Punishment for Macro

[west vault]

Evidently enough, the current player Eternum Invader's recent ban, or should we say, slap on the wrist has caused a lot of controversy and discussion lately, and is now taking place in channels it doesn't belong. Tails mentioned to make a feedback for it, so here is my two cents on the matter. The last time someone was caught for this same violation, in the same context, they were DELETED, no questions asked. I understand rules can change overtime, however, I think a level 700 alleged "warplayer" knows the rules. There's a reason he was willing to cheat on a level 700. Getting caught for tasker and only having a 2 week ban is, in a lot of circumstances, worth the punishment so to speak.

Said macro can cause an enormous massacre in pvp, one having over 50 deaths like in the current war on Eternum. I truly don't think you guys realize just how much time and money people lose due to ONE PLAYER using a macro in a fight. A 2 week ban is comical when you consider it in actual context, or in this scenario, how this level 700 did on what's becoming the biggest war on Medivia.

If you stand your ground on this changed rule and keep it at 2 weeks for a ban, you're more than likely going to see it more and more often. That's at least my opinion and how I see it.

[silent maple]

Delete all Macro players, otherwise they're just gonna keep doing the same.

[rigid zealot]

Just to give a bit of nuances on this matter that may be relevant for further comments, minor rule violation comes with a final warning.
Which means another minor rule violation would lead to a permanent banishment.

This also does not mean a player who has a minor rule violation will be deleted for writing in the wrong channel in game repeatedly, but..

Any further rule violation that gives him any tiny small advantage would lead to a banishment.
Examples: macroing, mc in pvp and of course botting who already goes into permanent banishment.

[lavish pivot]

Wtf, you can use a bot/macro and not get perma deleted now???only a minor rule violation???? Thats crazyyyyy😐

[west vault]

We understand that. What we don't understand is why cheaters on this matter are receiving a warning in the first place? It just doesn't make sense why rules were changed in favor to cater cheaters on this matter.

[sullen ember]

It has been like this for years now but there is only light shed on the matter because there is an level 700 I guess, I have not seen the evidence and don’t play on Eternum but I know on Progeny in the beginning there was 30+ makers with full automation tasker making runes 24/7 with months of online time in a row and all of them got 2 weeks ban and this is 2 years ago. This however did cause people to not bother reporting as it only resulted in 2 weeks ban…

[west vault]

Personally, I think anyone using tasker/macro in any way,shape, or form should be deleted. For the sake of this thread though, it's someone utilizing a macro in pvp to kill other people, on a very large scale during a large war with over 100 people involved. It just makes it even worse.

[sullen ember]

Yes I do agree Brian just putting it out there that extensive macro use has not been punished with instant deletion for a while.

[cedar spire]

Bring back campeao libertadores and all his items back, and replace his ban with a warning, since he had no priors before that, isnt that fair according to what you're saying? Because back then, he was hunting whatever, doing whatever, couldnt possible be compared to what this knight was doing. And you guys are taking it as serious as a maker making runes with macro.

It seems that you guys dont have any rules actually WRITTEN DOWN, you have a scope of what you want to do, and you go with it. That doesnt work clearly, since we're here talking about it.
Make a stand, actually figure out penaltys for such actions and stick to it, so you dont need to hear from the community like this.
Something on this scope idk
1 Botting/macroing - sever rule breaking - perma banning
2 Exploiting - 2 week warning
3 Chargeback - 2 week warning + payback money
Just make something up in between staff, talk about it or ask us what would be the penalty, cause this been going on since beginning of Medivia, every war, every server, people bend the rules to fit their will, cause you guys never actually stood for the rules, cause you dont have a set penalty yet.
This would make ur life better and ours aswell, since people would stop doing this retarded shit, and you wouldnt have to investigate into this anymore.

[rigid zealot]

Hello,

I took some time to think about this post into how to write properly to try once again to make things clear and hopefully after this explanation and answer we will have no more questions but rather just proposoals to change current rules (which even if they come to a change, will not have effect on prior banishments).

Many informations can be seen on this topic where Iryont states several things during the post. https://discordapp.com/channels/433936691431211009/1136281355974623373

In one of his messages:https://discordapp.com/channels/433936691431211009/1136281355974623373/1137300079896698880
He states an obvious thing, we cannot ban players over an assumption.
Eternum Invader was reported for moving a parcel too fast for a human, It was verified and detected that indeed the person who was playing the character at the time threw 3 parcels within a inhuman velocity that cannot be achieved unless somekind of assistance is used.

We are not Riot Games who uses the anti-cheat system Vanguard that knows everything running in your computer while you are playing, Do you understand the precedent that a ban for assumption would cause ? I could banish anyone for believing in something, today it is your enemy and what about tomorrow?

I cannot tell what he was using, indeed could be a well made bot, it could be AHK, it could be synapse from his mouse BUT we dont know, what we know? inhuman behavior, fast movement of items so the 100% guarantee conclusion is: macro.

The punishment for macro(minor rule violation) is given through a default command that i dont even type the time, its always 14 days.

The punishment for botting(major rule violation) is given through another command that i dont type anything but the name, always permanent banishment.

[rigid zealot]

About Campeao Libertadores..

He was caught being the owner of two characters hunting automatically, these characters were online and hunting at the same time.
The standard procedure for cases like this is to ban all characters connected to the offenders.

I've been exercising this treatment since day one and I'm sure that if you, on any server, ask people you know around you, if they know of a case like this, they will tell you that player X was deleted because he was botting in secondary characters, This case of yours is not special, it was not unique, it was not the first and it was not the last, it happens all the time.

[west vault]

Using a macro in pvp as he is using it can cause a massacre of 65 players dying. That’s 9750 mc in dawnlights, 3250 mc in blessings, 2400 mc in sigils (estimating half the players use aol because on a mage you ssa), and not to mention probably (estimating) 350 hours of hunting, not to mention dawnlights are a limited supply and they can now hold the blessing down. This is all also pretending not 1 person messed up and drops their bp due to how fast snowballing massacres occur.

Again, in the past, this situation was an automatic deletion, and I agree with it. You have to set examples with these type of situations, as you can see they are very drastic and cause a lot of damage.

How do you sit here now knowing how big of a deal this actually is and say “eh 2 weeks is a nice punishment”?

[rigid zealot]

I stand by what i said, there is no nuance of level or being in pvp action in the rule, unless something changes in the rules further banishments will be like this one, this banishment will remain as it is regardless of changes.

[tame jungle]

on high rate complain about dawnlights rlly?

[silver halo]

So going forward this behavior is worth 2 week ban we well see this more in this war then

[rigid zealot]

It also lead to a permanent banishment/deletion on the second occurrence and make no mistake, those records are permanent, regardless of being sold or name change, the character will always have a final warning on their record.

This is just an example to players see that we are not kidding when something can be a permanent record on their character.

[silver halo]

What to stop someone from just burning a 400 bomb char like Brian said this cheat can turn a battle and cost a lot of MC and exp

[west vault]

This is precisely what I was going to comment with. Tails, the issue is not someone’s main character. It’s worth people buying a level 350 and causing 50+ enemies to die knowing you can do it twice, once immediately, and another time after 14 days pass.

[daring sable]

crazy, you guys made these rules softer for new comers who might have not checked up on the rules before playing. A top level using such macro/cheat to his advantage, he obviously knows what he is risking

[dawn schooner]

If you’re worried that banning rule-breakers will cost you money, not doing so can actually lead to bigger losses in the long run. Letting bad behaviour continue can make your community or business toxic, driving away good members or customers. While you may keep some rule-breakers, you risk losing loyal people who bring real value. Over time, this damages your reputation and costs you more than taking action early.

[tribal lichen]

They’ve deleted macro users for yearssss and now all of a sudden it’s a 2 week ban?! 😂😂😂

[analog atlas]

I thought everybody was equal now it just feels like some ppl get special treatments

[real estuary]

Transfer from pendulum back to eternum when? 🫠🤣