#Wuthering Waves

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toxic nebula
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imejin prefarming when you dont even have the pulls to know if you will get the character 🥀

scenic condor
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imejin being a bad simp like that

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not enuff pulls for next wife

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what a shame

toxic nebula
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lets just ignore how I basically yolo'd Linnea and got her c1 anyways

vapid prairie
toxic nebula
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I still need that Linnea bow and Hagma sig

vapid prairie
old summit
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so uhhh

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in the story

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|| Did Denia pull an aemeath kinda?||

marble sapphire
old summit
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||so how does she plan to return, since it makes it sound like she could||

marble sapphire
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||she doesn't intend to nor know if she can... But her intimacy 5 story ends with how at an unspecified point of time...she will come back||

weak jay
marble sapphire
vapid prairie
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@weak jay and you wonder why I call them feebi

weak jay
radiant fox
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That sentence is not at all ambiguous

open copper
# old summit || Did Denia pull an aemeath kinda?||

Yes. ||Her entire character is a mirror to Aemeath her quest even parallels it.
There are these infamous benches, and the fake Hope Spot of you “saving” their life, then they sacrifice themselves behind your back.||

marble sapphire
marble sapphire
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Picked 4 random viewers for him to try for Denia in their accounts and...

open copper
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Statistics

toxic nebula
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should've let me pull instead and everyone gets a double denia Slep

vapid prairie
toxic nebula
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I still have pics of you slandering my wife

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I will win this court case

marble sapphire
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Apparently you need to actually gimp yourself so you don't murder the enemy too fast in endstate for the Fusion Burst damage objective ..

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Geez

marble sapphire
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Apparently that's ||Buling's master||

rain ether
open copper
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Looks like AI, frankly.

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Wait, she uses a String Instrument.

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Probably some Support?

marble sapphire
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They did it with Lucy and Rebecca...and when the actual splash came out they were...the same

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Aside from the filter

marble sapphire
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i got 240 points in endstate, i wonder if i can get 160 next patch

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let me try seeing if changing stuff up might help...

marble sapphire
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...i cant 😔

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i ran out of main DPSes

scenic condor
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matrix goes like 21k for max asterite rewards

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what is 240 and 160

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ah you mean the cycle shit

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for the 300 tuners and the livery?

weak jay
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@toxic nebula

scenic condor
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damn these requirements went UP

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10 teams

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ah but those are perma

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okay

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only 3 for cycle

scenic condor
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it's just a livery

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not a full reskin with different thruster colors

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hmm i tried doin the 5bosses with 1 team

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i almost have it

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ALMOST

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so close

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but not enough WheezeTao

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i may need to optimize cantarella gear

toxic nebula
north venture
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kuro games please

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i want to give you money

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make these skins

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please

scenic condor
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never

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good skins in open world gachas

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dont exist

toxic nebula
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Chisa mq already better than whatever slop Augusta's was

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they really upped their game with the presentation and pacing in between seriousness and vibe moments

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this scene is so pretty

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doesnt look like wuwa ngl poggies

vapid prairie
toxic nebula
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yeah nah this mq is straight up just better, Augusta's had you running around in an area with nothing but gray rock and dull colors with no foliage

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my eyes

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absolute cinema poggies

limber swan
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Chisa my beloved

marble sapphire
vapid prairie
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Denia the last one of the 5 FortePensive

scenic condor
scenic condor
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this man is my idol

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truly

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that jiyan cia rot is so fucking peaaaaak

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i can never do that fully clean just partially

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which is already a big help ofc

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but as i tested around im just better off shoving in iuno and doing iunoi/cia swaps and just swapless jiyan with iuno outro buff

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but if i practice a bit more i can probably master it and then free up iuno and do qiuyuan hyper with her and jiyan can go with just cia+healer

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now that my phrolo doesnt rlly need qy anymore

marble sapphire
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This one's a bit longer, but Miku Itou talks about her experiences voicing Denia and her relationship with Sigrika in Version 3.3.
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︀︀Please forgive some inaccuracies in the translation if there are any.

Quoting 電ファミニコゲーマー (@denfaminicogame)

【『鳴潮』2周年記念】ダーニャ役・伊藤美来さん×男漂泊者役・増田俊樹さんインタビュー
︀︀news.denfaminicogamer.jp/interview/260529z?xsrc=o1
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︀︀「こんな最後ってないよ……」(伊藤さん)
︀︀「泣きながら殴り続けました」(増田さん)
︀︀Ver.3.3で、ふたりの声優の感情を激しく揺さぶったものとは……?激闘と号泣の裏側を聞きました(PR)

**💬 3 🔁 8 ❤️ 55 👁️ 710 **

marble sapphire
marble sapphire
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STRANGEVISITORS

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BEYONDTHEDOOR

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collab banners use special currency it seems

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pity shared between collabs but not the typical banners

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Carty rerun

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you can now race with other players in the racing event

scenic condor
marble sapphire
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Kuro invited their long term VAs to WuWa, Miku Itō (Liv) and Satomi Satō (Selena) to voice Denia and Aemeath, only to give them the script and VAs, twice now, going "what the fuck is wrong with you"

Quoting Anxient (@anxientkana)

This one's a bit longer, but Miku Itou talks about her experiences voicing Denia and her relationship with Sigrika in Version 3.3.
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︀︀Please forgive some inaccuracies in the translation if there are any.

**💬 3 🔁 70 ❤️ 749 👁️ 26.6K **

scenic condor
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carty last banner btw

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so make it count folks

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thank god we can upgrade talents all at once

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not 1 by 1

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oh not the phrolo pokemon minigame again

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that was so fkin long

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come on kuro reveal the next lineup

marble sapphire
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wow vandalism

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SAYCHEESE

scenic condor
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dont care

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SHOW ME THE NEW LINEUP

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come onnn

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shortened patch even

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pff

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no teaser???

marble sapphire
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probably during summer game fest

scenic condor
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they better

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cuz beta will just spoil it anyway

marble sapphire
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they have generally been good about revealing hyped stuff before beta pepega

scenic condor
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3.5 char

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that hood better be toggleable or something

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cuz this is even MORE covered up male than before

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next one will have a bike helmet on

last nest
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Was anything interesting revealed?

scenic condor
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we can level up talents multiple times at once

last nest
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Bigger than Collab

scenic condor
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collab will have separate banner/pity/coral type/pull type and has 50/50 still

last nest
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Going to skip that shit either way

scenic condor
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same

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lol

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waste of pulls for a mid char

last nest
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Where is line up

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I need to see fox

scenic condor
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and the login pulls will be collab pulls

scenic condor
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phase 1 is lucy+rebecca phase 2 is lucilla+carty

last nest
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The sentinel resonantor design I mean

scenic condor
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no new reveals

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nothing

last nest
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We have a lot of leaks

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Do I imagine something is coming

scenic condor
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i dont think so

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patch is shorter as well

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maybe they announce the new lineup on summerfest

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which is in a week

last nest
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Let's see if they can fix china this time

ionic quiver
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i think

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they made a mistake

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with how they do story

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im confident mengzhou gonna be better than jinzhou 3 times

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they crack the code

scenic condor
vapid prairie
scenic condor
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3.x did a good job making the cast work together

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and avoided waifu of the month a bit

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tho rest assured we will never see them again after this patch

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also them rerunning carty without ciaccona

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cuz ciaccona alrdy hit her 3 banner limit

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rip new players who wanna pick her up WheezeTao

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pls roll s3

ionic quiver
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and the latest source said its yangyang

scenic condor
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well okay

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we shall see then

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i could use a new electro dps

weak jay
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it's ariel and souine

ionic quiver
ionic quiver
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looks amazing on lucy

scenic condor
ionic quiver
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now how should i

weak jay
ionic quiver
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pull lucy and have enough for 3.5

scenic condor
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skip mid shit

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kek

ionic quiver
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if possible i would want to pull QY

weak jay
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but hiyuki sp

scenic condor
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qiuyuan still has 1 more rerun in him

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probably will be back next time skiprika reruns

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since phrolo alrdy hit her limit too

ionic quiver
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now the question

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where jinshi support?

weak jay
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feeb 5 rerurn lmg

scenic condor
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cuz zani had 3 now too

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she only got a 4th bc she came out before zani

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so she got her 4th with zani's 3rd

weak jay
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everywhere i go social media i saw this

scenic condor
ionic quiver
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for 1.x

scenic condor
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it's a you problem

ionic quiver
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but if u ignore 1.x

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its w.e

radiant fox
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Can we get another Lingyang in Mengzhou

scenic condor
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most ppl dont even have 1.x chars

ionic quiver
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thats why

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they could make similar stuff to novaflare

scenic condor
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but they wont

ionic quiver
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and bring these backs

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lets see

scenic condor
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not yet anyway

ionic quiver
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im confident with how they listen

scenic condor
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give it a year maybe

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listen omg

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they dont listen at all

ionic quiver
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all of these changes

scenic condor
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wdym

ionic quiver
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wdym dont listen

scenic condor
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what changes

ionic quiver
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all my list of changes are here

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i just rant about skill from 3.0

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the graphics optimizer

scenic condor
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none of it is "devs listened"

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they know what they are doing

ionic quiver
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the QOL on everything

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idk what u talking about

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its on survey

scenic condor
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this is all planned

ionic quiver
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then its good

scenic condor
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just like with genshin

ionic quiver
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then they know what to changes

scenic condor
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yes they do

ionic quiver
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so they will changes stuff

scenic condor
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they make it shit by default

ionic quiver
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when they feel its not good

scenic condor
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so when they change

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ppl like you will say omg devs listened

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when this was the plan all along

ionic quiver
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not people like me

scenic condor
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make it shitty first so they can seem good when they improve

ionic quiver
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but people who know the work behind

scenic condor
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what work WheezeTao

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they could have made it like this by default

ionic quiver
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dude u are talking like u know the backlog of the work

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:xdd

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appreciate it and critic when necessary

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im not even done with the critics

scenic condor
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do you really think setting up multi-leveling in skills takes 3 years to implement???

ionic quiver
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i still got lists

vapid prairie
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STRANGEVISITORS
BEYONDTHEDOOR

ionic quiver
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but we dont rant it

vapid prairie
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SAYCHEESE

ionic quiver
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on 1.0

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we start rant on 2.0

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then stuff happens

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bad shit

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shit optimizers

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redundant objects

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multiple useless polygon

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unncessary box for object

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this was already in my rant for 4 patches

scenic condor
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i highly doubt it's bc of the rant. echo system was ranted about since day 1. and instead of removing tuner shit or providing separate echo xp farm spot they just made the ui even worse

ionic quiver
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and it still here

scenic condor
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it's like genshin and artifact loadouts

ionic quiver
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useless triangle shape on flowers

scenic condor
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they know its what ppl have been asking for 5-6 years

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but they will onyl give it in 8.x

ionic quiver
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remove that and replace it with placeholder of flower image will lessen the burden 30%

ionic quiver
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i still hve 8000 tuners

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i ran out on gold exp

scenic condor
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i mentioned both

ionic quiver
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gold exp is easy fix for me

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i had 300 trash echoes

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thats translate to gold exp anw

scenic condor
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?

ionic quiver
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all maxed 25

scenic condor
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jesus

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you have been sitting on 300 +25 trash echos???

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wtf

ionic quiver
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yes

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it could be more

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if i filter

scenic condor
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how tf do you have

ionic quiver
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i just filter my latest 4

scenic condor
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properly built accout

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if you have all this fodder unused

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are you that lucky with subs

ionic quiver
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its all done

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its not

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if i have more than 300+

scenic condor
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or did you not build all your characters

ionic quiver
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like u see my aemeath

scenic condor
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ye but

ionic quiver
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i wasted like 1 month++

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until now

scenic condor
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i have none

ionic quiver
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hiyuki i got lucky

scenic condor
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left

ionic quiver
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i only need 2 weeks

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now im farming denia

scenic condor
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so either ur luckier

ionic quiver
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its otw to 11th day

scenic condor
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or oyu build less chars

ionic quiver
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i only build latest char

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that i pull

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and yeah

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from 3.0

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lynae moryne aemeath hiyuki denia

scenic condor
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cuz having all that unused xp damn

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i got nothing

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constantly all out

ionic quiver
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thats why i dont understand how yall missing

scenic condor
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how many sets did you build

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total

ionic quiver
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and i never do more than 240 daikly

scenic condor
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on your account

ionic quiver
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all new echoe sets

scenic condor
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how many

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sets

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give me a number

ionic quiver
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all new set ariels

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from 2.0

scenic condor
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so 1 per set?

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only?

ionic quiver
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except iuno and augutsa

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yes

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for each char

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except moonlight

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i have 4 sets

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for diff people

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and dont get me mentioned my ciaccona

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i build wrong set

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twice

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until i realized its not debuff properly

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and all were in standard

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not premium stats subs

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the only one i try to perfect it is hiyuki and aemeath

scenic condor
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aah

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ok so maybe thats why

ionic quiver
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which im still farming on hiyuki, aemeath i can go the main stats switch now

scenic condor
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do you just stop at 2crit lines on all pieces?

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and never refine

ionic quiver
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and remove almost 100 echoes

scenic condor
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besides hiyuki amy

ionic quiver
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like my lynae

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CR CD ER

scenic condor
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but you dont refine

ionic quiver
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like u said on 3.0

scenic condor
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okay

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so thats the answer

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all that banked up xp you have

ionic quiver
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what to refine

scenic condor
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is bc you stop at the first 2crit line

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even if it's lowroll

ionic quiver
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i only go for 4 slots

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if i see i have the echoes

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if its standard stats okay stop

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go for 2nd

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unless i whale transducer now

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diffs tory

scenic condor
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i probably built twice as many sets as you did

ionic quiver
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i will go 4 slots

scenic condor
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thats why i am all out

ionic quiver
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i also remove the bad

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subs

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insta trash

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look, if i refine 2nd sts for hiyuki for example

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i wont accept it until i high rollk or max roll CR CD

scenic condor
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ye thats how i work with most of my dpses

ionic quiver
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so atm im still working on it

scenic condor
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but it's mostly the volume

radiant fox
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I didn't see the stream, does the collab banner only lasts for 1 patch?

ionic quiver
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aemeath i gave up

ionic quiver
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its 128% ER CR CR on 70 and 260

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CR 78%*

scenic condor
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oof

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almost 80

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so close

ionic quiver
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i only upgrade when i saw maxed CR and CD now

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but i dont see anything so i move to hiyuki

scenic condor
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mm

ionic quiver
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and the trash i dont need?

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feed other echoes

scenic condor
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ofc

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i do the same

ionic quiver
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i do that daily

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240 energies

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non stop

scenic condor
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i was just surprised u had so much +25 echoes banked for feeding later

ionic quiver
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thats why idk how yall lacking

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even my smart discard stop now

scenic condor
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bc we build more sets

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you said you built 1 of each

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and 4 moonlit

ionic quiver
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yeah

scenic condor
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i have like double of that

ionic quiver
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moonlit is already gracious

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those 4 sets are

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max stats already

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im not counting the bad one

scenic condor
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and i skip most of the non-dps sets

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bc most of them suck

ionic quiver
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the one i have bad is the

scenic condor
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and not worth

ionic quiver
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2.0 for the coordinate atk one

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the yinlin set

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i only have 1 decent and the other were trash

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im not bothering about it and go to farm carloota

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thats why my carlotta hit 100% CR and 300% CDMF

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with all reso skill lines

ionic quiver
scenic condor
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my main wish is that we see subs before leveling

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like in genshin

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so i dont have to keep a ton of potential echos

ionic quiver
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i hve more god roll in wuwa

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than my 6 years in genshin

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the only god roll in genshin is on xiangling now

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and i never get it despite farming daily

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like i do in wuwa

scenic condor
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luck Shruge

ionic quiver
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my chisa is only 93% CR

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with 270% CDMG

scenic condor
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doesnt change the fact that tuners shouldnt exist and we should just see subs by default and only need xp to level

ionic quiver
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idk man, i never ran out of them from 2.0

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i do ran out of them in 1.4

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on camellya patch

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that time i was struggling with SK echoes

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then 2.0 i nevre had this problem going to 2.2 when cart release
granted i farm like crazy for max carlotta in 2.0 and 2.1

scenic condor
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it's not the problem 😄

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the problem is that i have to store +0 echos that might have potential might not bc i dont see the subs

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so my inventory gets clogged

ionic quiver
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thats my list of complained

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release it to 9999 string

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make it 9999 slots

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what stopping u

scenic condor
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nothing

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they will do it later

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and have a devs listened moment

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they could do it anytime

ionic quiver
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i been asking this from lupa patch

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and critics has been sent from that time

scenic condor
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thats why im sayin, they dont care about survey, they know what the problems are

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they just wait

ionic quiver
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doesnt change the fact that the limit is dogshit

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and changing is good move

scenic condor
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well why arent they doing it then?

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if u say they listen

ionic quiver
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thats why i complained

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but the graphic problem

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they do listen on some parts

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but im still pissed

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those useless polygon

scenic condor
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what im trying to tell you bro

ionic quiver
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just remove it totally

scenic condor
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is that you think they changed something BECAUSE we put it in a survey

ionic quiver
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i dont see point in adding those in object that already sharpen

scenic condor
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when they dont need survey or complaints, bc they know whats wrong anyway

ionic quiver
scenic condor
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us writing about it doesnt matter

ionic quiver
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unlike certain game that we been complaining for 3 years

scenic condor
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your complaining

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doesnt matter

ionic quiver
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okay i complained genshin stuff for 4 years anw

scenic condor
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they didnt change it bc you complained

ionic quiver
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dude my point were, they will change

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just fucking flame them

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atp i flame them nonstop

scenic condor
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doesnt achieve anything xd

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they will change at their own pace

ionic quiver
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u never know man KEKW

scenic condor
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whether you flame or not

ionic quiver
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nah will keep doing it, dont let this game to comfortable

scenic condor
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i dont think anybody even reads those surveys

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they make good money so they wont care

toxic nebula
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just let players use the normal pull orbs 🥀

limber swan
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So uh, collab looking sick right guys?
Cyberpunk hell yeah

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unfortunately i must skip for lucilla..,

scenic condor
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$$$$

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hope you didnt save corals or convert them into yellow pulls

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cuz they are all useless now

limber swan
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Shitty decision yadda yadda

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The coral shop is crazy work though, kuro wtf

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Kinda blatantly anti F2P, but better for whales in a way i guess

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ok wow, the coral reduction is super steep ontop of having to start from scratch...
this is is AKE level of pettiness

rain ether
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im not pulling aside using the freebies

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also this means that as of now i haven't pull any of the 3.x charas KEKW

open copper
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Skipping the Collab, pulling for Lucilla.

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What does it mean for me?

scenic condor
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wdym what does it mean for you

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it means ur skipping the collab for lucilla

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duh

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what is your question?

open copper
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Like, they substituted the Yellow Orbs for those Red thingies?

scenic condor
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yes

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from the usual login pulls

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it seems so

open copper
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Yikes

limber swan
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Unless you have 160 pulls in asterites or whale
You cant really go for the collab

scenic condor
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i think he asked if collab skippers get less pulls than usual

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and yes we do

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i think

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besides the collab is choppa so it's the easiest skip patch ever

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lucilla also pretty choppa outside hiyuki ngl

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i cant really see what the intention here was but oh well

open copper
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Filler/Bait patch.
It’s only 32 days

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There was some old leak that there will be a Powercreep Wave starting with Mengzhou.

last nest
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It's yap yap alter and her sister

limber swan
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and ther 2nd male of the year

last nest
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Make probably going to be in 3.6 with fox

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Or maybe fix in 3.7

scenic condor
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ofc it's gonna continue

scenic condor
open copper
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Rover’s twin is with that blue lady leaked some days ago

last nest
scenic condor
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?

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define mid

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and define what wouldnt be mid powercreep

last nest
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Pretty slow

scenic condor
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bc it's mechanic creep

last nest
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2.x cast is still mostly alive

scenic condor
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not just raw dps

scenic condor
open copper
scenic condor
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ah

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well i dont want that

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but like

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that alrdy happened

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it just doesnt matter

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bc powercreep isnt about the characters

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it's about the content

last nest
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Hsr. Is pretty crazy powercreep

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During 3.x

scenic condor
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bc hsr is a numbers game

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nothing else

last nest
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Elation been less op atm

scenic condor
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wuwa aint just raw numbers

last nest
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And people bitch about it constantly

scenic condor
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maybe it is for the 123 player

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but wuwa has very good skill expression that lets you rise above

vapid prairie
scenic condor
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raw numbers aint gonna get you far in wuwa

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amy is a great example

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123 break amy that is

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she has morbillion dmg

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but shes darn clunky to play in 123, you get staggered so easily

last nest
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That's why iuno is the queen

scenic condor
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in hsr you have nothing preventing you from dishing out your big numbers

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except shit relics

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i guess

scenic condor
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if u wanna mdps her

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btw @radiant fox didnt you get chisa?

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you did

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iirc

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so you can skip lucilla

last nest
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I didn't expect to like her so much. Her English VA really did great job

scenic condor
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i fully expected to like her so much

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even her shit story quest didnt deter me from it

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or that shitty curtain

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on her belly

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peak gameplay, peak hair, peak animations

last nest
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Her story quest was pretty good imho.

scenic condor
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depends what ur into

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im over the rover love

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so if the story's center is handholding with rover

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it's gonna be a shit story for me

last nest
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(the actual center was chaos lore I would say)

scenic condor
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bleh i slept thru it halfways

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way too much blabla

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way too long

limber swan
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i think both wuwa and hsr are pretty team oriented
like some units are really glued to the hip to their teammates

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~~looking at you bumrika ~~

scenic condor
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and i was still pissed that they left out lupa

scenic condor
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hsr is much more so

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wuwa can be, especially on s0

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but most needy dpses are freed from that with s3

limber swan
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also if you didn't pull lynae, then fuck you i guess

last nest
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Hsr is going collect 4 teammates or don't botger territory

vapid prairie
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Prydwen removed the Partner tag from HSR because they had to admit that literally everyone would have it

limber swan
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your teams now do less damage

scenic condor
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again, not a problem

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good gameplay can always make up for not bis team

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i still see 11k jiyan in matrix

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with fakin mortefi

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not even cia

limber swan
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yeah i believe it, in hsr tho you're kinda cooked

last nest
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Wuwa only has like S0 carty as one team only territory

scenic condor
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s0 jiyan mind you

scenic condor
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any break dps also says hi

last nest
scenic condor
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skiprika says hi too

last nest
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You have 2 teams for her I am pretty sure

scenic condor
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for skiprika?

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no you dont

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it's qiuyuan or bye

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lucilla will be a nice alternative

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but before her, nothing else is there

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of course unlike zani, sigrika is not mechanically challenged

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by the lack of QY

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so in that sense she doesnt rely on anything

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her kit functions fully on s0 without anybody else

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it's just nobody else can buff her properly

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and she cant QS

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so the element of player skill is kinda removed

last nest
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I see people play her with lynea and mornye

scenic condor
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ye cuz generic wheelchair

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works for anything

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she can be played with sanhua just for moonlit+s6 atk buff too

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shes just ognna do crap dmg

last nest
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Well that's what I mean, you can't do that in har

scenic condor
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of course you can

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again, depends on the content

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for AA? sure, jank shit will not rlly fly

last nest
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Who do you suggest I use for s999 over her bis?

scenic condor
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but for moc ? yea it will fly

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no clue abt how s999 works

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or what she wants

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i avoided the entire elation shit

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but dot without kafka would be an example i understand

last nest
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Sparxie and yagunag

scenic condor
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s999 is just a shit character anyway

limber swan
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if by bis you mean yao, then i've seen some cope with asta

open copper
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Isn’t S99 a pretty severe case of only useable with her BiS team?

scenic condor
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eva is way better

limber swan
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but you need an elation

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bare minimum emc

scenic condor
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but ye i think i get what u mean

last nest
scenic condor
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hsr is a LOT more restrictive

limber swan
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nah SW999 goated, dont fall for the propaganda by the eva enjoyers

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trust

scenic condor
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it's not really deniable

last nest
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She won't be top dops in 6 month

scenic condor
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and shes still outdpsing s999

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with a free char on her team

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imejin that

scenic condor
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nobody said she will be

last nest
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Well no shit Eva has 2 teammates for her final team in game sw99 has 1

scenic condor
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your point?

last nest
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The issue is more elation MC is kind of ass

scenic condor
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i only said eva is the top dps

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that is true

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regardless of the reasons

last nest
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Than Eva

scenic condor
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i feel like they toned down elation

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compared to what rem push felt like

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i dont feel an ounce of remorse for skipping them

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while i did feel ehh about not completing the rem team on their debut

last nest
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Rem was more overt powercreep

scenic condor
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yep

last nest
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But elation is even worse for LC

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Skipping elation probably a good move anyway. I just like SW so I pulled

scenic condor
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anyway just to route back to wuwa powercreep, i wouldnt worry just yet

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we had pretty sizeable dmg differences alrdy but the content hp is not absurd yet

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im sure it will be over time

last nest
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Pgr has bad powercreep recently with breakers. But also different game

scenic condor
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pgr has linear consistent powercreep

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we pull every chara

limber swan
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3.x hasn't been too bad so far
jiyan and 2.x units still clearing is a testament to this. even with the recent health inflation with toa

scenic condor
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it's natural

limber swan
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even 4*s clear, with proper investment

scenic condor
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breakers are a mistake tho i agree

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kuro cant fkin math

last nest
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Jinhsi I feel is the only chat who is completely dead from 1.x

scenic condor
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yinlin

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is fully dead

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camellya is dogshit garbage

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encore fared better than her

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xly lives on in quickswap but for 123 hes kinda bad now too

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jiyan aged the best

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even in 123

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and with cia qs ofc his ceiling is way higher

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but not many ppl can do that

last nest
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How many reruns cia got

scenic condor
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3

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altogether

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shes maxed out

limber swan
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xly desperately needs a rerun,
90% of the playerbase missed him

scenic condor
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so carty is not bringing cia with her rerun

last nest
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I kind of want her sig

scenic condor
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and this was confirmed by the stream

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whcih just made me even more sure that peeb was a one time thing

last nest
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Guess going to have to wait for next anni

scenic condor
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bc carty really needs cia and they refused to give her a 4th banner

scenic condor
last nest
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He is kind of cute

scenic condor
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xly is only good for mad qs enthusiasts which is a very small percentage of the playerbase i'd imagine

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xly+calcharo is a really strong duo still

last nest
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But being free is bad for your popularity

scenic condor
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being male

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is bad for your popularity

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in gathering wives

last nest
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(outside of hoyo and otome games)

limber swan
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but being male shouldn't mean you're lost media

last nest
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They should start adding old chars to standard banner imho

scenic condor
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who cant imagine seeing a male in their teams or something

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i will never understand

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but it is what it is

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it's a self-fulfilling prophecy

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wuwa males get minimal if any promotion

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less power in their kits

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and something is always fucked about them

last nest
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Same for zzz

scenic condor
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jiyan was cursed with 1.0 drama, xly free stigma, brant with the unnecessary "i need 250% er" req, qy with negative damage, luuk with npc face, anti-qs while being a midair dps and having to share all of amy's supports

last nest
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At least Wuwa males aren't all released before sentinel resonantor

scenic condor
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in addition to this, mots males are irrelevant to the story

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unlike in zzz

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but if anything, hsr proved that a male push can make good bank

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genshin proved that too

last nest
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Luuk was kind of relevent I would say

scenic condor
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varka revenue did pretty great despite being choppa af on debut

scenic condor
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luuk was the waifu of the patch

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he did get good push too

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but his kit PepeHands

last nest
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A move in the right direction

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Story wise

scenic condor
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they threw so many wrenches

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gawd

last nest
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The strange part is that pgr males are very good

scenic condor
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and hes the only modern dps who does NOT get to be free of his team requirements

last nest
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So idk why Wuwa are worse

scenic condor
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even on s6

scenic condor
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pgr males are strong bc it's pgr

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you cant release a mid unit

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bc of how the game works

limber swan
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i liked luuk story

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but that was less for his backstory and more for the GA stuff

scenic condor
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heck pgr has a history of making broken ass males

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nerfing them a million times in beta

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and still somehow end up being broken live

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nerfing kamui on live servers

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they would have NEVER done that to a female

limber swan
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kamui kinda a mistake huh
hope i can ss before his patch ends

last nest
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It's funny cause Wuwa in 1.x was kind of coping genshin a lot

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Even had a guy on release

scenic condor
last nest
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I think the backlash to 1.x launch and poor xq sales scared then away from males

limber swan
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im totally not a gambler,.,

scenic condor
last nest
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And get alpha since you don't have teddie

scenic condor
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nah

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skip alpha

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teddy is free

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you'll get her from service shop in no time

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wanshi is free from dorm shop

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and alpha will be booted from the team as soon as the breaker arrives

limber swan
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everything that isn't meta relevant gets skipped
i have no connection with alpha

last nest
scenic condor
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every pgr char is meant to be meta relevant

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attackers are just fuckd

limber swan
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every last bc goes to her

scenic condor
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good good

last nest
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Save for Karen ss3 I guess if she is a breaker

scenic condor
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or whatever comes next

last nest
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I am going to sd3 kurumi prob. Unless she is just dead

scenic condor
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i pray she is

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make her a nice A rank

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like brs

last nest
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A rank, Kurumi, right

scenic condor
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another meta collab would be so shit

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i mean, brs was A rank too

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and shes a pretty popular character

last nest
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Kurumi is like more popular than the entire pgr lol

scenic condor
limber swan
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I hope shes meta

scenic condor
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does it matter? the ppl who join for her on her patch will not have her team anyway

last nest
scenic condor
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and most of them will quit afterwards

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just like the dmc tourists

scenic condor
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are you crazy? WheezeTao

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why would you wish for that

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meta team you have to pull on the same patch

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YIKES

last nest
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I am thinking like a greedy exec who wants most money

scenic condor
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i truly dont get pgr execs

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the game makes shit money

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either way

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like what 1-2m?

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peanuts

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1 collab patch wont rake in much more

last nest
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That's not that shit tbh.

scenic condor
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it is shit for them to be greedy about it

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since this never really changed

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so idk what they are expecting

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all they are doing is alienating the playerbase

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for no reason

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revenue has been going down ever since dmc

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cuz whales quit in droves

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most of my smart high rank whale friends quit alrdy

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half of my guild is dead now and we were the top guild of the server

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they should have kept pgr as it was

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and let wuwa give the cash

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hmm looking at the rerun chart

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augusta, galb and qy are the only ones left

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without 3 banners

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and carty ofc but carty is announced alrdy

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even chisa is capped out already lol

limber swan
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Lynae surprisingly reran kinda quick

last nest
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Reddit crying over Collab being only 1 patch. Hoyo fans always give themselves away

toxic nebula
last nest
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It why all gachas suffer

scenic condor
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genshin and hsr aint suffering

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somehow

scenic condor
last nest
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They do. Hsr 4.x Anni was a lot less than 3.x

toxic nebula
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bc surprise surprise, the top 3% controls the economy not the bottom 97%

just like irl

last nest
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And banners overall are down from last year

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Idk about genshin I don't care to salespost there

scenic condor
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and castorice was not

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i mean ye she was to me

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but apparently not to others

last nest
scenic condor
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cuz she is a snooze ass flop WheezeTao

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but ppl had fomo for global passive ig

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idk

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i only pulled her cuz i came back on that patch and i needed a modern dps

marble sapphire
scenic condor
toxic nebula
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atleast remembrance actually had new mechanic even if undercooked

meanwhile elation is just a rebranded followup

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kinda lazy ngl

scenic condor
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elation is cutscene vomit

marble sapphire
scenic condor
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im sure it is

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but it's hugely popular

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and a lot of gacha players only know hoyo

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so thats their basis of comparison

last nest
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hsr is just dead mechanicaly atp I think. they clearly have no idea how to inovate the gameplay

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Thankfully for them Cygames and Aniplex are incompetent fucks so their is no competition

scenic condor
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theres only so much you can do with this

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and they dont even have to try

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cuz ppl will play anyway

last nest
scenic condor
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pretty game, low effort to play too

scenic condor
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ahh how i'd love if hsr had r99's gameplay

last nest
marble sapphire
last nest
scenic condor
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thats fine

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work on it harder

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i'd love a genshin but granblue

last nest
#

but fact remains that gbf with normal grinad and without phone ui/graphics would fucking kill hsr and make much more money

scenic condor
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relink is fine but it's just more gbf grind

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and i dont need that

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heck it's worse

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cuz it's more manual effort

last nest
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Relink is a lot of busy work

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i don't like that

open copper
#

Cygames has an absolutely awful Parent Company.

marble sapphire
#

well...they do answer to a big media

marble sapphire
old summit
last nest
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but tbf this is just a very basic ass introduction

open copper
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The portal comparison I’ve already seen, but the Genshin’s sound is new

limber swan
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I thought the nte controversies died down by now?
Twitter andies got nothing better to do

toxic nebula
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they just reaching for any crumb of low effort drama farming nowadays,

limber swan
#

the Great Gacha War

old summit
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@scenic condor what is it are you guys talking about

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Related to nerfed corals?

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Is it just related to the collab

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Or are corals nerfed for the game from here on out?

open copper
#

CN fandom wars are brutal.
Makes the petty fandom wars of Twitter look like child-play

limber swan
scenic condor
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collab uses its own everything

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own banner/pity/pull type/corals

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no change for regular game

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just ignore collab

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lame shit

#

also the coral price is higher for collab dupe xd

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like wtf

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pgr makes collab banners cheaper to pull on

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and wuwa is doin the opposite

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they really have trust that ppl will pull on this huh

limber swan
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milk the cow while it lasts

#

they know what's up, i respect it

old summit
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@scenic condor I heard there's no guarantee in collab banner

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Is that true

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And does that apply to both kinds?

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If true

scenic condor
#

same rules apply

#

as regular banners

#

wep banner has no 50/50

old summit
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Yeah I know char is 50/50

#

But it is like forever 50/50?

scenic condor
#

no?

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i just said

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same rules apply

#

😄

old summit
#

Ah ok,I just read somewhere that there was no guarantee

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So i just wanted to make sure

scenic condor
#

ppl mad there's 50/50

#

like come on folks wake up

#

it's all a scam

#

just go play cyberpunk and make your own lucy instead

#

all this for a mid dps

last nest
#

Good guy kuro really making it obvious you shouldn't pull

open copper
#

I mean, Lucy has Carlotta tier DPS.

#

This is such a blatant Bait banner, that it makes me feel bad for new players coming just for Cyberpunk.

scenic condor
#

collab is bait most of the time in most games

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hsr is the exception

#

so all the hoyobabies get baited

#

tho saber was bait too

#

archer slipped thru

#

r99 handled AC collab well too

#

ezio lasted pretty nicely in the meta

#

ok tbh now that i think about it

#

ak collabs are meta too

#

so maybe then this is the outlier? WheezeTao

radiant fox
#

Case in point Yato and Orchid

scenic condor
#

sakiko is no less meta than yalter

#

ela?

#

ash i concede, she was never really that big

#

but ela definitely was

#

the fact you would label sakiko or ela as subpar or decent adjacent is crazy WheezeTao

weak jay
scenic condor
radiant fox
scenic condor
#

what

#

ela's main selling point are her mines as well has her flexible tile deployment

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not her being "sniper adjacent"

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thats a bonus

old summit
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btw