.

[gaunt island]

put a second bb into the kitchen for that cause xD

[lavish cloak]

2 bb's means you fish like a champ right?

[gaunt island]

aye swimmin in dat krakenussy

[lavish cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/kissing-kiss-kiss-me-kisser-kissed-gif-22467316

[gaunt island]

[lavish cloak]

I recently printed 1050 of all fish after getting all vials to level 13. Feels good to print copper now

[gaunt island]

I'll prolly only craft one divine set tho, reached w5 like 50 days ago, catching up doe

[lavish cloak]

Youll craft one then eventually a second one is judt an eventuality

[opaque sun]

divine armor is a sidegrade, so check the misc and see if it matches to what the character is doing

Like making divine body and pants just makes it weaker if doing active

[lavish cloak]

Oh that reminds me to make a todo list to craft all magma again since allstats are better than most crafting gear too

[worldly bluff]

UwU

[lavish cloak]

Big ol strides forward

[worldly bluff]

5m an hour is NOT bad for Atom

[lavish cloak]

Keep it going. Youll beat me soon if you have doot >D

[worldly bluff]

I do >.>

[gaunt island]

doot havers

[worldly bluff]

Don’t mob me plz

[lavish cloak]

Cool. 252m is your goal then

[worldly bluff]

I got it on accident while drunk lol

[wheat umbra]

hey does anyone know the steps for gettin a voidwalker (if thats what theyre called)

[lavish cloak]

Go to world 4, click the dude in the far right, do what he says

[wheat umbra]

aight

ty

[gaunt island]

get a maestro, then level it up to lvl150, then kill 12m gmush, ez vman

[worldly bluff]

And you need 1m kills on a lot of things

[summer storm]

when would it be a good time to go for t6 plants?

[lavish cloak]

You accidentally won the game >D

[lavish cloak]

When you dont need to save up 2 days or more to get it.

[worldly bluff]

Found this with a quick google search https://gameslikefinder.com/article/idleon-voidwalker-build-guide/

[wheat umbra]

tyty

[lavish cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-google-that-for-you-alber-einstein-explosion-gif-13420321

[worldly bluff]

I’ve been behind everyone for so long, it’s nice for once not being behind

[gaunt island]

there's a dude choppin' maple with golden axe here on muh map 😮

[summer storm]

2 days or less is so far into gaming tho

[worldly bluff]

What’s his stats look like?

[gaunt island]

he's chonky 😮 3.5k agi

[lavish cloak]

No one is required to be GOOD at this game

[worldly bluff]

That’s so hot

[gaunt island]

yeah but ... moar logs? 😄

[lavish cloak]

I spent 110$ and have every pet aside from doot. Every action i perform is simply preparation for the day i acquire doot naturally

[gaunt island]

well at least you've cut the line from 2yrs to like several months

[vagrant mountain]

need to kill 12m after starting the quest, right?

[worldly bluff]

That’s a good mentality ❤️

[worldly bluff]

My story is I begged my boyfriend for $20 while I was super drunk and he sent me $20 and I bought rolls and I got him. 😂

[gaunt island]

aye, multikill stuff comes first tho, check those pesky wood shrooms and bloodbones in the note

[lavish cloak]

Make sweet sweet idle love to that boy

[gaunt island]

misunderstood ur question, retroactive kills count iirc

[lavish cloak]

Just make the deathnote say the correct numbers and you're good

[dreamy merlin]

The card,not death note

[lavish cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-well-point-taken-johnny-rose-johnny-eugene-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20290725

[lavish cloak]

You act like gaming wont be a constant source of progression meters to follow indefinitely.

[gaunt island]

ayy go get dat account level 9999

[chrome tiger]

did something change with the reset timer?

feels like it's much later than it should be

[gaunt island]

mine moved from 5am to like 5:11 recently, idk what influenced it :d

[chrome tiger]

spoopy

[sick sentinel]

Mine has been moving further and further back as well

[bold quiver]

finaly enough lvl to claim

[sick sentinel]

This mf

[gaunt island]

daym

[sick sentinel]

[gaunt island]

gz

[bold quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-klee-wiggle-gif-18708544

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-gif-25837101

[bold quiver]

now gonna try to farm the normal mode for the afk gains obols.

[sick sentinel]

How many you have rn?

[bold quiver]

0 '.'

[sick sentinel]

Bruh rly? Thats crazy

[bold quiver]

i've only killed the boss for the achievement + 6 times on nightmare

[sick sentinel]

I got 2 to frop in like 10 chaotic runs

[bold quiver]

so only 6 times with droprate

[sick sentinel]

Ahh

[bold quiver]

but i saved a bunch of keys , goona use it

[sick sentinel]

Ye i'll probably farm tomorrow morning after key farming

Need cape

[bold quiver]

yeah u got this

[lavish cloak]

Im worried. I have 12x dr and oneshot tremor wurms on dk, but im only getting 30 keys an hour

[bold quiver]

why worried, that seems good

[sick sentinel]

I was getting about 44 eith my dk at 13.75

[lavish cloak]

Thought it should be closer to 70 an hour

[bold quiver]

O.O

[lavish cloak]

If thats expected then i guess ill calm down

[gaunt island]

70 sounds insane yh

[bold quiver]

25k drop rate, hard drop

[sick sentinel]

I havent counted ES yet

[formal swift]

70 is probably best sample of good rng also need higher crystal chance to get 800 orbs consistently

[sick sentinel]

But my bubo was like 28/hr

[lavish cloak]

Sounds good. Ill be happy with the slower buildup. Not like i wont need 10k keys to get 10 capes, 13 obols, and 10 necks anyway.

[bold quiver]

more like 10k keys 1 cape

[formal swift]

I haven’t timed it cause it seems very rng but I get around 40-60 keys an hour on divine knight

[lavish cloak]

Im just happy keys drop off tremor wurms, w4 key farms were useless for other aspects. My dk is catching up to my bubo in class levels now

[bold quiver]

Indeed, and 1/25k rate, very decent

all my classes caught up on lvl, they are 'stuck" on afk gains at 380 range

[barren otter]

farming neck/obol off of kattle is rough man

1500+ keys in got nothing

[bold quiver]

on normal?

[barren otter]

half on nm half on chaotic

12x dr

[bold quiver]

damn harsh

[barren otter]

did a few nightmare kills for card

didnt get that either

[lavish cloak]

Expected. This content needs to keep us occupied until next update.

[bold quiver]

i did a few chaotic runs yesterday for cards, pretty rough

[lavish cloak]

Cant earn too much too fast

[barren otter]

yea not expecting it to get it 1st week

but definitely rough for sure

[bold quiver]

its a good thing tho, i enjoyed the nightmare difficulty

[heavy moth]

im wasting all my luck on obols all + 3 on my SB and BB

[barren otter]

damn... wish that was me

[lavish cloak]

Wont be long until we are all complaining we are getting the wrong drops instead of no drops

[heavy moth]

yea its only a pain when it persist that way XD still no troll wings

[lavish cloak]

Troll is such an annoying boss. Almost like its a troll or something

[gaunt island]

where cape

[heavy moth]

ahaha yea by chance lava added we can 1 tap him before his miinigame

[zealous niche]

Anybody up to gently bullying me?

https://spark.idleonefficiency.com/

I’ve been greenstacking and nearly done all the main mob drops w1-4, not sure what’s best for time efficiency next in trying to increase damage. Options are resource gathering for stamps, alchemy, or doing w1 eclipse skulls

[bold quiver]

so fight is 1,5sec faster than chizoar while waiting for autoloot

decent

[heavy moth]

push stamps multitool at least

[lavish cloak]

Stamps are coming along nicely, start targeting what you can afford easily to get to 10k total levels.

Alchemy needs Larrrryyyyyy to level 500 to guarantee every upgrade is 2 levels instead of one.

Refinery is balanced, construction is mostly time. Work on 100m deathnote kills in w1 then everywhere, solely on blood berserker if you can, then work on 1 bil kills in w1.

Cooking meals need to all be level 30 next, so pump where you can.

Nobody in the lab? Are you on arctis all around? Good for leveling, bad for 3d printing.

[zealous niche]

6 on Arctis, 1 Purr, 2 omni, 1 insect

[heavy moth]

try to push some DN too

[shrewd nexus]

get your atoms flowing, your samples are enough to get started but kinda small. atom first 3 bubbles on warrior and mage for better samples (among other bubbles those three are just pretty easy)

[heavy moth]

gmush to 1bil at least for CASH for stamps

[sharp wind]

does dk refinery speed only works when hes online?

[zealous niche]

Hm, so w1 DN/eclipse, while atoming Larry to 100%, then first few bubbles in orange and purple?

[shrewd nexus]

larry to 100 seems a weird initial goal

[zealous niche]

Doesn’t that then help the other bubbles?

Or do I need the atom income from the others to get larry up?

[pulsar cliff]

Buuuuuuuuh. Neck won't drop I swear.

[lavish cloak]

It should take the highest dk talent and apply it passively. Just log in and use the active refinery skill daily

[barren otter]

i was where you are now 2 weeks ago

you wont be getting enough atoms to get larry to 500

[true obsidian]

Boost Food are Food help skill and potion only right?

[dreamy merlin]

Ye

[heavy moth]

one doesnt block the other you can easily work on atoming larry to 500 while finishing W1 DN

[sharp wind]

hmm so if i use ES for instance, the bonus still applied?

[barren otter]

itll be really slow with his current atom production to get larry to 500

[lavish cloak]

Thats the theory. Feel free to check the times on each character to verify

[lavish cloak]

#1087501872002256966 message

This is what i use to spread the love in alchemy and make initial goals after i meet larry 500 and bob 500.

[zealous niche]

That’s why I used the joining word “while”

[heavy moth]

true ahha

[zealous niche]

Ok, so buff atom production first with multi-tool stamp and first few bubbles then come back to larry while working on W1 DN

[shrewd nexus]

dont aim for 100% larry as you early atom goals, invest in bubbles that give better samples

[opaque sun]

Although exp potions are categorized “boost food”, its an exception of not being boosted by “boost food effect %” buffs

[zealous niche]

Alright, got my game plan 🙂

Thanks~ 🎉

Hopefully can crack the next rift bonus soon with this

[lavish cloak]

I can highly recommend getting a gold sample or three up there so you can hourly click purple bubble 6 for extra damage based on total mana. Single handedly tripled my damage

But getting a billion gold an hour is rough, so do what you can. I usually just click between printer go brr procs

[shrewd nexus]

its not better to atom it?

[sharp wind]

is this good enough for atom?

[sharp wind]

with doot

[lavish cloak]

Atom it if you want. I just click it instead

[shrewd nexus]

oh in that case, no

[lavish cloak]

Keep in mind my stat bubbles are all 1200+ so im out of my mind

[barren otter]

pretty sure thats 54m before harriep

[sharp wind]

yes thats the base

[barren otter]

before anything

thats good enough

[sharp wind]

alright thanks

[fathom lagoon]

8 days til I get Omni boys

Is it only purr and flutt after? Or can you unlock kattle & bagur already

[shrewd nexus]

rng it

you can unlock 10,two have no main power

[fathom lagoon]

Bett I think Omni is 6?

[shrewd nexus]

but still the buff at bottom

[fathom lagoon]

My rng is ass no way I’m rolling it

[fallen jacinth]

ughh leveling up on bb and bm alrd a pain

[fathom lagoon]

I’m up to 900 div pts an hour w 9 people altering

[fallen jacinth]

can't imagine it on vman

[fathom lagoon]

Ass I know but much better than 200 pre-doot

Oh and I got that sailing artifact that gives you % multiplier that shit is op

[shrewd nexus]

whats your class exp multiplier?

at like x10 they are okay to level

[fallen jacinth]

9x only

[shrewd nexus]

goodenough

[fallen jacinth]

maybe i'll try to gind some xp obol

[shrewd nexus]

prob not worth it, just afk them at highest zone you have

[sharp wind]

why its so long, im pretty sure when mine still rank 14 to reach 200k only its not that long

[fallen jacinth]

i active on them

[shrewd nexus]

they kinda suck as active classes

[fallen jacinth]

my lab suck so i need alot peps in there for fully connected

[sharp wind]

when mine only need to reach 200k, it only took 10 days

now its not even 200k but take 19 days to finish?

[barren otter]

you said you have doot right?

[fallen jacinth]

mine kinda okay

i don't have doot sadtus

[sharp wind]

yeah

[barren otter]

IE doesnt track doot

so it wont reflect those bonuses

[sharp wind]

eh but why it took so long tho?

[shrewd nexus]

i guess you can use bear to get ppl out of lab

[barren otter]

check your lab bonuses

[sharp wind]

im sure i dont need 19 days when mine still rank 14

[fallen jacinth]

checked lab ?

[sharp wind]

everything activated

[fallen jacinth]

then idk lmao

[dreamy merlin]

How fast is each cycle?

[fallen jacinth]

trying to get all my chars to lv 300

idk if it worth it

saw other late game player still at around 400+

[crisp silo]

You could try upgrading the ref speed stamp

[fallen jacinth]

is there any meal for ref speed

[shrewd nexus]

probably not, i normally jsut do other stuff for a bit then level when its super easy. last time i bothered to level my vman he got 100 levels in a day

[fallen jacinth]

i did lv my bubo from 150 to 300 in a day

[crisp silo]

https://idleoninsight.com/?search=Refinery

[fallen jacinth]

trying to do that with sb now

[sharp wind]

is it maybe because IE cant track of doot bonus, that it dont see my character linked with artics with doot?

[shrewd nexus]

nice. although bubo is the easiet class to level, so dont expect the others to be that pace

[crisp silo]

Use toolbox if u got doot, i think it tracks

[fallen jacinth]

yeah maybe i'll try to lvling my other es and dk up

my orb count is like 5k or smth

need to work on him

[shrewd nexus]

es and dk are much more useful classes to have leveled

[sharp wind]

just checked it yeah, 6 days

[shrewd nexus]

high level bb = low level bb, when both are just cooking chicken

[fallen jacinth]

well maybe bb and bm could stay home

how about vman

[shrewd nexus]

not much point to his level as his tab 4 points come from speedrun

as long as you have enough tab 3 points

[fallen jacinth]

i haven't do any skilling for him yet execpt mining

maybe i need some stat for them ?

[sick sentinel]

aw yee

[opaque sun]

for the trophy i assume

[shrewd nexus]

ideally vman should have highest skill levels of anyone, so that his eff buff works

[sick sentinel]

yep now i just need a stupid necklace

is the play spam normal?

[fallen jacinth]

yeah only mining for now

[shrewd nexus]

he could use a little work

[opaque sun]

If you only care for pendant, yeah spam the lowest difficulty for key efficiency

[shrewd nexus]

his dmg scales with lowest skill

[opaque sun]

But may also want to nm farm on other char for their trophy

[fallen jacinth]

his left/right hand doesn't work with cooking right ?

[shrewd nexus]

w1-3

[fallen jacinth]

so i still have to let him cook for that dmg scale

[shrewd nexus]

no, only w1-3 matter to vman

[opaque sun]

cook level is mostly done with balloons

[fallen jacinth]

oh

ngl i forgot that i have ballon and pearl lmao

maybe i'll use them later

[shrewd nexus]

so catching is currently your lowest

[fallen jacinth]

yeah i haven't work on it yet

hes still mining rn

[crisp silo]

Candy the vman

[hot bison]

!subclass

[strong socket]

dont rly have to candy skills

[hot bison]

What’s the people u want

Like how many sige and bm?

[shrewd nexus]

10 vman

[hot bison]

God like

[crisp silo]

2sb

1bm

[dreamy merlin]

2 es 2 dk 2 bb or sb 10 beginner

[crisp silo]

Or 1 doot

[fallen jacinth]

btw isn't 2 bb would be better

[shrewd nexus]

1 of everything gives you 7, last 3 duplicates are dealers choice, extra es, bk and sb are popular choices, butas long as you got one of each your okish

[crisp silo]

Doot very op class

[crisp silo]

What no

[shrewd nexus]

second bb is possible

[dreamy merlin]

2 bb instead of sb isn't bad

Both equal tbh

[crisp silo]

Means u gotta do all chows/zows on that bb

[fallen jacinth]

idk like 2 cooking guys for ladle maybe

[zealous niche]

It gets glitchy with zow and chow though doesn’t it?

[dreamy merlin]

Just super btw and that doesn't matter much

[crisp silo]

Lqdlea got weaker cause of vman

[crisp silo]

True

But sb have better active potential

[shrewd nexus]

persoanlly i wouldnt go 2 bb, but if i see an account with 2, i dont automatically think they screwed

[dreamy merlin]

How does vman weaken ladles?

[lavish cloak]

Do we have a current plan for if 11th or 12th character slots open up?

[dreamy merlin]

Can't have 2 active anyway

[fallen jacinth]

there like 6 more elite classes in the future

[shrewd nexus]

12 vman

[fallen jacinth]

so yeah

just wait

[crisp silo]

The 1B% cook speed

[lavish cloak]

Obviously we cant predict what will be the next es. Just thinking about current conditions

[shrewd nexus]

ladles and speed are two diffrent things

[lavish cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/move-marketmove-mm-trending-print-gif-25238306

[fallen jacinth]

isn't more spd = better ladle

it's 1 hour of cooking

[dreamy merlin]

2 ladles with 1b speed>1 ladle with 1b speed still

[crisp silo]

Lemme rephrase, ladles still useful, not rly nerfed, but but u could superchow first. Forgive me if im not makin sense i am slightly high

Ladles good

Also because of vman cooking gets completed (whole skill) much faster, so why not do some gmush

Isnt sb much better for gmush?

[dreamy merlin]

Idk if thats still true

I doubt it is

Not sure tho

[bold quiver]

yes

[shrewd nexus]

lvl 30 plates are pretty fast, but with sailing max lvl goes to 60, which can take a while

[dreamy merlin]

Sb still has highest kph?

[bold quiver]

Its something like this:
U dont want 4 of the same class, and beastmaster sucks, so thats why u pick SB

[bold quiver]

ES

SB never had the highest KPH

[opaque sun]

SB offers the most value out of killing

But pure kill count, its ES

[dreamy merlin]

True

[shrewd nexus]

SB also offers the value of not being BM

[dreamy merlin]

Ofc,I'm just saying 2 bb or 2 sb doesn't change to much

[crisp silo]

I see

[bold quiver]

it changes 2 BB sucks

[dreamy merlin]

Both have their benefits

[bold quiver]

2 bb doesnt have any benefit unfortunately

Because late game u are not capped at cooking by laddles, but by speed

[opaque sun]

when new elites cones out, the meta classes to dupe will probably switch again

[shrewd nexus]

as long as you got one of each, i wouldnt say its that major what your last 3 are, sure. unless your last 3 are all BM

[undone steeple]

how the f am i gnna get 10m krakens

[dreamy merlin]

10 ladles with 1b speed=1 ladle with 10b speed soooo

[undone steeple]

might need 6x prints 😦

[opaque sun]

how can you not?

[bold quiver]

no, thats now how it works

[dreamy merlin]

How

[bold quiver]

Because late game u are not capped by laddles, u are capped by speed

[opaque sun]

just get better samples as its even possible to 1b krakens

[bold quiver]

U can have 50K laddles, once u cap your levels to your speed it doesnt matter, 1 lvl will cost more than 5k laddles

[solid python]

where meteor event?

popup went away

[undone steeple]

my goldfish sample is at like 200k lol

[solid python]

wont come back

[bold quiver]

U need to boost speed through diamond chef / kitchen levels / atom collider and then do a new cooking cycle

[opaque sun]

Gem shop or player swap to show the pop up again

[undone steeple]

just go to the map

[dreamy merlin]

More ladle=less speed needed tho

[solid python]

yeah im asking what map its in i dont know

[dreamy merlin]

10x1=1x10

[crisp silo]

Yea i dont think its possible o7

[chrome tiger]

log out and back in

[bold quiver]

What you are saying is correct on the paper, but thats not how the game works

[undone steeple]

i'll sure as shit try

[opaque sun]

If going to player screen doesnt show pop up, its already ended

[solid python]

oh it didnt fix it the first time

ill try it again

[undone steeple]

prob gonna sample both maestro + zerker and leave em both at 6x prints

[solid python]

ok it worked this time weird

[dreamy merlin]

How does it work?

[bold quiver]

Mathematicaly u are acorrect, but the way cooking works u are incorrect

[solid python]

ty

[dreamy merlin]

I suck so idk I'm just using life logic idk much abt how it works

[bold quiver]

i told u, cooking is made in cycles. U save 20k-30k laddles, spend all and then 1 dish will be costing 500 laddles/1k laddes per lvl

[opaque sun]

More speed makes each ladle worth more

[bold quiver]

so u stop leveling and wait until u get more speed, which takes weeks to do so

[undone steeple]

you're not wrong, brave is just explaining it the worst way possible

basically ladles are worth less with each level

[bold quiver]

Afteru get more speed 1 level will now cost 10 laddles, so u repeat

Thats why 2 blood bersekers is uselss, because u are not capped by how many laddles u have, u are capped by speed

[dreamy merlin]

So basically your saying 1k speed with 1 ladles> 1 speed with 1k ladles

[bold quiver]

1 bb produce enough laddles

[dreamy merlin]

I dont understand how that makes sense at all but alr

[bold quiver]

Dear lord, just pay attention dude

[opaque sun]

Its easy to boost cook speed, but its harder to boost ladle making speed

[undone steeple]

this one right here

thats the explanation

[bold quiver]

I saved 20k laddles in a week.
1 level in my dish cost 5 laddles for the fastest.
I spent 20k laddles leveling everythin
Now 1 level cost 700 laddles

I wait now 1 month until u build more speed,
Now 1 level cost 5 laddles again,
So i repeat and spend another 20k

[strong socket]

(dies from math)

[bold quiver]

thats why 2 barbarian is uselesss, u are not capped by laddles, u are capped by speed

[dreamy merlin]

Thanks

[dreamy merlin]

Alr

[crisp silo]

Each meal with each lvl requuires more meal

[opaque sun]

getting to a point to boost ladle making speed of 1200 a day to 2500 a day took months, but boosting cook speed by few 10 digits only took few days

[dreamy merlin]

I alr made the mistake bc my dumbass made 4 warriors in w2 bc i was dumb but whatever

[bold quiver]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/991866594470936578/1029825781779677194/tumblr_inline_nj7nvdEudn1sqodxg.gif

forever behind account, pain

[crisp silo]

Come buy the subclass token and join us in 2sb 1bm land

[bold quiver]

indeed, u would be utterly dumb if u got the elite class on all 4

or just for the meme and whatever acc progression

its funnier to say u have 4 warrior later than to progress i guess, for some ppl

[dreamy merlin]

You want me to have 3 dks?!

[shrewd nexus]

4 bm or your not even trying

[serene forum]

3dks better than 2bb

[dreamy merlin]

12 beginners better

[crisp silo]

Screw it 5 squires, not dk just squires

[rapid aurora]

Anyone know if the TranQi stance is boosted by the Es Talent Shared beliefs? (Tranqi = +3xp per hr not connected)

[modest warren]

to be fair some people would argue that 4 warriors is good because cooking

[dreamy merlin]

Brave just proved that 2bb don't matter for cooking

[molten scarab]

Im at 4.99E873546x858tf with noone on ladels

[modest warren]

more ladles

[shrewd nexus]

2sb 2dk . only real question is on 2bc/es since doot nerfs es

dootless accounts should do 2es i guess

[molten scarab]

ES for vial maxing

[lavish cloak]

Maybe itll be like chips and you can gain double benefit from gods with es links

[molten scarab]

But yeah this talent gonna be kinda useless once I work out how to purchase doot ?

[shrewd nexus]

they only farm good active though? unless im missing your point

[lavish cloak]

Doot lets you not care about a huge planning mechanic several parts of the game were engineered to force you to optimize

[molten scarab]

basically all I use mine for , although the MK he nearly afk farms as fast as my SB

[lavish cloak]

All i wanted was passive arctis and lava said "let em have everything everywhere all at once"

[dreamy merlin]

Es still better 2 bubo useless

[lavish cloak]

"Except you, no doot 4 u"