#Sonic Coaching
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Just dont do it in neutral
Also I wouldn’t recommend you spam homing attack either
I’m catching on to it
And if you whiff you WILL getting punished
Gimmie a sec
i didnt kno i can ude a move after that
so was trying to mix it up
ping me when your back
imma go do sum
Ok for spinning, you can also use f smash to kill
ok
Alr
im coming back rn
Gg
Its its own neutral ngl
See this is why
gg
Gg
can i still use Nair?
ok ping whenever back
nah ik what can help me in the air
^
Rather have snapback then whatever is going on the original
rn*
any tips
with this only spin stuff
other than mixing it up cause i figured that one out
Oh ye
Ideally you wanna use side b for ledge / defense
Side b has invincibility frames
or the spring kill
yeah i noticed
thats why i spammed that mf
So ideally you wanna use that against me if i rush in
okay
Gg
gg
If am like right next to your face you should just let side b rip
Don’t charge it
Gg
Gg
side b?
Only spindash if you have a jump
cause i can jump out of that
Or spin charge
okat
gg
Ok

gg
Gg
💀
mhmm
Tbh i kinda need to work on this myself tho
Am messing up to lol
😭😭😭
😭
man
It teaches us how to use spindash properly
gg
This is so funny lmao
yeag
bro
you can cheese it
💀💀💀
Ok let me reread the exercise
ok
So do NOT use it in neutral
Damn
thats
😂
Gg
Gg
Yeah dont go in too deep
LMFAO
Gg
mhmm
Gg
Gg
Let me go back to ganon
Alr so
You don’t really use spin charge that much
As you should
Your playing very defensively
Which is kinda predictable
And Ideally when you spindash you wanna be able to have room to have so in case i shield you at least are far from an immediate punish
Sonic after spindashing is very venerable
Vulnerable *
Another thing I noticed
You spindash back alot
Which on its own is super slow
Making it easy to predict
when you go another direction you wanna make sure its unreactable
ok
Ama show you some tech after this
okay bet
i don’t like it
Its not that hard to master lol
ill tell you that much
You just have to be smart ab it
imagine playing a tourney for money
Its like its own neutral
and all you see is a blue ball the entire match
woooo sonic tech
w mans
Gimmie a sec
ok
Alr
Lets start off with the fun one
“Spinshot”
Special Thanks to Memey for lending his spin shot clip 2:02 https://twitter.com/Memey_PW
Music Used
Wave Ocean The Inlet: https://youtu.be/W5EEC_cjvFM
Intro 0:00 - 0:08
Differentiation 0:08 - 0:30
Spin Shot 0:31 - 1:10
Spin Charge Jump 1:11 1:27
Examples 1:27 - 2:30
2:30 - 3:09 End
Ye watch it real quick
Then lmk when ur done
We’ll practice it together in the arena
You wanna use it to recover
Approach
Stuff like that
It can be predictable tho
So use it wisely
okay
fs
So how was it 🤔
oh nice
my goodness
….
Do u have tap jump on?
🤔
It might make spindash tech easier tho
Idk
just keep trying
Flick it fast
As soon as you release side b flick the C stick
Keep going
your doing it so consistent
i dont understand the timing still
wait a sec
did u have to do it at gold?
i did that one first try before i forced the other one
Special thanks to SpeedBolt for the C-stick Micro method
SpeedBolt's twitter: https://twitter.com/SpeedBolt_
Music: https://youtu.be/kjt6oc2ZRLk
Intro 0:00 - 0:05
Differentiation 0:05 - 0:16
Inputs 0:16 - 0:33
Examples 0:33 - 1:26
End 1:26: 2:00
Do you wanna keep practicing this or do you wanna switch up tech
switch it up
Alr
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Shut up

💀
Alr next up
I didn't mean it in a negative sense
I didn’t either lol i say shut up to everyone
Fair
Anyways This one is extremely important
mhm?
Spindash cancel
There are 2 variations
The easy dair cancel
And the air dodge cancel
So
Its like spinshot
But you jump
And air dodge down
Quick
video example?
Ye
Mirage Saloon Act 2: https://youtu.be/Zb1mSGhyido
Comfort Zone (Main Menu) https://youtu.be/f4CBQ9nnQSY
0:00 - 0:15 Intro
0:16 - 0:32 Inputs
0:33 - 1:14 Ledge Cancel
1:15 - 2:10 Examples
2:13 - 2:30 Bonus
For this one since i use a gc i like to have one of my shoulder buttons set to jump
Lyco got everything
i gotta learn some of these default
they dont like us switching
binds and stuff cause it takes time up
for everyone
Ye this is the most important sonic tech imo
Its part of his bait and punish game
pretty well
if im not mistaken
never
the fuck mind
im doing sum completely different
ngl
thats so fire
oh wait
it is the same thing
your just faster @drifting anchor
The faster you can cancel it the better
And if you let it side b go a little longer you can do what i like to call a spin shine
I haven’t found a way to optimize it let alone if anyone else discovered it
Probably has already
But its fun to do
And it actually is kinda optimal now that i think ab it
interesting
Then cancel it
ahh
Like a shine
But way worse than a shine lol
Similar tho
Is someone is rushing to you and you wanna spindash cancel this is a safe way to do so
okay
That way they get hit and you remain unharmed
There’s alot more sonic tech to learn
We got spindash pivot, turnaround homing attack, instant double jump, etc
okay
okay
@Jakal_SS https://twitter.com/MasterHandGames/status/1178083849626161152?s=20
DemX https://youtu.be/oJr5yz5BcaA?t=42
Music used
Classic Rooftop Run: https://youtu.be/pn-AtNRcUQY
Heres the vid
oh shi
how tr
am i suppose to kno if this is right
without a target
@drifting anchor
if i crouch im tryn get your attention in dizzy
💀
Remember which way your facing
If your facing left and you face right when you HA you got it right
If you face left when u use HA your doing it wrong
No its not exactly right
mhm
You have the end result but your not doing whats needed in the beginning
I’ll show u
ok
yeah
yeah
yeah
No not yet
fuck me
yes?
Like that
I didn’t see
Hope that made sense
Alr next tech would be spindash pivot
These come in many different variants
Gimmie a sec
ok
Special thanks to SpeedBolt for the C-stick Micro method
SpeedBolt's twitter: https://twitter.com/SpeedBolt_
Music: https://youtu.be/kjt6oc2ZRLk
Intro 0:00 - 0:05
Differentiation 0:05 - 0:16
Inputs 0:16 - 0:33
Examples 0:33 - 1:26
End 1:26: 2:00
this be it
Ye
mhm
Super easy
maybe i should do C srick
Alr
Moving on to the more advanced one (and useful)
Music used
D Fast - Jungaaaa [Lethal League Blaze] https://youtu.be/sjNA5GQeogA
I really wanna learn Spinshot again
bet
We can practice that again when were done with this one
gotchu
Then move on to the last spindash tech for now
A bit harder
a bit
i feel that has to come naturally tho
its the same as the last one basically
It comes naturally through practice
yea
You dont get it?
i cant do it on purpose
Wait r u using joycons?
yeah
Definitely
Joy cons aren’t good to play in tbh
Don’t know how do it
Keep flicking it fast tho, find the timing

Shouldn’t be doing it offstage like that lol
🤣
ok
Song Used - Planet Wisp (Classic) - Sonic Generations - https://youtu.be/dCElIAlQzqU
0:00 - 0:21 Intro
0:21 - 0:37 Differentiation
0:37 - 1:24 Vertical Spin Jump
1:24 - 2:42 Instant Spin Dash Jump
2:42 - 3:49 Landing Variations
3:50 - 5:14 Examples
Is INSTANT spindash jump
you did see me doing it consistently earlier
This one is the hardest
You hit the grab button at a certain frame to do it
And if you do it right spindash should curve like in the vid
You were doing it right a couple of times
Ye
You can also do this for more consistency
But ye thats enough sonic tech for now
theres a bit more we didn’t cover yet but there all in lycros channel if you want a reference
alright
Use everything you learned
Ok
Gg
Gg
gg..
i got used to not using it
Gg
Gg
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You had something going first stock
But like you dropped it
Also when am in disadvantage you can apply pressure by going a far distance (a safe distance) and holding spindash
Doing that forces me to guess if your gonna keep charging or let it rip
Likely making me whiff something
So you can punish
Gg
gg
One thing i should also note in my disadvantage
You can punish my landings with spindash
So if am jumping alot you can charge up spincharge and punish my landing
this is annoying.
weak ass character bro
Remember ur just starting out
Sonic isn’t good at killing
Hes more of a damage racker
You get kills from kill confirms
gg.
Gg
then you gonna dip?
fuck
Gg
Its alr vux
find someone in friendlys?
Your not gonna get it on the first day
ok
While we wait ama use the bathroom
If no one responds in 5 mins ping again
👌
ok
the stick
fucked up
fw
dw*
Gotta work on the kill confirms
When hes high pn percent go for back airs
110+ and i cant kill
Switch back to sonic
The sonic was better
He likes to smash attack, punish that
Ez nair to bair
To kill

ok
Close
yo bro
Gotta close it out with the bair
When your on top of a platform
You can drop down and preform an air
Bair or nair
Try that
Has it set to battlefield
bros using ness
But you didnt close out the stocks
Use back air
The bair

Stick with sonic man
Trya coach sonic not pyra
And mythra
Smh
FUCK
Nice
Dude
how i get out
w
Before you play, sonic can kill with bair, up smash foward smash and fair off ledge
pk fire spam
i just lost
to a shitter
like actuall
i play horrible against ppl who are worse than i actually am
dont let it get to you
he said lets do another 5
nah ts made lame.
Ts?
this shd.
Shd?
shit
Ah got ya
sonic is a pretty hard character to master
Yeah play one more and call it a day
bro
it
shouldnt
fucking
im done with sonic
im not touching this character again
it takes me 10-15 hits just to get to 70%
but only 3 for me to get to 90+ then dir
die*
thats the price with sonic man
Hes weak
But hes fast agile
racks up damage
You just have to be patient man
It’ll come to you
i got one more match with him
And hey training wasn’t for nothing
unless i win
5-0
twice
yeah bro.
not touching this character again
literally doing all ts for no reason.
nah like
Ive been a sonic fan since
i was little asf thats the only rzn why i got ts
but i can deal wit inputing 90-100 damage without getting a kill
yet i can literally die at 30%
I feel that
but when you W
Stop playing a for today
Get some sleep
Reset that mind
been playing for over 5 hours now
Not like everything is gonna come to you
It takes a while
You won’t get better that quick
cant even find anybody.
Gonna sleep now?
nah fin go to the smash tourneys
?
Spring ledge
Stop using smash attack
React faster
Drop downs
Bait and Punish better
Learn to tech/roll
Combo
Dont let urself get stuffed out
Practice spindashes more
Recover better
Know how to mix up spindash
Know which spindashes to use in the right situations
Kill confirms
Mash out
Go offstage
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So
this made it easier for my off stage
and landing up airs
anddd also Short hops
Ye for the controller settings i also recommend you have the top left shoulder button ZL for jump as it helps with sonic tech
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OH SHIT ITS ASTROKUBE
IK THAT GUY
WOW
Did not know he had a channel
@remote agate
yoo
i do say
one thing that would make me really better
and i was to frustrated to see it myself last night
this is an example of what im talking about
but i dont know how to “Bair” properly
Like go from Fair-> Jump -> Fair -> Jump -> Bair
even back airing in general
you conditioned me so hard
i forgot i had spindashes.
i just had a nice little kill confirm
So basically bair is when you jump and attack behind you
You move the analog stick behind ur character to do it
But you can also flick the c stick too
Something to test out in training
yeah
ive been doing the arial pivot thing rn
Yeah
That one is pretty easy
i keep gettin
Use the C stick for the uair
48
Do you spincharge fully?
Nair
Oh nair
For that one you should learn IDJ
helpful in general
Let me send u a clip
Here is a tech showcase about instant double jump.
This is a great tech which I think everyone should invest some time into.
It is a great replacement for buffered fh aerials from previous smash titles.
Please enjoy! =)
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This also expands sonics potential for combos
You can do combos to 70% if you do this stuff right
Neato
nah
i hop back online and this sonic shit already pissing me off again
200+ damage
bro
i cant
@drifting anchor
why everytime
i do the right thing
im getting screwed over for it
ts makes 0 sense im literally doing what im suppose to do
Your reaction speed needs work probably
Also other habits you can be making
You can find out what ur doing wrong by recording your games and vod review
im doing
everything
i was told to do last night
im getting punished for being right 💀?
You could be doing something else wrong
im done with the character
How long have you been playing?
Ah
Relax man ur just starting out
This is like ur 2nd day
Your not gonna implement everything i teach you in one or 2 days
You have to be patient and commit
if all someoje has to do
is mindlessly swing a sword around
to win
then idk what to say lmao
Theres counterplay to mindlessly swinging a sword around
If there grounded, you can go over them and nair combo them
If in the sky, you can charge up spindash and punish the end lag
What character r u talking ab
Like a chain n she just swing it around
Sounds like a tilt
You apply pressure by maintaining the advantage and being threatening
For sonic applying pressure is moving in and out of their burst ranges, looking for options to bait and punish accordingly
But someone can overshoot and call your pressure
which is what I’ve been doing in our games
alr.
I can watch/play later on
For now tho
What you can do
Is save replays
And vod review
Which is when you look over a video you played
And analyze what you did right, wrong
What ur opponent did right/wrong
And what you can do to improve that
What exactly did they do wrong
everytime
i bait
for her to attack
or him
they swing
as soon as i comeback to Fdasg
i get spammed
F smash?
Dude
That move is laggy
You should spindash instead
It’s quicker and safer if done right
You can also tilt
Or dash attack
And they continue shielding, grab them
😐
What?
