Sacks 'N Such

[random moss]

The javelin use is good enough it almost makes them viable

[heavy saffron]

true

[flint wave]

you can carry only 32 perfectly straight thin sticks in one slot

but you can carry 64 perfectly straight big arrows in one slot

[torn finch]

@fair oasis

[fair oasis]

nice! ty it has kind of a pain to find these 🙂 do they also have 3d models when wearable?

[torn finch]

Yeah

Meaning to add some screenshots to the Curse and Modrinth pages but I'm kinda lazy

The description is good enough imho

[fair oasis]

yeah i found it on curse the other day but i couldnt actually find out what it added. Altho the ore bag sounds great

[torn finch]

Then you should read better

I list like most of them

[fair oasis]

lol fair

added to the list. Ty for the recomendation 🙂

[pure dragon]

Sacks?

[torn finch]

Sacks what?

[jovial merlin]

it would be neat if the ore sack could take in rocks

[torn finch]

I've thought about that, I think the release isn't "correctly" tag based but it is in dev

Anything with unique restrictions uses a tag now in dev

I think the release just used the tfc:ore_chunks tag or something like that

Could try and do some really shite programmer art and poo out a beta

Lunchbox & Mob net for new stuff

Douno how happy my arm with be atm though. Fell off my bike the other day like a total dummy

[jovial merlin]

also for some reason the automatic picking up didn't seem to work for the ore bag I tried it on to have it on my hotbar, in my belt slot, I guess it only works in your off hand (I didn't try that one)
here is some livestream footage of it skipped to the right time code

[torn finch]

Hmm that seems a bit werid. It's supposed to refill any stacks in your inventory before anything goes into the sacks

I really like seeing you have so many baskets rather than vessels

Seems like they are working out how I want

[jovial merlin]

Oh ok - I kinda expected it to just pickup the ore in it has I picked it up, only being left with the poor ore in my inventory

[torn finch]

Hmm. Oh try shift right clicking

[jovial merlin]

I like the baskets for blocks, I put the gravel and cobble stone in them when mining, the blue vessel holds my money and chalk and the regular one my food

[torn finch]

It's supposed to be enabled by default but it's been a long while since I checked

[jovial merlin]

Will try tomorrow when the server reopens (it is just on 6h a day during the week)

[torn finch]

Though iirc the "Enabled" UI only shows up if both the type can do pickup/voiding & it's actually enabled

[jovial merlin]

I don't remember but I really hope the ore sack doesn't have voiding as an option 😅

[torn finch]

Yeah it should only show up when the container type can do the thing

[torn finch]

It only voids excess that'd have gone into the container but you'd know if it was enabled lol

By default the stacks get an enchant glint when voiding is enabled

[jovial merlin]

btw, it feels a bit weird that baskets can't carry sticks but can saplings, it would make using the scythe on trees much easier if it could

[torn finch]

That's gonna be a size thing

[jovial merlin]

yeah

it makes sense for sticks not to fit in a small vessel, but in a basket it feels a bit odd, maybe it could allow the item with stick tags 🤔

[torn finch]

I mean I could add like an always_fits_in_basket tag or something like that

But I don't really want to overcomplicated it tbh

[jovial merlin]

btw, rosia had a tool belt that was pretty handy to put your tools away when not used - I kinda miss not having that, a knife taking up 1 inventory slot feel a bit rough, I think it could fit well at the iron age, requiring a forged rod for a buckle and a bunch of leather for a couple tool slot

[torn finch]

The only restriction most of the containers has is just TFC size

Course it's configurable but I don't really like the idea of having tags to bypass the restriction

[torn finch]

Yep, wanna have some sort of tool belt

I rather liked the one Lithic had

I feel like I'd probably make it a lot simpler though

[torn finch]

The Straw Basket, Leather Sack and Burlap sack only have size restrictions

Well and they won't let food or TFC ore items inside by default

Ah actually frame pack too

Though iirc they have the same size restriction as TFC chests

[radiant kiln]

If I try to put a forbidden item into a burlap sack (like onion or lapis), it seems to "stick" to my cursor. I have to press more than once in order to put it back into a slot in my inventory.

[torn finch]

Hmm well that shouldn't happen

I've got a potentially broken ankle so I'll probably have a good chunk of time to spend on programming

Waiting on an xray

[radiant kiln]

It doesn't really matter, it was just strange.

Hm... Bandolier o' Bottles -- for all your milk, alcohol and potions.

[jovial merlin]

or an "alchemist" sack

(to be fair I have been using waterskins for my aged alcohol because they fit in small vessels, while bottles don't)

[torn finch]

Nah that's a bug. Something isn't working correctly

I had to rewrite pretty much all the menu handling to support slot sizes over 64

So I've got something wrong somewhere

I'm aware of some problems with dragging which might be the cause

[pale linden]

I second the idea of a “bottle bag”

[jovial merlin]

how can I enable inventory interaction, I just made some burlap bags, but it is off by default on them 😦

[torn finch]

Server config

[jovial merlin]

Oh that is sad, I thought they were toggles on the client side 😦

it makes them not as useful as I had hoped

(guess I will tell the admin to turn it on - it is just basic convenience)

[torn finch]

They hold more stuff

It's supposed to be a choice between holding more but being less convenient

8 slots at 48 capacity

I've been slowly writing some entries in the book for the items

Should help a bit but perhaps the tooltip is confusing

Should Inventory Interaction just not show up if it's disabled?

I thought it made sense to have it always showing so people would know why they couldn't do it for some items

[jovial merlin]

I thought it was a toggle from the looks of it 😅

like you could open it up/use an hotkey to toggle those

[torn finch]

Just pick up and voiding

So tooltip is confusing then

Only show it when it's enabled I guess then

[jovial merlin]

yeah - maybe if the format was different like all red with a "can NOT interact in inventory"

and a green "can interact in inventory"

[torn finch]

I think that's just rephrasing what's already there tbh

Having it show up at all implies you can change it, the obvious assumption is that you can do so in game

But it's a config setting

[jovial merlin]

btw, how can you change voiding/item pickup

I tried Shift+RC and it just moved it around the inventory

(also tried Ctrl+RC and it jdidn't work)

[torn finch]

Yeahhh it's actually just a keybind unless you toggle a client config for it to be shift + right click lol

I don't recall if I set it by default

I'm not super happy with the state that feature is in

Thinking of like having you ctrl click a slot or something instead

[jovial merlin]

I think having toggle buttons inside the bag UI would make the most sense, also, in larger modpack keybinding quickly becomes a nightmare 😅

[torn finch]

I had a button in the UI originally. Didn't carry over when I had to rewrite stuff from 1.12

[jovial merlin]

btw, did your ankle turned out to be broken ?

[torn finch]

Apparently it's not

Just sprained I guess

We love US Healthcare

[flint wave]

how much did you pay

[torn finch]

Douno quite yet

Again US Healthcare

[flint wave]

If its alot

[torn finch]

Only even went cause one of my manager dudes said I'd need a doctors note for today onwards

[flint wave]

then go learn how to set your bones yourself

-# dont

[torn finch]

Came in yesterday with the doctors note and stuff and the actual boss was like "Yeah idk what he's on about"

Like, oh cool okay so how much money did we waste today for no reason

Mom driving me around

I'm not sure wtf the doctor did like notice though cause he squeezed somewhere and it felt like some sorta stick thing was moving around in there

Mom thinks it might have been a tendon

Which like eww dude

Also like it's good to know it's not broken but I didn't think it was broken before we went to the doctor and they pretty confidently said it might be broken after doing some checks and stuff

Poke here, poke there. Move like this. Move like that. Does it hurt when I do this. Can you stand on it ect

[uncut lichen]

hey, found a dupe glitch that doesn't happen in base tfc, only with sacks n such installed. (apologies if this is known already)
affects any item stack as far as i can tell

[torn finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/946205075615924305.png?size=48

That ain't good

[uncut lichen]

nope 🙂

[torn finch]

Just to double check @uncut lichen your using the release? Not the beta?

[uncut lichen]

yes 1.20.1-1.0.0-all

[torn finch]

Fok

Why am I only just getting a report of this 😒

[uncut lichen]

no idea, just guessing that it could be from the previously mentioned funny stack business with making 512 stack size work.. possibly

[torn finch]

No my pickup handling is broke

But that's a super severe bug. You aren't using any of my content and it's happening

So it should have been noticed long before now

[uncut lichen]

interesting that that can even happen

[random moss]

dont you know noone actually plays tfc

[torn finch]

I guess so

I'm looking at like 1k downloads now at least between Modrinth and curse though ank

I'd expect like idk at least a report when it's this severe

Like all you do is pickup enough items to completely refill a stack & create a new one

I'm pretty confident that's what's going on at least

[uncut lichen]

it probably might happen often with sticks and other things but no one notices

[torn finch]

What's baffling is I did make sure it worked properly at some point

So I broke it somehow doing something I didn't expect to change behavior

[uncut lichen]

logs.. hmm this tree sure did have a lot of logs..

[torn finch]

I guess there aren't a lot of opportunities to encounter it, seeing as I'm suspecting it's poor handling of 63 -> 64 + 1 for example

But shoot man

[uncut lichen]

the joy of programming 🙂

[karmic timber]

Huh, I thought fertilizing was just that good

[torn finch]

Huh well that's an interesting problem

Basically vanilla/forge saves a copy of the itemStack before the pickup event is fired

I started doing things "correctly" by swapping out to a new itemStack

My options are either do all of the vanilla handling myself (ugh) or go back to modifying the stack in place :/

Annoying

Least I'll get to see if my CI works as I definitely need to get a release out to fix this

It's also extremely severe, it duplicates the entire picked up stack if it's not entirely consumed by my handling (filling already existing stacks or picked up by one of my containers)

[torn finch]

@uncut lichen https://github.com/Traister101/Sacks-and-Such/releases/tag/v1.1 if you want to get the release early. It'll show up on Curse and Modrinth after awhile

[uncut lichen]

thanks

[torn finch]

Kinda tough sitting here with my foot being all weird

Hurts if I sit too long

Also I spent ages trying to get my CI working lol

Will have to mess with it again by the 15 anyway 😒

[uncut lichen]

yay, just tested it, could not dupe my thatch anymore 🙂

and unrelated but just found out that horses get disconnected from astikor carts when the server restarts

[torn finch]

Yup. Did some testing myself to discover the actual issue

Once I'd figured that out basically just had to check if it still happened after I'd hopefully fixed it

And it don't

[torn finch]

Should each container item have its own entry in the book?

Lot of them are pretty similar so I was thinking just entries for the more interesting stuff

[karmic timber]

Maybe you could group similar ones in an entry (?

[torn finch]

That's what it currently is

Main group and a couple for the more interesting ones

[karmic timber]

I see! I like that (?

[torn finch]

So I'm kinda 50/50 on how I want the boots to work

Preventing/counteracting plant slowdown seems like it'll need a mixin

But tbh I'm more interested in providing extra speed to the player

Probably do a mix of both and just let you configure it

[gilded knot]

I'm skeptical of that cause you already walk/run pretty fast and horses and boats are the obvious ugprade

cutting out the snow/grass effect would totally be worth it to me though

[torn finch]

I mean you do a lot of running around on foot

[gilded knot]

yeah but I guess I don't mind it

[torn finch]

Atm I'm thinking 4 boot variants? Plain old Hiking Boots, Steel Toe Hiking Boots, Spiked Boots and Steel Toe Spiked Boots

Spiked would be for snow

Probably same texture for the steel toe variants

Same as their base boot

Douno

Wish my foot wasn't such a pain in the ass rn

Can't really sit at my computer for more than an hour or so

[uncut lichen]

I don’t mind the base speed of walking, it encourages making a path or road to boost speed
Maybe some boots could just prevent the tall grass/snow slowdown and some could boost base walking speed as well

[gilded knot]

yeah

[uncut lichen]

Ouch what happened?

[gilded knot]

I feel like boots adding base speed makes them too op for what they are

[torn finch]

Sprained ankle from falling off my bike

[gilded knot]

oh, it didnt end up broken?

[torn finch]

Okay so like we aren't talking a doubling of base movement speed or anything

I was messing with 10% yesterday

Felt pretty good

[uncut lichen]

That sucks, hope you feel better soon

[torn finch]

That's equivalent of the speed 1 effect

[torn finch]

I thought I'd mentioned that to you at some point. Yeah they said it's not broke

Which is good I guess but lot of my foot is bruised now so it's looking like I've probably got a grade 2 at least

[gilded knot]

ugh

a first aid mod designed specifically for tfc...

😭

I know you probably hate that idea lol

[torn finch]

Any thoughts on this though?

[gilded knot]

10% for the highest tier? sure

[torn finch]

It's not infinite or anything, you burn durability as you move around

Well just like 10% really isn't that significant

[viral comet]

Would it be an armor peice or usable in a Curios slot?

[gilded knot]

as long as it's configurable I guess

[torn finch]

If you have the alcohol potion addon that's super easy to just constantly have

You can get 20% if you use the fancier alcohol

[uncut lichen]

If it’s like speed 1 then it’s alright

[torn finch]

10% is speed 1 yes

[viral comet]

To be fair, wouldn't the speed effect from the alcohol and the boots stack?

[torn finch]

It would

But that's part of the fun

[uncut lichen]

Then add rollerskates for speed 2 🙂 /s

[torn finch]

I don't think it'd stack multiplicatively though. Not too sure how attrabute stacking works tbf though

I think different instances of the same (multiplicative) attribute is addative

IE speed 1 (10%) would stack to be 20% with the boots

I think

[viral comet]

I'm not opposed to going fast. It's a pain to move around especially if you have a big base

[torn finch]

And atm I'm not too sure if I do curios or not

The steel toe variants are meant to primarily be better armor

Course they'd boost durability and whatnot

Seems a bit werid to me to have like iron boots & also hiking boots on at the same time (via curios)

Rather like the idea of trading off some armor protection in favor of boots

[viral comet]

Fair

[torn finch]

Wiki says it depends on the attribute modifier operation, atm it'd stack additively

I think I'll expose that for configuration though

A lot of the thought on the current (dev) iteration of the boots is basically a TFC version of Botanias sashes

"Passive" (as it uses durability) movement speed bonus and step up for at least some of them

Need to decide how to split stuff

I want the cheapest boots available once you get iron

And I don't really see a good way to have anything past at best black steel

Unless I let you make the "toe" upgrades for each metal tier

Could be an interesting idea

Same exact armor values as their corresponding boot

If I go that route I'd really have to make the system more dynamic

[lean nebula]

They better make you look dropped out as fuck. I’m not talking about old man Greg’s high quality ornate wooden clogs, I’m talking pure, unadulterated drip. Drip so good the nickel goes mining for you.

[torn finch]

I'm sure that whoever it is that's not me will make them look lovely

I can't do textures for shit

[gilded knot]

"whoever it is"

[torn finch]

Well

Maybe you don't make any more idk

I have a friend who was supposed to do them for 1.12

[gilded knot]

I play with your mod so I'm not going to put up with any ugly textures 😛

[torn finch]

They did a couple like demo textures and then nothing

Messaged me when I released

[torn finch]

Lol

I need to rework how voiding works but otherwise I think I'm pretty happy with what's released atm

[torn finch]

Hmm. So I've got a horseshoe as a horse armor. Works but I'm not really feeling it now that it's here

I already "had" to mixin (just makes it less stupid looking) so maybe I add an extra slot just for horseshoes...

Douno

Shall sleep on it

[jovial merlin]

maybe it is its own slot, this way you can put them on donkeys and mules too

also, just having it remove the terrain debuff I feel is fair, getting a speed boost will discourage breeding better horses

maybe the recipe for them could be smithing 4 rods, one at a time and crafting them together into a set of horse shoe

blacksmith back in the days did loads of horse shoe as they wear down with time faster than a quality tool (which you could pass down through generations)

[brittle quiver]

@torn finch I have the weirdest bug

lemme record

[torn finch]

Yup... It's that

I got a report last night

[brittle quiver]

lemme know if you need any testing/logs/such

[gilded knot]

wow

[torn finch]

Yeah kinda just like what

Not sure how it works when you pickup more than a single item

Cause it does

It's just when you pickup a single item, the fuckn common case 😒

[sullen kettle]

not sure if this would help, but similar behavior when picking up a 32 stack

[torn finch]

Yeah there's a new Verizon. Should be fixed but who fuckn knows

Still not sure how I fumbled it so badly

I must have changed something last second

[sinful wigeon]

I could make some

[torn finch]

Was a lot of work making it work correctly (shift clicks were a bitch) but I added an extra slot

The mule I summoned can't even jump 2 blocks and I think sprint jumping on foot might be faster than it but hey, you can put a chest in it and a horseshoe

Though 20% on that mule hardly makes a difference, thing is so unbelievably slow

The horse I summoned on the other hand feels pretty good

Part of me is debating giving it a small jump height bonus as well

[uncut lichen]

oh no, @torn finch

this is so silly

[torn finch]

Good lord

Is this on 1.1 or the release I just made

[uncut lichen]

newest release

[torn finch]

How the hell

[uncut lichen]

🤣

[torn finch]

Is this on a dedicated server?

[uncut lichen]

yep

[torn finch]

Great

Alright

I'ma eat some ice cream and then back to the fuckn mines I guess

Douno why it's fucked though

Iirc the event only gets fired on the server and I'm sending the same exact packet I've been sending

Vanilla packet mind you

So like?

Ugh

[uncut lichen]

when i tried to pick up an item that i already had in my inv, it picked up
if that helps

[torn finch]

It's some sorta desync

I'm pretty confident

I did a lot of testing to try and ensure I didn't miss any duplication issues again 😒

[uncut lichen]

can't dupe if you can't pick up items 🧠

[torn finch]

Feels wise I'm pretty close to ripping it out

Some seriously annoying junk

[torn finch]

https://github.com/Traister101/Sacks-and-Such/commit/c1e201e2ec49eb35759e4868645f44a5395292a2

That's it

[viral comet]

damn

[torn finch]

One of the most annoying things I've traced

Can you find the problem even with my commit description?

[viral comet]

Can you find the problem
what are you? Dora?

[torn finch]

I'm partly curious if I'm blind or if the results of a single call are just unexpected in general

[torn finch]

Is uh 2 steel too cheap for 20% movement speed on horses

[jovial merlin]

Probably, maybe the speed boost could be left for the colored steel and the first horse shoe could just grant immunity to high grass and snow 🤔

[torn finch]

For anybody curious it's the pEntity.getInventory().add(itemstack) call that's the issue

Inventory#add secretly mutates the passed in Item Stack

The next line of code i = copy.getCount() - itemstack.getCount() results in the new size when the stack is mutated

Which then is used to correctly handle the vanilla item pickup

But you'll notice that it can short circuit if hook == 1 or i <= 0

[torn finch]

IE if the result of the item pickup event is Result.ALLOW or the item, before the event was fired had 0 or less items

Very different behavior from what one would expect from the docs

The event doc says Result.ALLOW passes it to vanilla handling, which it does, without putting the stack into the players inventory due to short circuiting

So you constantly pickup a "phantom" stack

So the only way to not run into this issue altogether was if you, in the event handler also mutated the stack in place

Super, super unnatural when your correctly using the item handler capability

Which I wasn't originally

That's kind of the cause of this whole mess

[torn finch]

Oh yeah. So apparently TFC horses are already immune to plant slowdown

Cause of that horseshoe tiers are as follows
Steel: 5%
Black Steel: 10%
Red/Blue Steel: 20%

Also more durability

Since they have 4 feet the current idea is you make 4 horseshoes and then just craft them into a single item

Only way I can really think of to avoid like using a double sheet in the anvil recipe

Idk

Don't really like the micro crafting step but like each foot needs a horseshoe and I can't think of a good way to reuse any of denser TFC metal resources such as sheets

Like how you gonna turn that into a horseshoe?

Could maybe go the "Weld stuff to make an unfinished horseshoe" route which we just pretend is 4?

Sides the recipes, and maybe some recipe items I'd call the horseshoe stuff feature complete though

[gilded knot]

that's hardly microcrafting

[torn finch]

Just feels like a silly step I guess

[native trellis]

I just crafted the Ore Sack, modified its server settings to make it have 3 slots, and when it auto picks up ore from the ground it already has inside it, it rapidly duplicates it until it fills up and also creates some illegal 64 stacks in my inventory

[torn finch]

Update

[lean nebula]

Are there plans to add an open backpack hotkey?

[torn finch]

Yeah

[lean nebula]

Thank goodness

[torn finch]

Will come with the next update

Spaced it

Meant to come with it originally

[lean nebula]

Fair. I’m also pleased the backpack is actually attached to the players back inside of floating on the players back like with sophisticated backpacks. Floating backpacks are a menace.

[torn finch]

Oh does mine actually work better graphics wise?

Tbh I think I mostly copied their renderer lol

The curios renderers are kind of a pain in the butt

[lean nebula]

Yeah. I’ve noticed like with mods like parcool, the backpack and other items stays attached to the players back and moves with it fluidly. If you lie down with a sophisticated backpack it floats in the air.

[torn finch]

Huh, neat

That's on accident

Or least I didn't know it did that

[lean nebula]

I wonder why sophisticated backpacks don’t. IIRC Aether gloves also have the same issue.

[torn finch]

Weird

[cedar egret]

this looks goated

[torn finch]

All I'm doing is calling into some curios code to rotate it and translate it for me

And then I move it a bit myself cause model origin stupid

[cedar egret]

or normal INMIS...

[torn finch]

Sophisticated and Aether must just like free hand it or something

[torn finch]

Appreciated

The sacks also work correctly when worn?

[lean nebula]

Yup

[torn finch]

Weird

Absolutely no clue what I'm doing different

That's nice though

[lean nebula]

Artifacts does it right too if I’m correct. Things stay attached to their respective body parts properly, even if the player is using unique animation.

Actually you know what else is appears “floaty” in the back slot. Barrels. They don’t attach to the back.

[torn finch]

Ah the barrels 2012 addon?

Smh

[lean nebula]

Ye. They floaty. Just like the sophisticated backpacks

[lean nebula]

Might to be the worst idea to find out why yours works better. Could come in handy if it ever decides to stop working.

[torn finch]

Well I'd assume they just are doing it wrong

Like I didn't think to check if it worked when players were lying down or anything

I'd think most people wouldn't

[torn finch]

Doin a bunch of book stuff. I've got some spotlights namely one for the Lunchbox, the Frame pack and the Ore sack but it's kinda hard coming up with enough to say about them to justify two pages lol

[viral comet]

wait theres a lunch box?

[torn finch]

Will be

[viral comet]

could the seed pouch use silk as well as wool?

[torn finch]

I'm pretty sure I just use the TFC tag for cloth

Ah guess not

[gilded knot]

seed pouch is a bit overpriced I think

[torn finch]

It's effectively the price of a bed

I feel like that's about where I want it

It's meant for at least after your first crop harvest

So you have to deal with seeds normally a bit

[gilded knot]

that's fair

[viral comet]

Honestly I can see it being used for travel, aka finding wild crops. And convenient seed storage/sorting. I know we had a ton of the same seeds on lithic season 2 so just to put all those in a sack would be nice

[torn finch]

Yeah, that's also partly what the baskets are for

Small amounts of many different items

Perfect for grabbing the seeds you run across

[gilded knot]

god, bundles are going to be so nice in tfc

they better make them cheap

[torn finch]

I mean that kinda messes with me addon don't it

I coulda gone the bundle route. Thought about it for the leather and Burlap sacks

Definitely gonna get the fancier UI stuff once 1.21 happens

[torn finch]

In the next update the current voiding system is gonna be moved to this one. You toggle particular slots for voiding excess picked up items instead of the entire container at once.

Should make it actually like useful

Least I'd use it for like twigs and whatever

[torn finch]

@thorny linden if your curious

[thorny linden]

alright time to go see Traister foam at the mouth lol

[torn finch]

Not the most I've foamed at the mouth

But I was quite frustrated

Not fun reading through vanilla code that's doing something unexpected

Know what actually here's the docs verbatim

This event is called when a player collides with a EntityItem on the ground. The event can be canceled, and no further processing will be done. You can set the result of this event to ALLOW which will trigger the processing of achievements, FML's event, play the sound, and kill the entity if all the items are picked up. setResult(ALLOW) is the same as the old setHandled()

WHERE DOES IT SAY IT SECRETLY MUTATES THE STACK ONLY IF YOU DON'T PASS ALLOW

You cannot set the item stack on the ItemEntity either, you have to mutate it directly

And as for why even fuckn DENY will work event.getResult() == Result.ALLOW ? 1 : 0;

There's only three possible hook return values. -1 for a canceled event, 1 for if the result is ALLOW and 0 if it's not

Yet the Result enum has 3 values. DENY, DEFAULT and ALLOW

It's just gah

[thorny linden]

wtf

I mean, we need to consider some of that code is probably like 12 years old

[torn finch]

Right

But like sheesh

Oh right

It's also fucking sided

[thorny linden]

this is very likely early Forge stuff... like, Eloraam and the big 3 days

[torn finch]

Integrated servers are totally fine

I didn't narrow down what exactly caused it to be sided

But yeah

Probably gets mutated somewhere else and cause integrated server it happens on both sides or something idk

[thorny linden]

might be

[torn finch]

But also like I said

Super, super unnatural when your correctly using the item handler capability
Which I wasn't originally

Some wonky 1.12 code I wrote early on in learning how to program which I ported to 1.20

It was partly using item handlers but also directly mutating the pickup ItemStack (almost certainly cause I didn't know what I was doing)

So it was kind of a mess

It's all ItemHandler semantics now

Not gonna screw with mutating stacks the annoying things

[thorny linden]

😂

[lean nebula]

I need the tool belt. I have a mighty need.

[jovial merlin]

Toolbelt would be so good, maybe it could use the same key as the backpack, but when you shift it accesses the belt instead (this way you have less keys to deal with)

[torn finch]

Yeah I'd rather that just be a separate keybind

Like what do I even call a keybind that has that behavior?

"Open Frame Pack or Belt if you hold shift?"

[jovial merlin]

technically it could be two seperate keybind and have the belt be key +shift by default (as long as the belt input overides the backpack)

[thorny linden]

Blaze Map uses Open Map / [Shift] Configure Minimap

but it sucks and we are splitting the keys

[torn finch]

Yeah, what's with B for that anyway? I've always been an M guy for the map

B is a very natural backpack button

Is it cause the mod is called baze map?

Journey used J iirc

[torn finch]

I'm interested in having a toolbelt but I'm not super sure how to go about the UI

I'd love a fancy radial menu but that seems pretty complicated tbh

Though if I do spend the time on a fancy UI I could also use it for the Lunchbox

Hmm

[thorny linden]

B is for Blame Russian 🤣

he didn't want to clash with M for Chisel Mode

so we agreed B + N instead of N + M

[torn finch]

Real

That's funny

I get it but that's kind of a stupid reason lol

[thorny linden]

Working with me as a direct peer means putting up with a lot of shit... it's only fair I made some concessions as well.
The reasons keys are the way they are is because 1) avoid having to remap keys and 2) fewer keys plays better in packs so shift for alternate functions was used

[lean nebula]

Who says it has to be radial? Just look at tetra’s toolbelt. That’s not radial and it happens to be one of the nicer toolbelt UI’s I’ve used. There’s a few ways you could do it.

1 is just have it open the toolbelt. It’s a bit lame but it works. You could add an auto tool swap that chooses the right tool for the job (just make it toggle-able.

You could alternatively do a cycle toolbelt keybind instead that lets you cycle back and forth between the slots.

Unrelated question. Are there plans for higher tier backpacks or upgradable ones? Extra backpack drip.

[gilded knot]

radial menus look dumb in minecraft 🙂

[jovial merlin]

circle in my cube game 😯

[lean nebula]

Turns out the whole things not connecting to the back thing was entirely in my head. Don’t know how I got to that conclusion but as it turns out sophisticated backpacks do connect to the back normally. It could have been an old version I was remembering

[quick pike]

i was playing with the setting a little bit, changed the max accepted item size of the burlap bag to large and everytime it auto picks up large items it just voids them

doesn ‘t void them when placed manually though

item voiding is off

[torn finch]

That's... Strange

I can't imagine how that would be happening

Really doesn't make any sense at all tbh

[torn finch]

Ah, right still haven't looked at tetra

Idk I kinda feel like a radial menu just works™️ with a tool belt

[torn finch]

Higher tier backpacks.
Maybe?

I don't really see anything I could do besides more slots/larger slots

And tbh, I'm a little unsure of even the whole 18 slots it provides as is

It's a whole TFC chest of capacity, on your back

[viral comet]

i agree

[torn finch]

Yeah I can't reproduce from your description

Your going to need to file an issue @quick pike with video of it occurring + the version your on

Though I have just noticed an oopsie with items that have durability 😳

[torn finch]

For a bit more detail just show the Sacks tooltip & the problem occurring

If the tooltip is out of sync that'd mean forge itself failed to sync the config which is out of my control

Though that still wouldn't make it void anything

[random moss]

I think a radial tool belt but you opened the tools by pressing like ctrl + numkey or scroll wheel would work pretty well..

Like a second hot bar

[torn finch]

You know what actually I'ma go the multiple hotbars route

[lean nebula]

That works nicely

[torn finch]

Yeah, avoids a GUI

Though I might do something fancy with a UI letting you configure like where the slots are allocated

So like you could have like 9 tools in 3 slots

Or something else

Least I imagine that'd be interesting

Cause like in my case I usually have at least a couple constant items I want, usually down at the end of my bar

Water and whatever

[random moss]

I was thinking you could press alt and it’d swap your hotbar with a second hotbar

[torn finch]

Yes

& I think letting you scroll through a slot vertically seems cool

Potentially more interesting

I'll play with it

Like swapping your whole hotbar is nice but also annoying

Like my other stuff I want this to be at least a bit unique

Pulling from multiple ideas has been the process for a lot of my stuff

Dank Null inspired my initial idea on having extended slots

Pick block & auto pickup is from all sorts of stuff

Voiding is cause when exploring random sticks and junk are annoying

I initially had a whole upgrade chain planned like how dank null works but before I sat down and worked on it I realized it was silly

[quick pike]

i will try replicate it as soon as i find some time (tomorrow if not max thursday afternoon)

[torn finch]

Alright

[torn finch]

@quick pike so I take it you couldn't reproduce the issue?

[quick pike]

i did not have the time to try yet

working 12h a day for the past 2 days

sunday i will have the time and get back on this

[torn finch]

Yeesh

Alright, get to it when you have time

[slate briar]

Do I have permission to use this in my modpack? Full credit will be given for the record.

[torn finch]

It's on Curse and Modrinth

Follow whatever their rules are for modpack/mod distribution and idc

Largly the point of using such platforms

[lean nebula]

What about adding trims to backpacks?

[quick pike]

i tried to replicate the situation but i couldn’t
i guess it was something very specific&rarely occuring

thanks for the promptness sir

[torn finch]

I'd more so go that it went somewhere unexpected. It prioritizes curios slots and if you were wearing a frame pack it'd have gone in there

[torn finch]

What like armor trims? I've got a pretty limited understanding of how those work but bare minimum it'd be quite a hassle. Absolutely none of the vanilla trims or modded trims would work out of the box

Could do some shenanigans with UVs but I think that's kinda too much work

[lean nebula]

Fair. If it’s not feasible, no need to look into it.

[torn finch]

A really basic TLDR for trims is that it's a armor layer texture that's pasted onto the normal armor textures to result in the trim textures

Could maybe adapt the frame pack into being an armor texture but I suspect it wouldn't be that simple

Far as customization goes I've thought about letting you dye stuff

I'm like cripplingly bad at textures, spent an hour trying to make a buckle and got absolutely nowhere

Lot of thought for me at least goes into minimizing textures and whatever so I can mooch off friends if needed

Can do models fine textures are just so hard 😒

Just cannot make them from scratch. Got none of that art skill

If I'm modifying or adapting one then I do pretty good

[lean nebula]

I can do art. I did the textures for Waterflasks. I wouldn’t say they’re the best but they look nice enough.

[torn finch]

If @gilded knot doesn't plan on doing textures I'd accept em. @sinful wigeon also offered to make some textures but I said aleki would probably do them at the time

I believe this is a bit out of date but the current planned content is in here https://github.com/Traister101/Sacks-and-Such/tree/nets-boots-and-horseshoes

Model data Gen is annoying and won't work without textures so atm that isn't present

Unsure if I'll have a fancy held model for the Lunchbox or not atm as well

[lean nebula]

There is one thing I do know. I need to make a transformation

Perfect

Heat definitions fear me.

[gilded knot]

what do you need exactly?

[torn finch]

The new items really. A Buckle, Net, single horseshoe, multiple horseshoes (maybe same texture I can't really imagine anything else besides like layering the single texture a couple times), probably just one hiking boot texture cause I don't think the toe variants having unique textures is needed (also need an armor texture annoyingly), leather strips and then bound leather strips

I have a horseshoe slot texture I did but I'm actually rather happy with that. Haven't tried to make any horseshoe textures though

For the most part it's all just in JEI, it's just the armor textures that you'd overlook

I have a lunchbox hud element which could use a fancy background but it works as is. I've no idea how it should look so it's just some text

Bound leather strips look kinda like this, but a strip https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tekkit-main/images/c/c6/Bound_leather.png/revision/latest?cb=20130530200237

Sew marks or whatever on the edges

Recipe is similar

Well sorta similar it's my reinforced fiber that it's sewn with

[lean nebula]

Give the horseshoe a chance to negate fall damage when in the player’s inventory. Make that chance incredibly low. The unlucky horseshoe.

[lean nebula]

I’ll take a crack at those strips

[lean nebula]

How are these for the strips?

What the hell just happened? Message edit moment.

Take 2

@torn finch

[torn finch]

Yeah these seem to be good. Will kinda have to see what it's like when it's smaller but I can't imagine it looking bad or anything

Doesn't look like a copy of the ones that sewing mod has too which is good

[torn finch]

Oh, also my sleep schedule is all outa wack

[lean nebula]

I chose smaller because strips would be well, smaller. They’ll look small in the inventory and hands don’t get me wrong but I doubt they’ll look bad.

[torn finch]

So I might effectively dissappear tomorrow to fix it

[torn finch]

Nah I mean when it's actually in game

Always a bit hard to see what it looks like from just a texture

Leagues better than what I attempted

[lean nebula]

Ah fair. Lighting and all that in world

Earlier I was messing around to see if I could get a nice hiking boot model. I wanted to see if I could get an extended toe cap to rather than them looking like a vanilla boot model. I may have to revise my Blockbench addons because what I was using wasn’t going so well. I might see how Artifacts does their boots because I’m pretty their boots are similar to what I have in mind.

[torn finch]

From what I'm aware the easiest fancy armor model stuff is via gecko lib which I'd rather uh not

I'd have to refresh myself on armor layer rendering

Might be I just have to add a custom model layer that renders the boots

Though as is the boots are setup as armor

[torn finch]

Any funny ideas for achievements?

Think I'll do one for all of my containers

[viral comet]

one called sacked

[torn finch]

Could be for making one of each sack

Or just all the containers

I wanna do something funny with horseshoes but I can't think of anything but like a terraria reference

[viral comet]

i mean theres the horseshoes of speed from dnd

[torn finch]

That's a good one

[lean nebula]

un-sophisticated backpack: Craft a frame pack

[random moss]

They should make horseshoes out of uranium

So the horses get radiation poisoning

[lean nebula]

Make them out of lead so they get lead poisoning

[random moss]

This is the only horseshoe meme I know

[lean nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/honse-away-go-gif-21374022

[torn finch]

Ooh me like

Literally a comparison I've invited and yet I didn't think of that lol

[random moss]

I was thinking back to the discussion about the lunchbox preservation bonus and realized that maybe it should have a higher preservation than the small vessel? The small vessel is intended as the first portable storage option you have and acts as a jack of all trades. Its functions get replaced in better ways by the specialized containers later on. The argument isn’t “would you rather use the container that makes food last longer or the one with more qol” it’s “would you rather use the container that happens to give preservation bonus AND can be repurposed as extra storage if need be, or the one that can only carry food but it’s more useful for that role.” In the same vein I see an icebox existing, which would have a longer preservation bonus and can only hold food as an alternative to the large vessel and (maybe?) the cellar seeing as it needs active upkeep and doesn’t just give a passive bonus (plus can be moved around, maybe on a ship?)

[torn finch]

I think that's a fair argument for a better preservation bonus on the lunchbox

[random moss]

Now that I think about it an icebox that you can put on a ship would be super practical like I would definitely use it to pack a bunch of sandwiches for a long trip

That should be added to firmaciv

[torn finch]

An icebox is at least an interesting idea to me but tbh with how busted Firmalife cellars are I don't think it'd be super valuable

[random moss]

That’s true but I think that’s a fault of tfcs farm balancing rather than cellars themselves

[torn finch]

Both

Firmalife cellars have no upkeep whatsoever

With stronger modifiers than the cellars addon

And are cheaper to build

TFC farming in it's modern state is vanilla farming with a funny hat

[random moss]

The modifiers aren’t that much stronger than just sticking food in a large vessel at normal temps

Excluding hangers those are broken

[torn finch]

https://github.com/eerussianguy/firmalife/blob/1.20.x/src%2Fmain%2Fjava%2Fcom%2Feerussianguy%2Ffirmalife%2Fcommon%2Fitems%2FFLFoodTraits.java

https://github.com/TerraFirmaCraft/TerraFirmaCraft/blob/1.20.x/src%2Fmain%2Fjava%2Fnet%2Fdries007%2Ftfc%2Fconfig%2FServerConfig.java#L619-L627

The preserved modifier (what all vessels provide) is 0.5
The worst cellar modifier, shelved is 0.4

Cellars are at minimum 10% better than a vessel

There's also the other bonus you get from just like using the oven, bees, greenhouse

[random moss]

That isnt 10% that’s like

25%?

Worst modifier is 25% improvement to large vessels which isn’t that much for the infrastructure (bees and a building)

[torn finch]

Was referring to to the modifier rates themselves

[torn finch]

Yes

That's my point in it being a both issue

Firmalife cellars are extremely strong for how cheap they are and the complete lack of maintenance

[random moss]

I feel like this should be a criticism of large vessels instead tbh

Cellars have to be stronger than large vessels since they need more infrastructure and can’t be moved around

Yet large vessels are stone age and already provide a 2x modifier to preservation

[torn finch]

The cellars in the cellar addon were stronger than large vessels, there just was maintenance

And the materials were expensive

Tons of wood and clay

And some straw but tbh that's not actually much of a problem

[random moss]

Yeah but can’t you say the same for current cellars

[torn finch]

No

[random moss]

I think you just want them to have maintenance

[torn finch]

Firmalife cellars are cheep

The most expensive component would be bees wax

[random moss]

They need glass making, brass, and bees if you’re not including the extremely expensive shelves

At least old cellars could hold tons of food per shelves

[torn finch]

Glass? What do you need glass for

[random moss]

The core

Blue glass

Weather station I think it’s called

[torn finch]

Hmm, yeah I probably forgot that then

I looked at the bricks and door and was just kinda shocked

[random moss]

Yeah they’re really cheap

[torn finch]

Aqueducts are more expensive

[random moss]

Yeah..

Aqueducts should give more per craft too but that’s another conversation..

[viral comet]

I mean the climate station also needs redstone dust but yeah. I wish they required actual upkeep

[random moss]

Forgot about that too

Maybe the climate station has to be fed ice or redstone to power it idk

[viral comet]

Also aleki mentioned they wanted to do some kind of ice box/ice harvesting thing for firmaciv, cause I had a similar idea and then didn't because she said she'd do it

I feel like this has been answered before but would you be able to eat directly from the lunch box? Aka eating the contents without opening the box and just "eating" the box?

[random moss]

Actually now that I think about it more I don’t think the cellar needs a nerf food just need a nerf in general

It’s not strong enough to warrant needing actual upkeep compared to regular large vessels

[torn finch]

Yeah you eat directly out of it

[viral comet]

Yes

[torn finch]

That's the main reason I feel like it shouldn't have as good preservation as vessels, but ank made a good point with vessels being generic storage

If you usually carry around just one stack of sandwiches or whatever you'll be happy to know you can mix it up if you want

Also said awful hud element I have for it atm

Can scroll through the contents like how Dank null works

You know looking at this it probably makes sense to put the nutrition on there when you crouch

[gilded knot]

"sacks" advancement: craft all sacks

"n such" advancement: craft everything else

[lean nebula]

As an argument for the icebox. It doesn’t need to be better or worse than a cellar. It can just be an item that exists for fun. Look at Firmalife. It has a few features that don’t really provide an advantage to their counterparts and are just there for fun. A few of the foods aren’t nutritionally dense and just exist so the player can make them for fun.

[gilded knot]

icebox is an upcoming firmaciv feature

[lean nebula]

I’m getting confused with what chats I’m in. I thought this was firmaciv XD

[torn finch]

Yeah I think I like this far as information goes (must be crouching for the food tooltip)

Should move stuff around a bit through. Does a particular order make more sense than Food Tooltip (again only when crouching), stack, stack name & then selected slot?

[random moss]

I was thinking it’d show your current nutrion bars in a minimal ui, arrows indicating which stats are increasing and which are decreasing, and state the food being eaten

[torn finch]

I think you were one of the very people saying not to do something like that

[random moss]

I don’t remember saying that

I was suggesting that to be added to alekis new texture pack (?) but I guess it makes sense here too

[torn finch]

I mean I can do that

Don't have any good ideas for how that should look atm though

[random moss]

There’s this mod for project zomboid that I think looks nice

Each bar here indicates a different stat but I think it’d work well if it was instead 5 bars for each nutrition type and just put in the corner or something

[torn finch]

Well mainly like idk where to put that on the screen?

[torn finch]

Anyway I think this is probably what I'll settle on format wise

Hmm wrapping text... I really don't wanna deal with that

Mind you my resolution is stupid atm cause I don't dev in full screen

Breaks on GUI Scale 6 for me

So it should probably be fine for most people but that'll really bug me 😭

Oh sick there's vanilla code for this

Thanks Mojang

Hmm, this'll still be a bit of a pain

Should re think how I do this

Might make sense to put some simple config in too

[lean nebula]

Gonna take another crack at the hiking boots model tomorrow. The armor model that is. I need to make sure the drip is through the roof.

[torn finch]

Heat Definition Man got [All dripped out]

[lean nebula]

Yep. That’s a perfect achievement

[torn finch]

That took me much too long cause of bad math 🤓

Tbh I'm pretty happy with it as is

[viral comet]

Is it the text wrapping?

[torn finch]

Yeah

Some food names get pretty long so it can be an issue at lower resolutions/high GUI scales

Unlikely course but I'd inevitably get an issue about it

[torn finch]

Seeing and disliking MrThomas' TFC datagen lib has for whatever reason driven me to make a bunch of stuff myself all the sudden

Well more than I already did

Doubt it'd ever get any use besides me even if I split it off so yay

Thanks me

[fair oasis]

I would love if there was a keybind that if u had a backpack in ur bag it opens it directly like other backpack mods do. Maybe do it for the ore pouch and everything else and let people set them up however they like

[torn finch]

Yeah I have a backpack keybind in dev

Always meant to have one it just escaped me

I'll maybe have a belt/sack keybind

Well, as I'm thinking about it I probably should

[lean nebula]

@torn finch I'll have to get it in a resource pack, but I feel this is certainly drip

[random moss]

Why does it have micro details pointing out

Not very minecrafty

[lean nebula]

They're meant to mimic fluff. I wasn't going for 100% minecraft-y

[torn finch]

The micro details on the top floof is making me uncomfortable lol

[jovial merlin]

Yeah it should just be an extra layer like the vexxed tfc armor does

(armor as two layers - similar to how player skin head do it)

[lean nebula]

The little parts that point poke out? I can remove them. I do have another way of doing it that I want to try though. It might look better.

[torn finch]

The slope thing yeah

[lean nebula]

I have another way in mind of doing it that won’t just look like a straight line. If it doesn’t look good then I’ll just remove those details.

[flint wave]

i has an idea for an item!!!

dunno where to post it

quality of life - Time over a bit of resources.
A FIRED BRICK MOLD
Instead of knapping every 3 bricks out of clay, you simply craft the mold with 2/3 clay to get 2 bricks

prolly a stupid idea

very stupid even

[quartz kelp]

Tbh, it’s not unrealistic

People did make bricks that way (with molds)

Although (atleast where I live) those molds were made out of wood

[flint wave]

That is your whole reason why it's "unrealistic"?

[quartz kelp]

I said it’s not unrealistic

[flint wave]

nvm my brain

just

ignored the "not"

or did it ignore the "UN"

[quartz kelp]

Ok

Idk

[flint wave]

Sorry i slept 5 hours and had some scrumpe

[lean nebula]

https://youtu.be/0CCciJHrh_4?si=0Ih5kTMHr4pTZfiv&t=11m40s The man himself

[lean nebula]

How about this instead of those straight lines. It looks better than what it was.

Hm. I've only just learnt you can select per-face UV for individual faces. I thought once you set it to per-face UV, the whole thing was a per-face UV

[random moss]

Are those mixels

Why is the fluff 32x

Or lower

That might be 64x

[lean nebula]

The UV on the fluff is scaled up.

So all of this is on that one plane

[random moss]

That’s not good..

[lean nebula]

Why not?

[random moss]

You don’t want smaller pixels mixed with bigger pixel scales

[lean nebula]

Again, why not? Is it a limitation with Minecraft?

[random moss]

No it’s pixel art fundamentals

It’d pass in a mobile game maybe

[lean nebula]

There's pixel art fundamentals?

[random moss]

Yeah most of it is color theory but there’s also stuff like pillow shading is bad, shade with shape and definition in mind and not just as a flat gradient, dithering doesn’t work for everything (really depends on style imo) and biggest of all don’t use mixels

[lean nebula]

hmm, I could scale the entire thing up but then it won't fit the rest of the mod. It looks fine without those details either way.

[random moss]

Yeah I think a straight line and 1 or 2 pixels jutting out would work to convey the idea

If not just 1 or 2 pixels jutting out altogether

[lean nebula]

Gonna also work a bit more on the shading and see if I can get it any better

[lean nebula]

I was worried single pixel floofs wouldn't convey it very well but I'm suprised. I still feel it looks a little strange but that could just be my subjective opinion. I darkened the area just under the floof. Hopefully it's not too dark. Still not sure how I feel about the light part at the back. I think it may be a tad too bright compared to the rest of the boot.

It has a fair amount of dithering, I'm a bit concerned that it's not subtle enough. The only areas without dithering are the floof at the top and the buckle. I don't think they need it but I might give it a test to see how it looks.

[random moss]

Doesn’t look like dithering

That scale is too small to notice it and either way I don’t think it’s egregious to use it

[lean nebula]

I might be thinking dithering is something else. I was on about of the slightly darker pixels placed about. Sometimes I worry that I make them a bit too obvious

[lean nebula]

Feeling a lot better about it now that it's applied to both boots

[random moss]

Dithering is where you try to make shading more gradual by making lighter shaded areas a crosshatch of shading instead of just using a different color

[lean nebula]

Just read a big article on it. The different pattens you can use to do it are cool.

[random moss]

It works when you’re trying to convey a roughly textured surface but not a universal tool

For mc textures..

[lean nebula]

Yeah. After reading about it, I realised it wouldn't be needed for this. Not that I'd be able to fit it in easily into something that's 4 pixels long. It would have a greater impact on larger textures but even then, at least for this it wouldn't fit the style. Still something useful for me to keep at the back of my mind though. I never know when I might want to use it,

Anyway time for the 2D item texture. Hopefully I can put what I have in mind onto the digital 16x16 canvas

[lean nebula]

2D item texture. Yay or nay?

[gilded knot]

I'll cook something up soon.

[lean nebula]

Don't know whether to take that as a "It's not good" or just you wanting to try for yourself. Either way I take no offense.

[gilded knot]

Oh, sorry

I didn't really mean anything by it other than that what it literally says

I'll give it a try soon

[lean nebula]

Aighty. Make sure they're drippy

[torn finch]

@lean nebula You close the PR on purpose?

[lean nebula]

Yep. Old BB.model

Fixing it now

[torn finch]

Huh well alright

They will update when you push changes

Conflicts are almost certainly cause I committed the strip textures. I'll just have to drop them on my end

Shouldn't cause any issues since you are branched from 1.20

[lean nebula]

I was worried about that. I thought I forked the wrong version. Things might be a bit messy. Had trouble navigating those folders and piecing together where everything went

[torn finch]

Yeah I can be confusing at first

Textures aren't generated to they live in main

Models are, or at least most of them so they hangout in generated

The held and icon directories are to separate the held textures from the icon textures, so atm all the item containers

Otherwise I'm doing like held_leather_sack and leather_sack or something

Makes more sense to me the first way

[lean nebula]

Minecraft directories are confusing. One day I'll have it all figured out... then they'll change the way they work

[torn finch]

For mods the main thing that should be helpful is that they bundle resource packs and datapacks at resources

So from here you've got assets and data which respectively is the resourcepack assets or the datapack data

From there if you know about resourcepacks or datapacks you are off to the races

And I thought I mentioned this but it seems I didn't. The only way you could have tested the boots model via resource pack only would be using its model for some sort of block/non armor item and then wearing it on your feet via commands

[lean nebula]

The way I tested it (tried to) was creating a resource pack for the Artifacts mod and replacing the rooted boots model. Didn't go well. Only got it working for the held model, and it didn't have textures. Safe to say my directories were quite off.

[torn finch]

They probably have a custom model layer for the boots

I just remembered your legs like uh move

So you couldn't really use a block model

So it wouldn't be resourcepackable

[lean nebula]

I did initially try putting it over the carved pumpkin. You can imagine what that looked like consider the pumpkin is usually attached to the head.

Is this https://github.com/Traister101/Sacks-and-Such/tree/1.20/resources folder just an extra spot to store all the textures?

[torn finch]

It was originally for python datagen but aleki plonked all her textures and models in there so it's for that now

Just some old size datagen left in there now

[lean nebula]

An ancient relic from aeons ago

[torn finch]

From before I realized the wonders of Java datagen

Makes a surprisingly large difference in ease of use

Java datagen I get to use the actual registered objects so the names are impossible to mess up and they'll always stay in sync if they are updated

I can reference the exact lang keys I use in code, typos and all for generation of my lang

Is nice

[torn finch]

Yeah boots are about as much of a headache as I thought they'd be

Though there is a ton more code than I thought for custom armor models

I thought I'd have to mixin tbh

This is extremely usable

I just can't get these stupid things in the right spot on the player model

[lean nebula]

Take a peek and see what artifacts does to solve that. They might have the answer

Though that’s probably easier said than done.

[torn finch]

They have some abstracted bs for multiloader

For whatever reason I just can't seem to translate the model down

Also it looks alright. Might tweak it a bit but I'm rather happy with how it looks

The floof may or may not get changed to just be flat overlays

Also yet to be seen how it interacts with leggings

[lean nebula]

It should be on top of the leggings hopefully. I wonder if the Aether has the same thing going on with their gloves. Maybe what's being applied to the gloves could be applied to the boots. In fact the Aether does have an armour set that is just boots. Sentry boots. I know armour textures are usually bundled together in layer 1 and layer 2 pngs which can't be helpful here.

Also I did set their on head model to be on the feet. I don't know if that could be causing some issues.

[torn finch]

No, as I said earlier can't (really) use a block model for it

Copied it into an entity model, fixed things up a bit cause it was wonky like it usually is when you do that and then exported that

Might have something to do with how the legs model part includes the boots and the pants

I could have sworn there was like a model origin you could mess with but I wasn't able to find anything so I'll probably try messing with bones today

Very little experience with entity models

Alekis done all the boats and largly everything I've ever done with them is just using them in code

Thing with the armor is I don't control the renderer so I can't just translate it there like I do for curios

[lean nebula]

I doubt you'd agree with this but you could just make them a curio

[torn finch]

Being worn in the boots armor slot is currently at least quite intentional. The steel toe variants are also imo at least invalidated if it's wearable in curios

[lean nebula]

True

[pallid zinc]

I feel it's supposed to be a tradeoff

[torn finch]

Also it's more work than you'd expect to just slap curios in there

Iirc there's an interface you can impliment on items which should allow me to handle the majority of it but I'd still have to query the curios capability in the player mixin so it prevents grass slowdown like it should

[lean nebula]

Looking at some of those resource packs that use EMF for 3D armour models. Mainly to figure out how it works. Maybe we need an enitre hiking armour set XD

[torn finch]

Entity Model Features?

That's not really gonna be helpful tbh

[lean nebula]

Likely not. I'm just messing with it atm

[torn finch]

Yeah not great with pants

Also fiddling with bones did indeed let me translate the boots down

So that's good

Will try that out lot sooner next time

[lean nebula]

Rip. Then again, those are vanilla diamond leggings. Those two things aren't going to be worn together in TFC gameplay. Still the issue stands. Does the player's second layer on the skin go through the boots too?

[torn finch]

All of em

Yeah looks like the models gonna need to get modified to account for it

Current model if you want to fiddle with it. https://github.com/Traister101/Sacks-and-Such/blob/dev/1.20/resources/models/HikingBoots.bbmodel

If you are comfy enough with code you could also export it as a java model and copy the contents of createBodyLayer to HikingBootsModel#createBodyLayer and even test it yourself allbeit slowly

You'd want to run gradlew runClient in a terminal in the project directory

If you want to setup Intellij you could hotswap the model at runtime though that's a good bit more involved

Model has the dimentions for the player legs, though not any of the layers

So should be an easy time if you wanna try a hand at it

I've got a mighty headache atm so I'll probably just chill out for awhile

[lean nebula]

I'll look into it. I'm not that great with code so I'm going to do a copious amount of reading before I go anywhere near that.

[torn finch]

It would actually be as easy as I described lol

gradlew runClient should just work from a clean setup

Though you might need a java 17jdk

Should be able to use winget to grab one. winget install Oracle.JDK.17

Winget is iirc default with windows nowadays

[lean nebula]

I believe I already have a java 17 jdk. Let me check

[torn finch]

Blockbench will export working code long as you copy the contents of that method correctly. The rest of the file is more or less useless

[torn finch]

You've probably got the one for normal people

I'm reasonably sure you need a JDK to dev but it might just be sources or something idk tbh

Bit too tired and headachey for this lol

[lean nebula]

I have a vague memory of installing the JDK variant. It was in case I wanted to try and learn Java again. Still got that old project lying around somewhere

All of my java versions are JDKs. Why did I get JDKs for each version?

[torn finch]

Idk don't ask me lol

Might be easier to access

Oracle is a huge pain in the ass after all

[lean nebula]

God that website. Don't remind me

As for my testing with CEM. Working as intended.

[torn finch]

I'd really just not use CEM tbh

It's a different format

There's different rules

It's been awhile since I've touched any mcpatcher optifine stuff but iirc CIT enables you to change armor models

But whatever works I guess

[lean nebula]

I'll definitely leave this one on the backburner. Definitely getting a bit ahead of myself.

[lean nebula]

Context, I have not opened IntelliJ in awhile. I am immediately greeted with this.

[torn finch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036297438891360276.gif?quality=lossless&name=concernedLuluco&size=48

[lean nebula]

It was nice of past me to document what I had learnt to I can understand what's going on.

[lean nebula]

I opened the project in IntelliJ. It has been syncing for about 11 minutes. Maybe more. My PC is not happy with me and is in fact heading to upper management to complain

[torn finch]

That sounds about right for initial setup

Lots of shit to download

One of the tabs, build, run or something should have some sort of log of what's happening

[lean nebula]

Yeah. I see why people use IntelliJ. I initially tried with VScode but something tells me that would be extra setup.

[torn finch]

I think it'd be about the same actually, just it poorly integrates and you'd be using the runs directly through gradle

[lean nebula]

I did have to stop it doing that for a moment. My only brain cell thought it would be wise to open steam while it was doing that.

[lean nebula]

I hope this isn't a big issue and doesn't have anything to do with the fact I stopped it awhile ago

Nevermind, it seems fine.

[lean nebula]

I cannot figure out how it works. It probably would have just been wiser for me to load the leggings model in Blockbench and then just expand it from there. Looking at it, if the flood are just a little too big, I could just make them a little bit smaller

My main concern is that if I scale to boots up too much, they’ll look like clown shoes.

[lean nebula]

Also due to converting it to a Java model, the textures on the floofs have become smaller. There’s probably a way around that, I’ll look into that later

[torn finch]

Yeah UVs don't work the same

[torn finch]

Yeah, we adding quivers

Douno how to have it like work with the backpack, probably be mutually exclusive by default I think

Should be the last thing I add for the time being

[lean nebula]

It could be a big quiver. Or a leg quiver.

[gilded knot]

belt quivers are also a thing

[lean nebula]

Head quiver

[gilded knot]

you could just have a quiver that could go in a number of slots

[lean nebula]

Boat quiver

[torn finch]

I wanna let you put javelins in it

That or a separate one for javelins which I don't really like the idea of too much

[torn finch]

Sadly I do actually have to fix items with durability not working correctly with my containers if I do javelins

Will fix dragging while I'm at it

Dragging is gonna be a bit of a pain though

[lean nebula]

Finally got my test build working. I have to delete my .gradle file and rebuild it. There were some missing dependencies, likely due to me stopping it.

Also why is it minecraft always generate the coolest shit for test worlds but never on worlds I intend on playing on.

[torn finch]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It just be like that

Shouldn't have needed to delete anything, just refresh the project and it should figure itself out

[lean nebula]

I ain’t complaining. If it worked it worked.

Also I know you said you didn’t need different textures for the varying types of boots but I’m not opposed to doing such a thing if you feel the need for it at any point

[torn finch]

I don't feel like it'd needed. Steel toes aren't exactly visible on the outside

If there's a good idea for them then yippie but nothing comes to mind for me

Aleki might come up with something got them artist skills

[lean nebula]

Maybe if we’re lucky, she’ll replace the boots with wearable canoes.

[torn finch]

Honestly my 2 cents is she'll probably change the item texture but the armor model and texture will probably get left alone

The item is a bit like weird somehow

If I had any actual skill in art I could describe it better

[lean nebula]

It’s a bit hard to see in the hot bar for a start.

[torn finch]

I think like the shading is off or something idk

I've got it being used ingame, it's a tad just weird somehow idk

I couldn't fix it even if I knew what I didn't like so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Better than what I can do

Could be spoiled by aleki and other good artists

[lean nebula]

Yeah I can see that. Maybe the tones are a bit off. We’ll see what Aleki does. I’m sure it’ll look better than that. Not that I think it’s the worst but there’s room for improvement

[torn finch]

Definitely better than what pneumaticcraft was looking like for like a decade lol so hey

[torn finch]

I think it's probably the shading. The front boot at least has some weird I think contrast on the edges? The like brown color bordering the leather

It looks like it's a different material from the other boot

And like that's probably color theory bs which I don't understand at all

The only texture I've made so far is this lol https://github.com/Traister101/Sacks-and-Such/blob/dev%2F1.20/src%2Fmain%2Fresources%2Fassets%2Fsns%2Ftextures%2Fgui%2Fhorshoeslot.png

And I guess the GUI texture but that's really just using parts of other ones

[lean nebula]

It kind of seems to be an issue across all my leather textures. The gradient between the outline and the interior border of the items don't seem distinct enough and it makes it seems fluffy almost. That would be my way of describing it. Pillow shading I think that's called, though I might be wrong on that. The border on the waterflask is more pronounced because I don't use that light tone of brown near the border.

[torn finch]

I actually quite like the Waterflask lol

[lean nebula]

That’s what I’m getting at. The water flask has a better transition from the border to the inside of the texture. The others are a lot softer on that transition which is part of the issue.

I wonder if I had the same issue with the iron flask

A little but it's not as obnoxious as the boots.

[torn finch]

Vexxel must do some Waterflask textures, I used the metal one a good bit and I don't remember it looking like that lol

[lean nebula]

Probably. In the recent update I added back the water level from the older textures

You could also just be thinking of the 1.12 texture

[torn finch]

I actually never did a 1.12 play through

So I've got classic and 1.20 in me brain

[lean nebula]

Mad. I didn't play that much 1.12 but I can say you weren't missing out on much. Vessel were op in that version though.

[torn finch]

Well 1.20 cause of Lithic

Lithic is actually the only time I've played 1.20 mc

I did a little bit of messing about in the 1.18 TFC betas but I don't think I've played that version either

[lean nebula]

I've still gotta get Together We Thrive 3 out. I bet by the time it's ready for release, 1.21 tfc drops. Always the way.

[torn finch]

New version horny is strong

If TFC does the transition to components correctly it'll be awhile I expect

But they really didn't even transition to menus from 1.12 so

[lean nebula]

I haven't look too much into components. I wonder how it will benefit us.

[torn finch]

I'm intrigued with some aspects

But ultimately I'm going into them with the perspective of vanilla capabilities

That's not quite accurate but they attempt to encapsulate a similar idea

[lean nebula]

Would you say it’s an overall improvement of the old system or more the same?

[torn finch]

I've not had to deal with them yet

I think moving away from stack NBT is a good idea

But there's some unfun issues that can crop up

Like apparently items that shoot projectiles is dome via components

Thats cool, but how does that effect like providing ammo to a bow from like a quiver for example

Neo will probably have some sort of event for that but where? Patched into the component?

We used to patch the events into the bow item, is patching into the component better?

My containers obviously have over 64 stacks. That means I have to probably make my own component cause the vanilla one caps out at 99 from what I've heard

My stance, currently with my lack of actual experience using them is that it probably makes life harder for modders

For datapacks it's definitely a major improvement

The model component or whatever it is has a ton of utility

Custom game modes like Hypixel Skyblock could ship a resourcepack that looks correct in vanilla. That's massive

Though obviously such gamemodes are usually 1.8 based

So I doubt we'll see anything like that happen

[lean nebula]

Typically when things make things harder, people look for ways around it. For modders that’s no exception. I could imagine that if it makes modder’s lives harder, someone is going to make something that will make it a bit less hard.

[torn finch]

Well the way around components is just using NBT like we do in every version prior

[lean nebula]

The classic “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” except it is a little broke

[torn finch]

It's discouraged, but from my limited understanding I'm not sure how most Forge/Neo capabilities would actually work as a component

I'd have to see how vanilla handles bundles and shulkers

In 1.20 vanilla parses and directly manipulates the NBT of bundles to store their contents

I would expect components were created to make that less nasty

But I believe they are immutable so I'm not sure how that'd work with capabilities

Vessels, or my containers directly modify the capability to store the container contents. The capability is then serialized to NBT separately

Basically I guess what I'm getting at is I can mostly just speculate atm

However I'm quite confident in saying that this isn't anywhere near as big for modding as some people are making it out to be

Neither will data driven registration

It's the classic pitfall of over abstraction

Just as an example how do you compose a TFC barrel item in a fully data driven way?

[lean nebula]

Don’t ask me

[torn finch]

You need to interact with fluid capabilities in world, you need to interact with fluid blocks, you need to interact with TFC size/weight, you need to be a place able block, you need to store contents ect

It's a lot of stuff

A lot of stuff you have to write in a lot of different places just for what today is a single class with a couple method overrides

It's a lot more reusable which is cool, but at what cost

Most actual modded content I fundamentally cannot see being easier when we have data driven registration

When you have a bunch of building blocks that works great. When you have a sword but red that's also great. A jetpack? Not so much

We'll see, but I'm pretty confident in my stance atm

I think data driven registration will kill all the interesting mods that don't have a huge team like Create

[lean nebula]

My modding knowledge is limited, hell I spent an entirety of a day trying to get an if statement to work in KJS (it still doesn’t work) but from the sounds of all of that, there’s a potential it could help, but there’s a also a potential for it to make things harder unnecessarily.

[torn finch]

I think it'll be a mix

But it's still early days and I don't have any experience

I don't buy into the hype at all though

[lean nebula]

Plus it’s still a system Mojang themselves have yet to hear a lot of feedback on too. Maybe some improvements will be made.

[torn finch]

Vanilla is vanilla

It'll work fine for vanilla

If they want to add a jetpack they can just do that

[lean nebula]

Vanilla always works fine. It’s just a shame it’s not my kind of style.

[torn finch]

It's kinda like how Bedrock has datapack facilities for custom entities

You can register your own entities but ultimately it's just a rough template of a vanilla entity that behaves a bit different, looks a bit different and has different loot

Your left to using mcfunctions to make them do anything interesting and that's a nightmare

Way better off making a custom entity in code

That's honestly the best thing for me to point at as to why I think fully data driven registration isn't going to be pleasant

To such a degree I'm extremely confident both vanilla and mods will have a way to register custom items still

That is to say it won't be fully data driven

That's still off in the future, and I'm really doubtful it'll ever happen

[lean nebula]

Time will tell. In other news I have made the decision to keep the floofs one colour. Mainly because with the UV changes, adding extra tones give the appearance of mixels. I doubt anyone is going to look at the boots that closely or care that much. Now to make the floofs smaller

Blockbench only lets you use full integers for cube sizes and UVs with modded entities.

If Blockbench didn’t want me to use decimal values for cubes, they wouldn’t have let me copy and paste!

[torn finch]

That's weird, I'm pretty sure Java models are all floats

[lean nebula]

The values don’t seem to get changed when it’s exported, so it seems to be more an issue with the program than the file type.

[torn finch]

Ah okay the UVs are an int

I can see that messing with things

[lean nebula]

That's why I went and removed the tones on the floof. If it's all one colour, you won't notice that they've went wonky

[lean nebula]

If I had a nickel for every mod I have found that adds jiggle physics to Minecraft, id have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it’s happened twice.

[torn finch]

Ayo