@pine valve what is your availability today
#Any Ness/Lucas coaches?
peak cypress
pine valve
4:30 PM EST is fine for me
peak cypress
Okay
pine valve
its time
peak cypress
I'll be ready at 4:40
pine valve
okay
peak cypress
I'm recovering from being sick so not today
pine valve
oh ok
peak cypress
But Lucas plays a pretty different game from Ness
His strengths comes from strong ground game and normals, held back by weak air to air ability
The most important fundamental skill to have with Lucas is knowing how to short hop and knowing how to short hop fast fall
You want to stay close to the ground in neutral as much as possible
pine valve
I’ll be in the arena in a moment
peak cypress
Like I said, grounded character
Use your aerials as you're falling and you mainly want to use fair
pine valve
I’m not really that used to Lucas that much
peak cypress
That is your main way to poke
pine valve
so i play him like any other character
peak cypress
That doesn't work for Lucas
Like I said to start, Lucas and Ness are very different
And the way they want to play is very different
Ness wants to control the air, Lucas wants to control the ground
pine valve
ok then
peak cypress
You understand?
pine valve
yeah, i understand. But I’m not very used to the ground. What’s a quick way to adapt
peak cypress
You just have to invest time into the character
Get used to how they move, get used to their moves
Understand what moves are good and why they are good
peak cypress
Like I said, short hop is your best friend
I didn't see any of them so start by learning that
pine valve
alr
peak cypress
Notice on the first stock
You double jumped and it immediately cost you the stock
Because you couldn't land again
Lucas can't be doing that
He can't land
pine valve
ok that makes sense
peak cypress
How much competitive experience do you have
I noticed you weren't di'ing anything properly
pine valve
How much competitive experience do you have
I’ve been playing in brackets consistently since June 2024-August 2024
but then I don’t really join much. I do, but not many anymore
peak cypress
Do you understand concepts like DI
peak cypress
Then DI out on dthrow
I should never get a combo off of dthrow beyond 10%
DI is not just surviving kills
It's also for escaping combos
pine valve
DI’ing out means DI’ing in which direction
peak cypress
Away from me
peak cypress
If I'm to your left then yes
It changes based on what direction I'm facing
So that's why we say out
Because you hold away from me
pine valve
ok I understand
pine valve
You gotta stop attacking out of hitstun
that’s a bad habit i have no matter the character
peak cypress
Yeah I'm saying to stop it
You gotta pay attention to stuff like
When you get hit
You need to be thinking about why it's happening
Or players how understand habit recognition will just punish you for it
That's how I got that up smash because I knew you were gonna try to dair out of hitstun
Am I understood
pine valve
yeah
peak cypress
Okay then say that instead of sitting here
pine valve
I’m just writing this stuff down so I try and remember
peak cypress
Okay
pine valve
alr im ready
peak cypress
Decent mixups at ledge, you take your time which is better than most
pine valve
is dsmash good at ledge?
pine valve
what’s the one that you use?
pine valve
seems to work out better
peak cypress
You know how to angle tilts
pine valve
no
peak cypress
You can hold the stick diagonally down or up and hit a
Or if you're using tilt stick you hit the right stick in the diagonal forward direction
Practice it this next match
pine valve
i’ll try it in the first couple seconds
peak cypress
Up is a little harder but they're both consistent inputs
Ftilt up is really good for anti airing
Down for 2 frames
See
Consistent
pine valve
i see
pine valve
that means jumping over the ledge?
peak cypress
It's a losing fight everytime
Yes
When you're recovering or trying to land
Just go to ledge
pine valve
alright
pine valve
alright
peak cypress
Pay attention when you get hit
pine valve
understood
peak cypress
I have nothing new to note your habits are the same
pine valve
I’m trying my best
peak cypress
How come you don't use the tether to recover
pine valve
I’m just used to using Up B to coming back to stage
but idk what situations tether would be useful in
peak cypress
Well your tether is your best recovery option
Always use it if you can
It has has really good range
pine valve
alright
peak cypress
It's a point where I'm killing you for these very basic habits you consistently do
Skipping ledge, attacking out of hitstun
Help me help you\
peak cypress
Well obviously there is a disconnect
We're going on game 9
Most sets have 3 games at most
So the adaption needs to be faster than that
That's why I'm asking
What do you feel you're missing about these interactions
pine valve
when you say interactions, what do you mean
peak cypress
It literally means interactions
When we interact with each other
I hit you, you hit me, I try to hit you, you try to hit me
What I'm saying is
When you get hit, what is going through your mind
I want you to actually think about that
pine valve
when i get hit, i either try to escape their next move or counteract by throwing out another move
mostly the 2nd one i do more
peak cypress
Here's the problem with that
I'm gonna explain under the presumption you don't understand frame data
All of Lucas' aerials
Are too slow for you to counterattack
pine valve
I'm gonna explain under the presumption you don't understand frame data
yes, you are correct there
peak cypress
You don't have anything that's fast enough where if you get hit, you can swing at me to stop me
So it's not a viable option for him
He just can't do it
That's why it just gets you hit again
You need to choose a more defensive option
You can air dodge if you think I will swing again, or you can try to double jump to get away from me
pine valve
You need to choose a more defensive option
im more of an offense person
peak cypress
In these situations what you need to be thinking about is how to I get back on the ground
Well if you got hit
You've lost that privilege
You cannot play like that from a disadvantageous position it just gets you hit again
You need to earn the right to play like that again
That means
Getting back onto stage safe and sound
Earn the right, brute forcing your way through will just make it worse
And you have to spend even more time not being allowed to play
pine valve
alright
peak cypress
You literally did down air every single time I hit you that last stock
I got time for one more
Save a replay of this one
Actually
I'll make this easy one second
Should have done this a while ago
Okay
This game is being recorded
Make it count
pine valve
This game is being recorded
where will it be posted?
peak cypress
We'll review it later when I have some time
pine valve
ok
pine valve
Or I can dm it
that works
pine valve
ok
peak cypress
Alr ggs
pine valve
Ggs
peak cypress
Very difficult to fight when you're cornered like that
pine valve
sorry if i played like dog, haven’t really gotten the chance to play much
peak cypress
Gotta focus on just escaping that situation
Well you have almost no competitive background
So the foundation isn't there
You know how to play the game
But what we need is how to think about the game
Scrub those habits, I'll get the vod up later
We can review it
pine valve
ok
pine valve
afternoon, you got the vod so we can review?
peak cypress
Compressing it and if that doesn't work then I'll have to upload to yt
pine valve
ok