Ofc, but xp wise and all that
#lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸
left harness
bold quiver
ohhhhhhhh EXP wise many people keep at least 1 natural trap with blob fish on
maestro if he is not 1st or not far ahead u can do more purple fishes
left harness
Mmh fair
viral snow
Same
I just cannot get those weird green fruits
bold quiver
OR there is somethng u could actualy do (i did cuz i found it easier), I sacrificed a few days worth of gains and used Natural full bloob setusp on everyone until they reached skill 75
or stop at yout desired skill
spiral nimbus
Does using big P for sampling goat characters increase accountwide afk gain?
bold quiver
never tested but it should
prisma drift
Man I’ve opened so many w5 card packs I don’t need kattle cards
Just to ruby them lol
woeful schooner
Is there any other stamps that gives 15 cash upgrades per mat upgrades beside the cooking stamp?
bold quiver
my setup to get last 2 plants to t6, hope it works
bold quiver
Is there any other stamps that gives 15 cash upgrades per mat upgrades beside th...
quest exp stamp
woeful schooner
quest exp stamp
Cheers
bold quiver
there might be a few others but i cant remember
runic token
saw someone in game with all of the new items, including the trophy and cape, they probably just cheated right? Does anyone in this chat actually have that those two already?
woeful schooner
Was about to whine about the just "exp" reply before you edit, ngl 
prisma drift
Had a character afk at tremor for 2 months
bold quiver
cant tell, i dont even know what is required to craft those things
bold quiver
whole set is easy tho
runic token
yeah but the cape and trophy is what i meant
woeful schooner
saw someone in game with all of the new items, including the trophy and cape, th...
Haven't tried yet but saw some recipes and they all look pretty easy if you already reached the end of w5
bold quiver
yeah but the cape and trophy is what i meant
what are the requirements
runic token
the cape is a 1/3330 drop from nightmare boss, and you get the trophy same time
bold quiver
ive seen worst odds
woeful schooner
quest exp stamp
Bruh I just upgraded it and it's only 10 sadly 
bold quiver
it might be pssible for some people to already have everything i''d say
bold quiver
Bruh I just upgraded it and it's only 10 sadly <:birbsweat:1110933868854378627>
oh man, unlucky D:
runic token
but the nightmare boss costs 70 keys, I just dont see someone running enough nightmares to get it is all
bold quiver
im sorry for misguiding u, i actualy believed it was 20
warped dove
Do biggole moles drop boss keys?
woeful schooner
No worries. It's still good to know
bold quiver
but the nightmare boss costs 70 keys, I just dont see someone running enough nig...
u can run 9 characters on bigole map and claim afk gains every 30min or so for 1 key each, then play ES at last map for more keys
but yeah, people cheat so who knows
next locust
Do biggole moles drop boss keys?
Yeah last 3 w5 enemies drop them. Later the enemy, better the chance
stoic verge
u can run 9 characters on bigole map and claim afk gains every 30min or so for 1...
How cheat?
How can you cheat this isn't it just drop rate?
vale wadi
How does rift slug work. Just got him and wanted to put some points in talents. But seems nothing is higher
stoic verge
You get them added automatically
bold quiver
How does rift slug work. Just got him and wanted to put some points in talents. ...
need 1 point, same deal as other extra points
stoic verge
So if your max lvl is 100 you get 125
vale wadi
Oww thanks!
sharp wind
bless lava
near goblet
bless lava
di- nic e
sharp wind
do i get the benefit of all minor bonus with doot?
pulsar cliff
well im stuck, my Vman cant kill nightmare cattlekruk
How much dmg does your vman have?
sick sage
76546M
pulsar cliff
Woof. I ain't close to that. Guess I'll keep grinding lol
pulsar heart
all 8 slots success on kruk stone :D
sick sage
gz
teal lynx
Goddamn. Never seen it this high. Unfortunately no second stat
pliant arch
rip
tacit tulip
right, close to fixing my merit issue. 2 achievements will make it so I can afford all kattle pieces
not that I'm strong enough for NM kattle on vman
idle fiber
is gear like this useful anymore with divinity?
opaque sun
The upgraded one is okay as a “might as well if im doing goat”
probably good to keep a pair on bubo when he goes to lab to help lab level a new character
idle fiber
how is that useful if hes the only one in the lab?
opaque sun
loot at bubo’s talent
idle fiber
yea ik they specialize in lab
opaque sun
he gives exp to lowest lab level char
idle fiber
im asking why go to lab if i can use the divinity perk
opaque sun
you do understand that goat only works if physically in lab
frosty pike
anyone beat nightmare kruk with Vman yet? need to know ~dmg i need to get to :/
opaque sun
its not like you get lab/div progress for being out of lab/altar
idle fiber
oh mb
opaque sun
You need around 50b minimum to take long time to kill kattle while manually killing moles while your void radius recasts
Need around 200b+ to just punch before moles arrive
frosty pike
thanks
fast imp
How many successful armour stones for the new ones to be better than w5 shop?
heady scaffold
How many successful armour stones for the new ones to be better than w5 shop?
more than average 
bright current
Need around 200b+ to just punch before moles arrive
so this isnt enough?
sick sage
no
opaque sun
so this isnt enough?
If you can kill moles without reaching kattle, maybe like if you can play for 4 days straight
sick sage
no its not
sick sage
anyone beat nightmare kruk with Vman yet? need to know ~dmg i need to get to :/
yes i did
these were my stats
spiral nimbus
never tested but it should
It does not, tested rn.
opaque sun
200b+ ish damage if you want to fight brainlessly
bold quiver
It does not, tested rn.
sad
opaque sun
50b ish is like possible, but fending off the moles can be real tedious and stressful
bold quiver
200B on vman, thats high
heady scaffold
100b+ enough if you manually cointoss mobs
sick sage
heh
spiral nimbus
Wait why kill the mobs?
sick sage
they heal the boss
spiral nimbus
Aren't they just to look cool?
opaque sun
the only mechanic of the boss
bright current
vaguely rtelated. is there a command for speed run strat?
opaque sun
Like it literally says in one of the merit task
heady scaffold
they heal boss, and vman has shit enough dmg where it matters
sick sage
yea with my 200b dmg, i couldt kill it before moles
edgy osprey
Molten perfection
sick sage
opaque sun
200b with enough talent in punches and void radius should do it
sick sage
hell yea brother
heady scaffold
meanwhile my bubo hits nm kattlecruk once and it owes me a couple hp bars 
spiral nimbus
Molten perfection
Looks absolutely hideous
edgy osprey
Looks absolutely hideous
Define?
sick sage
200b with enough talent in punches and void radius should do it
yea,m just the boss will heal a bit and then you wipe screen with void, and then get him down some more, and then he heals for a bit etc etc 😛
edgy osprey
The obol or my board?
spiral nimbus
Obol
opaque sun
Got 2 obols, 0 cape/pendant
heady scaffold
board not stat obols, disgusting too
sick sage
nice
opaque sun
I need 6 more hyper stat obols to fill family circle
edgy osprey
board not stat obols, disgusting too <:Grumblo:882122800620519475>
I wanted an actual chance at the drops, so it was necessary
sand pecan
Is the rock on or off?
spiral nimbus
Is the rock on or off?
on
sick sage
on
opaque sun
When its sleep, its off
spiral nimbus
That shell looks kinda cute low levelled
sand pecan
Should i keep it on?
spiral nimbus
If u want evos in your lifetime ye
opaque sun
kitsune is net gain as long you can keep up harvesting
spiral nimbus
weak echo
does all shrines work properly? i dont see difference in attack or hp
spiral nimbus
Maybe u have moai?
near goblet
does all shrines work properly? i dont see difference in attack or hp
have you placed it down 
weak echo
have you placed it down <:Soulface:852413823704498196>
they are all in town with lab connected to nod shrine world tour
spiral nimbus
so did u remove it and change map?
Most bonuses that aren't in a single wall of code need certain updates, for e.g. sailing artifact bonuses
weak echo
9/10 chars doing divinity to lvl up shrines and i am pushing w5, but i really dont see difference in attack and hp, other bonuses seems to work
near goblet
You swapped worlds and no difference in atk and hp? You sure you don't have Moai head?
prisma hornet
just reached w5 for the first time, should i put everyone on divinity exp gains?
spiral nimbus
just reached w5 for the first time, should i put everyone on divinity exp gains?
Depends, BB cooks, Mage pushes active, others div / lab
near goblet
just reached w5 for the first time, should i put everyone on divinity exp gains?
A: Put all 10 on Divinity and take a break from the game if you been rushing and stuff, dont get burnout
B: Put 9 and just do stuff on One
prisma hornet
ill do option A then since i rushed my way to w5
near goblet
Lazy peeps
Yes, do you manual combat though?
weak echo
You swapped worlds and no difference in atk and hp? You sure you don't have Moai...
damn thanks, i didnt se its bonus lol i got ancient form same day and all i read was ancient form bonus not the original one lol xd
spiral nimbus
Yes, do you manual combat though?
I have a life 😅
But no auto loot so I need to claim often
Otherwise I just afk
near goblet
calling us lazy then saying having a life >(
spiral nimbus
prisma hornet
what stuff affects exp gains of divinity?
opaque sun
div exp
spiral nimbus
what stuff affects exp gains of divinity?
Stamp, ES talents, style
opaque sun
Nothing much honestly
prisma hornet
oh so like lab
spiral nimbus
And statue
near goblet
w4 and w5 skills are usually just affected by +[skill name] exp%
opaque sun
divinity is a very very simple skill
umbral tapir
Question: there are quest items I never picked up for slab, and I've completed the quest on all characters. Reclaim item does nothing.
Am I shit out of luck? (Inventory bag d)
prisma hornet
i see, guess its just like lab
spiral nimbus
Very less min maxing it's very peaceful
opaque sun
reclaim item and drop on ground
spiral nimbus
Just style changing is all
opaque sun
Dropping item on ground is still the strongest way to register stuff
weak echo
I really hate how slow it is from there xd
prisma hornet
another question, does SB exp gain on all character stack?
umbral tapir
reclaim item and drop on ground
Reclaim item does not out the item in my bag to drop
spiral nimbus
I really hate how slow it is from there xd
Maybe u just need the good artifacts and better styles
prisma hornet
and does the chest loot passive stack aswell?
spiral nimbus
another question, does SB exp gain on all character stack?
Elite talents DO NOT stack
weak echo
Maybe u just need the good artifacts and better styles
all i need is money/gold bits to lvl up gains xd
prisma hornet
DAMN IT
opaque sun
All familywide buffing talents dont stack
prisma hornet
i guess no double maxed unending loot search
weak echo
all my drop is going into it
spiral nimbus
Unending early game...||lazy||
opaque sun
unending sailing is a sailing exp by the way. Dont use in hopes for better artifact chances
spiral nimbus
all my drop is going into it
it's worth for the 4x divinity
sick sage
im stuck on the second to last eldritch
spiral nimbus
and loot ofc
opaque sun
Despite what it says, its trading chest cap for more sail exp
prisma hornet
unending sailing is a sailing exp by the way. Dont use in hopes for better artif...
im just happy i get to do w5 stuff
sick sage
for weeks now
prisma hornet
oh
near goblet
unending sailing is a sailing exp by the way. Dont use in hopes for better artif...
Artifacts? what are those? Something along the lines of Molten mman weapon?
weak echo
now it is 201/h, progress
tacit tulip
so I might be doing a dumb, slowly whittling down NM kattle and, sometimes the moles heal from like half way across th e map, very annoying
opaque sun
kattle maybe feeds off moles remotely
prisma hornet
undying passion works on ANY afk activity, correct?
weak echo
how exactly it works? if i get worst chest but i set higher rarity, it wont deliver it and set sail again without giving me anything?
opaque sun
basically a net loss for using filter
sick sage
just hit 30k wis :>
opaque sun
And even more useless now that unending sail exists
prisma hornet
just hit 30k wis :>
the damage:
weak echo
we need B and T in damage description
sick sage
yupp
tacit tulip
pretrty sure you get T at 10T
heady scaffold
yeah in stat screen
tacit tulip
yeah, I've seen someone with T in stat screen o.o
weak echo
with so many numbers in description i dont even want to think how much dmg it is
heady scaffold
go look through my images 
sick sage
you been hitting that wisdom bubble for a while eh sapphire 😛
weak echo
i should finally take care of my maestro and lvl him to lvl 150, it is stuck at 120 from the vman update...
inland gyro
How early do you think it’s worth taking unending sailing or if you check often enough do you think it’s worth putting off entirely
heady scaffold
i should finally take care of my maestro and lvl him to lvl 150, it is stuck at ...
maybe
oops wrong reply
sacred berry
Any1 else stuck at Moles? Can't log in with my characters that are afk there
weak echo
but answer fits well
sick sage
Any1 else stuck at Moles? Can't log in with my characters that are afk there
nah
im good
sacred berry
Can log in with my other characters, but cant teleport to the Moles map
lost beacon
but answer fits well
Nope
sick sage
sadge
warped dove
1 quadrillion health on nightmare kruk
Hard to do on SB because of the moles that come behind. Easier to auto on a character with a bigger more consistent area of effect
heady scaffold
easier to just 1 shot on a bubo or something
tacit tulip
regret only having 60b damage
near goblet
doing my BM now, it suuucks
kattle is such a fun boss
tacit tulip
my third character is BB which feels like it'll be rough
jagged relic
I'm going back to do a W3 quest and there's like an invincible frog? And it doesn't let me attack him? How tf are you meant to kill him ? He has insane defence too
tacit tulip
don't remember hi being invisible but iirc you just gotta keep hitting it
meager lintel
I just got the chemical plant in gaming, is there a certain way to use them or whats most effecient
north pecan
anyone already got the last w5 boss task?
tacit tulip
some people have, probably the endgamers
north pecan
just how much damage do they have Lol! I barely even get 500b damage on my non voidwalker characters
tacit tulip
500b is more than enough
north pecan
just how much damage do they have with their voidwalker
tacit tulip
currently killing it on a 47b BM
north pecan
how does it take for you to kill the boss?
tacit tulip
longer than I'd like
I started about 30 mins ago 🥲
don't wanna waste the keys
so gotta finish what I started
tacit tulip
100b seems to be a pretty good benchmark to do it in a reasoanble time
north pecan
with 300m it still takes a bit of time with certain classes though
bb was pretty slow
warped dove
What’re the easiest ways to increase stone upgrade chance? The kruk stones are good but risky
tacit tulip
pretty sure the only source is guild bonus
warped dove
Ahh damn, my guild is garbo
tacit tulip
well it took forever, but 1 down
north pecan
hey it's a start
sick sentinel
Which char was that
tacit tulip
BM
frigid acorn
until vman come off 
oak bough
does the no more praying superbits gaming unlock still work for giant mobs?
So just add the prayer when active then I guess
oak bough
So not really worth my time worrying about it?
north pecan
getting a few prayers on at full even with debuff is still better than getting all the prayer at a fraction of the bonus tbh
oak bough
Good to know cheers
north pecan
the afk gain one is pretty big
tacit tulip
welp bubo did that insultingly fast
young yacht
Thoughts on the new armor? Is it better stat wise than the magma for anyone besides v-man?
north pecan
for context I'm getting this on my dk
frigid acorn
mob resapwn / afk gains
north pecan
this is at 450b damage no nobisect
to be honest I dunno how I got there. it just did after the recent updates
tacit tulip
the big damage gains come from crystal steak and the last class bubbles
north pecan
yeah. those are big damage buffs
plus the lava skull rift thing
eclipse skull. the one whereyou need 1billion kills on death note
jagged relic
All these buggy quests ffs! I can't do one it's just totally bugged. The one from Bill Brr where I have to pick up a coin
chrome tiger
nightmare kruk on bb = challenge, on bubo = 😴
chrome tiger
trying that now
north pecan
homing arrows deal a lot of damage anyway
chrome tiger
have people done it on vman?
chrome tiger
100b probs not enough
steady grove
bruhs, can blood bersekers even kill this?
jagged relic
My vman only has 1.3b
north pecan
100b probs not enough
yeah prolly with 200b
chrome tiger
kruk? i use keyboard move and auto attack to manage the moles between explosions
then get a few chops in between explode
jagged relic
Its a very, very, very poory designed boss imo
steady grove
do you think bubo is better at farming keys than es?
north pecan
I mean bubo kills faster than es
chrome tiger
es supposedly best
steady grove
yes, per kill
north pecan
I thought it only increase number of drops like multikill
steady grove
oh idk. its drop per wormhole. I farmed pearls on this guy really fast
so it must affect rare drop table too
stoic verge
What is the fastest way to get the dice obol?
steady grove
farm obols in w3 blood bones
lyric sequoia
So close to being done with this stuff
north pecan
dice obols are from 2nd world crystal mobs
steady grove
my mistake* world 2 shelbie on dk
lyric sequoia
ES DR only affects wormhole mobs which i what makes it so good at farming basic mats from them
DK is best at statues because its boost is global on kills
lyric sequoia
If you are doing w2 then sand pots are generlly better than snelbies
No, ES is the best to farm keys
umbral tapir
Working on slab. Is steam cap still available?
lyric sequoia
basic mats = any mat you see when you first click a mob card
Or in other words, anything the mob drops that isn't in the rare bags
sick sage
jagged relic
Why are the new wands getting even more reach??!?! Reach is awful
north pecan
aren't basic mats the 1st mat on the drop table?
sick sage
time to farm more keys
opaque sun
on wurms, the highest hp mob where es gets less wormhole kills is comparable to dk who gets like 800+ orb bonus
sick sage
wat
steady grove
do you think dk out performs bubo on farming keys
north pecan
dk is not that good on maps with multiple levels
prime ore
Hello
sick sage
hello
opaque sun
The over populated wurms offsets the 2 platform layout
north pecan
hmmm I see
opaque sun
Single platform is sure best for DK, but he is still fine on 2 platform maps
north pecan
good to know since I haven't leveled my dk much yert
lyric sequoia
There's no way bubo gets more keys per hour than ES 🤔
opaque sun
When it becomes like 3, 4 platforms it starts to diminish heavily
steady grove
so the question is, who farms the most keys
north pecan
so to sum it up.. who gets the best key drops
edgy osprey
Three more weeks of gambling later
opaque sun
Due to enemy’s HP and rather favorable layout for dk, dk and es gets around similar keys at wurms
Bubo is like 1/2 of their key rate
stoic verge
So is it better to do dk for obols or es?
I was doing dk before but it was really slow
north pecan
ok so what if I can 1 shot the worms with 1 tick of poison?
lyric sequoia
So it comes down to MK breakpoints then
north pecan
then bubo is better?
opaque sun
Obols from crystals are by far best on dk
remote sluice
Why does my crit rate lowers if i equip one item but get higher if i unequip it?
steady grove
pens and obols are good on dk
lyric sequoia
No, bubo is worse than them both is what topbird is saying
opaque sun
bubo gets 1/2 keys even at one shot
next locust
Where's that one guy who farms keys with BM, so everyone could agree with one thing?
opaque sun
And most kills are made from aura, not poison
tacit tulip
Why does my crit rate lowers if i equip one item but get higher if i unequip it?
the formula for agility -> crit changes at 1k agi. You're probably hitting the threshold and dropping slightly
north pecan
I think what topbird is saying that the worms hp is too big for 1 ick kill poison from bubo
so it gets slow
opaque sun
No
frigid acorn
no ,
north pecan
oh ok
opaque sun
Im saying wurms hp is big which ES doesnt like
north pecan
ah I see
opaque sun
More base HP means less peak wormhole kills
north pecan
so even with insta kill with bubo it's not that good at rare farming
opaque sun
bubo and DK doesnt care ebemy mobs as long its within ine shot range
bubo doesnt get any dr boosts
frigid acorn
if only vman gave lower portal hp scale buff instead lightning
opaque sun
He just gets pure lot of crystal kills
next locust
so even with insta kill with bubo it's not that good at rare farming
Even with instakill bubo has trouble with dr, since there is a slight delay on his respawn
So kills are not really instant if you count that in
north pecan
ok
opaque sun
Like maybe bubo kills like 2-3x more mobs, but that is far from the dr bonuses that DK and ES gets
remote sluice
the formula for agility -> crit changes at 1k agi. You're probably hitting the t...
So i need to keep it low or what?
opaque sun
Bubo gets the most money though since dr scales bad on money and its just better to get more crystal kills
steady grove
imo, mob respawn should be changed to density
north pecan
so es really does get dr from portals. the wording from the skill description is a bit misleading
opaque sun
Wormhole mob that appears from wormhole has higher dr
Wormhole mobs uses same drop table as normal mob
molten scarab
@opaque sun Hey man
north pecan
it just says drops per kill. not drop rate per kill so it's kinda misleading
so it just has a higher dr regardless of the number
?
correct?
opaque sun
lava wording of drops = drop rate = rare chance = drop chance
solid schooner
is there a soft cap lvl for gaming evolution
north pecan
oh I see
steady grove
i know what your saying.... but i noticed ez farmed pearls really fast too. which leads me to believe its good for rare drop EXCEPT that, it cant get the number really high on the last map
opaque sun
so it just has a higher dr regardless of the number
The dr bonus in mob gets bigger as the number on mob gets bigger
lost beacon
Yah for Strung Tooth Pendant. 🙂
frigid acorn
💢
opaque sun
That is why ES wants to reach bigger portal number for peak effect, and that is why he hates mobs with high base Hp
next locust
i know what your saying.... but i noticed ez farmed pearls really fast too. whic...
It is excellent for rare drops, as long as they are in the monster's initial drop table
Edit: nvm reread your message.
north pecan
The dr bonus in mob gets bigger as the number on mob gets bigger
ok but to be clear it's different with sb's pirate flag which only give higher drop rewards?
opaque sun
Lower the base hp of mobs, the wormhole mobs scales slower with its hp
sb plunder gives a flat dr on the plunder mob as stated on the talent
opaque sun
If talent says 3000% bonus, the plunder mob and just that plunder mob gets 3000% dr
Since you cant get crystal plunder mobs nor giant plunder mobs, its kind of meh for drop purpose
north pecan
I just wish that the spawn chance is a bit bigger
even with the vman skill it's a bit disapointing
umbral tapir
Is steam cap still attainable?
opaque sun
ES: has the best dr scaling mechanic, but only applies to normal mobs.
DK: has okay dr scaling mechanic, but applies to anything on map
SB: has bad dr scaling mechanic and only applies to basic mob
stiff prairie
And vman has best boss dr
opaque sun
DK orb will be consitent throughout w6+, but ES wormhole is gonna fall off in future worlds when they get more HP
stiff prairie
Since ES/DK cant scale in boss battles.
heady scaffold
vman might have slightly better dr, but hf farming nm kattlekruk on vman
stiff prairie
I need to get to kattleprod first
north pecan
we'll probably get bigger damage scaling in the future anyways so es is prolly gonna be fine
opaque sun
should aim like 200b+ damage to farm on vman stressless
stiff prairie
Then i can void run and unlock everything map unlocked on other chars
heady scaffold
much easier to 1 shot with bubo and lose a tiny bit of dr
north pecan
should aim like 200b+ damage to farm on vman stressless
Just a curiousity.. how do I get that much damage
stiff prairie
Stamps
Alchemy
Post office
heady scaffold
Just a curiousity.. how do I get that much damage
yes
lost beacon
It happens really quick. I was at 30B the other day and now I'm at 110B
stiff prairie
Im currently bubo punching for a minimum of 20m. And its only going up because im able to coin farm to upgrade stamps
north pecan
the last purple bubble also buffs vman right?
stiff prairie
Also orange i think
heady scaffold
only orange actually buffs vman iirc
remember hearing something about the purple one not actually working for vman
crisp silo
Just a curiousity.. how do I get that much damage
Steak
stiff prairie
Purple 21 buffs vman i think (%weapon power if i got the wrong number)
crisp silo
Steak pushed my 100m to 600m on vman
stiff prairie
Which steak?
tacit tulip
can't even imagine having 100b on vman ebfore steak lol
crisp silo
The one and only crystal steak
north pecan
I got eldritch steak though so I'm probably missing something else
stiff prairie
Dont forget cooking. Gotta get those turkeys
crisp silo
I had typo is 100m to 600m
stiff prairie
Also, int boosts boss damage, so +all stats are still benifitial.
And since vman never misses, overaccurace crit
crisp silo
My es went from 1b to 9b with ancient steak
hollow wasp
hi
undone steeple
is 350m dmg enough for ES to reach kattlecruck without much struggle?
north pecan
god I misread it as 100b to 300b lol
crisp silo
Last few alch bubbles have big big impact
crisp silo
god I misread it as 100b to 300b lol
Nah i edited it
north pecan
oh
stiff prairie
Last few alch bubbles have big big impact
And an even bigger impact with bubble 2
steady grove
who beat nightmare on bb and vman and what was your range
undone steeple
this enough to reach kattle without much struggle?
lyric sequoia
No
opaque sun
Vman on 200b for easy kill before moles reach kattle
opaque sun
50b ish vman is like possible, but takes too much effort to kill moles
north pecan
I beat nightmare with 400b damage bb and It was my slowest kill vman aside
lyric sequoia
Multikilling the zone before moles is the benchmark to not struggle
opaque sun
BB is not much an issue as it has enough aoe skills to wade off the moles
crisp silo
this enough to reach kattle without much struggle?
No u want mk to reach miner mole which is a few b
north pecan
I took more than a minute with 400b so you'd probably want around 100-200b
undone steeple
No u want mk to reach miner mole which is a few b
can you explain why? so far I haven't been struggling on of the mobs (currently on lampar only)
steady grove
200b on vman? wow! im at like 300m
crisp silo
It takes a few million for potral
undone steeple
I have time to leave it active for long periods, by no struggle I meant can I actually do it
crisp silo
Uhhh es should be fast
crisp silo
Maybe 1 dayish of actuve from purgatory
undone steeple
cause if its just killing mobs i can do it slowly over time
crisp silo
The quest is kill 6M miner moles
The boss battle has the boss on 250B if im not mistaken
undone steeple
giy?
opaque sun
the boss fight itself is a dps check
the quest is just one time keys which leads to a trophy for getting cape and scarf
The quest itself isnt needed to take on the boss
undone steeple
so I can do the quest without being able to kill the boss?
crisp silo
Yes
undone steeple
that's interesting, the quest rewards are pretty good
and the boss itself needs to do the challenges in order to get his gear
those I def can't do
crisp silo
Quest also does not give daily keys, i guess that dont happen no more
opaque sun
At your state, the trophy is far far away
opaque sun
As i said, the trophy quest requires cape and scarf
sick sentinel
Search tired on wiki
lyric sequoia
Oh neat my vman has 10b damage now
opaque sun
You wont be able to kill nm with that stat
quartz pollen
Does kill per kill affect mob drops?
opaque sun
And scarf means need to finish all merit tasks
quartz pollen
The talent and bubbles?
undone steeple
ah the last quest needs you to kill the boss, i see
opaque sun
Scarf recipe means need to kill nm on all characters
sick sentinel
Multikill does, kill per kill is deathnote purposes
lyric sequoia
What do the moles even do to kattle?
undone steeple
heal him
viral snow
heal
opaque sun
kattle ears moles to heal
lyric sequoia
Full heal?
undone steeple
goddamn the last trophy even needs you to equip the cape
lyric sequoia
So like the totems on amarok
lyric sequoia
It needs you to drop cape while wearing the scarf, so you need to have done all the merits
quartz pollen
Multikill does, kill per kill is deathnote purposes
multikill affects mob mat quantity but kill per kill doesn't?
Thanks
opaque sun
Kill per kill doesnt affect drops
Only multikill affects basic drops
And only base kills count for rare drops
quartz pollen
lyric sequoia
Wait the latter kattle merit provide 2 points? Oh that's less of a concern for completed merits then
viral snow
speaking of rare drops
why does this quest needs to be the way it is ?
https://i.imgur.com/tTdgTP8.png
remote sluice
Is there big damage diffrence in the power Orb? If my max lvl is 290?
sick sentinel
Never rly messed around with that talent
lyric sequoia
Odds on my vman being capable of doing nightmare kattle with 10b top end damage?
sick sentinel
Someone did 50B yesterday, im going to try my 30 some B maestro later
haughty path
multikill affects mob mat quantity but kill per kill doesn't?
multikill affects the first drop on a mobs drop table only as well as increasing the number of kills for Deathnote and Portals. Kill per kill only increases the number of kills for portal and deathnote afaik.
viral snow
Odds on my vman being capable of doing nightmare kattle with 10b top end damage?
better than doot i guess
opaque sun
as long you can one shot moles, theoretically you can do kattle as long you can do the fight for a long time
lyric sequoia
better than doot i guess
I have 2
gray crypt
Is kattlekruk dropping cards? I've fought him about 40 times and not got one yet.
sick sentinel
I havent had trouble getting cards
gray crypt
Just unlucky then! 👌 standard
gray crypt
Yeah I'm guessing lava doesn't want you maxing it out too quickly
cedar zenith
!gear
cedar zenith
?
sick sentinel
Ye the base kattle card is 1/1250 so its pretty tough
gray crypt
Ooft
lyric sequoia
Side grade
cedar zenith
im trying to get keys rn
gray crypt
Im one tooth away from the shoes.
cedar zenith
the kattlecrunk key quest is so hard
unkempt quest
the kattlecrunk key quest is so hard
Don't do the quest for keys
Just farm for them
cedar zenith
im at crawlers map
lyric sequoia
Keys are generally easy
gray crypt
I don't know if it'll be wort it but. Lava did this with world 3 armors. They ended up useless and you had too rebuild the original armors from the ground up.
cedar zenith
well i'll try to afk thenh
lyric sequoia
Compared to the keys you'd need to max cards? Nah fuck that, but keys are fine
I got 250 ish keys from 8/10 hours of active ES yesterday and I imagine there's a bunch of people getting way more than me
unkempt quest
Endgame some are getting like 60+ an hour
cedar zenith
im still trying to get the magma gear and i thought him reaching best gear then e drop this shit
wide bolt
!guide
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cedar zenith
wow i used a time candy and got so many
heady scaffold
cedar zenith
12 keys
gray crypt
The cheese needs to be nerfed badly. 10m each for the armor is brutal to farm
cedar zenith
guess im dumb thhen
opaque sun
magma is still best for damage and skilling. Kattle head and boots for dr, and kattle body and pants for afk combat
cedar zenith
im gonna fight kattle hcrunk then to unhlock th erhecipes
unkempt quest
wow i used a time candy and got so many
What
cedar zenith
i only have magma head and chest
lyric sequoia
The kattle weapons look pretty cool
If you don't have the magma recipes yet there's no point rushing kattle
cedar zenith
The kattle weapons look pretty cool
the staff looks the best
i just wanna defeat him
its kool y'know
lyric sequoia
wow i used a time candy and got so many
You can't candy world 5 🤔
unkempt quest
You can't candy world 5 🤔
That's what I'm saying
cedar zenith
72 hr i had one
lyric sequoia
You literally cannot time candy world 5 my guy
unkempt quest
Candies don't work in w5
lyric sequoia
Might not wanna accidentally out yoursellf doing something potentially sketch here 🤔
crisp silo
What is blud wafflin about
opaque sun
learn more about the game before doing something sketch and report in discord
umbral tapir
Guys, guys. I love obsessing over the new boss. But I need one of you nerds to tell me if the steam cap is still attainable, and furthermore, how do I get it?
heady scaffold
🍿
lyric sequoia
I don't know whether to risk my kattle wand using kattle stones or not 🤔
opaque sun
what steam cap
umbral tapir
what steam cap
Hat
opaque sun
Or you mean the steam pendant
umbral tapir
For slab
lyric sequoia
No you cannot get the steam launch event exclusive items anymore
umbral tapir
Fuck
crisp silo
I don't know whether to risk my kattle wand using kattle stones or not 🤔
90% of gamblers quit before they make it big
lyric sequoia
Ima call +12 WP and +6 main stat not worth the gamba on first weapons, maybe on remakes of weapons
heady scaffold
I don't know whether to risk my kattle wand using kattle stones or not 🤔
make 3 for the 3 mages, boss stone 2 of them, then w5 stone/boss stone the 3rd based off what you get
crisp silo
thats 300 hampter blud must be rich
lyric sequoia
+15b damage from weapon, pretty nice
unkempt quest
make 3 for the 3 mages, boss stone 2 of them, then w5 stone/boss stone the 3rd b...
Why stop at making three. Just keep making them till you get 100% upgrades on one
crisp silo
Why stop at making three. Just keep making them till you get 100% upgrades on on...
the gamblin mindset, i like this guy
lyric sequoia
Why can't I hold all these hampters
crisp silo
Why can't I hold all these hampters
follow the other guy suggestion, you clearly are ballin
lyric sequoia
Saving for that green vial yo
crisp silo
Saving for that green vial yo
nah gamblin>
lyric sequoia
wow a couple bubble clicks <:Grumblo:882122800620519475>
Ok not everyone sat chillin with 5T+ max damage tho
lyric sequoia
You got the fancy T on your max damage yet Sapphire?
crisp silo
5t i only got 10b max \
heady scaffold
You got the fancy T on your max damage yet Sapphire?
have had it for months now i think
crisp silo
what colour is fancy T dmg?
lyric sequoia
Damn, got the fancy T on min damage too?
lyric sequoia
You've got 100% mastery? I thought it capped below 100%
heady scaffold
no i dont have 100% mastery
crisp silo
lava when > 100% mastery?
lyric sequoia
Then why would min damage get a T when max gets it 🤔
crisp silo
Then why would min damage get a T when max gets it 🤔
it happens with M
lyric sequoia
Oh I see, you're not saying min damage hit 10T when max did, but that it doesn't mix the M and the T format together. Gotcha
opaque sun
100%+ mastery where mastery effectively acts as damage+
heady scaffold
except mastery caps at 80% iirc
tacit tulip
mastery caps but critting kinda gives you some passive mastery, which is why archers can often do the exact same damage every hit
heady scaffold
critting doesnt give mastery past 1b sheet dmg
tacit tulip
ah gross, explains why I only saw it long ago 😄
Can arrows mega crit yet? maybe that's why BM at kattle was so terrible
heady scaffold
afaik nope
tacit tulip
right, spent all morning/afternoon farming for slab. Gonna go have a nap while my ES gets me 4 lab rings for souped
lyric sequoia
Mastery should cap at 100% so that there is only 1 damage number
gray pagoda
except mastery caps at 80% iirc <:GuyMontag:859584397539278859>
I think it's 60%, could be wrong though
heady scaffold
barren pasture
when/will there be idleon for macs with intel chips
viral snow
when/will there be idleon for macs with intel chips
why should there be support for legacy devices
heady scaffold
I think it's 60%, could be wrong though
just tested, definitely not 60%
gray pagoda
just tested, definitely not 60% <:Grumblo:882122800620519475>
Ok, wasn't 100% sure lol. I either saw 60% for something else or just didn't remember correctly.
Most likely the latter
barren pasture
bc i know that a lot of people still own them as their only computer
narrow cloak
when/will there be idleon for macs with intel chips
can't you just get it off steam and run it through proton?
barren pasture
on steam its only mac though
narrow cloak
i thought you wanted it for mac?
narrow cloak
i'm on linux playing through steam, intel macs are basically linux too
sharp wind
what quest is this?
narrow cloak
but i guess it doesn't support proton out of the box
near goblet
what quest is this?
kill amarok and say sit noob
narrow cloak
you could just play through browser lol
it's a translation layer for running windows games on linux
barren pasture
well i dont have linux
and i tried the browser and once it got 15% loading, it froze there
i waited an hour and it hadn't moved a pixel
lyric sequoia
waow 3 star normal kattle, it's happening
reef bough
Where do i get the top right loot
quartz pollen
Where do i get the top right loot
first island
covert sphinx
i have 100 m berserker kills but i didnt get my stack of apocalypse chow... why?
barren pasture
is there any way to play idleon on my mac with an intel chip?
reef bough
first island
What i don't get any of that loot i only get 8k of the top left loot
quartz pollen
What i don't get any of that loot i only get 8k of the top left loot
It's a rarer version of the top left loot
barren pasture
wdym cloud save
opaque sun
i have 100 m berserker kills but i didnt get my stack of apocalypse chow... why?
Is that berserker the first BB of the family?
barren pasture
also will they ever make a port for macs with intel chips
signal osprey
i have 100 m berserker kills but i didnt get my stack of apocalypse chow... why?
It has to be done on 2nd BB if you have 2
opaque sun
known bug of first BB kills doesnt count for super chow
narrow cloak
is there any way to play idleon on my mac with an intel chip?
if you really wanna play maybe a vm or dual booting would work, but that's a lot of work
stiff prairie
known bug of first BB kills doesnt count for super chow
Do you still get super chow on the first BB, if you only have 1?
quartz pollen
What i don't get any of that loot i only get 8k of the top left loot
basically you just need to get lucky
opaque sun
If you swap out second BB to DK, it starts to count the kills on first
lyric sequoia
The only chance of lava doing a mac port of this game is if the third party he uses to get it on iOS can also do the port, which is probably unlikely given his sole focus on making money nowadays
hot bison
Has iOS not upd yet?
signal osprey
Not that hard to just use the 2nd BB though
stiff prairie
Thank god. i onyl have 1 BB because i decided to go for 4 mages and a second mman
signal osprey
Most of your damage is account wide
So let him borrow some gear and give him a couple talent books
Congrats hes as good as your first BB
lyric sequoia
Your account is just as locked with 4 mages and 2 beginners as someone with 4 warriors
tacit tulip
back from mini nap and...one lab ring. Quicker pls ES
opaque sun
Lava announced road map with further 3 elites + 3 elites
So having 2 mman sounds like troubke
near goblet
Lava announced road map with further 3 elites + 3 elites
More elites, why can't we just get Elite Promotions
lyric sequoia
Yeah that's a super elite per elite, which follows the class map that has been in the game for a long time
opaque sun
Calling it “elites” suggests its a branch of elites
signal osprey
The class map in game isn't particularly accurate due to size constraints
opaque sun
But then again its like “what happens to my elite swap?”
signal osprey
The info that was data mined suggests that the 6 elites are alternates to the ones we have now
tacit tulip
the wiki used to list the other 6 classes alongside the 6 we have
rather than as upgrades
signal osprey
So a barb would be a BB or a death bringer
opaque sun
Having 2 of same elites would be fine, but having 3 is potential trouble
And having 2 mman also potential trouble
lyric sequoia
Not sure what wiki you're reading, they were singullar paths after the elite branch the same as mman had 1 path to iman
tacit tulip
is how it used to be listed
it got changed a while back, but for over a year it was listed as this format
signal osprey
Not sure what wiki you're reading, they were singullar paths after the elite bra...
The wiki was changed to that fairly recently because ultimately lava can change things at his discretion
viral snow
is how it used to be listed
That royal guardian always looks like a duck to me
signal osprey
But what little info we have now suggests that it does infact branch rather than a tab 5 evolution
viral snow
Or some sort of chicken
tacit tulip
But what little info we have now suggests that it does infact branch rather than...
of course, we also know tab 5 should still exists - will be interesting to see what he does
My guess is tab 5 will be a global one kinda like how the first two lines of tab 2 are
bold quiver
ive been thinking about it but, does mob respawn help with monster samples on maestro speedrun?
tacit tulip
but it's all speculation until we get the next 3 elites anywat
lyric sequoia
It would make sense that they branch at tab 5 and we don't know 6 of the class names tbh, as that would require 3 more cahracters on an account to have all of them
unreal forum
how far have people gotten their gaming snails? getting worried about that reset
lyric sequoia
Given that there have also been 3 locked character slots for a long time
viral snow
It would make sense that they branch at tab 5 and we don't know 6 of the class n...
Having more slaves would be kinda neat i guess
I could see that as the path hes going
signal osprey
ive been thinking about it but, does mob respawn help with monster samples on ma...
Respawn helps with all combat samples
tacit tulip
there's also in the family list indication that each class has a gap next to it, with a large selection of gaps at the end
lyric sequoia
Hopefully w6/7/8 actually gives them something to do since doot gives 8 characters basically nothing to do atm
signal osprey
You say that as if not having doot mean they do have something to do
Sitting in lab
crisp silo
lab slabes
lyric sequoia
Lab
crisp silo
a tale as old as time
lyric sequoia
Lab is something to do with characters
signal osprey
So is gmush
lyric sequoia
As in, those characters have a purpose
signal osprey
Or wurms for keys/5k fam level
crisp silo
gotta get 1000lvl of div for that 1% printer
crisp silo
greenstack bone powder
lyric sequoia
With doot they have very limited purpose that runs out, without their use in lab never runs out
bold quiver
Respawn helps with all combat samples
Gotcha, and another question. When im doing my speedrun for max portal score, i should swap mob respawn for max multikill stuff right? so max multikill chips etc
signal osprey
With doot they have very limited purpose that runs out, without their use in lab...
Their purpose is literally always better with doot than without
Without doot you sit in lab
crisp silo
with doot u sit at lab and altar at same time
signal osprey
With doot at the bare minimum you can farm gmush for the rest of eternity while still maintaining lab
rustic garnet
what's the meta spice farming pet setup now?
crisp silo
what's the meta spice farming pet setup now?
has it ever changed?
tacit tulip
what's the meta spice farming pet setup now?
!guide has a list
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bold quiver
With doot at the bare minimum you can farm gmush for the rest of eternity while ...
Now thats the question. GMUSH or 1B everymap first with doot???? cuz thats some massive dmg from rift bonus right
frail mauve
Can anyone tell me why i can't see which bubbles will level up in alchemy? link to site: https://renbrian.idleonefficiency.com/
signal osprey
I would do eclipse first
bold quiver
Also, does anyone know a good level to stop pushing divinity for the minor link bonuses? havent ever checked the curve for that thing
signal osprey
And then afk farm wurms on everyone for 5k fam level and boss keys
crisp silo
eclispe gives more mk which gives mor gmush
rustic garnet
has it ever changed?
yes
tacit tulip
Can anyone tell me why i can't see which bubbles will level up in alchemy? link ...
I saw that wrong link 😛
signal osprey
After that gmush
frail mauve
I saw that wrong link 😛
shhhhhh
bold quiver
Sounds like agood plan while we wait for w6
signal osprey
Also, does anyone know a good level to stop pushing divinity for the minor link ...
Depends on BigP level but usually 100-110 is the goal
bold quiver
ohh i see, gotcha
rustic garnet
The new meta is 'no whales'
signal osprey
I just got like 80-90 on most though and use tranqi
bold quiver
yeah im only missing 3 to get to 80, they are at 75ish
lyric sequoia
Also, does anyone know a good level to stop pushing divinity for the minor link ...
Never stop, just enable tranqi and not care
frail mauve
you don't have the lab bonus active according to ie
but i do
frail mauve
tacit tulip
so it thinks noone is in
bold quiver
Never stop, just enable tranqi and not care
Dude, there is something weird with tranqi. My characters using that lvl up at different rates. For example, ive been using tranqi for ages on my maestro but he is only lvl 65. While other ppl using tranqi are at 72
signal osprey
ie probably isn't updated for doot yet
It never will be. Sludger has decided to not implement companions
tacit tulip
Welp, there's your answer 🙂
reef bough
Hi after lava post what happen to the comunity?
lyric sequoia
div exp multi friendo
rustic garnet
Lava thinks the 'community is fine and the true fans are supportive'
or that's what he typed in the blog
signal osprey
Well the steam charts have as many people playing now as it did the couple days before the update
crisp silo
said L+ratio to fans that disagree with him
bold quiver
😮
crisp silo
it went down by a bit?
bold quiver
that was cuz of vman update, people went crazy
rustic garnet
Sure -- but look where it dropped
bold quiver
so u have a spike of old player checking it out and logging off again
rustic garnet
I mean -- if you are going to blindly support a bold faced lie, you can say that
crisp silo
anyways anyone willing to donate a doot to me?
lyric sequoia
Except you can see that the spike from the last patch put the graph pretty close to where it was when pets dropped, so the loss over that 2 week period didn't mean a lot
signal osprey
Did you actually put your cursor over the peaks and check the numbers?
bold quiver
average is what matters lol, we dont care about spikes
signal osprey
The 16th is the day before companions
27th was a few days ago so no boss update
Game real dead
rustic garnet
it's not 'real dead' but we ABSOLUTELY lost a chunk of players
I can see it in my guild, which is the top guild
signal osprey
Yeah a whole 150
rustic garnet
we've dropped a lot
signal osprey
Steam charts literally have us at as many now as there was before
lyric sequoia
All your screenshot really shows is that the dropoff after a patch which spikes back a bit is his actual trend
bold quiver
rly old players hardly matter for any game
rustic garnet
you'd generally have that patch spike -- W5 boss should have brought players back too
he was constantly growing
signal osprey
June 27th was a few days ago
bold quiver
its a cycle, nothing weird on that grap
signal osprey
The boss patch is irrelevant to that
lyric sequoia
And the playerbase loss happened prior to pets, as the pet patch didn't spike numbers back to the vman patch
rustic garnet
he was blooming/growing/expanding
bold quiver
Ofc we had W5 release lol, bunch of impactful new stuff. W6 release there will be another spike in growth hopefuly
safe tangle
How much damage do you need for nm kattlecruk
bold quiver
U need to check the average my friend, stop looking at graphs if u dont have any idea how to interpret data
opaque sun
100b-200b for stress less fight
rustic garnet
I love your attempt to ignore numbers by pretending you know what you're talking about
it's really funny
lyric sequoia
Really all those numbers show is that he can probably weather future dips if he goes forward with gacha monetizion and pushes that further
signal osprey
May to June went up a whole 6% and then June to July is basically no gain or loss
rustic garnet
With a mostly negative review -- he's not going to get anyone knew to the game in steam
signal osprey
I wouldnt call that a massive chunk of players gone
Sure its a dip
But you're exaggerating how many people actually quit
rustic garnet
He was averaging massive growth
bold quiver
Do u know which people quit? the same the always quit lol
lyric sequoia
6-10% isn't massive growth
rustic garnet
per month?
bold quiver
games are run on new players, not old players
rustic garnet
6-10% growth month on month is incredible growth
signal osprey
Okay and so far hes has 1 month where he didnt get that
rustic garnet
games are run on new players, not old players
100% agree -- and now Idleon has a massive negative steam rating
granite grove
many casuals dont care much, but some top members like w1-w2 gen endgame ppl, decently sized YTbers, and guide makers are kinda gone tho
rustic garnet
you won't be getting new players now
lyric sequoia
And again, your stats actually show that the loss of growth is not actually relevant to pets, it has been happening since the start of the year
rustic garnet
I don't think so, this is a pretty stark down turn
and future prospects of new players are grim
he's now listed as a 'gambling' game too
signal osprey
No the tag is removed
bold quiver
expect that GAMBLING games are also the most played out there lol
rustic garnet
Oh he got it removed?
bold quiver
biggest ravanue, biggest monetization
frigid dirge
Hey, someone know if the proc of the god Omniphau when you claim afk gains you also gains time in 3D Printer, that print 1h for all character or just the one who get the proc ?
signal osprey
Also the recent reviews time out eventually too
So unless all the people mad about companions continue to rereview it that will pass as well
This update did more damage to the discord than it did to the game
The game is fine
lyric sequoia
Printer is account based, not character based
crisp silo
Hey, someone know if the proc of the god Omniphau when you claim afk gains you a...
all
frigid dirge
Thanks !
lyric sequoia
Omni triggers print same as regular time
plush gale
There's no reason to 3d print anything but copper/oak for atoms once you're done with the other ore/log vials, right? No dumb limit to the amount of atoms you can get?
bold quiver
game is the same lol. And only did dmg to old discord players, new players W1-W4 even mid w5 HARDLY care. they are happy with pets
rustic garnet
This update did more damage to the discord than it did to the game
I think it did a lot of damage to the game, and discord
game is not the same, absolutely not
signal osprey
From a player count perspective it is though
rustic garnet
you now have a permanent gacha mechanism in the game that has divided
literally lost 3k players
bold quiver
u reach crazy conclusions so easily man wow
signal osprey
Where the hell are you pulling 3k players from?
rustic garnet
He was up to 10k players
his peak player base
and it didn't return after ANOTHER content update
bold quiver
i dont know if u checked, but since the day companion update release, W1-W2-W3-W4 chat are the same as always, and people are actualy happy with companions there. Have u checked?
rustic garnet
the idea that people came back for one content patch, but not another?
lyric sequoia
Stop using irrelvant peaks lol
opaque sun
There's no reason to 3d print anything but copper/oak for atoms once you're done...
You also want to print bubble mats for hourly (per printer proc) bubble upgrades too
rustic garnet
i dont know if u checked, but since the day companion update release, W1-W2-W3-W...
rofl happy with companions?! LOL
bold quiver
what are u basing your assumptions on? u can check new players, they like pets
plush gale
You also want to print bubble mats for hourly (per printer proc) bubble upgrades...
Ah, fair enough, thanks. Sorry, still a casual scrub
lyric sequoia
You're using a peak from an unrelated point in time and ignoring that it was actually already trending down prior to pets
rustic garnet
Thats kinda brain dead ngl
Peaks per day over the course of many days
rustic garnet
You're using a peak from an unrelated point in time and ignoring that it was act...
disagree
bold quiver
im out dude, its not possible to discuss with someone so delusional. Jumping to conclusions with poor interpretations of everything
signal osprey
His daily peaks post companions are on par wit hthe ones in the week before companions though
lyric sequoia
Your real comparison is the peak from the day of the pet patch and the peak of the kattle patch
opaque sun
For example, i also print bleach to raise wis bubbles hourly, and also gold ores to raise “name i guess” bubbles too
signal osprey
That 10k peak was from vman patch
tight ridge
guys are the last bubble mats all from sailing?
signal osprey
And then it started to die down leading up to companions
rustic garnet
My comparison is whenever he had content patches you can see a massive spike
let me show you
lyric sequoia
You can disagree all you want, that doesn't stop it being correct that yuou're cherrypicking stats in order to bolster your side
rustic garnet
lyric sequoia
Oh fun, you're going further back to cherry pick even more irrelevant numbers
plush gale
guys are the last bubble mats all from sailing?
Except yellow, yes
signal osprey
Those last two spikes you circles are companions and W5 boss btw
lyric sequoia
Each patch is not equal
signal osprey
So game is still spiking
rustic garnet
except the companion one, that spike was basically the difference in lost
the dip in the patch for compansions erased the spike that normally follows any patch
that's the player loss
lyric sequoia
Without actually looking at the numbers, the spike from kattle looks bigger than the spike from pets, so welcome to the point
chrome tiger
kruk down with 50b damage vman, but it took forever, would recommend at least 100b
lyric sequoia
No, don't just take the numbers, do an actual comparison
rustic garnet
???
rustic garnet
ok sure
lyric sequoia
Raw numbers between spikes usually don't mean a lot because there are more factors
External factors
signal osprey
The thing you arent considering is that hes not going to keep hemorrhaging players though. That graph has shown a steady increase of new players over time and that trend will only continue whereas the player loss will slow down after most of the people that plan to quit have quit
fading dust
Ngl I enjoy the QOL of pets irrespective of Doot 
rustic garnet
6924 to 8341 for companion. 6670 to 7873
signal osprey
Guarantee you that 2-3 months from now the graph will look the same as it did before all this started
fading dust
I play on iPhone and had to switch because my pets were missing
high hearth
Is there something more I can be doing? Kattlecruk keeps healing like mad and I can't stop all the moles.
signal osprey
Assuming nothing else major happens that would impact it
signal osprey
No one said it didnt dip
We said it wasnt a big loss
Which you were claiming that it was massive
rustic garnet
I'm saying if the companion patch didn't hit, we'd be above 10k again
signal osprey
And I'm saying that you're crying over nothing if you think not hitting 10k this patch means the game is dead
The game is going to move past this just fine
gray schooner
whats the optimal god link setup?
lyric sequoia
A 2% difference, which in the world of statistics you call "variance"
signal osprey
Gotta keep in mind how small of a minority this discord is to the playerbase as a whole
rustic garnet
And I'm saying that you're crying over nothing if you think not hitting 10k this...
Where did I say dead? I said it's in trouble
signal osprey
Thie discord is fucked but the game is fine
fading dust
Thie discord is fucked but the game is fine
Agreed
rustic garnet
A 2% difference, which in the world of statistics you call "variance"
It's not JUST the 2% spike difference, someone asked for a comparison
fading dust
We lost a lot of contributing members
signal osprey
Even saying its in trouble is an exaggeration
signal osprey
Yeah but all the people that are butthurt over companions to the point of quitting have done so
Its not going to be a continual loss
rustic garnet
I don't think so
signal osprey
Yes new players will always keep coming in
rustic garnet
Because what you're seeing is people residually logging in
gray schooner
would you mind having this discussion in another channel so actual questions arent getting buried
rustic garnet
but not engaging like before, it's hollowing out
fading dust
My point has been: We've lost the growth up trend
Just because there’s a local uptick/downtick doesnt predict future trends
rustic garnet
would you mind having this discussion in another channel so actual questions are...
Yes, I would mind, thanks
lyric sequoia
I asked you for the percentages, yes. A difference of a 20% spike vs an 18% spike can very easily be thrown aside as variance in a trend
rustic garnet
No, you said you thought it was higher
the downward trend is the total numbers I've pointed out already
gray schooner
No, you said you thought it was higher
why are you being an ass for no reason
lyric sequoia
I was looking at a line on a small image of a graph without clicking on it and making an estiamte, what's your point?
rustic garnet
why are you being an ass for no reason
Someone said something, I did the math, showed it was incorrect. That's not being an ass, that's talking and discussing
rustic garnet
I was looking at a line on a small image of a graph without clicking on it and m...
You made a statement, and I showed it was wrong, that's all.
lyric sequoia
Cool, good job. Doesn't help your notion that lava/the game is in trouble over it or anything
rustic garnet
I fully, 100%, disagree. And that's where we can leave it
gray schooner
whats the optimal god link setup?
anyone have an answer for this or can link me to relevant resources?
gray schooner
yeah, any real advise?
rustic garnet
Nope
lyric sequoia
The variance of the spike is so close that the idea Lava was putting out there that the gacha backlash actually hasn't done a great deal in terms of his player trend tracks well with trends
fading dust
yeah, any real advise?
Check guide “!guide”
warped grail
check guide and tips and tricks
halcyon basalt
Is an upgrade from Magma -> Kruk armor worth it?
rustic garnet
not really
fading dust
yeah, any real advise?
It will depend on your unlocked gods though
lyric sequoia
Yes raw numbers went down. Guess what - the numbers were tending down before pets, so you cannot put a notable blame on that being pets
rustic garnet
it's pretty mediocre overall
fading dust
Yes raw numbers went down. Guess what - the numbers were tending down _before_ p...
Agreed
rustic garnet
Yes raw numbers went down. Guess what - the numbers were tending down _before_ p...
disagree, there was an overall upward trend
halcyon basalt
not really
is that a reply to my question or others?
rustic garnet
is that a reply to my question or others?
aye, it's not got % stats
which is really bad
lyric sequoia
Your own screenshots literally show the trend going down over time lmao
rustic garnet
focus on the weapons
gray schooner
It will depend on your unlocked gods though
i have purrmep unlocked. so probably all the gods i'll need?
halcyon basalt
i aint even unlocked them yet lul
rustic garnet
Your own screenshots literally show the trend going down over time lmao
The trend was clealry up
fading dust
disagree, there was an overall upward trend
Idk I disagree
rustic garnet
lovely cherry pick
That's a CLEAR upward trend with variance, until the last patch
let me draw you an arrow
spice void
none of this sounds like w5 nor does it sound helpful please measure epeen elsewhere
livid gulch
id be ok with losing 1 more player and you dropping outta here @rustic garnet
lyric sequoia
The trend was clealry up
A very upwards trend lmao
teal lynx
Can all of you just shut up? You are in W5 Chat arguing about Playerbase. U wont convince the other so please take it to DMs or Gen-chat
dire flower
none of this sounds like w5 nor does it sound helpful please measure epeen elsew...
Downfall=Doot=divinity=w5
lyric sequoia
Welcome to gen chat 2 my guy
ivory tusk
I wonder if he'll ever do a free gems contest again
fading dust
i have purrmep unlocked. so probably all the gods i'll need?
Ah yea, then it’ll depend on what you want to do with ur char. I got all my skilling guys on Nobi unlocking portals to access higher level skilling mats
rustic garnet
