Not sure I exactly know what you mean by discipline in this context?
#what level of discipline do your troops have?
last patrol
valid lark
We dont usually have issues with misbehaving if thats what you mean, but if we do its generally met with a conversation from the leaders and if its bad enough a call to the parents
spare grotto
My groups troop does push ups and laps
If it's super severe privileges will be revoked, like permits, sent home, banned from scouting, certain honors being taken away etc
valid lark
My groups troop does push ups and laps
This would be considered corporal punishment and is strictly prohibited here by the bsa
spare grotto
This would be considered corporal punishment and is strictly prohibited here by ...
What
valid lark
It is against BSA policy to use physical activity as a form of punishment
spare grotto
Why
valid lark
Its ethically questionable at best
spare grotto
How
valid lark
Forcing children to perform physical activity, even if they are capable of it, as a form of punishment is, not great.
spare grotto
Forcing children to perform physical activity, even if they are capable of it, a...
Ok but it's the children forcing the children
valid lark
Its not a whole lot different from hitting or striking them. Excpet instead of using violence to cause physical pain its making them exhert themselves
valid lark
Ok but it's the children forcing the children
And? How does that make it better...
I would be equally upset if another child hit my kid and an adult hit my kid. Both should not happen
spare grotto
No one hits no one
valid lark
Right, im just using it as an analogy
spare grotto
It's not even comparable
valid lark
From a personal stand point, i have asthma. So if i was forced to run laps for even a short period of time, (depending on the weather and whether or not ive eaten or had enough water) i could very easily have an attack and be in serious danger
You never know what kind of complications a scout may have, and its none of the other kids business to know either.
And like i said before, it really isnt that different from hitting or violence as punishment. Both are designed to cause physical pain or discomfort in retaliation for misbehaving.
My troop did used to use running as a punishment, and the older kids got yelled at because they made my friend (who had asthma much worse than me) run laps in December and he nearly collapsed
last patrol
When we give scouts the ability to use punishment in any form, it WILL turn into hazing. Not always, but it will. Not allowing that minimizes that. Additionally, we are trying to create a welcoming and inclusive scouting culture, and any type of punishment that that can be used to embarrass others, such as push ups or having someone sing, is contrary to that goal.
spare grotto
From a personal stand point, i have asthma. So if i was forced to run laps for e...
Then don't do it
valid lark
You never know what kind of complications a scout may have, and its none of the ...
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The operating word in this scenario is "forced"
last patrol
It's never forced
If I may ask, in that sort of situation how do you expect other people to react? The problem is that youth feel unfairly pressured to go along or potentially face unwarranted harassments from their peers.
Its surprising to me that Scouts Canada does not outright ban punishment, but they do clarify that punishment that's demeaning or degrading is banned in the code of conduct.
spare grotto
If I may ask, in that sort of situation how do you expect other people to react?...
That never happens, I'm not even sure it still happens
spare grotto
Its surprising to me that Scouts Canada does not outright ban punishment, but th...
Alot of things are banned by national
last patrol
That never happens, I'm not even sure it still happens
Oh, peer pressure doesnt exist? News to me
spare grotto
Oh, peer pressure doesnt exist? News to me
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No one listened to the patrol leaders
Because no one wanted to do push-ups
I'm not involved with the troop anymore though
Last I heard they hadn't organized into patrols yet
cyan mirage
vague sun
We issued pushups for things until our adults decided it was hazing, we still do as a joke and a lot of the scouts do them anyway even though they know they don't have to, for the most part we don't have many rules
midnight gyro
I remember one time when one of my scout mates (I think we were 10-12-ish years old) filled our only pot with mud and tadpoles while hiking, and we didn't notice her doing it before we had to cook dinner. We were alone, and didn't have soap or anything with us, so we couldn't really make any food.
When the leaders arrived, they gave her 200 slaps with a wet spaghetti as a punishment.
I don't know if our discipline got better, but I'd like to think that that was the point when I found out actions had consequences.
We don't do "punishments" like that anymore, but we do revoke privileges if a scout is not behaving properly. If a scout show that they can't use a knife (like running with it, or threaten someone else), then we take away their privilege to have a knife.
But idk if its just because us new leaders haven't developed the same creativity as the old ones
I was once blindfolded and put in a canoe for half an hour, because I sailed over to another raft (we were rafting on a river in Sweden) alone.
Power is one hell of a drug