versed creek
Game version: 2.1.17
Platform: Linux
The 'official' Munich map contains a number of artificial 'choke points' that tend to ruin the flow at those points (Sigonda's map doesn't seem to contain them). I think they should be fixed. I've attached those points.
versed creek
@snow token FYI
nocturne jasper
@tight coyote
tight coyote
so... about that. That was kind of a hotfix to prevent stations being able to be skipped.
However, with the new dlc, skipping stations is no longer without consequences, so I could take out the chokepoints.
nocturne jasper
but not everybody has the DLC and not every DLC owner plays the HP game every time
versed creek
Isn't the point of some stations to be skipped by faster trains?
maybe something like through-tracks for stations would be helpful
@tight coyote You still have stations like Gauting, which are 'correct'
tight coyote
yes, but there used to be problems with some stations being included despite there being a bypass.
as said, it was sort of a hotfix for multiple issues, but by now it should no longer be needed, no.
versed creek
Or alteration of passing stops in existing contracts 🙂 🙂
Especially something like Mammendorf is especially annoying because the 4-track sink becomes kinda useless.
tight coyote
the problem is with the automaticly generated contracts, or well, it was
I cant control how the map calculates possible routes beyond blocking them off.
versed creek
Yeah, but that problem still exists. And changing automatic contracts/stops could be an option too.
Oh and I skipped one in the report: Ostbahnhof
The automatic routes through Rangierbahnhof Süd are a nightmare, because often enough two stops are generated.
tight coyote
yeah that's the thing, I can't control the automatic routing. The only thing I can try do is put in walls to force it through a tunnel.
In a way, the map just isn't exactly the greatest for endless. One thing I'd like to have for that would be some kind of platform that can only be used by passing trains so there's no need to actually 'pass' the station entirely, but not make it an actual platform which can be stopped at to count.
else most stations become much less like the real thing from what it's now.
vapid sluice
I think in theory it's the "perfect" map for endless: because it's so big you can play it for a very long time and still add new things. Most other (smaller) maps you could be "done" with relatively quickly.
That said the map has certainly a big problem with the game: It's so big, you can't navigate it easily. There is no minimap, no "camera jumping", scrolling is slow etc.
versed creek
@snow token is working a new version, probably including current expansion projects.
I still hope the revive some version of M21. It's needed badly
snow token
I think in theory it's the "perfect" map for endless: because it's so big you ca...
That was my intention to make it a big map. You can focus on one part of the map, fully automate it and then focus on another part. Just like a puzzle and in the end you have a complete map 😉
snow token
<@265213494843015168> is working a new version, probably including current expan...
I'll look into your suggestions. Right now i'm testing my workshop map if it works as intended with the new update for the passengers
versed creek
That'd be cool
snow token
yeah that's the thing, I can't control the automatic routing. The only thing I c...
My map is a real depiction of a rail network. And some stations have tracks without a plattform. So the only thing to do was to build no plattform in game. In the picture you see that for example the Munic East Station doesn't have a plattform for track nr. 9 and 10.
tight coyote
My map is a real depiction of a rail network. And some stations have tracks with...
yeah, that's what I was reffering to. There isn't a good way to do this in game as of now, as there's only the option of a platform or empty space for bypass, which the automatic router doesn't work well with.
a way to 'sort of' fix that is making all bypass tracks their own station, but that is only a fix assuming players play nice and dont let commuters stop there instead
snow token
I was happy that my map was choosen as one of the contest winner. But the contest was about reallife networks. And my map was about it to experince the reallife network ingame. So i was very frustrated when i saw that there were many changes done to the map. And now it has little to do with the real network.
tight coyote
I'm not happy about it either, as weird as that may sound. the problem is that the game doesn't play nice with the map as it was.
and while there's a couple stations I could open back up without issue, the way routes are made are still like oil to the water that is this map.
snow token
Can't say much about that. I've no idea how the game calculates it's routes. When i created the map you could make your own contract. And plan your own routes.
By the time the game released 1.0 that wasn't the case anymore. But now you can thankfully do it again 🙂
tight coyote
yeah, that's a rather nice thing they brought back and as for contract generation, it used to be that trains would let you drive the trial where ever, and all stops they made were added to their list. It was a bit more flexible, although harder to visualise than the current system. The handholding it does for setting up routes is handy until it's not. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed creek
which is most of the time 😦
snow token
yeah, that's what I was reffering to. There isn't a good way to do this in game ...
I thougt about your suggestion. If i would make all bypass tracks their own station and give for freight IC, RE and RB all a value of 0. Then nothing should be generated for that station. And nothing should stop there, right?
vapid sluice
is your original München map in the workshop? I didn't see any at least not by an account with your name
tight coyote
I thougt about your suggestion. If i would make all bypass tracks their own stat...
Commuters will stop everywhere by default sadly
snow token
Yes it is. But it is outdated. Currently working on an update version for HP DLC.
And finding a way to add Ardra's ideas 😂
tight coyote
casually awaiting it to 'update' the in game map.
snow token
The map is called München mit Streckennetz (Munich with tracks) and the same map but without network Layout München ohne Streckennetz (Munich without tracks)
For the offical ingame map i can't do anything about it. I'm not a developer 😂
tight coyote
I'm only by technicality, but i'd be glad to rid myself of the mangled residu I left of your old map
I feel bad for it to this day, rather pull the plug on it than let it suffer in this state, but I can't just not have a replacement
versed creek
Yeah hence I opened the bug 😄
versed creek
Yes it is. But it is outdated. Currently working on an update version for HP DLC...
That bad? 😄
snow token
At least the map with the track layout where i automated the S-Bahn lines. The trains used to come out of the depots. But now all depots are empty, despite all contracts still existing.
snow token
I feel bad for it to this day, rather pull the plug on it than let it suffer in ...
Don't feel bad about it. You did what you had to do. What's done is done. It was my first try of making my own map. So it is far from perfect 😂
That's why i'm trying to update it and make it better. Perhaps you can give me a few tips to improve it. I would dm you, but right now i have to work.
tight coyote
Currently away from my pc, so its an unfortunate time for me also. Feel free to dm me when you've got time.
versed creek
I'm game if anyone needs ideas/suggestions.
I've now got close to 180 points on that map.
and I'm funnelling like 30 trains through Geltendorf
(and almost every PAX train meanwhile goes through HBF) 😁
trying some Augsburg-Salzburg bypass ICs.
versed creek
Also helpful would be to have freight stations where commuters don't stop.
snow token
All my freight stations only generate freight contracts. Just like TyperiMILOS wrote yesterday
"Commuters will stop everywhere by default sadly"
versed creek
Yeah 😦
snow token
*casually awaiting it to 'update' the in game map.*
You wrote this 11 days ago and on May 30th i send you a dm with my updated map. Still waiting on any kind of response.
tight coyote
yeah 😅, let me get to that rn now, have to upload another map I worked on in the meantime for something else that's planned
but it probably should be pretty much good as is, last I checked
so at least it's just a case of pushing the files to the cloud so they'll be there next game update
tight coyote
@nocturne jasper, The updated munchen map has been uploaded to the cloud. After syncing this with the current build, it should appear in the next update.
vapid sluice
is it now more similar to the latest version @snow token uploaded to the workshop?
snow token
It is the same map as my workshop map "Munich without tracks" yes
tight coyote
minus the signals on the unusable ends at terminus stations with walls behind the platforms
;P
nocturne jasper
@snow token @vapid sluice @versed creek sorry guys, I missed @tight coyote's notification in June, so the updated map will make it to the game in the next path
UPDATE: Chokepoints removed from München map
BUILD: 2.2.5