lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[hollow wasp]

question: using silver pens at post office, do i want to use them equally or do i want to push an specific shipping ?

[teal lynx]

First order

[hollow wasp]

only simple shipping?

[lyric sequoia]

You're pooling ever longer stats which doesn't actually give the answer you're hoping it gives

[gray schooner]

mainly looking to improve my printer samples right now, so probably should link a bunch to harriep, as well as arctis for lab bonuses

[rustic garnet]

He's chatted to the community 1 time in the last 2 weeks and was really only a hollow statement. He's not went live on twitch for a very long time, I don't know if he's completely done with community engagement, or waiting for the wound to fester, dry, and fall off before returning. So: Maybe?

[teal lynx]

You complete the order. Use a Pen on Simple Shipping and complete it again

[granite grove]

could also do w4 item orders on 2nd page but it can be bit expensive, would need really strong print samples or high MK for active grind

tho mainly aiming for rewards instead of just crates

[lyric sequoia]

The bottom line is that the trend it has been following continued after pets came out, so he's absolutely gonna carry on pushing gacha because why the fuck woulldn't he

[teal lynx]

Infinite Boxes as long as you have pens

[hollow wasp]

yep i know how that works. question was if i use it on all 3 or only on the simple

[ivory tusk]

Yeah i feel like he's done engaging

[teal lynx]

First order is easy to farm and i have never heard of anyone doing another order (except 6 for Colo Tickets)

[rustic garnet]

sure

[lyric sequoia]

He streamed the day pets went out, is that "a very long time"?

[rustic garnet]

My biased opinion: He pulled the money lever and hopped on a yacht

[rustic garnet]

Over 2 weeks? Yes.

[signal osprey]

He never streams every single update so saying he hasnt streamed in awhile after missing one update

Wtf

[fading dust]

Ya optimal setup is dependent on what is needed - pushing portals (nobi), divinity+lab (goat), etc. the god sin guide are assuming you are at the same point

[rustic garnet]

he ended the stream early as there was so much uproar

[lyric sequoia]

The time span it took between the last patch and this one you mean, curious 🤔

[rustic garnet]

And did he stream this patch, the cool, new, boss patch?

[signal osprey]

He has never streamed every update though

Its every 2 to 3 updates usually

[teal lynx]

He never streamed except for BIG Updates

[rustic garnet]

the pet one being 'big' in your eyes?

[teal lynx]

It is?

[signal osprey]

His eyes and our eyes arent the same

[teal lynx]

U see Doot bonus and gambling

[signal osprey]

If he thinks its big enough to warrant a stream then he can stream

[teal lynx]

MONEY MONEY MONEY

[lyric sequoia]

In terms of the addition it added to the game in terms of power? Yeah pretty big

[teal lynx]

BIG

[ivory tusk]

I'd argue that a patch that destroyed the communities opinion of him counts as a 'big' patch

[teal lynx]

HUGE DOPAMINE

[granite grove]

content wise its small, but gameplay impact wise its massive

also massive change in game direction too within an update

[rustic garnet]

and smashing the player base downward too 😉

[signal osprey]

He really smashed that 120% into 118%

[rustic garnet]

Yeah, from a F2P friendly game into gacha

[signal osprey]

How can he ever recover

[rustic garnet]

Now you're lying about the numbers, cooooool

[ivory tusk]

Sub 30% rating on steam

[high horizon]

We don’t have all the numbers, do we? These are just steam players right? I think if he was so worried that player numbers are falling he would have considered backtracking. He says numbers are up, and he’s still happy with the performance of the system (adding only a small pity thing), so I would imagine numbers are up elsewhere (iOS?). And people are used to spend a lot of money on mobile games; more so than steam players I would think.

[ivory tusk]

You think people in the future are going to look at that and think 'oh yeah that looks like a fun game'

[lyric sequoia]

lmao sure keep coping that it killed the playerbase, let's return to that in a month and see whether the trend follows

[fading dust]

Agreed, its only been a few weeks

[rustic garnet]

Exactly, went from overwhemlingly positive to 'mostly positive' overall and in recent mostly negative

Those games are SKIPPED by new players

[signal osprey]

Its a good thing recent reviews fall off afte a month and then it will go back to positive as his overall review suggests

[reef bough]

Ah i see people debate with stupid thing and call them stupid but its make myself stupid because keep reading all of this

[teal lynx]

Bro u are arguing about Playerbase like it affects your day to day life. Lava is making money and u are still playing the Game. It is a damn Videogame

[rustic garnet]

all this copium heh

[signal osprey]

If you think the game is dead then you can leave

[lyric sequoia]

Player numbers mean nothing to the actual metric that he's using to determine whether he should worry about firefighting or not - his payouts from his payment providers

[next wigeon]

I'm totally f2p and i don't see how the pets update affects the game in any way. Just don't spend money if u don't want to. Your gameplay has nothing to do with other players gameplay right?

[dire flower]

For steam players only tho, the google play rating is still good

[ivory tusk]

Can't wait for you to prove us all wrong in a month with updated numbers

[fading dust]

@endgamers what caused this downtick here?

[granite grove]

it killed the playerbase which support what lava does initially (f2p friendly no p2w scummy tactics and solo quirky dev), including those some of those top contributing members

i suppose lava is aiming for wider casual players who dont dig history much now, and also with capacity of spending on pets

tho hope mods dont see this convo, eh

[fading dust]

Havent been around for that long to know

[lyric sequoia]

The $500 doot pity timer is so he can get the update properly on iOS and charge for green gems in the app

[ivory tusk]

Probably a response to all this drama which will drop off as it slowly becomes a dead game

[signal osprey]

Every game prefers newer players over older ones

[rustic garnet]

Yep, legally required to have the pity mechanic in China

[fading dust]

Naw this was a downtick in January

[signal osprey]

Thats where more money comes from

[lyric sequoia]

Mods don't care, we've talked about it like this since it came out. We know how to tow the line of being critical without shitposting

[next wigeon]

Can anyone explain how the pets update made the game worse? Just wait and get pet every week. Nobody is forcing u to spend money?

[signal osprey]

And that message right there is exactly why the game is fine.

[lyric sequoia]

It's nothing to do with China, that's Apple's in app purchase guidelines kicking in. Whether they are impacted by China or not I'm not going into, the timer is purely to appease the review process

[granite grove]

true but its best to balance old and new players, old players bought/invested on the game for what it is, but the gacha is a full 180° from all past update

i mean yeah lab chip exists but its on a minor scale and is kinda grindable at least

[rustic garnet]

It's put some incredibly strong and great QoL updates behind a paid currency with no access outside of paying or 1 roll a week

[fading dust]

I like the update for the QOL, but am otherwise worried that future content will become P2W

[signal osprey]

Newer players who werent here for the pre companion era will have that mentality

[rustic garnet]

it's counter to the rest of the game

[signal osprey]

They wont see it as a massive change to the game

[dire flower]

Maybe ppl just bored due to no exciting update that time i guess

[signal osprey]

It will just be the game

[rustic garnet]

and the fact we are already talking about the next set of pets in 8 weeks time

should be absolutely scary to everyone

[fading dust]

Gotcha thanks

[ivory tusk]

So true that's why raid shadow legends is a totally good game also

[lyric sequoia]

Sure, see you in the 3 years, 4 months it takes to hit the pity timer where you're then forced to make a green gem pull to actually get the timer

[next wigeon]

Don't know what you're talking about and legit don't care

[granite grove]

assuming if pity doesnt reset per season

[high horizon]

I mean we can assume the worst, but really do you think he doesn’t care about player numbers either? I imagine he would be unhappy if 90% of his players quit, but the remaining 10% gacha’d so much that his revenue went up a little.
Yes he’s probably making a lot more money now, but I doubt he’s really lost any sizable number of players either. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think he’s telling the truth when he says player numbers are up overall. Especially for iOS — there are so many people who do not play computer games at all, and iOS is a new market for the game.

[rustic garnet]

and assuming the next pet isn't just as strong or broken

[signal osprey]

Whats wrong with raid? Never played it but Im curious as to what youre getting at

[rustic garnet]

It's very much a predatory spend game

[foggy bay]

Hey, i gave a lil question, When u have King Doot did u need link Divinity or that's usless ?

[signal osprey]

But its still around though

I see ads all the time

[rustic garnet]

it's no longer needed to bother with linking, you are fully linked to all

[signal osprey]

So predatory spending didnt kill it or anything if thats what you mean

[reef bough]

P

[next wigeon]

I'm certainly not gonna be forced to spend money on a game if i don't want to. Is the pet upgrade p2w or people just spend money to get results Faster than if they had to wait weeks?

[ivory tusk]

Yeah it's a good game, defs give it a go if you have an impulse addictive personality/s

[rustic garnet]

There were cigarette and alchohol adds for a very long time too, and gambling, and all sorts of things like that

[dire flower]

No more praying but 100%

[lyric sequoia]

I don't know why you're quoting me about doubting his thing about the numbers, I never said that

[signal osprey]

Yeah and all of those things are still around too

[lyric sequoia]

The pity timer doesn't trigger from a free pull

[rustic garnet]

Sure you asked 'what is bad about RSL'

[ivory tusk]

Nah but it probably killed a few of it's players

[rustic garnet]

and I was highlighting that adds don't mean it's 'good'

[signal osprey]

Its good enough to not die out

[fading dust]

The pity system isnt really a pity system 💀 its a way to get update through iOS. Complete with bugs and all.

[rustic garnet]

through addiction, over saturation, and gacha mechanics, yes!

[granite grove]

tho for the past, i liked the idea that things are grindable as f2p but can be paid to unlock it (to a moderate extent, not that i like it but i understand the reason) as means to support lava

but with recent and past events plus green gems being paid-exclusive, it kinda felt f2p or low-spenders are missing out

[signal osprey]

And there are people who eat that shit up

Which is why it doesnt die

[rustic garnet]

continual existance doesn't make something good

[sullen mantle]

how to get green bits in gaming?

[lyric sequoia]

Welcome to the thing I already said 😛

[rustic garnet]

Yes, of course, there are addicts who eat that shit up

[dire flower]

Meanwhile, does this means no class skill talents on w6 ?

[signal osprey]

Nobody said that the companion update was god though

[silver moon]

I spent about $50 on green gems and got all the companions unlocked. Was super lucky.

[next wigeon]

I'm totally f2p. What am i gonna miss out on if i don't spend money?

[signal osprey]

We said it wasnt gonna kill the game

[rustic garnet]

Lava literally did though!

[sullen mantle]

im thinking new class or V man new class since they all the secret class

[dire flower]

Or maybe w6skills only fueled by companions

[signal osprey]

Well some people will think its good

[granite grove]

just get more bits, iirc 1QQ is equal to 1 green bit? im not sure other than its a very big number of bits

[ivory tusk]

Probably not on it's own, lava's attitude might tho

[signal osprey]

I know people who support the companion update

[hollow wasp]

what is this shield? am i allowed to not make orders for 3 days before i lose the streak?

[simple palm]

Look under, over w7

[signal osprey]

Personally Im not a fan but I also understand that the game isnt gonna die because of it

[granite grove]

yes, streaks are protected for 3 days

[rustic garnet]

I know people who support gambling and drugs too

[ivory tusk]

All of the people that made 3rd party apps and video content are pretty much done

[lyric sequoia]

Gen chat usually has at least 1 person that whiteknights gacha as a good thing any time it is brought up, so can't say no one thinks it is good

[signal osprey]

Yeah and for that reason gambling and drugs arent gonna stop anytime soon

[next wigeon]

Because they're totally fine?

[rustic garnet]

we lost MANY youtube pillars

[signal osprey]

Doesnt mean theyre good

But it means theyre good enough to survive

[granite grove]

game wont die, but the community quality would deteoriate to some degree, particularly trust and morale

[rustic garnet]

Nin, 100% right

[rustic garnet]

No one has questioned the survival

[dire flower]

Just curious how w6skill can be boosted since the class at w7 w8 sure goes to their respective world skill only

[signal osprey]

The thing is its a smaller portion of the community thats getting damaged than you think

[rustic garnet]

There are some terrible games that live on forever and suck money out of people

[signal osprey]

This discord is a minority

[ivory tusk]

Clearly only a very slight increase in popularity is the only metric for how good something is

[rustic garnet]

The discord has nearly 30% penetration

[signal osprey]

Most idleon players dont give a shit about us

[rustic garnet]

it's not that small of minority, frankly

[reef bough]

New mechanic maybe

[granite grove]

discord minority in whole playerbase, but quite significant for guides and wiki tho iirc

but even then many ppl nowadays joined discord to follow news or for guild purposes

[next wigeon]

As Michael Jackson used to say

[reef bough]

Why dou you care about other people game

[ivory tusk]

And there are a lot of people who play that have friends that also play that are on discord

[lyric sequoia]

"nearly 30% penetration", I'd love to see where you pullled that number out from

[rustic garnet]

I care about a game I enjoy and want to enjoy in the future -- I see it falling to pieces before my eyes

[rustic garnet]

It was mentioned in this chat

there is a very high engagement on discord for Idleon

[simple palm]

Well, yeah, When I looked at it I thought that since the 3 elite classes was before world 7 in the list, it would be for w6, but I see now that the classes probably belonged to w7. So I guess youre right

[rustic garnet]

one of the highest ratios, and someone mentioned 30%

[lyric sequoia]

I'd love to see where that person pulled that number from then

[rustic garnet]

search for it if you wish

ask them

[lyric sequoia]

Because if it wasn't Lava, they literally don't know shit about the total playerbase lmao

[rustic garnet]

I also pointed out the server size

[granite grove]

also to add, lava brand always was "solo quirky indie dev who do no p2w scummy tactics" (despite past drama but that's for another topic too),, the pet update kinda revealed the 180 move

[next wigeon]

Doesn't literally every player join the discord the same hour they started playing? That's what i did

[rustic garnet]

He deleted that sentence ;-)))))

[reef bough]

What make the game less enjoyeble just because other people better than you because they p2w not make you have a worse gameplay

[high horizon]

I think we generally agree but “the actual metric he’s using… $$$$” seems to mean that you think he doesn’t care about player numbers at all. I don’t think that’s the case. He can care about both. “Player numbers are… not bad! And I’m making way more money. Great update.” Obviously “making all OG players happy” is not something he seems too concerned about.. but why would he eh?

[rustic garnet]

The game will be balanced around the new normal, impacting everyone

[lyric sequoia]

I join discords for the emotes and nothing else all the time, so the number isn't really a full reflect of players

[buoyant dragon]

uhhh what do i do if i got the broken mic from the goblin npc but my inventory was full so i went to the town to sell some stuff but after that the mic despawned and now im stuck on the quest with picking his broken mic up what can i do

[granite grove]

big oof and some concern id say

[rustic garnet]

proof?

[lyric sequoia]

Oh Lava was actually posting real messages yesterday too after the patch, fun

[ivory tusk]

Plus a lot of people have played gacha games before and we've seen this exact moment in plenty of gachas where they start to cash in on the goodwill to the point the population of the game drops and dies

[rustic garnet]

abandon quest and retake it

[buoyant dragon]

thank you

[granite grove]

iirc some ppl really do join servers just for emote but knows nothing about servers, not much tho since they need nitro and they arent too many discord wide

[rustic garnet]

This is, 100%, the problem

[buoyant dragon]

how do i abandon a quest

[rustic garnet]

open quest log, click quest, click abandon

[next wigeon]

Codex

[buoyant dragon]

thank you alll

[reef bough]

I playing guardian tales basicly gacha game but still alive after 3 years

[rustic garnet]

we're not saying it won't live on

we're saying it will degenerate into shit

[ivory tusk]

That's nice bud

[rustic garnet]

it'll end up skimming the top 5% of spenders and every update will cater to them, as that's how he makes money

[dire flower]

One of the notable games in korea

[rustic garnet]

and the F2P gap will widen to a point where you're playing a totally different game

[next wigeon]

Why would anyone want to work for free?

[granite grove]

also one factor to consider is game long term health and reputation (goodwill too)

i mean could make more money long term with ppl buying $10-20 patch per update or sth

but i guess its more "good" to make short term and cause some existing ppl to quit, or cut or halt spending entirely

[next wigeon]

People who have skills deserve to get paid for the work they put in

[rustic garnet]

If you think Lava is 'working for free' you are incredibly off base

[ivory tusk]

I played a lot of FFBE but quit after they introduced 6* or maybe 7*'s I don't remember

[next wigeon]

Go and create your own game if you have the skills to do it, then set your own rules

[ivory tusk]

No

[granite grove]

many ppl are willing to buy stuff in the past, its just the predatory gacha (the $505 pity doesnt help much either) is a concern for some/many

[next wigeon]

Game is free. I'm totally f2p and enjoying it a lot. One of the best games i've played in a while. I just spent 5 dollars on auto loot and will never spend money again. If people wanna spend they're free to do it. I don't know what the problem is

[visual lava]

See you in 5 hours, this fight is going to take a while

[ivory tusk]

Yes you do

[visual lava]

f2p, bought auto loot. choose one

[next wigeon]

Isn't 5 dollars f2p? I make that per minute

[ivory tusk]

Huge flex

[granite grove]

also bit related but iirc Skullgirls game has big drama where the game removed many of the fanservice, when players initially boughted and crowdfunded the game for what it is

now for idleon, it's similar but now about "f2p no p2w scum tactics"

will new players come in for either both games? yes, but also they pissed existing playerbase by doing a 180

[warped grail]

you make 5 dollars per minute? i need your work

[dire flower]

That still cost 5 buck tho, you cant just say a 50 cent thing is free because its low

[reef bough]

You f2p because you doesnt want to spend money
I am f2p because i have no money
We are different

[ivory tusk]

Maybe you should give some money to @reef bough instead

[reef bough]

Just want to make meme

[ivory tusk]

They seem like a nice bucko

[next wigeon]

I have no money either. I just totally made that up. Still. It isn't much at all. It supports the dev and helps you out in game

[visual lava]

Free to play by definition is not using money on the game

[next wigeon]

😅🙏

[lyric sequoia]

I love when the "free game no bitching" crew enters the chat

[visual lava]

I completely agree that 5 bucks wasnt a lot and back then I wanted to support lava with it

[dire flower]

Btw what kind of new skilling left for lava actually? Seems out of idea in w5

[next wigeon]

Because they make u feel bad about your life choices?

[ivory tusk]

Damn who'd have thought someone making a disingenuous comment would lie to prove a point

[granite grove]

imo the issue isnt about just spending money, but rather the predatory gacha behind it

FOMO (in quarters/seasons), loose-safety-net pity ($505 for 200 roll pity), plus rising price to odds making an illusion of better deal

[reef bough]

Hem idk taming spirit maybe

[next wigeon]

Bruh it was a joke, don't go that deep

[dire flower]

Farming crop, farming animals , or dating?

[ivory tusk]

Ok

[lyric sequoia]

No, because it's always a sign that your takes are low IQ and we can not worry about your messages

[dire flower]

Imagine make a galgame on idleon npc

[next wigeon]

Oh, so i was right.

Not sure if i have low IQ for just enjoying a game without spending money on it

Actually i might be a genius

[dire flower]

Seems same as breeding or praying

[ivory tusk]

Yeah man you're right, you win. Enjoy

[granite grove]

soon lava will add gf pet, gives 200% all stat and 100% all afk

[next wigeon]

Thanks

[reef bough]

Farming seems like gaming

[lyric sequoia]

No, you have a low IQ for saying that the game can't be criticized simply because there is no upfront cost to play it

But really, we both know you're baiting so I don't know why I bothered to take it

[dire flower]

Oh, originally thought about cropping from idle skilling

[reef bough]

Idk go dm lava and ask myabe you will get answer lol

[next wigeon]

That's not what i said at all but ok

[granite grove]

lava basically muted his DM at this point

[ivory tusk]

Duude, he's lying to himself and is happy, just let him enjoy this moment.

[reef bough]

No ban?

[dire flower]

Kinda sure he will just say wait and see thingy

[granite grove]

unless if one pushed hard enough through DMs or posted a dissenting opinion when hes active

[runic girder]

Did he ever respond to dm? I dont blame him for that

[next wigeon]

Meet me in deep wildy and see what's up

[granite grove]

i dont think so, even before the drama the game has gone too big to be able to respond DMs efficiently

[ivory tusk]

I'll spec u out
Sit

[chrome tiger]

hey nice, got a challenge done too

[granite grove]

but the pet update prob would overload his DMs should it ever be open

[next wigeon]

Pet update best update the game ever had

Absolutely love it. I got a sheepie pet first try. Amazing.

[narrow cloak]

i bet that required a lot of skill, i'm not that skilled only got sand pot

[ivory tusk]

Idk i liked the update where he rolled back a bunch of cheaters accounts more

[next wigeon]

Just buy gems and try again

[chrome tiger]

it's good genetics more than skill

[granite grove]

no, im pretty sure a correct gaming chair does improve pet odds

[buoyant dragon]

how can you get pets?

[ivory tusk]

You need an ultra wide monitor

[granite grove]

in w1 town, click dog npc, then you will see option to do pulls in the map

[next wigeon]

Go w1 and click on the dog

Zog zog

[buoyant dragon]

👍

[granite grove]

dog npc iirc needs at least lv10 char but since you asked in w5 question, you definitely should have enough for the requirement ig

[next wigeon]

See? This guy plays the game and doesn't even know pets exist. And people say it is bad update lmfao

[buoyant dragon]

ohhh now i get the channel name lol

im only at world 2 max lol

mb ya'll

[ivory tusk]

Idk they might just not be very smart like you are

[granite grove]

id say new players dont know the game direction which it used to have

not that they are a problem tho, just bystanders like everyone

[ivory tusk]

Which is probably lavas target audience:x

[granite grove]

like imagine a steak house suddenly turned into a vegan bar, new customers wont know what it used to be unless told by other

[next wigeon]

Just burn it and move on

[granite grove]

bit exteme example but you prob get the point

[next wigeon]

Wow, you're so smart. Thank you for the insight! 🙂

[ivory tusk]

Dude loves meat

[granite grove]

and now being condescending, okay

[next wigeon]

No, my friend. That was a good analogy! 🙂

[ivory tusk]

See guys, he's actually really nice and not just a lying troll.

[next wigeon]

How was i a lying troll?

Everything i said is facts you ziggy

[ivory tusk]

Is that a slur?

What's a ziggy?

[next wigeon]

Say Wallah you don't know what ziggy is

No way u just said that

[versed cypress]

guys i fyou want to fight about this situation go to gen chat its getting boring now

[ivory tusk]

Like ziggy starfish?

[viral snow]

https://i.imgur.com/luwXagp.png

doubt thats correct tho

[ivory tusk]

Oh yeah that's me nice

[severe trout]

What's the best class to kill the new chaotic boss in 30 seconds?
And how much DMG is roughly needed on that char?

[visual lava]

Bubo or siegebreaker are good imo

[tawdry steeple]

probably bubo

[versed cypress]

boss has 100B, 10T, 1Q respectively on difficulty

[next wigeon]

No one is fighting. We are not here to entertain you either. In fact i didn't even know of your existance 😅

[tawdry steeple]

btw vman needs 250b+ in order to kill nightmare kattle

[versed cypress]

youc an one shot the boss with any class to be honest

[granite grove]

best single target dps class iirc is SB, but also bubo because of boss mechanics iirc

[visual lava]

Did it on 30b dmg

[lyric sequoia]

Just have enough damage and 1 shot the boss, ezpz

[ivory tusk]

Yeah dude called me a ziggy, he can't be fighting me

[visual lava]

Just a skill issue

[tawdry steeple]

i guess so lol

[visual lava]

It's more about add management than boss dmg

[severe trout]

Gotta find good ways to increase my DMG fast then
Most my chars besides my main one have like 1b😅

[visual lava]

Took like over 10 minutes

[dire flower]

Is it possible to beat with 200m dmg?

[visual lava]

if you can 1shot the moles with vman

and all sources of cooldown reduction

it will just take too much time

hours

[dire flower]

Only vman can be used?

[visual lava]

ah

you're talking about any

what difficulty?

[dire flower]

Or just because that involves kill all at once

[dire flower]

Normal maybr

[visual lava]

both sides spawn moles

[lyric sequoia]

Last achievement is to kill nightmare kattle with all 10 characters

[visual lava]

they will heal the boss if they reach it

[lyric sequoia]

CC active on a boss 💀

[visual lava]

this is my random bubo

not the main one

8th char

[lyric sequoia]

Doesn't make it any less 💀

[visual lava]

💀 true

2nd vman was a pain

[high hearth]

Since the arguments are over for now, can anyone tell me what more I can do to try and kill this stupid boss?

[visual lava]

skill issue

[high hearth]

I have been in this fight for over an hour.

[gray pagoda]

How frequently do moles spawn on normal mode?

[visual lava]

can you 1shot moles?

[high hearth]

No.

[tulip lark]

Get w5 armor

[visual lava]

if you cant 1shot moles you are fucked

[high hearth]

So it's literally just a DPS check.

[rustic garnet]

if you have bubo aura and can 2 shot, you will eventually kill it

[severe trout]

Find ways to increase your DMG
Lab, alchemy, sailing as example

[visual lava]

Ah I know how to get more dmg

[next locust]

If you can't one shot moles I would just get out of there and come back in 2-3 days

[tulip lark]

Yes

[lyric sequoia]

Bruh can I get money % per 1m stiltmole kills too

[visual lava]

alchemy doot

[granite grove]

doot is answer to everything

[gray pagoda]

If you have the bubbles that use sailing treasures, I've heard they're really good for damage

[rustic garnet]

it really is

doot+sheepie breaks the game hard

[high hearth]

Yeah, think I'll just exit. Like, apparently this fight can't kill me. But I can't stop moles coming from TWO directions at once. One direction? Fine.

[visual lava]

that's why you need the minimum damage to 1shot them

[high hearth]

Wait, what are these about now?

[visual lava]

these

[gray pagoda]

They upgrade your damage % per 100 of your main stat

[dire flower]

Last bubble i guess

[gray pagoda]

Oh, sorry, 250

I don't have them yet, but I'm trying lol

[dire flower]

Thats steak for 100

[granite grove]

also do get lot of stat% and all stat% for the bubble to be stupidly strong

[gray pagoda]

Oh right. Mb.

[high hearth]

How the hell did you get that?

[visual lava]

atoms.

[gray pagoda]

Blighted Chizoar card helps with that, right? Or are there better cards to use in its place?

[granite grove]

even a 1% stat boost is good chunk of damage boost with those bubbles if having enough base stats

[high hearth]

No wonder I can't find it. I've only ever made like four atoms.

[visual lava]

late game you need to reach 100m cost for a bubble to level it indefinitely

[quasi sparrow]

So I just got to word 5
I heard that puting all my characters in divinity is best
is that true?

[gray pagoda]

Yep

Just like lab for W4

[granite grove]

iirc mobs like last w4 and tremor worms give all stat, but mostly its available from troll/lava set

[gray pagoda]

I would aim for bear god before doing anything else

[granite grove]

those set gives big all stat % compared to other sources in game

[visual lava]

proper way to do nm version of the boss

[gray pagoda]

Interesting way to pass the time

[gray pagoda]

Also, congrats on getting to World 5!

[pure spindle]

Not a fan of pong

👎

[granite grove]

gotta get those necessary multiplier up, even if it gives just x1.01

[gray pagoda]

I still don't have POiNG -_-

[visual lava]

I dont believe this for a second

[gray pagoda]

What, that he scored that high?

[stiff prairie]

Doing nothing is also an achievement

[visual lava]

or maybe he really just spends all that time not coding and playing POiNG

[granite grove]

38k pre-nerf during development or sth

[stiff prairie]

Sometimes, POiNG just... pongs

[upbeat kernel]

How much dmg needed to kill kattlecruk? I have like 40m max dmg but its almost impossible to kill all the moles and the boss at the same time

[granite grove]

pong is pretty hard unless lava just testplay it but not the game itself (see streams when he played TD)

[gray pagoda]

POiNG PIoNG

[visual lava]

if you can 1shot moles, you can kill boss

otherwise it becomes a little messy

it's a DPS check

[gray pagoda]

Do you need to do 900M damage with normal attacks, or are there certain attacks that do a higher percent of damage than you can usually do that are acceptable?

[visual lava]

also this is the last reward to people who haven't seen it

[gray pagoda]

For example, would it be ok if I did 850M on my ES since he has the meteors?

[visual lava]

if you can murder the moles before they reach the boss

[thin rose]

That's nuts

[granite grove]

sad that w5 boss didnt give all stat %, lot of afk tho but its just active nowadays if for progress

[quasi sparrow]

Thanks

[visual lava]

Also lmao 2 lucky lads

gotta get those off of the blocklist

[tulip lark]

The string tooth is honestly the hardest item there

[granite grove]

put it back on once you got total of 20 trophues

[stiff prairie]

Is the divine scarf worth it?

Is mob respawn that powerful compared to 20% damage + allstats?

[noble bane]

25% all afk gain is nuts

[stiff prairie]

But useless for active? i guess you want to switch it when you're active

[high hearth]

What the fuck.

[granite grove]

i suppose good for afk only chars or 3d print sampling

[noble bane]

yeah, but that's 25% for sampling too

[gray pagoda]

Did the troll lose health after W5 was released?

[frigid acorn]

dont know if trophy quest does consume those item anot

[granite grove]

for active not much use other than mob respawn

[gray pagoda]

Or has he always had 80M?

[high hearth]

How. You had enough resources to get all 10 chars this powerful?

[stiff prairie]

Base troll had 80m since the last time i fought him

[gray pagoda]

According to the wiki it doesn't

[sick sage]

played since world 1

was end game

😛

[frigid acorn]

glad to hear that

[slate cloud]

@sick sage reall question is how did you get 700+ keys already

[sick sage]

put everyone on mongo worms?

[noble bane]

i'm only on 6/10, the vman is my next issue, i know it's going to be tedious

[sick sage]

its 1/25k for 1 keyu

[granite grove]

afk farming with ridiculous MK

[sick sage]

ye

[noble bane]

completing all the quests is 350 keys, then just put everyone on mongos

[sick sage]

yupp yupp

[slate cloud]

@sick sage ah makes sense I've been trying to do all the quests for it

[sick sage]

only need 700 keys

you should

[granite grove]

also iirc if the key is not in rare drops in the mob card info, can be grinded with ES but not exactly sure about this (active grinding part being efficient or not)

[sick sage]

kinda

[sick sentinel]

Its like grinding hampters/pearlers

[sick sage]

nice neck

[sick sentinel]

Thick

[sick sage]

hope everyone kept allt heir lucky lad trophies

[high hearth]

I'm still using mine, so yeah.

[sick sentinel]

I have at least 1 on every char lol, i did take it off the filter tho

[granite grove]

inventory clog, or was

now just need 20 before putting back into filter

[sick sage]

ye

[frigid acorn]

still have plenty lad on other chars

[hexed crescent]

bruh

[gray pagoda]

Bro I still haven't gotten my first lucky lad -_-

[high hearth]

I got Bloque and Custard.

[granite grove]

unless if someone is gonna do the dare with w5 boss upgrade stones, need multiple pieces

or save scumming

[gray pagoda]

I got bloque first week, custard last week, and sandy pot this week

[left fossil]

Lucky lad is a common drop after your first one. So glad they can befiltered out.

[sick sage]

dmg check

[frigid acorn]

crystal farming with DK , no worry 1 week can totally fill your bags

[hexed crescent]

This is literally the 3 possible worst draws

[high hearth]

Yo what the hell.

[gray pagoda]

Ok... How effective is that on mobile with little free time?

[lyric sequoia]

3 slimes would be the worst possible draws

[sick sage]

😄

[gray pagoda]

I think slime would've been worse

[frigid acorn]

well then let them afk at oak

[granite grove]

best to active on pc/steam or you might fry your phone battery

not worth degrading phone battery just for this

[sick sentinel]

damn 1/5 that... only 2 dmg cards tho

[gray pagoda]

I can't login on my laptop for some reason. Steam won't let my account log in.

[sick sage]

still really good

[left fossil]

With that much mainstat is the new gear a dmg increase over magma? As you lose a lot of %all stats.

[sick sentinel]

yee gettin there, need more wisdom

[granite grove]

did you clear app cache or something? there should be some way to fix it

[sick sage]

prob

[high hearth]

Be amazed.

[sick sage]

amazing

[high hearth]

Thank you, thank you.

[lavish cloak]

Where do stats come from besides alchemy?

[sick sentinel]

total dmg is pretty trash for actual dmg so likely not but i havent made a full set yet

[sick sage]

err

sadeth

to manny things to list

[granite grove]

just need few trillions more damage and you should be able to start playing idleon

[lyric sequoia]

Not even kattle wand SMH

[sick sage]

nah

no kattle

[gray pagoda]

If it makes you feel any better, I'm stuck on spriggly storm with my ES

[lavish cloak]

I have 1100 levels in all 3 mainstat bubbles and 500 in luck. Im maybe over half your stats.

[fallen umbra]

bro these last vials are taking sooooo long

[gray pagoda]

Those souls for the Gatsby are awful

[sick sage]

well

err

obols

and err

[gray pagoda]

Talents

Family bonuses

[sick sage]

talents pets

[sick sentinel]

gstacks?

[sick sage]

etc

[hexed crescent]

STAMPS

[granite grove]

stamps are base stat iirc so it counts into all stat %

alch bubbles not though because its total stat, not base stat

[granite grove]

alch lot easier to stack up tho so theres that

[gray pagoda]

Stamps are like the W1 version of alch.... You can't ignore it or you're screwed.

[deep osprey]

Juicey or what

[green eagle]

my boys NEED IT

my sb is DROOLIN

[lavish cloak]

Ah, mines only 800. Probably need to get more voidwalker talent points to increase too.

[sick sage]

oo

[sick sage]

so manny things

artifacts

[gray pagoda]

How much damage does your SB do?

[lavish cloak]

Ive got ancient everything. Cant wait for eldritch. Im just having a hard time wrapping my brain around how im 7k hours into idleon and still not past 300bil damage

[tiny laurel]

Bruh IOS companions are bugged so I cant even get their buffs. I need reparations my idling isnt as good

[sick sage]

question is

[green eagle]

he is my 3rd strongest behind my ES and Bubo atm. he does 150b max dmg atm

[sick sage]

do you do the risky weapon stone on kattle wand or not

[gray pagoda]

😳

[sick sentinel]

hell naw i aint gambling on my first weapons

[high hearth]

Yeah it seriously feels like that.

[gray pagoda]

My strongest does just over 50M

[sick sentinel]

maybe if i remake them

[gray pagoda]

I think it's like 53M or something like that

[sick sage]

i failed 4 out of 6 weapon stones

wtf is this

68% chance to success

some bullshit

[sick sentinel]

yup thats why

[gray pagoda]

Looks like you gotta make a new one

[sick sage]

nah

[granite grove]

just if the game used psuedo rng instead if pure random rng in some places

[sick sage]

aint happenin

[hexed crescent]

4/6 is 67% .. or were you joking?

[sick sage]

every stone

[sick sentinel]

failed 4 out of 6

[high hearth]

662 hours into Idleon and I do between 35m-800m on a hit. Feel like I'm getting nowhere.

[tiny laurel]

Lmao the 25% chances are worse I had to use 40 just to get 5 on a chest piece

[granite grove]

kinda tilting to fail w4/w5 stones 10 times consecutively

[sick sage]

has 68% chance to suceed

and i failed 4 in a row

[rustic garnet]

4 fails in 6 tries is very normal though

[sick sage]

wat

[sick sentinel]

its just lame

[granite grove]

68% iirc is just a bit above 2/3

[rustic garnet]

want to see the odds of it happening?

it does suck

[fervent brook]

What is everyone using the respawn Keychains for?

[rustic garnet]

but it's not like crazy unlucky

[gray pagoda]

I highly doubt that they're actually the chance they say they are. Stones are practically going to fail everytime if they're below a 70% chance.

[sick sentinel]

sb or afk killers

[sick sage]

ye

fo sho

[hexed crescent]

Shaming people who spend money on it mainly

[granite grove]

today i failed my 25% divinity chance like 10 times, like why

[tiny laurel]

Is 4 fails in a row .01% or wtf Is the calculation

[sick sentinel]

you can get blue gems free at least

[viral snow]

more like 1%

[hexed crescent]

But if you're planning to buy out the weekly shop every week in this new p2w game, you're gonna have to supplement with real money

[gray pagoda]

>

[tiny laurel]

1% Is .01% but its actually a .03 percent chance

[granite grove]

gonna have to milk the gem shop with very specific gsme saving method and preserve every bit of gems

[gray pagoda]

Time to find some free green gem exploits, who's in?

[stiff prairie]

1% is 1%...

[hexed crescent]

1% = .01% * 100

[viral snow]

how is 1% = 0.1% ?

[stiff prairie]

Ok, so u tried to do something that's 0.01%, 100 times?

[granite grove]

doubt tho unless if someone can directly manipulate server side data or sth

[gray pagoda]

*1% = .01 * 100

[stiff prairie]

1% is indeed 0.01. No % needed

[hexed crescent]

this

[rustic garnet]

which ruby cards are best to get btw?

[stiff prairie]

1% is 1 per cent. 1 per 100.

[gray pagoda]

For damage, blitzkrieg troll, and for active, genie and poop

[granite grove]

convert decimals to percent or vice versa correctly, its gonna cause confusion and miscalculations

[gray pagoda]

Other than that, no clue

[sick sage]

so manny hampsters tho

[stiff prairie]

Passive cards are also a good option. Since you always get them.

[gray pagoda]

True

[stiff prairie]

Although ofc theres different ranks there too.

[tiny laurel]

1% Is .01 because in like interest equations you use 1.00 as 100 percent and then any growth as numbers above 1.00 and decay as numbers below 1.00

[hexed crescent]

Using decimals to describe percentage here is just bad terminology though, unless you're presenting the actual equation

[tacit pewter]

chaotic amarok is a good one for extra efficiency

[gray pagoda]

That accuracy from the copper card sure does help. Idk how I'd get by without it

[rustic garnet]

is the respawn chain worth it?

[stiff prairie]

Yeah, but people understand % far better than decimal

[tiny laurel]

Some people just need to think a little harder idk

[granite grove]

better get acc from sand castle or w3 eyes mob

[granite grove]

stupidly strong for mob sampling or map pushing

[viral snow]

that is correct but you wrote 0.01% which is incorrect

[tacit pewter]

decimals = percent Kappa

[stiff prairie]

Actually, they understand the final result in decimal better (DR being 4.58 for example) but for actual calculations, they understand % better

And when you constantly switch between the 2, it's just chaotic, even for those who understand

[gray pagoda]

Lol ik. I was just kidding. My ES is doing quite alright with 0 points in quickness boots. Still has 100% on Mr. Brightsides.

[frank harbor]

Could someone look at my IE and tell me how I could boost my vman damage?

[gray pagoda]

Also has no accuracy cards equipped, and bosses and nightmares cardset

[tiny laurel]

I did, mb I read the deci as a percent

[granite grove]

in that case better get acc from fly alch vial

totally good acc with 1b flies spent

[visual lava]

doot

[gray pagoda]

I'll worry more about accuracy when I get over accurate crit

[frank harbor]

I have doot

[visual lava]

get another

[modest pawn]

then you won

[hexed crescent]

BUHHH Doot buyer BUHHH

[frigid acorn]

steak ancient yet ?

[void pulsar]

would DK or ES be better at farming a rare drop, like cooking clogs?

[visual lava]

candy

[viral snow]

is that with perfect roll ?

[tiny laurel]

Should I actively fight my maestro in order to push for vman? I currently only afk and my levels have stood still for a while

[rustic garnet]

ES

[sick sentinel]

es

[gray pagoda]

So reject Kruk, embrace magma? Got it.

[void pulsar]

would you mind explaining why?

[rustic garnet]

kruk armor is crap

[hexed crescent]

BUHHH

[sick sentinel]

portal mob drop rate is nutts

[sick sage]

yea seems liike kruk is bad

[sick sentinel]

anything on the actual mob card is es territory

[granite grove]

iirc just kruk scarf is good, other piece all stat % is more relevant

[visual lava]

nah Ill be rocking that +50% DR

[gray pagoda]

I used my ES and got 2 yellow snowflakes in a matter of minutes with less than 10 droprate

[sick sage]

ye

[vagrant mountain]

DK is better at farming rare drop table?

[stiff prairie]

Yes

[spring raptor]

So just get one set for the slab huh

[vagrant mountain]

thanks

[stiff prairie]

ES for "front page" drops.
DK for bag drops (including mini-bosses)
Vman line for boss drops
and bubo for coins

[sick sentinel]

thats cause of crystals tho, es can still hit rare bag stuff but not with boosted drops

[stiff prairie]

Why is bubo best for coins?

[gray pagoda]

Bro you said bubo was best for coins XD

Now you're asking why lol

[sick sentinel]

its got to do with frequency of crystal mobs and the way drop rate influences it

i dont know about coin gain on DK, just always noticed bubo pops off in that area

[stiff prairie]

If something is repeated enough it becomes a mantra, i just know bubo is used for coin farming.

[granite grove]

prob it clears most mob at once and respawns real fast

ES kinda kills a lot too but wormhole mobs doesnt spawn crystal

DK needs flat map but the respawn also bit delayed

SB respawn good but cant clear mob as fast as other iirc

[shrewd nexus]

coins dont go by drop rate i think, so highest kph active is highest coins, so bubo

[gray pagoda]

Oh, ok. That makes sense. I've also heard bubo is for coins, never knew why though. Figured it was cause of how quickly he can kill clusters of mobs.

[sick sentinel]

drop rate influence coin gain at breakpoints

basically any of the odd numbers give a boost

but i dont know if dk orb boosts coin gain or not

[shrewd nexus]

ah im not sure then, but bc def gets more coins, so im guessing portal/orb doesnt buff it?

[granite grove]

even if it does, it probably still can't catch up with the sheer amount of mobs killed and respawned by bubo

[sick sentinel]

portal drop rate doesnt affect anything besides normal mobs so not worth thinking about

[sick sage]

bubo just have insane amount of mobs per hour

simple as that

im sad now

my bubo lost 1k mainstat thanks to shitty kattlekruk armor

[dapper prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034167878775222333/1095251490186207252/dr_money_breakpoints.png

[sick sentinel]

im going to make another set for my bubo

[dapper prism]

not really like bubo needs it though tbh

[heavy moth]

damn ill probably jsut put that on SB than

[sick sage]

mainstat is gold gain

[sick sentinel]

mainstat is huge for money

[sick sage]

so yes

it does

[stiff prairie]

Alchemy bubbles

[granite grove]

kattlekruk needs all stat % in place of dmg %

dmg % is kinda a w3 stat now, not much relevant or as strong after w4

[sick sage]

ye

[granite grove]

unless if lava can add 3rd or more misc stat slots

[dapper prism]

Oh wow, was blanking on that xD

[sick sentinel]

if only lava played his game and knew what was good

[sick sage]

ye

[granite grove]

he doesnt judging from TD plays on his streams

[stiff prairie]

Bubble 16 in each of the main 3 cauldrons boost coins by % for every 250 in that stat

Does bubble 16 on orange boost bubo if u happen to have multiples of 250 str?

[sick sage]

all 3 main stat bubbles

work for all classes

[tawdry steeple]

should've just added the all stat from magma to new gear

[sick sage]

same with new stones aswell tbh

weapon power is way worse then main stat endgame

thanks to scaling

[granite grove]

WP just some accessory bonus stat

main weapon stat is the speed

[gray pagoda]

Where did picnic stowaway go? I was just at frogs and he's not there.

Also, turns out I do have sand and neyeptune cards equipped lol

[sick sentinel]

he had to go eat with his inlaws

[gray pagoda]

No fr dude where is he, I need more kabobs

[sick sentinel]

he's there for me

bottom left above dungeon portal

[granite grove]

iirc need to do some scripticus quest to unlock? theres some form of criteria for npc to be visible

[gray pagoda]

Yeah, he's gone. I'm on mobile, could that have something to do with it?

[north juniper]

Which node is Kattlekruk on? Is it the one after fire spirits?

[sick sentinel]

lmaoo that would be hilarious if he is quest locked

[gray pagoda]

Bruh what? I didn't know about that.

[north juniper]

Oh so very very close

[gray pagoda]

Looks like I have some quests to do on my ES

[granite grove]

just a bit of early game quest btw, tho dont do too much if you havent greenstack quest items

[vagrant mountain]

iOS?

[gray pagoda]

No, I'm not that feature deprived lol

[north juniper]

Oh that's right you'd still need to greenstack the ketchup and mustard

[vagrant mountain]

maybe try reinstalling, I am android I see him

[gray pagoda]

Hm... That's an idea

[north juniper]

And those pesky dog bones

[gray pagoda]

Someone said he's quest locked, I just need to do some of Scripticus' quests

[gray pagoda]

Already did that on all 10 characters unfortunately

[granite grove]

here i kinda left my 10 char doing only class advancement quest, even not doing w1 boss key, gotta need those extra damage up

oof, wait for 11th char then

[vagrant mountain]

oh maybe, Ive been mindlessly doing the quests

🤡

wtb 11th char

[granite grove]

or just cheat and plop in a lv9999 char for unlimited slots

at a cost of botching the account for eventual shadowban

[north juniper]

Yeah I'm keeping 1 per someone's suggestion.

Just working on getting that KPH up

[vagrant mountain]

I'd rather throw money at it

[granite grove]

need doot and >1e100 72hr time candies for that

[vagrant mountain]

damn, I'm gated by daily time candy purchases

[north juniper]

Those later bubbles are dodging me. Aside from the the P2W boost tab, cauldron itself, and bubo skills is there anything else?

Like when you start getting to bubbles 15 and later, what do you want the chance to be overall? 10%

[vagrant mountain]

hit that cranium cooking and spam til you hit

[vocal warren]

@sick sentinel did you try nm kattle with vman?

[dapper prism]

actually play bubo at least daily cc or more and you'll have more than enough brewing for attempts

[sick sentinel]

not yet, waiting to get all the keys for everyone then gonna try

[granite grove]

just luck iirc if you are referring to atom-boosted NBLB lab perk

[sick sentinel]

also boost cauldron production with cranium cooking on bubo

so you can spam new bubble

[granite grove]

oh brewing new bubbles, cant do much other than wait or bubo active with CC

given if brew levels, p2w perks and shaman talent are well upgraded

[sick sentinel]

ye and new bubble chance gets as low at like .1% or something along those lines

[granite grove]

average end game rng gameplay

[vagrant mountain]

btw do I farm golden hampters on DK or ES?

[visual lava]

dk

[vagrant mountain]

ty

[visual lava]

Citcringes is good

[granite grove]

rare drop in bag so DK

if not in rare drop, then ES

at least thats the rule of thumb

[north juniper]

Gotcha. I don't do cranium cooking much since bubo is in the lab helping everyone else level. But what's the general level for it outside of W5?

[vagrant mountain]

highest level you can 😀

[north juniper]

Makes sense

[vocal warren]

Is brew speed only for the bubble cauldrons or does it affect liquid too?

[granite grove]

if bubo not ready for active CC grinding, well just gonna wait it out slowly

10% is okay odds, 20% is where it starts to become comfortable

[sick sentinel]

brew speed from what?

[north juniper]

I think they mean from bubbles maybe?

Since the cauldron and P2W tabs are specific

[vocal warren]

Shaman busy brewin for example

[north juniper]

Ah. I might be wrong but I think it's specific to cauldrons only because the liquids are associated with regen speed.

And cauldrons are associated with brew speed

[sick sentinel]

i'd imagine that works towards just whatever cauldron you are in, but idk if it affects liquids while being in liquid

like purgatory said liquids go off of liquid regeneration bonuses

[grand karma]

is it just me or is the boss gear a bit worse than magma

ofc with the exception of boots + helmet for dr

[sick sentinel]

cranium cooking progresses liquids too if you are ever in need of some

and dont play bubo a lot

[stiff prairie]

seems that way.

[stiff prairie]

i think it's more of a question of "does brew speed boost liquids?" rather than cranium

[vocal warren]

So purple bubble 9 is essentially useless after the bubble cauldrons are maxed?

[sick sentinel]

its just an alternative way to get it if they ever needed some

[grand karma]

kind of but at the same time, there will be more bubbles in the future which the bubble allows you to get quicker

[sick sentinel]

some people dont realize that

[granite grove]

all stat % > dmg % so yes

[grand karma]

ya same thought

[granite grove]

dmg % is a w3 stat, while all stat % is w4/w5 and scales damn hard with alch bubbles

dmg % is now poopoo end game

i mean nice to have, but not when all stat is an option available lol

[vagrant mountain]

lava needs to add more multiplicative dmg %

[grand karma]

also jesus christ that divine scarf from kattlecrug is absolutely insane, just saw it now

[granite grove]

needs ×dmg instead of dmg%, like make it a w6 stat or sth

[grand karma]

25% all afk gain? gimme gimme

[granite grove]

imagine sth like x1.10 dmg or x1.05 DR tho

[vagrant mountain]

gonna need it if the worlds keep scaling the way they do

[granite grove]

inb4 w7 stat adds dmg^ stat

[hexed crescent]

w8 will have stats^ though

[granite grove]

would be nutty with existing 250 stat bubbles

also likely to overflow 64bit values too i think

[hexed crescent]

Haven't dmg already went over 64bit?

I think the multipliers added up is already a bit 'much'

[granite grove]

oh wait yeah it does, 64 bits is just 1.84e19

[thin rose]

He could always add more alchemy bubbles if needed

[north juniper]

Finally got my first 2 level 100 bubbles. Milestone!

[thin rose]

Congratulations!

[granite grove]

or if to circumvent number overflow issue, w6 might add mob defense reducing damage multiplicatively

then w6 stats for "armor penetration" to increase it back up to 100% or close to

but doubt lava would do sth like this tho

[sick sage]

yea vman on nightmare cattlekruk is gonna be a big gatekeep for 99% of people

thats gonna be a thing

[granite grove]

my mman is on 1st slot, oh no

[sick sage]

ye

gl with that

i had 200000m dmg

and it was not easy

[chrome tiger]

is it better teeth per key to do chaotic kruk instead of nightmare?

[sick sage]

prob since you can kill it alot mo9re

you do chaotic for neck/cape/obol drop

[chrome tiger]

yeah seems like it's much better

[sick sage]

i mean nightmare

but chaotic is prob better

for the amount of kills you cna do

[north juniper]

I'm assuming you want drop rate up or does that not really matter?

[sick sage]

drop rate is bis

yes

[royal kayak]

how do i get my divine knight orb kills over 160

[visual lava]

kill more

[royal kayak]

cant get more is the respawn or what

[versed cypress]

level up the talent so the orb lasts for as long as possible

[royal kayak]

willdoits at 150 rn

[visual lava]

are you killing everything on the map?

[sleek fulcrum]

Did parties get fixed for iOS in the update?

[royal kayak]

yes but the time just isnt enough

[visual lava]

what map are you doing?

[calm moth]

Having issues with samples, the 2x Lab bonus isn't stacking with the God, on a 25k sample, I'm only making 30k/h, when I should be WAY higher

Any ideas if this is something I can fix or a bug?

[kindred rover]

After reaching 200 in reducing cd my bubo went stright from 300 -> 370 in like a 2 days. Now I'm struggling to get any next level... Is 370 some kind of specific number?

[calm moth]

Think you need crystal mobs to go further, as they have boosted xp

[visual lava]

can you show a picture of your prints on IdleonToolbox

[calm moth]

No clue how

On PC

[visual lava]

the website

[lyric sequoia]

Oh hey I got a lucky lad from mindlessly clicking reply on chiz to 5 star the base card

1 more to go for scarf woo

[visual lava]

now get the other item

[kindred rover]

It's 1 in 198... It's not that bad on any non vman character...

[visual lava]

that's bad

[true obsidian]

!!!!!!!!!

[calm moth]

prob need the chip that makes them spawn when you kill one then

[rustic garnet]

is the mob respawn keychain worth it?

[visual lava]

nah you need more spawn chance

[rustic garnet]

1 in 198 is very, very low odds

you need to get that way way up if you want any good results

post your boosts to it

[visual lava]

Yesnt?

[rustic garnet]

?

[calm moth]

Ok, toolbox says boosted amount, now no clue if im getting it or not

was using idleon effecieny to check

[visual lava]

It's the best of its kind and at some point probably better than a low level afk% keychain

If your afk gains exceed 200%

[rustic garnet]

generally not 200%

[visual lava]

the keychains is good

dont know if it's worth the gems

but it's good

[ocean lily]

levels and talents ~roughly the same, would DK or ES be better for active farming cooking clogs @ purp mush? within 0.5 DR of each other

[visual lava]

candy

[rustic garnet]

Boy -- ES

[calm moth]

Think its just a display issue IG and on Idleonefficiency

[rustic garnet]

any non rare loot table drop is for ES, rare loot table is DK

[ocean lily]

ahhh that makes sense, cheers ty

[visual lava]

any pre-W5 candy

[rustic garnet]

you could also use candy

[ocean lily]

tru

[autumn rivet]

anyone know why toolbox is showing 0% nonconsume chance when I have crab cake card and lab jewel active?

[hollow wasp]

i can just sell these huh

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, easy to refarm when you need one

[hollow wasp]

i think i can just filter these off, is 2 silver for one lol

[calm moth]

Yea, most just filter how low area items like that, take up space and aint worth nothing

[ashen prawn]

Im at a really weird point in my game progression where i think im late mid game, close to late game but my damage is really bad, averaging like 4-10 mil on my good characters. Is there something i should be doing, or should i bare with the grind ?

[next locust]

Quick answer: alchemy (maybe sailing and cooking)

[calm moth]

Alch, Sailing, Stamps, Statues are likely the answer

Several Big Boosts from Sailing, Alch is HUGE for dmg, Stamps/Statues give base values, even cooking has some large dmg%'s

[hollow wasp]

btw should i start equipping all my chars with good gear? rn i only have my ES with "good" gear and my others are like meh 😄

[calm moth]

Yes

everyone should eventually have the best gear you can make, everyone should have tools, etc

[tacit tulip]

a few worlds ago it wasn't quite so drastic. Getting 10 chars with troll gear in w4 was the worst

with so many soruces of resources thiese days it's surprisngly easier to get everyone geared up later

[summer axle]

3 months ....................

[viral snow]

any chance someone with a character namen S... is here to get me the last star for cattleprod quest ?

[sick sentinel]

what server m8

[viral snow]

cog 2 w2 town

you are the man
thanks alot

[sick sentinel]

np, gl out there m8

[hidden sphinx]

Join my in the slow process to unlock the next one

[sacred monolith]

right there with you. Spamming the 1%

[hidden sphinx]

Same

At least it’s only like 100 for 1%

Kitsune makes it fast

[ashen prawn]

does the rng voucher build work anymore for dungeon? Do the bought enhancers also give the chance for an rng item?

[ember scaffold]

ah for fuck's sake, 1.) I didn't realize selling the frog would delete the bonus, which in retrospect is obvious, and 2.) my top tier treat will not let me get the most common pet any longer

rip 10% dmg

[rustic garnet]

I'll trade you my frog for your doot

[hidden sphinx]

Ribbety rip

[deep osprey]

From 23 mill

Is this optimal setup?

[ember scaffold]

deal

[quasi sparrow]

So what is best world 5 gem bonus to buy? I alerted bought this divinty one

[hidden sphinx]

Aren’t all mining cards passive if you got rift

And skill mastery

[hidden sphinx]

Probs a few chest slots then the gaming flowers

[deep osprey]

I totally forgot about that LOL

[hidden sphinx]

Go for the event cards lol, food boost and then if you got card slots left over then strength ig? Double shrine as well for the hp bonus

[north juniper]

So it seems like no matter what I do, my drop rate is capped at 5x

Any tips?

[solid python]

are you using the droprate chips

cuz they dont take you over 5x

[tacit tulip]

you're being capped kinda by a lab chip, that chip provides bfufs up to 5x

[sick sentinel]

if you have the lab chip on you need to make up the lent drop rate

[tacit tulip]

you need to be above 5x without the chip to break past it

[north juniper]

Aaaaah so it hard caps your drop rate at 5x overall no matter what you have?

[solid python]

no

[tacit tulip]

nah, more a soft cap

if you have 4dr, and 5dr with chips, you need +1.01 DR to break past 5

[solid python]

it just doesnt give a benefit above 5, so you can only pass 5x if you have natural droprate without using the chips higher than 5

to my understanding

[north juniper]

I think I semi-get it

[sick sentinel]

you can take off the lab chip and see what your actual DR is

[solid python]

me when im noob 🤭

[north juniper]

Without them I'm at 3.93

[tacit tulip]

so you need about 1.1 DR more to go past 5

[solid python]

yeah so you are going to need another 1.08+ natural drop rate to break 5x

[north juniper]

Should I keep the chips off then? Since with the natural it'll put me at 5 and the chips don't help above 5?

[tacit tulip]

the chips themselves will help you find other sources of drop rate

the usual progression here is to look at pop/dice obols for mega droprate

[north juniper]

Aaaaaaaaah

[solid python]

pop obols

[north juniper]

I get it now.

Much appreciated peeps

[solid python]

is there any way to farm those

lmao

i get like none at frogs

and its such a bad place to afk for anything besides that

[north juniper]

With obols is there a recommended one to break for frags?

Or is it just the ones aside from the ones you're aiming for at that given point?

[solid python]

i personally just do bronze/silver stat ones but idk if thats optimal

[sick sentinel]

active ES at bullfrogs is decent for pop obols

[tawdry steeple]

dk on sand pots nets most frags

[sick sentinel]

or candy on maestro with rerolls if you dont get one

[north juniper]

Sweet I'm there now so that's good. Just break anything other than pop and XP for the time being?

[tawdry steeple]

you dont get pop obols from pots but you get luck obols which are 9 each

[solid python]

so when do the good cogs start appearing 😭

[north juniper]

Thank you kindly. I'll do that for sure. My obols are kind of scattered so it's about time I aimed to get that DR up

[solid python]

i need to find some construction bonuses

STAT

[sick sentinel]

keep only your dk's on the cog board, throw the rest into the cog production slots

[solid python]

you can only put 3 in there cant you

[sick sentinel]

more cog production = better chaance at better cogs

yeah but you can do purp, red, gold

[solid python]

oh i thought purple is just the best

[solid python]

what are those metal ones there

void

[sick sentinel]

p2w

they spensive

[solid python]

o cuz i know about zen but i didnt ever see those

aye siege captain cap back on sale lets go

[sick sentinel]

each time you buy the gemshop cogs it comes with a small cog and a piece of zodiac

[solid python]

time to get a second for my other sb

😎

[sick sentinel]

lol

those respawn chains are good too

[solid python]

yeah 20% is a lot

that has a big effect on afk gain right

[sick sentinel]

ye afk fighting its big

[solid python]

since it multiplies with multikill

im actually stuck atm for a little while because my last vman chow is bloodbones

[stuck pasture]

Well now I know what hell is… constant chem cycles had me locked in gaming for 30mins 😂 84.8Q on katsuni

[solid python]

so either i need to afk multiple toons there or get enough damage to get some multikill

cuz 10k an hour is gonna take a minute

a few days for one area lole

i dont know if i feel that keychain is worth for f2p

[ivory warren]

anyone know how many of the new upgrade stones need to be succesful for it to be better than the old w5 upgrade stones?

[solid python]

thats a lot of gems

i think im still missing some world upgrades too so i think ill have to skip

is the upgrade prio in the xl or is it a chart

[sick sentinel]

ye unless you hardcore farm bosses for their gemdrops it will be tough

[calm moth]

those keychains are worth

[solid python]

i mean they are definitely a lot better than mine haha

[calm moth]

I'm waiting for a new bundle to drop

Maybe 2-3 Bundles, need like 10k gems 😛

[solid python]

lolol

[lyric sequoia]

Waow I did it

[solid python]

ah ok i found it, its on the xl

ok so zen cogs are actually important to get

[tacit tulip]

yeah, they used to be terrible but they;'re the best now

[solid python]

i have all ofthese besides the zen cogs

[lyric sequoia]

10k gems? no probs just lose your mind burning through 700 chiz keys

[calm moth]

Heh, I just wait for bundles usually.

[solid python]

actually i only have 1 royal egg

so maybe i get a second

[lyric sequoia]

226 keys back from 534 rounds of chiz, fuck running that any more

[solid python]

lolol

at least chiz isnt as bad as troll

[calm moth]

Need W5 shop stuff and new limited shop, so ideally he drops like 4-5 bundles with 4.5k+ gems each 😛

[tawny jetty]

lol I just freaked out....all my pets were gone when i logged into IOS

[lyric sequoia]

Anyone cold? I gotchu

[solid python]

i am ✋

[lyric sequoia]

Troll is easy, just 1 hit him

[calm moth]

God fuck troll, waiting to be able to 1 shot him

[solid python]

i cant one hit ctroll

[lyric sequoia]

Less running and less drops on troll so actually faster to burn through keys

[calm moth]

Why blue not green?

[tacit tulip]

they drop as blue

[lyric sequoia]

Which chiz you fighting that drops green 🤔

[solid python]

hahaha

yeah i can only do normal troll one shot

but you still have to play a minigame

[calm moth]

Isn't there a second version that drops green on one of the higher chiz?

[tacit tulip]

nah you craft it

[solid python]

and i always get unlucky and get coin flip and stuff

[calm moth]

Ahh

[lyric sequoia]

Got a lucky lad doing that mind numbing shit too, so half way to divine scarf at least

[solid python]

oh wow thats easy to make

i just need the blue scarf drop first hahahaha

[tacit tulip]

one of the best necklaces in the game tbh

[solid python]

i gotta figure out worship

[lyric sequoia]

Just gotta get like 20b damage more on my vman so I don't lose my mind on nightmare kattle

[viral snow]

did 100 chizos earlier no drop

[calm moth]

I have a few blue scarfs, got amorak wings 1st try lol

[solid python]

i feel like i get negative souls

even tho im good worship level

and i thought decent other bonuses

[calm moth]

T4 😛

[tacit tulip]

level has very little to do with it - max wave, food, and alternate buffs (see vman worship buff) are the source of your souls

[visual lava]

you're just like me frfr