Implementing Advice

[mental sleet]

Who are you requesting?
Kinda like anyone if you think you can help me

What is your time zone?
EST

What specifically do you need help with?
So recently I asked for advice and they told me to slow down when playing and to improve my ground game. I kinda don’t exactly understand how to do either.

When are you typically available?
Usually afterschool, so like 4:30 EST - 10:30 EST

How long have you been playing the game for?
Since like last year January.

Can I VC?
Yes.

Tags: Neutral, Offense, Can VC

@plush marten @gloomy grotto @bold panther

And deity if it gets to Monday

I hope it doesn’t

[blazing rose]

Slowing down like you want to play patient you don’t always need to play at the same pace as your opponent that’s like how people are able to beat Sonic they don’t always play at his pace you play at your own and look for opening to close the gap

and ground game you just have to get better at boxing

But do remember what character you can and cannot box with

[mental sleet]

Do you want to help me implement this?

Also what is boxing

[plush marten]

I would have to play you so I can get a more specific view of what they mean I tell alot of people to slow down when fighting me but thats because you have to play slower vs Bayonetta cause witch time exist maybe it was the MU cause some MUs you kinda need to play slower just so you dont get hard punished for being over aggressive

Often times its over aggression in things like attacking out of disadvantage, attacking too much oos, overextending and attacking offstage putting yourself in disadvantage. It could be alot of things

[mental sleet]

It was vs an incin

[blazing rose]

Iike fighting for instance who do you think is winning kazuya vs ryu on the ground

[mental sleet]

When are you thinking you could coach me?

Idk

Kazuya is kazuya but ryu is ryu. I also don’t watch those characters

[bold panther]

boxing in smash is like how well they can fight up close. min min for example prefers to keep characters far away, she has some tools up close, but not as much as from afar. ROB is great at boxing because he has a mix of fast and long reaching normal attacks, like down tilt, forward tilt, jab, up tilt, etc

[mental sleet]

So I don’t think inkling is good at boxing. My moves are fast but they are stubby. Or they are “slow”

[gloomy grotto]

You could definitely play midrange with back air

[mental sleet]

But then I wouldn’t be on the ground

[gloomy grotto]

Even jab one is a nice check. If you’ve ever seen a boxing match, its the same concept here

Movement to bob and weave and bait out certain options, get some insight on your opponent and then punish accordingly

[mental sleet]

I do understand that but I need more restraint with jab I think

[gloomy grotto]

Idk how quickly you can act out of jab 1 and/or 2, but it’s something you can explore

[mental sleet]

It’s very… idk what the word is

Un commital

But that’s not a word

[gloomy grotto]

No that is

[mental sleet]

15/18 frames of end lag

[gloomy grotto]

You’re looking for laggy

Commital also works in that regard

[mental sleet]

I think for ground game I should work on implementing more… dash attack and grab I think

Cuz sometimes I be thinking

I should just do it. Because they just run up and shield.

But otherwise idk

[gloomy grotto]

you can do delayed acceleration boost grab

It's when you input grab at the end of your dash animation

does your dash attack cross up?

[mental sleet]

Yes

[plush marten]

Im free Wednesday evenings Saturday Sunday and Mondays

If you want coaching from me

[mental sleet]

Alr

See you tmr

[plush marten]

Im available the rest of the day

[mental sleet]

Hey

[mental sleet]

What’s goodie my gng

[plush marten]

Sorrt

Sorry

didnt get your ping

When will you be available

[mental sleet]

Idk atp

@plush marten I’m on rn

[plush marten]

Cooo

I can host if ur ready now

[mental sleet]

I am

[plush marten]

4YJLR

Pass is 333

[mental sleet]

Ok

[plush marten]

Okie we can play some games and ill take notes if you got questions or any comments just let me know

[mental sleet]

Yo

Am I dumb

Or is that just a natural occurrence

In several humans

Un momento

[plush marten]

Its a 5050

Unless you jump after you get hit

[mental sleet]

My momma was asking abt graduation stuff

[plush marten]

Oh happy graduation

Swapping to Bayo

[mental sleet]

Give me another moment

[plush marten]

I gotcha

[mental sleet]

Real talk

This isn’t fun to play vs Bayo

[plush marten]

I see i swapped off of her to Rosa i wanna see how you do vs a character that can keep out your grab game

[mental sleet]

Why’d he go forward

[plush marten]

Luma always moves slightly forward after a Luma shot to get more distance from Rosa in other words thats how hes positioned

[mental sleet]

Genuinely

Ok so a question

Second stock when you threw me did I use a jump

Or had a jump

I swear I didn’t use a jump and I had no jump

And I think throws reset jumps

[plush marten]

Pretty sure you jumped from ledge and try to attack back on stage and I grabbed you out of it and threw you

Not sure how you lost your jump

[mental sleet]

Me either

Next thing

[plush marten]

But I have notes for you if youd like me to type them out

[mental sleet]

Tether characters can’t just immediately snap back to ledge right

Cuz I feel like that’s why I died

[plush marten]

I don't believe so but Rosa is good vs tether grabs since Luma jab can block them from getting back Lucas is built different and is so fast its hard to hit him

[mental sleet]

One more

Before notes

[plush marten]

Alrighty
So far youre very patient player at the start when we were playing Aegis vs Inkling you used grab so so much, its good but you gotta mixup your options more in neutral, imo when you have the advantage abuse your spacing and box me out with your aerials form a safe distance (vs Rosa and Aegis) bayonetta can counter this with up b out of shield if your distance is off or you land on my shield with a move. Towards the end of our set you started to play way more aggressive and mixup your playstyle do that more when you have the advantage then swap back to your patient playstyle when youre in the neutral. Some big things I saw in your gameplay that really hurt you was your disadvantage and lack of stage control. In disadvantage for example at ledge you always did 2 of the following jumping off ledge or normal getup mixup the timing on these options because you spent so so much time at the ledge trapped by Luma cause you couldn't get out of disadvantage. Another thing was airdodging out of throws or when hit I got alot of punishes from you simply airdodging after a Rosa down throw or a Mythra down tilt, towards our last few games you started to break this habit cause I was looking for it so continue to condition yourself to not airdodge after being hit and rather jump to a nearby platform or jump to ledge and reset neutral or just fast fall and shield. Lastly stage control when you we're playing Min Min you spent so so much time at ledge you want to have as much stage as possible since you can easily get gimped with Luma so jump to platforms do whatever it takes to keep center stage and continue your pressure. You were also fishing for kills which further put you in disadvantage so take your time i was jumping a ton in the MU so wait for me to land and try to punish rather then trying to challenge me in the air that way youre keeping stage control and not risking being put further into disadvantage. (Min Min MU specifically)

To summarize, Neutral, Disadvantage were where you struggled the most imo. Your Neutral needs more mixups instead of looking for so many grabs with Inkling and overall your disadvantage habits like Airdodging out of throws an mixing up how you get off ledge hurt you the most, it would put you down a stock then you would start fishing for kills and get further and further behind (for both Inkling and Min Min)

[mental sleet]

Gimme an example of a mix up

It felt like I was gonna die now or in in two seconds the entire time

[plush marten]

For example for tomahawk grabs

More

Jumping faking like youre going to attack and then grabbing instead

Ill start to get afraid of you in the air, may start spotdodging or rolling and thats when you punish with roller

[mental sleet]

I feel like I did that and then you just did out of shield options

It wasn’t even like “I’m gonna read the tomahawk” it was just like nair

He jumps? Nair

[plush marten]

You can also box pressure my shield with bairs and jump away see how I react do I go for a grab do I try to punish oss if I try to grab go in for another bair fake it and grab me and continue your pressure etc

[plush marten]

Nair has a very huge hitbox and last a very long time so if you whiff and jump or I catch you jumping it sets me up to continue my pressure if im doing this you can spray me with your gun like you were doing from a distance or wait for me to land see how I react first do I spotdodge if so punish if not you can grab me here

If you have any questions about a particular MU just let me know

Ggs H20 if youd like to play me again or work on any of the MUs I play feel free to ping me ^^

[mental sleet]

I will Saturday

[plush marten]

Sounds lovely then ill see you Saturday

[mental sleet]

Or maybe Sunday

[plush marten]

Sunday!!!!

[mental sleet]

But to be completely honest mate I’m not really satisfied with this session. I just did so terribly all around and I don’t think after aegis I felt like playing.

[plush marten]

Ohhh then tell me that next time friend i dont wanna continue if you dont feel motivated confidence is key!!!!!!

[mental sleet]

The only reason I swapped was bc I didn’t feel like I was gonna win

[plush marten]

You didnt do terribly some of the games were close you just made one mistake that cost you those games

[mental sleet]

At some point on inkling I genuinely was just thinking that I should just run at you bc it wouldnt make a difference

And a problem that I don’t think is a problem is like I don’t dash dance

[plush marten]

Sorry you weren't satisfied friend I tried to provide as much information as I could give next time I think ill provide information after every other game that'll probably help lore then providing everything at the end

[plush marten]

Dash dancing is a great way of forcing an approach i do it with Mythra its not a problem but it does help

[mental sleet]

It’s not a you thing

[mental sleet]

But then you just overshoot

Or I’m forced into a corner

Where you overshoot better

I tried it vs your Rosa and then that happened and I didn’t try it again bc it usually doesn’t work out

[plush marten]

When I Dash dance with Mythra I usually Dash in f tilt the shield then Dash back f tilt again and if they hold shield the third time I grab. Dash dancing for me is a way to see how my opponent reacts so I cam see where my openings are if I overshoot and get punished I know I need to find another way too approach

[mental sleet]

Ok last thing ima complain abt. I just need a list of things I can do that qualifies as a mix up. I genuinely don’t know

[plush marten]

Tomahawk grabs, boxing, camping, playing aggressive, Playing keep out, bait and punish. Mixing up what you do in disadvantage so you can gain the advantage. Mixups can be alot of things it depends on the situation and how experienced you are and fore seeing what is coming before it happens if you guess right good if not look at what they did and always assume thats going to be there option until they start changing what they do

Again I think you played fine you probably just need more experience in these MUs so you can figure out what to do in certain situations in the MU

[mental sleet]

@plush marten so when are you available again?

[plush marten]

Most of today just let me know a time

[mental sleet]

How does in 4 look?

[plush marten]

At 4??

[mental sleet]

Yes idk why I said that

[plush marten]

Cooo

[mental sleet]

Lowk dawg

I just lost for an hour straight in another game

I’m mad demoralized rn

[plush marten]

All good

[mental sleet]

Ok I feel good today @plush marten

Are you still available

[plush marten]

Ill let you knkw

Now

Know

[mental sleet]

ok

[plush marten]

Out if the house so wont be back home till like 1ish

[plush marten]

@mental sleet I'll be available the rest of the day whenever youre free

[mental sleet]

Ok

I’ll hop on at 3:30

I have a bracket at 5:30

Between 4:30 and that time I’ll be learning to implement what youve taught me

[plush marten]

Cooo

[mental sleet]

Also I think I want to vc this time

I think it will help me focus up

[plush marten]

Unfortunately I cant VC apologies still in the process of getting a headset since mine is so bad

Sorry about that

[mental sleet]

It’s Alr

Ok I’m getting on now

Should I make?

[plush marten]

Yes please oh my god for some reason my power went out for like 20 minutes but im back and rolling

[mental sleet]

45756/17

@plush marten

[plush marten]

Omw

[mental sleet]

killing myself was bad

that was good

i think i got 0-deathed the first stock

oh my god bro

i had so many misinputs near the end

can i get what you have rn?

in terms of notes & such

[plush marten]

Advantage- Mostly consists of grabs, likes to roller off of ledge does a good job of using splatterbomb to cover abk.
Disadvantage- Holds the ledge and either jumps or getup attacks or normal getup mix of these 3 options, always recovers low, when hit with
Bayo down tilt airdodges from time to time.
Neutral- Plays very slowly doesn't really get witch timed more so looking for punishes and grabs, implementing dash dancing into gameplay to get grabs

[mental sleet]

ok

[mental sleet]

i can do one more

I won like one game

Ty for playing w me today

[plush marten]

Ggs^^
Overall you played the Bayonetta MU way better with Inkling keep doing what youre doing with Inkling vs Bayonetta you did well there, however vs Aegis is where the big problems began I noticed in our Bayo games that you utilize grab way too much so playing a character that can keep you from grabbing really messed up your neutral and advantage state, if you notice that im dairing alot with Pyra remember that you can grab me there when I land on your shield, when I'm Aegis you gotta take advantage of when im offstage as much as you can ledgetrapping is good but you gotta offstage and try to challenge more so you can try to gimp a stock. Another thing if I'm Pyra you dont gotta approach but make sure you hold onto center stage so you aren't caught without stage control. You were jumping and using bair alot but if its not working fake jump, dash in then dash out and see how I react you gotta pay close attention and have a punish ready based off what I do. Or fake jump dash in and grab. I landed so many tomahawk grabs with Pyra in Neutral cause I jumped then dashed into to grab you. Lastly your disadvantage again there was like 2 major parts that needed the most work and thats you always recover low and your options when you got off ledge, you did 3 things you either getup attacked, or normal getup, used roller. For example usually you normal getup but if that gets punished you getup attack, and you usually mixed between these two options back and forth, occasionally using roller which was rare. So it was easy to keep you in disadvantage its okay to use these options but mixup the timings on these options hold the ledge a little longer then choose, jump off the ledge, roll in, or choose the same option just different timing cause you spent so so much time at the ledge

[plush marten]

No problem

[mental sleet]

Sunday

I went on a crazy losers run

[plush marten]

[mental sleet]

I got like… 1st in a silver bracket

Which is 17th overall

I think

Idk

And I beat the guy who beat me to get into grands

[plush marten]

Perood

Period

Improvements are Improvements