DecoFirmaCraft

[dusky geyser]

okay when you say datapack what do you mean specifically

do you mean other mods? because this is a modpack, it's #1324026207930417202

[coarse knot]

Well the worldgen is in a datapack too it’s just integrated into the mod

[dusky geyser]

huh. so which mod are you talking about here, DFC or TFC or some other mod?

[coarse knot]

Dfc

But I think other mods can have something to do with it

Like I said it’ll just do that sometimes

When I was first implementing the new rock types I’d check a world every time I changed something and even though it didn’t actually work it’d still do the thing you’re showing

Like chunk borders for the rock types

[dusky geyser]

when i make a new world with the same seed it suddenly doesn't do it

[coarse knot]

Idk how I’d functionally change nothing and it’d still do it

[coarse knot]

Yeah it’s odd

[dusky geyser]

what rock type is arkose again?

[coarse knot]

I’m guessing it happens in regular tfc too it’s just hard to notice

[coarse knot]

Sedimentary

Non flux bearing so no malachite

[dusky geyser]

i found a spot where it's gneiss on one seed and arkose on the other

actually hold on

is it arkose on both even though the map says gneiss?

(blazemap doesn't have the dfc rocks in it that's known, probably not your fault)

[coarse knot]

this is the file that controls the rock layers

Here’s the tree for the base tfc stone types

[coarse knot]

i think it can support dfc stone types with a datapack but i havent bothered yet

same with tfc worldgen viewer

thats weird gneiss should never be on the surface

[coarse knot]

this is kinda hard to read but its from bottom to top and follows a chain

[dusky geyser]

yeah i've read it before, that's interesting

[coarse knot]

so it showing gneiss makes sense if it doesnt recognize the dfc stone types and shows the one below it instead

[dusky geyser]

oh that makes sense

the only remaining thing I can think of for why it seems like there's less ore is if it for whatever reason doesn't generate indicators properly for decofirmacraft

[coarse knot]

that shouldnt be an issue

atleast i dont think it should

you never know with this kind of thing...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345746552492130316/1345871415097819166/e85e0b4a86c3e5e3c8ea31914827601b.gif

[dusky geyser]

time to go check

[coarse knot]

like i said could just be anecdotal....

[dusky geyser]

yeah but like. it keeps happening to me. i have to find out if it's a real thing.

[dusky geyser]

i found a spot where the change in rock layer as it goes deeper cut off a vein but that's a normal thing

[slender rampart]

would there be a way to disable lead and aluminium generation if you already have galena and bauxite from TFC+IE?

also, is plaster properly implemented? I made liquid plaster but I can't pour it out or anything

[coarse knot]

You’ve gotta put a bucket of it in your off hand and paint compatible blocks with it using a paintbrush on your main hand

Compatible blocks being wood planks and like

I think stone bricks

Or was it mason bricks

I can’t remember

[slender rampart]

oh, okay

[coarse knot]

I’ll add jei support eventually

[coarse knot]

Also yeah using a datapack

Idk if you’re doing this for a personal pack or modpack dev

[slender rampart]

personal pack

[coarse knot]

You could just use the no ores version if you don’t want to bother with a datapack

[slender rampart]

I lack the technical smarts to make a datapack

[coarse knot]

I could also make it conditional to remove the ore veins if you have tfc+ie compat mod installed

But I kinda like my aluminum implementation over theirs

[coarse knot]

god damn it fusion ctm added the traditional ctm textures

that wouldve been useful a couple months ago

these are new too ive had tons of ideas for this exact texture type and now its real

[coarse knot]

idk if i should vault it or try it

[limpid swift]

I like CTM

[coarse knot]

yeah i like it too

a lot of possibilities that you cant normally make

maybe its not so bad after all

[coarse knot]

messing around with those continuous textures but theyre kinda buggy or maybe im just using them wrong

actually it is bugged, every side but the top inverts one of the axis textures for some reason

[slender rampart]

the no ores version appears to disable all ore generation in my world?

I installed it, loaded up a world, and that world just has no ore generation anymore outside of the chunks I'd generated before

I only wanted Aluminium and the other ores from DFC not to generate

[coarse knot]

I thought I fixed it

I’ll fix it soon hopefully today

[limpid swift]

Assuming they are on the latest version anyways, if they aren't then it might not be fixed in their version

[coarse knot]

thats true but since its a new install its probably newest version

[limpid swift]

The amount of times I've had to tell people to update mods in the MultiMC discord because they've gotten the wrong version from curseforge is pretty high, which is why that comes to my mind

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slender rampart]

I was using the latest available version for 1.20.1

[coarse knot]

we hit 20k downloads

[sage venture]

[coarse knot]

had an idea the other day

[sage venture]

[leaden grove]

oh my goodness! YES! big brick!

[coarse knot]

how do we feel about this

i kinda like it

might keep it

[sage venture]

YES

[coarse knot]

im trying to make columns and roads have tooltips and it gives me the biggest headache ever

[native folio]

Hey question, do the stone columns have support properties like the wooden beams?

[coarse knot]

oh no but i was gonna add it

i just ended up forgetting..

ill probably add it soon

[native folio]

That's good news

Running out of wood is quite annoying in the mines

[native folio]

What about castle doors?

[coarse knot]

in what way?

[native folio]

Huge doors

[coarse knot]

I’ve considered huge doors but they’re kinda weird to implement

Since it they’re wider then they can’t just be contained within a single block

And opening them would be weird with blocks in the way of their swing path

[glad forge]

But consider

https://tenor.com/view/opening-door-open-doors-aragorn-lotr-gif-15869744048027043447

[coarse knot]

i mean youre welcome to help me make it

[keen hedge]

uhm my main got permed

this is a new account 😭

idk if ownership of a thread can be transfered

[glad forge]

Big rip

[fallen lion]

F

[analog ore]

It cannot :/

[keen hedge]

I kinda wanna work on an update but idk what to add

I’m kinda out of ideas

Oh wait no I’m not I just don’t know how to make block entities

I could make decorative metal furnishings like candleholders plates bowls cups and chandeliers

And probably way more

The idea originally though was that you could pick these up and use them as a fluid vessel and place them down and see the fluid inside of them

[analog ore]

I can connect you to a dev to help you learn this if you want?

[keen hedge]

Idk I’ll try it on my own first

[keen hedge]

I’m in Japan rn and thinking of new stuff to add

Maybe I could implement large doors along with sliding doors

Point being they can’t open if they have blocks blocking their second position

[sharp basin]

Hello how can i disable the worldgen of new rocks?

[ancient flower]

It looks like DecoFirmaCraft is crashing on launch with TFC 3.2.17 and 3.2.18

(someone else reported on github, I can confirm and added my own crash log)

https://github.com/Ankmaniac/decofirmacraft/issues/9

[keen hedge]

Download the alternative file with no rocks in the title instead

[keen hedge]

Is this the newest version

[ancient flower]

Yes

[keen hedge]

Aw man

Ok well I can’t fix it until I’m back and that’s not until 2 weeks from now

[keen hedge]

Also thinking back to shingles I should add half shingles for lower grade angles and you swap between both types by just crafting them

[leaden grove]

Nice large TFC doors would be amazing!

and cause I love castles i need to ask if you could add a portcullis so I can finally get rid of my reliance on create.

[keen hedge]

What’s a portcullis

Are they those lifting doors

Or gates

Or like those extending gate bridges

[keen hedge]

Oh they are

I mean if I were to add one I wouldn’t animate it opening or closing

Now that I think about it I’d implement it in a way that you could make it modularly and scale it up by adding more gate blocks and on the top there’d be a special gate container or whatever so it doesn’t leave a big gap in walls

And also probably a redstone controlled version of that container so you can open and close it with a lever or something

[leaden grove]

Im fine with no animation.

You could also do more of a "blocky animation" though? Like it lifts/lowers 1 block at a time

[keen hedge]

Oh that makes sense

Actually yeah I’d do it like that idk why I didn’t think of that

[keen hedge]

New idea so I don’t forget - aluminum is a later tier of brass, so it can make those random tools but even stronger

Also metal spindle from brass and aluminum

[keen hedge]

Just thought of another idea, large ctm block that just has a simple outline like smooth stone, but you can right click it with a hammer to switch it to connect to an alternative setup

So you can make patterns on large floors or walls of stone..

[keen hedge]

Oh another idea is opaque or semi transparent glass

Maybe expanding on foggy glass to also have the other colors..

[green chasm]

Hey just dropping in to let you know that I've also run into the same crash between DFC and TFC.

I saw you weren't gonna be able to work on it until just recently. Really like the mod, looking forward to playing with it again ^^

[keen hedge]

Yeah I was working on it yesterday I have to leave again tomorrow so I’ll drop a quick fix today for newer tfc versions

Can u send the crash log btw idk if it’s just a gradle thing or if they updated something in specific that broke it

Also should add copper as a lead substitute for leaded glass so people playing without the new ores can still get it..

[green chasm]

Sure let me make a new instance for this

Here you go, here's the file. All thats in this instance is TFC and DFC on neoforge latest

If you need the full log and not just the crash report let me know, it may be a hot minute before I can get you that though as I am literally about to step out for something

[keen hedge]

Wow that was fast

Should be enough thanks!

[keen hedge]

i found out what it was they just changed something very small in block registration for no reason

easy fix.....

i think this might actually break it with old tfc versions

[keen hedge]

0.8.1 notes
• fixed for newer tfc versions, i dont think itll work for older versions now sorry but i havent tested
• added large stone bricks, crafted like regular bricks except instead of a brick item it uses smooth stone, test it out!
• columns now act as supports with a 9x9x2 area, only supporting 1 block above and the layer on the same level as the column, since they cant collapse like supports and are super compact. should make for nice cave bases

also wont upload a norocks version until i find a way to fix that bug that breaks ore gen

but i did upload the noores version..

oh also unmentioned i made native aluminum only spawn in arctic conditions (sub -18 temps) but its much more common over there, aluminum powder acts as a substitute for kaolinite powder so if you live far north might be worth it to go mining instead of a trip for kaolin

@green chasm @ancient flower fix is up..

[green chasm]

Thanks man, you're awesome, tested again in the launcher/instant I had and it seems to work just fine now

[keen hedge]

Big things are coming in the non tool metals community

[glad forge]

Consider
lead pipes

[keen hedge]

I did consider deeply and I’ve decided it’s too advanced for me rn

[glad forge]

So what you're saying is, I have to add lead pipes?

[keen hedge]

If I have to go in detail it’s that I decided that lead pipes recreating the steel pipes in base tfc isn’t really worthwhile because the pump is still locked behind steel and at that point it doesn’t actually do much, so I decided that the best implementation would be for a pre steel pipe that acts like a aqueduct that can move water upwards, but doesn’t create source blocks, but that’s too complicated for me

Also I wanted them for the modular frame block idea that I’ll make some day so you can run pipes between your walls and that only adds onto it

[dapper copper]

What about adding small stone arches?

[keen hedge]

Example?

I think that’s one of those things that’s best created with stairs but if there’s like a nice way to model it then I might do it

[dapper copper]

I mean one block wide ones

And a semi full kinda block that you could put underneath to make the arched openings taller

[keen hedge]

Semi full?

[dapper copper]

Like a “hole” or empty area in the middle

[dapper copper]

Which would allow to make these types of openings

[keen hedge]

Ohhh I get you like a small hall block

Or stone window opening?

[dapper copper]

Just a stone opening

One block wide ish

[keen hedge]

Yeah I’ll model and test it out that sounds cool

[dapper copper]

Thanks 🙏

[dapper copper]

Windows would be cool too, but it’d probably require too many variants to be easy to make

[keen hedge]

I was considering macaws type windows but I’d have to come up with something satisfying

I don’t think I’ll do stone windows

[dapper copper]

Yeah I figured

That’s why I removed my message

It was a far fetched idea

[keen hedge]

If anything maybe if I like how that stone opening comes out I’d make it so you can right click it with a pane to put a window in it

[dapper copper]

That would be nice ngl

Good luck either way!

[keen hedge]

Alright

[fallen lion]

Ngl I wish TFC had more compat mods for existing deco mods, like Building but better and the newer Macaws mods

[keen hedge]

What are the features you want from them

[keen hedge]

I could add them to this

[fallen lion]

Mostly material compatibility, bc Every Compat is a little heavy for me

Building but better has some really nice structural blocks and stuff, like lattices..

[keen hedge]

I meant like which in specific do you think are missing

[fallen lion]

Building but better has some absolutely amazing frame blocks and railings, which idk if you have anything like that already

The frames are dynamic, connecting like glass panes

And Macaws has some really nice metalwork items, like the chandeliers and various metal fences they recently added

As well as the new stair mod they made..

[keen hedge]

I’ve gotta look into this

Macaws really is the goat of bloat

I admire his mods

If you have any screenshots to provide that’d be great I can’t really look into it rn because I’m away from home for a bit

[fallen lion]

True, but I do love options...

These are some of the things I talked about

[keen hedge]

That’s a lot of fences

Maybe I could make it so every metals fence shape applies to all other fences too

So there’s like 7 fences for each metal

[fallen lion]

It's just variations of the same shape, but idm just having like one or two of these

[keen hedge]

Well I did consider it before but I ultimately decided that metal bars do the job already but maybe more variants would work

[fallen lion]

Fair enough

[keen hedge]

I’ll see

[fallen lion]

Maybe a topper piece for it, if that's possible?

[keen hedge]

Also which blocks are the frames

[keen hedge]

I can make them have connecting textures so they top off on their own

[fallen lion]

The bits around the fire place

[fallen lion]

Nice

I love me some spikey gothic metal fences

[keen hedge]

That’s pretty cool

That’s just from one block?

[fallen lion]

Yeah!

It's super cool looking

[keen hedge]

I’ll test that out that’s really cool

[fallen lion]

Building but better has some small but really nice looking bits and bobs I really like

[keen hedge]

Also the railings I’ll check those out too

Already thinking about metal stuffs like chandeliers candle holders and plates and things of that nature

[fallen lion]

Lovely :]

I adore stuff that helps add tiny details to stuff

[keen hedge]

Yeah me too it’s just hard to implement in a way that doesn’t just come off as bloat

[fallen lion]

That's fair, lol

[keen hedge]

But metal decorations would add more value to metal and especially those that don’t have any other use than alloying so I’m sure on adding them

[fallen lion]

It's really easy to accidentally bloat a decoration mod, I'd say

[keen hedge]

Yeah macaws is a good example

If it only had like one variant for each decoration it’d be fine but it has like 6 chair variants and 4 tables and so on

[fallen lion]

Yeah, it's both a blessing and a curse

[keen hedge]

Also can u show them I wanna see..

[fallen lion]

Yeah sure lemme pull up a world with them

It's a smaller deco mod though

Compared to Macaws or Cluttered anyways

Okay so Building but better's fencing seems broken rn? It's just metal fencing like from Macaws tho

[keen hedge]

Wdym

[fallen lion]

It crashes my game when I try to place them next to the same fence block?

Anyways, here's a photo of some of the small stuff the mod has

The majority of the mod is block state variants that you get via the mod's hammer item tho

[keen hedge]

Oh kinda like my mods columns

[keen hedge]

Are those stone railings that are only placed next to different types of stone the ones that crash

I’ll look into the frame block and lattices but idk if I’d add lattices

Also a stone railing block

And proper wooden railings

[fallen lion]

No, it's just the metal fences

[fallen lion]

Tbf I'd be absolutely delighted with just a mod that had those wooden frames

[keen hedge]

Are those in between blocks also the frames or is that a separate block

[fallen lion]

The stone in the back or the brick outcropping on the sides

Bc the stone in the back is another separate block

[keen hedge]

I meant in these

Also what’s the block in the back

[fallen lion]

It's the frame, one of the blockstates

[fallen lion]

Polished stone

[keen hedge]

What does it look like it’s hard to tell in the screenshot

Looks like it has ctm sorta?

[fallen lion]

It's a pretty plain block, but it connects to the same block right above it like sideways bricks

Not sideways, up facing

[keen hedge]

now that i think about it i was thinking of adding chainlink fences but didnt bother making the wire items that would be required for it

[fallen lion]

Fair

I think Immersive engineering has a wire item

You could make that an optional compat

[fallen lion]

Or that one tfc item addon with wires also

[keen hedge]

i think if i would add wires itd be as an item by default and if used with tfc ie or with that addon itd swap to those instead and remove the recipe

[fallen lion]

Fair

[keen hedge]

Gonna add metal “redstone” lanterns

Just redstone lanterns with different metal trim recolors that act as the already existing lanterns

[cobalt crest]

im making a pack to play for myself that integrates tfc better into immersive engineering using the tfc ie compat, i was planning to remove the smelting of aluminum and making it an endgame product used in the best gear from immersive, by making a difficult process, then i remember cyrolite and you had a process already made in your pack!

ill be editing your process/ores so theres two ways to get it, the hard way to get it using your cyrolite method, then by immersives arc furnace from bauxite (the modern method irl)

ty for that recipe, :D

now i can focus on making biodiesel slightly better

[keen hedge]

Oh that’s cool!

I was gonna add some tfc ie compat by either turning off my metal or making their recipes use mine

It’s hard to decide because idk to what extent aluminum is used and if it’d negatively affect progression

[cobalt crest]

aluminum is used in IE for high voltage stuff

and its used for some cool equipment, like the hang glider

and railgun

normally you can just mine bauxite and get it immediately, but im gonna lock it behind the blast furnace

ive downloaded the dfc no ores version but it seems to have removed every tfc ore, so ive gotta figure out what i did wrong XD

or maybe gem ores just spawn differently from metal ores

ive found a few gem ores but not a single metal ore and ive been flying around in spectator for a few minutes, ill try without dfc rq to see if thats the issue

i mustve installed it wrong, its working now

I want to make it so only the tfc crossover ore generates, then i want to make it melt into alumina and not aluminum. Then remove the dusts melting into aluminum as well, gotta figure out how to do that.

also im unsure how to stop the other bauxites from spawning

[keen hedge]

Yeah tfc worldgen is incredibly finicky idk why it does that

[cobalt crest]

i saw someone up earlier in this chat using kjs to do it, so im trying that now

unless you had an easier way

[keen hedge]

Should be fine to overwrite the dfc oregen files with something that nullifies them like how you disable recipes

[cobalt crest]

would this work
ServerEvents.tags('worldgen/placed_feature', event => {
event.remove('tfc:in_biome/veins', 'tfc:vein/lignite')
})

but replacing tfc with dfc and the name bauxite

[keen hedge]

Also the way to make the dusts not melt into aluminum is by overwriting the melting recipe to be alumina ibstead

[cobalt crest]

gotcha

[keen hedge]

I’m not sure idk how to use kjs

[cobalt crest]

what was your method, by overwriting dfc files

idk how to use kjs either

datapack?

[keen hedge]

You know how you can disable a recipe by overwriting it in a datapack with a file that effectively does nothing

[cobalt crest]

yeah

[keen hedge]

Tfc does it with a lot of vanilla recipes

[cobalt crest]

i see

[keen hedge]

I think if you do that over a worldgen feature it should be able to disable it but I’m not sure I’ve never done it

[cobalt crest]

Im thinking since dfc includes platinum, making that a requirement for the diesel generator somehow.
like how catalytic convertors use platinum group metals as a catalyst

[keen hedge]

Maybe heavy machine blocks need platinum or something

I’m not sure I tried to think of uses for platinum and they’re all modern

[cobalt crest]

im unsure why this isnt making the small bauxite melt into alumina

this is like the first time im ever touching any recipes ever

I should make a simpler recipe to see if the datapack works at all

it is detected in datapack lists

ah wait its a txt not a json

that was the previous world

still didnt work

[keen hedge]

It has to be for the tfcie namespace not tfc

[cobalt crest]

ah

[keen hedge]

The way you have it set up it’s creating a new recipe that goes under tfcs namespace

[cobalt crest]

i did try randomly changing a quern recipe but it also doesnt work

this stuff is so complicated i dont get it XD

does jei show updated recipes immediately? that could be it

ive been using jei to check

[keen hedge]

It should show it whenever you reload the datapack

[cobalt crest]

kk

so ima backtrack so i understand this rq

this is just taking a random log and making a quern recipe, reloading does nothing im so confused

this should just be base tfc

ive been working on this for 3 hours and i havent got a single recipe done l,l

like is that filepatch for the datapack right?

thats the only thing i can think im doing wrong atp

[keen hedge]

I think data packs need you to pass it through data first in the tree

Let me check..

[cobalt crest]

i can try it rq while you do

[keen hedge]

It’d be data/(namespace)/recipes/quern/cool.json

[keen hedge]

Yeah like that

[cobalt crest]

i tried it, doesnt seem to work still

[keen hedge]

Also how are you reloading the datapack

[cobalt crest]

./reload

[keen hedge]

Does that actually work

[cobalt crest]

thats how vanilla minecraft documentation said to reload datapacks

how should i do it?

[keen hedge]

I restart the game but that’s because the way forge does integrated data packs for mods you have to rebuild the mod every time you change it

I think the way you gave works for just a datapack though..

[cobalt crest]

ill try reloading rq

restarting i mean

nope

yeah im stumped XD

ive moved it to content dev, since this isnt really related to dfc anymore

[cobalt crest]

Ank does asbestos ore generate?

im thinking of using it as insulation for a couple blocks

main one being a boat that works in lava

[keen hedge]

No it doesn’t generate yet

I’ve still got it on my to do to add asbestos fibers from grinding the ore, weaving that into asbestos cloth, then you can craft insulation from the cloth and if you right click wood planks with it it turns it into insulated planks that can’t catch fire

[cobalt crest]

ah ok

[keen hedge]

Maybe I could make gold and silver way rarer and then add gold alloys for different karat scales

But might be a problem gameplay wise when getting colored steels since it’d make black bronze and the gold alloys way harder to get..

[cobalt crest]

well currently, the deep veins for gold are bigger than most tfc houses

silver is similar, just a bit smaller

[keen hedge]

Yeah deep gold veins are hundreds if not thousands of ingots and kinda common

Like once you find one you have practically infinite gold

[cobalt crest]

mhmm

changing them to be the same rarity but the size of like a gem vein might even be fine

that may be a bit much, and makes building using colored steels alot harder, might need some tweaking

[fallen lion]

Why is gold used so often in TFC crafting? It's not that useful in comparison to other metals

[cobalt crest]

its used in black bronze, which is used in colored steel

its not used anywhere else iirc

[cobalt crest]

god im terrible at art, but this is what ive got

@keen hedge

the textures are just grayscaled tfc textures, but i really like the idea of asbestos as a crafting recipe in my pack

[keen hedge]

Oh the problem isn’t implementing the recipes

[cobalt crest]

ye ik, i just wanted to let you know im using your asbestos

its a very cool idea

[keen hedge]

Actually it is implementing the recipe in which I mean adding an insulation recipe type for when you right click a block with insulation

[cobalt crest]

yeah that sounds difficult

could be used as blast furnace insulation, too

that might break progression a bit too much, though

was that what you meant by insulation, or was it another block

oh yeah the fireproofing, i remember

[cobalt crest]

hey im having some trouble with your heating recipes

im trying to normalise the aluminum melting recipe across my pack, but half the recipes arent going down

while some are

the datapack seems fine

and theres the file, 680 should be dark red

is there a different file location with some of the aluminum heating recipes?

[fallen lion]

If I eated it would I die

[keen hedge]

They’re in the sub file aluminum

[cobalt crest]

ohh i see

why did half of them work then, thats why i didnt check my file path XD

[keen hedge]

please refer to the github when trying to modify recipes

[cobalt crest]

ty

[keen hedge]

probably worked as a second valid recipe or something like that

or overwrote it

[cobalt crest]

ah

[fallen lion]

Ankmaniac, let us eat Asbestos as a joke config (gives you poison or withering or smth, kills you)

[keen hedge]

I’m not even sure if that’s possible with a config

Unless if I make it a completely different item

Actually it probably is..

[fallen lion]

I would be confused if you couldn't

Like, turning off and on smth?

[keen hedge]

No just the way items are registered like it’d still be a food item internally you just wouldn’t be able to right click and eat it

[fallen lion]

Fair

[keen hedge]

yeah idk..

[cobalt crest]

i feel itll be better in a whole pattern yknow

like, on its own its not the best, but with a whole window surrounded itll look really good

[dapper copper]

That looks great

It would be nice with some kinda upper part too though (arched or flat)

But I think it looks great

[keen hedge]

if i do add it itd have a upper blockstate

[dapper copper]

I’m sorry but what is an upper blockstate?

[keen hedge]

a blockstate that identifies if its on the top of a stack of them

so itd form an arch

[fallen lion]

That looks very cool

[teal raven]

Pewter heat definitions

[keen hedge]

Are they missing

[teal raven]

Perhaps. I have a sneaking suspicion

[keen hedge]

This is heartbreaking

[teal raven]

You know what happens when I catch something with missing gear definitions don’t you?

https://tenor.com/view/death-star-gif-14758637425007366681

A solid few blocks are missing the ‘tfc:can_collapse’ tag too.

[keen hedge]

remade the small brick textures

also the current road texture is gonna be changed to a ctm block and small bricks will be their own block now

youll be able to craft roads by themselves in a crafting grid into small bricks and all road decorative variants like stairs and slabs will drop their small brick versions instead..

[fallen lion]

Slayyy!!

[keen hedge]

roads reworked..

[keen hedge]

Thinking about what from this I would add and I’m thinking that probably just the railings

But in a very different way

I’ll design some models tomorrow but I think I could make some cool stone and metal railings..

Also the frames but idk I’m not really convinced on adding them

[fallen lion]

Real,,

And that's okay

I sorta wish there was a mod with JUST the frames

[cobalt crest]

can you recreate this?

[keen hedge]

Oh

Yeah I should like fix that

[keen hedge]

I wonder how expansive trimming is

Maybe I can add trims for tools and weapons so you can gild your stuff

[cobalt crest]

Hmm

thatd be cool, the closest thing i can think of to that is tinkers construct, although most of the time you make your weapon look like a patchwork quilt

being able to select what color and how it looks i bet you could make some really pretty stuff

(rather than just making a meta immortal tool like in tinkers)

[keen hedge]

Yeah it wouldn’t affect stats just like add a golden hilt to your steel sword or something

Idk if I’d add customizing how it looks though but maybe

Maybe just 2 things you can gild the handle and adding a little stud at the bottom of the handle

And if it has a hilt that’d also gild the hilt

I’ll do the math for how many items it’d add but probably less than like 400 and I wouldn’t have them show up in jei

[cobalt crest]

yee that sounds cool

[keen hedge]

idk

maybe too detailed

[teal raven]

Idk, for TFC that seems normal. Look at the anvil

[sage venture]

^

[keen hedge]

those who manually write every single possible condition

[cobalt crest]

https://tenor.com/view/yandere-dev-yandere-dev-else-if-meme-gif-17387355

[cobalt crest]

hmm

maybe make fences not connect since it looks a bit jarring

esp with the missing texture interior

[keen hedge]

its just a clone of fences internally

i did that for testing if it worked

it connects to any non solid block in the fence tag

[cobalt crest]

nice

[keen hedge]

what do people think of fountains..

ive thought of it since last year but never prototyped it becuase it doesnt seem like a very good addition

kinda like this

[arctic locust]

I'd love to see fountains honestly

[cobalt crest]

Im unsure how youd get the water.

a pump beneath a multiblock-like thing could be cool

so like, youd have a basin made of bricks, then a fountain pillar thing in the middle and if you have a pipe with pump underneath it fills the basin and you can drink from it

theres probably a more easy way to do that

[arctic locust]

It makes sense that it'd require a pump, I can imagine a steel pipe attached at the bottom and the fountain being two blocks tall so it could also have a water pool

[keen hedge]

Yeah I’m not connecting it to the pump system

Mostly because the pump system is kinda garbage and hard to expand on

[cobalt crest]

fair

[keen hedge]

You can’t add pipes to the end of a pump to extend its range

So I can’t have it hook up to pumps

So instead I was thinking maybe its just a fluid container and doesn’t have flowing elements

Maybe mechanical power can be run through it to pump water internally?

Idk

[cobalt crest]

oooooo

[sage venture]

Oh hell yeah

[keen hedge]

Gonna prototype fountains and statues tomorrow

I’ll see if I can come up with something cool and worthwhile..

[leaden grove]

For fountains, can I suggest taking inspiration from the Dawn of time: builders edition mod? I like their fountain blocks

[keen hedge]

I was thinking of doing multi block fountains their implementation is cool

Also their use of spouts as it’s own block too

[leaden grove]

Its mainly the spouts I was referring to

[keen hedge]

negative space in models is so cool

[keen hedge]

also a wooden crate model thats sorta 3d

gonna replace the default plank texture with something else but i think its cool so far

[dapper copper]

ok, thanks!

[keen hedge]

Gonna start updating to 1.21 today

And probably gonna split the new metal types to their own mod along with a bunch of other metal items like non tool metal tools and weapons and arsenic + arsenic bronze

And gonna keep the decorative metal blocks and new metal decorations in dfc

[teal raven]

Thank you. The additional metals are a little problematic when you have other mods.

[lethal glen]

Just to check, colums work like supports right? But a bit better?

I'm currently in 0.8.0

[keen hedge]

I don’t remember which version adds them as supports it’s one of the new ones

But they act as supports for only 1 block above so they’re not very useful for mining but they’re pretty good for supporting a building or underground structure since they’re compact

And can float..

[lethal glen]

Yeah, I've been delving a dwarven hall, and it has been rough to say the least

random underground air pockets causing 30 block chain collapses of tunnel

then after 1 collapse, it becomes infinitely times easier to collapse again

[keen hedge]

Yeah a strategy I use when my mine supports fail and it becomes uncontrollable with supports is cover the bottom of the roof with planks

Then its guaranteed to not collapse again

[lethal glen]

How does refining bauxite work? JEI says it's 1mb to 1 flux, how does that process in a bloomery?

[keen hedge]

its identical to steel processing

each alumina bearing item thats put into the blast furnace needs a piece of flux to match it then you put charcoal in

oh also needs cryolite

wait nvm i have it backwards you use cryolite instead of charcoal but you have to keep the block heated

[lethal glen]

gotcha

I think the modpack I'm on removed the cryolite requirement

seems it also stops me somehow from casting alumina...

[keen hedge]

What modpack is this

[lethal glen]

I figured it out, apparently bauxite melts rather low, but alumina melts at brilliant white

but it's TFC Evolved

[keen hedge]

Bauxite melts low?

Is it the tfcie bauxite ore

I think they might’ve messed up when adding compat

Also alumina and aluminum are different items

Think of alumina like cast iron and aluminum like wrought or steel

[cobalt crest]

yeah i noticed i had to lower bauxite mp in my pack with tfcie

probably smth on their end

[lethal glen]

yeah they used the TFC + IE crossover

[rough owl]

🔥

A lot of packs have stuff like aluminium already (TFCxIE or Kubejs) so it should make it easier to use DFC in packs.

[keen hedge]

Thinking of adding some semi ctm cloths that go over blocks

Like to line a table or counter or whatever

Gonna test it out tomorrow..

[teal raven]

That sounds nice. A bit like create’s table cloths.

[keen hedge]

Wait what are creates table cloths

[leaden grove]

create's tablecloths have a similar appearance, but also include two functions, 1 you can place items on tablecloths for display, or you can turn them into a shop.

[keen hedge]

Oh I probably wouldn’t have that shop functionality

Also thinking of possible extra container options

Shelves and cabinets come to mind but there’s probably more too

[rough owl]

How about being able to place jugs, bottles, bowls, etc on them.

Since they are presumably going to be a block shaped something like a carpet you won’t be able to use V to place stuff on them.

It does suck a bit as that idea for them would make more sense in 1.21.1 as placed vessels and I think maybe jugs have unique models.

[keen hedge]

Damn I hadn’t considered that

Thats really hard to implement I think the way shelves do it is by cloning the placed object object but with a shelf on top of it

[leaden grove]

Shelves are in 1.21.1

But like a smaller shelf that only holds 2 items would honestly be cool. maybe a cabinet could be like a shelf but enclosed?

[keen hedge]

I meant like a jarbnet as a shelf

I think that’s what they’re called

[leaden grove]

OH! those

yeah those would be amazing to have

[keen hedge]

Also thinking of removing thin outline and replacing it with a ctm smooth stone for 1.21

I just included it because it was in the original tfc additions but honestly I think it was a bad decision to have both

[keen hedge]

Pretty much finished setting up for a 1.21 port now it’s just registering and doing datagen for like a thousand blocks

[keen hedge]

Also seeing the idea of obsidian as a tool head type has given me the idea of a glass type you can knap from

[cobalt crest]

yeah higher tier stone stuff would be really cool

[keen hedge]

Obsidian and glass could be broken into shards that can then be made into tool heads or bricks in obsidians case

[cobalt crest]

like flint+obsidian

[keen hedge]

Yeah that and bone too

[cobalt crest]

2x durability and 3x durability stone tools

obsidian could have a special 2x damage modifier too, since its super sharp

make stone spear spam even more broken

[keen hedge]

Would glass and bone even be usable as tools

I think bone is but glass is mostly for weapons because of how sharp it is

[cobalt crest]

yeah

rock and glass are both brittle but sharp

[keen hedge]

Fuck datagen were reusing the old files

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333230343729184860/1418952950230945812/image0.gif

https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-daioh-koyomi-mizuhara-yomi-tomo-takino-cat-costume-gif-1419745237399073391

[keen hedge]

what would be another name for smooth stone

maybe i make smooth stone itself a ctm block or i add the ctm version as its own thing

[keen hedge]

Also maybe a mural block? Like chiseled stone but made from large bricks instead of regular bricks

If I were to do that I’d ask someone else to make the textures I’m not very good at detailed stuffs

[lethal glen]

Polished

[teal raven]

Smoother stone

[keen hedge]

This is what I put as a placeholder but probably will just go with this

[finite forum]

silky smooth stone

[teal raven]

Roughn’t stone

[keen hedge]

what do people think of sandstone as a rock type

[keen hedge]

man coding is so easy when you can reuse like 95% of it

[teal raven]

On one hand, it would make cool desert caves. On the other hand, there are multiple types of sandstone.

[cobalt crest]

itd be very cool, yeah

i live near a sadstone area

[lethal glen]

Sandstone and terracotta rock types would be very nice

[rough owl]

I think to consolidate the list, yellow and red sandstone would make sense instead of every colour in badlands

[keen hedge]

Yeah I was thinking just yellow and red but my main issue is like how do I get it only generating in dry areas

Or rather how do I make it less out of place everywhere else

[keen hedge]

i have it with 3 states rn ill lower it to 2 you can swap between..

[keen hedge]

i think i got all the hardcoded rock stuffs done also rails dont connect to wood fences anymore..

still have to do the new rock type textures and data files though..... ill just do metal registrations tomorrow

[toxic heron]

how are there no snow bricks yet?

[keen hedge]

i never even thought of that thats a cool idea

[toxic heron]

have some snow bricks

WHY IS IT CIRCLE

ok if you download it its a square ok good

[keen hedge]

ill add that rn or maybe soon

[toxic heron]

okedoke!

[keen hedge]

fully functional goblets that display the drink and can be picked up and used like a jug

jotred made the base implementation for 1.20 and helped me port it to 1.21 pretty much all thanks to him

[keen hedge]

I’m planning out plates and bowls rn how should they render food

I’m thinking maybe plates have a tag for acceptable food and then it just renders that food on top of it like a sandwich or steak

And bowls would have their own tag with custom models for each food type in it since it’d have to fill the bowl?

[toxic heron]

maybe just the item texture flat on top?

soups and salads wont work with this method, but plates should be easy

[keen hedge]

That’s what I was thinking for plates

Also what are more decorative metal things I could add

I already have chandeliers and candleholders in mind

[keen hedge]

which is better

[lethal glen]

Left, right, left, right

[sonic dagger]

Left, left, right, right

[umbral skiff]

Right, left, left, right

[toxic heron]

Left

[keen hedge]

should it be desaturated or not

[finite forum]

you are the GOAT

[keen hedge]

the blueschist is the lower saturation one and it still stands out too much

[cobalt crest]

hmm

i think the texture might need touched up

the color looks fine its just the variation

[keen hedge]

In what way?

Do you mean the banding

[cobalt crest]

Its hard to say, id definitely get some second opinions

somebody with better art skills than me, idk how to descibe it

[keen hedge]

made bluestone more muted and made arkose more contrasted

[lethal glen]

this is nice

[keen hedge]

good enough

[finite forum]

the purple and black one is pretty good

[keen hedge]

is travertine too yellow now

might have to make it more desaturated

[cobalt crest]

thatd make it look too much like limestone

what do they look like side by side @keen hedge ?

[keen hedge]

okay so i basically reverted the color pallete but at least the textures are slightly better..

[cobalt crest]

i see

[keen hedge]

ignore the wrong cobble that was a model error

im pretty happy with how this is going

need to do flint peridotite and another rock type i havent decided yet

probably ignimbrite to go under tuff and pumice

[keen hedge]

the colors are awful but the pattern is promising

[keen hedge]

finding a good pallete is so hard

[keen hedge]

im not really happy with it i think ill have it not generate or something

[keen hedge]

i finally got them not looking so bad..

i think..

[final cove]

I think it looks good!

[keen hedge]

all of them are finally done

designing the rock texture itself is the hardest part making the variants is easy..

[final cove]

how many new rocks can we expect?

[keen hedge]

10 + sandstone sort of acts like a rock

Well I guess 5 aren’t new new they were in the 1.20 version but I remade or improved all their textures

[final cove]

Adding actual sandstone bricks??

[finite forum]

This would be huge for dry climate enjoyers

[keen hedge]

Yes

I’ll also add other mud brick blocks but not as much as a new rock type

[final cove]

amazing!

[keen hedge]

not all textures done but most are

[keen hedge]

i just realized why is the black sandstone so dark i used the same color pallete as the cut sandstone

[keen hedge]

I GOT IT WORKING SORT OF

complete victory

[keen hedge]

almost done

im trying to see if theres a way to not show those hitboxes i dont think InteractShape or whatever it is still lets me do the shelf spots the way theyre implemented rn

[arctic locust]

These remind me of BiblioCraft

I used to love the shelves from that when I played 1.7 TFC

[keen hedge]

I never played with bibliocraft before

Are they the same

[arctic locust]

I never really used anything in here besides the item shelves honestly

[keen hedge]

I made a secondary shelf model that looks like those

[arctic locust]

I think BiblioCraft stopped after 1.12

[keen hedge]

Such a 1.7 mod

Might do those display cases

[arctic locust]

Indeed, these were really cool though

[keen hedge]

Might have that as a secondary model you can swap between with a hammer or something

[outer jungle]

bibliocraft was so damn goofy

[keen hedge]

Depends on how I’m feeling tomorrow..

[keen hedge]

I only remember what was shown in ethos terrafirmapunk playthrough

Like the enchantment book copier

Printing press

[wet vapor]

bibliocraft was remade for neoforge 1.21.1
iirc its called bibliocraft legacy on CF

[cobalt crest]

wait the super tiny cups

they are so cute

[keen hedge]

That’s just a placeholder I still have to make a texture for their item form

Otherwise those are already done..

[teal raven]

Welcome back Bibliocraft

[keen hedge]

rendering multiple items underway..

doesnt really work properly yet..

[keen hedge]

almost there

[keen hedge]

im finally done with this

[cobalt crest]

i love the recurring forbidden fire pit character

[keen hedge]

i based the inventory aspect on the grill because they had those red outlined slots on them that i always thought was cool

im thinking now though that ill give shelves a full half block hitbox instead since theyve kinda outgrown the glowing red square..

[keen hedge]

Now I’m gonna work on candleholders and chandeliers..

Planning on having you able to right click a chandelier with a metal rod to make the candleholders on it longer and take more than a block of space

Probably fun to program

[keen hedge]

all thats left now is the BER and voxelshapes and also the particle offsets

[leaden grove]

progress is lookin good!

[keen hedge]

i finished them now its just polishing

the hardest part was getting the candle item as a blockstate i didnt realize you could cast it to BlockItem

im pretty proud of how it came out

but tbh the holders themselves are a bit too bulky might make the hands on them 2d planes or something

[keen hedge]

Guys I need more ideas for what to implement im kinda running out

The rest of what I have is mostly reskins and also plates but tbh programming new stuff is the fun part

[night dove]

Would you be interested in adding furniture? A furniture mod designed with tfc in mind would be great

[arctic locust]

I really liked the fancy stone fences, would you consider adding wood versions? They'd be great for balconies and as railings.

[finite forum]

Add a hefty penny (a huge copper penny)

[cobalt crest]

brick molds for quickly making clay bricks

with the new mud flats you can make thousands upon thousands of clay, but you have to manually make the bricks via knapping

[keen hedge]

I was thinking of making a sub mod called the chairs cut

Because I think adding furniture would be cool but i can also see a lot of people disliking furniture

[keen hedge]

Sure

[keen hedge]

I was thinking about it but if I made brick molds they’d be like a mechanical system thing

[cobalt crest]

hmm

[finite forum]

why would anyone dislike furniture?

especially if its ur own unique take of it

[keen hedge]

For the same reasons people dislike macaws

It kinda goes against the spirit of mc where you build stuff that represents what you want to make and instead just make a block that is exactly that

Also a lot of the times furniture is over detailed and looks out of place

[finite forum]

i think thats stupid tho i must agree i dont like macaws at all

but theres plenty of furniture mods that are rlly nice and its alot of fun being able to make tables and seats

one of my fav mods is a furniture mod

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/cozy-home

this is just beautiful man

[keen hedge]

I mean i still might make furniture

Probably will

Just like some time in the future after doing the metal addon

[limpid swift]

Reminds me of jammy furniture

[toxic heron]

snow bricks

[keen hedge]

Thinking of a storage mod

Or maybe just adding more storage blocks to dfc

I’m not sure

Rn I just have boxed crates, open top crates, expandable cabinets and metal ones too..

Also maybe wooden palletes but idk if they’d fit very well in game

[teal raven]

I feel people would dislike it because it could be in another mod. Current version of DFV for example has lead and aluminium. If you have IE, you get duplicate ore veins.

So naturally if you add furniture within the same mod you get the same issue if you have extra furniture mods.

[outer meteor]

is this mod being ported to 1.21.1?

[keen hedge]

Yeah but I’ve got caught up with something else

[torpid atlas]

Oh yeah, I was wondering why I hadn't seen any updates from this thread in awhile

[keen hedge]

I wanna get back to working on this soon I’ve just been burned out

Have a lot of cool things planned though like cabinets and metal storage blocks

[keen hedge]

I’ve been theory crafting a new system that almost everything would use to build blocks, where instead of crafting the block you’d do a multi step process with a base item like lumber bricks or loose stones and using an expandable registry of modes you could choose what to build

For example with bricks you’d place a brick (it’d have durability that’s used up when processing) then mortar, then brick then mortar until the full block is placed

This could also be used with a skills mod to have low skill carpenters or masons to make poor furniture or blocks, while masters make good ones consistently kinda like in dwarf fortress, in turn allowing mp servers to have specializations like which people rely on to make good items

[leaden grove]

sounds interesting

[winter pulsar]

What would mechanically be the difference between good/poor furniture?

[lost maple]

So like multiblocks?

[keen hedge]

I think the only ones that would have a mechanical difference would be storage blocks which would have varying slots otherwise it’s just the looks

[keen hedge]

No what I was thinking was it’d be purely within the block

I was also thinking of having it take time to do each step but that’s something to iron out in implementation because it might just be more annoying than anything

[keen hedge]

More clay types and also glazes?

[lost maple]

yes why not

[toxic heron]

yussssssssss

[keen hedge]

back on working on chiseled blocks, i was working on how to save their data in block entities since nbt tags cant hold java objects just numbers, so i made a system where when saving itd convert the blockstates (i used to store the type of block in each chunk as their blockstate) into their block id and then convert backwards into a blockstate when reloading. then i realized thats dumb i might as well just store them as their block id in the block entity and only convert back when calculating drops and for baking the block model

at this point i ironed out the bugs for the chiseling and stuff its just making the model baking now....

[keen hedge]

almost done making the baked model system, i took traisters system he made for firmaciv and modified it to accept multiple textures per model, successfully doesnt crash the game, tomorrow its making a data driven system that ties blockstates to textures with json files

[dapper copper]

Nice progress!

[tender igloo]

How we feeling

Slight tint to the mortar of the blocks to lower the incredibly high contrast

Also just quick query about terracotta tiles, why is the colour tint different to the base terracotta tint

[keen hedge]

I was planning on redoing the painted bricks textures whenever I get to them so the mortar was more similar to the bricks color hue wise

[tender igloo]

Snap!

Same lol

[keen hedge]

And also just getting better colors for the paint in the first place, I just used the color palette for wools

[keen hedge]

Wdym?

[tender igloo]

Yeah I was wondering about that too, I made this pretty quickly

Forgive the phone

But it was based around covering a yellow tinted spectrum

Since base Minecraft has very little saturated pastels

Like, it's known for having none

[keen hedge]

If you’re wondering about why there’s a set of terracotta colored tiles it’s because it’s compat for a mod that adds new dyes to the game but the mod never ended up being released so they’re just sitting there now

[tender igloo]

These ones?

[keen hedge]

The direction I was thinking of was more like irl painted bricks with heavy saturation since that’s the first thing that comes to mind when I think of them but I’m not opposed to a block set with pastel colorings

[keen hedge]

Yeah

The guy that made the palette based the colors on terracottas colors

[tender igloo]

No offence I actually couldn't tell

They have so much variance whereas terracotta doesn't

[keen hedge]

I think it’s more obvious with the white terracotta

[keen hedge]

Btw what building material usually has pastel colorings

Maybe plaster

Plaster would work well with that

[tender igloo]

It was only really because in terms of mc building, the extra detail with the mortar isn't actually that useful, as the colour palette is still just the base wool ones, and imo a wider range of hues is infinitely more useful

[tender igloo]

Fair however I would hazard and say the plaster texture is currently just low res random noise and may need work

Currently it's just vanilla concrete powder that isn't affected by gravity

[keen hedge]

Yeah I was gonna rework that one too it was one of the first textures I made

I want to make them more distinct from concrete they kinda fill the same niche imo

[tender igloo]

Btw this may seem like a lot of flaming but i do want u to know I fucking adore the metal textures

Ur genuinely held back by the base tfc ones

[keen hedge]

And I’m also working towards having blocks that can be painted/plastered/wallpapered/concreted on a face by face basis

[tender igloo]

(nickel)

U managed to make BISMUTH look good

Which is a fkin task cause tfc base it looks horrendous

[keen hedge]

Wow thank you no one ever talks about those

[tender igloo]

Personal opinion I would prio the textures first

[tender igloo]

How???

[keen hedge]

The most popular feature is the leaded glass

[tender igloo]

The black bronze one is actually just gorgeous

[keen hedge]

Which idk why I thought my leaded glass was a bit lazy

[tender igloo]

I haven't seen ive only used the curse gallery as reference to look though your asset files

[keen hedge]

Also sorta related but whenever I have time I wanna retexture chrome from firmalife to look less terrible

[tender igloo]

Is it not on there?

[keen hedge]

I have a chrome and stainless steel block set that isn’t actually in the game rn just the textures

[tender igloo]

For some reason the firma ones are like gorgeous or pixel contrast vomit

[keen hedge]

I really like the stainless steel block palette

It’s very nice

Also the chrome block is like inverted

The positioning of the dark and light pixels..

[tender igloo]

I like the rose gold one cause it's a nice saturated peach

Oranges in base game are not great

Oh the other win are the rock bricks

The mortar on those is very subtle and nice

[keen hedge]

I redid the small rock bricks because they were very inconsistent with the rest of the rock color palettes

Idk if I shipped that update

Specifically to remove the mortar..

[tender igloo]

Wait the guys at the bottom

Are they the updated or old ones

[keen hedge]

In that screenshot it’s the old ones

[tender igloo]

Was about to protest but they look good

I am fond of the old but the new matches a lot more

[keen hedge]

I saw a screenshot where someone used the old ones and I noticed that they stuck out from the rest of the brick types and I wanted to make them fit in

Also redid the new stone types since they were also ugly

[tender igloo]

Wait i was gonna mention this LOL

Only cause the current ver it just stuck out for being rgb

The red fills a nice niche of a less yellow tinted red

And the blue is desaturated which is nice

Green kept the saturation and fills the missing forest green hue niche thank god

Lovely update

The beige one next to the green got more yellow which is a positive change for reals too it gets it's own niche

Unsure if the orange one second from the right is claystone tho?

[keen hedge]

That’s flint

Which would be a new type

I wasn’t really satisfied with how it came out but it’s hard to make a color palette where it comes out nice

Btw do you do texture work?

[tender igloo]

Not well lol

I end up editing tho on personal packs

[keen hedge]

Are you good with making color palettes?

[tender igloo]

I can try but I would hazard a guess and say you're better since you managed an entire pack yourself

I can throw suggestions though and attempt swatches too

[keen hedge]

Most of my color palettes are reused from whatever the block variant is based on

[tender igloo]

I've wanted to get into computational colour stuff but I'm a while off doing that and understanding it so it would only really be done by eye sadly

[keen hedge]

I’ve been looking for someone whod be interested in doing texture or palette work since I’m kinda caught up with programming and can’t really make textures rn

[tender igloo]

Like it would be nice to be able to shove in current palettes and see what ones are less covered to make it easier to avoid trodding on another niche

[tender igloo]

Well I'll do the painted bricks and tiles tomorrow probably

Mortar*

[tender igloo]

Can send them here if you would like? I'll keep them wool coloured but would you like tint more or less severe than this

I'm happy with that but would be happy with more or less

[keen hedge]

Could you dm me them when you’re done please

Also with the mortar color I was thinking of it being shifted to more towards the color of the bricks themselves than just a uniform light shift downwards

[tender igloo]

In the pic it is, it's just light enough that it looks similar

Like I tinted each the corresponding but had it less opaque

[tender igloo]

ok here that or less contrast

[keen hedge]

That’s pretty nice actually

Maybe slightly less contrasting

Specifically on the blue

The rest look fine as is

[tender igloo]

thoughts?

@keen hedge

[keen hedge]

Yeah that’s great

Idk if you’re willing to do it but part of the texture rework I was planning was making painted blocks shinier

[tender igloo]

any feedback on individual ones is good

[keen hedge]

Since the wool color palette is very flat it doesn’t show very much luster

[keen hedge]

They’re all fine

[tender igloo]

by shiny you mean?

[keen hedge]

Oh I meant like the mortar colors are fine

[tender igloo]

i had to flatten the light blue and pink ones too btw since the contrast on the brick itself was way too high and cluttered contrast between mortar

that was why earlier u mentioned light blue mortar was too dark, i had it so dark so it actually contrasted whole brick

so i flattened it and then could lower darkness of mortar

[tender igloo]

anyway you do also have the terracotta bricks/tiles that u could use to get a different palette?

[tender igloo]

these

if u wanted a brighter colour palette u could just completely reskin all of those

[keen hedge]

Wdym

Like brighten them up?

[tender igloo]

well up to u i meant it as a

if u want to branch out from the wool palette the painted bricks use, u can keep painted bricks as they are, and then reskin the teracotta ones to ur new idea

since idk if the old terracotta ones are gonna get that much use

[tender igloo]

could also try and tint the glazed terracotta tile ones to see if i can get them a bit more glassy looking?

like portugese ceramic tiled house vibe

[keen hedge]

I was planning on removing them anyways

[keen hedge]

I was planning on adding glazes at some point maybe they’d be glazed bricks..

[tender igloo]

Ok how about this

i can up the highlights and shadows to try make it a bit glossier?

cause in fairness the brick texture makes less sense if it looks glossy, the tiled one makes more sense to be very glass/glossy

since its easier to fire flat tiles with a glaze

this reads abit better

[keen hedge]

This is the kinda thing that’s hard to tell until you see it in game

[tender igloo]

hey im quite happy

want me to do the ceramic tiles in this style?

[keen hedge]

Can you show them next to the old ones

[keen hedge]

Idk something feels off still

I think the second brightest color needs to be slightly brighter and the darker colors used specifically for the shaded side need to be slightly darker

[tender igloo]

currently cant in game since i retextured with a pack

well i could just retexture something else to the old blue tile

[keen hedge]

I mean like retexturing another block to be it

Probably terracotta tiles or something

[tender igloo]

these are nice at least

[keen hedge]

Yeah those are great

[keen hedge]

oh yeah thats a big improvement

you know what maybe it should be that the second brightest color is replaced by the color of the single dot in the corner and the single dot in the corner doesnt exist anymore

[tender igloo]

i think thats a bit far

[keen hedge]

you gotta see it in game

also the rest of the edge needs to be the old second brightest color now

[tender igloo]

one moment loading it

i dont hate it

any further tho and its at risk of becoming cartoony

[keen hedge]

yeah thats more what i was thinking

[tender igloo]

so maybe i would tone down the highlight a tad

[keen hedge]

as in thats what i envisioned the block should look like

[tender igloo]

but yeah i agree

[keen hedge]

i think it needs to be more varied

[tender igloo]

yeah ive not noised it

im gonna try and maintain the same noise between blocks

but its quite hard given i only have the final export

[tender igloo]

also quite hard since i tinted the highlight blue and shadow pink slightly so i may end up doing them all by hand and they turn out a bit different

it doesnt bother me but in case thats a big no no for u i will give maintaining noise a go

[keen hedge]

hue shifting is good

forgot to mention it

[keen hedge]

also what program are you using?

[tender igloo]

dont judge

my king

it has multiply layers etc its all i really need

[keen hedge]

there isnt really a bad answer as long as it lets you draw pixels without antialiasing

and also i prefer if it has a palette feature

[tender igloo]

yep

if i get round to trying a plaster texture, the tiling matters, is there a program that can auto tile something and let you edit one?

[tender igloo]

also @keen hedge does the noise map being the same across colour variants matter to u

[keen hedge]

no i prefer that

[tender igloo]

matching?

[keen hedge]

aseprite

[tender igloo]

will do this tomorrow because it involves making custom noise maps

[keen hedge]

how would you use noise maps?

i thought you could just recolor the original example and save it as a new sample

[tender igloo]

i mean what i would do was make a layer for each unique colour, so i can copy it into each folder

and then just protect alpha change them

[keen hedge]

I should mention that I try to keep every block palette consistent

Its the main reason my textures aren’t computer generated, id do it if i knew how to make them use an inputted palette but they dont

[tender igloo]

can u explain what u mean by that

like what rules

[keen hedge]

I try to make all blocks of the same type share the same palette

This applies to metal rock and painted/colored blocks

So if I make a change to a blocks design it’s easy to modify them all

[tender igloo]

im not trying to be annoying but like, specifically, what does that mean

id rather get it right in one go than do something and have to edit it down

[keen hedge]

Give me a second I’m at a store rn

[tender igloo]

np

[keen hedge]

Ok so like you know a color palette in this case is just a set of all different colors used in a texture right

I try to 1 minimize the colors used to around ~7-9 but it’s flexible

And 2 I also try to get every block that’s meant to be of the same type to use the same color palette

So that blue tile block would use the same sets of colors as blue bricks, blue small tiles, and atleast as the basis for glazed blue tiles

[tender igloo]

isee

might be easiest to code this

never tried before but may be fun to learn

im happy with the palettes from the bricks so will probably just use those + a few extra for more glossy highlights+shadows

have u tried doing it computationally and have any advice, or am i rawdogging it

[keen hedge]

I haven’t done it computationally but I’ve heard python has good libraries for this

I just do it manually using global paint bucket fill

It’s why I said either texture work or just making the palettes since I know most people don’t want to bother making 64 textures manually

[tender igloo]

I like coding

I learnt lua to use computercraft

And I used it once

[keen hedge]

Well if you can manage that’d be great but if not it’s fine I still accept the palettes

[keen hedge]

I’m on the final steps of my dynamic textures system so by tomorrow probably I’ll have a working chiseled blocks implementation

[fallen lion]

Do you plan on updating to 21.1?

[keen hedge]

Yeah I have a bit done for it already but its not close to finished yet

Also I’m vastly expanding the mod so it’ll take a while

https://youtu.be/0ntehclTGcQ

[fallen lion]

Nice

[keen hedge]

VintageStory COPIED me