Retro Medivia without Pay to Win

[outer night]

one last time?

[normal urchin]

december 6th, december 13th doesnt matter!

[nocturne parcel]

Tomorrow

[drowsy surge]

it does matter..by then everybody we know will have either moved on with their lives or fully committed to other games

[normal urchin]

unfortunately due to it being released before the holidays my team of 10 and myself will be unable to play

[outer night]

Is Brian receiving GM position on his server?

[tribal sierra]

He would never abuse that xd

[drowsy surge]

oh boy here we go

[plush adder]

You guys think they all have a group chat and just laughing at this or what

[outer night]

Brian alone on Brianera, atleast you'll have all the ores to yourself!!

[minor needle]

New name for this new server?

[final kindle]

Yes, its dedicated to Brian

[tranquil niche]

for 300mc a prem this pop seems quite unlikely sadly

[neat wadi]

We should start thinking of what the next server after braintopia should be like

[opaque flint]

Full strife pvp-e

[tranquil niche]

for the next server after I vote that its required to send id scan, sacrifice a chicken and show unemployment documents to join for premium price

[soft pelican]

ye a true hardcore server
also the stamina starts draining from the start of the server, but only if you are offline, when you are online you gain stamina
if your stamina reaches 12 hours loose 50% of your level
if it reaches 0 hours your char gets deleted
it was supposed to be a troll suggestion but it would be fun in a hardcore strife server right? haha you get forced to XP somehow

[tranquil niche]

every single time you die your mcdonald promo coupons get used. lets make it real hard

[plush adder]

It’s 250 mc not 300

[tranquil niche]

in the game where potentialy more than 50% pop is makers 250mc is still quite a lot

[gusty quarry]

Then don’t play

[plush adder]

I think you misinterpreted my message. What I meant was that if he launched the server sooner than later with a normal premium price, that it would blow up and everyone with a brain would be playing here again, like it was years ago instead of these other shit servers stealing players that don’t want to swipe next to anything.

Like Moe said though, if you can’t afford it, don’t play. Just remember, if you pop 1 boost a day on other Medivia servers, it will run you 550 mc to play minimum monthly.

[tranquil niche]

I think the expectations towards this server will meet the reality after first month where most of people will just quit it due to it being expensive and very hard, Im just pointing out that if you would take statistical data and see how many actual unique active players you have per server it will come down to the point that its really not that many, most online is usually makers. Now divide that player number per country and avg earning/spend per country and you will see that where for one 250 mc is not much for other that might be quite a big number.

There is also difference in paying for something that gives me some benefit over other/decoration versus basic price to even play the game(lmao free account gameplay in tibia)

Im propably not going to play this server, because I for one dont get hard on the idea of manually using runes, but I root for success of medivia and hope it will work out and wont end up merging with some other low rate server

Saying dont play doesnt stop me from sharing my opinion though, as a new Medivia player I absolutely love it and think this is how tibia should turn out to be on long term but I just think that pricing to even play is going to be more of a short term decline player reason rather than a good exclusive way to get players

[plush adder]

So for your first point I bring up again that just about every single person I know in this game, on any server, is utilizing at least 1 boost per day. This is not taking into account the aquariums and roes they are also using, nor skill boosts and training stations. Another words, everybody I know is actually burning through more than the number I mention here in 550 mc per month.

That number is based off of 1 exp boost only a day (15mc * 30) + 100 mc monthly cost for a premium, which brings you to 550 mc. This server is actually less than half as expensive as this when you actually look at the numbers. People just think “oh it’s only 15 mc boost per day” and don’t realize this unfortunately.

I truly do not understand why you are so intrigued to come here time and time again, dropping novels, just to say that you aren’t going to play here. If you enjoy the full pay to win servers, keep playing them. So many others are also, I really don’t get why you feel like you have to come say all this shit here. Don’t play and move on. Shits weird.

[tranquil niche]

as I mention, I propably wont be playing but till this server is out there is still quite some time to change my mind, again - I want best for medivia so success of this server plays a big role in my idea, lets see how this pans out but I think that there should be more decoration options in store next to normal premium price - thats my idea

[plush adder]

I think having more custom house sprite options could be some extra revenue, for sure. He could make more outfits as well, affordable ones, not ones that cost a shit ton of real money. He responds often that outfits don’t bring in revenue but I do think it’s because of how pricey they are. There should be outfits that cost 100 mc for example. Definitely agree 👍🏻

[floral pebble]

Release date?

[soft pelican]

6th of December.
That is the date they will announce the server date release, which will be at January, 10th.
||And that's my guess||

[plush adder]

At this point you’re probably right and I will just laugh

[final kindle]

Its true, i burn at least 6k mc a month, I almost everyday boost 3x only that is like 3k+ mc/month. Im not even counting my skill boosts, dummys/day and roes. Not to mention my TP scrolls haha!

I think who ever really enjoys playing a game what ever it is, have no issues to pay what ever the cost is if its worth it for them. 250MC might sound high, but its actually not that much.

[normal urchin]

@plush adder I have to disagree with the one boost a day costing 550 mc a month with premium, you did not factor in the 4 free boosts you would receive during that month which would bring the total cost down to 490 mc. Thank you

[steel kindle]

Those are the days you do double boost

[normal urchin]

The calculation was derived from
Only one boost a day.

[final kindle]

aha, the boss is writing.. maybe announcement?

[verbal moss]

Actually compared to any other OTS (as some like us to compare against) we have many less makers due to it being less useful here in the long term. So your assumption is simply wrong. I think some of you got used too much to OTSes with faked 3000 online and 300 active players out of them. Please, do not drag us along with this faked online fiesta. Right now I can definitely say that with 1090 currently online we have at least 75% proven to be unique (830). The rest share some connection which makes them more difficult to distinguish using simple methods (e.g. same IP address, same mac address, etc.), but it doesn't mean out of 30% left there are no one unique left, in fact, a lot of people play with proxies which makes it difficult to distinguish. So again, please, don't say something you have no idea about because it's quite insulting at this point.

Regarding premium price - that's exactly what our other worlds are for, if you feel the premium is too expensive then you are free to play our other worlds. It's a matter of choosing what is right for you at this point based on given choice. At this point we give up something for something else hoping that it will at least cover loss of revenue in some percent. We are not a charity at this point. Also, regarding outfits - as I have said many times in the past, decorations are only useful to really small part of our community, regardless of how priced they are.

Regarding launch date - it certainly won't be on 6th December and I already said that in my previous message, but some apparently can't grasp it. I will not be available that weekend.

@normal urchin Perhaps you can share what's so funny about what I said.

[vale fox]

Probably about the date that brian is begging to it be released and it wont be that date

[nocturne parcel]

20th

[verbal moss]

I do aim for between that weekend (6th of December) and 15th of December.

[vale fox]

so 13th?

[normal urchin]

That some people can’t grasp that it won’t be December 6th sir!

[drowsy surge]

Ooooooo somebody's in trouble

[tribal sierra]

Make that 831 :salute: ; that is very solid number considering removal of pidgeon mage, same ips, macs, proxies etc. Even when I was most active, I rarely ever had a 2nd char (maker) online nor the friends I knew, as the benefit is not worth bothering with for most players with the current game design. Which is great, because feeling forced to have a maker to sustain fun gameplay is annoying af.

And hey ... don't sweat the comparisons to shit OTs ... if anyone is being serious then it's obvious that literal every OT online is a shit OT and Medivia is in it's own category. Bunch of degenerates. :muted:

[drowsy surge]

Although outfits and decorations are sold to a small portion of the community, I think a true QOL item is the dummy scroll which a lot will be using. This is going to be a low rate server and there will be A LOT of knights and paladins. Nobody will want to train on crystal bugs even if you raise the cost of the dummy scroll. Good way to balance out your revenue loss without turning potential new or return players off with the raised price to just login to the game.

[verbal moss]

Always remember Osaris depot from 2020 as a reminder of when Medivia was still driven by runemakers like all 7.4 based OTSes rely on at the moment (due to how 7.4 was meant to be).

I just found some old photo of it from Discord:

[verbal moss]

It's difficult to foresee at this point. If something turns out to be a good source of revenue then we can tune the premium down a bit after a while. I cannot foresee this because we don't know how people will adapt.

However, premium price is also there so the new world doesn't draw in players from existing worlds. It serves both purposes, to hopefully cover the loss in revenue due to store changes and to draw players who are truly willing to spend time on it (so to speak - they will take it seriously).

[astral obsidian]

I think it would be worth to postpone release after market is done to get 10 extra long-term players rather than fulfil expectations of 10 current players who always cry for new server and quit it after they are bored / lose war / cannot profit in real life playing it any more. Actually as it won't be p2w and low rates most of guys spamming for as quick realise as possible will be bored in 1 or 2 weeks.
I mean I can almost guarantee that 95% people who cry to start it asap won't play there for long, they will cry for new server in 2-3 months 😆
I mean it's up to you and I don't have any personal preferences but this time I think it would be better to wait a bit.

[verbal moss]

I mean I can almost guarantee that 95% people who cry to start it asap won't play there for long, they will cry for new server in 2-3 months

People love rat races, so in general I do agree with it. I wouldn't be surprised as well, but if there are people left willing to play on it and keep it up then I see no issues.

[drowsy surge]

Everything in business is difficult to foresee BUT you can make a very well educated guess based on the activity of other servers. These are the people you are trying to capture (slaughter your competition) right? Charging them much more to just log in to explore your game doesn't seem like the best way to do that.

[astral obsidian]

It should be pretty successful anyway, just another fb / instagram (those work for sure) ad campaign after market is done would be needed. Anyway any ongoing ad campaign for new server? 👀

[tranquil niche]

I did base my number on my assumptions and seeing trade chat/active people around on the server I play, so of course it can not be nowhere to accurate - its comforting you pointing the numbers.

About premium, ultimately this is you pointing your business model and if you think this makes sense then it is what is, Im just giving my 2 cents

[verbal moss]

Despite everything free account does give here a lot of possibilities, much more than Tibia or some OTS. I think just recently Tibia decided to follow and they allowed free accounts to travel via ships and similar stuff we did years ago.

Revenue from premium is needed in terms of development. If I go back to years ago when Medivia was without a story we wouldn't be able to have what we have now, including all hired developers. So to fix the lack of store we need to compensate with the premium price, that's the least we can do for this world.

[stiff apex]

I would appreciate if you don't create numbers out of speculations. The whole point of making this server is because "trust me bro" is not a good source of information

But I do agree that waiting for market would be a good idea

[drowsy surge]

Yeah look that's your ideology and I just disagree with it. You guys tend to be a little out of touch with the community other than the little box that exists of Medivia or nothing players. I just won't be surprised if the server doesn't do as well because of this and then the thought will be "people don't like this kind of slow paced game" but that's not really how it is.

I'll give you some examples of the out of touch stuff im talking about :

You guys refused to release another strife server saying the last one was not successful so people don't want to play those servers. The reality is you launched it 1 week into the biggest war Medivia has ever seen (Pendulum war).

Odyssey was a flop and you proceeded to launch high rate hotkey servers back to back to back assuming people don't like low rates BUT the main problem was all the ridiculous rules you guys threw into it like : soulbound runes until level 50, 5x rune prices for MC, etc.

You've added some nice features for free account sure but even capturing some of those people who want to make runes to just sell etc is important to because not all of those people strictly play to make runes and sell them. They do both. It contributes to the economy of the server with active trade chat etc. These things are important in attracting other players who will play and spend a ton of money with you.

[wide sedge]

When the new GM joined we saw dozens if not hundreds of low levels being banned daily, it's as if the madragor wasn't working, if it weren't for him, perhaps the game would still have this huge amount of chars spread across all depots. 👀

[verbal moss]

You seem to forget that I do actually have experience from the past of how the game was functioning without store. I know exactly what I can expect from it, on the other hand you have your assumptions. You somehow assume this time it will be different, this time people will spend "ton of money", but they won't, simply because I've been there to know that.

The only potential benefit would be if those players moved to old worlds, but they won't and it's not worth risking the game main source of revenue for some wishful thinking. Again, we are not charity, this won't work. If player has an option not to spend money he will definitely not spend it and there is no need to twist basic logic that somehow he will (again, experience from the past).

[drowsy surge]

So what I'm understanding is that you're making so much more money from just runes, aol, and bless in the store (runes are a newer concept) that you're just not willing to take a risk to potentially grow your game back to where it was? There can't be more players on Medivia today than there were 5+ years ago right?

[nocturne parcel]

I spent lik 8k mc on mystery boxes on Odyssey. It was a far bigger spender for me than runes. Then again im a bit of a fucking idiot

[verbal moss]

Where it was? The game was never better than it is now. I spend so much time here talking about how 7.4 and old Medivia/Tibianic is/was driven by runemakers that I thought it's already crystal clear that old numbers were inflated by artificial numbers. Just like those OTS'es with 3000 online.

Of course it is better than it was 5 years ago. I would never be able to afford the dev team I have now if I move back 5 years ago and further away. The game would be dead by now.

[digital plaza]

if you have few guests in the restaurant do you count how many regular customers you have and charge them these costs so that you make a profit or do you try to make things different 😄

[heavy furnace]

@drowsy surge Yo fam, I got you. you hooked me up once on I think pendulum when I got back from vacay. I got your first 250 mc !

Iryont, can you make it so PACC players can move cities from launch since eschen will be super crowded. Give us like 3 boat vouchers

[astral obsidian]

I saw few times new people complaining (mostly in-game chat) about lack of market and quitting as soon as they noticed it. Probably they would quit anyway, but I assume few really didn't carry on playing only because of it.
On the other hand you have exactly the same players asking for new server again and again, promising to invite their 20+ war-team friends who are willing to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars and finally not even playing at all or quitting after a while.
Those crackheads craving for new server which is literally their drug at least once per month are perfect example of "trust me bro" you mentioned.

[drifting sparrow]

@heavy furnace i like you

[drowsy surge]

It just doesn't make sense to me, sorry. I know A LOT of people who played this game at one point. A handful don't anymore. I don't really know any new players though. Only people that say "Medivia got way too crazy man, screw that" But yeah idk I'm pretty sure the majority of people playing on Tibiantis or Miracle or Dura have all played Medivia back in the day but aren't playing anymore for certain reasons. Just not sure where you make up for those numbers of players. Who in the world is looking for a 2D MMO to play for the first time? Numbers just don't add up.

I know you mention inflated numbers with rune makers and stuff but the reality is you can load up as many damn clients as you want on any computer without any VM, AND you can load bots. There are still people mcing and botting on Medivia too so even your low numbers are inflated as well and your still being outperformed by some of these other servers. Like I said before, you guys are just a bit out of touch. Always have been.

[tranquil niche]

You guys say all you want about all that boxes, runes from the store or outfits - I recently bough new enhanted mining/skinning pouch and I could never look back.

[sweet pumice]

but iryont is referring to revenue numbers and not player counts, I reckon. I dont think he is making that part up. Average medivia player is spending a lot more than it used to

[heavy furnace]

I can speak from experience and iv'e seen it happen to others. In game interference at the begininng of a server isn't good. People are going to want to pk etc and that is part of the game. Banning these people doesn't set a good tone for the server. Its fucking early on. People will make new chars and come back because it will have a strong base. Pking/Luring/stealing all goes into making a good fun server. The cams are priceless and its enticing to people looking in.

I'm casting my vote for @drowsy surge to be Iryonts campaign manager.

[cyan gale]

@verbal moss I got a hot take for you, apologize for the tag but hear me out. Normally there is a rush for houses right of the launch, some people will rush the most sought after houses and then sell them off for massive prices. How about you let us choose the starting city BUT you have houses on actionhouse just like you do now for gold rented houses, but instead its for medivia coins. I bet you will make a buck or thousands extra if you have a system like this in place.

[verbal moss]

Both actually, it's similar to Tibia history. Most will say that golden days of Tibia were almost 20 years ago when they hit overall maximum (even with makers), but the truth is a bit different. It's not black or white, the state of the game is different for everyone. However, for developers, owners, investors it's a huge milestone nowadays. For some die harders it died long time ago. So who is right about it? It purely depends on where you stand now.

Also, people tend to forget that those "golden days" always last for a limited period of time. You can't be frozen in time all the time and expect to live the same as you did when you were a kid.

[verbal moss]

Interesting proposals. I will think about it.

[heavy furnace]

it makes sense, its a very good one.

[drowsy surge]

See there ya go. Another great way to combat your revenue loss without charging more to login to the game. It's like a mastermind in here. Take notes.

[verbal moss]

The premium price will stay as it is 🙂

Don't you worry about it.

[lapis stratus]

In fact a great proposal to bid on this server for all mc houses

[heavy furnace]

@verbal moss what do you think about boat vouchers or spawning in different cities? Leaving that temple is rataaaaaaaaarded

[drowsy surge]

Should add a small little hat to cover that patch of hair in your avatar

[digital plaza]

maybe figure out how to outdo all the players and take advantage of the fact that you are smarterrrr, for me it is a big part of the start of the new server

[heavy furnace]

Making 8 paladins to relog and sell spears to pass to your alt character is not smarter. it's down right retarded. After i showed everyone 3? 4? servers ago it's not anything new. What is a big part of new server? being trapped in for the first 15 minutes?

If spawning in eschen is such a Big deal. Maybe we can make a NPC to teleport you to different places. The Npc is on the stack where you login and it can send you to east gate, south gate, depot, mana shop, boat.

ANYTHING to get out of that fucking mess of a temple

[drowsy surge]

Just make Novus mandatory for everybody.

Regardless, get your shekels ready Goyim...the time is near.

[digital plaza]

it's your way of leaving the city, a bit stupid and ineffective

[rigid sphinx]

Revenue is obviously going to be more than it was 10 years ago, most people now playing medivia are almost 30+ years old and can actually afford to spend extra money. Doesnt mean they should have to spend more money to login now vs 10 years ago when ppl were broke college kids

[tribal sierra]

sometimes he does

[drowsy surge]

Just an absolute disgrace to the American flag tbh.

[verbal moss]

Why? I love it, kind of shows my redneck nature.

[drowsy surge]

His neck is red and his hat is small. Hey Iryont was madragors name Konrad too?

[digital plaza]

bro is doing osint stuff xD

[drowsy surge]

If Iryont was from America he would sound like this...

[digital plaza]

if it is a server that is based on completely different principles from others, is there any assurance that it will not be merged with p2w worlds or with different rates? the answer is crucial to me @verbal moss

[floral pebble]

Oh my God! Then please decide so I can take a vacation from my wife.

[gentle palm]

12.12. Make it a pretty number

[heavy furnace]

December 8th. Launch it on my bday and gimmie 1 year free prem. Kkkkkkk thx

[normal urchin]

12/16!

[plush adder]

Time changes a lot of things, specifically in this conversation how to spend real money on things in the game. During the golden days of Tibia, it was very difficult to spend real money. You had to convince your parents to type their credit cards into the website, located in Germany, from America in my case, when buying things online just came out. It was no easy pitch to deliver, as much so that my parents refused and I had to physically mail my premium time into Germany in the mail, which took about 10 days for them to receive and activate.

Compare 5 years ago as you say to now. Today, you have medivia coins that you can trade with people for numerous things, aka pay to win. Back then, you only had premium roses which were only for premium time. At the launch of Spectrum people buying backpacks of roses and selling them as the "pay to win", before the Venezuelan black market appeared.

We all know that Medivia has simply best client to play, it's even better than real Tibia's client is. That's something you guys should be proud of. With that being said, you have to realize that your gaming audience is not 13, 14, and 15 year old kids anymore. It's as @drowsy surge stated and mostly old school Tibia players that moved on. Lets be real, kids today that are playing new games are not going to be astonished and hyped to see a 2D video game for $20 a month.

When this game engine was released, it was before online play was a thing. It was consoles or this, and if you chose this, you sacrificed SOME graphics for the online ability. I find it extremely hard to believe if you truly had an accurate poll that any majority of the players in this game were young or new gamers, and a lot of old-school Tibia players just don't want to spend money playing.

With that being said, I will, and I am sure others will, but to pretend that if you lowered your premium for this world to a normal price would not attract a larger audience is pretty naïve in my opinion.

[verbal moss]

It certainly would attract larger audience, but since this feedback was created I admitted I do not want that. I mentioned that if I would do that there would be a small possibility of this world consuming our other worlds and I am never going to risk that. Everything was explained in this very feedback. It is not going to change, so let’s not waste time on it. Time to focus on the launch now.

[plush adder]

Safe to say it's on a Friday like every other server.. December 13th? Or take my original suggestion for Black Friday the 29th? Haha

[lapis stratus]

Friday 13 🚫 bad luck gg

[plush adder]

If my memory serves me right, Spectrum was released 12/20. I guess that's an option, or push to January otherwise.

[steel kindle]

You should make some kind of big advertising for this server... Pay some people MC or something to stream it (under tibia category) if its possible.. OT forum has a forum? Post there... Facebook ads, snapchat?

[normal urchin]

Only fans

[zinc zodiac]

late to the party,read a couple messages...premium will be 250 mc per month and 1 day log in will count as 3 days premiuim time??? correct me if im wrong

[tribal sierra]

MMGA

[plush adder]

You literally bought your character so what are you talking about? Also how much money you putting on it?

I do agree with the merge portion. Devs definitely burnt the bridge with saying they won’t merge servers and go back on their word too many times over, but the reality is what are the options here? I’d rather play said server proposed here than the full pay to win regardless of whatever stipulation you can present.

@zinc zodiac logging into the server should consume 2.5 premium days, not 3. I’m unsure how the .5 carries over, I’m hoping after release he sees the potential and at least lowers to 2 days as he said he can lower the premium cost after launch, but we’ll see.

[zinc zodiac]

whats the purpose of the 2.5 days acting as 1??? shouldn't it be 250-300 mc for premium per month (actual 30days worth), orrrr your premium goes much much faster like you just said above?..wouldn't one or the other be better rather then both together? a bit overkill in terms of trying to bring more and more people to play the lowrate server?

[plush adder]

So what they proposed was your account tics down premium time normally 1 day at a time with the one stipulation that if you log into this server, even for 1 second, you lose an extra 1.5 days between server save. Another words, if you log in 2 days in a row you would lose 5 premium days instead of 2. They went this route so that if someone doesn’t play on a specific day they only lose 1 premium day instead of the 2.5 if they did.

[unreal flume]

I'm just a betting man.. but my char wasn't even a char compared to what it is

[zinc zodiac]

alright i see. was hopeing for a real nice populated server and maybe it will be for a month or two but sadly i just cant see people sticking with it like that

[plush adder]

Like I said, I really want to believe that the devs discuss the potential and see how much attention this server is receiving and realize if they lower the prem and have 1k players, it’s better than less with the higher prem, but we’ll see. I know they seem at this moment adamant that the launch will be 2.5 (hopefully 2). It is kind of confusing, but when understood, makes sense.

[zinc zodiac]

yeah maybe they will after launch,i know a lot of people like lowrate servers and the player potential is out their. just need to draw them in but i think one or the other would of been sufficient enough..this current way they're thinking ,if you log in everyday you will need to be buying premium every 12 days or so, both together is possibly overkill and will do the opposite of attracting a large audience IMO

[verbal moss]

Reminder - tagging me will lead to banishment off Discord. There is no exception from this rule just because some feel the urge to do so.

[mossy pine]

Sorry then, just want to know answer. Its important for everyone I think.

[verbal moss]

I don't know what was the question.

[mossy pine]

This one. I think nobody would like to invest time and money to buy premium and figure out year later server is merging with legacy for example. Can u guarante that?

[verbal moss]

I can never guarantee you such thing because I cannot foresee the future and how active this world will be.

Anyway, the amount of wishes for this world, especially since it's a world which isn't that much beneficial to us in terms of possible revenue, is astonishing. It's not like I am launching this world because I feel it will be beneficial compared to launch of any normal world of ours. This is purely feedback based idea. Premium price is also the result of lack of most store products, so it's nothing extra in terms of our revenue. That being the case, it's not like you are paying us extra to make lifetime guarantees.