lategame-chat-w5🌋-w6🌸

[pulsar heart]

whats the best way to farm for the 1m plunderous achieve

[tacit tulip]

citringes, probably

[pulsar heart]

kk

[tacit tulip]

wurms would be better for exp but SB struggles on maps with lots of platforms

[hollow warren]

lava ded

[vernal iris]

[craggy quail]

lol?

?ban 1121318516562350110 ban/mute evasion

[verbal canyon]

bentpickle#8820 was banned. | ban/mute evasion

[craggy quail]

?ban 344908098491777044 mute evasion

[verbal canyon]

Bent_Pickle#4237 was banned. | mute evasion

[dapper prism]

I wonder, do people really not have anything better to do sometimes?

[craggy quail]

no, they dont

[fallen torrent]

^ +1

[noble hound]

How much damage do you need for rift 44? 60 score on es portal. Im at 120b and cap at 54/60

[fiery mason]

neat had 500 just yesterday lol

[visual lava]

better talent levels

[noble hound]

Ive spent almost $200 and no doot lol not spending more until there is an update from lava

[outer fox]

This is wild.

[mild wadi]

$120+ and no doot for me. Not spending any more money I've spent a bunch til now

[outer fox]

Needs more doot

Still wild and you should t say that about someone even if they did ruin your game. Remember HE made it lol.

[fiery mason]

i bought the pack, wont gamble more and regret even getting that

[outer fox]

You have solidified me not getting it

How many pets you get though?

[mild wadi]

Careful chicken, mods are banning and muting so quickly these days

[outer fox]

Work internally first to fix that.

[fiery mason]

i mean i got some decent stuff out of it i still hate the update

[outer fox]

Also keep in mind Lava is the one muting a lot more then the mods here

[outer fox]

He watches the chats

[atomic kiln]

1B left for god rank 3

[outer fox]

Lol albeit not often but he is around from time to time

[outer fox]

Did you buy the pack?

[dapper prism]

Mhm wondering if this is worth it?
Would replace something like a 30% speed or loot
https://i.imgur.com/uHqsKxS.png

[fiery mason]

it just sucks that he sold out so hard, i love this game i wanna keep playing it and i want to support the dev but not like this

[atomic kiln]

if ur speed is crazy its good

[mild wadi]

If he just put a pity system, with minimal dev work for more pets he would've made so much more money over the next couple months

[gleaming prawn]

does multikill help with regular monster loot?

[atomic kiln]

nope

[versed cypress]

only the first common drop

[dapper prism]

Fastest boats are around 25-45m
Average at around 10-15m
Got like 3-4 that are 3m

[gleaming prawn]

i farming normal loot for alchemy

[fiery mason]

add methods to earn 500 free green per week + let us buy pet with blue gems once rotation rolls over that way ppl who spend still get benefit of early purchase

[versed cypress]

i recomend farming with ES for it you will get the largest ammount of loot

[atomic kiln]

as long as u can travel to where u want in 2hours witjout speed boost on ur captain its good

[gleaming prawn]

with dmg or multikill cards?

[atomic kiln]

im sure ur gonna be muted soon lol

[dapper prism]

I mean, nearly done with sailing xD
The only one that will take a bit and have some issues is the last island 😦
https://i.imgur.com/JITiTZR.png

[gleaming prawn]

hi there

[versed cypress]

depends, if your dmg cards help you reach a new mk tier, or you need them to farm the portl enemies easier then have the dmg cards if not use the mk cards

[dapper prism]

Hi! Been a while 🙂

[gleaming prawn]

ok thanks

[versed cypress]

np and good luck

[atomic kiln]

i dont hate lava, i dont hate people. but im questioning why he has done this, and why we havent heard back from him

[mild wadi]

He just doesn't care. Bro sold the bag

[versed cypress]

i mean if you guys really think that then i guess its time to move on since the game will no longer apeal or be fun to you no matter what he does right

[zinc torrent]

My opinion on it is:

[zinc torrent]

I like your pfp :0

[mild wadi]

It's fairly easy to remedy the situation, he just doesn't want to

[atomic kiln]

tomorrow its been a week, im kinda hopeing for him to leave some kind of message, explainnation etc, its like waiting for an update lol

[versed cypress]

easy no, but there are plenty of ways yes, not everyone will be happy no matter what he does,

[zinc torrent]

What if he just posts a meme and doesn't elaborate? I kinda expect that :0

[versed cypress]

but in the end you all seem to have already made up your minds to the point where even if he were to fix this it wont change your opinion on the matter

[atomic kiln]

well then i have my answer

[deft grail]

wont be fixed unless it's completely removed

[versed cypress]

so well.. i just cant really wrap my head around using so much energy just to go out of your way to being toxic on a matter you have already ade up your mind

[mild wadi]

Its easy to fix in terms of dev and comms time, and appeasing 90%+ of players is better than pissing off and ignoring 100% of players

[deft grail]

so yea we at an impasse

[royal warren]

at least some people are still sticking around looking for any excuse to stay. Lava's absence is robbing them of even that.

[zinc torrent]

At first I thought the pets were completely aesthetic

[zinc torrent]

Like no benefits just some fashion pets to waste $ on. If it went to that only may be fine?

[deft grail]

I think Lava honestly grew to genuinely disdain his playerbase

[median pawn]

chickenstrips hit the slot machine for doot and missed. Looked at his credit card statement and immediately came to discord to cry

[atomic kiln]

yeah, its been a week and it is what it is, cant change it, but i hope we can get more information and a clear roadmap

[deft grail]

thats the most rational answer j can come up with as a supporter of maybe 3 years now

[versed cypress]

nah removing it is not the solution, the outrage of the community is not because of the pets or the bonuses, the outrage is because its a part of the game, a rather big part bonus wise, that is locked behind a p2w FOMO system, with no pity, no spending limit system and no f2p system to guarantee you can get all th ebonuses in a timely manner if you play

[dapper prism]

I hope we still get content 👀

[pliant elk]

I've just been here waiting forna response

I've stopped playing but

[zinc torrent]

When I was 13 I took my grandma's wallet and bought some online currency for TF2 boxes.

My ass will never forget the beating it earned. And that's why I don't loot box anymore. (Also didn't get my hat I wanted)

[median pawn]

lol 🤡

[deft grail]

even if Doot were free, it's a horribly overpowered bonus and I would be very annoyed anyway

[brazen cliff]

Royal Sampler prayer worth maxing?

[deft grail]

It feels extremely out of place in W5 where we dont even have the boss yet

[versed cypress]

i mean wouldnt you when the messages you get directly from the player base are like what you are seeing here??? up to death threats??

[deft grail]

It's a W6 bonus minimum to make W5 passive while we work on new features

[zinc torrent]

I think cosmetically doots cool. Maybe he could make the "buff" side of pets a weekly earn able thing. Like link it to the lab skill or something.

Or God forbid.... pet breeding...

[atomic kiln]

i like the bonus from doot tbh

[pliant elk]

Every day that goes by I lose more respect for him

[cunning holly]

We will. He made good money off of it, and while a large majority is upset, it's not the spending majority. And then there are plenty of F2Pers just trucking along, because there are/were plenty other aspects of the game that they were locked out of due to the amount of time they would have to wait to get there otherwise.

[median pawn]

bro it takes a little over a month to get into W5. What do you mean worthy lmao

[versed cypress]

i do agree that DOOT shouldnt have come out at this time, it should have been a bonus that came when w6 was out so you can make w5 skills a bit more redundant and less the focus of gameplay

[deft grail]

well no, people are always weird like that. Every dev would hate their player if this were true

[atomic kiln]

its op and nice, i didnt have any other areas to gain much from as i m late gamer

[pliant elk]

Most of the endgame whales jumped ship

That definitely had an impact

[sand chasm]

real

[mild wadi]

Or got banned

[cunning holly]

Sure they did.

[pliant elk]

Oh

Youre one of those

[zinc torrent]

I loved Diablo 3. Didn't play Diablo 4 cause of the cash mechanics.

[pliant elk]

Same difference tbh

[versed cypress]

what cash mechanics on D4???

[pliant elk]

[cunning holly]

The cash mechanics for aesthetics only?

[atomic kiln]

they left cus they didnt wanna support/spend x amount of cash. thats fair, i spent 25$ and got doot

[brazen cliff]

I'm a loser with a doot, still not sure if I qualify for w5 chat

[zinc torrent]

I'm a idiot I ment the Diablo immortal game

[versed cypress]

ahhhh yeah D imortal is just one of the worst cash grabs

and the worst part.. its still making BILLIONS

[cunning holly]

Oh yah. Totally fair. I DID watch the twitch stream where home dude was at like 15k trying to get a legendary gem.

[zinc torrent]

Blizzard killed my stupid Heros of the Storm then tried to rob me with Diablo immortal

[mild wadi]

Lava quit to become lead GachaBoi at Blizzard

[zinc torrent]

I play leage of legends now and it's so toxic it makes me wanna die (in minecraft) half the time

[versed cypress]

500k streamer that whaled so hard he locked himself out of content cause there was no one at his level then sued blizzar to try and get his money back

[zinc torrent]

Like morals aside, I don't understand how the laws about that stuff don't do more to protect consumers.

[versed cypress]

laws are changing but its way too slow a process

[pliant elk]

At least they didn't take your breast milk

Fucking blizzard

[mild wadi]

Sell it on onlyfans, subscribers get nudes and breast milk

[cunning holly]

In what way though? I get protecting underage consumers, but if we let people spend money on collectibles, cigarettes, booze, and other dopamine rushes, why not gambling? Addiction is a horrible disease, but so is diabetes, and the only people that can protect themselves from either of those, is the individual with the problem, ultimately.

[vapid wraith]

Do I sense discord text chat gatekeeping?

[pliant elk]

Lol just don't be addicted

Literal braindead take

[cunning holly]

It's a braindead take to think thats what I was saying, but please... go on with your bad self kiddo.

[pliant elk]

Uh huh sure

Anyway

[brazen cliff]

Ahh, sounds like I should be in endgame then

[calm yew]

Does anybody know if anyone got a doot from a free spin?

[vapid wraith]

Hey that's me.

[pliant elk]

Few people did

[versed cypress]

well yet another afternoon of ppl going at each other throats, good to see this place never changes

[versed cypress]

yeah a few ppl did

[zinc torrent]

Tbh I think the other terrible things you mentioned are worth regulating more positively too.

My dad smoked and drank and died as a result of it. He was well aware of the risks but it was the only thing he felt added flavor to his mundane life.

The economy is what all human lives are valued against. And it sucks that drugs, alcohol, and many similar things are all the less fortunate are given to add variety to life.

I myself try to help other young people my age pursue hobbies and get away from those kinda vices. But for sure it's hard. I have my own addictions for certain things so I 300% get It.

(I live 2 miles from a casino actually lol)

[atomic kiln]

nah never, im not end game and im one of the most powerful players (who still plays)

[zinc torrent]

Hey. Person.

I think your cool and I appreciate your level headedness and positivity.

[calm yew]

My luck doesn't run like that. If all the bonuses from all the free pets are applied at the same time I don't mind the free pets! Heck I don't mind the free pet at all 🙂

[versed cypress]

thanks i try

[versed cypress]

yeah you do get all the bonuses of pets regardless of which pet is following you

[zinc torrent]

Bored bean ftw

[versed cypress]

as long as they are on your pet storage

[versed cypress]

bored bean gang xDDD

[calm yew]

Bored bean is the one I got also!

[short fulcrum]

i wonder what lava is doing rn

[zinc torrent]

They are such a happy little family

[zinc torrent]

Here we go again x3

[vapid wraith]

Hot take:
Idleon is a battle royale.
Each shite dev decision is the circle closing more.
Whoever quits last wins.

[pliant elk]

Yeah keep playing a game you don't enjoy to win

[brazen cliff]

I just cracked 100m oak sample, makes me Kind Of A Big Deal now

[calm yew]

I really don't mind. I'll take all the little bonuses I can get. My main is level 358 I think and only has two areas left in world 5 to go and I'm only doing 58 million damage I think! Obviously I'm doing something wrong 🙂

[short fulcrum]

i'm not playing anymore i just want the drama

[pliant elk]

To each their own

[vapid wraith]

So just like a battle royale then.

[zinc torrent]

Plot twist: all of lavas earnings were spent rolling for Doot on his alt acc

[cunning holly]

Completely get you there. But regulation doesn't necessarily help the individual find a new jam either. It's definitely worth offering the help to steer people away from those options if they choose to take it.

I'm just not sure how you'd regulate it in a way that isn't denying someone the freedom to do/spend how they want (in the instance its not hurting somebody else, which all of them CAN do)

[pliant elk]

Damn you right...

[short fulcrum]

wow, why is everybody responding all of a sudden?

[atomic kiln]

lets talk when u have 1b sample 😄

[pliant elk]

Drama

[brazen cliff]

That's the joke

[versed cypress]

alchemy and stamps will be your answer as to why you seem to have such low dmg

[atomic kiln]

i know 😄

[vapid wraith]

sailing as well tbh, few of them artifacts have multiplicitive damage pretty sure.

[versed cypress]

sailing does help, tough its not as impactfull cause its just rng to get it

[zinc torrent]

Yeah for sure. I think it's helping people understand the basis for their addiction.

With smoking, for some it's oral fixation. For others it's the motion of smoking. For some it's the intake of oxygen with flavor.

My dad for example drank because "no one is my friend when I am sober." So his social anxiety and isolation drove him to drink.

I don't think so much regulation as actual help understanding one's vices is needed. 

But mental health care is DOG WATER in the USA. 

I can't even get health insurance cuz no job will hire me full time yet I work too much for state care. >.> it's more rigged than doot I swear on god

[calm yew]

I'm spending a lot of time with sailing and gaming bits. The artifacts and the other little bonuses do help me. And you're right I know alchemy is my biggest problem as far as the other stuff. I didn't understand it at all when it first came out so I just let it slide

[short fulcrum]

i want to open lava's laptop camera and literally see what he is doing rn

[brazen cliff]

My account is barely in the top 20%. Effectively impossible to ever catch up.

[zinc torrent]

Omg I want sheepie next for the all bubbles active thing

[pliant elk]

Honestly while gachas are scummy I have more of a problem with the fact the game wasn't one then became one

Which is dangerous for some people

[calm yew]

@zinc torrent I saw that one too!

[atomic kiln]

i made this today lol

[royal warren]

Especially since it was marketed as NOT being a gacha/p2w game and thereby became a refuge for those who have addiction problems and were trying to avoid temptation.

[zinc torrent]

I myself thought this was a PURELY COSMETIC update.

I didn't know it had effects I just thought I got a cool bean.

Slipping that in on a surprise update caught me way off guard. I got out of gambling during my TF2/CSGO phase a few years ago.

Its hard man.

[languid wyvern]

is there a coloseum in W5 ?

[zinc torrent]

Fell behind on a rent payment thinking my check was gonna be bigger than it was then missed a few days of work.

[versed cypress]

mind if i borrow 200k of that xDDD

[zinc torrent]

Covid beat my mother loving booty and boss man said "we don't over covid pay bro."

[atomic kiln]

if we could trade np

[versed cypress]

xDDD

[atomic kiln]

didnt u have doot?

[versed cypress]

hahahahahah no i have a bean xDD

[zinc torrent]

Doot lives in the hearts and minds of every man woman and child of idleon

[vapid wraith]

Really depends on whether or not you have a gamba addiction.

[versed cypress]

and im reserving my judgment on either supporting or not based on whatever happens next with lava etc

[atomic kiln]

bean is such a lovley bonus 😛

[zinc torrent]

He's so cute bro.

He's my spirit animal

[versed cypress]

bean is cute xDD honestly im more interested in sheepie and the ram bonuses than doot at the moment xDD

[royal warren]

Looks like we may not get a response. It has almost been a week. Did doesn't take long to hammer out a sentence on a keyboard. We do it multiple times per day.

It doesn't*

[pliant elk]

My point wasn't that gachas are evil. I've played a few. But they are inherently somewhat scummy. But yeah I have more of a problem with surprise im a gacha now like you do

[versed cypress]

yeah we dont know whats going on with lava, the only official response we got was from one of the mods to ocnfirm that lava is indeed working on somethign to adress the situation but thats about it

[calm yew]

I thought I might be the only one that wanted to be able to use the storage chest from quick reference:)

[zinc torrent]

Seems he can't give a defence tbh. I don't know what he could say to satisfy the situation comfortably.

[atomic kiln]

mindset of true warrior

[versed cypress]

i have characters with over 90+ days of afk claim gains xDDD so i need that storage from anywhere to make sure i dont lose anything xDDD

[pliant elk]

Problem is the first word he should've chosen was not silence for 5 days

[royal warren]

Don't worry! Idleon will crash and take it all from you anyways. No stress.

[pliant elk]

Honestly I love ... Loved? This game

[zinc torrent]

I can barely go the 30 hours for the candy without needing to check my characters lol

[atomic kiln]

why do u have that?

[pliant elk]

So I'm sticking around to see his response but the silence is making me rather jaded

[pure spindle]

Was there a hidden reward for being afk for tons of time without going on a character? Or is my brain makin that up

Like 120 days+ or something?

[atomic kiln]

36 hr i think

[zinc torrent]

There's an achievment for 1 week afk

[pure spindle]

I wonder what im remebering lol

[calm yew]

You do get something for being AFK for quite a long time doing nothing in town

[pure spindle]

Ty though

[mild wadi]

I'll trade you on my f'n 11 sheepies

[versed cypress]

honestly, cause first work was a bit too demanding and i couldnt really dedicate tot he game so i started to just claim on 1 character for dailies, then i lost some interest in putting too much effort, i havent done rift or vman at all, and with this , ijust decided to wait it out

[pure spindle]

Yes this

Thats what im thinkin of

[zealous niche]

There’s also the w1 task, but that’s cumulative afk time

[zinc torrent]

If those sheepies are fn you gonna have a lot more than 11 soon

[calm yew]

I know it's under a year. I just can't remember how many days

[zealous niche]

Three claims of a day are equivalent to one three day claim for the task

[atomic kiln]

wow, im kinda surprised ur still around bro

[zealous niche]

Week like was said

[versed cypress]

i still like the game, and hoestly rift and vman did got my attention to the point where i wanted to come back in furce but work is still going on crazy so i coudlnt really put the ammount of time xDDD

[zinc torrent]

Unemployment is Hella demanding for me tbh

[pure spindle]

Gotta work so you can grind doot 🐱

Just a lil 2k drop

Who needs rent

[paper sail]

Or just play without Doot, same as you've been doing since you started

[radiant geyser]

At least you can get a Vman 😭

My nutto kills aren’t registering in DN

[versed cypress]

hahah nah xDD i get to work for many other things xDDD doot is not really in the cards for money xDD at most i would get the pack to support cause the gems are good the cape and green gems are baiscaly free on that pack

[atomic kiln]

the good thing really is that this is still a idle game without leaderboards... so as long as u play the game and do what u like... who needs doot really

[pure spindle]

🤣🤣 i know i was joking, i hope nobody spends that much though ppl alr have

[versed cypress]

pretty much, but its still a nice bonus to get xDDD

[versed cypress]

some ppl cmae to say they spent around 1.5k some close to 2k.... no doot

[pure spindle]

At the rnd of the day it only affects late gamers a ton

Ehich sucks for em bc idleon has a lot of em

[sterile sundial]

Yeah, who needs the thing that makes a large portion of game significantly easier

[pure spindle]

But yes the majority is generally unaffected

The majority itd be a downgrade imo solely bc you experience lower worlds less

[versed cypress]

i mean , does it makes the game easy, yeah, do you NEED it to play no, we have been playing with out it just fine before

like its nice to have but its not a NEED

[radiant geyser]

I would like to see those receipts though.

[pure spindle]

Sure you get big buffs, i dont think id enjoy blasting through w2 in an bour

[versed cypress]

inthe end its what ppl say, wheter true or not, who knows

[pure spindle]

Enjoyed the month it took more

[radiant geyser]

Very true, but a lot of people used it as their basis to argue.

[paper sail]

Some people act like Lava broke into their account and stole progress

[shrewd nexus]

started a gaming session on 6k nugget, and in the same session got 13k -> 26k -> 33k !

[radiant geyser]

Not saying there weren’t people who did spend an absurd amount though

[versed cypress]

ohh for real, but still we do know the system has no spending limit which is a problem in on itself

[calm yew]

Not sure if I'm asking in the right channel or not but when setting up the attack bar do I put the attacks that take the longest to refresh first or the ones with the short amount of time?

[radiant geyser]

I got lucky within 80. My limit was 150 but beyond that I would have just stuck to my original plan.

[shrewd nexus]

put the highest priority first, it goes in order left to right when checking them

[strong crag]

Got 2 doots and everything else with 40, so maybe luck was just stupid

[versed cypress]

doesnt really matter, but when you auto, the game uses the attacks in order from left to right, priority goes to buffs then attacks

[paper sail]

Attacks are used based on being off cooldown from left to right. If multiple are available, left-most gets used first. So order by priority

[royal warren]

Priority order. The one you want to always be used off CD goes first. It uses them from left to right.

[calm yew]

Thank you very much everybody 🙂

[lyric sequoia]

You don’t need receipts when it’s literal maths and easy to work out the odds and cost. $1799 is the amount to have a 99% average chance to get it

[shrewd nexus]

is that accounting for the % changing as you level up?

[lyric sequoia]

That is with tier 5 from the start

[mild wadi]

48 rolls for this on day 1

[versed cypress]

yeah i think its accounting the cost and % from tier 5

[strong crag]

Ouch...

[versed cypress]

yeah a lot of ppl got really unlucky

[shrewd nexus]

jesus, so its actually an under estimate

[radiant geyser]

Eeeh no. Doing the math is fine. I have no issue with that. It’s the claim that people have done so. Those two are separate in of itself.

[versed cypress]

yeah we dont really have any actual bank statements with the numbers to show they really did it,

the math says its more or less average like that

[deep oxide]

I got exactly that with just the pack. I imagine $200 might be enough to get something new...

[radiant geyser]

Right

[versed cypress]

but i doubt anyone would expose their bank staements on a random discord

[shrewd nexus]

doots not even that great, kinda wish i had got ram on my free roll

[versed cypress]

at least i hope ppl dont do it

[lyric sequoia]

You don’t need bank receipts lol, that’s what statistics are the for

[versed cypress]

ram and sheepie have more utility for more ppl than doot massive bonus

[lyric sequoia]

$400 is 25% chance to get it btw

[summer gyro]

I have a game called 'world of tanks' to tell you about

[radiant geyser]

I was honestly content with ram on my free pull. My goal was ultimately CC. But alas that’s the only one I didn’t get.

[versed cypress]

but doot massive bonus is somethign late and end gamers wanted a lot

[radiant geyser]

Yeah that budget is for Kafka in HSR when she drops

[lyric sequoia]

I don’t know what that is

[last citrus]

Honkai star rail

[lyric sequoia]

But “other games have worse gacha” isn’t a good argument for accepting it anywhere

[royal warren]

It makes me really, really sad to see that spending so much on games has become so normalized that people are budgeting hundreds of dollars for gacha.

[versed cypress]

i mean i have seen the debacles of many gacha games, so i believe ppl can go overboard badly... i just have to look at the ammount of money ppl dump on things like CSGO

50k for a skin of a golden rifle

[coarse parrot]

There’s a reason devs keep putting it in

[versed cypress]

because its stupidly super profitable

[radiant geyser]

This beauty

[versed cypress]

i mean youjust have to see diablo imortal

[summer gyro]

Sadly the csgo knives collections have been outperforming the S&P 500 the past 2 months lmao

[shrewd nexus]

tbh i got priced out when packs went above $10, when they were 5 or 10$ id buy to support dev, but $30 packs for an idle game, wtf?

[lyric sequoia]

Because it makes money by preying on people with addictive tendencies yes. We all know why it still exists

[radiant geyser]

When it’s a minute fraction of what you earn, it really isn’t any different than budgeting for anything else.

[versed cypress]

the biggest scandal of them all... millions in attempted lawsuits from content creators etc, a proven predatory and very scumy cash shop and hidden preimum currencies... and its still making billions for activision

[radiant geyser]

As long as it doesn’t interfere with the normal life expenditures then it’s just part of your entertainment/fun budget

[lyric sequoia]

Except that isn’t the situation for a huge amount of people

[versed cypress]

yeah bugetting for ppl with spending habits is not really a possibility

[lyric sequoia]

“Just don’t gamble lol” is another bad take that minimises addiction

[versed cypress]

and gabling addiction is quite a crippling and dangerous thing

[summer gyro]

And that's why today's discord chat is brought to you by stake.com

[radiant geyser]

Oh absolutely. And believe me it took time to learn the skill. I wasn’t always like this.

Hell I even brought it to counseling

[versed cypress]

nah i know ppl with even normal spending habits that can get sucked up in overspending by a massive ammount cause the packs were priced cheaply so they didnt noticed

[radiant geyser]

5 bucks here and there adds up for sure

[royal warren]

To emphasize this even more here is the story of an addict for a different gacha. I think it made the rounds on here earlier this week. https://www.reddit.com/r/FFBraveExvius/comments/7jmezv/a_whale_of_a_tale/

[versed cypress]

thats what gambling and spending addictions do to you, it just makes you not notice untill the billcomes at the end of the month with a spent budget 100x more than what you tough you did

[lyric sequoia]

Pro tip: if gambling practices doesn’t work on you, you aren’t the target audience so can never relate to people actually caught in the trap

[radiant geyser]

Yup I remember that

[versed cypress]

exactly, if you can restrain, budget, and properly spend etc, gambling tactics with no spending limit on anything.... you are not the target of those

its like the sotry for the FIFA kid

that unknowling spent over 60k of their parents money on 3$ packs over the course of 2 months

[lyric sequoia]

That’s not quite the same, but still a huge problem

[versed cypress]

yeahbut the kid was addicted to the game, and was constaly trying to pull his fav players

[royal warren]

which brings us to another facet of this predation - it specifically targets a younger audience.

[lyric sequoia]

And why casinos and other regular gambling is heavily regulated and 18+

[versed cypress]

3 dollars at a time over and over and over

yeah which is why anything that have any sort of RNG prize in gaming needs to be regulated with a pity system and a spending limit which guarantees you get everything you are offering

[lyric sequoia]

Children do not have any notion of the money they are spending, precisely because it is very often dressed up as not money they are spending

[radiant geyser]

It doesn’t target anyone specifically. It wants anyone and everyone.

[versed cypress]

its like a broad range scam email, it doesnt target anyone in particular it just wants to reach the biggest audience in hopes a few will fall

[radiant geyser]

One could even argue those older have more money which means less thoughts on whether it’d truly an issue.

[lyric sequoia]

Of course the classic misguided response to that fifa story was that the parents shouldn’t have had their card registered on the kids account

The real issue was that it was possible to spend that sort of money in a game that had an ESRB rating of 3+

[versed cypress]

i mean id say its both side, the parents should have paid a bit more attention but still,, the game shouldnt not even allow anyone to so easily just make purchases

[shrewd nexus]

i mean your not targettng the kids money, kids are poor, you are targetting the parents money, becuase the kid will beg and they might cave. there are defintily kids games out there that encourage spending

[royal warren]

I love how often they defend the indefensible by attacking the victim.

[radiant geyser]

See now that is an issue for sure

[lyric sequoia]

If your game can be played by 3 year olds it should not contain gambling

[versed cypress]

because as far as i know there wasnt even some sort of check

it just processed the transaction instantly

and FIFA and EA got in mayor legal trouble for that

[lyric sequoia]

Sorry reword a bit - if you specifically make your game buyable and rated for 3 year olds, it should not contain gambling

[radiant geyser]

The statement from @lyric sequoia is definitely on point. Rate it appropriately at the very least. As a parent I pay attention to any ratings then delve deeper on other resources

[versed cypress]

indeed, but then again we know how much the rating system works now a days, but yeah if your game contains any form of gambling no matter how "inocent" it seems it should be rated and regulated acordingly

[royal warren]

Idleon was rated E. It now contains gambling.

[radiant geyser]

As much as I love the conversation. It’s game night with the fam, have a great day peeps

[royal warren]

later Prism. Have fun!

[shrewd nexus]

i dont think thats the case though, so while i agree, its in a sense irrelavent, since it is happening

[zealous niche]

Crush them over monopoly

[versed cypress]

and if the RNG gambling is here to stay that rating needs to change

[lost depot]

True regulation would be an option to buy the pets individually and up front, and a choice to either use real money or gems. That way nobody is confused as to the exact value of their purchase

[stiff prairie]

Don't quite "forget them". Once u have the 2nd god unlock and linked, you can put everybody into lab (although they won't gain exp) while also in divinity so u get nblb triggers

[zealous niche]

If you didn’t need money to activate the rng gambling the tag could come off

[stiff prairie]

I have no idea how long ago that comment was, chat didn't scroll. Edit: casually 3 hours ago... and it's a ping.

[versed cypress]

you can also leave it a bit of rng on what you get but say you do not get any duplicates untill you get all the pets once, then you can get duplicates if you want for trading latter in the games life for ppl that might have missed on that particular rotation and dont want to wait for it to come back

[royal warren]

Between that and bypassing Apple's TOS it really feels like he doesn't care about the future of the game.

[zealous niche]

Let’s do the time warp again!

[royal warren]

or at least didn't think it through

[lyric sequoia]

It’s fully ironic because companies like the ESRB were specifically formed because the gaming industry was at risk of government regulation, so they were the industry solution to “self regulate” which got the government off their backs. Now their self regulation is proving to be wholly inadequate

[versed cypress]

the apple thing was shown to be a situation where he knew apple would take a long long time to approve the new currency and wanted ppl on iOS to not miss on the starting of the pets, but it got out of hand with what happened

[summer axle]

what are all the multipliers for printer? like hariep and lab doubler

[royal warren]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stewart-mild-shock-shocked-shock-mild-gif-5292523

[versed cypress]

2x from lab and 3x from harriep

[summer axle]

im so confused isnt the sample supposed to become purple

[dusky holly]

its fun

[lost depot]

That stuff is fine as long as you can also just pay one time to skip the RNG entirely. Obviously Idleon is just a game, but generally we shouldn't settle for half measures and mild regulation. Until we can buy pets individually for blue gems then this mechanic is straight predatory gacha

[versed cypress]

you also get extra % from one of the saling artifacts and from the skill mastery from rift

[summer axle]

cuz I have someone in a lab with harriep and in the lab but the sample is only a star

but it was purple yestery

[versed cypress]

obviously, you either get 11 free rolls trough 11 weeks (more than enough time on a 4 month rotation) to get all the pets, or you can buy gems to instantly buy all 11 pets for a set ammount of money an dyou know thats all that it will cost you to get all your pets day one of the rotation

[versed cypress]

visual bugs mostly

[paper sail]

Should be purple, but sometimes the color itself will flicker back and forth between yellow and purple visually. The printed amount should still be correct, but verify for yourself if you can

[versed cypress]

the biggest issue with the current system is that there is no spending limit and nopity mechanig for both paid and f2p ways, so it doesnt work

[lost depot]

Oh yeah, thats kinda how Dota 2 lootboxes work. That would work decently in Idleon because the pet bonuses are always active, like you can't get any useless/redundant pets. In other games though if you gamble for a skin you don't like then that's almost entirely wasted money which sucks.

[versed cypress]

yeah but a lot of games when you get a skin you dont want from an RNG source you can tiehr change back into currency or trade it

here we cant even do that, sure you can dismantle douplicate paid pets, butthey go for so little that its not even worth it

white pets that cost you 100-250 to get dismantle for 5

[lost depot]

True but these mechanics are predatory. You generally lose some value by dismantling, and it further obscures the actual value of the content you've bought

[versed cypress]

ohh yes they are totaly predatory as they are right now, and the have to be changed, a lot the entire system needs to be changed fromt he ground up

[lost depot]

I shouldn't have to gamble to buy the stuff I want

[versed cypress]

yeah it shoudlnt be a gamble, it should be a play of RNG in the sense of which one will you get first, not how much is it going to cost me to get them all

it should be like oh i spend 20 bucks and that guarantees i get all the pets

[lost depot]

Like games should be allowed to have all the RNG stuff they can think of, as long as there's an alternative store where I can pay once to buy whatever I want, whenever I want, for real money. No FOMO, no currencies, no RNG

[versed cypress]

or i just play the game and get one pet each week and in 11 weeks i will have them all

its a bit like the RNG for artifacts and aming nugget

its not a matter of how many premium items i need to buy to get them, its just a matter of when i roll the RNG for it

which costs me nothing

i know if i paid X ammount i would get it guaranteed

but i canjust not pai and still get it

but these pets... no even if you pay you dont have a guarantee of anything

hell you could get the worst possible luckand just roll all white and maybe 1 green pet

[fiery mason]

Imagine It would Just be cosmetics Like in DotA 2

[true obsidian]

where i can farm golden bread?

[fiery tangle]

is it possible to get more than 36 plants in the plant book? dont find anything on 5th evolution... does it exist or not yet?

[true obsidian]

you just unlucky

[sick sentinel]

w3 collo

[gilded vault]

5th and 6th are there

if you got those it's just a question of time and luck

[green eagle]

it's a super bit

[true obsidian]

and remember there are 6th and 7th evol too :)))

[gilded vault]

7th is so far away from me 😄

[fiery mason]

yellow means only 3x print right ? idk why its not pink they are in lab

[sick sentinel]

i doubt anyone that is legit has seen a t7

[sick sentinel]

if lab is connected it should just be a visual thing

check IE and see

[true obsidian]

blue = lab, yellow = god, purple = both

[sick sentinel]

sometimes it bugs out and doesnt show purple when it should be

if everything is set up right u still get the right amount

[lyric sequoia]

It shows as yellow with doot, but it is 6x

Oh actually maybe not. It was yellow at first but I guess a cloud save fixed it and I never noticed

[mild wadi]

Gg can never do this because lava ran away

[shrewd nexus]

is it worth starting on the w6 content, or should i just focus w5 till im done with sailing?

[vivid garnet]

W6? Lol

[atomic kiln]

the year is:

[shrewd nexus]

its a known visual bug, double check your stuff is set up right then ignore the colours in 3d printer

[shrewd nexus]

at least i know im not the only one that sucks at the mini games then

[mild wadi]

I think I completed one of them early but on mobile so didn't count, gave up after that

[sweet island]

Are the divinity gods unlocked in a set order? New to w5 but gave it a couple days in the divinity afk , and managed to get the snake at 100% . Next up is bear apparently. Will it always be the case or should I ensure I roll it at 100 too? Sorry for phrasing

[shrewd nexus]

dont wait for 100 to roll, thats not even going to be possible as the options you get are random

[obsidian flicker]

roll the small one until you get 100 as a choice

[sweet island]

I might not fully understand how it works , but I meant like - burn 1% or low% chances until the highest % chance shows up and just wait until I have enough.
If I fail a 1% on the bear, will it be a different god on the next « pull » o try or whatever it’s called ?

[shrewd nexus]

you are always rolling to unlock bear

[sweet island]

I honestly didn’t notice if the first was always the snake , but I just burned 1% until a 100% showed up on my first god

[obsidian flicker]

god will not change until you get the current god

[sweet island]

Thank you !!

Feeling fortunate to get the bear fairly early Into it then.

[covert rover]

its a set order yes

[shrewd nexus]

the average cost to unlock doesnt change much depending on which percent you roll at, but the varience is much larger on small percents, so you might luck it fast or you might wait longer

[barren otter]

if im green stacking mob drops on active ES what cards do i use? drop rate?

[obsidian flicker]

damage

[sweet island]

Appreciate all the help , thanks again

[barren otter]

oh just pure dmg

[shrewd nexus]

always dr, because the portal bonus on ES is multiplictive, so even a small bit more dr makes a big diffrence when you get like times 20 from the portal

[barren otter]

was thinking this

cant hit next multikill with dmg cards atm

[shrewd nexus]

yeah that looks about right, also the elephant head healmet is dr too

or one of the boss helemts is, i think its the elephant one

[barren otter]

yup

have that on too

[shrewd nexus]

nice, and make sure to have your SB dr% talent buff leveled up

[barren otter]

not sure if im missing anything else

[shrewd nexus]

but 10dr is decent

[barren otter]

have these for chips atm

[barren otter]

LOL well you see i have less than 500 SB plunderous kills

so not much there to begin with

[shrewd nexus]

tbh id grind SB up to a few thousand before you green stack then

will get you to 11dr

also if you have the chip that doubles keychain you can get a bit dr like that ... cant tell if thats the pendant or keychain chip you have on

and... dont foget shiny pets give dr. ok i think im done

[barren otter]

thats pendant

missed the keychain one cause of lack of items

[barren otter]

ig i should do this actually since i have the vman talent for flag now

citrines probably a decent spot to farm those out?

[shrewd nexus]

assuming you have enough dmg yeah, you can de-level the talent that boosts up the hp/exp of plunderous if not

[barren otter]

yea my SB is at 2.6b

no i lied 1.6b

still 1 shots

[shrewd nexus]

ah really that one shots a plunderous? nice

[barren otter]

uh tbh im not actually sure

[stiff prairie]

The downside to rift slug: SB

[shrewd nexus]

anyway enjoy your 11 dr

[barren otter]

i could get DR higher a bit too

been too lazy to farm out pop obols for personal...

[shrewd nexus]

how tf you on 10dr without pop obals?

[barren otter]

i have dice on personal too

just didnt finish pop on personal

[shrewd nexus]

ah ok, decent family obals

Dk farms obals like they are nothing

[barren otter]

i did farm out the last sparkle and hex dice too

but for some reason even at 10 dr farming pop is still super slow

so just never went back to finish it

[shrewd nexus]

ah yeah its a bit slower, dice obals get handed out like candy, but yea pop is still a grind

anyway looks like your set pretty good for green stacking

[barren otter]

fragging dice obols to reroll the current dice obol

[shrewd nexus]

im greened up till w4 wurms, but was getting a bit slow around there

[barren otter]

yea i was farming TVs for batteries for bags

noticed greenstacking the remotes was pretty fast

figured finish off W1-3 cause ive ignored it till now

[summer finch]

Oh I overshot the superchow a little bit

[fading dust]

Should I use chakra or focus for my stance?

[lyric sequoia]

omg yes it's woodchip again this week, my ES and SB no longer need to share

[barren otter]

actually have more SB kills than i remembered, i probably wont gain much more from it at this point right?

[summer finch]

It's a lot faster than it was before

10k pretty quick if you have the vman upgrade.

[barren otter]

yea i do have the vman upgrade

[lusty wedge]

Put everyone on alter till you unlock bear, then put bear on all your normal lab dudes and keep them on altar focusing on divinity and not exp until you unlock goat (other non lab dudes can go push elsewhere at this point). Then once you hit mantra and goat, stick lab dudes back in lab with mantra to get everyone exp. Then wait till everyone is divinity 40, then do that prayer from there

[barren otter]

is there a kill count where it starts to hard dropoff?

[summer finch]

Nah it scales as much as any other pow10, but it's simply a matter of wether it's worth your time or not

DR is one of the strongest stats in the game so I'd suggest at the very least 10k.

[barren otter]

fair enough definitely dont mind letting this run for a few days or so tbh

[summer finch]

I hit 100k recently and am going to 1m cuz I... don't have many things to farm

[fading dust]

Getting goat seems like its gonna take a long time 👀 400 for 1% with me only getting 4pts/1exp

[barren otter]

hitting 11 DR would be great

[lusty wedge]

Keep doing the low percent roll until the 100% pops up and do that. Later gods before goat also have boosts to divinity point gain for gold, bit, or coins. Which boosts divinity gain. Still takes a while though, which is why you use the bear good to get your lab dude back.

[fading dust]

Gotcha, so majority of my chars gonna stay in div then 😵‍💫

[barren otter]

i kept all 10 on div till i hit goat it was very boring

[lusty wedge]

Just like a majority of your players were in lab on world 4...

Unless you get a lucky roll and have the doot pet... but i probably shouldnt open those wounds here again

[fading dust]

Wish there wasnt radio silence tbh

[zenith fiber]

He should probably remove the customer support channel at this point

[fading dust]

Thas all I want - dont care about how strong Doot is

Keep it F2P

Ya it wont be fun to need Doot/specific pets to progress through later content

[zenith fiber]

2 people start playing at the same time, they compete against each other.
1 gets doot the other quits the game

[fading dust]

Idk I dont care too much anout competition

Just want rest of the content to be accessible

[sharp scroll]

u still need to reach w5

[fading dust]

Thought you didnt

[cursive flare]

It's an mmo competition and progress are like the main driving factors for lots of people

[sharp scroll]

1 sec

[zenith fiber]

Yeah but alot of people do and without the community this game takes a massive L

[sharp scroll]

i did the test

[cursive flare]

Yeah how far do you have to get to unlock them?

[grand karma]

so ur saying it works without unlocking w5?

sorry nvm

reading hard

[sharp scroll]

it doesn't

[fading dust]

Tru

[sharp scroll]

guess i'll discover that in a week

[fading dust]

Did ya restart until you got dooted?

[grand karma]

tbh even if it doesnt, still op because you can just rush w5 quite fast nowadays

[sharp scroll]

yep

[fading dust]

Nice

Want to do that, but already dropped money intot his account

[sharp scroll]

yeah, this is my alt

[obtuse rover]

A number of people were claiming doot worked even if you hadn't unlocked W5.
It's unfortunate how difficult it is to get a straight answer, but I'm certainly not going to spend money to find out.

[grand karma]

same, i will get my 20€ worth lol

[lost depot]

That would be the best system for Idleon pets to keep some RNG in the process, but I'd still rather be able to pay upfront because I don't enjoy gambling

[obtuse rover]

Oh, did we get a patch?

[sharp scroll]

already did the test for u guys lol

sure

[fading dust]

Tbh he still drafting roadmap ~ might take longer than a week to plan things out on his end

[sharp scroll]

i'm keeping this alt f2p( probably)

[obtuse rover]

Yeah I just didn't realize we've had a change pushed to the game since doot dropped

[fading dust]

How long did it take to get Doot?

[zenith fiber]

I think he planned the end.

[obtuse rover]

Pretty lame to not address the community's concerns whatsoever, though.

[fading dust]

Ya, he shouldve posted an “Im working on it” or some thing

[zealous niche]

Steam has patch notes?

[sharp scroll]

it will take some time... even with doot it's not easy getting like 100m prints or anything above that

[sharp scroll]

around 2 hours

[obtuse rover]

Any idea where that was posted? I don't see any new comments from him in the server

[fading dust]

Naw he did not say that

[obtuse rover]

Oh sorry I misread

[lost depot]

Is spice supposed to be such a big bottleneck for jewels? It could take months/years to grind this much spice

[fading dust]

Could’ve sneaky patched? 👀

[zealous niche]

Spice is a bottleneck yes

[fading dust]

6x prints early is kinda nutty

[zealous niche]

Most people gem the jewels

[zenith fiber]

Yeah, he was enticing people to spend blue gems for them not actually unlock in game

[sharp scroll]

yeah around 5x

[obtuse rover]

The costs are meant to (successfully) pressure you into buying most of them with gems

[sharp scroll]

5x printer output, don't really care about the other gods and stuff

[lost depot]

Unfortunate.

[deep lodge]

Most people get the "free jewels" and then buy the hard ones from the gem shop when then only a few remaining

[obtuse rover]

Plus you get an average of 64 hours a day of refinery, printer, breeding, sailing, etc. from omniphau links for free (with 10 characters)

[deep lodge]

Hey, at least it's good ol' unsecured gems

[fading dust]

Right + everyone out of lab to do other things

[deep lodge]

Like all gmush

[obtuse rover]

Yeah, literally playing the game on >3x speed when you have doot

[fading dust]

Ya the man is op

Makes lab and divinity obsolete

[obtuse rover]

In a 24-hour period, you will on average get the normal 24 hours everyone gets, plus 40 hours in each of the 6 activities Omniphau can proc on, on average.

[hushed sequoia]

Hey, is there some spreadsheet for player set up? Mainly for which gods to link to and who to put in lab. Feel like I saw something like that once

[sharp scroll]

u still need lab 75 and divinity 100 for good bonus tho

[obtuse rover]

So 64 hours of progress a day on average in each of those 6 activities when you're dooted

[fading dust]

True, still need levels I guess

[sharp scroll]

even with doot when i get to w5 in this alt i'll have to stay lab for a loooong time

[worn sonnet]

Also you can have the lackluster lab upgrades on 24/7 as well

[obtuse rover]

It'll be much shorter than a dootless account because lab is affected by AFK gains which you get a ton of from snake and goat links, and you get bonus skill exp and skill pearls from flutterbis

[willow idol]

Do you get any bonus per rift you complete, or is it only certain rifts which unlock the different milestone things

[dense crater]

Do I have to unlock a starsign for infinit starsign to work or nah?

[worn sonnet]

No

[obtuse rover]

A normal player needs ~6 hare links and likely has nobi on their SB. They have probably at most 3 omniphau links.

There's no need to decide and deal with tradeoffs with doot, in comparison.

[dense crater]

Nice

[deep lodge]

With rift it's a lot faster to level up lab now thanks to huge xp bonuses

[fierce hearth]

do we have any default card setups (when you already have all skill specific ones passive)? on command

[deep lodge]

Most people have a purrmep also i'd say

[obtuse rover]

Milestones only

[sharp scroll]

but i'll have to build around 10m dmg to do the rift

[willow idol]

ty

[shrewd nexus]

you might want the attck speed pringle on ES, since his basic procs tornadoes. was just setting up me ES and remembered

[deep lodge]

Of course, but damage goes up quickly in W4+, especially with vman update cooking is also easier

[sharp scroll]

conclusion: don't do alt accounts, they take 4 ever to get w5 even if you know what you doing

[obtuse rover]

You'll level up and get more damage far faster with the extra stack of AFK% from snake and goat connections. You'll reach portals faster and push worlds with nobi connections.

It won't be day 1 that you'll catch up, but a dooted account really is flying at mach speed.

[barren otter]

yea i could drop one of the woodchips for it

[fading dust]

Samesies, except with guidance of peeps in W3-W4 channel

[sharp scroll]

at least we can candy w4 now

[deep lodge]

• lowered W4 portal count compared to pre-W5

[sharp scroll]

in my first account i was mman main with no candy

[fading dust]

mman ftw

[shrewd nexus]

tbf beating through portals is only like 10% of the game, so you can get to w5 with very diffrent progress

[sharp scroll]

never making this mistake again

[deep lodge]

And then spend all your time catching up on every skill and activity

But tbh it's not a bad thing, sailing/gaming are completely passive skills so it's good to unlock them early

[sharp scroll]

i still belive in lava

blue gems where a pain to get back ago

[obtuse rover]

I think it's getting pretty tough to be optimistic with how long this radio-silence is lasting

[shrewd nexus]

yeah its fine, just so long as ppl are aware that there are large chunks of the game that they ran by in w1-w3

[sharp scroll]

the man got a whole discord cursing him like crazy

[fallow aurora]

is there a way to equip gods on all characters without keep switching characters?

[sharp scroll]

it's just talking back to a bunch of little kids u know

[deep lodge]

Maybe we'd curse less with any update from him

[zenith fiber]

He only made it worse by staying quiet

[sharp scroll]

i'd rather see a actual update than a small talk to calm people down

[fallow aurora]

pain

[shrewd nexus]

theres not really a solution at this stage. majority of players dislike it, but even if he wanted to he cant make any changes that improve it without pissing off the whales that paid for the advantage

[obtuse rover]

He pulled a complete 180 on his claimed design-philosophy for the game, naturally the audience he cultivated based on "hating those abusive gacha-games" would be upset.

[sharp scroll]

it's not abusive, u got no one to compete with

it's not like 7ds grand cross where you can't do arena cuz there's whales on top 1000+

singleplayer experience here basically

just my opnion tho

[deep lodge]

For me it's a lot about community and comparing account progress - this is dead because of doot

[sharp scroll]

i've spent years in this game getting all the good bonus, doot is just one more of those

[shrewd nexus]

theres at least a perception of status/competition between people here on the discord, whales are buying there way to the top of that i guess

[obtuse rover]

I'm not the one claiming it's abusive.
I'm saying that Lava has a long track-record of saying he's "totally not like the other devs, and he hates cashgrabs and doesn't like these shady business practices"
The description for the game in the app store still literally has that claim in it.

He cultivated an audience based on that philosophy and has suddenly betrayed it with a no-pity gacha that costs an average of hundreds of dollars to get a bonus that more than triples your account's numbers.

[hollow warren]

abadon game entirely is his gameplay style

[zenith fiber]

How can you have trading iN a SinGlE PlAYeR GamE

[hollow warren]

like before last summer he haven't done shit for almost a year or half

[shrewd nexus]

have you checked on your cap key recently? i think it might have some issues

[hollow warren]

trying that

[sharp scroll]

there's no trading now, let's talk about this in the next update

[zenith fiber]

How is it an MMO if its single player.
How do you have parties, if its single player

[sharp scroll]

i said single player experience not singleplayer game ='

[zenith fiber]

It just had a moment

[deep lodge]

Tbh the MMO part of the name is gone I believe, at least on steam It's still in the name on steam, mb

[sharp scroll]

the mmo part of the game is hh every week for 20x rewards

[shrewd nexus]

id say the thing that matters isnt if its single/mmo, its if people play it competitivly and compare to others. whales do.

[zenith fiber]

There's literally achievements that require other people

[shrewd nexus]

nah its needs a server side otherwise it would be open to exploits... wait nvm

[vocal flower]

K how long should I ignore discord for until people aren't bitching about pet gacha any more? 1 week? 2 weeks?

[sweet mountain]

does multikill count for the kill count talents (flag, orb and portal)?

[deep lodge]

At least until lava makes a statement, and then possibly forever depending on statement/update

[zenith fiber]

Until the issue is fixed or the game dies

[vocal flower]

Tbh at this stage it seems like forever

[amber dagger]

Hopefully he makes a statement tn or tragic events will happen

[zenith fiber]

Well its meant to be an idle game and he made sure alot of accounts are going to be idling now

[sharp scroll]

doot in acorns is doing great

biggest buff so far

[clever portal]

hi guys, its worth to deactivate all prayers while farming/killing to get the bonus without the negativ from each prayer or are u still fighting with activ prayers ?

[shrewd nexus]

no?

[versed cypress]

active prayers is still way stronger than 1/5 with no negatives

and most prayers negatives are rather inconsequential

[clever portal]

is there a guide which prayers for which situation i should use ?

[sweet mountain]

Before this I usually spent something like $50 a month on this game and it pains me to think that someone that actually does this is ahead in progress.

[opaque sun]

only use of no prayer is if you want to make a colo 2 specialized DK for some weird fetish

[round elk]

can someone send me the link to check how my statues, greenstacks, etc compare to the rest of the players? I can´t find it

[sweet mountain]

Which is 100x times than I will need to get a doot with my free rolls.

[hexed crescent]

Pretty sure that's gone, I think the guy who made it got banned

[round elk]

damm I loved that.....

[opaque sun]

if talking about big mac’s one, it should be gone

[hexed crescent]

Crazy how quick the vibe on here changed from 'outraged' to 'how to cope with Doot being in the game'

[zenith fiber]

Most resources were made by people that were banned, so they will probably all be gone

[rigid cloak]

No doot?

[sweet mountain]

Well... Im not quiting the game. But also not spending another dollar in it.

[hexed crescent]

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. I have seen a lot of people complain AFTER spending money trying to get Doot. They are complaining about something they just supported.

[sacred frigate]

My guess is he's secretly pushed out a change where we all get doot on our next free roll and he's waiting until then to say anything

[zenith fiber]

Feels 100% like a long con thats just come to the end

[sacred frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[rigid cloak]

Now this is cope

[hexed crescent]

Too bad game half way died out in the process

[rigid cloak]

Only the non gold abusers got doot

[atomic kiln]

not dead yet

[bright current]

[atomic kiln]

nah

u can play the game f2p... no leaderboard no flex, just a idle game

[sacred frigate]

Everyone will be back in a month and then realise they had the 10h max afk time prayer on then rage quit for good

[sharp scroll]

don't even try, people don't undestand this

[atomic kiln]

its a week, it is what it is, either leave or live with it, its not like im a fan of what has happened, but im over it

[deep lodge]

https://www.legendsofidleon.com/leaderboards/

[sweet mountain]

I dont see this as a leaderboard or flex thing. Simply the fact that there's something in this game that I will NEVER get. That's what really bothers me.

[atomic kiln]

blah, thats not even a good board

[deep lodge]

But it is one

[sharp scroll]

never ?

the thing got released 6 days ago

[rigid cloak]

Nah if you get a job youll get it faster than waiting in game

[atomic kiln]

doesnt tell me anything really, and im not flexing over lvls...

[deep lodge]

7 years on average if pull every week

[rigid cloak]

1 week at minimum wage

[atomic kiln]

i am allowed to, im not complaining day in and out

[sharp scroll]

it's 2 years

[amber dagger]

Have you guys heard of this new game

[bright current]

Perfect, bt rhen i can have a kid and show them my doot pet

[sweet mountain]

Im jnot going to pay for the new currency and the odds are so small that 1 free spin a week doesnt garantee the pull for several yers.

[hexed crescent]

The Hypocracy is baffling

[zinc torrent]

I started just collecting Rams to make my own minimap full of 40 Rams

[opaque sun]

nah game is reborn into something new. Watch idleon kids be like “wow idleon used to be free back in your days grandpa? What was wrong with him?”

[hexed crescent]

It was never 'free' lol

[bright current]

Its 7. I know this for a fact cuz i saw an infographic with this information.

Do you think someone would go on the internet and just spread misinformation?

[atomic kiln]

i dont really care, ive always played idleon for the fun of it, just lvling stuff and getting better, not to show off, but ofc i promote my best stuff if i can around here, but i could just as easy take it away and leave discord, still playing idleon

[opaque sun]

Oh it is very free compared to the future kids who pay 50$ to lower the sound volume by a pixel

[sharp scroll]

srry man, i'll get gud i promise

;-;

[atomic kiln]

yeah, thats what it is, so cant we stop talking about doot for a minute and talk about the game, cus we cant change anyhting anyway

[opaque sun]

“Auto” button subscription incoming soon

[zinc torrent]

I'm stuck with no Bloque, 0.00% chance to pull it 😂

[atomic kiln]

obviously i cant

[bright current]

Sorry i cant let it go. Its just way too funny

[atomic kiln]

but im just saying, isnt it, after a week getting boring, were not getting any update from lava on the statues

[bright current]

Dont ask them that while im here

Ill become collateral

[zenith fiber]

Can you stop talking about the game and talk about doot for a minute

[hexed crescent]

That is more or less what a lot of us are doing, that is why our names are not displaying a lvl. Fact of the matter is you implicitly said that achievements in this game didn't matter, while your entire profile on here screams the opposite.

[unique sigil]

The math isn't that hard to figure out, the difference between two years and seven years

[atomic kiln]

IB

[deep lodge]

It would be 7 years if the odds didn't increase (100 / 0.28 = 357 weeks), but it is true that the odds increase (and then supposedly reset every 4 months or so with the new rotation). I'll try to get a better number

[bright current]

Do you still have the wumbi event name emoji?

Wtf

[summer finch]

[deep lodge]

No other ranks

[bright current]

Im joking, either way its fucked

[rustic garnet]

For party dungeon, does more people actuallyg ive mor eloot?

[unique sigil]

at a fixed 0.85%, at eighty weeks you're at a coin flip chance of getting it (50%).

[rustic garnet]

3 for hh, but nothing abou 5 v 10, right?

[deep lodge]

Less chances to get stuck because of bad drops at least

[opaque sun]

doing dootless is like saying “im running to new york from california on foot, i get a headstart while you waste time renting a plane”

[zinc torrent]

80 draws isn't event close

[summer finch]

except it's not .85% fixed rate cuz doesn't the rate treat tier reset after a new batch of pets? And they rotate every 10 weeks or so yea?

[unique sigil]

0.9915^80 = ~ 0.5

[atomic kiln]

ur obviously not getting my point and u obviously think that im not getting everybody elses point. ive spoken, seems i have to live with doot talk and babies crying.

[dapper prism]

more chance to get stuck cause nubs be nubs who dont deposite their mats. I actually think your mats drop rate decreases with more people

[deep lodge]

Probably clother to 12-16 weeks, but yeah

[opaque sun]

Wishful thinking that batches even rotate

[zinc torrent]

0.9915 * 600 = is more like it

[summer finch]

I think I overshot the 5* card by a bit.

[deep lodge]

I dunno, everytime I play solo I get stuck, but we can 3 man carry a group of 10

[hexed crescent]

Your point is that the game isn't competitive in nature and therefore we don't need to worry about what everyone else is doing.

[opaque sun]

Likely lava just keeps adding more to a one big pool of pets

[bright current]

I think in groups u get less material per person, but higher overall

[unique sigil]

at eighty weeks, you're at a coin flip (50%). at 270 weeks (5.2 yrs), you're at a 90% chance. This assumes a fixed 0.85% chance per week and no rotation.

[deep lodge]

He did say "rotate" on stream

[dapper prism]

Yeh but things have been passed around that show it may not be like that

[opaque sun]

Thats the issue, he does the opposite of whats said in stream

[summer finch]

PepeLaff

[bright current]

Rotate, but on a giant wheel, so large it never returned to its starting point

[atomic kiln]

nothing will carry on until the radio silence is over.

[deep lodge]

Really? Where?

Nothing is on the table also

[bright current]

I've got a few unreleased memes that are off the table

[zinc torrent]

It took me over 600 tries

[opaque sun]

Where is the table

[zenith fiber]

There is no table

[green eagle]

i'm this close to getting lvl 15 captain achievement

[unique sigil]

I guess those numbers also translate to how much you have to spend, too

[deep lodge]

How much money was that?

[dapper prism]

At least 5 bucks

[bright current]

3.50

[zenith fiber]

Tree fidy

[green eagle]

at max tier it is 250 green gems per pull

[summer finch]

[bright current]

Wasn't it 100. Greens for tier 1?

[deep lodge]

So that's 16 pulls for 45$? Damn

[unique sigil]

So, at $2.74 / attempt, it costs $219 to have a coinflip chance of getting it. Cool

[deep lodge]

Yeah, but it increases

[bright current]

Ill dm u a couple

[zenith fiber]

Yeah but you cant keep that price, if people have already invested they are likely to spend the extra

[green eagle]

it takes like 30 pulls at least to get to max tier

[bright current]

So the 2x treat is LESS cost effective?

[zinc torrent]

month min wage?

[bright current]

More than 2x price for only 2x drop?

[deep lodge]

No it's a little bit more effective that at tier one

[green eagle]

and the only reason max tier pull is good is because you get rid of the lower tier pets

but too bad if you somehow didn't pull those pets

cuz you won't get them again unless lava changes that

[zinc torrent]

it is

[unique sigil]

I never got a frog. I'm fucked.

[rigid cloak]

I never got frog too

[opaque sun]

higher tier is still better cost to odds ratio, but its a very favorable increase in total

[deep lodge]

"Don't worry guys, here is the new trading update! There's nothing else btw"

[bright current]

Just drop more gems man

[zinc torrent]

Not even in the rotation

[deep lodge]

0% chance for bloque at tier 5

[bright current]

Wow what a great system

[opaque sun]

free pull supposed to be able to pull a common rarity if bricked at tier 5

[cerulean wasp]

I just realized the recent reviews on steam has now been changed to mostly/recently negative

[deep lodge]

Does free pull ignore tiers?

[prisma drift]

Is the oxygen atom one time for 10 levels?

[zinc torrent]

That's really good news if so

otherwise, I trade Ram for Bloque

[deep lodge]

Yeah that's under 39%

[rigid cloak]

Badnews for f2p dootless

[cerulean wasp]

Damm, it's all because one bad update

[atomic kiln]

doot is treating u well i see

[summer finch]

?

[zinc torrent]

I saved the extras for trades

[summer finch]

Bro I agree doot is shit but don't just put that shit everywhere I don't have doot.

Consructive critism is fine but you're kind of off the wall.

[cerulean wasp]

Yeah, I agree

[atomic kiln]

me?

[bright current]

All of us arguably

[summer finch]

I have a sand pot. I'm fucking zooming

[opaque sun]

use mindful

[prisma drift]

They did not haha

[summer finch]

all you need is 1 for the max talent levels.

[prisma drift]

IE shows first level adds 10 max book level

[summer finch]

Anymore is just checkout speed.

[prisma drift]

Sweet Ty

I’ve been dumping atoms but I’ll save for that

[atomic kiln]

im starting to think were not getting any response... its been 6 days almost 7

[bright current]

thats exactly whats gonna happen

[rustic garnet]

still no message from Lava?

[prisma drift]

Is been 5 days

[bright current]

once people stop talking or are manually silenced, he will come back like nothing happened

[prisma drift]

Almost 6

[rustic garnet]

is IOS update dead?

[atomic wing]

At this point he's purposely avoiding the community

[strong socket]

its almost like the lack of response is the response itself 🙄

[atomic kiln]

wasnt it on friday?

[bright current]

boy do i have the jpeg for you!

[rustic garnet]

hmu

[prisma drift]

I just checked the time stamp on his patch note

[bright current]

sick of it yet?

[prisma drift]

I could be off a few hours

[rustic garnet]

yeah, I thought so

[bright current]

it was like 2am sunday for me, its currently 8:30am friday. bout 5 days

[rustic garnet]

I thought apple would be 'nope, gambling, you changed currency'

[summer finch]

I doubt apple will pass it

[rustic garnet]

12+?

doesn't it require 18?

[prisma drift]

I think money for money gambling is what you’re thinking of

[rustic garnet]

frequent or intense SIMULATED gambling

[prisma drift]

As in casino lol

Not loot box haha

[rustic garnet]

loot box with overt odds is clearly gambling

like, there isn't even a level of obscurity

[summer finch]

It's a simple 1:1 money:gems ratio. There wasn't some weird obscure triple+ currency shit to mask the fact on lava's part and it was the highlight of the update so... he can't really hide that from the apple store

[prisma drift]

So you’re saying apex packs are gambling and should be 18+?

Idk man loot boxes slide under the table a lot

[atomic wing]

Loot boxes are scummy

[atomic kiln]

seems like it was longer ago 😮

[rustic garnet]

By obscuring SOMETHING

[bright current]

and illegal in many places

[prisma drift]

I’m a gambling addict so I enjoy lootbox even if my wallet doesn’t

[bright current]

nobody said ur not allowed to enjoy this update.

welcome to lavas new community!

[atomic wing]

Yeah it's just a waste to take advantage of people. There's literally no good side to loot boxes for consumers

[thin rose]

Gamers, just got le shovel in gaming, what's its actual use

[lunar edge]

Yo, I’m trying to maximize my catching but it seems really low.

[atomic kiln]

u mean the boxes with game stuff figures etc

[prisma drift]

Like Gacha games

[lunar edge]

This is a very hard stance to take. I think some risk based loot is kinda fun.

[bright current]

click it, get a nugget, nugget gives its number is multiplier, only your highest counts

[thin rose]

I see, thank you very much kind sirs

[lunar edge]

Yeh. Doing 700k on the butters.

[atomic kiln]

lootboxes are real life items tho

[bright current]

I think if you have a pity system its not considered a loottbox

[prisma drift]

I know lol

[prisma drift]

Some Gacha I’ve played don’t have pity

[atomic wing]

Why should risking your money on a game you play for recreationally be fun

[atomic kiln]

how can u compare that with gambling?

[prisma drift]

Language issue

[bright current]

what, loot boxes?

[lunar edge]

Because that high of hitting a jackbox signals my brain in just the right way.

[prisma drift]

You’re talking about something I’m not lol

[lunar edge]

I think the problem I have is I don’t know if I’m missing something obvious.

[atomic kiln]

idk probably

[atomic wing]

There are more healthy ways of getting dopamine hits than that

[lunar edge]

And there are less…

[atomic kiln]

take some ritalin

[shrewd nexus]

i is xpert

[lunar edge]

Yeah, I kinda just wanted an infographic that showed all the things that catching is affected by.

Oh shoot, sick. aight.

[prisma drift]

Get multi tool stamp up

[lunar edge]

Hell gdog of wisdom I wish to improve my catching. How can I?

[prisma drift]

Big gains on all skills

[shrewd nexus]

i have found using an archer class helps a lot

[prisma drift]

Hunter works?

[gilded vault]

Alchemy.
Then stamps and cooking.

[opaque sun]

bowman seems to have some advantage in it

[lunar edge]

No can do. Rolled 10 warriors.

[deep lodge]

Finally gotten my 10 mat bags to colossal

[prisma drift]

Sell them to the shop

[lunar edge]

Excuse me?! You’re my hero.

[shrewd nexus]

dang, then probably just food, lab chips, cards and alchemy. lab chips and alchemy should not be undersetimated. base +eff is better than %eff chip

[atomic kiln]

gotta say that is very good bro! i only made 3 so far

[gilded vault]

Spoken like a true xprt !

[shrewd nexus]

anything else i can help with?

youll need an ES and a garden that you dont mind fucking up, will need w5 for that thou

[prisma drift]

I need help getting sailing rng

Unlocking eldritch tomorrow and will put one boat on fury island

[shrewd nexus]

your giant mob odds are terrible, pls fix

[atomic kiln]

fixed

[shrewd nexus]

haha

[bright current]

idk could use a little more accuracy tbh

[opaque sun]

Its so nice you dont need to worry giant bubbles any more

[radiant geyser]

You have doot. Way too overpowered. (jk ily don't hurt me)

[shrewd nexus]

pretty good dmg tbh.. i mean once i work out how many digits there are, becuase fuck B

[radiant geyser]

Just popping in, figured maybe there'd be something in the evening

[shrewd nexus]

there is only misery and broken dreams here friend

[bright current]

this concludes the update

[radiant geyser]

If I could host a cookout for broken souls in here, I would.

[shrewd nexus]

just dont invite BB, 10 trillion turkeys an hour is not as fun as it sounds

[radiant geyser]

Remember what I said earlier, don't get banned. That would be a sad moment 💔

[bright current]

still avoiding gen chat like the plague

[radiant geyser]

Best way to do it!

[bright current]

much better!

[atomic kiln]

picture edit tools are way better than doot

[bright current]

all my memes are made on the native samsung editing tools lmao

photo editing sure is fun

[opaque sun]

numbers are just cosmetics on screenshot

[bright current]

dont say that, he might make that a 2nd gacha

[atomic kiln]

yeah

[opaque sun]

discord flex bundle

That just multiplies the displayed number but no actual effect

[atomic kiln]

yeah i want that

[bright quail]

Did you spend any money on getting doot or were u just rlly lucky?

[opaque sun]

luck can be raised by redistributing your money back to the market

Any rolled bonus on the left carries over so yea

Misc stat can only roll a +1 regardless of the tier it is rerolled in, so best done at the cheapest form

But like for say base stat obols, you want to reroll in the highest tier since base stats get a bigger roll range higher the tier, but thats for end game min maxing stats

[atomic wing]

I'll bet lava has other discord accounts that he uses incognito so he can spy on the community and get a feel for what's going on without having to answer questions. He's like the game version of Joe no questions Biden

You don't. Youre never above suspicion

And I now know you're dishonest 💰🤑🤣

That didn't age well did it. He take criticism well because he is never on to see it or hear about it

[lunar reef]

Has his pfp changed?

[atomic wing]

If you just completely disregard and otherwise ignore the community you're always doing well

[summer finch]

No more problem if all the people who think it's a problem leave. Whether it's on their own or with a forceful hand 🙂 .

on a side note ff16 looks fucking sick

I wish I had a ps5

[atomic wing]

Yeah out with the people who have some semblance of backbone to stand up to scummy development decisions and in with well moneyed whales

[summer finch]

well it is what it is. I don't really like where it's going and have lost a lot of motivation to actually push my account with most the people I bounced ideas off of gone. But alas, it's an early access game and technically this is within his rights to do.

[atomic wing]

Is this really early access at this point though

[summer finch]

Just a matter of managing and baited expectations. Promises given, lies delivered. trust broken. A developer is well within his rights to stick to his principles no matter what they are or how they change but to overtly screw over a chunk of his existing userbase means he's doesn't respect our time/efforts in his product as consumers. Then we're left with where we are now.

idk hard to say. The line between early access, beta, alpha, and whatnot are just buzz words at this point. From how the game play sit's more of a live service game than an early access game.

[atomic wing]

He's had many years of development most of which was done with the community in active feedback form. Especially big moves. Then we get something like this with little to no communication with the community

I do agree with you though

[vapid wraith]

Apparently.

[deft grail]

Eh, at this point that label is meaningless

[summer finch]

pmuch

[atomic wing]

Lava isn't stupid, he knew this was gonna chaffe people that's why the sudden release and then ghosting afterwards

[deft grail]

I have said this a bunch but I genuinely believe Lava grew to disdain a lot of his hardcore userbane

[atomic wing]

His statement for early access describes a player lead input development direction

[deft grail]

userbase*

[summer finch]

all pr buzz words in the end at this point.

[atomic wing]

The more I think about it the more annoyed I get. I'm really curious to see how he tries to recover from this. Either way you know his bank account is just growing by the thousands

[summer finch]

Any and all dissenting opinions will be squelched at one point or another given this kind of behavior. Even talking constructively like this is a risk in and of itself 🤷

And that's a sad thing to see.

[deft grail]

I personally will just be ig wrong Gacha completely, I even trashed my free companion

ignoring*

[atomic wing]

In my mind the gacha element was too profitable to ignore regardless of community opinion

Hard to argue with profitability over integrity

From a business standpoint

[deft grail]

Well it depends on what your goals are

[summer finch]

It's a matter of long term vs short term gains.

[deft grail]

But yeah, he can no longer use the excuse that he's different from AA Gacha developers

[hexed crescent]

True. We should turn our blame towards the people who have endorsing the minor p2w elements of the game for years, by spending money on them

[summer finch]

He fostered a community and he simplied weighed his wallet as more important than his existing userbase.

[atomic wing]

Yeah jepb he could have been spitballing an idea like this for a while based on how well received the other minor p2w aspects went

[deft grail]

But if he's taking this route he will certainly never be able to truly compete with bigger developers, some have psychologists on retainer solely devoted to maximizing swipes

[atomic wing]

I don't expect a w6 at this point

[deft grail]

Same

[atomic wing]

He hasn't finished 5 yet

[summer finch]

Like I play gacha. A loooot of gacha.

[boreal otter]

What are the net effects of doot anyways?

More efficiency, more printing, more characters not stuck in lab?

While it sucks if you think about it, if you just go back to pretending it doesn’t exist it’s not an issue.

Only becomes an issue if progress requires doot.

[deft grail]

Yea the truth of the matter is real Gacha developers are more player friendly than this current system

[summer finch]

This aint it

Even genshin which was far, far more visible to the western audience and probably most people's first had god awful rates compared to the norm.

[atomic wing]

Doot is an absolute MASSIVE upgrade for almost anyone.

[summer finch]

And even THAT is way less apalling than this.

[hexed crescent]

Or he is good at it. I would imagine Idleon has become one of the most profitable games in history, if you factor in amount of developers

[warm nest]

(this actually)

[summer finch]

It's got some far more underlying boosts than those listed. It'll propel your account to the stratosphere.

[atomic wing]

And the kicker was the scaling costs for each gacha pull

[deft grail]

If Doot were totally free I would still be very annoyed at it being in the game. It egregiously warps progression and trivializes a major part of W5 progression. It's a W6 gradually-acquired passive bonus at minimum.

[warped dove]

Any advice on the best keychain bonuses for each class?

[deft grail]

Like we dont even have Kattlecrunk boss yet. wat?

[summer finch]

For the most part, the only keychains you care about are DR, away gains, respawn, and % stats. Adjust which you'll use depending on your activities. THe rest is kind of whatever.

[atomic wing]

Now try to comprehend how other similar doot level pets will be bonus wise

[viscid wadi]

Tbf, the majority won't have him until W7 or later probably anyway..... but anyway, agree, too early for such a boon.

[atomic wing]

Like 5 doot level pets and you win the game

[hexed crescent]

maestro active killing

[summer finch]

nah attack speed has a cap and I don't think it's worth using over something like afk gains/respawn

My maestro has no issues without attack speed boost/pototo chip in lab and he still wipes all wurms/crystals out even with like 1/7 crystal chance and choco chip.

It's useful earlier on if you can't keep up with the respawn but will dwindle in effectiveness as you progress.

[hexed crescent]

For most other people, that's not the case though

[lofty cedar]

Any word from lava yet?

[atomic wing]

@lofty cedar he's too busy spending his money

Yep

[summer finch]

https://tenor.com/view/its-mine-lotr-golem-my-precious-sméagol-gif-14477595

[high hearth]

Is the gacha crisis over and the people he banned for not liking it back?

[atomic wing]

No it won't be gone until he addresses it

His lack of immediate damage control speaks volumes already though

[high hearth]

I'm miffed about the gacha to a large degree, but it wouldn't keep me from playing the game, just giving him any money. But banning people for disagreeing with the move is the line.