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[unkempt python]

and numerous different reasons

some were very outspoken about their ideas

others asked to get banned

[agile pagoda]

eh... no point getting into it... even though I'd like to know more

[unkempt python]

others were banned for seemingly no reason (but this was rarer compared to the other two)

[versed cypress]

welp i didnt saw your question before, but yeah, poison clouds stack, and they have no limit of how many mobs can be dmdg at the same time with the clouds so you can generate massive DPS with them

[unkempt python]

P2W update controversy

[agile pagoda]

lemme guess... the pets

[unkempt python]

yup

literally the entirety of the endgame community was banned

and moved over to Palmer's discord

[agile pagoda]

I've seen some negative reactions towards it

[unkempt python]

including some older Endgamers who already quit

like God

[agile pagoda]

but I didnt know it was that bad

[unkempt python]

and Akiz

[versed cypress]

lets not go into witch hunting mode for mods again, ppl that were banned were really asking for it with all they were posting, ppl that asked to be gone mostly asked for a mute and are waiting for a statement or the next update to make their mind if they stay or permanently leave, others decided that this was too much and just left

[unkempt python]

Its bad enough that Idleon no longer appears on the steam pages, which is the first time it has in a few months

[unkempt python]

Nah im not going against the mods

liek I said, the top 2 reasons were quite reasonable

but there were a few bans which were unjustified

[versed cypress]

and then theres the issue in the endgame channel that went out of control but lets not recap that

[agile pagoda]

wait it doesn't?

[unkempt python]

not anymore, it isnt on the steam homepages anymore

its review score plummeted

it was review bombed worse than Angry Birds 2

[agile pagoda]

jeez... who thought this kind of game could get such issues...

[unkempt python]

No one expected it sadly :(

I just personally want some of the unjustified bans to be undone

ik a lot of the bans were somewhat justified

but there are a few which clearly werent

[agile pagoda]

I guess the pet system is a good idea... just not how it was implemented

[opaque sun]

cant really resurrect the already dead

[unkempt python]

word

[versed cypress]

which ones where the unjustified ones??? cause the only unjust ones i know about where some of the stream bans that happened when they were mass banning all the ultra toxic ppl

[agile pagoda]

sad it went to this point...

[opaque sun]

couple got banned from discord for posting lava meme’s images (sometime just one image)

[agile pagoda]

I think I need more context

cause it doesn't sound like a good reason to ban someone to me

[versed cypress]

well we all know what that image was tough, and it wasnt just for meme, it was a direct attack at the whole thing, and they knew other ppl had been banned for it so it wasnt really unjustified

[opaque sun]

I can try to post an example pic, but thats gonna get me banned

[agile pagoda]

would you be if you sent it in private?

nvm, I don't want you to take risks for the sake of my curiosity

[opaque sun]

something something kills that cat

[agile pagoda]

Well.....

[versed cypress]

but yeah this place is being on fire since the update happened

and we are still waiting on a statement from lava to let us know he is alive and working on something or whatever... we just nead to hear comunication

[opaque sun]

some were justified, some were like “welp you get a ban too”

[tulip quiver]

maybe lava's on the submarine

[opaque sun]

yellow one

[radiant geyser]

At this point I just want the actual bugs to be fixed. The games breaking and needs some attention.

[bright current]

Its funny u say that

Check ur dms

[opaque sun]

Few more days of silence and idleon going to have “psychological horror” tag added on steam

[radiant geyser]

I might just go on a weekly afk timeframe till the bugs get fixed.

[agile pagoda]

but... why was it removed from Steam?

[radiant geyser]

Not getting Vman today was very sad

[versed cypress]

what bugs have you found so i can keep an eye if i see them???

[radiant geyser]

What?

[radiant geyser]

Those damn water beetles

[tulip quiver]

best abandonment simulator i've found, 10/10

[versed cypress]

nah its still on steam, just not in the front page as much anymore because of the current reviews tough dunno how much it does affect as if i go into any of its categories it still remains on te top possitions for both idler and clicker games

[unkempt python]

it wasnt

its just not on the front page at all

[unkempt python]

Oh it dropped a ton from those pages

steam's algo is much harsher than youtube's or other places

its algorithm takes the recent ratings into account a lot more than total ratings

[opaque sun]

the “recent review” disappeared for a moment due to an unrelated issue on steam side if that what you mean

[unkempt python]

while youtube is the opposite

[versed cypress]

idler page, FIRST SPOT

clicker page, FIRST SPOT

[agile pagoda]

oh

[versed cypress]

overal steam score, MOSTLY POSITIVE

[radiant geyser]

Positive stamina that's good

[versed cypress]

youguys triggered the anti review bomb bot

[opaque sun]

Best gambling game out on steam

Other poker titles are envious about that

[versed cypress]

i bet they are, idleon is better than most casino games on steam

[bright current]

Its still mostly positive overall and mostly negative recent? Nothings chaned

Its never been below 'very positive ' untill this week

Okay mr squiggle react. Never that ive seen lol

[opaque sun]

it was reviews done by a legit 1000+ hr played accounts

[bright current]

U get my point

[versed cypress]

yesterday was marked as just possivie for the overal score for a while

[leaden burrow]

It was mostly positive for a while

But it's already almost a year ago 😮

[bright current]

Cuz everyone who was having an outcry reviewd it down in the first 2 days

Theres only so many people who care enough to do it

[versed cypress]

the reviews that will mostly impact the game score, are goign to be not the new reviews but the ones that got changed from positive to negative

[leaden burrow]

People left their opinions.. everyone who cared at least

I just don't like the people reviewing "this game is not P2W at all" or "you didn't have pet before why are you upset you don't have it now"

[opaque sun]

lava planing the negative review grinding game. Not stopping until he gets 10m stacks of them

[leaden burrow]

Redstack?

[versed cypress]

a lot of the new reviews just go into more toxic shitting on the dev than actualy a review, but the ones shown in the first review page are actualy well worded critics fo the new system for the most part

[leaden burrow]

I think most people agree the game is great
But the update was horrible

[versed cypress]

and i can completely agree on that

[opaque sun]

If any, bot remove algorithms are going to remove positive reviews of 16hr plays saying a single letter of “u”

[versed cypress]

they should, and if done in mass either possitive ornegative they will but msot of the time they dont

[tulip quiver]

Yeah, one of the most enjoyable/satisfying games i've ever played

[surreal kernel]

i cannot stress this enough, with his new update lava shit on his whole community... he disgraced everyone by implementing this gacha feature and betrayed his own standpoints and what idleon was standing for... so... i understand the shitstorm it created.. mostly by endgamers tbh

[agile pagoda]

I mean..... while I don't wanna get into the definition of pay to win... I guess it kinda is. Not in a way that you can't clear content without it but in a way that... either you get god luck or you pay for more chances to get stuff others won't have no matter what they do

[bleak gazelle]

yeah, that'll be part of his announcement for new red gems

[tulip quiver]

it's sad that people focus on public response being 'toxic' rather than lava & crew's own toxicity

[opaque sun]

the 4th social media item to collect for the piggie is “Steamy Bad Reviews”

[agile pagoda]

I've never seen them talk or whatever so... can't say much about them

[surreal kernel]

i mean i know quite a few people from discord who got banned simply by putting the clown emoji under a meme

[versed cypress]

the probelm with the system is not the pet bonuses tough, its the blatan FOMO predatory system with no limit on the spending, no pity system for both p2w and f2p and no f2p system to either farm the new currency (worst part of the update) or a f2p pity system to guarantee you get all the pet bonuses before the end of the rotation

[tulip quiver]

people are toxic because they're angry, because they've been duped by a dev for a few years

[bright current]

Love a good clown emoji

[radiant geyser]

There just needs to be a pity for it. Soft pity for slug/ram/CC and hard pity for doot

[agile pagoda]

no pity system...? ......I guess besides the food level there's nothing to get guaranteed new pet...

[versed cypress]

the clown emoji thing was because whenever someone wanted to throw an actual opinon and create proper dicourse ppl were just liek clown clown shitty simp etc

[versed cypress]

basicaly you can spend 100 or 10000 and nothign will guarantee you get all the pets of a rotation

[radiant geyser]

Hell even I know I can get a new Hoyo character within $200

[versed cypress]

and that is if you get super unlucky

like 200 is like the worst luck you can get

[tulip quiver]

sometimes 'actual opinion' deserves a clown emoji

oh well

[bright current]

I mean, in an environment where there's more people reading than typing in a chat, the reacts function as the voice of the audience, not every person needs to put forward a well rounded argument

[nimble socket]

Actual opinion

[versed cypress]

not when the opinions were actualy good and meant to create discusion, when the ppl thrown the clowns where just shitting and not really tryign to talk

[radiant geyser]

That was me. Total joke. Don't hurt me please.

[versed cypress]

hell even i got thrown some clown emojis on some of my post explaining the situation to others

[tulip quiver]

you say some clownish things

🤷‍♂️

[agile pagoda]

I mean... the fact that you need paid gems to get a single second chance... already made my first red light tingle

[versed cypress]

at least i try to keep themto opinions and not let my emotions get the best of me RR xD

[bright current]

So do i. But im here to be a clown

[versed cypress]

but still im as pissed as most are even if i dont show it on my posts

[radiant geyser]

Just from my experience I'm used to free vs paid so I didn't give it much thought at first. Like in Last Cloudia and Grand summoners

[tight vale]

thats th best thing ive seen all day

[tulip quiver]

sure.

[surreal kernel]

with this face, it should have said "definetily not LavaFlame3"

[agile pagoda]

Yeah but Last cloudia's problem was not only pvp but exlusive paid equipment which you couldn't get just by being good. And they never made my Rei top tier

[radiant geyser]

Oh there's a number of issues. I just deleted it again last week. But I definitely invested quite a bit. And you could get the paids when they came to the crimson shop months later.

So there wasn't absolutely no way to get them

[radiant geyser]

Rei is the worst

[nimble socket]

True, the mobile gaming landscape is filled with those. Thing is that most of them are way more generous compared to this update. Only thing that I think surpasses this level of greed would be diablo immortal, which is insane, but tbf nothing will ever beat that game, it was DESIGNED to drain every penny from you the most efficient way possible.

[main raven]

Everything is designed to drain every penny from you

[radiant geyser]

There's a few that are far too generous that I keep logging in just for the daily bonus. Dokkan/7DS/FFBE. If there was a pity system in place when this dropped, it would have been so much better.

[agile pagoda]

........Idk, started playing when the game came out. Had Beyland, Logia, Lily........ miss my old account. Then.... when I came back they were just done with Lagreign's banner, rip, and well... they kept throwing events..... ......The events are more generous... same with the daily pulls.... but the equipment's still a problem with new content

[bright current]

I miss when mobile gaming was "woah look when i tilt my ipod touch it looks like im drinking this beer!!"

[agile pagoda]

xD

[radiant geyser]

Not necessarily. I'm a day 1 player with maybe a few months break here and there. Overall it's not too terrible if you just aim for pulling specific units. Tweacz does a great job with overall unit infographics. And the community manager Barleen is hands down the best I've seen.

[nimble socket]

True, but at least they deliver a good game with it. Diablo immortal doesn't even try to hide it, instead it embraces it and did scientific breakthroughs in psychological manipulation to get them to spent money faster

[radiant geyser]

I remember doing that lol

[river heron]

i miss when mobile gaming was me with my calculator "programming" choose your own adventures during math class

[tulip quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-nokia-game-phone-strong-gif-7799677

that's a nokia but same idea

[agile pagoda]

Can't say you are wrong. At least even old units can perform well. Just like Logia was almost able to solo clear the advocates of god's insane challenge

[bright current]

The original micro transaction, $3 for a Southpark wallpaper on your shitty nokia

[tulip quiver]

ti-83 with tetris got me through boring ass chemistry

[radiant geyser]

They just released Shift Phal. I was sad not to get her. It's one of those IYKYK situations. There were certain ahem features...that made Phal superior....

[opaque sun]

Was drug wars on my TI-83

[radiant geyser]

I remember using the graph to make pictures with dots back in the day

[tulip quiver]

do people still buy ringtones? i could never justify paying $1-2 for 15 seconds of a song when a full mp3 was like $1-2. such an awful racket

[agile pagoda]

.....? No idea what u talking about.... But yeah Phal, definitely not a character I was expecting to get an alter.

[tulip quiver]

53003

[radiant geyser]

Oh ye of pure mind and soul. Don't worry about it then lol. Yeah she just got one after way too long.

[bright current]

U don't wanna pay for 'im a gummy bear.mp3'?

Quick we're off topic. Someone ask a w5 question

[agile pagoda]

Pure? Me? That's what you mean by this? Jeez.... .......... she just aint my type. I'm like negative pure and that's probably an understatement

[tulip quiver]

hmm... i got one

any update from lava?

[bright current]

Shadow the hedgehog is that you m

[radiant geyser]

I remember learning how to change the faceplate on my Nokia. Had a new style every week.

[agile pagoda]

Shadow without the hedginess, the lower toned voice and the straightness discovered from meeting a blondie called Maria

[hot sapphire]

Thx

[agile pagoda]

In other words, Shadow's pure when compared to me

Cause there's a certain thing Shadow has never heard of

[silver comet]

What of? Genderbenders?

[agile pagoda]

Uh.... no... cause I clearly don't know what this term means

[bright current]

Alright I'm heading out of this exchange

[brazen cliff]

Woo, got a King Doot. Guess I'll need to resample and...stuff?

[silver comet]

Have a good night

[bright current]

Have this gang, ill be reading for a bit

[agile pagoda]

[radiant geyser]

Okay that's very very creative

[bright current]

I aint goin 2 bad its 4pm for me lol

[silver comet]

Well it's midnight for me so kinda assumed it would be late, have a good afternoon then

[agile pagoda]

1:40 am here

[radiant geyser]

Middle Easternish?

[radiant geyser]

#EastCoastGang

[agile pagoda]

Quebec

[silver comet]

East coast is sad

I'd rather be landlocked

[radiant geyser]

Ah

[agile pagoda]

wha? why?

[radiant geyser]

Oh it's 4PM in Australia

That makes more sense

Had to bust out the world clock

[dreamy vector]

Companion bonuses are passive lol. Only now i noticed

[radiant geyser]

Cool pfp

[cobalt oriole]

multicolor to multicolor pfp communication

[brazen cliff]

My midnight reset time moved from 1942 to 0230

[bright current]

Australia lmao

[radiant geyser]

Yeah I figured that out afterwards LOL ^up there

[cobalt oriole]

It's almost 3pm here

[pallid forum]

for my es what char do i upgrade with

[stiff prairie]

Thats similar to my current reset time. Somewhere between around 0200 and 0300

[agile pagoda]

mine's around 9pm

[bright current]

What do u mean?

[stiff prairie]

Very strange how it isnt consistant between everyone

[bright current]

Its based on when u started the game for rhe first time

Mines at 8:20am monday for weekly/daily

[agile pagoda]

mine's thursday

today

[pallid forum]

the boots for es so do i do +Wis for damage or +Agi for acc

[stiff prairie]

I definitely didnt start playing at 2am

[bright current]

And daylight savings plays a part

And cloud save desync can shift it slightly

[agile pagoda]

daylight savings?

[pallid forum]

what is that

[bright current]

Some places have daylight savings that shifts time forward an hour for 1 half of the year, and back for the other half

[modern plaza]

doot?

[agile pagoda]

oh, we have this here

[bright current]

Always main stat if you dont desperatly need the accuracy

[sterile tiger]

yep here in australia we do

[agile pagoda]

what makes bosses kill count go up?

[opaque sun]

what? like for void run’s respawn bonus?

[agile pagoda]

no, for uh.... chow

[zealous niche]

Only in the inferior portion of Aus

[sharp scroll]

u can't chow bosses basically...

[sterile tiger]

i think you meant better

[zealous niche]

Didn’t think you could zow/chow bosses

[agile pagoda]

idk

[opaque sun]

Unless you mean to chow the invisible green mush at doot zone

[bright current]

I mean, it might be theoretically possible i guess?

[gilded orchid]

Get Mega Chowing noobs

[bright current]

But that cant be multi killed

[agile pagoda]

I keep getting fixed kill counts on bosses

[bright current]

So good fucking luck

[gilded orchid]

Card packs

[sharp scroll]

just kill amarok 100k times, not a big deal

[opaque sun]

If you mean the card stat, the skull is not boss kills

[zealous niche]

You can zow chow poop 2 in dr defecus and nutto 2 at bottom of the tree

[opaque sun]

The boss will always have a static skull number on the card

[agile pagoda]

ok

I didn't know that

[opaque sun]

Its whatever placeholder lava enters for that value

[bright current]

Poop 2? You mean 10am?

[obsidian nacelle]

errrr how do unlock the third bubble slot again?

[agile pagoda]

pet arena

[opaque sun]

Breeding arena waves

[agile pagoda]

rank 100

[obsidian nacelle]

ty

[opaque sun]

Or alternatively, companion doot

[agile pagoda]

not doot

sheepie

doot's for divinities

[sharp scroll]

doot's for divinities

sheepie is for the GOATS

[opaque sun]

sorry sheepies i meant

[obsidian nacelle]

no staphhhhh XD i only got frog

[agile pagoda]

I got crystal custard

[brazen cliff]

Sheepie makes bubble layout on players moot?

[agile pagoda]

idk, but it activates all of them.... which I really need

uh.... my apocalypse chow on dedotated rams don't count, the heck

[brazen cliff]

Or until there's some chip that'll 2x a bubble

[bright current]

I think kills u get before the port on a map opens dont count? I remember reading that somewhere

[zealous niche]

No need to equip any bubble anymore, it makes them all active and all do nothing when equipped

[bright current]

Did u get basically exactly a chow?

[agile pagoda]

that's be awful, just used a candy!

[opaque sun]

With sheepies, big bubbles acts nothing more than some character markers

[bright current]

Kinda sick of getting birthday cards

I already got the party hat recipe

[opaque sun]

but gets you lots of gems too

[brazen cliff]

Greenstack birthday cards for that sweet sweet gains.

[bright current]

I have like 40 guild weekly boxes sitting in my storage, I'm good 4 small change gems lol

[bright current]

SOLD i like them now

[obsidian nacelle]

thought id share XD its the time needed to get this to lvl 30 - which is just over 4 million years

[bright current]

[sharp scroll]

the definition of "let the man cook"

[serene forum]

How do u multi stack capped mats from 3d printer?

[bright current]

How so? Like have more than 1 stqck of 1050m?

[serene forum]

Yes

[bright current]

I think u withdraw a stack into your inventory, then drag that smaller inventory stack (not click it) to an empty slot in your storage

[serene forum]

I tried that. I put a lot of 1 stacked coppers in chest but 3d print didn’t stack them

[bright current]

Did u put them before or after the 1050m stack?

[noble bane]

your smaller stacks need to come before the 1050 stack

[serene forum]

At what range? 1000m or less?

[bright current]

Any. The printing should add to the first stack it can find in your storage. If that first stack is 1050m, then it won't add anything

First meaning left to right top to bottom

[serene forum]

Ooh i see, thanks

[tulip quiver]

and if you auto sort you’re gonna have to manually reorder them. Just be careful to not drag them on top of each other or they’ll merge

[bright current]

[sharp wind]

😌

[surreal kernel]

Welcome to the 6-Digit Club Young padavan

[dapper prism]

Gratz and small tip, rearrange your imports if you want to something like this as it forces the plants to spawn closer, making things like cactus easier (snail doesnt work, plants still spawn under it):

https://i.imgur.com/Ml58ZRR.png

[agile pagoda]

how much speed is reasonable to unlock island 8 and 9?

[sharp wind]

Alright

[modern plaza]

still need chem... such a grind i must admit jeeze

[dapper prism]

make sure you arnt stacking those genes high

[surreal kernel]

claim every 10 dna

[dapper prism]

Think 43 dna was 0.3%

[weary hinge]

you dont even have to wait for 1% for chem to try. spam it always

[stiff prairie]

How do u move the sprinker?

[sand pecan]

can i combine goat and bear to be active in divinity on my ES ?

[sharp scroll]

don't think so

[bright current]

Click and drag?

[fallen torrent]

boosted stats alltogether recently, guess time for me to speedrun with VMan

[sharp scroll]

u have just 1 mission my man. 90 portals !

[versed cypress]

nop, goat is coded to need the character to actualy be inside a lab tube to give the divinity exp

[sand pecan]

aight thanks for the response

[versed cypress]

anytime

[viscid sandal]

How good is that 'super chow' on bzerker? 1.1x cooking doesn't seem all that great compared to the million % you get from vman

[opaque sun]

Roughly like pure 100x for doing w1-w4

[keen bear]

Pretty big boost if you can get a lot of them

[opaque sun]

And like 500x or so for doing all worlds

[viscid sandal]

Is that x off the base, or the total?

[opaque sun]

100x of whatever speed you have now

[viscid sandal]

Doesn't explicitly state in the description if it's multiplicative or additive

Ahh gotcha thanks

[fallen torrent]

so i gave 27 lvl in %dmg per 50 lv over 200... my Vman dmg didnt budge. meaning it doesnt apply to him?

[viscid sandal]

damn that's actually insane... if only it didn't have such abysmal kph 😒

[stiff prairie]

Im an actual idiot.

[opaque sun]

The vman damage talent works on exact break points of 50 class lvls

[viscid sandal]

Kind of a silly question, but is your vman over lvl 200?

[fallen torrent]

yeah so adding lvl to it. should affect the dmg upgrade...

[stiff prairie]

So lvl 250 is needed

[fallen torrent]

3% to 5.5% dmg per lv 50 should upgrade my Vman dmg. not leave it be.

lv 331 right now

[opaque sun]

And maybe it might needed a screen update to refresh the damage bonus

[fallen torrent]

tryna give him some love

[stiff prairie]

Snapshot issue?

[fallen torrent]

i tried. def didnt change. this is why im werided out

[viscid sandal]

^ go to 'swap players' and come back. Might fix it

Ah weird

[opaque sun]

If some bonus does not seem to change real time, move a map is usually an answer

[fallen torrent]

logging off completely and retrying. give me 1min

hm yeah working now all goodchie

[opaque sun]

Each bonuses applies at different timing depending on how lava codes it

[fallen torrent]

back to farming 8 clogs.

[opaque sun]

Some are on-spot real time, some needs map change, few needs a player selection cloud save

[fallen torrent]

aint mad. the game is still a fire game as always

[opaque sun]

Caught too much fire lately

[fallen torrent]

watcha mean

[opaque sun]

the doot incident

[fallen torrent]

?

i was absent from actively being here for a bit

i came back active when pet came out actually

[opaque sun]

I guess you havent noticed the recent mess up lava did with predatory gacha and the angry community

[crisp silo]

Idleon: Crisis of Doots

Alot of the w5 chat pioneers are now banned

[fallen torrent]

ohh this is kindof pay to win

pay to advance actually

[crisp silo]

Its like what 400 smth dolla to get doot on average

[sharp scroll]

pay 2 fast*

[low snow]

The Ghosting makes it extra bad

[opaque sun]

Expected cost of 500-1000$ all of a sudden with no explanation at all

[winged hull]

Wtf people are still talking about this a week later

[crisp silo]

Pay to be able to resample all the time

[winged hull]

[low snow]

Even genshins cheaper

[fallen torrent]

i was just not in the news napster

[crisp silo]

Lawd knows how much i have spent on genshin

[fallen torrent]

they are just explaining what was up

[opaque sun]

People should talk about it even after week

If it dies off, that mean lava wins the case easily by being silent

[fallen torrent]

i mean i got the pet before doot and i just took the pack

[crisp silo]

Gotta immortalize tony and bigmac

[fallen torrent]

tony and bigmac are gone? 😮

[crisp silo]

Not lucky enough

Banned with so many others

[sharp scroll]

20000$ and no c6 xiao

[crisp silo]

No more ie bot and no more gem shop tierlist

[low snow]

Tbh im now in the idlemmo waiting room

[fallen torrent]

i mean

[crisp silo]

How am i gonna be able to know where my stamps are shitty

[fallen torrent]

they are add-on you can go by weekly gain and not pay

or you can pay to fast foward i mean its a solo game at base so like

[stiff prairie]

So in 12 hours i unlock bear god and will put everybody in expless lab. On the off chance i cant activate them all, is there any later nodes or gemstones (past shrines) i should get no matter what?

[fallen torrent]

i just act like it's just a + if i can get em and not go crazy on em

[opaque sun]

IdleMMO reads as “melvor that requires more active clicking since we dont like the concept of idle game play despite the game is called idlemmo”

[crisp silo]

Nblb?

[stiff prairie]

I meant later on, but yeah nblb for sure

[crisp silo]

Gmush is good once you hit 1m/hr for gmush kills

Biggest money boost

[dapper prism]

Biggest money boost is focusing on bubo to get to last zone w5

[crisp silo]

Uhh then there is the stampx2 and vial x2

Faster ref cycles is always good cause you never know when you run outta salt

[sharp scroll]

bear don't give lab xp

[stiff prairie]

Expless lab

[crisp silo]

Truly an idleon player cant read moment

I too cannot read

[sharp scroll]

i read "express" lol

[stiff prairie]

Im leveling divinity (except for ES when i need to do guild stuff)

[random lake]

yo, any updates?

[sharp scroll]

time to rest i think

[stiff prairie]

I mean, i couldnt figure out how to move a sprinkler

So theres that

[crisp silo]

Gotta wait a bit after use

Then drag it

[agile pagoda]

wait you can?

[stiff prairie]

Im expecting an update tomorrow as a "QoL" update

Since fridays seem to be his go to for releases

[crisp silo]

Im ezpecting that lava is still hungover

[fallen torrent]

where should Vman be farming to lvl up above 331

he has low kill/hr on wormz

[crisp silo]

You got socks?

[opaque sun]

any highest mob

[stiff prairie]

Although 7 days is saturday

[fallen torrent]

i got socks but not much kill/hr

[crisp silo]

Oj is always deceny

[sharp scroll]

just look the xp/hr

[fallen torrent]

still yeah 10k/hr is better than any other

[crisp silo]

Or you could run active crystals

[fallen torrent]

true imma farm there all good

[opaque sun]

Vman doesnt really care with maps like ES since his clearing speed sucks and mob will respawn anyway

[fallen torrent]

14k/hr i had wrong stuff put on haha

time to grind him some lvl

you know what lava should do for companion 'balance?'

green gems winnable in Arcade minigame

[crisp silo]

He cant it hink

Or make doot farmable or smth

Or all companions

[fallen torrent]

make it so that companion are farmed on the monster itself on a very very very rare drop?

[crisp silo]

Like 1/1m doot

Seems like it

[fallen torrent]

i mean right now its too late for that

people already spent and all most likely

[sharp scroll]

we need green gem events, a pity for rare companions and a reliable farm (slow, but viable)

but it's just week 1 on the new system, let the man cook

[fallen torrent]

i mean,. that doesnt change anything for me on my part

i still love the game and play it

[unkempt python]

wait

[versed cypress]

he can cook and all, but at least give us some comunication,

[unkempt python]

was SouljaBoy unbanned :0

[crisp silo]

Blud thinks lava is still cooking, mans probably turned off the gas

[sharp scroll]

it's just a single player experience after all

[versed cypress]

he already fucked up by not comunicating before the update

[fallen torrent]

birthday hat :DD!!

[agile pagoda]

niiiice

[fallen torrent]

thats true crystal

[unkempt python]

Nah, lava forgot to turn off the gas when he went on his newly bought cruise ticket

[fallen torrent]

but i mean

[unkempt python]

the gas turned into a forest fire

[fallen torrent]

its the player choice to pay or not for that

[unkempt python]

and hes too lazy to even attempt to adress the fact that the forest fire exists

[tulip quiver]

groan

[fallen torrent]

i mean im iun the area where forest fire happened, hence why i wasnt there for few past weeks

[tulip quiver]

it’s a gambling mechanic

[fallen torrent]

but look. i aint crying or making a mess out of it

[tulip quiver]

In an all ages game

[fallen torrent]

thats true

[crisp silo]

If you check the tags, idleon is the no1 gambling game

[fallen torrent]

thinking this way true

[sharp scroll]

another one...

[unkempt python]

actually?

[crisp silo]

Ye

It was

[fallen torrent]

wtf xD?

[tulip quiver]

With ramped up FOMO as it’s limited time

[fallen torrent]

player miht have spammed that

[tulip quiver]

…….because it’s a gambling mechanic

[fallen torrent]

i mean, i tought pet were cool i bought the pack like i always do to suppoort lava

i didnt think further than just enjoying those gems i had

[crisp silo]

Ppl are mad cause apparently lava said smth about nvr doing scummy business practices in 2021

[fallen torrent]

i mean i have almost all pet with just the pack...

[tulip quiver]

think about it before defending it then

[fallen torrent]

i aint defending naything though

im just stating point here and there Lol

[tulip quiver]

downplaying it is defending it

[crisp silo]

It also sucks that theres a new prem currrncy

[fallen torrent]

downplaying? what that mean

[unkempt python]

zamn he right

[tulip quiver]

lol

[unkempt python]

idleon is top gambling game rn

[agile pagoda]

Idk... feels like overwatch... but instead of skins it's insane bonuses

[fallen torrent]

but yet again feels bad for lava what happens, how player feels about it too

[sharp scroll]

for a singleplayer experience basically

[fallen torrent]

for my part im still going to play the game without gambling on those bonuses

[unkempt python]

mhm

anyways

[fallen torrent]

Patience and get the free companion in due time

[unkempt python]

im going to go write some stuff and practice my writing

gotta get better at creative writing lmao

[crisp silo]

Ppl calculated based on free pulls, its about 1-2 years

[summer storm]

everybody just going crazy over it

[unkempt python]

cya all o7

[agile pagoda]

Cya!

[summer storm]

idk why everybody going so crazy and mad

[fallen torrent]

1 2 year okay

[summer storm]

you cant say that tho

[fallen torrent]

so what, been playing for longer than that to reach significant bonuses

[versed cypress]

i agree with you icy on several things but i still do need to point out that the system is indeed a FOMO predatory mechanic that has no pity system to limit smpending and has no f2p system to allow the f2p players to earn the bonuses in a timely manner by playing before the pet season is supposed to be over

[summer storm]

people need to understand this is the first implement of this update

[crisp silo]

Also pets rotate out

[tulip quiver]

They cycle out after like 10 months…….

[versed cypress]

i like the pets and the bonuses, but the system itself is what is wrong

[fallen torrent]

i do understand that crystal and i agree with you ^^

[crisp silo]

So may not be 1 -2 years

[summer storm]

there might be more (free) ways to get crystals in futher updates

[fallen torrent]

wouldve been nice if the pet was normal gems

[summer storm]

this is just a huge witch hunt

[versed cypress]

yes its the firstm but it was done in the worst way possible

[agile pagoda]

Whether it was just implemented or not, it was just not well thought out that's the problem.

[summer storm]

its good that it isnt with gems tbh

people to stocked gems would have huge advantage imo

[versed cypress]

and its a system that even by gacha standars has many issues and the no pity system is actualy illegan in many countries

[summer storm]

this is more fair

[crisp silo]

Well ye, thats what they get for farming the prem currency???????

[heavy yoke]

Maybe it he'd just come out and communicate a bit?
Instead of just banning endgamers who are unhappy?

[mild wadi]

Still no response

[tulip quiver]

it’s like talking to children

[sharp scroll]

where ?

[fallen torrent]

idk what endgamer said to him or whatever

[winged hull]

Atleast you know what talking to yourself feels like

[versed cypress]

i mena if you are well into w5 where you can make good use of all th ebonuses th epets give, you should be ableto reliably and easily farm blue gems

[fallen torrent]

but if it deserved a ban, then yes they deserved it

[winged hull]

Thanks for describing any interaction with you

[summer storm]

i mean looking at the chat the last few days these people dont want to talk/discuss lol

[sharp scroll]

i know that don't showing rates is illegal in many coutrys but i don't know any country that requires a pity system

[winged hull]

Sick I got jman instead of copper now

[tulip quiver]

People defending it are doing so lacking information or willfully ignoring information so

[summer storm]

core of the problem is that doot is too op maybe

[versed cypress]

for what i know for sure, japan, korea, china, the us has some laws about it but its more lenient, several european countries and some asian countries are also cracking down harder and harder on making the gacha mechanics have a pity system to limit spending to avoid gmabling adiction to put livelihoods at risk

[heavy yoke]

Endgamers are people who are at the end game. Not a single person.

Lots of them have been banned for criticism of this update

[winged hull]

Maybe people just dont care

[fallen torrent]

RR you might be thinking people defend something when they are just talkinkg about it trying to udnerstand what's up because they were not there to begin with when this happened uh

@heavy yoke i know im not dumb xD

[heavy yoke]

He even muted one of my guild mates for a meme and didn't tell the mods about it, so mods can't unmute him and well Lava's not reachable, so perma mute

[fallen torrent]

but yeah lava seemed to have fucked up big time here

[sharp scroll]

that's for hidden rates on gambling, not for pity

[tulip quiver]

Nah people come in late knowing 25% of it, immediately downplay it and stick to that no matter what they’re told, because lava good

[fallen torrent]

dont we have the rate in % on how to ge each pet though?

[sharp scroll]

get me any article talking about this

[winged hull]

https://tenor.com/view/general-no-memes-in-swag-gif-21326084

[agile pagoda]

I'm not mad at the fact people CAN pay for more chances, but the rates, the limitations... it just makes it unreasonable. 1-2 years? How's that reasonable?

[fallen torrent]

@tulip quiver oh i getcha dont worry ^^ im neutral on this just trying to know whatsup, as long as i can play my game my way i dont care what happen, as long as i dont lose my money i spent for stuff throughout the years xD

[heavy yoke]

Same

[fallen torrent]

True 1-2 year still a long time

just the green gems shouldnt ahve been there

just regular gems and everything wouldve been decently fixed

[versed cypress]

both, hidden gmabling rates and also for systems that promote unlimited spending specialy in games labeled E or Teen

[summer storm]

i mean its a legendary pet

[sharp scroll]

so you want the best pets day 1 ?

[summer storm]

its not meant to be common lol

[sharp scroll]

show me then -'

[fallen torrent]

not meant ot take a year or 2 either

[versed cypress]

i mean woudlnt you want the best possible bonus as fast as you can get it??

[summer storm]

you cant say it will take a year

and even then

[heavy yoke]

I mean look at the amount of criticism that choco chip rotation gets - game defining boost that's locked behind luck or just waiting months.
Doot is even stronger

[summer storm]

its not that weird

[crisp silo]

Yo this doot nft isbkinda expensive

[sharp scroll]

if you get the best stuff and don't get nothing to grind for

[fallen torrent]

i mean anything in legend of idleon if it jsut came out, can take week/2 week or a month to reach max potential

[summer storm]

lots of games have rare stuff that takes ages

[sharp scroll]

what's the point on playing ?

[fallen torrent]

its a grinding 'idle' game also

[sharp scroll]

i can spend 1000$ and bo brrr on my alt but i wan't to farm

[agile pagoda]

dude... it's 1 per week, how many weeks are in a year? and what are the chances or getting it?

[fallen torrent]

shit aint supposed to be fed to your mouth in a way

[summer storm]

you can maybe farm doot in 1 mont as an endgame player

[sharp scroll]

that's the purpose of the game

[summer storm]

you dont know yet

[crisp silo]

Dang that seems cool, you got a method?

[versed cypress]

i mean thats the mayority of the complains, that there is no real way to farm this new currency f2p ,

[fallen torrent]

Refund everyone money, remove this perk and make it more friendly. haha

[summer storm]

there are so many ways

[fallen torrent]

there is none

[sharp scroll]

and this, we don't know whats lava's plans for this system yet

[summer storm]

but its speculating what lava might implement

[fallen torrent]

Green gems aint farmable

[summer storm]

not right now

[fallen torrent]

i know

but shouldve been from eh get go

[tulip quiver]

they won’t be

[tulip lark]

Maybe he plans to add green gems to w6

[heavy yoke]

He could also just add w6 in the next update, who knows?

[versed cypress]

i can propose like 20 diff systems how it can be done in a sustainable f2p way while stiill allows those that want to pay for the convenience of getting it fast to still be able to

[crisp silo]

Thats crazy cant wait to get 1-2 green gems per boss fight!!!!!!

[summer storm]

exactly

[fiery mason]

add methods to earon 500 free gems / week + dayly free draw + make pets purchasabl with blue gems once rotation is over ftfy

[sharp scroll]

just compare blue gem farm nowdays and in the start of the game

[versed cypress]

but int he end its up to what lava wants to do

[opaque sun]

removing doot is impossible now unless you mean move to batch 2 and pretend those who already have doot is just a small variance

[tulip lark]

Maybe kattlekruk will drop green gems.

But who knows

[tulip quiver]

Based on why he made them in the first place…so they can’t be exploited. If they dropped they could be exploited.

[agile pagoda]

right now it aint the case, stop defending something that just doesn't work rn. The flames will weaken once something has been done about it but for now you can't just say it was well done.

[versed cypress]

and the problem at the moment is... lava is not really comunicating at all

[fallen torrent]

i was just randomly throwing that topbird haha

[summer storm]

but people would prefer smaller updates then wait longer for everything right

[fallen torrent]

honestly this doesnt partake with me, imma still paly the gasme the same way i was

[summer storm]

so implements in steps isnt bad

[agile pagoda]

true

[heavy yoke]

Just communicate then

[agile pagoda]

but at least communicate

yeah

[sharp scroll]

would you comunicate with 3k+ people acting like little kids ?

[heavy yoke]

How hard is it to pop in, say I'm working on a fix and then continue?

[summer storm]

what would you do in his shoes rn?

[heavy yoke]

Yes

[tulip quiver]

….communicate

[heavy yoke]

Communicate cause it takes 10 seconds

[summer storm]

you getting shit stormed

[versed cypress]

i mean lava was completely silent for this update before he released it, not even sneak peaks at all and now still radio silence,

[crisp silo]

Dont this guy have an entire channel just for announcements

[fallen torrent]

yeah true

[daring prism]

We traded bigmac and tony for this

[summer storm]

the community ruing the game rn

[fallen torrent]

pure silent hill mode

[daring prism]

Praise doot

[versed cypress]

the only real comunication we have had was the mods telling us that lava is indeed working on something to find a solution for this

[crisp silo]

Id trade anything for em to be back

[agile pagoda]

People aint asking for much

[fallen torrent]

bring tony bigmac back

[tulip quiver]

the reason people are angry is because of the bannings and lack of communication.

[opaque sun]

Lava is actually very generous in that by being silent, he is forfeiting future $$$ to be earned

[versed cypress]

which is whay many of us are patiently waiting for lava to say something

[crisp silo]

And shitposting with memes

[agile pagoda]

Just an announcement to at least show us he is at the very least thinking about it would already help a bit

[summer storm]

patiently waiting is not what i would call all this lol

[versed cypress]

i mean i am patiently waiting

[gilded vault]

Pretty sure all of Europe for starters

[fallen torrent]

i am unwillingly waiting

unknowingly

[heavy yoke]

Lava is still here and muting and banning people, so he's not 100% working on a fix either

[fallen torrent]

til i asked the gquestion. xD

Well imma take my leave bedtime for me, working tomorrow

[summer storm]

its his game

its his decisions

[fallen torrent]

i mean

no game without players

[summer storm]

then dont play

[daring prism]

Gigachad

[summer storm]

instead of complain

[fallen torrent]

i mean i play and i dont complain about it

im playing my game the same way

[opaque sun]

its our money spent, so we get to bitch about it too

[tulip quiver]

I’ll complain if I want to

[fallen torrent]

i was just answering your stupidity*

[true obsidian]

another day with no update/fix :<

[summer storm]

this is litterally the dumbest thing i read here all week

[heavy yoke]

Or maybe we hope we can make it go back to what we like?
Am I not allowed opinions?

[agile pagoda]

then if he doesn't plan on doing anything he can just say it

[tulip quiver]

So will apple after the circumvented their TOS

[crisp silo]

We get to complain cause freedom of speech or smth idk im not american or atleast voice our opinions

[fiery mason]

kek

[agile pagoda]

either way he aint saying anything so players are left in the dark

[opaque sun]

“If you didnt buy it, you dont have the right to complain”
“If you bought it, then dont complain”

[versed cypress]

th emods are the ones muting or banning ppl when needed, lava has not said a single thing since the update release day where he explained a bit why he didnt used blue gems

[gilded vault]

A lot of countries have freedom of speech, not just America

and it's an idle game, we can play AND complain at the same time !

[heavy yoke]

Obviously you're the kind of person who thinks that Shrekeli buying a medical company and raising prices by 700% is a cool guy

[summer storm]

who said that hmm

[true obsidian]

why people have patient to get greenstack this :<

[crisp silo]

Sweet sweet 3.5% additive damage boost

[versed cypress]

cause some ppl love pain xDDD

[heavy yoke]

Lava muted one of my guild mates, we know because the mods don't know why he's muted, leaving one option

[zealous niche]

It isn’t so bad if you load up your inventory with the mats instead of craft from storage

[sharp scroll]

yeah... everyone is cursing lava rn

[agile pagoda]

What takes more time I'd say is to just hold the button for hours just to get enough xD

[sharp scroll]

and "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law"

[versed cypress]

was there a notficication about the mutting for him when it happened???

[summer storm]

all the people that organized the whole bad reviews and gambling tags are probably punished yeah

[zealous niche]

Nah, not hours

[fallen torrent]

worst case lava get sued if he doesnt change thing and we get refund or idk just throwing random stuff xD

[true obsidian]

uhm...i got 118k in 1h30m....and i need it to be 20m to make greenstack the next one too

[fallen torrent]

i just wanna keep playing my own game

[fiery mason]

u can use windows functions to make ur left mouse click "hold" no need autoclicker or anything illegal

[summer storm]

sued for what lol

[agile pagoda]

wait.... what?

how?

[true obsidian]

how?

[weary hinge]

click and hold

[fallen torrent]

Sir, if it's really illegal what he did hmm idk

[crisp silo]

Hold and alttab i think

[frigid acorn]

hold it and tab out another thing

[fallen torrent]

i saw that argument somewhere

[weary hinge]

oh sorry thats not it

[summer storm]

its not illegal

[tulip quiver]

For marketing gambling to children…? Keep up

[agile pagoda]

doesnt work

[true obsidian]

thank you

[agile pagoda]

oh wait

[fiery mason]

sorry its german but mayb u can find th setting

[summer storm]

he isnt marketing gambling to children tho?

[tulip quiver]

sigh

[heavy yoke]

No, a role has been added that mutes him. It's not in the mod logs where the mods put it if they mute someone, so the only one left is Lava

[zealous niche]

Definitely not crafting from storage?

[fallen torrent]

explain to me what is marketing sir if you that intelligent

and dont go on google pls. he aint your friend

[sharp scroll]

genshin is pegi-12

[true obsidian]

its craftting from storage

[agile pagoda]

Did it work for you?

[sharp scroll]

blame them too

[frigid acorn]

drag your mouse outside the window

[opaque sun]

10m bullets/craft food is bad as in the click and hold time it takes

[agile pagoda]

doesnt work either

[true obsidian]

yes, you hold mouse then alt tab

[weary hinge]

have you guys greenstacked the gold bullet too?

[summer storm]

ill do you better, tell me how he is making children gamble and being illegal

[versed cypress]

hmm im asking cause i have seen a few of those happen, ppl find themselves mutted with no bot message like it would be when a mod activates the command, hmmm weird that is not in the audit logs even if lava is doing it to bypass the bot... but could be ...

[fallen torrent]

because gamble is 18+? 😮

[summer storm]

and only 18+ people can buy crystals

[true obsidian]

it hard to see but you can notice ther some green partical in there, mean it still crafting

[agile pagoda]

Oh dang its working!!!

[fallen torrent]

its like drinking alchool before that

[fiery mason]

i really dont get how someone can defend lavas update rn

[tulip quiver]

I give up, I’m off to bed

[heavy yoke]

The point is lava doesn't need the bot. He can just add the role with a click

[fallen torrent]

Well. dont you think children ask their parents? it still invite children to take part in that.

[agile pagoda]

Thank you so much, finally no more pain holding it.

[fallen torrent]

@tulip quiver good night 🙂 will do the same haha

[summer storm]

thats a good example yeah, people do it but the stores/companies arent doing anything illegal

[weary hinge]

how do u do it again?

[dapper prism]

Make items like bullets etc from inventory, not storage. like 100x faster

[versed cypress]

yeah i get that, but thta shoudl also leave a registry in the audit log the mods have access to, but if there wasnt any im really confused as to how

[summer storm]

parental permission/buying, not illegal

[tulip quiver]

gnight!

[frigid acorn]

its just take times ... like alot

[fallen torrent]

because they card people looking under even 4 year above the regular age

[dapper prism]

Just do it through the inventory..

[agile pagoda]

HOld it til it shows 100, alt+tab and switch to another window

[fallen torrent]

for alchool and they cant sell after X hour also to avoid dangerous behavior during night

[weary hinge]

and i can stop holding click after i alt tab?

[summer storm]

on steam and playstore selling anything like this cant be illegal

[true obsidian]

well, i saw a lot of news about children use their parent card to buy thing in game, i remember they use up to 2000~3000$? ofc without permission

[heavy yoke]

Probably something like you can't see logs from true administrators

[agile pagoda]

you will have to select another window with alt+tab, to see if it works you will still see the green bits

[zealous niche]

Yeah don’t, grab the mats out and hold down craft. It goes significantly faster

[fallen torrent]

Sir. Make a kid, bring him to casino and tell them "'its okay im his parental guardian' and see if they let you in xD

[agile pagoda]

you should be able to stop holding it

[summer storm]

obv. he wont be allowed

but this is the internet

[fallen torrent]

same shit

[frigid acorn]

i dont really need them so 👋 back to cooking

[fallen torrent]

where do you think the game come from haha

except card games.

[sharp scroll]

you can do this in amazon too

[versed cypress]

hmmnever seen that in any of the discords i mod for, but there might be something like that dunno, but it would explain why the role appears but no message was left by the bot

[sharp scroll]

just put the adress and card

[fallen torrent]

Anyway imma go, actually remembered i have to cook burgers

[agile pagoda]

man its so much easier, ima go prepare for bed

[fallen torrent]

to have em ready for tomorrow lunch

[zealous niche]

I made a quick guide for you guys

[agile pagoda]

wait... u go with inventory craft??

[zealous niche]

Use the craft button to greenstack the bullets, not the craft from storage

Yes

[agile pagoda]

why?

[dapper prism]

As said 5 times now

[zealous niche]

Significantly faster

[frigid acorn]

iventory does faster

[dapper prism]

IT IS LIKE 100x faster

since it is not capped by 100x

and the timer is faster too

[fiery mason]

oh god i never knew

[frigid acorn]

get the dreadlo bag boi

[zealous niche]

Craft from storage is limited to crafting 100 per second, the inventory craft can craft thousands per second

[oak rose]

That's an awesome tip, thank you for sharing, wish I saw that before crafting all those ice bites today

[dapper prism]

https://i.imgur.com/6svWiO2.png

[weary hinge]

great! i just need huge bags

[agile pagoda]

wait.... divinity pearls... dammit I really need this god...

[bright current]

hey guys ive been away for 0.3 seconds. any update from lava?

[zealous niche]

They’re meh since all chars over 50 in a skill means they just sit in storage

[fallen torrent]

when your legs get numb and you feel ants crawling all over and its painful in a way.

[fiery mason]

doot or do u seriously have that flutter bird goin ?#

[fallen torrent]

worst feeling ever i cant move em legs.

[opaque sun]

Like you can visually see inventory craft is faster

[dapper prism]

Now doot but i used to have bird. It's amazing if u dont need the unlink. Grind out the mats, right before reset do birds, whetstone to pure xp (easily 6000%+) then get those 20+ levels quickly, then whetstone back. Great for leveling cooking/fishing to 50

[fallen torrent]

question is how did you spend that much ressources for that small level gain? 😮

[fiery mason]

i have that with my left handy ulnar nerve :S

[fallen torrent]

werent you in skill exp setup6 😮

[frigid acorn]

prayer is not on i think

[dapper prism]

prayer is additive

[fiery mason]

do you guys farm hampters with es or bubo, i know es is better but i do like me some alchemy progress

[dapper prism]

as said that's at already 6000% bonus xp

[dapper prism]

you mean ES*

The prayer is additive to that 6k, so small change btw

[fallen torrent]

Do i wanna cook at this hour?

or i do it before working tomorrow..? ugh

[dapper prism]

I was honestly somewhat thinking the same, but think even then it's more efficient to just ES the hampters to be done quicker then bubo wurms once done

[low snow]

ABC
Always
Be
Cooking

[fallen torrent]

i usually bring picture of my cooking in here

[agile pagoda]

in this channel...?

[fallen torrent]

like my general tao

cakey 😉

[agile pagoda]

that got me drooling

[fallen torrent]

YEh i do, sharing is caring ;p

and this is my cat

[agile pagoda]

awwwwwww

[fiery mason]

clean ur window and pet the cat

[fallen torrent]

how about Snow?

[agile pagoda]

that's what I thought

[frigid acorn]

cook them

[agile pagoda]

why's it snowing in summer? where even are you?

[fallen torrent]

who said the picture is from now? 😮

[agile pagoda]

My single braincell

[sharp scroll]

that's not true

people with a single braincell keep complaining about the pet system

[fallen torrent]

hahaha

its a photo i took a while back ^^

[agile pagoda]

Awwwww

[languid topaz]

how much more money drops when you reach a new breakpoint? I might be able to push 15.01 I want to know if it's worth it

[agile pagoda]

15.01?

[dapper prism]

Easy to just math the percentage increase no?

[languid topaz]

I'm not sure how it works w/ money breakpoints tbh

[weary hinge]

there is a list somewhere in tips and tricks, but it increases on 7, 9, 11

[languid topaz]

you need slightly more than the flat number for it to work iirc

[dapper prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034167878775222333/1111126120788664402/Breakpoints_money.jpg

Then there's this that shows what group each thing is in:

DR is it's own multiplier/group on every other money group

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rU1V21io6jkYNseBxZSAy9BK-B_t7TAlCDfMHNierSo/edit

[short fulcrum]

so, did lava respond to feedback or not?

[weary hinge]

nothing yet

[granite grove]

waiting for ppl to forget then likely another update by then

also chances to be emphasized with “FREE UPDATE!!!” if theres one

[fiery mason]

in achievements rn ppls actually feeling good about this ?

guess he got away cheap, i can go on vacation for that money

[near goblet]

to where

[lyric sequoia]

Bruh I’m about to drop that much money on my car because I forgot to get an MOT and 3 of my tyres are basically bald. Fuck spending that much on this game

[agile pagoda]

What the heck

[dapper prism]

Ya know, people spending that much dont have to necessarily say "either i go for doot or i go on vacation" they can usually do both

[fiery mason]

actually wanting to wanting to visit gf family in beirut, 500$ is enough for flight there and back 🙂

[fiery mason]

or they have gambling addiction and spend money they dont have

[dapper prism]

That's honestly also true i guess in many cases

[sacred verge]

so im guessing lava is yet to make a statement

[frigid acorn]

hes busy counting mahne

[sacred verge]

this is starting to look grim

[orchid rapids]

why

[agile pagoda]

[sacred verge]

i never expected it but i might just quit if we dont hear anything soon

[fiery mason]

i was gonna give him a week

[orchid rapids]

thats very dramatic

[near goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/airbus-plane-airplane-aviation-take-off-gif-14487641

[fiery mason]

alot of endgamers quit

[near goblet]

w5 chat just became an airport

[sharp scroll]

less lag i guess

[agile pagoda]

[sacred verge]

im going away for a week, if i dont hear anything by the time im back it might be it

[sacred verge]

its not dramatic

[fiery mason]

sad to see another one go the comunity is tearing apart

[agile pagoda]

well...

im gonna enjoy my new mega boomerang while waiting

[fiery mason]

so many of the regulars in this chanel are gone

[sacred verge]

its an immense uppgrade to every aspect of the game most ppl are gonna be locked out of. and we feel the need to spend hundreds of dollars to get it

[fiery mason]

daln hop on palmers chanel if you want to talk to others who quit

[orchid rapids]

the way youre telling us all of this is a bit dramatic

im not saying youre wrong to feel that way though

[sacred verge]

watched his quitting stream, sad story

[agile pagoda]

well.... I think changing the food system would help a bit

like... they could make so we have other meants to level it up for better % instead of per weekly pull

[dapper prism]

mega boomerang probably the worst talent of them all o.o

[sacred verge]

i dont feel like its dramatic, if i were to say it the first day then i agree. giving 2 weeks for a statement is not. if there is no statement after that point i believe the issue is not trying to be fixed or getting any better

[fiery mason]

it wouldnt be such a big deal if lava didnt pretend so much this game wouldnt turn into a gacha cash grab with predatory gambling

[agile pagoda]

Idk I love it, and I have to many points to spare cause I've reached my "150" cap with every other skill

[agile pagoda]

and I can never hit enemies right in front of me, now I can

[sacred verge]

also the worst part for me is rotating pets. just makes it even harder and less likely to get the pets. also forces ppl to spend even more to get em all

[sharp scroll]

week 1 guys... week 1...

[agile pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-catch-em-all-gif-5662253

[fiery mason]

yea, I still have some hope he fixes stuff but cant look at the game the same way anymore and hav lost all trust in lava

[sacred verge]

all im asking if for atleast a statement saying he is working on it

just something

[sharp scroll]

man just think with me

there's 3k+ people cursing lava, quiting the game and being toxic to him

it's just like talking to a bunch of kids

[fiery mason]

for a good reason though

[sharp scroll]

what's the reason ?

[sacred verge]

its kinda the same for me, i still play but not even close to the same effort or anything. i just put my chars to something and let it run for 12 hours at a time

[fiery mason]

did you read the game description b4 he changed it ?

[sacred verge]

the reason is very clear

[agile pagoda]

and there are people who just disagree with how the new content came out without doing such things, just expressing their disagreement and are being told to shut up

[sacred verge]

and i dont think i act like a child writing what im writing

[agile pagoda]

do we not have the right to disagree?

[sharp scroll]

that's messed up

[coral canopy]

Nope

[sharp scroll]

the way lava is dealing with this is kinda meh

but i don't think that's the end of the game as people say

[agile pagoda]

maybe people think this

I don't

[sharp scroll]

yeah

[agile pagoda]

cause I enjoy other parts of the game

[fiery mason]

i really dont mind spending money on the game and supporting the dev... but you dont have to implement such a greedy predatory gambling system

[coral canopy]

Its time to move on people, tons of better gacha idle games out there.

[fiery mason]

which ?

[sacred verge]

i didnt believe it was the end at first but i do believe its gonna be the end if we dont see major changes tbh

[near goblet]

there are no good idle gachas

[sharp scroll]

blue gems where super hard to farm back ago, now it's just raining blue gems

[deft grail]

its probably not the end of the game, but it doesnt bode well for the future

[agile pagoda]

Is it?

[sacred verge]

either lava wants to quit or he needs to address stuff before its too late

[sharp scroll]

give the man some time

[deft grail]

uhh no

[orchid rapids]

again i dont think your concerns are invalid i just think talking about quitting forever and saying youve "lost all trust" is a little dramatic lol
and you can totally quit the game, it's just the way youre coming across in chat is kind of childish

[deft grail]

dont put a straight gacha system in a game 2+ yrs in development touting "no gacha!"

[sharp scroll]

yeah, if you play long enough and spam bosses on 1x key you can farm many gems

[deft grail]

?? "time" doesnt fix that

[near goblet]

we been waiting for 5 days now

[sacred verge]

i had the same toughts at first "maybe green gems will have a source later on" "maybe more sources of pets will be addes" but the lack of statements or clarifying makes me think thats not the case

[sharp scroll]

some daily and weekly from guild, alchemy and events

[sharp scroll]

wow... long time

[fiery mason]

he could have atleast made a statement saying he didnt expect the comunity hate and that he is working on a change really dont take much, but i think he knew what was coming and still considered the money worth it

[agile pagoda]

We just wanna know if he's gonna do something about it. Whether or not the changes are rn or later isnt the big issue I believe

[sacred verge]

if it was me i would make a statement asap to clarify and justify my decisions

[opaque sun]

for a new player who just started idleon will see this as the standard spending rate in idleon

[near goblet]

he could just say "ill do something that will please the majority in next update" and chats would be chiller

[fiery mason]

as a new player u should reroll accounts till u hit doot :S

[agile pagoda]

daily and weekly from guild...?

[sharp scroll]

he can say that and do nothing

i'd rather see him dropping the update instead of talking

[fiery mason]

well thx to his silence many ppl left

[sharp scroll]

daily from alchemy, weekly from guild

[deft grail]

the doot bonus is out of left field, even if it were free it does not bode well for the future of premium features

[opaque sun]

Maybe he repent his deeds and is in his oath of silence

[sharp scroll]

numbers are great for the game man

[lyric sequoia]

Hard to justify “I saw genshin and really like money” to people

[agile pagoda]

Oh aight! Hmmm.... I guess you arent wrong about this then. It has been quite easy for me to get so many lab jewels

[sharp scroll]

not a big loss

[fiery mason]

agree it also just trivialized w5 content

[near goblet]

or he drowned in money

[near goblet]

Don't compare Genshin to this

[sharp scroll]

that's too much lol that thing is expensive

[fiery mason]

i guess u dont care about some parts of the community who helped other players so much... look at palmer or tony or many otheers

[opaque sun]

The wall of money is too thic for any communication

[lyric sequoia]

Most popular gacha is the only comparison I was making

[prisma drift]

Tony didn’t leave

[agile pagoda]

I mean... I got the grey jewels thanks to this, great bonuses, worth it to me haha.

[prisma drift]

A lot of those people were banned

Very big difference

[sharp scroll]

this is messed up

[fiery mason]

some were banned too yea

he could have polled b4 dropping the update, there must be alpha testers ? he didnt care

[prisma drift]

I heard alpha told him not to post it

[lyric sequoia]

The last endgame exodus came with the loss of a bunch of guides that were simply never remade because they were text based

[coral canopy]

People leaving happened after people got banned

[sharp scroll]

not at all

[lyric sequoia]

Word is that he didn’t use the normal alpha testers for this

[fiery mason]

so he must have known what this update would cause, he just wanted alot of money

[deft grail]

correct

no notice of an alpha for me

[vagrant thicket]

Which one should I use 4 stars card converter

[fiery mason]

maybe safe it for c troll or nm troll

[sacred verge]

nightmare troll

[agile pagoda]

Oh doot! I really have to farm for it!

nightmare troll

believe me

even at 4* it's really good

[raven fog]

If i have 1in 225 chance in a normal egg for a new pet what is the odds on the better eggs

[vagrant thicket]

I know 28% at 3 stars

[agile pagoda]

and 4* is gonna take so long considering you need 60 keys each time

[lyric sequoia]

Cchiz is factually the best boss card to get minimum 4 stars of the main bosses

[raven fog]

That’s horrible

Only 2 percent more

[prisma drift]

Huh?

[raven fog]

How do you have 1932

Cards

[agile pagoda]

the hell have you been smoking

I used a 5* converter

[prisma drift]

It’s 35% for 4 star

[raven fog]

Yah i M saying the card

[prisma drift]

Or something like that I thought?

[raven fog]

Total gmd

Dmg

[sharp scroll]

7 14 21 28 35 42

[raven fog]

Is just 2 more

Huh

[agile pagoda]

with the other cards I have, that are not maxed, I get over +100% total damage

[raven fog]

Is ur chizor maxed

[agile pagoda]

I don't have it xD

[raven fog]

I think for u all stat is better

[lyric sequoia]

Damage isn’t everything

[agile pagoda]

I got blitz when I was at the beginning of world 3

[prisma drift]

I’ve killed like 6 nightmare chiz no cards

[raven fog]

Anyone want to but a kingdoot for 30 bucks

[prisma drift]

I put grinding it to 3 star on pause

[raven fog]

Buy*

[sharp scroll]

doing on your vman ?

[fiery mason]

care u get banned for that

[lyric sequoia]

Cchiz provides a way more wide ranging boost, and for the purpose of 4 star cards is absolutely the better one to do compared to ntroll

[raven fog]

Why

Am jk

[sharp scroll]

there's no trade yet lol -'

[prisma drift]

Nah I was doing on ES because vman was weak

[sacred verge]

if only doot was 30 dollars in shop

[prisma drift]

Vman is much stronger now

[raven fog]

It’s a good deal tho

[prisma drift]

I’ll try some runs on vman

[fiery mason]

yea even joking same for pretending to be lava.... u could still make account roll it and sell and it would be illegal

[agile pagoda]

Oh don't worry he's the next one on my list. Still have my 4* converter, gonna buy a 5* and save it for this one

[lyric sequoia]

Hell I’d 4 star camarok before ntroll

[sharp scroll]

it takes some time but it's good if you don't have lots of keys

[agile pagoda]

if you have Vman, it should be a joke.... maybe...

[coral canopy]

Nchizoar tbh

[prisma drift]

I could get some keys I have 11x DR

Just use Colo tickets on w4

[lyric sequoia]

I’m not talking about your list, talking about the person that asked what to 4 star. Saving that 4 star for Cchiz is the better play

[fiery mason]

yea outcry wouldnt be that bad id have bought it maybe complain its op but ppl spend hundreds of dollars

[lyric sequoia]

Nchiz is just stats. Only good if you’re already at the stat stacking phase of the game