huge lag and no skins loading

[storm seal]

1,000th comment! 🥳

[long cargo]

NOOOO i completly forgot. I just thought yesterday that I will be the 1000th D:

[hushed zealot]

1.002nd

[calm patrol]

1003

[hushed zealot]

1004

[foggy heron]

Damn I missed 1000

1005

[deft locust]

Thats 1006 actually

1008

[foggy heron]

You obviously don’t play counting 😛

[hushed zealot]

Can we never get this counting thing right!

[foggy heron]

1009

[deft locust]

Lol

[deft locust]

That comment was 1005

[hushed zealot]

Im more lenient than the counting bot.

[foggy heron]

1010

🤪

[rough scaffold]

Fixed btw since v53 I think

[rough scaffold]

The only thing I took so far from this 1000+ msg thread is that now I call pop1, poo1 🤣

[devout hemlock]

We are rolling back the cache change due to some reports of additional issues. We are still working on this

[brisk dew]

I want to say thank you for rolling out fixes Big Box

[calm patrol]

thank you for being on top with this issue

[storm seal]

But you've added the textures to be stored locally again.
The game is trying to load off the server still because it probably doesn't have the correct path to the local textures.
Can't you update the path?

[fiery garden]

@devout hemlock That should stop the crazy data usage right? Hope it comes soon, glad to see it's hopefully fixed soon.

[flint sinew]

That would be too easy 😂

[quick plank]

When is the update eta? Just hopped on to see if there was an update but couldn’t find it

[kind sandal]

This sucks

[rough scaffold]

What exactly? There is so much stuff at the moment that it’s getting hard to follow 🤣

[kind sandal]

The fact that I haven't been able to play pop one in over a month.

[gritty ridge]

went 13/14 yesterday had 2 games where I was blue in the lobby but loaded skin once game started. Saw couple teleporters.

[outer grotto]

About the same here. I played quite a bit yesterday with only a few problems. I had only one game where it was laggy enough for me to pod out. Always have blue people at round start, but smooths out a few seconds in. At least I can finally play again. Still scared to look at the data usage.

[safe quail]

Are the skin assets really 35 gigs? If that's the case, are we at the point that we have too many skins? I can only see this problem getting even worse in the future. Big Box counts on selling new skins to generate revenue. So I can't see them changing their business model.

[fathom widget]

And there’s no point buying skins you can’t see… if they sold a bright blue PJ with diamond sunglasses I think I’d buy it lol 😂

[kind sandal]

OH PLEASE THIS

[orchid wedge]

I know people have a lot of other issues but this definitely feels like THE one that really matters right now.
Idk about skin prices when people can't see them anyway...

[storm seal]

There's a LOT of gun skins.
Plus it's not so much skins, but Textures. So all the map Textures as well.

[warped compass]

FYI - If anyone has been trying to re-run the localizer script from way earlier in these threads... The build number in the script needs to be v346 now.

[flint sinew]

So if you're using the localizer does that mean you actually have two copies of all assets? One put on your hard drive by big box that isn't even used, then another one used by the script?

Maybe somebody can make a script that forces the game to use what's already there.

[calm patrol]

or a script to make the game global

[warped compass]

thats the point of the localizer - so it's essentially all local

re-ran my localizer (due to my json being updated) today and was back to buttery smooth operations.

[flint sinew]

Yeah but one of the last updates was a local copy of all that (hence why the game is now like 40GB). So in essence you've got two copies of everything on your hard drive. Like 75GB total.

[warped compass]

I don’t believe that is accurate. My games asset folder added 15k NEW files thru the process. If it was a complete copy prior I would have been overwriting those files.

[rough scaffold]

I will try the localizer again. What is the current version?

[warped compass]

Change build number to v346

Game ran buttery smooth for me last night after redoing the process. Was perfect.

[rough scaffold]

Thanks! Will try that. I am so sick of all the loading. Freezes etc

[warped compass]

Just remember if you have multiple jsons in there - easiest to delete them all - launch to get the correct fresh one to feed the script.

[rough scaffold]

Yep

[fathom widget]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-23395435

[rough scaffold]

when you were downloading, were you monitoring your bandwidth by any chance? i had a stable 150Mbps download speed for the first 15-20 minutes and then the download speed crashed to 10Mbps. After additional 4-5 minutes it began to fluctuate between 15-100Mbps. What i gather from this is that the servers themselves cant provide the required bandwidth and not my local ISP which still provides me with 900+Mbps at the moment.

[warped compass]

Few things.. the script is threaded with a default of 6 and it’s 15k or so files. So it’s not one huge file coming down. Major fluctuations would be expected. Mine bounced between probably 15 and 200

The assets are also front by cloud front - so anytime the asset request goes it’s it’s going to load balance to various CF hosts.

These are also not the game servers (east/west/Europe)

[wispy spindle]

Is this a hard process to figure out?

[warped compass]

Depends on your level of knowledge with PCs - but it’s not horrible IMO

[wispy spindle]

K, I will track down the part of the thread with the explanation. It was close to the start right?

[warped compass]

Believe so, yeah. Shoot me a PM I can help you through it

[rough scaffold]

Script doesn’t help. I experience same freezes of 1-2seconds

[warped compass]

May have missed something - or it may have reverted back and it's didn't use the local path. If the game finds any oddity with the JSON it can overwrite it with a new version. Localizing these assets DOES help - without question.

[rough scaffold]

Maybe. But I still experience freezes. Can’t wait for them to fix this problem

[warped compass]

Process has to be redone after each update they do.

[rough scaffold]

i have only 1 json file.
not saying the script doesnt help somewhat (i didnt have any problems with textures loading) but it definitely doesnt fix lags and stutters with the game itself.
too many times today game just froze, either when i was flying, fighting, or even just standing in the lobby waiting for my squad.

[warped compass]

Not sure why it doesn’t help some either - those symptoms tho are exactly the issues I would have as well. Open you active json - does it have StandaloneWindows64 on all the objects ?

[rough scaffold]

yes

[cold forge]

Thank you. A few people were trying to figure out the new version number or running it with the older and getting error.

[orchid wedge]

Serious props to all the community members helping each other with workarounds 👍. Shows just how great the "great" is in this game and how much people want it back ❤️

[orchid wedge]

Idk much but could some of these be reduced in size? The game is already not photorealistic & I wouldn't mind if for example rocks were plain gray if they loaded smoothly 🙂

[wispy spindle]

@warped compass Spent a few hours helping me thru the process and it appears to work! My internet speed was 40mb/s and with this fix every single skin and gun appeared correctly! Not a single blue object! The speed was extreamly fast and smooth. Thank you for the help, I was about to give up!

[warped compass]

Right on. Remember - Anytime the game updates your json this has to be redone.

[outer grotto]

I've been able to play classic squads and comp since the changes to cashe. But I tried the evolving map and it wasn't playable at all with the lag and bugs.

[orchid wedge]

Have you tried Sandbox/TDM? Not necessarily as an alternative (although I personally love and would recommend it) but to see whether the same issues happen for you there

[outer grotto]

I haven't as I never play sandbox. I'd prefer to play evolving squads but that's not a permanent option 😂

[orchid wedge]

I wouldn't mind maybe:

-Classic Squads Pubs
-Evolving "Mode of the Week" Battle Royale Pubs (Legions, Metro Royale,Etc)
-Evolving Squads Ranked

Maybe that would cover the most ground?

Edit: but probably a subject for another thread lol
Like this one:
https://discord.com/channels/428667403950620679/1058527015411658763

[plucky beacon]

I was the complete opposite last night 🤣

Worst performance I've had out of the game in a long time...

Freezing, lagging & crashing 👌

I sent a message with issues I've experienced like other people a few weeks ago, but was never acknowledged

[rough scaffold]

I like the optimism and that we are still expecting a fix here. Frankly? I gave up….it is what it is. Both Firmware problems and the game problems. I am going back to just ignoring everything and enjoy the game when I can if it works ok-ish. Both Meta and BB lost me as a customer due to this cluster f*#% of updates since v54/poo1 update from end of may. I am not going to support them in anyway neither by digital goods or devices. All the best to BB and Meta with the current business plan of “min effort, max yield”.

[kind sandal]

What's insane here is that the localizer WORKS.

There is a solution to this problem that a PLAYER figured out and for now a month and a half the development team for this game has just stayed totally quiet.

Can we please light a fire here so I can resume using this fine piece of software??

[outer grotto]

Here is my experience. And what I sent Spike.

I tried the Evolving map mode today for the first time and it made my physically sick and I experienced something new. The left eye in my headset was a little laggy but "playable". The right eye was shifting back and forth every .25sec, non stop. I rebooted my headset and PC and tried again with the same result. Went back to playing Classic and it was fine. It was a trippy experience

[plucky beacon]

Mine freezes for a second and then the head turning motion is not at all smooth (kinda like what you're saying), usually fixes by putting the headset to sleep and waking it up...

Yesterday, every time I woke the headset back up...froze again and the same happened.

Took like 3 resets to get it actually...somewhat working.

(Using Oculus PC app + Quest 2)

[outer grotto]

I posted a clip of what I was experiencing before. It was the worst. At least I can somewhat play now

[plucky beacon]

A wild Pap is typing 👀🤣

[fathom widget]

I had the same sort of thing on index @plucky beacon turn my head left or right and the drag and blur in my headset was sickly… resets didn’t work stream or off stream it was the sam, removed all overlays was still the same - I sent everything to spike but no feedback yet that was 2 weeks ago 🥳

[craggy crater]

Skins take forever to load in. So when the match starts it and they finally do, it causes my visuals to freeze then speed up to try to catch up to where my head is. This makes me sick to my stomach. I've dealt with it. But i can see most just taking off their headsets. Along with seeing blue PJs with skins overlapping them as the game stutters and struggles to keep up...it's rough rn

[cerulean scarab]

I tried playing again yesterday after almost a month off. Classic squads worked using VD and so did custom rooms for a War League. Haven’t tried standalone because VD worked fine and haven’t tried evolving map.

[fiery garden]

Yea every couple weeks or so I pop my head in, get disappointed again and leave, crazy this isnt fixed yet....😓

[flint sinew]

I stopped poking my head in. I'm with @rough scaffold BigBox has abandoned this game and Meta has apparently abandoned their hardware. These are two companies I have zero confidence in.

[pure otter]

I tried jumping on with the Quest 2 yesterday. I hadn't played standalone in a few weeks. Every match started with a shit ton of lag. Most matches I was 600+ ping (when it should have been 30) for the first minute or two into the match. I couldn't exit my pod and other issues. No skins were loading... Effectively the first hour of play was painful.

No way anyone new to the game would stick around in it's current state. It's really bad. I'm not sure what the metrics are, but I can guarantee you that you lost a lot of potentials players recently.

Code should have been rolled back to when I first reported that LOTS of people were having issues. This is an "on fire" issue and it affects the people that play less frequently the most.

[inland furnace]

Stand alone just seems to get progressively worse by the day. Missing hands, teammates not being assigned to our team in lobby and then getting kicked from squad, players rubber banding everywhere and alternating between flying poses and teleporting to the new location. Guns lagging while shooting is a new one. I’m at a loss as to what’s going on. I get this is PCVR thread but agree with @pure otter so wanted to weigh in. It’s…. not good. And I’ve not ever had issues this bad nor this frequently.

[pure otter]

Much of what I noticed when I was on PCVR was Quest2 users struggling. All that lag we PCVR users were witnessing was the Quest 2 users struggling.
#1113278576939257946 message

One of the worst things you can do when there are netcode issues is crank up the speed. What a coincidence that they decided to crank up the speed twice since this problem began.

[austere chasm]

Game been unplayable for me on pcvr for over a month ...( apart from 1 week when the localiser worked and the game was beautiful ) standalone has started working for me over just the last week but it's not buttery smooth like it used to be so much more laggy play and random frame drops ...

[austere chasm]

,....................
......

Actually I've just played on quest with virtual desktop using steam version of pop1 and the skins seem to be actually caching after theve loaded for first time.. I might have just had a lucky few games lol

[wispy spindle]

After a few days of using the v346 localizer a lot of the issues are still gone. The only thing I noticed 2 times was a clear AWP shot landing in the evolving map. Then 3 seconds later it registering visualy and audibly.

[rough scaffold]

chiming here again. Using the localizer works!
I am guessing all the other issues i experience when playing are Quest 2 related.

If you are on PCVR, use the localizer script, and keep using it after every update till BB will figure it out (not really sure what needs to be figured out here if a fix already exists but oh well....)

[fathom widget]

Will that work with index too?

[remote forge]

@rough scaffold @warped compass hey yall, ive been trying to run the localizer but have been stuck at loading 63%, any chance either of you have an explanation or a fix? thanks!

[warped compass]

Something corrupt with the json …. Delete the jsons from the user folder. Loving again to get a fresh copy.

Move that to the scripts folder and run the py again. Also you did modify the script and change the build to v346 correct?

[remote forge]

yes i modified to v346 then downloaded all the assets

then replaced the original json with the new one

i did delete the existing json before i downloaded the assets

and obviously rebooted pop to get a new one and did it with a fresh json

[warped compass]

Hmm. And you copied all the assets into the correct destination folder? The times mine got stuck at 63% it was because I had the wrong version so I didn’t have all the assets.

[remote forge]

oh shit

ill try that now

[warped compass]

Did you not copy the assets to the standalone64 folder yet?

[remote forge]

doing that now yeah i forgot!

should idelete all the files that are already there?

or hjust paste on top>?

[warped compass]

No. Not yet. Get them all in the right folder and give it a shot before starting over

Yeah. Paste on top. Safe to overwrite if files exist. The DL versions would be newer anyway

[remote forge]

got it

yeah replacing the old ones

thank you so much

[warped compass]

Sure thing!

[remote forge]

holy shit, the game works now, wtf

[remote forge]

im on index, localizer fixed the blue pjs and i am seeing actual skins for the first time in almost 2 months, no lag, no teleporting

[fathom widget]

Ok im down to try it! Does anyone know what the process is to do this localiser thing? I am old remember lol simple steps would be so much appreciated

[remote forge]

i just followed this video

https://www.icloud.com/photos/#051PZV_P7rU271YCIPbE7LYHg

just be sure to change the build version to v346

[fathom widget]

Thank you ill give this a go 🤗 🦋

[remote forge]

@warped compass btw, knowing now that you have to do this every update how do you find the current build version next time bigbox fucks everything up with a new update

[fathom widget]

It says the owner stopped sharing the file

[warped compass]

I’ll try and stay on top of this for a bit…. It’s not a trivial process (least how I found it). Maybe there’s a better way.

Someone just PM me if it changes and I don’t notice it.

[remote forge]

thanks @warped compass youre literally doing all big boxes work for them

[warped compass]

Shot you a PM @fathom widget

[warped compass]

Just helping people get the script working — I take no credit for the script itself. Someone else wrote that.

[remote forge]

@fathom widget https://we.tl/t-5IysgzAosS

heres the link for the video, good for 7 days

[warped compass]

… and as a side note - this isn’t sustainable for BB to actually install every asset during the install and run them locally - the install becomes way to large and then they can’t add skins and assets in as easily on the fly like they do now.

Which is why the unity engine’s caching mechanism is suppose to take care of this behind the scenes.

But it’s a good workaround until they can figure out the unity engine bug

[rough scaffold]

lol. I downloaded the video and then I noticed it was my voice 🤣

Here is the link again to the video on my iCloud:
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0ecgl5lNg_ye-AxZ6jQt8crfQ

@fathom widget

I am not really an “apple” guy so if you know how it can be permanently shared that would help 🙂

[fathom widget]

Legend thank you 🙏🏼 I’ll see if this works when I hop on my pc shortly and help you out with iCloud 🤗

[fathom widget]

Boys... thank you so much for your help... I am so bad and more so nervous/unconfident when it comes to this kind of stuff - i got totally lost on how to do this successfully! Hopefully BB sort it soon so we don't have to mess around 🤞

[rough scaffold]

Hi! trying to help papi here, she has an index and plays the steam version. the process is a bit different. i was able to find the json in steam directory for the game but for some reason when running the script i get an error on multiple lines "get_url". anyone with index\on steam and used the script that can help?

[fathom widget]

@remote forge did yo say you followed the localiser fix thingy for Index?

or @warped compass was you on Index too? Me an PikPukPak came up against an error just seeing if its simple to sort

[warped compass]

Process is the same for either version. Only difference is the games install path

[fathom widget]

@rough scaffold wonder if we did it in the oculus file path instead of index?

[craggy crater]

I haven't been able to figure it out on index either. I'm sure it's possible but no idea what I need to change to make it work.

If someone gets it working on index through steam it would be nice to know the different steps we need to take to get it working.

[fathom widget]

Xyzlor and Pikpuk have helped me im just trying to get my head around it - i'll let you know if it works my end

[remote forge]

There really aren’t any different steps for index- most likely just a different pathway to the folders you have to reference in CMD

Just follow this

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0ecgl5lNg_ye-AxZ6jQt8crfQ

[rough scaffold]

For some reason the script brings back errors when trying to use the json of the steam version.

[gritty ridge]

Like this?

[remote forge]

That happened to me a bunch until I put in the correct build number

[gritty ridge]

Yep was just about to mention that, I let it finish but then saw the build form github was like 240 something and changed it to 346 an just restarted it and now its running great with no errors.

[remote forge]

Awesome

[gritty ridge]

@rough scaffold

[warped compass]

You are not using the right json. Check your PMs.. you need the one from your c:\users .... folder.

[storm seal]

NGL. Being unable to play the game has given me more time to focus on projects.

[ancient yacht]

Yep. There’s a lot more to life than trying to fix a vr game yourself that’s unplayable lol

[rough scaffold]

But isn’t it the json file from the Oculus version? Steam is using the same json file?
I don’t think so….
Also when I deleted all the json file in the user directory and asked papi to start the game via steam no new json was generated. But on a steam folder with bunch of numbers that are associated to the steam game I found the correct json for the pop1 steam version which also generated again after I deleted all the json files in that folder. I took the newly generated json.

But the script doesn’t want to work with this json

[rough scaffold]

WORD!

[warped compass]

Yes. I am sure. I’ve walked a number of people thru this on both versions. The json with the asset list in stored in the users appData location.

[rough scaffold]

thanks!

[rough scaffold]

Not working for papi unfortunately. I believe it’s the wrong json as it’s associated with the Oculus version of the game and not steam version.

[warped compass]

Something else is going on. The json does get stored there. I’ve done this for steam versions. I’m Working with papi still.

[fathom widget]

We have a result for Index... Just gone through the process again with a fine tooth comb and user error (pap is pants with tech) I copied the wrong json file! @warped compass @rough scaffold thank you so much for your time - hugely appreciated. I loaded into 3 lobbies... no lag or frame drops and all skins crystal clear! BigBox... hire these people! ❤️ 🦋

@craggy crater ☝🏼

[craggy crater]

Nice! Going to spend the time this evening and try to get it working. Ty for the update

[fathom widget]

Xyzlor was really helpful and patient as was Pik... I am the worst at tech i'd help happily, but reach out to one of them as they made it so easy

[warped compass]

PM me if you run into problems or have questions... Happy to help...

[rough scaffold]

Amazing to hear!!! Have fun 🙂

[kind sandal]

It's just bananas that we're doing this again.

About six or seven months ago, this SAME problem occurred and the Localizer was developed and worked great. About a day after the Localizer got figured out, the game got patched and started working again.

And now here we are again. And we've been stuck here for a month and half.

I'm thrilled that the Localizer works but.... Haven't we already DONE this??

[fiery garden]

https://media.tenor.com/nXOMqLCjYwIAAAAM/vaas-definitionofinsanity.gif

[craggy crater]

Got it working! It's like playing pop1 for the first time all over again. I really didn't know how bad it was till now. Thank you @fathom widget#0 ! Wouldn't have given it another try if it wasn't for ya. And thank you @warped compass#0 you're the GOAT. Thank you for the amazing ass guide. I followed it easily and got it up in running in no time!

[warped compass]

Right on! Glad to hear that write worked out! 🙂

[fathom widget]

Pleased it’s sorted for you! Let’s go pew pew 🔫 ❤️🦋

[gritty ridge]

1174

[craggy crater]

1175

[inland furnace]

1176

[agile owl]

Finally did localizer script today.... While I only had blue characters in lobby to start, I can agree with others it still felt like night and day difference. Never saw a single blue character even for a couple seconds!

[hushed zealot]

1178

[wispy spindle]

How often do new JSON files get created where we need to update?

I saw my first blue guy today in 2 weeks

[outer grotto]

I've been able to play on VD for a few weeks now. However I am only able to play Classic Squads and Custom rooms (comp). The evolving map is unplayable for me. Even after sticking it out for a round hoping it smooths out. It doesn't.

[flint sinew]

I found the easiest solution was to stop playing pop1. Much less stress to just check this thread once a week.

[rough scaffold]

on every update of the game

[wispy spindle]

I restarted my computer and headset and everything was back to good so far.

[stray lake]

I volunteer to test on virtual desktop and quest 2, and run any tests you guys want, in order to fix this issue. I really enjoy playin the game and want to see it get better. I should get my right controller Friday july 21 so can test from that point.

[kind sandal]

Bug fixed????? Anybody able to confirm???

[calm patrol]

i never had many issues to begin with

[warped compass]

@devout hemlock are you able to confirm if the caching bug fix in today release notes is a true fix?

[kind sandal]

Awesome thanks for that

[agile owl]

well now im having a brainfart on where i get the buildnumber for to update localyzer incase this doesn't work. guess can get it from log if need be though

[calm patrol]

11680347

[crystal dragon]

Yes, this patch contains a fix for the caching.

Assets should be downloaded once now, an not need be redownloaded (as long as your device has enough space ~30 GB on PCVR).

[calm patrol]

this isnt once per session right? its a one and done?

[crystal dragon]

Correct, it retains between launches of the game

[calm patrol]

thanks for staying on top of this

[agile owl]

is PCVR still going to have all assets in the build like you previously noted or are we back to trying to keep them all in cache even for pcvr?

[calm patrol]

hopefully this thread can die today, less than 2k messages

[crystal dragon]

The assets are downloaded as needed & cached. This keeps the app size small & allows us to add skins without an entire game update.

It should no longer affect gameplay.

Let us know if there continues to be issues with this.

[calm patrol]

so if you see a skin for the first time, it downloads the skin, and only the skins you see for the first time

[agile owl]

is a hybrid approach an option for those on pcvr? include all thats available in build and then any new skin on the fly is delivered in cache and used? seemed to be that way before and reduced even the little lag at start for first game since most all would be there

[crystal dragon]

Not at the moment, but possibly in the future.

This is an entirely new system than the one we were using last year, so we can't compare to that previous system unfortunately.

The caching fix should fix the issues described in this thread. Let us know if there's still lag & large bandwidth usage after playing some matches.

[agile owl]

this a upgrade to using unreal5?

[crystal dragon]

No, this is still Unity, but we store all the assets differently

[devout hemlock]

Thanks for tagging in Bagel!

[agile owl]

ahh gotcha. was hanging on the word 'system' so had the mind wondering here how big of a change yall ventured there lol

[outer grotto]

I'm not showing any update available. Did it not release yet?

[calm patrol]

its been out

pop1 auto updates on quest

[outer grotto]

Well, I play the rift version. Says it was updated a month ago

[devout hemlock]

version number should be 1.2.40717

[outer grotto]

Mine still says 1.2.35445

[devout hemlock]

uninstall/instal

[rough scaffold]

Amazing! Can anyone confirm if this fix works? Can’t believe this is going to be fixed.

Now if only Meta fixed the Wi-Fi issues on the quest….or roll us back to pre v54 that could be amazing!!

[craggy crater]

Stuck at work. Anyone test this and compare it to the localizer? Ill test when i get home later

[wispy spindle]

I uninstalled and reinstalled twice. The games boots and stalls at "Loading 0%"

When I uninstall it only reinstalls 6.5gb is this correct for the 13 GB game. Do I need to delete cache files?

[outer grotto]

13GB? Sheeeet, mines 51GB!

[craggy crater]

Mine wont go past 37%

[wispy spindle]

I think 12gb is referring to the basic game install, the cache probably adds up to 51. When I get home I'll try to reinstall and screen clip post.

[wispy spindle]

Yes!!! That is exactly what happened before I uninstalled and reinstalled. 37 percent and after the reinstall it is 0%

[devout hemlock]

Try restarting headsets when running into this, a known OS issue

ALSO

check if you have an update to the headset OS pending. I have helped 4 people today and there was an update pending that was the cause of all issues

[craggy crater]

I went in and deleted the JSON and all files inside that folder and it immediately loaded up.

[wispy spindle]

I will try when I get home. Thanks

[waxen sparrow]

Doesn’t look like the update did anything. Game is still trying to download skins

Has anyone found the new build number so we can use localizer?

[waxen sparrow]

@warped compass

[craggy crater]

Game works smoothly for me but i am on very good internet right now. I'll have to test when I get back to my college internet.

Way better then before. No blue PJs at all.

[waxen sparrow]

If I’m on good internet it loads the skins fast but I’m using 100mbps for about 10 seconds. On my bad internet at home it takes longer than the game lasts

[craggy crater]

Definitely would be nice to get the version number just in case. Nothing beats not having to download anything.

[warped compass]

If it only happens the first time the game sees the skin - that would be fine.

[flint sinew]

I uninstalled and reinstalled the Steam version and it's 11.6GB (before running the game). I assume that'll grow with the cache. I'll try playing tonight.

[warped compass]

I can figure this piece out here in a bit 🙂

[waxen sparrow]

It’s happened for 6 games so far

[warped compass]

Notice same initial blue skins when hitting the lobby? Not great sign if that’s the case

[safe quail]

I just got done playing for three hours straight. Didn't see a single blue skin.

[warped compass]

FYI: Asset version number is unchanged.

[devout hemlock]

working with the platform on that one!

[waxen sparrow]

Yes

[warped compass]

I did a full uninstall and deleted my json files in users folder then reinstalled… maybe worth a shot

[waxen sparrow]

I did uninstall, deleted all game files and reinstalled. I’ll try it again thoh

[flint sinew]

Pico 4, VD and Steam, running great now! Cache seems to be working now!

[devout hemlock]

[waxen sparrow]

So after loading in to about 30 lobbies I’ve stopped seeing blue skins except for every once in a while and ping going down to normal So it seems like they are getting stored

[pure otter]

Game ran much more smoothly on PC tonight. And I only saw very few people having significant lag (probably their internet). So it looks to be a big improvement. (Only tested it on PC tonight).
I saw blue skins on first load in, but they were all loaded before the round started. And after that, it was rare to see a blue skin in lobby.

[waxen sparrow]

I think only people with really poor internet are going to think their game is broken until every skin gets downloaded

[pure otter]

I had pretty much given up on the game and have been playing other games due to frustration, but coming back tonight was refreshingly nice.

[gritty ridge]

May need to delete the JSON file if you did the localizer.

[wispy spindle]

Correct 💯! Once I deleted the JSON that the localizer created. The game sat at 0%for 3seconds and then loaded. I saw blue PJs every game for 10 to 15games progressively reducing in load time. Thanks All for keeping this issue at the top and getting it solved!

[wispy spindle]

Hey now, I pay $130 a month for 40mbs. This is all that is available in my neighborhood. It is far from "poor internet" for the amount I spend. 😁. Maybe call it "bandwidth thrifty "

We are going to get some commercials made where sara Maclaucklin sings" arms of an angel"🥺

[craggy crater]

I work near a major airport and the max speed I get at work is 6 mbps due to greedy evil internet companies. It sucks. I'm glad they were able to get this working

[agile owl]

its the same as before i believe. same number was in logs on loading in, which the json number is identical too so makes sense thats the case

[fathom widget]

Guys... i am stuck at loading 37%... i did the json localiser workaround does anyone have any ideas on the fix?

[gritty ridge]

I had that yesterday, did it hang there for more than 10 seconds? If you're using the localizer what worked for me was going to that folder that the guy has you make the shortcut to and delete the JSON files. When you re-open pop it should re-create those files on load. See if it advances, that worked for me.

[warped compass]

Oh MAN that's rough.... I pay $70 for a 1G bidirectional connection....

[pure otter]

Yeah, it's $180 for 1G here, because of lack of competition. Everywhere around us within a mile that has competition is between $70-$80 for 1G unlimited.

[gritty ridge]

75 or ATT Fiber 1 gig up/down here

[fathom widget]

Got it 👍🏼 yeh it was just sat there making its self a cuppa tea 🫖

I deleted the localiser and it loaded… still bright blue PJs but after game 3 it settled! Playable!

I’ll uninstall/reinstall tonight just to so it’s fresh

Weller look at us 2 having a conversation 😂

[gritty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/paz-peace-dove-flying-bird-gif-16527436

[pure otter]

The neighborhood here blocked AT&T from expanding in 2005. So we never got AT&T fiber. That would have also allowed Google Fiber.

We are stuck with Cox only. And only our neighborhood. So all the neighborhoods around us have all 3, and prices are $55-$80. But since Cox has no competiton in our area, its $180.

[rough scaffold]

One of the laggiest sessions I had since I used the script. Last 5 games were completely unplayable.

Will try to use the localizer again

[fathom widget]

Oh no! So the fix isn't fixed you think? Im going to try and uninstall reinstall to clear the files and go without the localiser... but maybe we may have to you think?

This is giving me anxiety lol 🤣 I gonna go open a bottle of vino F**k it lol

[rough scaffold]

Dunno. Just my own experience. And Mzabal as well

[hushed zealot]

Jeee you guys pay hella lot for internet!

[craggy crater]

Its a legalized monopoly. We could have futuristic level speeds if the government cared. At least here in the states

[rough scaffold]

Yea…. I thought Israel was extremely expensive in everything. But here fiber connection 1gps download 100mbps upload costs only 35$ per month.

[hushed zealot]

I think we pay £20 for 200mbps

[kind sandal]

I had a chance to play today..

And the problem persists.

After playing one round, all player skins were blue at the start of the next. As if the assets had downloaded and then disappeared at the start of the next round.

Please help.

[calm patrol]

someone said it took a while but it did download all games

[safe quail]

Crazy.. yesterdays patch fixed the game 100% for me. It's hard to understand how it is working for some people and not others.

[waxen sparrow]

Pap it didn’t seem fixed for me at first but after joining 20-30 pubs matches and leaving before game started it finally downloaded the majority of the skins and now game runs fine until I run into a new skin that I havnt seen yet.

[waxen sparrow]

I pay 240 for 80gb cellular data and get up to 30mbps down. This is why it would take me like 20min to load in 1 skin 😭

[fathom widget]

I just did the same... Playes 8 games and by the end of the 3rd everything loaded only i was blue till it got in game... I am just about to uninstall reinstall and see if that helps... thanks god we have a fix though hey

[warped compass]

Those still having issues -- Y'all do have plenty of free space on your C:\ drive correct? The unity engine caches the files, unfortunately, into your Users LocalLow folder by default. (Personally I would REALLY prefer the cache go where the game is installed).

[waxen sparrow]

I think u will see blue skins again until they all get a chance to be downloaded which will take some time because there’s a lot. I think that’s why the game is only 11gb now because we aren’t downloading all of the assets until we need them in game then they get stored in game folder for later

Like I said I had to load into like 20-30 lobbies til I got one with no blue skins and I stopped using a lot of data. Helps if you select all the skins in your inventory to get a head start on getting them downloaded too

[fathom widget]

Good thinking batman! Fingers crossed...

[flint sinew]

You should consider StarLink. It'd be like 100 bucks cheaper. I switched over from cell and don't regret it.

[waxen sparrow]

I have one trees too tall thoh

[flint sinew]

Mount that shit to the tree! 😅

[tawdry scarab]

I have 100mb for 6 bucks + mobile included.. (a month)

[stray lake]

Hello I played yesterday I still see a bit of blue skins but it almost seems it gets better over time. I will play today and see what happens using quest 2 and virtual desktop and my ping is under 30ms usually

[warped compass]

That’s normal - since the caching is working, as the client sees more “previously unseen” skins the lobby stuttering will reduce.

Would be cool if there was a setting we could enable to go precache this stuff in game

[silk hollow]

Totally agree. This is the only game I play on the headset and I would be happy to give it the whole hard drive.

[chilly saddle]

Yikes, yeah same here man. Can’t even play connected via Oculus Cable. Stand-alone working fine tho. Can we just get the previous version back from when it worked? 😂😮‍💨

[pure otter]

odd, mine was working perfectly via cable yesterday.

[craggy crater]

Gotta play till all the blue pjs load in once then its good. I feel a lot of people load in, see the blue pjs and immediately log out and assume it's not working.

[cerulean scarab]

I am no longer experiencing the huge lag. But now I can only listen and not talk to people. Anyone else have this same issue and were able to troubleshoot?

[calm patrol]

check mic permissions, check mic input settings

[rough scaffold]

I don’t know what to tell you guys. I still experience massive lags. I can’t play like this. Can’t build. My shots don’t register and most times today I shot someone. Nothing happened and suddenly I see 100+ above the enemy.

If I put builds, it takes them longer than a second to appear. And in a lot of close range combat my image just freezes.

[pure otter]

Where are you located?

[rough scaffold]

Israel

[rough scaffold]

nvm. Replaced my router and everything seems to be working fine now. No more lags that I am aware of. Even the microstutters are mostly gone now. Finally had a session where I could actually play and my shots registered!!! Dunno what happened to my router in the past 2 months but am so happy I can play normally again.

[warped compass]

Sometimes they just 💩 the 🛏️ .. sometimes they get infected with malware .. sometimes they need a factory reset.

[ancient yacht]

Or just need to be unplugged so the cache can empty

Mine needs it every couple months then it’s immediately fast again

[safe quail]

I am confused because unplugging a router doesn't clear it's cache. You have to log into the router and manually clear it.

[ancient yacht]

This explains it pretty well.

https://www.howtogeek.com/165110/do-i-really-have-to-unplug-my-cable-modem-for-at-least-10-seconds/

It’s the first thing I do if my internet gets slow and fixes it a lot

[warped compass]

Not quite accurate — a lot of the newer routers run a Linux shell underneath with storing cache in temp folders that Linux purges on a boot cycle. Further - routine tables and such get built and stored in runtime memory. Sometimes tho get garbled up and it needs a power cycle to clear.

[warped compass]

Yeah I just schedule mine to reboot once a week middle of the night. Has stabilized a lot of random performance issues.

[safe quail]

Yeah I can't speak for all routers, but Netgear nighthawk routers hold the cache even after being unplugged. I know my router is causing issues with menus loading, because if I completely bypass my router and go wired from modem to computer and then to headset everything loads perfectly. It sucks because this was never an issue. I even factory reset the router but that didn't fix anything.

[pure otter]

DNS cache? That gets held in multiple points between you and Internic. It can happen at your computer, your router, your default DNS server... potential other servers... all the way up...

Your nighthawk might suggest a different DNS server than your modem. (if you are using default DNS)

Often the worst DNS server to use is the one provided by your ISP.

[rough scaffold]

yea.....if it was a matter of turning it off and on again that would have been great.....
unfortunately problem persists even after restart.
I replaced my router and 0 problems since in terms of connectivity, stutters etc....
Some lobbies people jump around the place but that is normal behavior for this game.

I wish BB would clean the table from bugs for a change after ±3 years since release. Pretty insane the amount of glitches we have.
Still, none of the current problems are game breaking, just annoyance....
Really having a blast in the past couple of days and i am so happy the game is working well for me again.

I was also able to resolve the artifacts on Q2 by lowering the resolution in VD\Air Link if someone has those.

feel free to check out the following tips:
https://communityforums.atmeta.com/t5/Get-Help/Tips-and-fixes-for-problems-since-v53-Stutters-Crashes-Lags-and/m-p/1071470#M224288

[ancient yacht]

I’ve been so discouraged with this game not working that I haven’t even bothered playing to be honest but thanks for the tips! I might give it a shot here later this week

[rough scaffold]

last week the game was so broken for me that i just had to stop and figure it out. glad i did. its been a frustrating couple of months, not only in pop1, but with the headset in general that just didnt work correctly.

[safe quail]

@rough scaffoldWas your old router causing issues in other games or was it just pop1?

[rough scaffold]

i dont have other MP that i know well that i can test and compare.
single player games ran fine in most part....but not like they used to (especially steamvr games)

[orchid wedge]

I was in a similar situation (on standalone) but things are all sorted for me now, maybe it will work just fine for you now too

[quaint cliff]

It’s been awhile yall. I’m back, how has this problem gone? Have they gotten any closer to fixing it?

[craggy crater]

They fixed it. Blue PJs will only be at the beginning of a new update. then they auto load the skins after the first time loading in

[rough scaffold]

Yes. Problem is fixed now

[quaint cliff]

Nice. Now that it’s fixed, might play the game again!

I guess I can say the Juggernaut is back baby!

[calm patrol]

oh no bureau boy is back

[quaint cliff]

Yes I am, and actually the break from VR was refreshing

[outer grotto]

I took a few weeks off. I came back because they brought back the Evolving map. But it's so laggy for me still and I want to know if you're experiencing the same... Classic squads is good. Custom lobbies on the evolving map (Comp) is good. Public games on the evolving map are unplayable.... I'm so tired of just playing classic 😦 And to add, I have factory reset my headset and uninstall/reinstalled on my PC several times.

[fathom widget]

Have you tried resetting your router also? My game is good since the assets issue was sorted, but I also did the same as most the people above in this feed… reinstalled the game and reset the router.

[outer grotto]

I have a few times. I just don't understand why I have zero issues in a custom lobby but not in a public game. What's the difference?

[fathom widget]

Mmmmm I had this prior to the asset issue. But since then my games smooth. It does take 2-3 public games on evolving map to become smooth though. It’s not instant. But by the end of game 2-3 it’s back to playable.

Maybe one of the guys here can help you more they’ve been really helpful getting peeps back in the game!

[outer grotto]

I mean I haven't given it 2-3 games. I usually give up after 1 and go back to classic

[fathom widget]

Are you still seeing blue PJs or are the skins all loading in for you?

[outer grotto]

Not since the hot fix.

[kind sandal]

So I have finally had a chance to play a little bit.

And the problem is better, but not perfect. The beginning of every round, a lot of blue skins and high ping. Big hesitations and freezes. Floating enemies. It only lasts about two minutes instead of 5-10. So it's an improvement but it seems like the cache still isn't really "holding onto" skins.

[safe quail]

I just checked my data usage for the past 30 days. Pop1 downloaded 127 gigs. Prior to the last patch I was using over 500 gigs per 30 days. Pop 1 shows last patch was 22 days ago so some of that 127 gigs was before the patch. So it seems like the cache is for the way it supposed to now. At least for me.

[rough scaffold]

Cache is fine as well for me. But yesterday after 21:00 CET game just became laggy to the point I had to quit. Dunno why. Just started out of nowhere

[gritty ridge]

1333

[fathom widget]

Same... I had that awful drag in my headset and only way i can describe it was the game felt 'wobbly' restartedheadset and PC verified files all teh usual stuff and it was still like it today 😦

[austere chasm]

OK I'm back here after a few weeks glad to see it's potentially been fixed I'll post my experience tomorrow after a good long session tonight