#phasmo-chat
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do dropped paintings count as a throw
im having significant issues with phasmophobia since the bleasedale rework
im not even playing on that map
had my first crash
You will be here 5 years later counting the crashes
I read crush-
its my first in 80+ hours
no idea why it crashed
Its the game not you. It crashes on consoles
im on pc
I mean any videogame can crash tbh
Yeah no Im on a better Computer than my previous one & its still the same issues its a game thing
ill trust you
Me when discord crashes
you'll just create more
do you have tips for improving performance
Get more ram, a better gpu, better cpu, anything like that
Or maybe a better ssd for load times
Turn SSGI down to Medium
Quick question how does the investigation bonus work?
Awarded when you get the Ghost Type right. It's equal to the sum of your ghost type and 3 optional objectives completed, plus an additional $50 for a Perfect, which is all included pre-multiplier.
Alright thanks
Just had a hantu and thought it was a banshee roaming bc it was far from the ghost room but it had changed ghost room to the one I was in
There should 100% be a ghost that ONLY gives evidence outside of ghost room lmao
That’s actually fire
Gc dead, I might have to tag EVERYONE
Thats gonna be funny
It no work 😦
How would orbs work?
What if the ghost is in a big room and doesn't roam out of it?
woah
Orbs appears wherever the player is
Ghost writing just appears when you place it down
Same with Dots
An orbs/writing/dots ghost already exists (thaye) but that sounds like the easiest ghost ever
said ghost just wouldn't have orbs
10 steps behind
you'd grab a writing book, take it to the front door, place it down, immediately know the ghost
Okay then, no ghost writing
a sort of inverse goryo that wants to spend less time in the ghost room but not necessarily stalk the player isn't a terrible concept
Freezing
Emf 5
Ghost orbs
You can't get any of the evidence from its Ghost room, temp would just be astronomically high in Ghost room
about time we got a second ghost that can have emf/orbs on nightmare
Even when hunting it can't enter the ghost room, trust
now you've gone too far
this sounds silly but at least funny
A weeping angel style ghost would also be cool
I admit that I am very biased but most of the ghost concepts that I enjoy don't have massively obvious giveaways or can be identified by just one hunt
The marshmallow man
😦
I like ones that make me wanna sleuth
Bet, lemme think of one
Or just a ghost that speed up when the target is looking at it
Jinn
How very Jinn of it
Hear me out, this ghost while hunting will be missing ONE of their limbs (or just some key ghost model feature)
Not my best idea at all 🤦🏾♂️
Damn it, Demon, I already have Doom Slayed
A ghost that you would identify/rule out instantly just by seeing them briefly
Lemme try again
I should not have entered the ghost type in the journal. Getting 200 xp/$ instead of 100 due to daily task feels a waste of accomplishing the daily task.
the tasks are not affected by multiplier or death
I got it, a ghost that HATES silence. If it is quite for too long it will hunt.
To counter it either use environmental things (Like TVs) or keep the spirit box on
Opposite of yokai pretty much
During a hunt it hears players from further away?
Ye
Also if you as much as move in any direction
Make noise and it's pretty much a deogen
these are very large, obvious mechanic ideas
I'm imagining that the ghost has a hunt threshold of 50% and if a player is generously nearly (close enough for an event), the hunt threshold starts increasing by 1% every few seconds. If people are talking or there's a source of noise nearby the hunt threshold lowers back down rapidly to a floor of 50%.
Something like that could be workshoppable
Thank you, I finally have someone supporting my 2 minute thoughts
I was mostly concerned about the hunt thing
Fair, I overdid it
I'm trying to think how it would work in practice and in all likelihood it would mostly be just Demon Lite.
When they add Had they chosen to add another ghost, it would certainly not be identifiable during a hunt
I don't think it's an unworkable concept
Idk man, I just visit here often 🤷♂️
For me, I don't mind "identifiable during a hunt", but if it is going to be it should require a test that isn't very easy or obvious
We have enough ghosts that you can identify by listening to footsteps or looking at them
If you have to do something unique and risky, or at least with a big margin for error...
I kinda wanted to make the ghost slightly louder than normal when hunting, but idk how that would work
All in all they could add another ghost with zero unique mid-hunt mechanics and the game would be better for it
I don't mind it either, but the devs have pretty much said as much, that they wouldn't add another that can be 1-hunted
but I think it's a moot point anyway
we're still kinda holding onto this old paradox that hunts are something you naturally want to avoid and that a ghost with say, faster speed is a bad thing because its more risky - rather than a good thing because its instantly identifiable
people want a ghost that can mimic voices
like the Wendigo
can mimic voices, afraid of light
and heat
that sounds like a technical nightmare and would more or less be another multiplayer specific mechanic but hey, could work
banshee is also multiplayer specific
thus why i said 'another'
Itd also require perms that most countries would just ban.
microphone perms
??
recording perms
since when are mic perms banned
Its not about mic perms.
Goryo would be fine if Jinn had a breaker-off tell and Mare wasn't bugged
theres many other horror games that do this that dont have problems like this
I don't think the game needs necessarily be balanced around Apocalypse or anything
SCP Secret Lab lets you legit kill people and steal their voice, and replay it
There's ways to bypass this, like it being local only recordings held in cache.
But many countries would still ban phasmo when its already been sold there.
Think of the helldivers situation.
not once heard about some "country ban problems"
The fact that there's only one ghost that can't be identified on 15x makes it a non-issue in my book
Vivox is banned in Egypt, so players there can't use voice chat
so then it wouldnt work?
yeah they get an error when they log on
mares ability to turn off lights doesnt work if you have no arms mate
but that was just an example of the type of thing devs can run into with various perms
vivox issue is already in place
Theres many countries where playstation accounts cant be made. Which meant helldivers2 would no longer be able to be played, even though it was purchased.
If phasmo adds something to the game, and its banned in a country, and its removed from being able to play, then welp. Thats bad.
a recording permission wouldnt get the game removed from playstore or whatever

in VR, the game asks you for certain permissions when you firstly log onto the game
we could legit just do the same
and if people want to turn off recording then yeah
the ability wont work
yokai's ability doesnt work if you dont have a mic either
You ... i didnt say it would be removed from playstation.
There's countries where recording voice audio is banned for video games.
Doesnt matter if game asks perms, if its banned its banned.
Its a hurdle devs have to overcome as more countries passing laws.
yokai doesn't record anything
yokai requires mic for ability
yokai only cares that someone is talking, what is said is completely irrelevant
you could be singing the stonecutters song from the simpsons for all it matters
this guy is saying that vivox is banned from multiple countries
and yokai still has identifiable traits even if you're not playing with mic
ignoring that yokai uses the same feature for its ability
not in the current state of the game
voice recognition =/= voice chat entirely. and harleen isn't a guy 'v '
LOS is so deeply fucked that yokai is hard to tell in hunts
one of the tests mostly used back then before the rework were the kitchen yokai test
crouch behind a counter and if the ghost doesnt see you for a while its a yokai
Voice recognition is indeed banned in some countries.
Voice chat is indeed banned in some countries.
Local mic volume is different and isnt "listening" or recording you. Its just data saying "hey mic is active, here is the decibel values"
if you're saying that yokai's hearing range is completely impossible to test for because one room on one map has an issue with line of sight then i'm not sure how to respond
voice recording is banned in 2 countries
all i know is its banned in australia
and if phasmo is banned from those 2 countries with sales already. Cant you see how thatd be bad?
what if its banned in Madagascar and South Africa
wouldnt be a problem considering the poverty
All those people, with it purchased, just no longer have access and thats shit.
pretty sure phasmo doesnt even support half of the african languages
it wouldnt matter anyway?
Youre trolling. Right?
no
I think the Yokai also has short range of detection for electronics held by a player
This ghost is confusing me. The ghost room seems to be two rooms at once, and thus the temps never go down close to freezing.
It does. 2.5m detection range.
could be twins, is it throwing alot of shit
People talking, over voice chat, that then gets recorded has no bearings on languages supported. Like at all.
Sounds like you got a ghost that likes to roam a lot. Sometimes the "stalker" ghosts like Phantoms and Banshees can be annoying because they're trying to wander toward a target.
Roamy ghosty be roaming
Twins is still 1 ghost which would mean its roaming between the rooms. Due to temps.
It shouldn't really be roaming all that much though, since I set roaming to low in this diff.
Then it doesn't defeat the purpose if voice chat is banned in other countries if you can get other way to know if it is a Yokai or not. It is just that you cannot get that level of what others have.
Ghosts still roam. The setting doesn't stop roaming and it doesnt stop short roaming.
I mean game still has local voice, and the radio button still works.
I recommend it cause the detection range is normally 9m vs the electronic being 7.5m (normal ghosts)
Alright, finalkly, the temps in the ghost room is finally going down as expected.
Oh yeah. I forgot about spamming the radio button which it also works.
Seems like it might be a Jinn. I just checked my sanity, and it got sapped. lol
What are the evidences did you get?
none yet
Did you get the EMF reading from the breaker?
voice chat is not voice recognition
the two are seperate
vivox is a voice chat platform
VOSK is a voice recognition API software
Vivox is banned in multiple countries. I cannot confirm the same for VOSK
alright, got Freezing temps, finally
Also, some ISPs are blocking VIVOX ports, for various reasons.
so it might not be banned in your country but your ISP may be blocking the ports used
So
Uh, someone just uploaded either a glitch or of themselves cheating on the phasmophobia community group on Xbox
just now lol
Very cool. Unfortunately there's not that can be done about it without an in-game report
Yup, I was like wtf
Welp. I got it mixed up.
yokai doesnt rely on recogntion anyways, just if the mic is sending data (voice activity)
thats just a binary true false value
game detects mic is being used, doesnt need to send any data otherwise
Which means it is still possible to anger the Yokai
oh absolutely, just turn on the mic and blow into it
What level is prestiege lvl ?
100
There's two rooms I do not like it when it's the Ghost room on Tanglewood. Foywer and Utility. The h design of the foyer makes it kinda awkward to look for possible Orbs. And Utility room is a bit small for that same purpose. Foyer should just be melded in to the living room and the utility should be melded in to the Garage IMO.
still waiting on modmail save issue fix. anyone have any experience in how long they take? been 74 hours ish
geez. any way to tell if ive fallen through the cracks so to speak?
could DM them back I guess. Make sure they weren't waiting on something from you
well i sent all the details i could think of today to try and help
but it just does that checkmark since it's a bot
@cold beacon you got any advice on this? ☝️
Hmm, I'm not sure. Not seeing any open modmail tickets
that's concerning
Can always ask. If you have somehow fallen through the cracks maybe send another message. I'll ask further but that's all I got.
send another messege to what exactly? sorry never done this
To the modmail.
All I remember is all that saved file stuff has to be done by certain peeps, now tickets get sent to that team and they work office hours. Make sure everything is correct by checking #faq about contacting modmail section.
everything seems to be correct in what I did so idk. thanks for responding to those who did
it currently a saturday morning so probs wont get a response til monday....unless they decide to do it outside of work hours
But they submitted it 3 days ago
👀
yeah i put it in on the 1st so i'm getting antsy lol
lots of tickets get sent to the QA dept everyday
or rather my friends wanna play phas with me but i didnt want to be all the way back to a save from months ago. i'll poke back in monday night
have a good night all
Can anyone explain how the ghost changing its favorite room works? If the % chances on the wiki are to be believed then it seems like it should be happening multiple times a night even on Professional, but I've only ever seen it change rooms once or twice ever.
It's a hard thing to put a true percentage on because I've played games 30 mins where they've changed rooms three-five times and I've played games where they never change rooms.
Anytime a ghost long roams away from its favorite room it has a chance to change the room.
Goryo and banshee* (technically) cannot long roam so that's why they do not change rooms.
Lower the sanity. The more chance it has.
It also needs to long roam before it has this chance.
quick question does smudging the ghost area make it hunt in 1-3 mins or does it just stop it for 1-3 mins
The smudge actually has to hit the ghost and then demons will not be able to hunt for 60 seconds minimum other ghosts will not be able to hunt for 1 minute and 30 seconds minimum and a spirit will not be able to hunt for 3 minutes minimum
All depends if the smudge correctly hits.
One thing a lot of people get wrong with the smudges they just smudge the ghost room but the ghost might have walked out of it
im just on inter so it cant leave
Of course it can. any difficulty the ghost can walk out of its room
A ghost changing its favorite room is not the same as it wandering around.
but im asking like will it force the ghost to hunt after that time or is it strictly stoping it
Stopping but it will increase the activity a little bit.
it is quite active lol
You can only Force the ghost to hunt with most cursed items or Onryo after it blows out a fire 3 times. With yokai talking can increase its on threshold but not guarantee a hunt.
here ill share screen what im seeing right now
narrowed it down to a mimic twins or moroi
So in theory if you know who the Banshee's target is and they just stay in the truck the entire time at 100% sanity, wouldn't that completely prevent the Banshee from ever hunting?
Its probably mimic
but one of the events closed the front door so im thinking mimic
yeah
Yep
Any ghost can close the front door with an event
Well damn lmao
If you have it down to Mimic/Twins/Moroi then you likely have spirit box and freezing. If you don't have orbs you can rule out Onryo and Mimic straight away, then its just down to Twins/Moroi
should i be turning lights on or no?
If you turn the lights on the same room that a ghost is in they will stop their activity it's better to turn lights on somewhere else if you're trying to keep your sanity up
Remove goryo from the game
Not all of the lights, that'll overload the fuse box. Having a few lights on in well travelled areas so you can keep your sanity up is important. I'd recommend keeping them off in the ghost room specifically.
Stops throws and lowers activity
Nahh it just needs a rework
alr ty
I need a pc player
unless the devs intend to keep the goryo as a ghost with no good 0ev tells
Sure it's got a tell you just can't run in there and know right away you just got to wait a long time to see if it changes its room using stuff like motion sensors 
Keep goryos 
Need one hard ghost.
Still can get it as long as it doesn't break the light
Shade
Even with breaker broken that light switch still works eventually
Shade super easy because it doesn't do anything when you're in the same room with it use motion sensors to help
yeah shade is fine
I mean I'll give you that jinn and goryo are hard with zero evidence but the game wasn't exactly made to play with zero evidence so it is a tough one. At least usually when I'm down to those two I can take a kind of guess by how it feels like it's roaming
just mare, yurei, goryo, and breakerless jinn are the usual problems, and sometimes you can get lucky and rule a couple of them out
Yurei has tells in a hunt
Is clothes customization out yet?
No
Jinn is pretty damn easy on 0 evidence
Enlighten me plss
next year
A smudge can lock it to its room after the hunt yes pure RNG but still.. a tell lol

oh that
that's not really "in a hunt" though...
^
Hell yeah it is I smudge in the hunt when checking others it's part of it lol
I thought there was some brand new yurei secret id never heard of

I was so excited for a brief moment 😔
Bruh my frind sent me a tik tok of customization being out I forgot to look at the day he sent it. L on my part.
In general anything you see on tiktok should be assumed fake until further notice
There ya go
I only trust in phasmophobia
To its favorite room? Bc that's hard to tell when all ghosts basically hunt from their room.
After a hunt every ghost returns to its favorite room so it's possible. they don't usually change their room right away so it takes skill and patience
After the first smudge I know I have a minute 30 with most ghosts to try to find that room
Remember I'm talking actually trying to figure out the ghost because of all abilities not running in there and only checking hunt speed I use all four of my smudges
It can actually be a fine tell if you setup motion sensors, although any ghost could just decide to not leave so its still a bit of rng. Maybe more reliable than the double door touch anyways
Very much RNG. Although I have sat by front doors for a bit just outside hoping it closes them
I mean if it locked the Yurei in the room it ended it's hunt in then that'd be a lot more helpful
Motion sensors are super powerful and im sad more people dont use them
maybe the most underrated item
I've always been a motion sensor advocate especially helps people not get surprised by a shade
this game lowkey pmo ive spent like 5 hours and still dont get it
did you play the tutorial
We have a couple of places to learn about ghosts and abilities.
First we have #1254568921110024254 for ghost info and more!
Also
Check out the cheat sheet to help learn ghost info, speeds, map info and more! Click this part of the message!
what is pmo
yall, poltergeist in my last 2 games was bugged as hell i mean really he threw stuff crazy and used hisability one after another...
tutorial didnt teach anything
idk the server rules so ur gonna have to guess
it shows you how to collect evidence which is the main objective until you reach higher difficulties
You can say swears as long as you're not directing them at people they are saying pissing me off
😭
pissing me off?
oh
it means pisses me off
ty
anyway, the tutorial shows you how to use the evidence items, which is more or less enough to figure out a ghost. Where are you having issues?
does poltergeist have any colldown on his abillity?(to throw multiple stuff at once like the poltergeist bomb)
nope, it can do that bad boy back to back
happened to me like 3-5 times in a row
Hell yeah I was doing point hope the other day and it exploded the game room twice and then decided to hunt after it drained all my sanity
RIP sanity
n made a vid about it
FR
half the things idk if im using properly like how long should i wait on each item am i just roaming and not accomplishing anything like idk
awesome #videos
tbf 5h isnt all that much. There’s a lot of hidden info in the game and while most of it can be found in resources here and asking people it still takes a long time to get used to
same, that happened to us playing with a dude who was very new. I was noting the evidence, "could be a polter" BOOM go the pool balls. Then BOOM goes the chess set. Then he hunts
maybe 10 hours to get the hang of evidence gathering without dying and maybe 50-100 hours to be familiar with individual ghost behaviors
unless it's the same game 😬
and even after you’ll still learn small things
even after a couple hundred hours i was still learning new things tbh
People only learning banshee cant change fav room was recent tbh.
I was teaching my great nephew how to play the other day and the random map turned up point Hope the ghost happened to be right inside demon killed him he got the achievement I almost wanted to quit forever
at least
Hey, Stone 
Mama Mezzooooooo
im at 1000+ rn and i still occasionally learn something new
polty said "let me help you out"
My fav thing that vets learn late is deo blinks are different
unluckiest luck or luckiest unluck 
Its still funny so many dont know
I'll be honest even when it was in testing I was like
"Why?"
Look for the coldest room, keep your ears open and have an EMF reader to try and track down sounds. When you've found the ghost room (colder room), focus your search there. keep the lights off in the ghost room to encourage activity but spend most of your time in the light to keep your sanity up
Oh I was going to say did we all just lose the game?
Slow ghost is close so being more visible makes sense
ty

i got everything but didnt know what the ghost was
then it changed into a damn deo and I got cornered at the wall
I was like oh no its a mimic im gonna die nono
and i promptly died
posting.......
I couldnt see them so I couldnt smudge and walk through them
note to self, put an extra firelight at the entrance
I remember when I first started out I had that same issue of not knowing if I was using items correctly. What helped me was watching streamers/yters play rounds of phas and then just mimicking what they did until I grasped how things worked and eventually developed my own playstyle
I feel humiliated I just died to a deo 😆. I walked into a house without incense and I heard it’s fast footsteps and was like shit exited out of the hiding spot and managed to literally get backed into a corner at the nursery. The thing crept towards me and snapped my neck.
even today I still will occasionally watch various streamers just to see if they do anything I may not know about yet such as good unofficial hiding spots
sounds like tanglewood and yeah that map can be a bit claustrophobic if ur not in the living room/kitchen area. The best thing in that instance would be to try and stand as close to the deo as possible without it killing you and slowly walk back towards the corner. This way you slow the deo even more and buy yourself more time for the hunt to hopefully end
or play Willow
posted, #videos
you could try to run around it but its not always possible in tight spaces
Exactly. That’s what I tried to do. But I just panicked lol with it slowly creeping towards me. I was like screw it I ain’t dying slow. So I at least tried to sprint by it but got clipped.
ahh
the hunts last like 20-30s depending on your hunt duration setting
unless you triggered a cursed hunt at some point
Just a terrible ghost in general, if we removed it and traded with a wendigo nobody would give a fuck
That’s the thing it would need to be traded. But why trade when it could just be reworked (unless its just easier to remove and program a new ghost than rework an existing)
What differs a goryo in a hunt
0
nothing
What about an onryo
0
Ok
Onryo can hunt after blowing out firelights three times. It also can’t hunt when a flame is on within its radius (4 meters but I am unsure if that is the exact distance.)
also it can blow out the same firelight within 20 seconds
has anyone on pc thinking their emf isnt working? me any my friend did 7 rounds and not even a sound from the emf
There was someone talking about the same thing yesterday
Anyone on pc?
ok can someone tell my why the fuck vr doesnt have a button to place the t3 firelight upright
ive been trying to place this lantern for like 5 minutes because if it isnt upright the light source clips through the floor
like please just make a button to place it that would make this so much less infuriating
plenty of us are
Could I DM u
I guess
Which map gives the most Xp?
idk why there isnt a button and their physics have been bugged for the better part of the last year or so and maybe longer
t3 smudge & candle borderline impossible to use in vr
mylings pmo i didnt hear the footsteps at all until it came and then its a polty
@cosmic hull hey I was the kid from a week ago and I need help leveling up on my alt, do you think we could run some games?
You WERE the kid? Are you no longer a kid?
Yk what I mean bro please help me out my main carry is grounded rn
Please bro
I just had a thing happen where the ghost was hunting every 11 to 6 seconds but instead of being a demon it was a thaey. Am I just bad or is this an issue?
If I'm not mistaken thayes can also hunt at any time
Do you mean upon entering the house or between hunts?
between hunts
Then I think that's a game bug
Demon can hunt 20 seconds after a hunt ends and the rest 25 seconds. The only thing that overrides is a cursed item.
Me and a friend timed it
If you think you experienced a bug you can post in #bug-reports , but I haven’t heard of it myself
Can someone please carry me on 10.52x😭
Ok
TY
I JUST GOT A DEMON THAT USED IT ABILITY AT 53 SECONDS AND KILLED ME AND DID NOT GET ACHIEVEMENT
We didn't use an item but i reported it
Okay. First…. Are you on the debrief screen?
Mhm
Does it say it used the ability?
Abilities used. 1
Click the next button.
Why
Well, take a screenshot if you feel it is necessary but after that press Next.
There ya go
OMFG
patience goes a long way!
For whatever reason Steam registers is after the Next click.
Congrats!
The car was going off in the garage when I opened the door I had a sneaky suspicion
😭
man i do not understand this game at all its so confusing 😭
what part is confusing? we'd be happy to help!
i’m trying to get like evidence for things like my last game had freezing temps didn’t see a orb and dots when right through him and he was active a lot like every 30 seconds he would be doing something and it was completly not what we thought
we have only gotten 1 correct out of like 15-20 games
don’t know what i’m doing i can’t lie
The training helps if you haven't done that yet. Most things the ghost does are going to be pretty typical ghost behaviour. You don't really want to be too quick to write off or rule out evidences.
that’s what we both did it’s just we never get like all 3 evidences and don’t know fully which ghosts do what so we get it wrong
last game he showed up like every 30 seconds stood still by a car chased us a few times ran up to me and disappeared and all that
also never got spirit box or ghost writing to work don’t know if i’m doing that wrong as well
Just checking, the demon shouldnt be able to hunt at 90% average team sanity right ? that's an ability
it COULD
it's normal hunt is 70% it's ability is 100%
oh
If anybody can help, I have a question, can it be a shade if the only reaction you get is burning the crucifix in the same rooms?
Anybody Wanna Play Phasmophobia?
Multiplayer?
It can be... Shade can't hunt normally if someone is in the same room as it. But it can cross the boundary into another room and then burn the crucifix if it's still in range.
Okay I understand that, thank you.
Demon can hunt at any sanity even at 100%
@tacit fog Wya?
@queen tusk i can try to help if u want
i need it fr
Yoo is any1 down to help me lvl up to abt 70?
-lfg
Less so than this chat!
😭 🙏 500k n ts dead idk how fr
How long u been mod for (trial)?
Iunno, a while.
fr bro
fr.
The majority of the server is US and Europe. Europe is in early morning and US is mostly going to bed.
Unless you're nocturnal ||like me||
What if this channel had a bot that would post "Channel got captured by {insert random ghost type}" if the last message sent was 20(Or more) minutes ago.
@cosmic hull I need code
Mb
It's full😭😭
damn
@cosmic hull tell me when you have room in your lobby pls
how do u open the book to use it?
I'm gonna leave after the next successful hunt
Ok
-lfg
Anyone got a list of ghost pronunciations?
That's a hard one I mean a lot of people are going to pronounce them different and different cultures actually even change the names completely in some cases.
I was just really surprised by how deogen is actually pronounced so I thought it would be fun to learn all of them
Here's how I say um lol
Obake: oh bah kee
Yurei: yer ay
Demon: Dee mon
hantu: han two
Onryo: on ree oh
Banshee: ban she
Spirit: spear it
Deogen: dee oh gin
Phantom: fan tahmm
Shade: shah duh
Mare: mare
Jinn: gin
Revenant: rev an ant
Oni: ohh knee
Thaye: they
Moroi: more oi
Myling: my ling
Goryo: trash I mean gore e oh
Raiju: rye jau ( Raichu lol )
mimic mim ick
Twins twah inns
Yeah I mean the official ones, deogen is pronounced like the dutch/german "de ogen"
definitely not o bake
Wait you pronounce shade as shah duh?
Technically, it's spelt "Youkai" to account for the Japanese spelling in hiragana
Accents and localized wording
Tbo that's when I'm trying to say um close to what would be right. In my state we loose most our R's and add K's and or H's
Kah "car" yahd "yard" etc
I just completed my first challenge mode
this weeks was pretty easy but still proud lol
Just 9 more weeks to go for achievement
Good job
i got the game like 2 weeks ago but I've just been grinding prestiges instead of challenge mode lol
Hi what's up guys
Play how you like but remember to do the challenge mode every week so that you don't have to wait longer than you have to for the achievement
if ur on pc u have to hold f and on console its L2 / LT
ducks
I’m aus
Hello Mezz
It's like 1am for you, no?
Correct
4 am ghost hunting
I can't talk, I was playing BG3 at 1am yesterday
Altho more so ghost repelling
today I suppose
I used to fall asleep gaming
Same, when I was young (er)
what's the difference between t2 tripod and t3
T3 is harder for the ghost to knock down
oh ok
I remember I was chillen in the ghost room trying to get some type of evidence and tipped my trpod sideways lol
2 star photo for some reason
Is the ouija board buggy for anyone else ?
Who wants to play
-lfg look here
Thanks
I just had a moroi on prison and I didnt keep track of my sanity, worst experience in my life and most terrifying
Morois are fun
It has been for me tbh
nah
Does anyone want to watch me stream? I'm not a content creator so it would just be raw phasmophobia. I would really appreciate anyone that wants to watch
wha tthe
You mean something like in the VCs?
Correct
Ah gotcha. I mean, you can just start streaming it in VC and people will just join usually ☺️
We'll see I suppose
how do i change my name in the game?
It uses your Steam profile name on PC. In your profile, edit profile > general > profile name.
On console I assume it uses your account name there.
alright thanks,cuz i use my full name for steam😭
Should be a quick change then!
question: if a temperature is below zero (in example like 0.6 degree's) does that automatically mean it's gonna be freezing as an evidence?
I think it’s below .5 degrees when it’s freezing or below 30 I can’t remember lol but if you go back to the
Tutorial it may tell you I forget lol
context I play with celsius
its everything below 1 degree
that's super useful to know, cheers.
so 0.9 and below is freezing even if it doesn't go negative, perfect.
but only tier 2 and 3
freezing is below 0 for the t1
t2 & t3 has anything 0.9C and below as freezing
yes thanks xd
okay one more question.
if a ghost leaves behind footprints with U.V does that count as U.V for evidence?
mhm!!
perfect.
Hey friends. DOTS is comepltely broken for me. It is today and it was last i played over a week ago. I am completely unable to get DOTS as an evidence (when i have DOTS ghosts it NEVER shows up in DOTS). ANyone else had this issue and/or know how to fix it?
idk
I FINALLY get a good opportunity to get a perfect no sanity no evidence game, i get all the quests, all the pictures. AND the ghost is an easy deogen.. and i just need the bone. BUT IT JUST SO HAPPENS TO SPAWN IN AN UNREACHABLE LOCATION
maybe its the guy that only shows up on cam?
usually its supposed to spawn anywhere the ghost can get
naa I mean when i have DOTS ghsots that are not the goryo, and i spent ages with the ghost and it never shows up
well i cant reach it no matter what
weird
Maybe it never walked through?
that one dots bug is so ouch tho
I been wondering that, but its been consistent over multiple games and a long time
the one where if the ghost goes through dots while in a hunt its invisible
That's strange, for me it shows dots very well for a few weeks
rip my perfect game
fr
u wanna see where it spawned??
i did every apoc and call myself lucky to find everything easily
show me
check #screenshots
goryo dots are strange and you do need to setup proper to really see them consistent.
OH NO
huhhh
how can i reach that???
Yeah im not talking about Goryo, im talking about all other DOTS ghosts
i thought u can like climb over beds if u turn weirdly
hm
I'll test it out rq
ill try
i could have just gotten extremely unlucky ofc
to see if its a general bug or for you
Graphic settings?
those are pretty consistent. Be in room with it and setup so you have a clear view of where it would roam towards you. Use motion sensors to know it's location so you know where it'll roam from.
why do you need to know where it'll roam from? Well when in same room with a ghost when it enters dots, it will roam to player.
Ye thats what im wondering, if some settings are bugging together, and if anyone else has gotten a siumilar issue and knoiw what to fix it
Yeah ive tried with motion and alot of patience, and tier 3 DOTS. Might have to just do some trial and error with my settings coz idk whats happening 😛
like i said. When it enters dots state it will roam to player. So keep an eye out for that. And it's pretty consistent when in same room as the ghost and lights are off. i spend way too much time with Thayes
I CANNOT REACH THIS THING FOR THE LIFE OF ME
does anyone have any ideas on how i can get this bone??
no-? 😭
there is this board in the van. (quests for today) and you can take it with you and try to place it like a ramp. so you can go to the bed
let me know if it works
im trying to but this ghost keeps trying to kill me halfway through 😭
oh no...
i really wanna get this cuz itd be my first perfect no sanity no evidence game
not sure tbf
either have the same chance.
you'll tell which ghost it is during a hunt though
whats the best way to try and do this? 😭
tbh. sometimes the bone spawns in an unreachable location. You got that right now. It's best to just dip out at this point.

aw man ):
the clip board from van doesn't have collision or shouldn'
welp rip my run 🫡
im out of insence and so im unsure. bcuz the last time it hunted it was fast and slowed down when i smuged it but i cant seem to get freezing temps but the investigation been going on for a while so i feel like a thaye would be so much slower atp
wait
..too late
i had a similar thing
try crouching and going to different sides of bed
do you have hiding spots?
crouching is important
ye
rev is slow when it doesn't detect a player. Thaye is always fast.
what tier smudge?
i already ended it 😭 i got 4,079
2
had you tried crouching
yeah
just stay in the hiding spot. If he is veeeery slow: revenant. If he is not slow: thaye
Do you guys think going into the future would apoc challenge be harder or easier?
that slows down the ghost during the smudge time.
is the ghost slow when it has no detection of you? Thaye an rev are fairly easy to tell during a hunt.
yes 🙂
THERES NO WAY
THE NEXT GAME I GOT ANOTHER DEOGEN AND I GOT A PERFECT GAME
EASYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
GG
gl
wait where ur main account?
Noice
nvm wrong jenny lol
and the bone was so easy this time
Sup! BTW I watched your livestream on Twitch yesterday, the noobs guide one
hahahah
perfect
ah it was uuuu
Yea
do you guys have any tips for getting the Deo spirit box response? i really want to get it for myself but haven’t had any luck yet
Motion sensors are good, salt as well - you need to be very close to the Deo
i think it’s smn like >1m of it
i also still haven’t heard the banshee scream which i also want to try and get
Within 1m and 1/3 chance you'll get the response
we keep hitting random for maps and have gotten sunny meadows full and restricted about 20 times, only one we got a different map and it was edgefield
]
That's really unfortunate
I forgot to check if my legacy level saved after I reset, will check that later
It should save
Yippee
Yep, it does
hey everyone, so i have this wierd issue with my mic when streaming, everyone can hear me but the ghosts can not, and if i check the settings it only picks up to a certain extend
go to main menu. Swap voice recognition to None. Hit apply. Swap it to Voice. Hit apply.
This should work
keep in mind that voice chat and voice recognition are seperate systems and just becuase one works doesn't mean it's working for other.
do i have to be in the lobby for this? or can it work in game
The game loves giving me Point Hope recently
tried this, same issue. i can show a screenshot of what happens but i cant post it here
Point hope should get remake
you can post it here #screenshots
I don't think it needs to be remade, I think it needs some tweaks - audio between floors, a fire escape or something around the outside of the building, Ghost pathing, hiding spot
alright i put it there
and it just sticks to that untill i stop talking
Modifying some room boundaries as well
Its a new map built from scratch. Highly doubt itd get a remake.
I enjoy Point Hope - I work around its flaws as best as I can
I think point hope is a good map. Top3
i like the details of the map
Thats not voice recognition settings.
Aesthetically, love it. Points for uniqueness as well. Gameplay wise, it needs a little bit of work imo
Visually point hope is amazing
Yeah
i already tried ur voice recognition settings which didnt work
Go to main lobby
Game settings
Voice recognition change to None. Hit apply
Change to Voice. Hit apply
Should work.
I have very high expectations for new maps given how good Bleasdale rework is
Either way. Voice chat and voice recognition are 2 seperate systems.
So. If its not working. #common-tech-fixes before a #1082421799578521620 ticket.
I was so happy with point hope that i was like "yeah. They got a vision clearly"
And its good. I like the direction they are going with. The whole like time isnt real thing.
Opens up so much for their hallucinations later on.
yes, I had concerns about the Tanglewood map but now I think it could be very nice
The supposed diner map would be very cool if executed correctly
I am a little sceptical on how they can execute a diner, and make it work for Phas
Mostly because of the number of rooms
I'm hoping Nell's Diner is a red herring on a personal level
Diners, at least in the states, can have plenty of rooms. Similar to tangle wood or a few more
Just give us the mcdonalds map
Small diners in states can and generally are houses converted into diners.
So multiple rooms for dining areas alone
Really? the diners in the US I've ever been to, or seen only have like one main room, kitchen, toilets etc
One in my home town we had 6 rooms for dining areas. Cook spot. Dishes. And an upstairs apartment and a connected apartment owners lived in these
I could get behind something like that
House map but with a downstairs diner
I'd get behind a cellar of sorts
you just never went to small town diners then bourbon. The older ones were and are generally converted larger homes.
The newer ones were purpose built to be food establishments.
Sorry, time isn't real? Nobody told me this.
I will not give up on my dream of a train station map
and maybe a small basement to storage the groceries xd
Funny cause this one did have a basement.
They could do a whole bunch of tiny maps like that and pump out a couple per year but I don't know if I would like that
The basement can have a big freezer or something
Wibbly wobbly. Its why theres cobwebs, bunch of mail, hot coffee, smoking cigars.
Time isnt set in stone for these locations.
I'd like to see at least one more large map, one medium and two small maps by 1.0
CJ talked about it for the future of hallucinations and their intent behind all that.
Endless dripping orange juice in point hope lol
I got trolled so hard by a spirit. I was playing 2 evidence and narrowed it down to either a spirit or poltergeist, and so I made a little pile of stuff in the ghost room, and when I came back from a short trip to the truck, 5 items were thrown in the room and I thought it would be impossible for a spirit to throw that many in such a short amount of time. I was wrong
Has it been days. Hours. Weeks. Months since investigators got into a location. Who knows but it can sure feel like weeks. But time barelh moved.
Large - A supermarket of sorts (not like a really big one)
Medium map - Train station
Small map - Diner + Doctor's Office
i'd love to see a carnival
Or an xxxl map where its just a whole estate with 50 houses in it lol
Id love to see a semi nice funeral home tbh. Morgue imolimented somewhere in it of course.
Oooo. Makes me think if the Jesse James estate farm could be a good idea for a map. We always assumed it was haunted since well, so many people buried there. Unmarked graves and stuff.
Prestige 21 would have been a good April fools joke update
That would be kinda funny ngl
so what they did for this year
is that Lore or is that a gaaaame theory?
sadly nothing
damn
well i had a 2 week stop from gaming
was on a school exchange program in greece
gotta remind myself all the ghosts again
I got bored and made a thing
.
I'll send the image in a channel that allows attachments
why cant i send anything in screenshots channel?
maybe youre new
It's in the "fan-creations" channel
You have to be in the server for over 24 hours to get access to the media channels
ok
free goryos for everyone yet again
On nightmare and insantiy (fewer evidence difficulties), a Goryo must always have DOTS as evidence right?
yes
aight thanks man
ofc

Being the room as goryo in multiplayer you won't see dots? If one player is in the room
only on camrea
Does the camera also have to be out of the room to see Goryo or can you just place the camera in the ghost room and go in the truck to check for Goryo
it can be in the room you have to veiw it from the truck only
You just need to be out of the room, you can stand in kitchen and point towards dining if you see the dots in the camera and not in the room it's goryo.
Alright thanks
I'll rephrase the question, if someone is in the room, and you're watching from the truck through a cam, will the goryo give dots still? I've read here somewhere that entering and leaving and re entering causes the dots to reset
there is an instance where goryo can appear on video cam (via dots ofc) while someone is in the room however
Waiting for Goryo dots is like watching grass grow
if goryo decides to enter dots state outside of the room, before entering a room with a player already inside, the goryo will still appear in the video cam (but still invisible to the player in the room)
Is that the 1 second dots I see sometimes on goryo
cant say for sure
yo
Also have you witnessed this bug? The ghost does a chase event towards you and if you leave the house while it's doing it the lights keep flickering and even if you turn them off Or on it doesn't fix.
House lights
well lights can flicker during and outside of events
The event has ended, it's permanently flickering
Guys, @frosty stump and I are playing phas and we got twins, we wanted to do a hunt so we pulled voodoo pins (we are on Prof so we have grace period) and I pulled heart pin. We ran and it insta killed me. It didn't even hunt for a second
Ah I'll record it next time it's not hard to replicate.
well cursed hunts have a 1 sec grace period
Yeah but this didn't even last a second
yeah post it in #videos and tag me if u do
I used board and my brain it was less than half a second
Didn't even make hunt start sound
Yo
yo
It played a different audio when I died aswell, it was like wind
Halo
Hi
Don't play with cursed objects in the ghost room lol
how did it kill u?
were u in its room?
By death
I pulled the pin, less than a second later I was dead
Yeah
....
Wat?
what tier crucifix did u have in the room?
Mate we aren't stupid
Mate we know that it hunted
It insta hunted
And it played a different audio when I died, it was like wind
Do you have a recording of the audio?
my only assumption is that u incorrectly interpreted the 1 sec grace period and it killed u normally 😐
Yeah I'm clipping it now
Pretty sure we didn't but ty anyway
Done
He's sending the clip now, I did some timing and yeah it's less than a second
yo is there a way to report someone here on the dc instead of on the game?
i got proof aswell
@violet nova Dm them with player ID and video mod will help
Probably dogshit timing and ended up being a normal hunt instead of a cursed?? Fuck knows but that seems like the only possibility
We had a lot of sanity
whats the name of the person
let me check the photos
🤷♂️
Yeah that's what I thought but we were like 70 ish percent sanuty
@violet nova report that to modmail with proof and they will take care of it if they can
thanks
Ofc! have fun playing!
@desert chasm (talking here cus the cool down in videoes) I have realised that the audio is because I went downstairs after I died so the sound went away. But imo that grace period didn't exist
I just timed it and I got 1 second
Oh ok mb tysm
Look. I feel like it wasn't a second. I'm not gonna argue cus quite frankly I've got more important things to spend my time on, bye
George seriously, chill
It's okay. I think the shorter grace periods can be really hard to time
It sucks when it spawns on you, maybe no cursed items in ghost room?
I play 0 grace so I am used to being very, very aware of being spawned on
-trello
Kinetic Games has a Trello Board! There you can see potential upcoming updates, features, and fixes. You can find the Trello @ https://trello.com/b/9QrnqQ1j/phasmophobia.
Heres a 200 word essay on PAJAMA PAM (sorry if it needs to be deleted but I think it's cool to be shared - it was made by meta ai)
Here's a 200-word character analysis of Pajama Pam from Phasmophobia:
Pajama Pam is one of the many ghost models in the popular horror game Phasmophobia. This eerie entity is known for her unpredictable behavior and unsettling presence. Players often find themselves on edge when encountering Pam, as her actions can be both subtle and terrifying.
Pam's design and animations are carefully crafted to create an atmosphere of unease, making players question what's real and what's just their imagination. Her ability to blend into the environment and suddenly appear nearby adds to the tension, keeping players on their toes.
As a ghost model, Pam serves as a reminder that the paranormal world is full of mysteries and dangers. Her presence challenges players to confront their fears and push through the uncertainty to uncover the truth. With Pam's haunting presence, Phasmophobia delivers an immersive experience that will leave players sleeping with the lights on.
Pajama Pam's impact on the game is undeniable, making her a fan favorite among players. Her unsettling nature and unpredictable behavior have cemented her place as a memorable part of the Phasmophobia experience. Whether you're a seasoned player or new to the game, Pam's presence is sure to leave a lasting impression.
The Butcher is a haunting ghost model in Phasmophobia, a popular horror game. This eerie entity is known for its unsettling presence and gruesome behavior. Players often find themselves on edge when encountering the Butcher, as its actions can be both unpredictable and terrifying.
The Butcher's design and animations are carefully crafted to create an atmosphere of dread, making players feel like they're in the presence of a malevolent force. Its ability to manipulate its surroundings and create an aura of fear adds to the tension, keeping players on their toes.
As a ghost model, the Butcher serves as a reminder that the paranormal world is full of mysteries and dangers. Its presence challenges players to confront their fears and push through the uncertainty to uncover the truth. With the Butcher's haunting presence, Phasmophobia delivers an immersive experience that will leave players sleeping with the lights on.
The Butcher's impact on the game is undeniable, making it a fan favorite among players. Its unsettling nature and unpredictable behavior have cemented its place as a memorable part of the Phasmophobia experience. Whether you're a seasoned player or new to the game, the Butcher's presence is sure to leave a lasting impression, forever changing the way you approach the paranormal. Fear is guaranteed.
Bro really had to copy my style (John literally used meta ai to make these)
Mate I'm the one who sent you the pajama pam essay 😭
Dun, Dun, Dun
Would you rather be a fart smeller or a smart fella

The butcher is my favorite ghost model
Do the ghosts talk via spirit box or not? I have response lvl +5?
Not all of them,
so when is response lvl +5 it doesnt mean spirit box?
The red level just means that it didnt work and to try again
@minor delta If that happens again with the hands you can make it so the other person who picked up the same thing puts theirs back and it should sort it out
This is my first time playing at the high school level, whats the best equipment to take with?
Full tier 1
Only starter equipment 
Yeah, perfect game with all t1 starters is easy on school, even easier on meadows
Im level 10 so makes sense
In all seriousness I would say full tier 3 but tier 2 smudges if you have access
And remember, when the ghost hunts. Give it a BIG hug
Yes.
how do you get all the tarot cards in the lobby?
Pull them all in game
ah okay 😔 just gonna keep going until i get the hanged man
do you need to take a photo of the cards first?
nope
awesome okay
So I have a ghost and it hunted at 85%
Which ghost can it be?
(It was not a cursed hunt)
Demon, Mimic, technically Onryo
It can be either one of those?
well Onryo would've had to have blown out 3 flames, so you prolly would've noticed that. Mimic would be copying Demon
No I just started the game with only starter equipments I have 85% sanity and it hunted
Okay thanks
You can check for Spirit Box and/or Ghost Orbs for a mimic confirmation.
or Ghost Writing for a Demon.
They need to make an amusement park or circus location
I just guessed cuz I didn’t want to die again and lose a equipment
Yeah when you've got a Demon and no smudges, I don't blame you
nvm ive just gotten it!!!
Fellas
It is with great pleasure that I announce, I have gotten the Apoc 1 trophy. 1 down, 2 to go, hell yeah
hell ya congrats 😄
Yo does anyone want to play
seeing as I got prestige 5 in 2 weeks, I can probably rush prestige 20 and then do apocalypse trophies
-lfg
It was such a lucky run, I got the ghost room as the first room to the left, it was a deo and my objectives were Get a photo, witness an event and blow out firelight
But I reset like 20 times to get it
How do you even get the badge
For Apoc?
why there isnt lfg-antartica
Ya
Penguins don't like identifying ghosts seeing as they have no clue what ghosts are.
Source: my friend is a penguin
Maybe you should've mentioned the fact that there is no Africa or Oceania, not Antarctica 💀
then why there isnt lfg-low-earth-orbit? they have other time than anywhere on earth
guys on iss wants to play to
o.O
First you have to be level 50, then you go to the difficulty selection thing, and select apocalypse difficulty. You have to do it in singleplayer, identify the ghost, get a photo of the ghost and then complete all three objectives. Doesn't matter if you live or die, and at the end, you get the trophy unlocked
I just played a game we’re we successfully identified the ghost and didn’t die, I earned $1664 but when I loaded back into the main lobby my money was not added to my total cash, why did phas just rob me for being successful?
Client didn't pay, sue them to death
Oh want to help me hit level 50
Yeah but the ping on the ISS would be abysmal, except for like 45 seconds when the ISS flies over your region
I have finals in a few days but after that, sure
Same
I guess now I'll wait to get the tier 3 headgear so I can attempt Apoc 2
And get better at identifying off of 1 evidence
For the Onryo's 3 flame hunt ability, does it have to be the one to blow out all 3 flames or if I manually exstinguish 3 flames will that also start a hunt? Also can it be the same one? As in can I manually light/extinguish the same candle 3 times in quick succession to trigger a hunt? Currently between Onryo/Mimic and trying to get that last piece of definitive evidence :P
I already know how to identify off of 1 evidence
they have internet it would be posible ig
Ghost has to blow them out. Yes it can be the same one.
^^^What he said
Gotcha thx
And do not lose track of the blowouts, one time I forgot that it was gonna do the 3rd blowout and I was sitting there chilling in the corner, and it blew out the firelight and I just accepted my fate
And very important: Remember that flames also act as crucifixes for Onryo
You're out of sanity
Trying all of the interaction keys and it's not changing my cursor or giving any prompt ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Did you already use it once?
Nope
Can you put a normal candle down and light that?
I figured it out, didn't realize they had to be lit in a specific order
they don't though
Lol
That's the only thing that worked for me idk. Wouldn't let me light any of them until I lit the shortest one then only let me light them from shortest to tallest, wouldn't let me light them out of that order ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Cheeseburger
I’m on discord on my phone and trying to report a bug and I don’t know how to get a link to the evidence can someone help
The bug is on tanglewood at least I can’t light the summoning circle
Basically upload pics ot vids to somwhere and then link it
Well, do you have the sanity reequired to light it?
Each candle costs 16 sanity
Yea just tested it with 100% sanity
Went in and tried it 3 times on different games each one I couldn’t light it
can you put down a normal candle and light that?
Lmao someone offered me cheats in dms truly an ez report 
lol
😅
Back to finding my ghosts
works fine for me, just checked it on TW
What's my next ghost gonna be
Must be on my end idk I’m also on console
I can even get all 5 lit w/ a single match
Hello I have a problem on Xbox and it's my ready up button, I'm with 2 friends but it's greyed out and we have a map selected with everyone readied but me because it won't let me does anyone know how to fix this it has been happening for about 2 days now
this fuckass t1 thermometer is the shittiest experience i've had in gaming
Someone pin this
Most relatable thing I've seen all day
Bruh does no one know how to fix it
Well this isn't the tech support channel so you can't really expect someone to immediately jump to your aid with something like that
If you are experiencing a technical issue (e.g. audio, connection, loading/crashing etc), please see: #common-tech-fixes | #1020011442205900870 | #1082421799578521620.
If you are experiencing a bug or game issue, please report the issue to the #bug-reports channel accordingly (exception: exploits, which can be directed to @violet nova at your own discretion).
For all save file or badge issues please message @violet nova
Looking through other tech support issues, everyone that's had that problem has just had it start working
I've asked in like 5 other channels
Just out of nowhere ?
Your post in #1082421799578521620 is the right place to be. Doesn't seem to be a widely know issue
yeah just search "ready" in tech support. Like 5 other people had the same issue
er, or 4. You're the 5th
one person got it working on another region, so maybe change regions and change back? don't have a solid answer here, sorry
Ok thanks I just desperately needed help because it's kinda annoying when I buy game and I can't play it with friends appreciate the attempt to help though I'll see if changing regions work
yeah totally feel you. Frustrating as hell. Good luck 🍀. If you do get it working, add to your post with what you did. That might lend some insight for the next person.
Ok
Rn I'm uninstalling and reinstalling it may work if not then I'm gonna try the region one
Generally on Steam they've advise to verify files instead of reinstalling, but I suppose that's not an option for consoles.
Is there any mod here I can ask questions?
What's up?
Is it okay if I ask ppl to join my server who I play with or wanna play with through here?
I usually do streams for my friends from other games who like watching me play
-lfg ⬇️
I want to first get confirmation if I could coz I dont want the ban hammer
or you mean your discord?
The question is if I can ask them to join my server here or no
yeah sorry, that's a question for Ren, my bad
Exactly why I asked for a mod lol
Hi Van
No, we generally do not want users advertising external sources in the server.
Okay gotcha
See this why I asked mod, dont want the ban hammer
You can dm them but not here
Aiii
You can post your stream in #stream-links when you go live
Not DMs either, technically
That’s the rule for it
I see

