#Sonic Coaching
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think the time could be a bit later?
4:00?
Sure
aii coo
abt to be home
im available whenever your ready
Oh mb almost forgot lol
R u there?
Ping me when ur ready @remote agate
alr
im abt to feed my dog rq
Nice
G7W89
my fault gng 💀 had this game for 3 days came from multiversus 😭
Oo so your NEW new
ye fs
I played
like practice for my esports team
cause they not supportin multiversus rn
Understandable
Gg
fs
Ye there’s a couple of things you could’ve done better
Like…recovering 💀
But thats ez to learn dw ab it
xbox controls vs Switch
still tryn convert
🤣
Nah i feel i need a better neutral?
think thats what yall call it
ok
Gg
mhmm
how do you apply pressure?
lmaoo
Ok so
You have a kinda both a neutral and spindashing issue from what i could tell from those games
But for starters lets focus on sonic neutral
Optimally speaking
You wanna play him patiently
He’s an extremely fast character that can punish alot in medium distances
mhm
You wanna run around a characters burst range
Which is where the opponent can hit you
If your outside of their range but close enough
You’ll be able to whiff punish them
But if your to far to react to the whiff punish or they’re too quick, you wanna see what they do next for reference
Yeah pretty much
Bait and punish
Dyk sonic combos?
Regular combos
yeah
Not ones you get from spindash
Ok ye thats good too
thats the only one tho
ok so for the uair combos you wanna make sure their above a platform
That way you can extend it or continue the combo by waiting for them to come down
If you grab them in the center stage you can push them into the platform
With fair
Depends on the percentage
ok
Thats another thing with sonic
Its hella important with him
You have to understand when and when not to move in
First off tho
Stop dairing
Stop smash attacking
Especially dair
Ok
Its very laggy
If you do use a move use nair or uair
Great combo starters
Or if you want to space out, use bair
In neutral you wanna bait me to do stuff
But you also should be careful when falling back
Like when you try and retreat to ledge
I saw that
And i ran up and dash attack
If you would’ve attacked me when i was overshooting to ledge, you would’ve gotten the advantage
Mix up where you go
Dont be predictable
You did
Stuffed out my aggressive options
Ideally you wanna spindash that but we’re focusing more on neutral rn
Another thing I noticed tho
i also felt like i had more control over the situation too
Your VERY easy to bait yourself
1 more neutral
You tend to air dodge to me alot
?
Oh yeah
Whenever i go for a jump you anticipate an attack coming so you air dodge
Dont do that
gotta get rid of that habit i do it in multiversus cause it isnt as threatening in there
Smash do be different
fr
so what do you say i do?
So when ur stuck in situations like that just recover normally
if it happens let it happen and play through?
ye fs
Focus REALLY hard on not air dodging
And dairing
And remember to stuff out approaches
I dont like being in the air at all
air combos and stuff is something i also lack
Ion think i got alot of confidence in it
You should practice it then
And try them in friendlies
That way its not that pressuring
fs
Missinput?
Gg
hey you didn’t do alot of air dodging tho
Alr so
One thing i should note
I’am dash attacking alot
And jumping alot
What you can do to deal with that is shield me
And then grab combo me
Try that
thankyou
whenever we both start to shield
Turn around grab?
yes
Thats a tech more than a secret button
Like my turning sucks ass
gotchu
lets say
You dash in front of me
and like your still in front of me whenever the frame is over
should i just neutral?
Cause again i was trying to dash attack
snd kept Fsmashing
you shouldn’t use f smash to punish quick moves
You use moves that are fast
Like tilt
Down tilt
i do that by accident
Jab
whenever i do that i try to dash attack i just miss it
And grab
im asking to make it easier for myself i should just neutral
Jab
alr
One thing i should note ab dash attack
It can go through shield
So keep that in mind
Nah you just need faster reaction speed
And that comes with time
And focus
Ok so
Try tilting
My dash attacks this time
yo
Do you have tilt attack for c stick?
?
Aw dude
im default
No wonder
all the way
Alr so
mb
I think it’s pretty important that you have the c stick set to tilt
Nah its fine
Neither of us didn’t know
But for the most part you wanna have that changed
Pretty important
And if you want change the tap jump too
Personally i find it bothering
so i have it off
imma go change them rq
So ye go ahead and adjust ur controllers
you can have it on if you want
But personally I don’t have it on
Tends to mess me up
Personal preference
But I definitely recommend you change your c stick (the right one) to tilt attack
K ye your good then
Definitely will
You’ll be able to use tilts easier like that
Omw

LMFAOOO
Alr
should i turn stick sensitivity up?
Thats also up to personal preference
imma try it
Alr
Code?
Gg
gg
Still gotta catch my dash attacks
And also be aware of them in general
Cause i do also hit them alot in disadvantage
When I shouldn’t be
Disadvantage btw is when you get hit
Like ur in the air
Ah
so i can have a vidual
You haven’t punished my dash attacks like that at all tho
You need that fast reaction speed
And confidence to do so
You also have to know which move to use in the right situation
Alr lets keep playing
Gg
Yeah im starting to see now tho
its so random
i tried to anticipate it
o
So you dont know where am going to be even if i whiff it
It means you really have to pay attention where i go
i see
I could either end up behind you or in front of u
If am in front you don’t even need to run to me
Just grab
Gg
gotchu
Your doing alot better
You just gotta secure
gotchu
So a common kill confirm you can do is like back throw
oh yeah
That kills sonic around 130% on ledge
I forgot abt that i was tryn do the Upair combo
okay
Gg
gg
doing better with the punishes
gotta let ts come naturally
presh
im tryn focus on movement + punishment
ikr
Great for 2 framing off ledge
question
and i think i picked it up
Is it a adjustment
Whenever you see me fishing for the grab
you run back and Fsmash
to punish it
yes
So
I do that because I continue to read your roll ins
Its a habit you have
Along with air dodging
am i still air dodging?
A bit
cause if i am its a habit i gotta break
Not as much tho
alr coo
how should i mix these up
i barely kno how to do that in general
Do anything but roll in
You can wait for me to f smash
And grab me
Put me off ledge
Edge guard me
ok
You just hold it
Literally hold shield
FUCK
You did better
Also dair is another habit you do a bit
opportunities*
Alot actually
i think im scared of nair imma trust it a bit more
yeah
Gg
whats a DI
Directal influence
ooh ok
Remember when i survived some stuff that looked like it would’ve killed?
Yeah
Thats me DI’ing
You do that to live a little longer
ok
But you waste your double jump
So just fair
When i kill you tho you DI to stage
Dont do that
Sonic has a high recovery
Go under instead of over
ok
Imma play how i did at the start
and add the shi i learned
into it
L
imma learn some way
Gg
gg
i understand what your telling me tho 100%
yeah i see
i gotta stop trying to parry
again like u said
Gg
💀
gg
Damn
😭
Gg
It was
Like
Your actually getting quicker
You just gotta keep the advantage going
Gg
Movement IS important for sonic but it has to have purpose
correct
gotchu
Otherwise you’re setting yourself up for a really hard read
i baited you into dash
Keep doing more of those
Gg
Ye it did
Pay attention to my movement also
Where i go
What habits am making
okay
Like i always end up in the same spot every time when i recover
yeah
okay
Gg
indeed
im starting to see tho
Well
no more infinite comboing in multiversus ts take skill
💀💀
Gg
gg
Ye that stage fucked u there
hy
nah the first stock
was good
until i decided to suicide kill
FUCK
FUCK
FUCK

FUCK
U had it
Gg
atp i think im so focused on
doing the right thing which i should
to not playing my own
Let me go someone easier
style at the same time
No trust
fs
imma order some Dominoes 😧
Because his moves are very slow
ok
So you should be able to punish just ab anything
Compared to the sonic ditto
I’ll still be doing the habits i do
ok
Gg
yeah let me try this
gg
again its not the character
im to focused on not failing ts so itd throwing me off a bit
Thats fine
ye im tweaked out
Gg
gg
The reason i went ganon was because of the mu
And it also helps teach you to combo in a way
Along with punish
Since ganon is slow
Nice edge guard tho
Everything good?
Gimmie a sec 💀
alr ye
Yeah smash can be draining man
a rushdown sonic is very unoptimal
Because sonic lacks the tools a rushdown character would have
mhm
I am an aggressive sonic tho
So players like
Wrath and Sonido
like what is the big difference
cause when i played you
like at the very start of the session
Felt like as soon as i touched the ground
im right back in the air
Thats just my pressure
But if am confident in what my opponent is gonna do, i go rush in and attack
And punish accordingly depending on the move
I try to take note of all habits first before i do
This is how i play personally
An optimal sonic would be hit and run, baiting and punishing any options
Since spindash is so good
Thats kinda half the sonics in the game
But thats why were not using it rn
Pretty much ye
playing without spindash teaches you neutral
@remote agate has earned the Verified User role!
gg
Gg
stfu im learning to play smash hoes
It also teaches you disapline as you don’t rely on spindash and homing attack
bro
the urge
to press B
gg
Gg
gg
yeah
You give up stage control too easy
Which is basically the player who is in the middle of the stage
Sonic thrives off movement
But you don’t give urself the space to do that
As soon as i run at you, you give run to ledge
Which would hypothetically work if you hold spindash on ledge
But what we’re trying to do is get you to understand neutral better
gg
That was good
Back to movement
Just make sure to mix it up
movement it is
You don’t wanna always go to stage
Gg
now punishments
Ye
Theres a ledge limit
no
i jumped off
i tried to do
the thing i did earlier that baited u
i messed it up
my pizza man
Gg
holy fuck
There u go
That was ur best one yet man
Gg
gg
you see what am doing now?
Gg
I got a full box of pizza
Am kinda hungry too
ye lunch break then
fr lol
wym
same
Should’ve
If you dash front and retreated back I would’ve thought you were going in
And then you could’ve punished me
Thats the idea with sonic
Any questions you might have?
as of right now none
you have basically answered all my questions i just gotta perform now
While you do that make note of what u did wrong
gotchu
while we are on that topic
while i watxh this
like the dairs
can you list mistakes i was doing before so i can write those down also
Dair
DI’ing to stage
Running away when you could’ve punished
The occasional air dodge in
Landing
ngl
gimmie a sec
gotchu bro
Alr back
Yeah you have
Just keep a note just in case tho
okay
What tech specifically
Movement right?
There are tech for that yes
But you need to just learn to foxtrot
while i went afk
i saw you doing that spin motion continuously
i need to learn that
Which one?
Alr
how long have u played this game
Ab 6+ years
oh shit
Alr
i feel it would help
whenever im close to the ledge
and you dash attack behind me cause i struggle with that
💀
i saw a video of someone walking and doing that
What i did there was move my stick left to right without to much force slowly
Oh that
he had the joker
Thats easy to do too
it was on yt
fuck
Ik which one ur talking ab ye
The more i play this the more i realize Multiversus takes 0 skill…..
Its not really optimal tho
Movement tech wise its not that useful
More for fun
gotcha
There is one for sonic tho
Where you can cancel your dash attack and walk instead
oo
You basically start dashing and down tilt tilt before 4 frames
Ye trya find it
bet
DASH WALK
there we go
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Great way to position urself and keep ur space
okay
I gotta do something rn anyways
okay
okay
Alr omw
ok
Gg
U did
The rip
gg
Gg
Gg
Doing alot of smash attacks
Good finisher but really laggy
i tried to bait
😭
it wouldve been clean tho
Gg
gg
No its not that
?
My controller made me sd
💀💀💀
So
im playijg a bit more aggressive
do you think im reverting back to what i was doing from the start
or do you think im learning a bit
Learning alot
cause im just going without thinking honestly
I mean ur not falling for my dash attacks anymore
mhm
Your adapting quite nicely
Ye i saw
Gg
yeah i wont do that again
Gg
gg
i was trying to force you to fight me in the air
cause recovery
is bad
- lag
welp
Gg
You got to eager that time
i can use spin dash and stuff now?
yeah def
?
Next exercise i mean
okay
?
You can use spincharge too
ok
Use all b buttons
wait
Just dont use any attacks in neutral
Only spindash spincharge and homing and up b
no grabs?
No grabs
ok
gg