lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[untold saffron]

thats true actually, there will be so much of a gap between start of W5 and start of W6

[molten scarab]

Someone please explain to me - Sheepoer , all big bubbles count as equipped.
Do I never need to change or think of big bubbles on any character, ever again now ?

[sacred verge]

i dont think it will be nerfed more like w6 brings alot more power making w5 easier

[deep lodge]

Bag A 💀

[untold saffron]

I don't think the portals need changing tbh

[dapper prism]

Nope, never have to think of them again since nothing doubles those bubbles. (in comparison to infinite starsigns vs lab chips that can double active ones)

[molten scarab]

idk if I am greatful or sad

[dapper prism]

Same, w6 portal going to be 1b xD

[molten scarab]

I think greatful. okay thanks

[sacred verge]

reducing portals will probably happen at some point as it takes quite a bit of time to push 10 chars tru them for new player

[untold saffron]

thats the point though innit?

[deep lodge]

The problem is just for BB/BM

[true obsidian]

yes, this happen with w4, portal need less kill, mob get lower hp(but i think from now it not gonna change because we have tons of dmg now) and the best thing is now you can use candy

[untold saffron]

you want it to take a long time, so they have time to build up on systems/divinity/sailing

[candid helm]

yea i guess being able to use candies will help

[sacred verge]

BM is holding back my progress for boss task.. lol

[molten scarab]

Sorry just while I am here, also - infinite star signs, not bugged or anything , zero bonus from using the first 41 star signs ever. doesnt give double double ?

[true obsidian]

yeah, try BM at 3rd char and Vman at 4th char...

[deep lodge]

My BB is stuck in rift for 6 more days for mega chow, then I send him to W5 boss (he's probably not even at molti...)

[sacred verge]

also most likely w6 will bring powers which allows for more MK and easier portals

[dapper prism]

Sorry don't understand your question tbh

[untold saffron]

equipped star signs are doubled with the chip

[sacred verge]

lol

[deep lodge]

Your Vman should be at wurms for free no?

[molten scarab]

Right. got ya

thanks

[ancient quail]

Can anyone help me out? I was saving up 4k gold from sailing to buy something, but I can't remember what it was. It was exactly 4k gold

[sacred verge]

i think that was a bug with vman and got fixed

[true obsidian]

yes, but i need hampter more

[candid helm]

a quest for a stamp i believe

[ancient quail]

Lifesaver

[deep lodge]

My ES spent 1-2 weeks there active for all mat bags. Now need to go back for weapons...

[dapper prism]

in the same situation

[true obsidian]

uhm...

[dapper prism]

I can afford like 4 or 5 weapons, idk if im bothered to do the last few weapons

es at wurms now

[deep lodge]

In due time, yes. I just want 1 per class

[untold saffron]

I've even put opals on every character because I hate swapping gear around

[dapper prism]

opals?

[untold saffron]

the dungeon ring

[deep lodge]

Emperor's opal

[dapper prism]

oh emps is what i call em xD

I want to do the same with the skilling neck too

[untold saffron]

the new skilling neck is better

[dapper prism]

true

forgot about that

havnt touched kattle much (2 normal kills) xD

[strong nova]

afk better than efficiency ?

[deep lodge]

Just need to think about going to dungeon once a week (I always forget, and when I think about it the party experience is horrible)

[untold saffron]

the party system is an absolute disaster yeah

discord helps, but you should just be able to click the door and be thrown in with 9 people

[sacred verge]

is it worth going for doot now? with the current system?

[untold saffron]

thats very much a you question

[deep lodge]

It will cost you max 500$

[dapper prism]

Depends if you have the 400-500 bucks to spare

[untold saffron]

i hear you can get a minty base charizard for 500 though, so keep that in mind

[sacred verge]

have and have.. lol, i could if i wanto but its insanely expensive for a game in my opinion

[deep lodge]

Doot or a PS5?

[dapper prism]

if the question involved "or" then probably not. but if you can write "and" then it's fine?

[untold saffron]

steam sales on too, just buy the entire worthwhile store

[sacred verge]

the fact that any item in a game can have a pricetag like that is mindblowing to me

[deep lodge]

And never play the games

[untold saffron]

thats the big brain play

[dapper prism]

Maybe you're lucky and get it earlier. or maybe not xD

[sacred verge]

yeah

[jolly quest]

i created a new char but my characters in divinity are not active in new characters lab frame. do i need to complete a quest?

[sacred verge]

thats a big maybe sadly

allrdy rolled 42 times

[dapper prism]

off to bed, good night all and gl on gains!

[untold saffron]

I'm just glad sheepie was an uncommon and not slug tier

[vocal warren]

How do I beat nm kattle on vman? Is there a strategy?

[untold saffron]

tried punching him?

[sacred verge]

i just feel like the game isnt worth continuing if i wont have doot at some point

[vocal warren]

Why didn't I think of that

[untold saffron]

i mean there isn't much competition as such, you're only speeding up your own progress

[sacred verge]

yeah but the benefits are massive. would really enjoy them.

[untold saffron]

absolutely, but its not worth the cost to me

[sacred verge]

its more like the tought of being at a disadvantage just cus one dosent pay up.

[untold saffron]

who knows, divinity could be less useful in W6 or something similar could be added

[crystal ginkgo]

What's the refresh time for a free Companion?

[sacred verge]

im hoping it gets more affordable or other sources will be added. but i also think we are looking far into the future for that

if doots get "easy" to obtain too fast ppl who payed up will be mad

so i dont think it will happen

[untold saffron]

a week, from when you roll not from your daily reset. So if you're late its longer than a week

[jolly quest]

i think in future lava can do events like a pull every day.

[crystal ginkgo]

eesh. So in theory, 200 weeks for Doot if the 0.28(?) don't go your way

[untold saffron]

the .28 does go up to .85 eventually but yes

200 rolls max

[sacred verge]

also for me the issue mainly isnt that i cant pay up or afford the money eventho its halla expensive. its more that i dont believe in supporting those kind of systems

[untold saffron]

The majority of people could probably fund it, some more easily than others, its just few find the benefit worthwhile

[wheat crown]

The pity doesn't apply to free rolls though I thought? Wasn't it only paying rolls and so in theory as f2p you might never get it

[sacred verge]

in my opinion paying up shows that it is an acceptable way of bussiness

[deep lodge]

Just the last roll I think must be paid

[sacred verge]

and i dont believe it is

[untold saffron]

yeah the final roll must be paid so the pet is tradable

[sharp wind]

When ios going to be updated?

[crystal ginkgo]

"because fair balance and ability to experience all content" interesting choice of words there.

[sacred verge]

for f2p rolling its 4 years of rolling every week tho, aint gonna happen lol

[deep lodge]

Don't forget pet rotation

[untold saffron]

i hate doot and the system, if it was a daily roll instead of weekly I'd find it acceptable

[sacred verge]

exactly

im also afraid we have more coming. thats why im soo confliced as to pay for more rolls or not

[shell dune]

I love fomo gacha

[crystal ginkgo]

It just falls in to the classic "but you can get it for free" and overlooks the insane time it might take you as justification

[wheat crown]

Should've been 10 week rotation, daily rolls and 60 (?) roll pity

So you can miss some days

[deep lodge]

That 100% intentional, he had 2 weeks to think about that.

[sacred verge]

60 for pity i would pay up probably

[untold saffron]

honestly at 60 most people would cave in

[wheat crown]

imo pets simply didn't need bonuses associated with them

[untold saffron]

but theres the salty day 1 whales to think about

[sacred verge]

even at 60 it would be expensive

[deep lodge]

Also the roll pity system makes it so that the increasing roll price is even more outrageous

[crystal ginkgo]

The mad thing is, you put it at a more reasonable level, you will 100% get more buy ins then you do currently.

[untold saffron]

I wanted each pet to give its card bonus again, duplicate rolls on a pet upgrades the card tier

that would of been cool

[sacred verge]

even losing out on some money is worth it to keep a happy community and have ppl love the game rather than spreading negativity

[crystal ginkgo]

good faith goes a long long way for these things

[sacred verge]

i agree

[shell dune]

[wheat crown]

The bonuses as they are are just too broken for when they can be obtained, making the associated mobs card passive would've been a really cool idea actually

And remove the 40 pet limit so you can collect them all eventually

[crystal ginkgo]

I recycled my duplicates for more rolls lol

[sacred verge]

i went for literally playing everyday, active 24/7 to now afk for over a week and just checking in mainly for sailing artifacts i miss hoping for better days

[shell dune]

Reached true endgame

Good for you

[crystal ginkgo]

And who's to say that the next wave of companions doesn't bring another Doot level companion..

[untold saffron]

it has to

[jolly quest]

as an indie game dev myself (and i'm ruthless. i do blockchain games that literally eats your money for every action), I think sweet spot for this system would be doing it fixed price at 250 per pull, and pity at 40. and adjust green gem prices to target 50-75$ on average. then he could earn much more than current status and no hate. most AAA games can be bought for way less than 50$ nowadays (especially in big sales)

[deep lodge]

You doing things like crypto kitties?

[crystal ginkgo]

Make a Blue Gem to Green Gem conversion of some form and it would take a lot of sting out of it

[shell dune]

yeah it will break

[deep lodge]

He won't, the blue gems are not "secured"

[jolly quest]

kind of. but not exactly. i'm working on an on-chain RTS city building & pvp game kind of works like an idle game.

[shell dune]

Green gems are server sided

[untold saffron]

people have already duped the doot pet itself haven't they?

[crystal ginkgo]

So if someones hacked the game they are just giving themselves blues?

[edgy osprey]

How much damage do I realistically need for Rift 44?

[warm beacon]

They can change basically any value, it’s not very hard either

[deep lodge]

I love it when I type an essay and it triggers a word filter and gets insta-deleted

h4ck

yeah that's the word

[warm beacon]

Heck

[edgy osprey]

I also like to heck games in my spare time

[deep lodge]

blue gems can be hecked

[edgy osprey]

Unfortunately that's not worth the effort

[sacred verge]

totally agree

[warm beacon]

Obtain through out of the box means

[deep lodge]

if you make a blue gem to green gem converter, people can basically heck green gems. When trading is introduced, heckers will flood trading with free doots. No more pet money for lava, boohoo sad

[untold saffron]

Don't think there will ever actually be trading

[deep lodge]

He'd lie to us on what he plans to do in the future? Lava? No way!

[sacred verge]

i feel like trading wont be big if it even comes

[edgy osprey]

Alternative Ressource aquiring methods

[shell dune]

That's what I thought 2 years ago

Look where we at

[untold saffron]

wheres my player housing that was on the roadmap?

[deep lodge]

Lab

[edgy osprey]

frantically deleting steam descriptions

[warm beacon]

Running a blue gems deficit (it’s good for the economy and totally not just to fund to blobulyte-martin)

[sacred verge]

how many ppl here actually have doot ?

[jolly quest]

actually another way to solve scarcity of green gem is adding a server-side secured daily login reward that rolls a dice and rewards you couple green gems. so maybe each week you can get almost an 2-3 extra free pull. that would speed the things up, at least to complete basic pets... and it will create another way to attract players to engage every day --- maybe a special daily quest to roll?

[edgy osprey]

Ressource acquisition permanent enhancement, also known as ra-

[deep lodge]

That's be great. But I don't believe lava wants to make companions more affordable, he wants you to cash in

[spice void]

free pull ticket from mini boss that spawn 1 in 3 day like the w4 and w3 mini's

[sacred verge]

when i started idleon i honestly never expected it to go this way

[deep lodge]

That's heckable so no

[edgy osprey]

When did you start?

[spice void]

but if they are free they are untradable so it wont matter

[deep lodge]

Same. I saw my review on the play store from early november 22. 5 stars. No more

[sacred verge]

i started almost 3 years ago, but i had a big break

[jolly quest]

that would work too actually. let it start with very low rewards and as your account lvl / total quest completed / world increases, you get more reasonable amounts of pulls every week.

[deep lodge]

If untradeable doot is easy to obtain, you won't consider paying for the tradable one

[lyric sequoia]

You know that they can already flood doots without that system, right? They can just add pets to their account

[warm beacon]

Those get reset when you relog sadly

[sacred verge]

i would be fine with a whale option for fresh accounts dooting in w1, and a fairly cheap or free obtainable doot for endgamers

[spice void]

but that is the point the whole trade pets thing still isnt there right? so everything is personal anyway

[deep lodge]

I saw they could add the bonus, but not the real pet. Maybe i'm not looking in the right places tho lol

[lyric sequoia]

You missed the gif of someone with 40 doots in their storage and the doots walking around in the zone then

[warm beacon]

[deep lodge]

I saw it actually lol. But probably only visual, and got reset at map reload

[warm beacon]

Rip essay lol

[deep lodge]

Haha h3ck

[jolly quest]

and to fix the h4cker stuff, a guard function can be implemented to backend maybe? when it cloud saves the game, validate game state and calculate everything on backend again with the same logic as client, if everything is right then save it. tolerate 1-2% of progression difference to prevent errors caused by desyncs / time issues.

[deep lodge]

Cloud functions are not free yo! You'll need to pay green gems for that

Rip essay again?

[warm beacon]

Bruh this auto filter kinda cringe

Nah simple sentence

[jolly quest]

ctrl+z brings back the msg btw

[warm beacon]

Just if solving hecking was that simple it wouldn’t be done that much

[lyric sequoia]

He literally could have just done what he did with green gems, but with blue gems and run an SQL script to backdate blue gems into the system, but he didn’t

[warm beacon]

Yeah but then he’d also need to do it for every boss drop, mini boss drop, colosseum etc

[deep lodge]

Level ups too. And maestro talent, which has a chance to reset

[edgy osprey]

You gotta love how everyone is still shitting on this system

[lyric sequoia]

Who actually gives a shit about the minority of heckers that might gain from that, they factually don’t hurt other players

[warm beacon]

No real surprise there

[jolly quest]

its not about system.

[edgy osprey]

Nope. That's why I love it

[lyric sequoia]

It’s all the same system. Do it once, shared everywhere

[edgy osprey]

The gacha system? I thought it was

[sacred verge]

you need to be insane to even think this system is okay

[jolly quest]

no. the server / client / backend communication and possible explo!ts

[deep lodge]

A month ago, if he'd publish a pack worth 20$ with nothing in it and it simply said "I'm lacking funds for the game" i'd have bought it. Now he can go h3ck himself

[jolly quest]

and how to prevent them.

[edgy osprey]

I was still in the time zone 15 minutes ago

It be like that

[sacred verge]

probably the same for me, just some honesty and keep it real. id rather support that

[edgy osprey]

Okay, so if I get this right, heck is "CE-using" and h3ck is frick

[deep lodge]

What is frick then?

[edgy osprey]

Frick is when the fricking is very serious

[worldly hollow]

i remember saying fuck for the first time too

[edgy osprey]

But then the questions what fuck is for

[worldly hollow]

yes

[sacred verge]

in your guys honest opinions, do you believe doot will become more obtainable tho?

[deep lodge]

No

[sacred verge]

do you believe the upcoming content wil add some other sources ?

[edgy osprey]

From all the times I've seen gacha systems being implemented anywhere, after the fashion in which this was done.... What the fuck would I be dreaming about at night if I believed that?

[sacred verge]

lol true

[wheat crown]

I would've expected doots effect from something in world 7 honestly but now that it's here doubt it's coming from anywhere else

[twin aurora]

same W6 or 7

[sacred verge]

i cant say i believe it will become better myself, just curious as to what you guys believe. i havent been around much since release of pets

[worldly hollow]

companions

[twin aurora]

i'm just afraid how powerful some of the rotation "2" pets/companions are

[sacred verge]

yeah, likely not going down in power

[worldly hollow]

the bar was set high with doot

[sacred verge]

i hope to god doot and slug just stays there unchanged. like they are top pets in every rotation and the less rare pets can rotate

[worldly hollow]

and the others as well dont get me wrong

i dont have the ram which is a nice buff

[wheat crown]

I am always going to find it crazy you can get a power to basically trivialize an entire skill from world 5 within 10 mins of starting the game for the first time

[sacred verge]

i agree

[worldly hollow]

thats the thing tho. its kind of useless until you get there tho

[deep lodge]

And like, what happens to the pity system with the rotations? Does it get reset? Transferred to the new pet? What if it's shit all of a sudden

[sacred verge]

also guys, what happens if you roll with 40 pets in storage?

[wheat crown]

Idk if it's still the case or even true but apparently at one point getting doot just gave you all the buffs even if you didn't own the gods

[edgy osprey]

Lava could've just as well deleted divinity at that point

[crisp silo]

unfortunately/luckily it dont activate till div lvl3

[sacred verge]

for what ive heard it was the case at the start. not sure if it still like that

[worthy shoal]

lvl 1 I think

[crisp silo]

it was activated at the start

[worthy shoal]

It is still the case

[crisp silo]

does not give minor bonuses

which is like another 30% afk gains rate

[sacred verge]

whats even the point in unlocking gods then. just for uppgrading them...?

[wheat crown]

Just kinda the whole point of divinity is changing gods around to specialize in their thing. Gave the ES a really good skill of double link. You can remove that whole part of the game immediately with getting good rng

[crisp silo]

sailing bonuses go hard, thers some dmg and eff ones as well

[sacred verge]

true

[deep lodge]

Don't forget 10 omni that speedup sailing and gaming by like 3-4x

And salts not ever being a problem anymore

[sacred verge]

10 omni is insane for prints and refinery aswell

[crisp silo]

sailing kinda gets capped after a bit

[sacred verge]

also the perma 6x prints

[crisp silo]

so its a loss if it doesnt roll prints

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/98fcf328103a0b993f23b780f4160703.png

I'm fast as fuck boy

[edgy osprey]

Anyone know how much damage I need for Rift 44?

[worthy shoal]

At least div points are not earned this way

[worthy shoal]

Best would be 33 33 for a purple one and best green 40 40

[edgy osprey]

I don't think so

[deep lodge]

I looked at the wrong rift lol

[worldly hollow]

that makes my es look so small lol

[edgy osprey]

Didn't build him for months, yet he still works

[deep lodge]

Seems like you can do rift 47 with 500-600b ES/Bubo (healing boss monster), so you should be pretty close I'd say?

[edgy osprey]

Got a score of 47, so I'd hope so

You do get the bonus at 46, right?

[worldly hollow]

hes getting there lol

[edgy osprey]

I'm still waiting for some salt and then I'mma gamble on new stones

[deep lodge]

I think you get it once you beat 45

[edgy osprey]

Yeah, that's what I meant👍 thank God this is over soon

[lyric sequoia]

I did rift 44 with 100b damage, should be easy

Do it on the tiny platform and you’ll breeze through it

[edgy osprey]

What the fuck am I doing wrong? What was your setup?

[lyric sequoia]

Stand on the tiny platform and manually cast portal first so auto doesn’t move him to the other mobs

I getting 68 score with 80b so swapped to damage cards as I was in my MK setup and got it easily

[edgy osprey]

....right, there's a platform to the left, too....

Aight, it worked

[lyric sequoia]

Ya the tiny 1 the rope is at, don’t do it around the regular mobs

[edgy osprey]

Just the way Lava intended

[tough tusk]

my dmg jumped by 50000m from having the steak relic why does it give such a high bonus if its the same as the alchemy one?

[edgy osprey]

Why not?

[worldly hollow]

i forget for the lava skulls rift, you just have to hope for rng for the skulls to jump/upgrade right?

[lyric sequoia]

Steak is % stats, that is not the same as alchemy

Alchemy gives base stats

[edgy osprey]

Iirc, alch gives bonusnper 250 stat, steal per 100

[lyric sequoia]

Wait maybe I’m thinking of the wrong thing. Steak is damage per 100 stats? Either way the bonus is effectively a multiplier because it is not grouped in with many other sources of damage

[edgy osprey]

I thino

[untold saffron]

3 more skills to do until I've 245 booked all log sample skills for all mages

[edgy osprey]

Yes, steak is 100, alch 250

[edgy osprey]

Because steak gives bonus dmg per 100 stat, alch gives its bonus only per 250 stat

[tough tusk]

it might be lower but the relic isnt even ancient so its (relic) 2% per 100 and (alchemy) 41.25% per 250 from these 2 who do you think should give more dmg?

[edgy osprey]

41? How did you get that bubble this high before steak?

[warm beacon]

Well they are multiplicative so the relic works on the extra damage from the bubble

[tough tusk]

it isnt its 15 its multiply by mage is best which gives me 2.75x

[tough tusk]

it is?

[warm beacon]

Yes that is how basically the entire game acts

[edgy osprey]

Alchemy is basically additive, except for when it's not, so...

[warm beacon]

With only a few exceptions

[lyric sequoia]

The bubble is additive with a bunch of other damage sources, so the boost is far less effective than steak

[tough tusk]

well didnt know that

[lyric sequoia]

There is no rhyme or reason as to what is additive with what, from what I know. It just is because that’s where lava put it

It makes sense really, the bubble would be insanely strong if it was its own source of damage

[tough tusk]

ok just read it and thought it was strange since from numbers alone the alchemy should have given more

[modest warren]

damage groups in this game are very weird

[viral star]

should I link to my 1st divinity?

that i just unlocked

or is it not a good idea

[modest warren]

whenever you unlock a new one you can unlink without using ur weekly unlinks

[viral star]

okay ill link to it then

[warm beacon]

Link all your characters it’s just free gains

[viral star]

upgrade this or not?

[sacred verge]

what class is best for farming keys for w5 boss

[modest warren]

you dont need to right now it doesnt give that much plus you should use your bits for gaming this early

[viral star]

okay

[untold saffron]

if I have the gems and my only non-ancient artifacts are opera mask & socrates, worth doing?

[viral star]

is this worth it?

[untold saffron]

buy the hat though

[sacred nexus]

Depends on what you dont have in the gemshop. Since you are so close and you can get by playing... id say just push for those and spend gems on other things.

[untold saffron]

i feel like i've filled out most of whats essential except the last 4 cogs because they're disgustingly priced

[pulsar cliff]

Kattle being decent so far.

[sacred verge]

link the obol

[pulsar cliff]

Base is 5% afk

[sacred verge]

nice

[pulsar cliff]

Oh fuck yeah

[sacred verge]

that will be months for me, lol

[sacred verge]

nice cape aswell

how does it look on?

[pulsar cliff]

Decent! Just means I need the necklace and then I can get the trophy.

[sacred verge]

send a picture with the cape on

[sacred verge]

nice

thye look great

[jagged relic]

It'll take me years to be able to beat kattle nightmare with all my 10 characters

BB and Vman suck major ass

[edgy osprey]

2.5T compared to 1000T HP, so that x400 more, so.... Oh fuck

Good news: my bb has hope
Bad news: Vman is fucked

[hollow wasp]

This worth?

[pulsar cliff]

VMan was the hardest, BB the next. Had to get around 70b dmg to do it on VMan

[viral star]

which chizoar is the best to farm for its blankie

[jagged relic]

My vman does a solid 1.3b damage...

[edgy osprey]

Mine does... A little more, I think? Dunno, he's not built atm

[opaque sun]

Bis for afk combat as it translates to like effective 18% afk gain

[glad crow]

normal if you want too be key efficient, nm if keys isnt a problem, and you just want it asap

[viral star]

okay.. keys are a problem unfortunetly

[hollow wasp]

Buy 2 of em?

[glad crow]

how many colo tickets you got?

[viral star]

51

[opaque sun]

I would buy both, but definitely buy first as it can be doubled by chip

[hollow wasp]

Okay

[glad crow]

how many silver pens you got?

[viral star]

oh i got

15

[glad crow]

you dont like using bubo i see

[crystal ginkgo]

Where do people farm pens normally?

[viral star]

he is too weak for me at the moment

im working on him tho

thats why i want the blankie

[glad crow]

the strat i use is reroll this order until there is a ticket as reward, and then get that

its pretty easy to get 30+ tickets a day like this

[deep lodge]

How many reroll are needed on average? I've rerolled 200 times and haven't gotten a single ticket, so I gave up...

[opaque sun]

cost is easy, but clicking kind of gets tedious ngl

Usually its like 10 rolls per ticket

[viral star]

what ticket

[deep lodge]

Do I not have a high enough shipment# or sreak, or something?

[glad crow]

yes.... sometimes i aim for 50 tickets, but sometimes when luck is bad (thats around 800 rerolls for 25 tickets) then i just do less

[opaque sun]

PO6 gives colo ticket as reward

Roughly around 1/10 chance for a ticket to appear as a reward

[opaque sun]

aside from tickets, po6 is not worth the cost

[crystal ginkgo]

Best farm spot?

for pens**

[opaque sun]

bloodbones on dk

sandy pots also nice for the overall value

[deep lodge]

Did another 110 more rerolls, and still no ticket...

[glad crow]

damn you reroll fast

[deep lodge]

Can't sustain that for long ^^ a reroll every 1-2s i'd say?

[fiery burrow]

So, for sailing, IE says I should only select islands I can get to within 2 hours; is that good advice even if I don't have any islands open with artifacts I haven't found

[glad crow]

and you are sure you isnt missing them

[deep lodge]

Yeah. I mean, there's always the possibility i'm an absolute idiot, but i'm 99.9999% sure i'm not missing them

[glad crow]

thats really weird then

i dont think there is a specific amount of shipments you need

[opaque sun]

it should be around 1/10 chance for a ticket so that is weird

As long its order 6, shipment # doesn’t matter

[deep lodge]

Need to put points in first vman ability

[pulsar cliff]

Whatchu mean?

[deep lodge]

put on point in chess talent on previous tab then

[deep lodge]

Ok, I cropped a video of me rerolling for tickets. Tell me if i'm doing something stupid (video is in x2 speed)

[true obsidian]

huge drop rate upgrade xD

[untold saffron]

does CC progress count sigils?

[true obsidian]

nope

we wish

not even Doot can give us faster sigil

[worthy shoal]

It did, for 3 or 4 hours until it was fixed.

[glad crow]

okay that is very weird yes

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/308097025e53870a7c715169ef932ed9.png

So theres nothing I can do to speed this up except the gem shop purchases?

[worthy shoal]

There must be a trigger

[true obsidian]

yes

nothing

[worthy shoal]

Take your time

[deep lodge]

There's an artifact that makes sigils better (so first level of pea pod)

[untold saffron]

oh thats already eldritch

[true obsidian]

maybe next pet gonna give us sigil speed/bonus

[deep lodge]

Maybe I need more shipment number?

[opaque sun]

has the guy who using pens ever did colo? (Not like its a known issue, just theory)

[deep lodge]

Yes, many times

[glad crow]

all of them?

also on that character

[true obsidian]

what is colo?

[glad crow]

what about the different quest by the colo guys

[worthy shoal]

Here is my progression without any gem shop upgrade so it can be done:

[untold saffron]

in theory if a sigil was 30 days to upgrade, would all 10 gem upgrades make it 10 days?

[worthy shoal]

No idea

[deep lodge]

Pretty sure I did all colos, i'm on my DK. As for the quests, a few of them? could it be because of the lonely hunter one?

[glad crow]

this is mine with some purchases i think (3)

[deep lodge]

Doing first lonely hunter quest doesn't seem to help

I'll go do all colosseums once more to check

[true obsidian]

uhm....how does drop rate work? for expample, x9.00 drop rate work with 1 in 25,000(1/25,000) chance, does it make 9/25,000 chance?

[untold saffron]

anyone?

[glad crow]

idk

[true obsidian]

not at all, even some end-game player couldn't max sigil yet

[deep lodge]

Probably depends if you have pea pod or not, it's most likely additive to it (not sure tho)

[opaque sun]

basically yeah

[fiery burrow]

Any input here?

[true obsidian]

so it went from 0.00004 to 0.00036 if you have x9 drop rate...

great

[deep lodge]

Well, it's 9x better

[opaque sun]

If it took 90 days, its now 10, which is lot

just the way how you see it. Artifact chance from 0.01% to 0.03 can be see as only a mere tiny weeny +0.02%, but optimistically its also 3 times more artifact chance

[deep lodge]

Okay, so doing all colosseum didn't help either for the ticket reward at PO. I'm gonna try to finish all colo quests now on my DK

[cold jackal]

any late gamers with doot here able to answer this
about to make my 10th character, was going to make mage for 2nd ele sorc. but does doot remove the need for 2nd ele sorc?

im like 1 map away from w5 atm

[tacit tulip]

Yeah it's freedom of choice at that point

[deep lodge]

Bubo is easier to level up, but ES may be better for some rifts.

[tacit tulip]

Ele would prolly still be better overall for their unique Multikill skill

[sick sentinel]

I dont have doot but i would think 2nd es is marginally better cause of charge rate and div stuff being more relevant than lab boosts, but not as drastic as b4

[frigid acorn]

dootless guy like me has no power to comment this

[cold jackal]

ahh tough, i might just leave this 10th guy without a class for now then

[untold saffron]

what about a third squire for even more build rate

[frigid acorn]

gonna wait for w7/8 so we can get more info for this

[crisp silo]

could always buy the elite class swap token

or at least leave em on the shaman/wizard then use subclass swap

[deep lodge]

Update: Finishing all colosseum quests did not help me get tickets at cosmic carrier (100 new rerolls, 580 total). Gonna try to up the shipment number and see if that unlocks it. If anyone has an idea, please share

11 completed order in and I get one... wtf

And a second one 13 rerolls later

Ok, i'm calling it: You need at least shipment # 40 to get colosseum tickets

[solid python]

should i have my maestro perma skilling

at this point

hes below a couple of my characters in a few skills

like noticeably lower 😂

[deep lodge]

Then yes, definitely

Just take him out from time to time to replenish crystal countdown

[solid python]

maestro vs dk1

💀

i had a shortage of ores so ive had my dk perma mining when hes not in divinity lol

finally have enough void to start doing stuff with it

[weary hinge]

dont you wanna print?

[solid python]

i do print

samples arent impressive yet tho

so i was speeding up aquisition of ore by mining

until i had a decent stockpile

[fathom lagoon]

Big ooof

[weary hinge]

you do need to pump mining lvl of your maestro soon

[deep lodge]

Well, by getting your DK above your maestro, you're reducing your prints by quite a lot

[solid python]

i started with 0 void when i went in

this is where im at now

[glossy rain]

what is the god distribution goal without doot?

[fathom lagoon]

Hope it was worth the future pain

[weary hinge]

!guide

[obtuse orbit]

Here's a guide with loads of essential information about the game. Obols, Pets, Gems - all of it! Check it out!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSnlrC_6oW7P89Os4uECnEB_XOVr6TlPa-QhTC62DrtLnRkzQi1UAMnrEZassEaAQb6Cr3TEZAiSVvz/pubhtml#

[solid python]

lol i have all characters on bear

[weary hinge]

you can check there, even gods for sampling

[solid python]

except for bubo and es

since bubo is lab slave atm

and es double link

[deep lodge]

Just so you know what you're missing out on

[solid python]

yeah i know about that although mine is still only 100

[opaque sun]

pure multiplicative

[deep lodge]

Still 75%

[solid python]

yeah i just used to use maestro as my main pusher before i quit

[deep lodge]

Main pusher? What?

[solid python]

so hes like 100 class level above everyone else and didnt skill enough

[deep lodge]

But why

[fathom lagoon]

Why did lava use lobster hands for those skill pics lol

[solid python]

i couldnt get the acc i needed on other chars 😭

and he was my favorite class

[deep lodge]

Cause you're gonna spend your whole life fishing with vman

[spice void]

dont forget that the void enhancement applies it to the vman and doubles it

[solid python]

so he was kitted out while everyone else was on amarok

and he had my angel wings and stuff

[fathom lagoon]

Damn that’s funny, my maestro would be my worst pusher by far

[solid python]

and active maestro was the best active at the time

since elites werent out yet

and crystal countdown was still bugged

etc.

many reasons

mainly that he was my favorite class tho

[fathom lagoon]

Honestly just get doot and all is forgiven

[solid python]

if you count the odds of me getting this tier 3 times in a row i basically got doot already

[opaque sun]

those crab hands were just one of the purchased assets that lava just chose

[solid python]

😂

[frigid acorn]

[solid python]

lava using assets? since when

i thought he draws all his art himself

[crystal ginkgo]

My ES has my highest K/PH of all of my characters.
Even with an SB that has almost 1b more dmg than the others

[opaque sun]

the goblin shop is also an asset

[solid python]

yeah back then my maestro had higher damage than all my other classes btw

[fathom lagoon]

ES def my fav char. Just so op lol, but my ES is like 80 lvls higher than everyone else lmao

[solid python]

even before counting two punch and triple jab

even after all this active/afk and stuff ive been doing my maestro is 217 and closest after him is bb at 162

they still havent caught up

so idk how long thats gonna take

especially with all my other characters perma lab/div

i should level them soon

just for the sake of talent points if nothing else

the exact reason i wish exp converter was good

[fathom lagoon]

Yeaaa I’m way below, my ES is 160 and rest of my chars around around 80 lol

Most of my chars still in their 2nd job

[solid python]

lava should change it to low% extra skill exp as class exp or something on the real

to make it useful

[fathom lagoon]

I’m just waiting til iOS is fixed so I can start playing properly again. Just been collecting afk gains on web, don’t want to re-do all my fuckin talents to have them go start lvljng again lol

[solid python]

lol

it doesnt take too long so unless ur using this as an excuse to take a break you could get it done pretty quick

5-10 minutes probably

but breaks are nice :)

help to not get burnt out

[fathom lagoon]

Def little bit of both lol, plus I’m at my fiancées house for the week so can’t really play like I usually do. Idk, there’s something much more enjoyable about playing on my iPad vs my laptop haha

[solid python]

yeah i feel that

id like mobile versions more if the game was faster paced or was more responsive to quick inputs tho

so i dont mind playing it on pc cuz theres not a ton of mouse movement

[fathom lagoon]

Time to get the day started

Happy July 4th y’all

Enjoy yourselves

[solid python]

in fact im playing as we speak haha

im slowly catching up to an acceptable modern progression level

but ive got a long way to go and im still figuring all the new stuff out

[glad crow]

me, a non american, enjoying the typical "scandinavian summer" (lots of wind and rain)

[solid python]

my current goal

and my throttle

none of my characters have the damage to multikill them yet so

cant even candy it

[hollow wasp]

So, I'm at a point idk what I should do the best to progress right now

[narrow cloak]

you got vman?

[proper horizon]

Are characters Linked to Arctis(always active in lab) eligible for Wired In?

[narrow cloak]

what's wired in?

[hollow wasp]

Me? No I'm not that far that I can do all this deathnote stuff for him, would take forever

[proper horizon]

Double prints while in lab

[narrow cloak]

it's pretty fast, especially if you link to the 2x kpk god and have 2x kpk active in lab

[narrow cloak]

any bonus you can reach while on arctis gets activated, so yes

[ivory warren]

Is it worth to use the kattlekruk upgrade stones or should I still be using w5 store upgrade stones?

[hollow wasp]

Working on the 2kpk God atm

[pulsar cliff]

I think it really just depends on your risk tolerance.

I use them until one fails and then swap over.

[proper horizon]

Well yes but it doubles prints for uploaded characters. and the tooltip states uploaded characters, while the Arctis tooltip states active.

[hexed crescent]

Depends how many pieces you're going to make

[solid python]

so is there some kind of trick im missing to make maestro actually able to skill

like does he get effeciency from luk somehow

or is it all just exp multi carrying

[narrow cloak]

it works, i have like 6 characters on arctis and they all get double prints

[proper horizon]

Thanks!

[narrow cloak]

at least i hope they do lol, the amount text turned blue so it should be working

[solid python]

also who do you guys use to sample monster drops for salts

so i can update those

dont have sustain on a couple mats

[hollow wasp]

I use my ES. 😅

[solid python]

so salt production has come to a halt in a couple types

[proper horizon]

speedrunnning voidwalker

[hollow wasp]

But Mostly for mob drops rn I just get my es to the monster for an hour and it's enough for 2 3 days

[solid python]

what does this mean

[proper horizon]

is busted

[solid python]

is that vman

[narrow cloak]

holy shit that sounds broken

[solid python]

or a star talent

cuz i have neither

[viral snow]

Its vman

[solid python]

im working on getting him but im still like 350k bloodbone kills away

so 35 hours

[pulsar cliff]

Those are the prints my VMan is currently doing. And it is absolutely busted lol

[solid python]

insane

💀

3 worlds apart and ur still 250x

[proper horizon]

I got impatient and candied it

[solid python]

ive already candied a bunch of the kills

almost all in fact

so i dont really have much left

[tacit tulip]

His output will never be high, your goal is simply 100% efficiency to get max exp

[solid python]

i was also working on chows meanwhile

[narrow cloak]

do you know if the gmush vman quest retroactive? do the kills i got before getting the quest count?

[pulsar cliff]

I think so? Even if not, candies make quick work of it.

[solid python]

a little short

cuz i could use 3 12 hour candies and get it done right now

i was just gonna wait a couple days while i get other stuff done but vman is sounding more and more op by the minute

does vman have a significant effect on skilling as well

cuz its definitely worth if so

[proper horizon]

it does on class exp

[solid python]

i almost forgot to take off unending energy before using the candy haha

that woulda been awkward

there we go just enough

nice

[viral snow]

Vman pretty much boosts everything of the other character

[solid python]

epic

[bold quiver]

ez

[narrow cloak]

looks like you get the right hand of action bonus for yourself with vman so it's not too crazy but pretty good

[sick sentinel]

the statues boost is great for skilling

[solid python]

oh i have to kill 12m mushrooms lmao

unfortunate

[pine pond]

So situation here, I have 2 DKs ofc.

Player 1 cons level 411 367m xp/hr

Player 2 level 317 625m exp/hr

Both same star signs
cards
card sets
Prayers
The above is calculate in the same slot

(I have all companions)

Why the fuck is the lower level one twice the amount of exp?

I'm at a lost

[glad crow]

are you active on ther first one?

[fathom lagoon]

Damn thought you was a mod w that flame emoji

[pine pond]

Funny enough, the level 317 one, has no talents on right now, as I just reset it, and it's still higher then the 411 one 🙂

I'm lost asf

[sick sentinel]

the big bubble works on the afk dk

[viral snow]

Player 1 is just lazy

[glad crow]

which makes this make even less sense

[pine pond]

^

I've been confused for the past 30 minutes

I don't know what it is lol

[wraith granite]

is there a specific route people use for the void trial runs?

[pine pond]

Speed run?

[wraith granite]

yea

[pine pond]

Yes

The Optimal Run v1.1 by SolarFrost#2809
Received permission from creator to post in their stead
Note: This is just Solar's personal route, you are feel free to run anything you see more efficient

Starts Speedrun. (numbers in bracket is your portal)
Kill Green Mush (1)
Kill Frog (2)
Kill 1-2 beans for red mushroom portal too. (4)
Kill slime for a bit for sticks portal too (6)
Cast Void Radius in Stick (7)
Kill Nuttos (8)

Teleport to Snake/Boa (9)
Kill Carrots for minigame portals (11)
Kill Glublins (12)
Kill Wodeboard for Boss Portal and Gigafrogs, yes the boss door have a hidden portal. You can unlock it (14)
Kill Nightmare Amarok (17)
Teleport to sticks and cast Voidal to unlock TD portal (18)
QUICKLY while buff is on, teleport to WORLD 3 SHEEPS and start grinding up to Comb Mustache (19)
Kill Snowflakes (20)
Kill Combs (21)
TP back to World 2 Sands (22)
Kill Mimics for bandit bob portal too (24)
Kill Crabcakes (25)
Kill Mafioso (26)
Kill Sandcastle (27)
Kill Pincermin (28)

TELEPORT back to Combs Void Radius and start killing combs until Rams is open (29)

TELEPORT to POOP(30)
Kill Rats (31)

TELEPORT to Potato (32)
Kill Tyson (33)
Kill Moonmen (34)
Kill Sand Giants (35)
Kill Snelbies for Boss Door Portal (36)
Kill Nightmare Efaunt (39)

Teleport to Bloques (40)
At this point use Void Radius whenever you can.
Kill Mamooth (41)
Kill Snowman (42)
Kill Penguin (43)
Kill Thermeister (44)
Kill Cyrosnake (45)
Kill Boombox (46)

CAST Void Radius at Eye for Boss room Portal (47)
Defeat Nightmare Chiz (50)

TELEPORT to Purple Mush (51)
Kill TV (52)
Kill Donut (53)
TELEPORT to Suggma and kill them (54) or continue W4 your choice.

All portal counts are at the below link
#1109526896640807002 message

[solid python]

2* normal troll out of the w4 pack from the quest

god bless

[sharp wind]

Crazy

[wraith granite]

oh me oh my thank you

[solid python]

if only higher tier

save me all those runs

[sharp wind]

I did nightmare with dk took me half an hour ☠️

[haughty yacht]

Anyone else getting freezing issues after the latest update? I seem to always freeze overnight on my bubo

[solid python]

💀

[brisk bane]

Whats the best Attack Talent order for ES?

[vocal warren]

After getting all plants to t6, what should I do next in gaming?

[sick sentinel]

save bits for superbit upgrades, work on other multis like achievements and such

the last superbit is something like +20 atom upgrades per day

[frigid acorn]

get snail lv25

[wraith granite]

omg ive been stuck on 4k nuggets for like a month and finally got 13k

[untold saffron]

12 hours until I unlock ruby cards

[solid python]

are these worth or do i just stay on void/make chizoar

a lot of green salt for 30% class exp

[untold saffron]

slab slots

[solid python]

and looking cool

well i dont have the mats to make them just for 2 slabs

im saying for actual usage

[untold saffron]

I used them until troll armour

they're decent

[solid python]

chizoar not just better?

is what im askin basically

or does the lack of luk pose an annoyance

[pine pond]

Ppl saying it's probably bugged just like BB

[solid python]

and its less damage overall due to that

[pine pond]

[pine pond]

Forget this armor :0

I actually dropped mine recently

Right on the ground

[untold saffron]

I'd value the xp over a slight bit of damage if your mman isn't already 150

[pine pond]

Since things like this exist

[untold saffron]

hes not going to be at that stage if green salts are a worry

[solid python]

my mman is 220

[pine pond]

Ikr

[solid python]

WYSI

[viral snow]

when 10k ?

[solid python]

also holy shit

[heavy moth]

whats your other EXP multiplier coming from im at x25 with bubble level 5000

[solid python]

thats...a lot of levels

💀

you crazy

[zinc torrent]

Does anyone have a lvl 300+ seige breaker over 200m+ dmg

[solid python]

im still not even done pushing bubbles/maxing upgrades

im like 125 speed average

[daring rapids]

IS flutterbis good for Vman lvling?

[untold saffron]

I'd spend some time pushing cost and 2x

[solid python]

im not doing a lot of bubble upgrading atm

low on like every mat i need lol

im kinda sitting on the daily bubbles to carry me

while i figure out everything i need to be doing

[untold saffron]

there is definitely a lot to keep on top of ye

[solid python]

yeah especially when i have effectively not played since w3 release

so im early in w5 atm figuring a lot of stuff out

dont even have anvil 4 yet

[untold saffron]

some of the early rift bonuses are huge, I'd go for them

[glad crow]

how is your class exp multi so much higher than mine, while your gt is much lower

[solid python]

i cant even clear like any of rift yet

[glad crow]

oh.... doot

[solid python]

or maybe i just dont know how rift works idk

my bb couldnt even get the 500 kills

the first one

[viral snow]

kill stuff quick for the first one

[solid python]

i bet my es probably could

cuz of the meteors

[untold saffron]

ES is a carry for rift

[solid python]

ill try it later once i get my afks setup i guess

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/e16596b93136d65e39e23f72c0f24d2b.png

Do your portal kill challenges on this platform to save a load of effort

[vocal warren]

Kitsune on or off?

[untold saffron]

the ES portal kill ones that is

[solid python]

a little bit of a gate here unfortunately

[pine pond]

All the other bonuses

Bro??????

[daring rapids]

@vocal warrenoff unless your checking every 15-30 minutes lol

[pine pond]

Lava leaked 2 new special talents

On accident

[solid python]

"accident"

[glad crow]

they have been there for quite some time

[pine pond]

Oh have they,

[narrow cloak]

yeah frigid souls are rough i notice a lot of people are gated from tab4 because of them

[pine pond]

I didn't know

[solid python]

yeah its a little bit of a problem

[glad crow]

i think they have been there longer than we think, but only after vmans buff too cooking have we been able to get enough vip power too see them

[hollow wasp]

should i use all my silver pens to Simple shippin? or should i also use some for Down undelivery? i just unlocked it today so its super low.

[untold saffron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSnlrC_6oW7P89Os4uECnEB_XOVr6TlPa-QhTC62DrtLnRkzQi1UAMnrEZassEaAQb6Cr3TEZAiSVvz/pubhtml#

This has some tower defence advice if you haven't seen it

[vagrant mountain]

me too

[solid python]

i cant clear even with the wave 40 setup

i tried it

ive been using that sheet

my towers too low level i think

[untold saffron]

running them on hunter?

[solid python]

yeah

[narrow cloak]

does hunter really help that much? i didnt bother trying

[solid python]

its got a really long stun

and a huge knockback for bosses

[untold saffron]

it definitely helps, especially if you're borderline finishing waves

[solid python]

my issue is that i die on the wave where its the zoomos

weirdly enough

my turrets all get disabled and they cant kill them

and they are too spread out for me to immobilize them all

[lapis elm]

Which one?

Frosty?

[solid python]

yeah

[lapis elm]

Put down a kraken cosplayer earlier

It helps quite a bit

[solid python]

hes already down

doesnt stop them

they just swarm me and i cant manage to kill them

i put him down really early already

[lapis elm]

[solid python]

boulders get disabled and like 7-10 make it through

out of the 20 or so that spawn

[lapis elm]

Is it an early wave?

It's easy enough to just auto them

Early on

[solid python]

its like wave 16-17

something like that

they have too much hp to kill with my character

[lapis elm]

Could just be bad timing on your boulders

[solid python]

idk but i noticed they stay stunned majority of the wave

[lapis elm]

Usually upgraded boulders and 1-2 stormcallers is enough to take care of the early stragglers

then it's just easy

[solid python]

idk how the stun works

is it rng

[proper horizon]

I went with poisonics instead they have the range to not get stunned as long as kraken's in play

[lapis elm]

I've long transitioned but going off memory

I do remember struggling early frozen

[solid python]

ive been running the recommended wave 40 setup

and i fail with boulder B and im up to tower 7-8 usually

[lapis elm]

I think the stormcallers are probably the key to dealing with them

[solid python]

i got a lightning turret up once and it still didnt manage to clear somehow

would think it would

i wish i could keep trying it without it costing charge

just for wave push purposes

getting like 50 souls a worship suuucks

[lapis elm]

You're not forcing waves right? It's kind of a bait when you're close to recommended like that

Otherwise, I can just see it being stormcallers

[leaden shuttle]

Try follow the 80 one, it worked for me to get round 40 with less levels

[solid python]

im not

[viral snow]

when using goat god, does it not display the corect amount of divinity points im getting ?
It shows 0 on all characters for me even when theryre present at lab

[solid python]

ok i can try that

[lapis elm]

yeah either that or delay upgrading your front 2 boulders and slam early SCs

[solid python]

much like this 12m shroom farm is going to

[lapis elm]

The first boulder will get stunned first anyway

Just to get past that wave that you're struggling with, ofc

[cosmic tendon]

Shrooms u need to optimize ur setup

[lapis elm]

You'll want to hit it later for the deadlock from kraken

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/f9463666dd94c94b47af3cfde495fcec.png

at least you have this to look forward to when you get a vman

[solid python]

sheeesh

thats a lot of meal levels

[cosmic tendon]

That doesn’t help much without account progression

[solid python]

i havent even gotten to level 11 on all of em yet

in fact i dont even have all of them unlocked yet LMAO

still missing like 5-6

[untold saffron]

it snowballs fast once you start getting a plates to 11 and eventually 30 (atom upgrade)

[solid python]

dont even have atom collider yet 😭

still working on getting to void salts

and idek what that mat is yet

[cosmic tendon]

Does anyone have any advice on timing for wave 50 arena

[lapis elm]

It's an early-ish W5 mob mat

[cosmic tendon]

It’s the last mob before kill counts start to get high

[runic girder]

Tactic and tower level needed?

[lapis elm]

You got plenty of time to prog. The game snowballs fast

[solid python]

im only up to stiltmoles

[cosmic tendon]

I think it’s the next one

[lapis elm]

It's 2 more after

[solid python]

okay

[lapis elm]

Molti -> purgatory

[solid python]

oh no wonder

[cosmic tendon]

Mom to is quick if u can active

[solid python]

i was out of thermister mats

i didnt know

i figured i would be done by now lol

[untold saffron]

get familiar with those moles, you'll be spending a lot of time there

[solid python]

whys that

[lapis elm]

[cosmic tendon]

Drop

[solid python]

core rare drop

cool

[lapis elm]

Hampter

[untold saffron]

https://i.gyazo.com/307d96783731201cbef19370b720e9a8.png

[cosmic tendon]

Does anyone have advice on mono refilled timing for wave 50

[untold saffron]

and all the weapons using 100 each

[untold saffron]

mono asap, refill when mono is on 1 second

[cosmic tendon]

I’m having better luck with refiller when mono has 3 seconds but I’m still not quite hitting it

Fresh one second, or about to run out one second?

Lol

[untold saffron]

abotu to run out one second

can basically cheese all the territory fights like that

[cosmic tendon]

Ok thanks I’ll try that at reset and then immediately click spam mono again until it goes up again

True I’ll test on spice fight now

[sick sentinel]

it depends on how often you claim. if you claim every hour or 2 i would say on

[cosmic tendon]

So on while ur active if u can remember to turn it off when u won’t check in

[solid python]

guess ill be moving my wings back to mman

[cosmic tendon]

If u don’t remember to turn it off again just leave it off

[solid python]

for those sweet sweet afk gains

[viral snow]

whats the downside of having kitsune on permanently ?

[proper horizon]

at night you really don't need it

[cosmic tendon]

Less bits

[sick sentinel]

if you max out your plant tiers you get fewer bits

[viral snow]

so it stops evolving when it reaches max evolution i reached yet ?
So i cant get new ones ?

[cosmic tendon]

What else would it do when max evolve is reached

[solid python]

oh this would probably help huh

for the 12m shrooms

[heavy moth]

really its doot that make the difference ?

[solid python]

• respawn

[cosmic tendon]

Yeah rune ur setup for gmush needs a lot of optimization

[viral snow]

No i meant given I have not yet reached max evolution on any plant
for example i got only to level 3 on shrooms

[daring rapids]

Doot is stupid broken so yeah it matters

[solid python]

is there anything important in second constellation tab

[cosmic tendon]

Yeah a lot

[solid python]

that would warrant me wiki to find them

lol

[sick sentinel]

kitsune on is good for discovering plant evos

[cosmic tendon]

Itll take u 15 mins to reach the end

[solid python]

im missing quite a few

[dawn sand]

Is there a max level for DK orb that you shouldn't level past? I have mine maxed at 306 and the CD is shorter than the duration and it keeps overlapping and screwing up my orb....

[viral snow]

yeh nvm i did not read the description carefully
I get it now

[sick sentinel]

267

[solid python]

i think it was 267 but someone can confirm

[narrow cloak]

how are you way ahead of me but don't have tab 2 yet? you get 3rd active constellation in tab2

[dawn sand]

Thank you, i need to fix that, it's been driving me nuts

[solid python]

i dont think im ahead of you likely

[sick sentinel]

someone said they pyt there orb later in skill rotation and they dont get overlap, could test it out

[solid python]

my mman is just comedically high level

compared to my progression stage

💀

[cosmic tendon]

Time since started vs time spent playing vs efficiency vs focus on different areas

[solid python]

spent a lot of time leveling him

before i quit

[dawn sand]

Mine is way at the end and even still, it recasts and then resets when the first orb dissapears. I'll take a slightly lower duration instead of losing the first 100 kills every reset

[crisp silo]

anyone know whats the highest lvl i can get my vman cooking skill to

[narrow cloak]

true, i thought most constellations are easy to do but i guess people just dont focus on them much

[sick sentinel]

Mm gotcha, i havent been able to test it myself but thats good to know

[cosmic tendon]

They are and we’ll worth it I was at the end shortly after reaching w5 and did none of the afk ones

[edgy minnow]

Nightmare kattle has too much health like wth
Like imagine one shot chaotic then boom dealing like 5% of its health per minute

[cosmic tendon]

We’re at the stage in game prog where player power levels make no sense

[sick sentinel]

Kattle big dmg check

[edgy minnow]

Then it heals

[dense cosmos]

So I just got world 5. Is the key now to just sit in divinity?

[cosmic tendon]

Some ppl are years and/or doot ahead and ur supposed to somehow be progressing the same content

[edgy minnow]

See pin

[cosmic tendon]

Yeah sort of w5 welcome guide in pins

[dense cosmos]

How do I see pin?

[cosmic tendon]

Click it

[hollow ledge]

the pin icon up top

[cosmic tendon]

Click the banner if ur mobile

[hollow ledge]

this

[edgy minnow]

Bro like i thought i was reaching the endgame phase with 30b+ but i was mistaken with this boss

[opal pond]

are there any up to date build guides for all classes? many of the ones I have seen seem outdated

[cosmic tendon]

I don’t think that was endgame

But the endgame has been moved

Pray that he does move it further

[edgy minnow]

For w5?

[edgy minnow]

Indeed

[sick sentinel]

!fullguide and idleon toolbox website sort of have builds but they arwnt great. Most people just test and make their own in later worlds

[obtuse orbit]

In progress guide to everything about Idleon. Has builds and explanation on early mechanics
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18BpkkUGPSznTOvEMenognPllGvjTchAkcvHUKqrcu64/edit?usp=drivesdk

[dense cosmos]

Dope Ty

[opal pond]

ah fair, kk ty

[lapis elm]

Most of the earlier guides were there before damage exploded

[cosmic tendon]

Build guide: hit talent point sources including dropping char on w5 for a day and then max book everything good

[lapis elm]

Nowadays, skills are tested depending on the situation and most of your progression isn't even related

[glacial venture]

just a side question...dk is safest class to kill nm w5 boss if you cant 1 shot boss, right?

[opal pond]

@sick sentinel is this one okay to use? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vST3HcgBgeq8H9jztaMhUXZAAAHl120PvDVo_48qJpn6n9qnpa-TWmuG_kN9cmtr66M-OtO482XIOAk/pubhtml#

[cosmic tendon]

Generally good

[lapis elm]

Those guide is pretty good by the looks of it

Good priorities

[cosmic tendon]

Put 1 point in everything good before starting due to bonus pts

[edgy minnow]

Dunno i tried with beast master and bubo and it didn't go too well ( i failed)

[opal pond]

just can't tell if this is like an afk or active build, but otherwise looks good

[lapis elm]

Anything highlighted blue is for active only

[cosmic tendon]

The colour labels explain on right

[sick sentinel]

Yeah that one looks better on first glance

[opal pond]

oh right ty

haven't played for 360 days

xd

[lapis elm]

Just keep working on getting your max book levels up

The achievement demands it anyway

[cosmic tendon]

I think it’s good to follow that soon enough u won’t even care to refer to it

[glacial venture]

just dont neglect alchemy, stamps, statues and pretty any class can be good

[cosmic tendon]

If ur w5 it’s pretty easy to only be restricted by max book lvls imo

[lapis elm]

Everything else snowballs eventually

And then you look at your sailing map and despair

[gloomy bobcat]

This fight may take a bit

[glacial venture]

my dk had lower stats

[opal pond]

library books from w3 if I remember correctly right

[lapis elm]

Indeed

[glacial venture]

ehm...correction...he didnt^^

[opal pond]

what's the max library book of a skill you can get now a days

[glacial venture]

245

[opal pond]

damn

[loud flower]

Is active skilling a thing?

[glacial venture]

on vman maybe

[lapis elm]

Huge chunk comes from fury relic so until your sailing catches up, you'll be mid 100s

[proper horizon]

aren't skilling cards only obtained after offline?

[sick sentinel]

No reason to, takes away from other active stuff you can do

Yeah skilling drops like cards are afk only

[opal pond]

don't see any furry relic here sir

the wiki is still up to date right

[loud flower]

My fighters are stuck in rift for afk kills :/ And I was kinda hoping active skilling was better for xp

[opal pond]

I assume that's a W5 thing, will need to read up on it later xd

[lapis elm]

Again, it all comes with time

W5 kinda goes brr with progression

[sick sentinel]

You can do crystal countdown on mman/vman and candy out levels. Sort of active haha

[austere moss]

Do minor god links effect all characters

[glacial venture]

sailing artifact(fury) can give +25,50 or +75 depending on which rarity

[viral snow]

been desperatly waiting to get to the cloud
But speed is too low and takes 24hr+ to get to the cloud

[tiny laurel]

How do you unlock the 3rd talent preset book?

[glacial venture]

when i feel stuck i always return to lower islands again to get better stats on my first few boats

[viral snow]

only if minor link states that it boost all characters
goat for example boosts afk gains for all

[deep lodge]

That's the neat part. You don't

[viral snow]

thats what I will do too soon
just trying to get the second divinity artifact first

[tiny laurel]

Damn I was thinking you could make some specific vman classes with 3 presets

[viral snow]

you can atleast get the 3rd card pre set

[deep lodge]

Just carry 10k reset fragments on you and you're good

[iron jolt]

what's meta for samples in end game with aom collider?

just have everyone pump out whatever skilling resource they can pump the quickest? Because just use ES for actually monster drops

[sick sentinel]

Bm and mman for monster drops, mages for oak logs, warriors for copper

Sb for bugs

Or mob drops too

[queen raft]

Any advice how do do nightmare kattlekruk on 5b dmg maestro?

[iron jolt]

why bm for monster drops?

[viral snow]

get more dmg

[iron jolt]

and mman just because itt's skilling prints are rash?

[sick sentinel]

Bm doesnt habe a boost for any resource gains

[iron jolt]

ah

[sick sentinel]

Ye and same for mman like u said

[queen raft]

Good advice

[iron jolt]

still feel like would be better to print bugs no? because ES in like 10m will do what it gets in like a week from monsters?

[vagrant mountain]

@prisma drift thanks for explaining TD to me last night 😆

[gloomy bobcat]

lmfao long fight

[deep lodge]

For monster drops, do vman speedrun sampling

[iron jolt]

oh, interesting, so you cample during the speedrun?

[viral snow]

if you can get 70 snow you surely can get 80 on the other 2

[sick sentinel]

If ur focused on atoms then all mages should do logs

[iron jolt]

no i mean BM on bugs, because I can just active ES to get the monster drops

[ivory warren]

BM on bugs is so bad

[deep lodge]

No 20 is the limit

[sick sentinel]

Bm on bugs is fine too

[iron jolt]

im not focused solely on atoms yet

[sick sentinel]

But bugs dont translate into much past vials and bubbles since they arent gpod for atoms

Ah ok

[iron jolt]

but even still i just wanna green stack all resources and have them easily whenever i need em