it was eh
#Wuthering Waves
quasi moth
I liked the gap moe aspect
I expected yinlin to be a dommy mommy type
Can’t plan 160 pulls on the very first patch
God fucking damn it
I fucking hate these timed missions
vapid prairie
I fucking hate these timed missions
That's for in game time tho
quasi moth
Why is this a fucking fetch quest
quasi moth
That's for in game time tho
It is? Damn I thought it was real time lemao
How do I check in game time?
vapid prairie
clock at bottom right of menu
glass galleon
How do I check in game time?
its legit like the 2nd quest you do at the start of the game 
where you are forced to change the time
formal jetty
Its ok
We all have selective amnesia for the first couple acts
Very understandable
candid loom
We all have gacha brainrot also
quasi moth
where you are forced to change the time
I took like a 5 day break in between
I honestly can’t remember the starting 3 hours of the game
Cuz I decided to spread those 2-3 hours within line the first week of the game
quasi moth
We all have selective amnesia for the first couple acts
I legitimately don’t know shit about this game
I’ll be asking a lot here
formal jetty
Well
You only rly need to pay attention to act 5 and 6
Most of it u cant skip anyways
formal jetty
steep blaze
quasi moth
I am still going side quests and shit
zealous grove
Oh, there's a patch? 
manic rune
idk , its probably a thing since the start 
we just werent high enough lvl to trigger it
zealous grove
Ah, that might be. I just couldn't be bothered lowering it when I sometime decide to farm. 
steep blaze
Cat
weak jay
Ah, that might be. I just couldn't be bothered lowering it when I sometime decid...
friend is soon 40, hardmode soon
zealous grove
friend is soon 40, hardmode soon
||Already am ||
steep blaze
Im playing slow af and 37 now 
young forge
I heard 5* echoes are supposed to be guaranteed at some point
at 20 its 80% gold
in 1.1 its at 21 with 100% gold
quasi moth
I see
I mean 80% gold is still pretty good tho
Tbf*
Good that it’s actually gonna be 100 now tho
young forge
but it succs to get purple
nocturne tinsel
I heard 5* echoes are supposed to be guaranteed at some point
DB21
quasi moth
vapid prairie
i literally just got 3 purples in a row just now
That Shadoba bad luck gotta end up somewhere
manic rune
i havent play the game since the 1st svo qualifiers
quasi moth
That Shadoba bad luck gotta end up somewhere
It’s good luck considering it’s 20% to get the purple
vapid prairie
It’s good luck considering it’s 20% to get the purple
So it's good luck to get 3 Mikael in first 10 cards for Sword 
quasi moth
So it's good luck to get 3 Mikael in first 10 cards for Sword <:Naruhodo:8184736...
I always get invocation shit in my head
Triple dread lord is arguably worse than triple mikael
Statistically lucky
Context wise, not so much
quasi moth
It’s a blue but I finally caught my first shiny
glass galleon
marble sapphire
quasi moth
https://vxtwitter.com/Yuutama2804/status/1800513485685846337 <:variaThonk:818471...
She literally got dragon scales
Twitter people man
I found the scales cuter, just saying
young forge
manic rune
zealous grove
vocal ginkgo
Basically pole dancing 
scenic condor
lol
wuwa 30mil downloads
if u repost the announcement u get a chance to be one of the TEN people who gets 10 pulls
everybody else gets nothing
funny pr
quasi moth
https://youtu.be/_Qk-ESnCOtI?si=cATGrzGiPxayLXCv <:ArisaKek:818638577280745472>
I’m confused
Just
Just look up fanart at that point
Better than in game models
formal jetty
Btw im pretty sure they ignored the 10mill download milestone
And completely skipped the 20m
formal jetty
They put out a tweet about 10m one
quasi moth
Well I guess we just assume we won’t get shit for hitting milestones that fast
formal jetty
Ill rmb bros when they were good devs in pgr now they have become the corrupted ones
quasi moth
It’s either different devs or it’s these devs tryna copy genshin
Like
That is NOT the move
quasi moth
Depressing moment
And this is how ya know to never trust a company
Anyone linked to a company is not trustworthy
formal jetty
They decide to be cheapskate with you so we should return the favor
Always room on my f2p train
Choo choo
quasi moth
I mean I’ll just delete the game the moment my interest waned
Wanes*
That’s not an issue
I’m permanently quitting pgr tho, cuz of this
I’ll perma delete my pgr account just to make sure
O wait
I read it wrong
Okay pgr is safe
I can’t read for shit
quasi moth
if u repost the announcement u get a chance to be one of the TEN people who gets...
It said if
quasi moth
Well it still sucks that they didn’t do one for 20 mill but at least they didn’t fuck it up like genshin
that is all what I want from kuro, just don’t fuck it up
north venture
1 0 F R E E P U L L S ?
north venture
+300 more stamina
u mean 4 4* echoes and one 5* echo with a useless mainstat
manic rune
formal jetty
They never gave us anything for 10m
formal jetty
Lets not use genshin as the standard
scenic condor
why not do this in the first place
vapid prairie
Thanks gaem for completing my Mortefi. 
formal jetty
They are not
manic rune
idk why they thought 10x for 10 players is not gonna backfire
scenic condor
top revenue game
formal jetty
Becauz they r the biggest
formal jetty
They get away with treating their playerbase like garbage
scenic condor
the playerbase fully deserves it
scenic condor
of course it is
formal jetty
I agree
vapid prairie
idk why they thought 10x for 10 players is not gonna backfire
Still better than Airpods for 1st prize on cosplay contest
scenic condor
everybody wants be hoyo
formal jetty
Genshit players deserve the shit treatment they get
formal jetty
If by being the “best” gets you genshin treatment
manic rune
genshin players are used to eating shit , it is what it is
manic rune
formal jetty
Perhaps we should not wish Wuwa to beat genshin
They should be like 4th or 5th best game
vapid prairie
Genshin players apologising to Hoyo when returning to it after playing WuWa
manic rune
guess u need to wait abit , idk 
vapid prairie
Every mail takes 2-5 mins after login
manic rune
i just saw a red exclamation mark and just checked mail
vapid prairie
Watch Ariel get a Chixia from 10 roll
formal jetty
ofc the crying has to be justified
scenic condor
Watch Ariel get a Chixia from 10 roll
let this go already
formal jetty
Bros rly tried to celebrate 30m milestone with a twitter giveaway
manic rune
i got discord in 10x
scenic condor
this is not that account
manic rune
scenic condor
*genshin would never need to
formal jetty
vapid prairie
You don't count as one of the 30 mil downloads 
scenic condor
honestly
i cant recommend wuwa
to anybody
some friends of mine asked about it
told them to not bother
go play pgr instead
cuz wuwa is just gonna be really boring eventually...just like genshin
endless gear grind
and slightly more interesting but just as much bruteforceable combat
formal jetty
Pgr
scenic condor
wheres the grind in pgr?
theres literally zero rng involved
also pgr isnt dead
it's very much supported
idk what "dead" means to you
formal jetty
I forgot how much grind there really was but it was like 90% grinding 10% doing fun content iirc
Regions matter
For me
It is dead
scenic condor
regions?
formal jetty
You do realize pgr has asia version and global version
candid loom
Neyuh wants to be hip & happening
scenic condor
I forgot how much grind there really was but it was like 90% grinding 10% doing ...
there's zero grind
scenic condor
You do realize pgr has asia version and global version
yeah i do realize
formal jetty
And the global version is very much dead aka mine
scenic condor
but i still understand why pgr would be dead when other players playing has no effect on your gameplay
scenic condor
And the global version is very much dead aka mine
same as mine
formal jetty
Nah
formal jetty
Asia side is alive i still see it on top 10 revenue from time to time
formal jetty
Wait what
scenic condor
im eu you dimwit
formal jetty
Ohh…
candid loom
He lives in Europe lmfao why would he play on Asia
steep blaze
formal jetty
Must have mistaken you with someone else, sorry
scenic condor
pgr has no grind cause it's autosweep for the same event shop if you still need stuff from it, no rng involved whatsoever, every piece of gear is buyable, for free, very fast
formal jetty
Autosweep?
steep blaze
Would Russians pick asia or europe
scenic condor
yep
formal jetty
Ig it has evolved
scenic condor
when did u last play again?
formal jetty
Back when i still played theres no such thing
candid loom
Would Russians pick asia or europe
Depends where they live but prob Europe
formal jetty
First 2 months of launch
steep blaze
candid loom
Waza is Europe
steep blaze
Cn people 
candid loom
CN has more people but less land area
Canada has the lowest population density in the world, and is 2nd largest by land area
scenic condor
anyway. i recommend pgr to anybody who wants to enjoy a game with mechanically intensive combat without "endgame" being gear grind
formal jetty
I still remember back then
Ppl were saying
If you cared about pgr, download jp version
formal jetty
Cuz like global ppl were getting shafted
While JP peeps were getting showered with stuff
candid loom
Global ppl are always getting shafted
formal jetty
It was pretty disgusting
candid loom
But I’m not gonna nuke my ping just to not get shafted 
scenic condor
perks of this is having a nice roadmap to plan your shit around
candid loom
scenic condor
im really glad it's an underdog game
formal jetty
But they clearly missed their window to have a good community going
scenic condor
cuz devs cant be greedy
scenic condor
yeah
candid loom
Same with Wuwa
scenic condor
they fumbled wuwa too
candid loom
scenic condor
must be a kuro thing
candid loom
Smol indie company
scenic condor
i hope wuwa tanks a bit so they have to be generous
and they still have to listen our crying
formal jetty
I wouldnt say they fumbled wuwa like they did pgr
They will still be solid top 5 game
scenic condor
cn seemed to have given up on wuwa tho
formal jetty
They’re waitin on more changes
scenic condor
top 5 is pushing it
candid loom
Ain’t no way it’ll be top 5
formal jetty
Yea
candid loom
scenic condor
i always hear how that game makes a lot via boobs
formal jetty
They are usually top3
scenic condor
who else is high
quasi moth
Dokkan has been in the game for nearly a decade
candid loom
is nikke high up?
Nikke is 3rd on Sensor Tower
quasi moth
9 odd years in global, almost 10 years for jp
candid loom
For global
quasi moth
I haven’t opened Dokkan in a while
quasi moth
Honestly tho, if that is the case then I’m all in
Nikke seems like it has a good story, too bad I can’t enjoy the gameplay
candid loom
Wait Jenshit isn’t #1 any more
scenic condor
that nobody cares for
formal jetty
Thats their fault then
scenic condor
furina rerun will pull more probably
candid loom
Wuwa is like 8th
quasi moth
What, chlorinde?
candid loom
In global
scenic condor
clorinde is skippable
quasi moth
Think the last waifu genshin people cared-
scenic condor
as in she does nothing remarkable
candid loom
AFK Journey is poggers ngl
scenic condor
im sure furina rerun will make good bank
candid loom
Fun brainless game
scenic condor
so with zzz out they just need 1 more game
and then they can cover the entire year
alternating new releases
quasi moth
well I gotta max out cecia’s weapon but that’s a separate matter
scenic condor
cuz hi3 doesnt matter ofc
how did hi3 part 2 do btw? did the game get more popular?
i'd wager they lost a lot of old players and gained some new
so probably about the same as before
or worse
doubt it's doing better
zzz will probably do fine
candid loom
So… the top 5 in May 2024:
CN: HSR, Naruto Mobile, Arknights, Love and Deepspace, Jenshit
JP: Monster Strike, FGO, Puzzles & Dragons, Idolmaster, Uma Musume
Global: Solo Leveling: Arise, HSR, Jenshit, Nikke, AFK JOURNEY
formal jetty
I didnt get into afk journey cuz of artstyles
Otherwise its great game
Sololeveling will die soon
That game is a hot mess
scenic condor
what wuwa needs to fix asap is their models acting weirdly when walking
formal jetty
I never played it even tho i like naruto lol
scenic condor
especially on stairs
it looks so bad
it's so obvious it's their run animation but slowed down
their joints are so weirdly placed
scenic condor
So… the top 5 in May 2024:
CN: HSR, Naruto Mobile, Arknights, Love and Deepspace...
AK huh
ah
cn
okay makes sense
most broken banner of ALL time
candid loom
CN loves Arknights lol
burnt mortar
While JP peeps were getting showered with stuff
this is what was the case with early NA fgo
since fgo devs gradually started giving more and more
so the NA players were upset at how JP players actually got stuff while we missed even the twitter milestones due to small userbase big target
formal jetty
Jp do spend more
But the gap is not as big anymore
Since gacha has become more globally accepted
Thanks genshit
You helped spread this plague
formal jetty
Im simple give me pull i will shill wuwa best game!!!
last nest
Just in time to build her for Jinhsi
quasi moth
I had to full 80 on jianxin
God is t fair
Isn’t
Well, just 4 more pulls and I get the onee san
steep blaze
Wtf
Im farming for sanhua and 3 times 3 cr cdmg
My main electro team still have no good piece
quasi moth
Happens
native crystal
I love that for some reason, they didn't let people to skip the most useless part of the game (for me), the character story
formal jetty
For devs they think this part is unskippable
They want you to understand jiyan is good boi and you should pull for him wink wink
Aka the entire purpose of having this character story in the first place
native crystal
I couldn't care less tbh
fathom fjord
how did hi3 part 2 do btw? did the game get more popular?
U want gacha for S rank, gacha for S rank again next patch, gacha for S rank the following patch n gacha for S...
native crystal
it's not the main story, and usually the main story can reveal majority of the character's character
formal jetty
Its mostly for advertising the character
So they want you to care more about him
Letting you skip defeats the purpose
native crystal
I can see that, but I still hate it
formal jetty
Ye
Just explaining why they do it, and its annoying if you care very little for the char and are just here for the rewards
scenic condor
U want gacha for S rank, gacha for S rank again next patch, gacha for S rank the...
new S rank every patch? do they back it up with currency?
cuz if not then thats trash
formal jetty
I personally have a different approach, if a story has voiceacting i will listen
Just wanna experience the higher effort materials the game has to offer
fathom fjord
new S rank every patch? do they back it up with currency?
Easier to full gear now, everything within 150 pulls
Unless stigma luck sucks
But it's common to near full 90 pulls for characters
Signature weapon is now guaranteed at 60 pulls
formal jetty
Imagine pulling for weapons
scenic condor
but it's a nice improvement
fathom fjord
Gear banner only have the featured valk's stigma set n weapon
formal jetty
Nikke could never
fathom fjord
So every 10 pull u get one those 4,
fathom fjord
The gear banner got revamped til the weapon curse meme where u get so many copies of a weapon during ur pull
fathom fjord
Turn into u usually only get weapon at 60th pull
Early if lucky
All part 2 stigmas are craftable
burnt mortar
Nikke could never
this game isn't ready for a character wearing just a towel yet
fathom fjord
But good luck on the material hell
To craft stigmas
Gear drops from 1st -59th pull all likely stigma anyway
formal jetty
this game isn't ready for a character wearing just a towel yet
You are so right
fathom fjord
So craftable stigma helps but doesn't help a lot
Story from first two patches of part 2 = WuWa act 1-4
burnt mortar
yeah crown was what I was referencing
fathom fjord
scenic condor
Story from first two patches of part 2 = WuWa act 1-4
yikes
im glad i got out when i did
zero interest in the new cast
formal jetty
You can put a gun to my head rn and force me to recall what happened from act 1-4 in more than 2 sentences and id say just shoot me already
quasi moth
You are so right
What king? 
Arc 3 was peak for wuwa
1 and 2 were atrocious
Rest, besides the final fight, we’re meh
Well not even the final fight
The boss fights are kinda fun
formal jetty
What king? <:variaW:818471264581713931>
She knows the hierarchy, she says the queen is below king in power so she chooses to be king
quasi moth
I c
formal jetty
Act 4 is scar act right?
formal jetty
Ok i take that back i kinda remember it
quasi moth
Act 4 is scar boss fight I think?
steep blaze
formal jetty
The first3 act god
steep blaze
Maybe
formal jetty
Wtf happened
quasi moth
Act 3 was scar’s encounter with mc
steep blaze
Act 5 is yapping something
quasi moth
The whole black sheep metaphor
steep blaze
Act 6 is boss fight
formal jetty
I just wandered around i think while yangyang never shut up
I think thats a pretty good summary
For act 1-3
quasi moth
Act 4 was him meeting with Jinshi and then trapping scar or something
formal jetty
Wait…
quasi moth
Like scar came to library and then we had his boss fight
formal jetty
You are right actually
I just counted the whole scar arc as 1 act
When its in fact 2 acts
Thanks friend
fathom fjord
yikes
Currently, record is 5 consecutive patches where new valk is S ranker u have to gacha for
quasi moth
I remember bits and pieces but I can only remember act 3 in detail
fathom fjord
I'm expecting it to go to 7 based on leaks
formal jetty
Ill be extremely serious now and try to recall what happened
Legit no trolling
So mc started out in space
Got touched by white celestial waifu
Dropped down to wuwa world
Woken up by yangyang and chixia
Went back to jinzhou ..
quasi moth
Mhm
quasi moth
There was like a moment where we got attacked by some rogue guys who were tryna steal some parts off a machine
formal jetty
Isnt that where we met jianxin
quasi moth
Got a bunch of weird items and just ran around for awhile
I think that’s pretty much it tho
quasi moth
Isnt that where we met jianxin
Ye ye
formal jetty
Ok
quasi moth
Like we meet her, split up, see the people
formal jetty
I need to associate events around certain characters i meet to truly rmb
quasi moth
I can’t remember the details of any of the conversation we had
Like Tf did we talk about with mortefi and baizhi?
formal jetty
No wonder i dont rmb much of 1-2
Cuz nothing really happened lol
I still rmb pgr vividly to this day the opening act
I suddenly got put into a fight or die situation as the start 
Then everyone fking died
quasi moth
I can’t remember pgr one cuz I never read the story
formal jetty
Shit was jarring
quasi moth
I gotta read it at some point
native crystal
finally, after like 60-70 pulls
quasi moth
Nice 50/50
formal jetty
YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
formal jetty
Winners win
quasi moth
I got Jinshi guaranteed but I really wanted Yinlin
native crystal
Nice 50/50
idk if this game as guarantee, because I lost my 50/50 on verina
formal jetty
I got her at 120th pull
quasi moth
idk if this game as guarantee, because I lost my 50/50 on verina
It is fucking not
native crystal
on jiyan banner
quasi moth
Got a lingyang dupe and lost the 50/50
fathom fjord
idk if this game as guarantee, because I lost my 50/50 on verina
Got
quasi moth
Ohhh
native crystal
yeah
quasi moth
Well at least ya got verina and not a Lingyang dupe
I am not playing him anymore
He denied my onee san
fathom fjord
idk if this game as guarantee, because I lost my 50/50 on verina
U can't lose on weapon banner oso, so u can see standard weapon banner as actual exclusives
quasi moth
Ye weapon banner are pretty stonks
native crystal
I see
restive dirge
Frick
young forge
<@124889575322550273> you know i am alive from shadowfresh’s server. I was just ...
i mean on this server
formal jetty
There was no reason for me to be here… until now
Encore is cute https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/115293077
rough token
Burned fucking 141 pulls man
Now i'm broke
quasi moth
People going broke for yn
vapid prairie
Burned fucking 141 pulls man
Now i'm broke<:loria:1179096680868618381>
Did you get those 30 gems from sharing tho
quasi moth
Damn
rough token
Did you get those 30 gems from sharing tho
I'm playing on cloud
So i can't
Saving that 30 gems for future pulls
quasi moth
noicce
restive dirge
Ww bad
marble sapphire
i should do my dailies in the morning or afternoon, if i push it to the night i fall asleep instead...
quasi moth
ionic quiver
ded gaem
scenic condor
@nocturne tinsel how useful are subs that provide specific atk type dmg %?
nocturne tinsel
on most characters, slightly better than flat atk
nocturne tinsel
deece,
flat atk is just that good
nocturne tinsel
they're only better than atk% of the same roll when that atk type is >40% of that character's damage
and flat atk isnt far behind atk%
nocturne tinsel
basically a highroll flat atk is equivalent to a midroll atk%
scenic condor
in terms of being able to put together good stuff
nocturne tinsel
sub malding echoes is pain bc you dont get the first couple subs for free
scenic condor
ikr
nocturne tinsel
mainstat farming is great
scenic condor
more subs, less value, more bloat
nocturne tinsel
its about the same rate of acquisition as genshin
scenic condor
wdym by that
nocturne tinsel
but it feels worse bc you have to check so many more before you get the good one
nocturne tinsel
in genshin you only get a particularly good arti about once/twice per week
the values are more spread out
not lower
you actually get more value off of subs than in genshin
scenic condor
in genshin you only get a particularly good arti about once/twice per week
and wuwa is more frequent we just dont see it yet cause no xp to lvl ?
nocturne tinsel
the lack of xp to level brings it down from as often as you want to about as often as genshin
scenic condor
but why is wuwa more value per sub?
nocturne tinsel
each wuwa sub is worth ~2 genshin subs worth
genshin can get a total of 9 subs
so 5 2x value subs is 10
scenic condor
but genshin has higher crit mainstat value
the number is higher
than what we have
is that the same for the other mainstats too?
quasi moth
does the higher crit stat matter 
nocturne tinsel
all the mainstats are ~2/3s of what they would be in genshin
but the subs range from 2-3x what they would be in genshin
scenic condor
do they?
i can roll higher cdmg sub in genshin
than i can in wuwa
but yea i get it cause if lucky wuwa subs can act like multirolled genshin subs
giving more overall value
vapid prairie
but the subs range from 2-3x what they would be in genshin
For clarification, you mean 2-3x better on average right?
nocturne tinsel
For clarification, you mean 2-3x better on average right?
yes
the 2x is on average
3x is comparing both games highroll subs
scenic condor
but
wuwa cant outroll genshin cv subs
AND genshin having higher main cv stats too
can it?
oh wait it can
cause
nocturne tinsel
CV is not king
nocturne tinsel
Roll value>crit value
scenic condor
thats like....an obvious one
vapid prairie
the 2x is on average
Okay. So in terms of distribution:
WuWa - higher average lower variance
Genshin - Lower average higher variance
Higher variance mainly due to the extra layer of rng that is the substat levelling system
nocturne tinsel
even at their best in genshin, crit subs were only ~20% better than atk subs
which is nowhere near enough to make higher crit outperform more subs
scenic condor
ppl latch onto cv cause we have no other way to judge if the pieces are good
cv is an easy to see number
nocturne tinsel
Roll value
scenic condor
and im not gonna calc how this or that non-cv sub affects me
nocturne tinsel
scenic condor
cuz i just dont know
I DONT KNOW WHAT ROLL VALUE IS
like
to me
cv is the only thing that matters
nocturne tinsel
time for me to bring out my RV copypasta for genshin
scenic condor
everything else u can get from other sources
but there are rarely any cv buffers
atk buff, dmg buff is plenty
well not plenty
bennett
but dmg buff sure is plenty
nocturne tinsel
RV is only needed once you cross 300 total CV on build(including base and weapon), before that CV is king
basically to calc RV take note of all useful subs and divide them by the max sub for that
900% is the absolute max possible RV, and 700% is generally considered a very good piece
for subs you count, count CR/CD/ER/EM + the highest of HP%, atk%, def% (and not at all on hp/atk/def sands/hats/cups)
flat stats get a multiplier of 0.1 and crit subs get a multiplier of 1.2
for whether to roll
for flower/feather 700 is bare minimum, abandon ship if unlikely to cross
800 is insane and often going to be off piece consideration, anything above 900 is a unicorn, 1040 is theoretical max
for sands, 600 is acceptable, but don't roll unless it's likely to cross 650
for crit/EM hat 400 is acceptable, 500 is the goal, 600 is insane, 900 is theoretical max
for dmg% /EM goblet same generally applies, though you can raise standards as you get better cups on your account
treat atk/hp/def goblets the way you would feathers
in terms of what to roll for
I use these assumptions
I assume that any further roll that cannot hit crit or is a 4th line roll will be worth 70 RV , any roll that can hit 1 crit stat is worth 90, and any that can hit 2 is worth 100 RV
any flower/feather or hp/def/atk hat/cup that does not hit 700 RV is an auto bail
for timepieces 650 is the minimum
for crit hats/damage cups 500
and for EM cups/hats, I just keep the best 3 in the set
for an idea of how much 700 RV is
an artifact with 45 CV and 2 trash subs is 700 RV
if you really want, you can also add main stats to the mix for RVs, in which case, relevant main stat on sands is 800 added RV, crit hats are 960, and dmg% cups are 1200 or so
and for set effects dmg% to sub conversion is 3.9 dmg% for 1 sub. This last bit is mainly way2dank for manually selecting artifact, and while it will give you the exact GO set 99 times out of 100, it's easier to just use GO there.
Also because 1-3 stat units like generic fav holder, shenhe, and yunjin exist, it's worth leveling any 4liners with high CR +ER, and worth keeping any artifacts that randomly highroll the same stat 4 times even if they fall below the threshold
@scenic condor
full system for RV in genshin
scenic condor
300 total cv
nocturne tinsel
this includes your base 50 CD 5CR
scenic condor
is this the 75/250?
scenic condor
75/150
ah genshin
okay
i meant for wuwa
im trying to translate this to wuwa
where it's harder to hit 75/250
nocturne tinsel
havent done the math to translate to wuwa yet
bc the dmg% bonuses are so wildly varying in utility
scenic condor
which is why i said wuwa has too much bloat
nocturne tinsel
its not bloat bc they are useful
and their existence means you are far less likely to roll the truly horrid substats
vapid prairie
Genshin -> 10 substats + extra layer of rng with substat leveling
HSR -> 12 substats + substat leveling
WuWa -> 13 substats
But yeah too much bloat on WuWa's part
scenic condor
Genshin -> 10 substats + extra layer of rng with substat leveling
HSR -> 12 subs...
wdym extra layer
wuwa has the extra layer too
it's not fixed sub values
it's still a range
and you still can lowroll or highroll them
if wuwa had fixed values that would make it more consistent
in wuwa the floor of subs is higher
but the ceiling is lower
the base cdmg roll is 12.6
vapid prairie
wuwa has the extra layer too
Getting a substat is 2 layers in WuWa
What substat and its value
Getting a substat in the other 2 games is 3 layers is
What substat, if it gets levelled, and if so how much they increase by.
nocturne tinsel
the ceiling is a lot higher
nocturne tinsel
a 1 CD roll in wuwa can roll up to 21%
scenic condor
while in genshin i can go way higher
nocturne tinsel
in terms of roll value it is
scenic condor
oh
yeah
but i only care about cv
so
the rest doesnt matter to me
but this is what u meant then
by rv
cause wuwa has lower crit rolls
nocturne tinsel
more useful subs> higher CV
scenic condor
as maxmium
but in return more useful subs
this is just less casual friendly
cause no way ppl can tell if they rolled good shit or not
cv is the easiest thing to look at
nocturne tinsel
you can
scenic condor
and 75/250 is a lot harder to achieve
than 75/150 in genshin
meaning i will have to find sheets or go to you if im unsure about my rolls
cause i cant rely on cv alone
nocturne tinsel
literally just count how many useful rolls you got compared to their average roll
it is not hard to intuit
vapid prairie
more useful subs> higher CV
I cannot tell you the amount of times I saw a "top 1% Jianxin" because of their CV being 75/220 only for their ATK and energy regen to be 1.3k and 110%
nocturne tinsel
the text wall is for if you want to fully count it
1300k?
that's like 1.3 million atk
scenic condor
@nocturne tinsel how do i prove ppl that genshin also has the 150% cdmg baseline?
i got into argument with ppl about this
vapid prairie
Whoops i mean 1.3 k
vapid prairie
Exam burnout getting to me
nocturne tinsel
and they say theres no evidence online
just... record a crit and a noncrit of the same attack
and show the damage multiplier from crit
the bear floor in experimental zone is a great way to do this
scenic condor
yeah
i told them i got this from doing it myself
not some CC
so they should go test for themselves
and by "myself" i mean me atilla and I
scenic condor
@nocturne tinsel and why is flat atk more useful in wuwa?
vapid prairie
Okay. He has S2 Jianxin. This is my Goal
https://fxtwitter.com/Rude_Impact/status/1796745163559055480
nocturne tinsel
<@281162955981324298> and why is flat atk more useful in wuwa?
because it rolls so much higher
quasi moth
I still gotta do the final stage in the base tower
nocturne tinsel
it rolls 30-70
quasi moth
I am missing 1 star there cuz my sanhua was underlevelled
nocturne tinsel
meanwhile genshin rolls 13.62-19.45
vapid prairie
it rolls 30-70
And 70 is nearly equivalent to a 10% ATK increase on my Jianxin
quasi moth
so flat attack has a better scaling
doesnt hsr have like
what is the attack scaling on hsr?
nocturne tinsel
and atk% is 6.4-11.6%
quasi moth
I mean it kinda sucks to hit flat attack either way cuz you could be hitting better stuff
oh
nocturne tinsel
so a highroll flat atk is almost as good as a highroll atk%
quasi moth
I see
nocturne tinsel
for split damage characters like HMC your ideal piece will be
CD CR ATK% ATK ER
scenic condor
okay so
last gripe then
not seeing the subs upfront
and the refund is not high enough
so im just bleeding mats
if tuners didnt exist
quasi moth
how do I increase my data bank level again?
scenic condor
would be better
quasi moth
I feel like echo hunting still isnt fast nuff
scenic condor
how do I increase my data bank level again?
collect each rarity of each enemy
nocturne tinsel
how do I increase my data bank level again?
get echoes at higher rarity
vapid prairie
how do I increase my data bank level again?
Get new rarities of echoes you don't have
scenic condor
also do your guidebook missions, they give some db exp
vapid prairie
@quasi moth go in databank and reverse sort the list by echo exp. Go find the lowest rarity echo
quasi moth
<@1239692680121028752> go in databank and reverse sort the list by echo exp. Go ...
I'll do that then
vapid prairie
How do I get the first one?
Go find best waifu in Jinzhou that gives you the Lootmapper. She's the black icon near the west entrance
nocturne tinsel
on the west side of jinzhou
nocturne tinsel
How do I get the first one?
redeem exploration progress here
vapid prairie
This cutie
quasi moth
I know the cutie
quasi moth
redeem exploration progress here
is there like a milestone I gotta hit?
nocturne tinsel
yeah
vapid prairie
is there like a milestone I gotta hit?
Collect enough points. Kinda how you slaved for Clockie for credits
vapid prairie
And don't forget the second best girl that gives 5 standard rolls if she sees your wood
quasi moth
I got 2 of the rolls
nocturne tinsel
nocturne tinsel
quasi moth
opening fast travel portals count towards exploration right?
vapid prairie
Yeah. They increase your exploration % faster than chests
vapid prairie
A viewpoint collect gives you a big chunk of exploration %
ionic quiver
@nocturne tinsel is it confirm that basic atk bonus, heavy atk bonus , reso skill / liberat damage bonus is just another name for elemental damage bonus?
vapid prairie
I can hunt echos in between those too
Yeah. It might seem slow if you're only exploring one area
vapid prairie
<@281162955981324298> is it confirm that basic atk bonus, heavy atk bonus , reso...
He answered this earlier for me. It's added onto elemental damage %
nocturne tinsel
<@281162955981324298> is it confirm that basic atk bonus, heavy atk bonus , reso...
they only apply to that kind of damage
but they add with your elemental dmg%
vapid prairie
For that particular attack
vapid prairie
That's I'm building Jianxin with Heavy ATK
quasi moth
Exploring is pretty tedious but it’s pretty fun here
marble sapphire
the x2 sim training event is simultaneously useful but also inhibits me from spending resin on other stuff
vapid prairie
I'm waiting for skill mat doubling
marble sapphire
...i should do the companion quests but i worry its gonna have long cutscenes thanks to lionboy's
formal jetty
Exact same tower of adversity
quasi moth
Nice
nocturne tinsel
nice
candid loom
I feel like echo hunting still isnt fast nuff
It doesn’t take that long
Just track them
In the guidebook
candid loom
formal jetty
Last event day for 2x training simulation rewards, get ur 3 attempts done!!
formal jetty
Finished getting all resonance caskets
Still gotta find chests, blobfly, viewpoints
Maybe ill be more motivated when changli release comes close
young forge
Still gotta find chests, blobfly, viewpoints
i got caskets passvily exploring
and i am not ready to 100 shit
my exploration between 60 and 80 percent
on avg
errant lily
