#movetimes with chess guis

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shrewd crane
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so, i've been looking around but a feature that saves movetimes to pgns in chess guis doesnt seem to exist, it sounds like it should be possible since people have put movetimes in the pgn format
i understand that maybe its not standard so its not included
anyways the point is that it would be useful to know for instance how long did the engines think in a tc game

robust pasture
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as i said in #off-topic , cutechess does this by default

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here is a random snippet of a cutechess pgn i have laying around

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1. O-O {+2.17/14 0.38s} Be8 {-2.09/14 0.44s} 2. Qb3 {+2.04/14 0.28s}
Qc8 {-1.90/13 0.27s} 3. cxd5 {+2.10/15 1.1s} Nxd5 {-1.88/15 0.32s}
4. Bg3 {+2.04/14 0.42s} a5 {-1.70/16 0.34s} 5. Nc3 {+1.80/17 0.38s}
Bh5 {-1.80/18 0.38s} 6. Ne5 {+1.98/16 0.26s} Nd7 {-1.90/17 0.36s}
7. h3 {+1.99/17 0.68s} Nxe5 {-1.98/17 0.48s} 8. Bxe5 {+1.96/17 0.26s}
Bf6 {-1.92/16 0.29s} 9. Nxd5 {+1.85/14 0.20s} exd5 {-1.76/16 0.35s}
10. Qc2 {+1.95/16 0.29s} Bxe5 {-1.24/16 0.37s} 11. dxe5 {+1.81/15 0.31s}
c5 {-1.43/15 0.27s} 12. f4 {+1.20/14 0.32s} b6 {-1.52/16 0.43s}
13. a3 {+1.51/15 0.32s} h6 {-1.56/17 0.57s} 14. Rf2 {+1.58/15 0.24s}
Kh8 {-1.68/16 0.48s} 15. Qc3 {+1.68/16 0.26s} Qe6 {-1.73/17 0.30s}
16. Rd2 {+1.67/16 0.45s} Rfd8 {-1.73/18 0.67s} 17. Bc2 {+1.68/14 0.15s}
Bf7 {-1.67/16 0.53s} 18. Rad1 {+1.66/14 0.21s} Bh5 {-1.75/16 0.20s}
19. Rf1 {+1.67/16 0.36s} Bf7 {-1.69/17 0.32s} 20. Kh2 {+2.12/14 0.26s}
Rd7 {-1.99/16 0.25s} 21. Rg1 {+1.98/16 0.32s} Rad8 {-2.05/16 0.28s}
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you can clearly see it includes how long the engine took

shrewd crane
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i see, no other chess gui does it unfortunately, i wanted for instance, save the time moved for players, for example when playing on a ics

shrewd crane
sullen dagger
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IIRC arena does it too, or maybe it was just depth?

shrewd crane
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oh, by default?

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i actually didnt try in arena

shrewd crane
# sullen dagger IIRC arena does it too, or maybe it was just depth?

it saved engine noise
1. e4 {(30 755928 0 e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1d2 g8f6 e4e5 f6d7 f1d3 c7c5 c2c3 b8c6 g1f3 d8b6 e1g1 c5d4 c3d4 c6d4 f3d4 b6d4 d2f3 d4b6 a2a3 a7a5 a1b1 f8e7 b2b4 a5b4 a3b4) +0.22/22 10} e6 {(36 710745 0 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1d2 c7c5 c2c3 c5d4 c3d4 d5e4 d2e4 b8c6 g1f3 f8e7 c1e3 g8f6 f1d3 f6e4 d3e4 c8d7 e1g1 f7f5 e4c2 e8g8 a1c1 c6b4 c2b3 b4d5 b3d5 e6d5) -0.30/28 36}

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not sure if it saved the move time

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doesnt seem so?

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or maybe it did save it

sullen dagger
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was it 36s?

shrewd crane
shrewd crane
sullen dagger
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yeah that last number is the seconds I think

shrewd crane
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its saving movetimes but not in a movetime format

sullen dagger
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It will show with an s if you open it in arena

shrewd crane
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yeah i noticed

sullen dagger
shrewd crane
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how about other chess programs through

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yeah, %movetime, %time, etc

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its not a standard

robust pasture
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ah you want a specific output

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not just for the pgn to contain how long it took

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gotcha

shrewd crane
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as a special move time, not as a comment

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so it correctly shows the movetimes in the gui or something like lichess

robust pasture
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yeah, i also didn't know that existed

shrewd crane
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lichess supports importing movetimes in studies for example

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and im certain that chess guis support loading movetimes but im not entirely sure if they actually do

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arena seems to support it in its own way from comments

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so i think cute chess pgns might not be compatible with arena?

sullen dagger
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Looking at a random lichess pgn it is in a comment like { [%eval 0.0] [%clk 1:30:57] }

shrewd crane
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Oh, lichess does movetimes?

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yeah %clk is the better one

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i forgot

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apparently the pgn format only supports up to the seconds for movetimes

shrewd crane
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thanks

shrewd crane
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movetimes with chess guis

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huh, apparently arena doesnt understand %emt

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but it seems like cutechess and arena support commented movetimes?

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i'll try winboard/xboard

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apparently winboard doesnt understand movetimes

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cutechess movetimes dont work in arena

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cute chess cant load games :(

shrewd crane
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well then