#New player wanting to learn basics/some tips

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slim topaz
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Who are you requesting?
Anyone is okay, I just want to learn the basics mostly. If anything I've been liking Ryu and Lucina since i started playing so maybe someone who plays them but it's not necessary

What is your time zone?
BST

What specifically do you need help with?
All the basics, point out my mistakes, how to space and respond to stuff like grabbing/shielding/jumps/dodges/legde guarding etc.

When are you typically available?
Whenever you dm or @ me

How long have you been playing the game for?
A few days

Can I VC? (optional)
I can indeed, i'd prefer vc if possible.

eager wave
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@slim topaz lucky day cuz i can help you with Ryu or lucina whichever you want

slim topaz
eager wave
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What time is it for you right now?

slim topaz
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12:37pm

eager wave
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Oh so you are 5 hours ahead of me

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I get home like at 4 my time which will be 9 for you is that cool?

slim topaz
eager wave
slim topaz
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slim topaz
# eager wave Nice <:perfect:230180675901194242>

i'll probably be practicing lucina because ryu seems a bit difficult with his movement, and coming from MK and streetfigher movement is the big thing i struggle with, I fall off a lot with ryu haha

eager wave
slim topaz
eager wave
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Yeah his recovery difficult depending how you wanna get back to ledge

slim topaz
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@eager wave Hey i might actually be free tonight, is okay if i let you know around 8:30 pm my time? So 3:30 your time

eager wave
eager wave
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@slim topaz so anything?

slim topaz
eager wave
eager wave
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@slim topaz you good to play?

slim topaz
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you're free right now ?

eager wave
slim topaz
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take your time, i'll see if i can get a few matches in before you're here

eager wave
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@slim topaz hopping on but can’t vc rn

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DT538/14

slim topaz
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I communicate much better in vc but thats okay

eager wave
slim topaz
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thats okay i understand

eager wave
slim topaz
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okay first things first

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my net might be laggy, if it is i'll swap to a stable connection. Sometimes its fine sometimes its not

eager wave
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Who would you like to work on

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Ah Ryu

slim topaz
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So i was told to play ken instead of ryu

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because he's easier

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but i like ryu a bit more

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So yeah, the thing i struggle most with, is recovery

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and also like getting damage off ?

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Also if possible i'd like you to point out my mistakes, because i'm not exactly sure what i'm doing wrong you know..

eager wave
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So use hadouken to space out your opponent and rush in after wards

slim topaz
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Yeah, that makes sense

eager wave
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Don’t use so much shoryuken because once you do it’s each to punish you from all places, neutral doesn’t invoke raw shoryuken unless you do a kill confirm with it

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Qc back is really good for damage after down tilt

slim topaz
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Okay so use the neutral special a bit more than the input string ?

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Sorry im a bit new to all the terms

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what's Qc?

eager wave
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Quarter circle

slim topaz
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ahh

eager wave
slim topaz
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someone taught me the neutral air into down tilt into shoryuken

eager wave
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Only input strings if you find a good opening to perform tho inputs

slim topaz
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yeahh

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i try to use them a bit too much

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can you show how you would recover from off stage as ryu ?

eager wave
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You did fine with it but just use it a little less

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Well two ways ofc, if you just under just up b but far away from stage you can side b to bring yourself closer, always save your second jump in case

slim topaz
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uhh

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misinput

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haha

eager wave
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That was a little better

slim topaz
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yeah, i think i need a bit of practice to get used to the range and spacing of my neutrals, especially the downtilt

eager wave
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But again don’t use shoryuken for catching jumps, I can easily air dodge then punish from there

slim topaz
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Okay

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What would you recommend for air catching ? or should i just not bother

eager wave
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Yeah you need to get some inputs down

slim topaz
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I've seen you use the fireball mid air too

eager wave
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Hadouken high while you stay low, keeps them from jumping

eager wave
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Gives me a good options to punish in different ways

slim topaz
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ah so you jump, cast hadouken while slightly above their head and use that momentum to run in and pressure

eager wave
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Yes

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It’s like villager doing that

slim topaz
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right, after landing the counter for stun, what are my options ?

eager wave
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Use down b to absorb hadouken, down b is good for movements too

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You did better too

slim topaz
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thank you

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yeah i feel a little better too

eager wave
slim topaz
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oh okay

eager wave
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Or close range jab shoryuken

slim topaz
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okay sounds good

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the down b

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it turns automatically ?

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because i faced you off ledge and hit you behind me

eager wave
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No

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You control where you want it to hit

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That was better

slim topaz
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yeah that felt good

eager wave
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See you used hadouken perfectly in neutral and inputs was perfect

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But remember you need to try to stop doing raw shoryuken, those the one that gets you punished the most

slim topaz
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is that the up b?

eager wave
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Also try not to go corner to corner on stage, puts you in disadvantage a lot

eager wave
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Yup*

slim topaz
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you want me to do the input the command for shoryuken instead ?

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it doesn't leave you open as much

eager wave
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Yeah more stronger and helps you not rely on up b in combos

slim topaz
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i'm gonna have to get that shorykuen down a bit

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not used to the input

eager wave
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As you saw when I edge guard you, I used hadouken which is good

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Good for pushing opponents away from stage

slim topaz
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yeah i figured the hadouken is good at ledge guarding because its slow and puts pressure on too

eager wave
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Yeah you’re doing good

slim topaz
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i also need to focus on not getting grabbed too much

eager wave
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First two stocks you struggled alot but then pulled yourself in the end

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Don’t second jump after getting hit also

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That’s why I killed you easily those first two stocks

slim topaz
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aha

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im gonna switch to a better connection after this match

eager wave
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Internet that game was iffy

slim topaz
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sorry about that

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yeah

eager wave
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Yeah you good

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But you see how good that is killing with hadouken like that

slim topaz
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its because im on a pc using discord and i don't have 2 lan cables going to my room yet, so i have to unplug my pc to connect switch to lan

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gimme one second gonna connect it up

eager wave
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Use down b more to absorb my hadouken then you can punish afterwards depends on how fast you use it

slim topaz
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So the down b

eager wave
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Okay

slim topaz
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it doesn't absorb when i tried

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do you have to let it go ?

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and then it absorbs ?

eager wave
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Shinku hadouken you can’t absorb because it has multiple hits in it

slim topaz
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Ahaa

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I havent seen you use the regular hadouken much thi

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Tho*

eager wave
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Yeah cuz sometimes I expect you to use down b to absorb it

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But you never do so yeah lol

slim topaz
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Aha

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Hahaha

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Connection will be fine now

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That was rough

eager wave
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So the first stock, tell me what happened

eager wave
slim topaz
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I can’t quite remember but i think i was trying to hard to hit you with a down tilt and jumping mid air

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I was also messing up a lot of inputs

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My short term memory is terrible haha

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I also need to react better to your hadouken

eager wave
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So you keep on using your second up after I hit you with shinku hadouken and I anti air you with Ryu up air, the more I did that the easier to red that you would air dodge the next few ones I’d throw out

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You need to always mix up your movement on the ground and try drifting in the air to avoid any projectiles or up air attacks that can fatally kill you

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Or at least air dodge once you see me jumping right towards you

slim topaz
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Like drifting left and right?

eager wave
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Yep

slim topaz
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So when would i want to use my jump after getting hit?

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To get out of a combo?

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Or just not use it and save it for recovery

eager wave
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Well it depends, Ryu can’t really do up air combos much, it’s better you do save your second jump for recovery

slim topaz
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Okay

eager wave
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You can use it but don’t use it too much where it’s readable

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That’s the key

slim topaz
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Yeah

eager wave
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If one option doesn’t work first 2 times then mix it up on the third one

slim topaz
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I always try to mix up my air dodges when landing

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Like the sides

eager wave
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After this I will change characters to see how you do

slim topaz
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Okayy

eager wave
slim topaz
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Hm i felt like i did really well at the beginning

eager wave
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That was much better

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Yes you did

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So when using hadouken there is a fast and slow version of it

slim topaz
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You hold or press the button right

eager wave
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The second stock I used a slower version where I ran up behind it and tried grabbing you

eager wave
slim topaz
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I didn’t know that worked for hadouken as well

eager wave
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It’s really good

slim topaz
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Aw no

eager wave
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Once you use it more

slim topaz
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Kazuya haha

eager wave
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Lol I’m a fgc nerd

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That was good but if you see me keep jumping up get hadouken then anti air me with up air or fair

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You can also do mid air hadouken for you can pressure me on ground

slim topaz
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Whats my anti air?

eager wave
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Up air, hadouken, bair fair

slim topaz
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That was uhh

eager wave
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Lol

slim topaz
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Unlucky haha

eager wave
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Any questions

slim topaz
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Yeah

eager wave
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Ask away

slim topaz
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When i edge guarded you

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Was that a good example?

eager wave
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Yes perfect

slim topaz
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I feel a bit scummy spamming hadouken

eager wave
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That’s fine that’s you learning how to use it properly

slim topaz
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But it does feel a lot better now that i utilize it

eager wave
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Yes exactly

slim topaz
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Like when i hadouken, you block then run in and i forward smash you

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Its a good punish

eager wave
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Yes see what I mean the more you use it like that then more you’ll be in advantage the whole time

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Putting your opponent to disadvantage and stuck in the same place

slim topaz
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See thats my issue

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Falling off the stage a lot

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And not having the recovery

eager wave
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Yeah Terry more faster so can easily cancel things out like that

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Yeah you have to practice how to recover

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Remember side b is good if you are far

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That was better

slim topaz
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It feels so much better

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Playing ryu

eager wave
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So when you recover you have to angle your stick either left or right depending on the side of ledge you want to recover on

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Last one

slim topaz
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Im sure that once i get the openers and confirms down better, it will feel amazing

slim topaz
eager wave
slim topaz
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Yeah i noticed i sometimes angle away

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Final boss

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Haha ggs man

eager wave
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That was a really good game for you

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Ggs

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Good improvement

slim topaz
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Actually one thing i noticed

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The shield break elbow

eager wave
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What up

slim topaz
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I never used that before

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I think i was doing it by accident

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What is that?

eager wave
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Yeah so forgot about that, you have to do ftilt I believe and it shield breaks easily

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That’s the joy of using Ryu

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It’s a heavy hitter

slim topaz
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Forward tilt a?

eager wave
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Do you have tilt stick on?

slim topaz
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Im not sure what you mean

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The stick for using smashes?

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Right stick

eager wave
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Yeah the right stick most players switch that to tilt

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Since no one used smash for the right stick

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Tilt stick is the most used thing makes combos easy

slim topaz
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Yeah i don’t use that

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Should i use that!

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?*

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I thought tilting was using the movement stick to input a direction

eager wave
slim topaz
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How do i set that up?

eager wave
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Go back to the menu of the smash game, and on the right side you should go to control settings

slim topaz
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Ah like that

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Im using joycon dual for now

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Im saving to buy a pro

eager wave
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Yup

slim topaz
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I changed it but it still uses smash attacks on the stick

eager wave
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It depends on the name you have it as

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Or just put it to no name

slim topaz
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When i try to use the downtilt combo it keeps doing the heavy variation

eager wave
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Whatever works for you

slim topaz
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Maybe after i practice some more we can play some matches in the future and you can see how i’ve improved using your advice haha

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I’m gonna go off to play online matches and practice using your tips!

eager wave
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I’m gonna send you some videos too on Ryu in dms @slim topaz

slim topaz