Arknights

[wanton stratus]

Real…?
REAL

I’ve always felt that 2sp offensive recovery skills have a lot of potential, but every operator who has them just has a more preferred skill to use though

Like Silverash S1 compared to S3

[tardy vigil]

Vivi s1 is afk short recovery, enough to one shot/almost enemies that come in constant flow

This 18-18 skill still is down half the time

[wanton stratus]

Don’t kid yourself

We know your Vivi isn’t M3

[willow nymph]

if it can charge 8s you can time s2 surtr

[tardy vigil]

false, every other skill is bad just like viviana

[willow nymph]

I have s1m3 vivi it sucks

vivi s2 is quite good

[tardy vigil]

vivi s2 has different job

[willow nymph]

vivi s1 has no job

other than afk but afk is cringe

and even then it's like

[tardy vigil]

works for me

[willow nymph]

one of the worst 6* afk in ak

[quaint arch]

How dare ya dissing Blaze, Shining, Hoshiguma, etc.

[wanton stratus]

If it don’t have increased block count, self healing and increased attack it’s a bad afk skill

[tardy vigil]

timing s2 is cringe

[wanton stratus]

And throw in range extension too

[quaint arch]

MountainRot

[willow nymph]

timing s3 isn't use your s3 vivi instead of s1

[quaint arch]

[wanton stratus]

[willow nymph]

s3 vivi literally just better

[tardy vigil]

s3 is good against really difficut enemies

not against one by one enemies

[wanton stratus]

Nokotan tanks a boss for 25 seconds and then dies

Peak guard dps

[tardy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

you wont die after skill, just give her 3 sp batteries and proc shield 3 times over 4 hits of slow hitting boss

[quaint arch]

Surtr ain't that different then

[hot rampart]

shikanokonokonkokoshitantan

[quaint arch]

This new generation is screwed up

[tardy vigil]

[quaint arch]

[hot rampart]

https://vxtwitter.com/real_hotaru/status/1796880902498173211?t=0C_s-dYURHJeBTrFoMKXrQ&s=19

[tardy vigil]

Now I see why people got angry at vivi release

[hot rampart]

HOLY SHIT ITS HER

quick deploy arturia infront of her

shikanokonokonkokoshitantan

[tardy vigil]

her boss skill is cool

[hot rampart]

and none of that translated into her actual kit

[tardy vigil]

I still like her unit design

[hot rampart]

pure single target madness

[quaint arch]

All because she left Nova Knightclub

[hot rampart]

right her candle was

[wanton stratus]

shikanokonokonokokoshitantan

[hot rampart]

just for show

[willow nymph]

use surtr map donerino

[quaint arch]

Maybe Viviana shouldn't have left the Knightclub

[tardy vigil]

she has defensive talents

her candles protecc

[willow nymph]

use vivi ... nothing happens

[quaint arch]

Tytus Typola Debuff

[tardy vigil]

I used vivi and won

[quaint arch]

[willow nymph]

clearly typhon ines texas sussurro jessicat didn't help

[tardy vigil]

ines always helps

especially with vivi s1

[wanton stratus]

Half of that statement is a lie

[tardy vigil]

vivi uses big charge then because of slow she can use mini charge in melee range

[wanton stratus]

We should’ve gotten Dikaiopolis as an operator instead

[quaint arch]

No.

Let's have Mlynar as Ops instead

[willow nymph]

nah as enemy

[wanton stratus]

Beating uncle into submission sounds fun

[hot rampart]

huh

🤨

[wanton stratus]

Uh… Shikanokonokonokokoshitantan

[quaint arch]

Mlynar as enemy comes with newspaper. You hit Mlynar once, newspaper breaks. Mlynar use S3 against us

[willow nymph]

deals 5K dmg to everyone deployed /schwing

and also to undeployed because why not

[wanton stratus]

Finally a scenario where Hoshiguma beats Nian

…with godlike RNG

[quaint arch]

Just don't hit Mlynar

It's not that hard, rite?

[wanton stratus]

Virtuosa S3 as main damage source

Can’t wait

[hot rampart]

nah id win

i will fight mlynar myself

-2 hp

[quaint arch]

Nah, any damage breaks the newspaper. How screwed are you?

[wanton stratus]

Pretty screwed

Ngl

On the other hand, a boss that you can’t deal damage to sounds terrible

Hortus de Escapismo moment

[tardy vigil]

a peaceful boss that leaves on his own if you let him finish his newspaper

[quaint arch]

Perfection

[tardy vigil]

then midfight he goes to grab his coffee across the map so you need to retreat operators to not disturb him

[quaint arch]

Perfect counter to Walter White

[wanton stratus]

I’ll just push him off the map with Enforcer

[quaint arch]

Nah, you can deal damage to Mlynar. It's just Mlynar have 100% All Damage Reduction

Wait....

[tardy vigil]

he will use the newspaper as paraglider to come back

[quaint arch]

100 Weight

Nah, that never happened

[tardy vigil]

grandpa with his beer belly

[wanton stratus]

Don’t ever cook again

My god

Really hope no HG employees are in this thread taking notes

Or we’re really done for

[quaint arch]

This is what happens when you let anyone cook in the kitchen without supervision

[wanton stratus]

Jesse, what the hell did you cook!?

[hot rampart]

my uncle work in HG

pitching it to him while u guys were discussing it

[quaint arch]

Can't wait for someone to make a terrible idea for the Event called "Conviction Punch Man", that features Conviction as the Main Boss of the Event

[willow nymph]

5% to deal infinity damage

[wanton stratus]

Oh god no

Have mercy

[versed compass]

any op killed by this cant be deployed again

[wanton stratus]

Forever

Permanently deleted off the account

[versed compass]

would not it be (one punch conviction)

[versed compass]

dam farming 1-7 dont feel annoying anymore

[hot rampart]

ikr

im glad wishadel announced when we got the farming QoL xd

[wanton stratus]

Just sacc bro

No need to farm

[willow nymph]

i mean if you save you have the 300 required no ?

like no oru farming

[tardy vigil]

80 guaranteed trust

[hot rampart]

im planning to pot 6 wishadel

realistically speaking i need more than 500

and i want to roll on degen , shu ,ela , ascalon AND ulpian if possible

obviously i can just take out my wallet and throw money but i prefer to not do that if possible xd

[tardy vigil]

I will roll for Leto too

[hot rampart]

uh

lad

fair bit of warning when rolling for a 5* in a

standard banner

• u can go over 100 pulls without getting one *

[tardy vigil]

Then I will grab a degen and go home

The 6* isn't that bad

[hot rampart]

yeah thats fair

[tardy vigil]

What's the rate up? 50%?

35%?

[hot rampart]

50% for 6*

[tardy vigil]

I've rolled a million Bass

[hot rampart]

5* its like 25%

uh no no

thats 5* in a limited banner

those are 50%

[tardy vigil]

https://youtu.be/W8AIDvaaOVM?si=L_epbHZlYU9S9EV3

Literally me

[hot rampart]

in standard solo rate up standard 6* banner

the 5* for some updog reason

shares a rate up

with somebody else 5*

so it becomes 25%

rate up

[tardy vigil]

I think Leto is the only 5* there

[hot rampart]

no

it will have an existing 5* sharing a rate up with her

[tardy vigil]

Well, it's fine

25% is still a lot

[versed compass]

pretty sure ya 6 months of pure saving is enough for 300

that being said skipping ela feels like a big mistake

[hot rampart]

these upcoming 6 months is pure hell of a roll

[versed compass]

am skipping most of it

only gonna roll 1 pity on reed rerun and roll ela

rest into wis

possible roll one pity on shu

[tardy vigil]

Why? According to meta gamers she is mid

[versed compass]

who the fuck are those (meta gamers)

she is one of the better support units that happen to be a good dps

[tardy vigil]

Their videos are lost in my YouTube history

[versed compass]

i dont trust those (meta gamers)

ela wisadel is controlling IS relicless atm

and this is accounting that ela is facing off in one of the strongest tickets already

vs yato/texas

maybe you remember wrong and they mean ash

[hot rampart]

what the FUCK are these meta gamers smoking

[versed compass]

it must be ash

no way they say that about ela

[hot rampart]

yeah

probably mistaken for ash

[versed compass]

i unironically think ela as the second best upcoming banner

[hot rampart]

any meta gamers saying ela mid is clickbaiting satire

[tardy vigil]

Ash was even more mid

[hot rampart]

[versed compass]

W/L > ela > shu/zuo > degen probably for banner values

[tardy vigil]

Ofc I take anything with a grain of salt in YouTube

[versed compass]

W/L is just too insane of a banner

[hot rampart]

yeah duh she is by definition of mid

but Ela? u smoking absolute crack for this take

[tardy vigil]

After first YouTuber introduced me into gummy church

[versed compass]

after i watched techtone to try and solve a stage 4 years ago i was not trusting youtubers that much

[tardy vigil]

I skip Walter anyway so...

And shu

[versed compass]

i like how they released ash module at the same time with marksman powercreep

in the form of ela

[willow nymph]

OMEGALUL

ela is broke

she's a support with higher than exu damage output

the mines are stupid and her damage is stupid

the mod makes her crit every other hit so she doesn't even need mines to deal ridiculous damage

[fluid verge]

What are y'all pull plans this year

[willow nymph]

what i feel like and what i feel like whaling

[fluid verge]

Degen, Ela, shu, ascalon, waltuh is what I'm looking at

[wanton stratus]

I’m skipping Ray and Ascalon but pulling on every other banner, though the non-limiteds on the limited banners are less of a priority (I.e Zuo Le)

Except for Logos ofc

[willow nymph]

fellow logos chad

[wanton stratus]

🤝

[tardy vigil]

Leto (or degen, whoever comes first) and askalon

Maybe Ela, depending on how funds look after degen

[willow nymph]

i'd recommend pulling for ela because she's guaranteed at 100pulls spent

and she's really super strong

[hot rampart]

same but add ulpianus getting whatever is left after i try for pot6 waltuh

[willow nymph]

ulpianus doesn't motivate me much

[hot rampart]

120 but free 20 pulls with said specific banner ticket

[willow nymph]

still gonna pull him in 10 because cn acc but lo

[fluid verge]

I want 20k HP ulpinas

[willow nymph]

yes 100 pulls spent

i'm not counting the 20 free in because well they're free and you can't spend them anywhere else

so no point saving them

[hot rampart]

yeah just being more specific

[tardy vigil]

Isn't it 120?

[hot rampart]

see?

[fluid verge]

Raid boss tier AH just activates the neurons with big numba

[tardy vigil]

Oh free pulls

[hot rampart]

xd

[willow nymph]

to guarantee a 6* in event banner you need at worst 200 +a pity proc

so max is ~250

[tardy vigil]

I don't need super strong operator ngl

[hot rampart]

i like ulpianus cuz i dig his drip

[tardy vigil]

I have a lot already

[hot rampart]

and 4 side anchor as a weapon is rad as fuck

[tardy vigil]

I would even say too much

[wanton stratus]

Isn’t it 150+?

[willow nymph]

if you get an offrate 6* at 140 you can pull 200 w/o rateup

[hot rampart]

150+ but u can get close to 200 if u somehow manage to get a 6* spook around 140-149 pulls and have to proc soft pity for the next one

[wanton stratus]

Yeah…

Fun pity system, HG

More gamba in the gamba

[willow nymph]

it's really neat

honestly

[tardy vigil]

You aren't supposed to calculate it

Just pull the lever

Worry not, casino will win regardless

[willow nymph]

final point is ela is a no risk banner

[hot rampart]

its a risk pre 100 pulls

[wanton stratus]

Yes it is

The risk is me getting pissed off

[hot rampart]

me when the casino wins

[wanton stratus]

I went the full 120 on both Ash and Kirito’s banners

[wanton stratus]

Real

💸

[willow nymph]

I went the full 20 on ash and kirito banner

Oh and ela

[wanton stratus]

[hot rampart]

u got them in 20?

sacc

[wanton stratus]

Sacc

[willow nymph]

Yes been 5 times now

[wanton stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-low-tier-god-ltg-mods-crush-his-skull-carry-that-guy-back-to-the-onion-gif-9544187413703686913

[hot rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-ltg-mods-low-tier-god-mods-fanum-tax-gif-11405106708681256357

[versed compass]

she uses mines to support others liek a global range suzuran

with very controlable uptime

or support her own OFF SKILL

off skill getting powercrept hard with ela/wisadel/logos

[vagrant tusk]

itching for new banner.. Degen pls come faster

[hot rampart]

im scared degen pls crush my-

[wanton stratus]

You’ve got to make it rhyme

[fluid verge]

Climbing up kjerg, my goal is in sight. In front of me is the pinnacle of might. An omen of death, I am dumbfounded, I can't catch my breath. Her immaculate form awes me, it's like I've overdose, I'm slowly drifting in the arms of trouble then trouble pounds me deep beneath the snow. Spending time together with degenbrecher, the pressure I feel is like no other. I wanna prove myself to her but I only end up in a stretcher. As I sink into the recesses of mind, this pain, this pleasure, degenbrechers parting gift to me I will forever treasure

[civic linden]

good mindset tbh

[tough matrix]

it takes a while, but I finally done it

[fluid verge]

👍 skalter s3 with virtuosa s2 is funni

reedalter s3 too

jessicat s3 is a lot of dakka too

[quaint arch]

Not S2?

[fluid verge]

which s2

[quaint arch]

Jessecat

You said dakka

S3 is more of a bang

[hot rampart]

🔥 ✍️

[tough matrix]

✍️ 🔥

[quaint arch]

Newest CN Server 6* Ops Tier List
(From le Reddit)

[wanton stratus]

Just broke 300K orundum for the first time

[wanton stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[hot rampart]

holding the urge to not spend a pull so i get 200000

[quaint arch]

Noice

Guaranteed Walter White

[willow nymph]

Mostly agree

[ebon sphinx]

wtf is KFC ten winged bucket supposed to mean

[fluid verge]

dawww thanks for the appreciation everyone

~~now please come home in 1 pull degenbrecher ~~

[wanton stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-trained-well-star-wars-phantom-menace-darth-maul-gif-25840718

[fluid verge]

Maybe ill write another poem for waltuh

only issue is the little devil cant read

truly a shadoba moment

[ebon sphinx]

something that bothers me is that she tells off Doktah saying Doktah has no right to criticise her writing

does that imply Doktah does have doctor's handwriting?

[hot rampart]

if u put theresa as part of the subject her willingness to read it will be increased exponentially

[fluid verge]

frame it as theresa's poem to her

[hot rampart]

[fluid verge]

ill probably cook something up as her release comes nearer

[hot rampart]

Ulpianus - 6 Guard [Crusher]*

◆ Stats (with 100% Trust): 6522 HP // 1649 ATK // 0 DEF // 0 RES

◆ Cost: 20 --> 22 --> 24

◆ Trait: Attacks multiple enemies equal to Block Count

◆ Talent 1: When receiving damage, Ulpianus recovers 100 HP. When HP is below 50%, the healing effect increases to 160 HP

◆ Talent 2: For each enemy defeated by Ulpianus, increases max HP by 120 and ATK by 30. This can be stacked up to 9 (Pot 5 - 10) times). Other Abyssal Hunter Operators share 50% of this effect

◆ Skill 1 [Per Second/Automatic Activation]: On the next attack, throw an anchor forward. The anchor will drag 2 nearby enemies towards self with Medium force and deal 210% (M3 - 270%) Physical damage

[0 Initial SP  5 (M3 - 4) SP Cost]

◆ Skill 2 [Per Second/Automatic Activation]: When skill is activated, increase the effect of Talent 1 to 1.8x (M3 - 2x). Block Count +1, increase Max HP by 40% (M3 - 60%) and ATK by 130% (M3 - 160%)

Infinite Duration

[0 Initial SP  78 (M3 - 70) SP Cost]

◆ Skill 3 [Per Second/Automatic Activation]: When skill is activated, increase Max HP by 60% (M3 - 80%) and ATK by 230% (M3 - 260%). Immediately throw an anchor forward. The anchor stops when hitting a target or when it reaches the maximum distance, then deals 140% (M3 - 160%) Physical damage to nearby enemies and Stuns them for 6 seconds. If the anchor lands on a deployable tile, Ulpianus moves to that tile

Skill can be manually deactivated. When the skill ends, Ulpianus returns to his original tile

[15 (M3 - 20) Initial SP  28 (M3 - 25) SP Cost  25 Seconds]

@violet vortex ulpian numbers

[violet vortex]

540hp & 135 atk but it’s their max

Does that mean it would be further boosted

[hot rampart]

need to see ingame if it stacks with AH talent or just a flat increase at end calc
(game is open in like 4 hours 28 minutes)

[violet vortex]

13696 for m3 s2 with ah buffs

At 0 stacks of his talent 2

15964 for m3 s2 with ah buffs at 9 stacks of talent 2 assuming it gets boosted after the fact

Almost 16k hp with no outside help

Yeah this guy is really gonna struggle to die

558 hp/second regen

[tardy vigil]

I hope I misunderstand smth, because 6 sec stun on 25s cycle is a lot

[hot rampart]

uh its not

its like cool its a stun but

nothing amazing about it

[quaint arch]

Who?

I mean, who said this?

[hot rampart]

Ash actual issue is entirely reliant on that stun to deal dmg

if enemy cant be stunned then shes like shit

which is pretty common for bosses to be stun immune

so her next choice of targets are elite

[quaint arch]

Idt Talent 1 reaches 6s Stun even with Mods there....

[hot rampart]

and she can only take 1 elite at a time being the nature of single target

she got a new mod

[ebon sphinx]

her main use is like helidropping flying targets pretty much

[tardy vigil]

Single target stun?

[hot rampart]

its a 3x3 tile range

[tardy vigil]

Then it isn't single target

[quaint arch]

Flash Grenade's AoE, the Assault Rifle's Single Target one by one

[hot rampart]

yeah but ash is

[tardy vigil]

It's fine to kill one by one

Core casters do it smh

[violet vortex]

Oh yeah important to note Ulpianus doesn’t have a module yet

Pretty rare case

So his talent 2 has room for improvement

[bleak mirage]

Where is my siege alter leaaaaaaaka

Hypergrpyh please

[quaint arch]

It'll never happen.

[hot rampart]

basically confirmed in pv4

[bleak mirage]

Sssh

Not till I see it revealed for real

[hot rampart]

[bleak mirage]

I never trust pv4 for shit

Thats for suckers who jump at new op leaks

[fluid verge]

They still cooking up his mod

Can't release it right aaway

[devout zenith]

OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO RICH

PLEASE GIVE THIS SMALL AND POOR BEGGAR SOME

[quaint arch]

Just ask the Rich Cat smh

[sharp tartan]

Ulpian is fucking broken

[versed compass]

flat buffs tend to be last added so might not be boosted by other AH effects

that being said i wont be surprised if hg make an exception to AH

[tardy vigil]

X to doubt

[versed compass]

tbf i think most of his brokeness gonna be cause of the AH

[tardy vigil]

making an exception is hard, using same variables is easy

[versed compass]

if we look at him as a lone unit he is pretty tame in comparsion to some of the upcoming banners i think

[tardy vigil]

do we have any fast hitting AH?

[versed compass]

no but they have an aspd buff

[tardy vigil]

then flat stats look mid

but ofc it all adds up

[versed compass]

he gonna be broken cause AH buff him cause he gonna be the other main fighter then spalter

[tardy vigil]

flat hp is still multiplicative with dmg reduction

[tardy vigil]

is spalter limited?

[versed compass]

yes

[tardy vigil]

ok SKIP

it was cool until limited banner showed up

[versed compass]

ASPD +20 (22)
Attacks deal 5% more damage
Max HP +20% and ATK +22% (24%)
Max HP +30% (33%) and SP recovery Speed +0.5/s (does not stack with similar effects)
Recovers 3.5% Max HP/s and receives 30% less Phys and Arts dmg

those are current AH effects

his s2 look like a better mountain

even without AH

only issue gonna be ranged units

[ebon sphinx]

||https://vxtwitter.com/DedpulNINL/status/1798200314568585295?t=hD_vXJUbFAC-OpuF0HlEeg&s=19|| they confirm that Doktah uses the same kind of instructions for Skadi as they do with Kay-chan

very simple language

just direct them at where the bad guys are

[versed compass]

oh ulpain talent

work on poison maps

[quaint arch]

Ulpain

UL Pain?

Coincidence?

(Side note: ||Seems Ulpianus Sussus 2nd Talent can stack with other multipliers/increments||)

[hallow garnet]

hellagur being vigil tier is clown

[willow nymph]

Yeah idem for dusk chetto

[hallow garnet]

and ceobe being higher than eyja gg

[willow nymph]

Lee swire being that low is dumb too

I'd derank qn twice too

Lin once

Ceobe higher than eyja is arguable but defendable
Higher than gg is just factual

[tardy vigil]

I disagree on every unit I have

But I have different criteria, ranking my DPS against my supports while they rank their DPS against walter

[ebon sphinx]

||https://vxtwitter.com/DedpulNINL/status/1798250372051726565?t=fOyUJA9WKJXPioUH_EuBVA&s=19|| people comparing Gladiaa with ||Lady Maria|| from Bloodborne

[versed compass]

think its cause of the multi cases where ceobe shined recently

[quaint arch]

Qn? You mean QB?

[tardy vigil]

Why do they rank Arthuria that high?

[quaint arch]

800 Elemental Damage that most enemies don't have resistance on it yet.

800 * 15 = 12,000

Yeah, that might sounds low tbf

[tardy vigil]

Is this a lot?

[quaint arch]

But it's not like elite's having a bloated HP most of times

[tidal hawk]

Valid take?
https://youtu.be/fBpE4b3mhi4?si=dXuajMx5f4JlTpSc

[quaint arch]

No valid take for now

I don't play on CN

[versed compass]

that map have been bullied more then h7-1

[devout zenith]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1BT421v711/?share_source=copy_web

he's def fun as fuck tho

[civic linden]

My main issue here is the disparity between carnelian and lin

They are pretty much sidegrades there is no reason for lin to be 4 tiers higher

Not saying carnelian should be higher but there is no way lin is on the same rank as eyja, ling, silverash

[versed compass]

dont think those 2 are sidegrades

or close to being side grades

lin should be above carne by at least 2 tiers

[civic linden]

Yeah 2 tiers is good

[versed compass]

i said at least

its probably more

[tardy vigil]

lin has 800 atk x3 on skill + 100% of shatter damage on each kill
resulting in 1200-1600 arts dps
with module and lvl 90 it grows by 15% to 1400-1850 arts dps
With important problems of arturia being - she needs ramp up time to apply the debuff and her damage cant be buffed in any way, while Lin suffers from res obv

I dont see how arthuria is 2 tiers above lin

[versed compass]

arturia is mostly to fuck over high CC stuff from what i see

which is something i dont bother with so i cant miss not pulling her for now

[tardy vigil]

well if their enemies have 90% res good for them

[civic linden]

Idk i think so
Their s3 damage is pretty much the same
Carnelian has a pretty decent cc while lin has very little utility
Yeah lin is good agaisn't physical but agaisnt anything that passes the treshold(really high phys damage or any form of arts) and then she pretty much works the same as carnelian

[tardy vigil]

Lin has great utility

[versed compass]

their damage is pretty whatever, they both can kill mobs with their skills, carne cc is not out standing either compared to other CC options

this leave them to their most value gimmick, ranged tank, and lin showed her being very good niche in comparsion to whatever carne do

[tardy vigil]

Lin slander cannot be tolerated

[versed compass]

in IS and CC

lin showed her utilty being actually decent

i agree that she should drop a little

but her and carne are completely in different levels

[civic linden]

Carne works pretty well for me even as ranged tank

[versed compass]

she can work (any 6* can)

lin just do it better

[hot rampart]

theres a substantial different between carne and lin that im sad is far from just being sidegrade

[civic linden]

But to be fair i don't have lin so my experience with her is very low
But from the times i've used her she doesn't seem thaat diferent

[versed compass]

i used both and can say it is decently different

not owning lin but i borrowed her often in IS

[hot rampart]

they are comparable yes but lin damage and utility is in one skill which is her s3 and thats the best skill she has and way better than carne who utility is tied to s2 which does jackshit damage and crowdcontrol being worse than angelina

carne s3 and lin s3 has similar total damage

but

carne most damage is around the tail end of the duration

[versed compass]

carne ramp up is pretty horrendous

[hot rampart]

cuz it slowly ramps up

[versed compass]

executer did the ramp up style right

[hot rampart]

and cannot be manually deactivated

[civic linden]

Yeah never understood the ramp up

[tardy vigil]

is carne cc her s2?

[versed compass]

ya

its good if you have good aspd (like most bind skills lmao)

[tardy vigil]

s2 has meh range

[hot rampart]

that too

[civic linden]

Especially since it reaches 300% literally on the last second so she never uses the full benefit 💀

[tardy vigil]

s3 extra tiles are massive

[hot rampart]

Lin is also just better at mob clearing better than carne ever be cuz Lin procs her shield stun damage everytime she kills a mob in her vicinity so it increases the dmg + utility

[civic linden]

K i will admit i'm biased

[hot rampart]

these are huge different between them and calling carne a sidegrade of lin is an insult to lin

[versed compass]

i agree lin is maybe slightly overrated in the listing but ya she is pretty solid

[hot rampart]

[civic linden]

But i'm also stubborn so my opinion didn't change

[hot rampart]

its ok

i like carne too

[hallow garnet]

good question

i still dun understand why arturia is thought to be so good

shes okay

but i dont see myself really taking her outside of "because i wanna play her"

yeye elemental dmg

[hot rampart]

becuz she brings a huge diff where it matters in high end content

[hallow garnet]

well

wake me up when that content arrives

[tardy vigil]

what is this huge diff?

[hot rampart]

this upcoming CC

[tardy vigil]

do enemies have 90% res?

[hot rampart]

straight up

and the CC after that with her S1

[hallow garnet]

enemies not having resistance to ele dmg%

but having high res and def

meaning ele dmg% would be best for it

but like mlynar can clear anything anyway

[quaint arch]

Just wait till they add Elemental Resistance

[tardy vigil]

if enemies have 30-50 arts res her elemental dmg isnt crazy

[hot rampart]

its not only just CC

[hot rampart]

bro its a different resistance

arts res and elem res is a different thing and no enemies in the game right now even in CN has any sort of elem res

[tardy vigil]

I know

I mean when comparing to other dps units

what are average defensive stats of this cc

[hot rampart]

other dps units falls flat when u take account high arts res and def

where she just do not care

[tardy vigil]

I dont see 4k def enemies so far

[hallow garnet]

i'll need to see comparisons

truly

[hot rampart]

another thing is necrosis reduce enemies attack by substantial amount so ur units can survive better

[hallow garnet]

but like i have her

i have her m4d

i can m6 her if needed

but so far i havent seen the use

we'll see in cc

[hot rampart]

u guys seems to hellbent on her damage this dps that

[quaint arch]

Just don't rely your strat on it tho

[hallow garnet]

obv

[quaint arch]

[hot rampart]

when she also offers substantial slow with s3 up

huge fucking aoe

aoe attack debuff

[hallow garnet]

shes not exactly exciting to play so all she has for her is numbers

that could interest me

[tardy vigil]

and you seem to be hellbent on "defenses will destroy other units"

[hot rampart]

i am not

im stating an example

[tardy vigil]

what example

of sarkaz slugs?

[hot rampart]

CC enemies?

high end enemies?

high diff IS?

[tardy vigil]

what are defenses of those cc enemies

how much arts res do they have

how much armor do they have

[hallow garnet]

you can look all this up yourself boo

we are not wikipedia

or just wait a couple days till event comes

and we can see for ourselves

[hot rampart]

h ttps://tomimi.dev/en/stages/ISW-DF_Lofty_Silverfrost

[versed compass]

she is only broke in high CC tbh

[quaint arch]

@hot rampart Kek

[hot rampart]

see these websites for ur self

[quaint arch]

[hallow garnet]

yea figured

[versed compass]

cause phy/arts do more damage when stuff are not over stated

i heard her opener in IS is solid but she fall off

[hallow garnet]

eh

[versed compass]

so why open with her instead of reed/degen is the question

[hallow garnet]

reed opener too good

[hot rampart]

which deserve to be called good if any operators are good in high end content cuz thats mostly when meta matters

[hallow garnet]

i tried artu in IS

i was not impressed at all

[quaint arch]

REEDIC DPS

[hallow garnet]

her opener didnt seem all that great either

[quaint arch]

♿

[hot rampart]

thats 2 of the best unit in the game so

ofc u open with the best best one

but arturia in that tierlist deserve her spot

which is the start of this discussion

[versed compass]

its not all high end content to be fair
and she might not stay relevant too cause they can bloat hp instead of def/res

not to forget the possibility of elem res

also if am not mistaken she was kicked out of max CC2
so she is 50/50 in max CC so far

[hallow garnet]

i'd rather open with fedex than artu

[hot rampart]

yeah bloating hp is a huge weakness

[hallow garnet]

or gavial even

[hot rampart]

fedex fucking falls off

at higher floor

[hallow garnet]

just like artu

[hot rampart]

on higher diff

no????

[hallow garnet]

we just discussed she falls off

[versed compass]

arturia fall off too so...

[tardy vigil]

20-60 arts res

[versed compass]

like average IS mob in higher floor have insane hp

and her dont scale with relics

at least executer do scale with relics

[hot rampart]

yeah but her attack debuff and slow is still good

makes ur blockers survive better

[versed compass]

not that much

[hot rampart]

bro

it is

[tardy vigil]

1875 def is the highest

[versed compass]

its ramping down attack debuff no?

[quaint arch]

Like i said

[versed compass]

she feel like just another option

instead of being really good

[hot rampart]

ofc it ramps down but once it activates thats plenty of time to kill said enemies safely

[versed compass]

not even compared to the top

[tardy vigil]

I dont see numbers that would make typhon or lin do crazy low dmg compared to arthuria

[hot rampart]

yeah im not comparing her to the top

[versed compass]

but like i rather have a skalter over her in IS4 mid/late

and skalter is not the top

[hot rampart]

im telling u why she is good

hell nah

not skalter over her

[versed compass]

she is ok

[hot rampart]

[versed compass]

not that good

bards are unironically the best into hardest IS4 boss atm

[hot rampart]

this downplaying of kit versatility is so amazing

[tardy vigil]

both typhon and lin are much lower in the tierlist

[hot rampart]

attack debuff , slow , true damage

[versed compass]

i think you are overrating her instead

am not saying she is unplayable

but she is not that good

[hot rampart]

she IS good

[quaint arch]

Perhaps you guys should do TACHANKA starter

[hot rampart]

u saying not that good is downplaying it

[quaint arch]

(Don't do that actually)

[tardy vigil]

Lin's kit has utility as well, I still dont understand why she is so high

arthuria's utility is nowhere close to ines

[hot rampart]

which is why ines is higher????

[versed compass]

she is really there cause of CC not IS am sure

[hot rampart]

both

necrosis is a potent debuff

being applied in a huge aoe makes a huge diff of turning multiple enemies hitting like wet noodles on higher diff against ur setup

and still dealing substantial damage

[versed compass]

i think if i ever use arturia in high floor i actually would use s1/s2 for better cycle

IS4 hard hitters come 1 by 1

or group of 2

[hot rampart]

good thing u have other units to cycle during her down time

[tardy vigil]

speaking of "not bloated elites HP"

elites HP is bloated in CC

[quaint arch]

S1 Virtuosa with Pasta

Of course

[versed compass]

i think you would use other op skills during virt uptime in high IS

cause pretty sure necro dont one cycle the big mobs

[hot rampart]

good thing she 2 cycle

during s3

once its over she applies it as fast as possible again during s3

and yeah S1 is viable too on some maps

[versed compass]

thats like half a champion hp

[hot rampart]

s2 no

half a champion HP IS A LOT

[versed compass]

not really

[hot rampart]

u have ur whole squad to take off another half

[tardy vigil]

is this "damage reduction" in cc applied to necrosis dmg, or only phys and arts?

[hot rampart]

and thanks to her attack debuff what ever is blocking said champion can stand by themselve too

[quaint arch]

50%

[versed compass]

champions will still hit hard near the end of virt cycle mind you
so you gonna need a good defender

i mean necro cycle

[hot rampart]

its few seconds window before the 2nd cycle start

all u need is a decent medic

like reed

[quaint arch]

Ahhh yes...

REEDIC

[versed compass]

mate i mean when the debuff is up
it loses the attack nerf over time no?

[quaint arch]

[hot rampart]

over the duration of 12 seconds

[tardy vigil]

yes

[quaint arch]

*15s

[hot rampart]

even better

[tardy vigil]

they gradually hit harder

[versed compass]

so theres more time then few seconds of champions hitting your op hard

[hot rampart]

even at 7.5 second thats 25% attack debuff which helps in surviving

[tardy vigil]

you do need a strong defender

[versed compass]

it help but its not that good

[hot rampart]

it helps becuz

[tardy vigil]

it is a total hp saved, so less load on medics

[hot rampart]

if u are not killing champion in 7 second ur squad is weak

and only have arturia as dps

[tardy vigil]

but still need good defender to survive a few seconds of onslaught

[hot rampart]

which is very interesting u reach that far with just her

no

u dont

[hot rampart]

this 7 second also important that whatever is blocking said champion survives

which tutu definitely helps at achieving this

both damage wise and debuff wise

and slow

[versed compass]

if am killing them in 7 seconds i could just use greyy instead of arturia lol

[hot rampart]

multiple lanes coverage

[hot rampart]

cap as fuck

[versed compass]

i think if you depend too much on non arturia she is just ok

[quaint arch]

Using Caster Grey

[versed compass]

except i used greyy a lot, and he do give my dps enough time to kill champions

[quaint arch]

AINTNOWAY

[versed compass]

theres only 1 greyy

[hot rampart]

greyy wont help what ever the unit is blocking the champion survive

[versed compass]

lets be real

you know slowing them a thing right?

[hot rampart]

duh???

[quaint arch]

Caster Greyy, right?

[hot rampart]

good thing tutu has slow as well

[quaint arch]

[versed compass]

raged champions will kill blockers even with the debuff anyway

[hot rampart]

except tutu is multiple range coverage

while greyy is probably some small aoe

[versed compass]

arturia slow is not as good tho

[hot rampart]

NO

[quaint arch]

Use Mostima S3 real

[versed compass]

underrating greyy slow and overrating arturia slow i see

[hot rampart]

i am not

[tardy vigil]

16% on average I believe

[versed compass]

you are

[hot rampart]

i am still overrating the attack debuff

[versed compass]

....

ok am out of here

[hot rampart]

goodbye

on that note eben with necrosis is also good at achieving whatever im talking about with tutu

he just doesnt have slow

[versed compass]

is not that lower then mostima passive global slow lol

[hot rampart]

is this with skil up?

i assume thats just

[quaint arch]

Off-Skill

[hot rampart]

i expected so

literally talking on skill

ofc u want to point out the offskill part

[versed compass]

skill dont effect the slow does it

[hot rampart]

IT DOES

[willow nymph]

it does

[quaint arch]

No, it doesn't change how slower it is.
Just how large it'll be

[versed compass]

it does? where?

talent 2 is the enemies take more elem damage

the slow is talent 1

[hot rampart]

wait

it doesnt my bad

im still overrating the attack debuff part tho

[versed compass]

what kind of simp are you to not know her kit smh

[hot rampart]

uh im not a simp either

but i wouldnt downplay her usefulness

[quaint arch]

Expand attack range -> Larger Coverage

[hot rampart]

especially high end IS

[quaint arch]

That's it

It's not any slower

[versed compass]

as a heavy IS high end player i will

[hot rampart]

u just dont have her

[versed compass]

granted supporter ticket is pretty ass

[hot rampart]

arturia made supporter ticket good

[versed compass]

still lowest value ticket imo

[hot rampart]

just like how reed doesnt make medic ticket a brick if u get it multiple times

[versed compass]

tbf medic ticket still have good stuff in it

[willow nymph]

the e2 reed kal cope runs

[quaint arch]

I rather spend hope on better tickets not sorry

[versed compass]

ng/eyja are being pretty common in my runs

granted ng is only ed3 counter but still

[quaint arch]

I don't have Ptilopsis for ED1

[versed compass]

and of course having 0 medic ticket run is pretty ass

[willow nymph]

i don't see a point in ng counter when both eyjalt and ng work

[quaint arch]

So that's my only option

[versed compass]

while having 0 supporter is playable

[willow nymph]

while eyjalt is straightup stronger the rest of game

[hot rampart]

ng is good for musical

fuck that stage is2g

[versed compass]

he kinda one shots no?

[willow nymph]

hp op

[hot rampart]

yeah hp increase helps

[versed compass]

assuming i have those

[willow nymph]

+40% and suddenly you're not one shot

[hot rampart]

kinda replaceable with hp fordatal

[quaint arch]

Like Crushers.
I see what're you doing there.

[hot rampart]

but eyjalt also offers good hps ontop

[versed compass]

am only good at singing

[hot rampart]

so u win win harder

[devout zenith]

yuwen

[versed compass]

not good at silenc

[devout zenith]

new base skills

[quaint arch]

Wut is it?

[hot rampart]

do u have eben with necrosis module

useless

[quaint arch]

Yes, i do

Oh, i thought you're calling me

[devout zenith]

160% fac on AH

[quaint arch]

[versed compass]

no

[hot rampart]

its fine

[quaint arch]

How does it work?

[versed compass]

but i actually played with one in IS a lot cause temp eben love me for some reason

[quaint arch]

[hot rampart]

i just have a friend trying to shill me on eben with necrosis module

[devout zenith]

4 squared

or just look at sheet

[versed compass]

its pretty funny how delta is way superior then his other modules

like holy shit no reason to not run delta on him

he actually pretty solid into champions cause of the short cycle

[hot rampart]

good thing i have good counter to not get eben

[versed compass]

big hit + insta proc deal with them

[hot rampart]

ty logos

(and tutu)

[versed compass]

surely this is enough hp for cresson

literally my only hp relic

will i have a medic book for hp but its for medics so wont count it

[hot rampart]

when is CC coming

[versed compass]

in like 5 hours

[hot rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

still sad eblana doesnt show up

[quaint arch]

WAIT

@devout zenith

Not even 12h

[willow nymph]

aren't sweaty layouts 4/4/16 anyway

[hot rampart]

what kinda 252 is this

[willow nymph]

so he covers 2 back up shifts

[quaint arch]

What?

Wdym???

[willow nymph]

it's what opti fia usage looks like

4hr shift 4hr shift 16hr shift

[hot rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/wtff-cat-confused-orange-gif-25858653

[quaint arch]

The heck?????

[hot rampart]

im not logging every 4 hours my dude

[willow nymph]

basically allows your best teams to last the longest and cram 2 fia revives

i'm not either

[hot rampart]

altho every 4 , 4 , 16 is

[quaint arch]

NO, I ain't gonna do that

[hot rampart]

something i guess

[willow nymph]

it's better than non-24hr rotations

those exist too

[hot rampart]

for sure

[willow nymph]

just make an auto maa script to not do base

[versed compass]

cresson just one shotted cardigan

under ng effect

wtf bro

[quaint arch]

What you expect from D15 anyway?

[quaint arch]

||Perhaps Necrosis Damage might help to tank at least 1 Crazelyseon shots||

[willow nymph]

i mean does cardi even have the 10 res from healing defenders

i never remember

[versed compass]

she is not a healing defender

[hot rampart]

if only cresson doesnt move around and being invulnerable

u really need hp increase for cresson to not get fucked up

[willow nymph]

ik but it's so dumb

[quaint arch]

Dw.
||Logos S3 definitely gonna have a chance to trigger Necrosis Fallout||

[willow nymph]

honestly why bother

walter just doesn't get hit

and pump 69420k damage in one hit

[quaint arch]

Nice number i see there

[hot rampart]

but u know what logos can do

having 90+ res with S2

[quaint arch]

Why Single Targeting when you can S3 the area anyway?

[hot rampart]

all logos skill are like fucking broken while walter is only s3 (i know 1 skill is the only thing it matters)

[quaint arch]

(Well ofc when there's only single target in the first place)

[hot rampart]

idk but the res increase is just so funny its there

[willow nymph]

s2 walter has like stupid damage but less than s3

[hot rampart]

s2 walter has stupid damage yeah but falls flat against moderate def im sure?

[willow nymph]

s2 walter is just s3 rosmon without the downside and more damage

[hot rampart]

[willow nymph]

[hot rampart]

pls dont bring ros into this

[quaint arch]

We pay the toll of the Powercreeping here

[willow nymph]

ATK +35%, reduce Attack Interval (-0.7
seconds). Attack 3 targets simultaneously

Overdrive: Attack changes to 4 consecutive attacks, each dealing 80%
damage and attacking random targets within Attack Range

Skill can be manually deactivated

walter forgetting overdrive mechanics have downsides

[hot rampart]

iirc the downside is

it went from 3 targets simul

[quaint arch]

No she doesn't. Look.
Random Targeting

[hot rampart]

into only 1 target

randomly

[quaint arch]

[hot rampart]

trully downside of all time

[willow nymph]

no no kama it goes from 3 different targets

to 4 random (can be same) targets

[quaint arch]

It's still random

Thus the downside

[versed compass]

its fine i had hp to leak

[quaint arch]

[hot rampart]

eben is made for creson

is very

lore good

ngl

[quaint arch]

Eek.
Leaking.
BAD.

(Aight, it's D15. I was just kidding)

[versed compass]

verdant paprika hard carrying the run

trust me bro

[quaint arch]

Show me the Relic then

No Nazherer Cane -> Fraud

[hot rampart]

Witch King during the story event was like his ||"afterimage"/soul|| is sitting inside a different dimension (where collapsals is coming through) abd he just having never ending battle against the collapsals there

[willow nymph]

verdant run

[versed compass]

also why for the fucking consistence does relics go from buttom to top and folds go from top to bottom

like wtf

[quaint arch]

No Nazhereer Cane
Yeah, Fraud

[willow nymph]

nah is verdant run

[versed compass]

i like it

[tardy vigil]

where you got it?

[quaint arch]

Sea Background

[versed compass]

half way there

[quaint arch]

Change the Background

[versed compass]

level 95 in IS4

[bleak mirage]

I have so much I need to save for now

Its not fair

Why are all the cool guys I want coming out fast

[bleak mirage]

I blame yuwen

[quaint arch]

See? This is why they don't announce Saber yet.
So you don't get even more pressured.

[hot rampart]

[bleak mirage]

Ugh

I need to login and grind

Been absent due to playing tekken 8

[tardy vigil]

omg I was grinding wrong IS

IS 2 has nothing as cool

[quaint arch]

Not the Training?

[bleak mirage]

Training

Cause xiaoyus hard

[quaint arch]

Right....
Training can go in many ways/means

[bleak mirage]

Well more learning wall combos, heat burst usage, stance cancels, defense

[versed compass]

IS2 have a cool background

IS3 too

[quaint arch]

Been playing Souls-Roguelike last week

And now i'm on break

[versed compass]

i have been playing a pokemon roguelike on web

pretty funny fan game

[quaint arch]

I'm on 5th Cell

The Struggle is real

I wanna beat 5th Cell Difficulty

And go to the damn secret stage

[bleak mirage]

Playing real games is fun

[quaint arch]

Playing on high difficulty is Painge for me tho

Especially what game i'm taking a break from now (and on probly )

[hot rampart]

been playing a lot of mh lately (alternating world and rise)

[fluid verge]

Carne s2 in sss with 200 aspd is funny

[hot rampart]

sss player

laugh at him

[quaint arch]

With what?

200 ASPD S2 GoldenGlow?

[versed compass]

the new supporter had some big ass mis understood

[quaint arch]

Who? Lucilia?

[versed compass]

ya

people read her talent as (apply fragile to all bosses and non elites enemies)

[quaint arch]

[willow nymph]

carne only needs 50aspd for 100% bind

[quaint arch]

I KNEW IT

[versed compass]

turn out its (apply fragile to all non bosses and non elites)

[quaint arch]

Ofc they'll misread it

[willow nymph]

lucilla is just mobs but that's been a while

[quaint arch]

[willow nymph]

yeah

75% fragile on s2 tho

huge

[versed compass]

viable vs izumik

just imagine blue dance wisadel dont exist

she cant hurt you

[willow nymph]

or logoat

[quaint arch]

Surely it'll be useful in CC where mobs are so stacked

[hot rampart]

what the fuck and she isnt???

[quaint arch]

[versed compass]

no it only apply to shit mobs

[hot rampart]

oh well

the welfare is still the defender tho right

[versed compass]

legit just (kill trash mobs harder) the op

ya

[willow nymph]

shirley you can kill cc mobs

[quaint arch]

Oh wait... you need to kill mobs during S2 to increase the effect

[hot rampart]

whats the other 5* rate up with her

[quaint arch]

[hot rampart]

in ulpian banner

[versed compass]

is ahhh reed a good copy

[willow nymph]

ye

[hot rampart]

ye

[willow nymph]

basically core caster stats

[hot rampart]

wait FREE MUMU