#Sonic Coaching
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Jumping into an directional airdodge
So far ive used it for 3-4 games as a mixup of me just pushing
and its worked so far
prolly not optimal
@drifting anchor
okay
@drifting anchor
Matches today?
Ye gimmie 3 hours
@drifting anchor ?
Ye?
play?
Connection is much worse then last time
Jesus
you wanna host?
Lets try one more time
lmaoooo
4R2F5/12
all good
alr another
gg
gg
you gotten better
but still making those habits
like jumping into stage
and a bit too many fairs
it isnt really that safe
gotchu
if you really wanna rush in you have to use safe options
like down tilt
or autocancel uair
which is a great combo starter
uair to uair
gg
to many Up Airs again
fairs****
Yeah
but ur advantage state is better
Honestly its prolly a lack of combos
thankyou
gg
ye def work on combos
So i seen this video
N it was like a “High low” window
its like how u perform in certain games
And you gotta work on your low more than your high
ive worked on my high more than my low So one game i can do amazing and the other i can be horrible.
So i need to work on the “Low” part of my game
interesting
gg
not sure what the low means
and expeirence
yeah
gg
kill confirms still need to be touched on more
like that uair you did
am pretty sure you couldve killed me with uair spring bair
should be true
Ah
alrihht
gg
advantage state was hot right there
gg
I put my coach in a clip 😧
alr alr i got u
Finally
ama REALLY try now
and there is my death
BET
gg
went a bit too deep there
gg
remember not to jump on to stage
yeah
ye you still have those bad habits
but your improving at everything else
Question
ye
i'll lyk
ok
gg
dude you had something going
ikr 💀
but u messed up with the SD
i was sorta pressured
at the beginning
but then you started whiffing at my burst range
For somereason i thought you were going to end up in front of me
and i just got comfortable again
got it
always look at ur oppenent
i adjusted
gg
gg
u mean adapt?
yea
indeed
Same thing right?
i think so
i didnt realise you were dead
bro i was dead
😭😭
ok one more
alright
i gotta finish up hw
Alright
gg
reallly should learn more ab edge guarding
and honestly
some ledge trapping too
alright
bc i feel way to comfortable on ledge with you
you should learn how to punish me on ledge and keep me there
thats another way you can kill me
think ab it, back throw kills
nair to bair kills
f smash kills
ideally you wanna cover up my options
like if i normal get up
Grab?
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I feel more confident and comfortable in my approaches.
alright
Ye just don’t use fair too much, its sonic quickest option but it really laggy
And do more uair combos
Those definitely helped me
So abt the fair right
Ye
I realized people decided to block it and attack out
So thats where the jump airdodge thing comes to play
so it opens it up and im able to get it
right
but
Whenever you figured out those are my 2 options
You just stood there after the airdodge and waited
My Adjustment was to just Jump to give the visual que. But then i grabbed
Is that a good adaptation?
or no
or am i just guessing
well when you adapt you adjust to new conditions
So what im talkimg about would be considered a read?
So ye it was adapting
You noticed me standing still
And you adapted
Mixing up ur options
When you see a habit i do over and over again
Like normal get up for example
Its my most common habit
I F smashed one of them
Thats a read
that’s why its important to mix up ur options
happened as soon as we started talking abt it
So you remain unpredictable
What happened?
How predictable am i?
Pretty predictable
You still do the habits you do
Its a lot less tho then before
But you still do them
For the most part tho ur alot quicker
Can you name the things?
I want to be able to Mix up options 24/7 and be unpredictable
it would help with the Playstyle im trying to develop
jumping onto stage, spindashing in my burst, occasional dair, homing attack, running around, fairs, attack get up
the thing that gets you the most with me is your spindashing
As a sonic main ik how to attack it
I even score kills off of it
You tend to run and Spindash really close to me at times
And then you try to run again, to close to me and spindash again
I just dash attack, uair, or up smash it
Spindash is everything but you should keep in mind when and when not to use it
And go for a different opinion
Like if am chasing you, and am gonna dash attack, you can do a bair to stop me
Or spring out
Homing attack
Nair to me
mhm i think its because im using it for the wrong reasons in my head
Whenever i think on Spindash
Whichever you feel comfortable with
It does have invincibility frames but its a tight window
You can probably time it better if your trying to call out my dash attacks like that
O
There are multiple ways you can do it
Just find the one you feel better with
And consider the risks and rewards
I just have to lab it
Indeed
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So our match is like team matches
not 2v2 but like our points are counted off stocks
idk what its called
But im tryn 3 stock ppl

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Getting it but that uair to uair isn’t true
which one?
the first one
if so ik that
The second vid
You did uair and bair
Not true
that first uair was true tho
oh it didnt send in the order ithought it did
yeah thats the one i was talking about
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@drifting anchor
is there a reason
why every Roy player
decides to play overly aggressive?
i be having a fully charged spindash
and they continue to run to me
Then release it so it hits them
I did
im just saying in general
if im a roy
im not doing that
they took 50% and died every time
💀
That was their fault then lol
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BRO SONIX WENT CRAZY @drifting anchor
Hell yeah
Im looking at my computer screen just amazed
thats insane
oh yeah No match today its getting rescheduled since schoo got cancelled today and tommorow
Session tonight?
I want to fine tune approaches/pressure
Edge gaurding ( will make my advantage state way better )
and whatever else i need to build on
ask me again thursday
alright
@drifting anchor
Lmk what i should add
Learning aggressive neutral
then pushing advantage state for as long as possible
honestly
i dont think sonic is the right character for me
with the playstyle im tryn go for
hi rein
Skittles
Hi cosmic, sorry to interrupt just wanted to say that to skittles lol carry on
So ur giving up?
after all the effort you put into him?
Nah am fine
No not really. But yk its frustrating.
Because i want to play aggressively and really make it to where i win games through my pressure.. but im missing something,
And everytime i play the passive "Bait and punish" I lose. but whenever i apply the pressure i end up winning
at the same time Sonics moveset doesnt really allow you to do that which is what im seeing
n i really dont want to sit in a ball all day. So im trying to figure something out
Until i realize i absolutely have too n there isnt another option
You wanna learn all these things with sonic so quickly but at the end of the day it takes time and experience
You’ll find that out with every other character too
true
Sure some are easier to learn than others but it’s important to play who you want
If you wanna main someone else that’s fine
I won’t be able to coach you tho
Keep that in mind
what is sonics fastest move
Or safest move other than spindash because i know that
Jab
Can i approach with Jab?
Ik I’m jk
mhm alr
Finally figured out my characters
Sonic, Steve, Aegis
cause i can do bs with all of them
God damn what a disgusting set lmao
All s tier
Sorta
^
i have no idea what im pressing
winning by accident
Idk shit ab steve man
Looks like he got outsped tho in terms of moves coming out
and DI’ing in
Ez read
dog
i just hit the meanest
clip
like lowkey id quit the game if i was him
Sheesh that was just a smash attack
That was so weird
💀💀
@drifting anchor session.
Losing again
taking a break
ts making me mad.
the players dont even be good sonic just wanna sit here n be fucking ass 24/7
Its time to start learning the mental part of the game
Reading habits
and things like that
I lose because i get confused on what to do.
And playing with a clear mind
@drifting anchor I had a close game with the Moon Breakers owner
like a 30% difference
yeye
So
@drifting anchor I think its time to move on to the nitty gritty of everything
and i dont know what to start on first
@drifting anchor wanna play some@matches tonight?
Ye lmk
im available whenever
ive just been practicing recoveries rn
This weekend i think
i wanna focus on Edge gaurding and Neutral
also dropping the “Aggressive Playstyle”
The patient/Bait and Punish style is starting to feel more natural and lowkey more fun
Trying to figure out someone habits then abuse the fact that there doing it is fun
The execution part is what i need
going to study some Sonix gameplay before we do our session
Alr am ready
alright
ill make the arena
@drifting anchor
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hold@on
the stages
4TK5R/12
alright
Gg
Oof
Oof
No jump?
alr imma try 🫦
yeah
So
i doible jumped
One thing that I noticed
yea
You like to retreat to ledge alot after spindashing
If i were you i’d try to poke out my overshooting next time
So you can catch me off guard and combo
Alright
got it
im not winning
Games are closer then they usually are
Well yeah i have experience
I’ve been playing for years
And ik how to use sonic
So therefore
Ik how to fight sonic
Its hard
But even with all of that you still manage to take stocks off me
I say thats a w
sigh
no
i mean getting off the lexge
double jumping whenever i get hit
using the same approach not mixing up my options
other than that no
ye ye
Couple of others
Like spindash i feel like you can be quicker with it
I mean this by using it to punish
You use it more as a threat
Like oh shit Am charging spindash be scared
but like sometimes they gonna call out ur bluff
They’ll rush in
Thats when you let go yk?
yeah
Especially with spincharge
Spincharge is good like that
really good at punishing landings
Keep that in mind
Like if am in disadvantage and am in the air without a jump, you should be ready to spincharge punish me
alright
im going to break my mental habit
i be afraid of failure/doing something wrong
thats just me as a person
Gg
gg.
Gg
gg
You just gotta learn how to keep a calm mind when playing, i can tell when your frustrated
It’s pretty important because our opponents can use that against us and get ez dubs like that
don’t let that happen
Your keeping great spacing
But you still let me rush in
like
You stood there
In my burst range
I dash attacked
Yeah i sat my controller down
Why
fustration
I mean i try to watch top players and watch them do certain things. I try it n it doesn’t work
And idk what im doing wrong
if u were doing exactly what top players were doing you would’ve beaten me in a 3 stock
Its a lack of knowledge
And its not experience anymore i dont know what im doing
why i do it and the reasoning behind it
I still dont understand neutral. I dont know how to counterplay
I dont know how to edge gaurd
I mean i see ppl do it and i try it
sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt
But i feel like if i actually knew the logic behind it i would be better
my wifi just went off imma join back in a sec
Thats why am here, to help you out
To answer any questions
Ik what am doing for the most part
So whenever i watch you play
as sonic
or from what i remember
All i see is a ball flying across the map 24/7 and i just get caught by it
So i try to emulate that and got 2 stocked
that was whenever we first started training with eachother
Now im watching Sonix and how he is so patient
But i dont know what to do whenever someone is charging at me
sometimes whenever i release spindash i get damage taken from that
and sometimes my stock
What is Sonix doing that im not?
im abt to join back now ts turned back on
He’s playing patient bc hes waiting for his opponent to whiff
At a range he can punish
Have you seen sonix vs light tho?
He plays different in that mu than any other
hes alot more aggressive
And its bc camping doesn’t work
Not saying camping is something you should give up
Am saying you shouldn’t always camp
Bc it doesn’t always work
Lets try something different
Experiment a bit
alright
were gonna play some cat and mouse
This time
U
Ur trya catch me
And am running away
Dittos
fuck
Lol
i just got mixed off the map
typa lag
Thats a rip
did this mf turn the widi off again
oh
Is this what all top sonics are good at?
its hard to hit you
yea
how u we’re hitting air
that’s punished
isnt this essentially movement?
Yeah
So i have to learn Evasion
is there a reason
why we didnt start off with that?
Or was my fundamentals just that bad
They were pretty bad ye
You have alot of issues to fix
But for the most part
Its all coming together
You just gotta implement it to ur games
Gg
gg
I do a Non true combo
Fair Spincharge
fair homing attack
Jump Fair or bair
depending on if they tech or not
Its my main combo starter thats why i do it
You use alot
When you could be using something different yk?
Like jab
Down tilt
I dont just them
because my results with them aren’t good
It’s experimental but am trying to see what ur doing wrong
It also gives shows you how you can evade and punish as sonic
The way i do it
Speaking of wrongs
Your uairs are on the right idea
But
And always away from them
Easy side tilt
If you wanna hit me at all you have to close me out
Like how i do with you
Look at what i do
Pay attention
am i still chasing you
If i up alot you can uair
If am dash dancing spincharge
If am shielding grab
Cover me and stuff me
gg
Hey i gtg vux
alright
burst range, reaction speed, spacing, edge guarding, whiff punishing, a bit of combos, advantage, disadvantage
And neutral
questions?
why is sonix good
There’s alot that makes sonic good
His advantage is goated
Edge guarding top notch
Hes patient
But knows when to get in
Great understanding of burst range
And how to whiff punish
Hes got good combos too
Doing like 50% off one uair
Hes been playing since smash 4 way before
Ultimate came out
I mean ye it’s important
But at the time
You didn’t know any combos
You kinda do now
Movement is afterall affiliated with burst range
you definitely can practice that more
You can go into training mode and do that
Just move around
Practice it yk
imma just do what i did for football irl. Because its gotten me somewhere
Idk where it is now but i had an entire notebook full
Of what my 2 favorite wrs do On every down and distance and where they were at on the field at that time
what the defense did that triggered the action
same strat might work for this
completely breaking down
someone elses game
made me better at irl things tremendously.
You should do that for vods
Ive been top performers as football events n shi from it
Your own, mine, sonix, etc
im doing it currently
im breaking down Sonix Right now
Started with his basic neutral now im looking for how he deals with aggressive players
then defensive
How he deals with projectiles
How he plays aggressively in neutral whenever needed
How he plays his advantage state
what he looks for on ledge
why he reacts to certain things that way
alot of stuff
I’ll do it for Sonix,Sonido,Craftis,SupergirlKel, You (if i can get your VODs) and myself
alright
could you send your vods?
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Sonix explains his patience very clearly here
Still gotta work on that advantage
Like you had something going at the beginning when you had him in plats
Should’ve reacted to his option and uair comboed him rather than spindashing
You also don’t use spincharge much
Like ur opponent isn’t shielding
Thats an easy spincharge combo
There’s also you just throwing f smashes when hes not even close to you lol
Not gonna hit him across the stage
Lastly u gotta be more aware
Dude rolled in alot
You could’ve read it and went for an up smash yk?
yeah
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@drifting anchor did this man just download the complete situation (First stock at the beginning)
@drifting anchor
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I can try Tuesday
Alright
I got Official Season Matches Tuesday and Wednesday
what’s a good way to practice edgegaurding?
I also won alot more wit sonic today at practices c:
Nice
For edge guarding it’s something you just
Go for
So next time you play
When ur opponent is off stage
Really pay attention to where they are
And try to hit them
You don’t even need to follow them
You can just pressure them to make a move
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I implemented this
into my tool kit
got like 2 kills off it
Another thing i have a question for is
How do i beat someone who doesn’t care about Spindash? Like they are continuously blitzing me.
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Well how do you deal with blitzing irl?
🤔
Im not a QB So i wouldn’t know 💀
as a WR i speed my route up and attack more aggressively
okay bet
When someone calls out ur spindash its bc they know its coming
It could also be ur burst range
But if their hitting you when your charging you can do a couple of things
You can let it rip early and catch them before they catch you
You can jump spindash above
I did that today and Spring upair killed someone
And either spinshot out or spindash through them
Ye remember its a fast move when its fully charged
And if yk they’re coming at you, down b to them
Make sure your far enough to NOT get hit tho
bc if ur in their burst range and ur still charging you WILL get hit
yeye
Another thing is I think im starting to understand now.
What makes top players so good is that really the neutral but its the advantage state. 60% during an Advantage state is more affective than the 30% i usually do
So Combo game and pushing my advantage is something i’ll work on tonight
Learning 🤓
Speaking of learning i gotta finish my HW
hey
It takes a while
You won’t get good in a single month
Remember that
Its ok to lose
Learn from it yk?
I accepted the fact that i loze
lose*
now I do VOD Reviews
and See why i lost an interaction
and habits that i do
Great
keep doing that
I’m gonna do finish my hw now tho
Take care keep grinding
alright bro take care
W!
It is isn’t it
I cant beat Aggro players..
No matter how much patience i have
How are they hitting you?
there just pushing
Like i spindash and they either clank it
or beat it
and then i try to use the fist and other things
and im still getting beat lmao
Sounds like ur timing it wrong then
eh.
side b
depends on how far.
When their close
Outside the burst range
So you release spincharge when they’re outside the burst range?
When u do that how charged is it
no
i charge it outside
and whenever they come into my range i release.
And thats when they clank / hit
yep
Yeah its the timing
some dude told me to “Play Sonic Right, be aggressive”
When ur charging spindash you wanna make sure your outside ur opponents burst range BUT when you release it you wanna make sure they whiff in front of you
So like from the sounds of it they’re dash attacking early
but if you wait it out, they should whiff any move they do right in front you
I was playing a fox too n he was just jumping and nairing or whatever that kick is
Oh ye
Its like i cant condition the opponent.
For that you can just spindash away
Or use spindash jump to catch his landing
You can also spindash hop to avoid the nair
You gotta learn to deal with aggression lol
All ik is spindash
💀 n if i dont do it right or its not working im fucked in my eyes
Send me a vod of them being aggressive
so i can know exactly what their doing and what your doing
i didnt save
but i think i have a Vod of someone being aggressive let me look
Ye if anything play a match where the scenario happens
oh
heres a match where i got completely destroyed
#SmashBros https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBayKZ8cuO4
i kinda notice what was going on the next game and won but this is a similar situation
Alr let me finish my workout and eat and i’ll watch this
Gimmie 3 hours
Ye?
alright
im going to go back to my aggressive playstyle
So i can push my advantage state better
but keep the same type of neutral i have currently
think Ken is the person to study
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im starting to get it ngl its fun too
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