Implement Better Anti-Cheats/Safeguards

[quaint grove]

If they notice this post is getting nuked so hard but I agree

[wind spear]

Yup gonna have to.

What would be the something we could do on the matter specifically (Xigncode or otherwise)? To note on some of the following possible options:

Changing from Xigncode to something else entirely: Long time players may remember when Elsword used to use X-Trap and GameGuard, which had similar complaints: Not effective in stopping problematic players and impacting game performance. While the latter hasn't been said and isn't the point in the thread, it's something that was mentioned by players at times.

Update Xigncode: Something we can look into if it isn't in the process already. Will have to take time to patch it out and stop it for as long as possible.

All in all, each one has their problems so switching over might deter temporarily before it becomes a similar situation. Unless we go with something super heavy duty on the level of Valorant's anti-cheat, which can be more problematic, it won't be better than a human for it, especially to avoid false-positives.

[harsh palm]

Honestly either a kernel level ac or just updating xigncode yeah. Macros do work in this game despite it being said it's against the rules. You probably just need to look into repeat anti human actions. Repeated movements and key presses is a red flag to bot use

Some of the best anti cheats are easy and vanguard idk how expensive easy is but is the problem getting any better against bots? Not sure

I hate having to log in and use the website to report things, Id like to be able to use discord instead

[brazen hinge]

Kernel level is rly controversial and I’m p sure xigncode is one anyways.

Anticheats and cheating in general is and always will be a cat and mouse game

I’m assuming it’s alr being worked on and updated anyways cuz oh wow we haven’t rly seen much cheaters often, only thing is botting which again is just cat and mouse game. Gl patching it out entirely as new methods are gonna get found and bypassing kernel level AC is stupidly simple if it isn’t secure enough

Literally valorant etc can be bypassed rly easily it’s just

Expensive.

But most people especially the certain people who make a living out of elsword from certain things obv are gonna buy stuff to bypass MAC address / hardware bans etc and just spoof and buy more devices (forgot the name) to bypass in general

[wind spear]

Indeed, this is a great way to sum it up.

[brazen hinge]

Fake drivers, arduinos etc

There’s sooooo many ways and a lot (and I mean a lot) of zero days still out there

The point of anticheats is to make cheating inconvenient or too expensive, which yes kernel level already has (and I should add xigncode is already kernel level) so there’s generally not too much we can really do as it’s out of kogs hands

[brazen hinge]

@harsh palm ^

It’s unfortunate but it’s out of their hands and there’s really not much better than xigncode, all anticheats have their issues and if there’s a new exploit it usually goes around to all the anticheat devs anyways

And kog doesn’t rly have the manpower to make their own (nor should they, literally unneeded)

Only one I’d prob consider is easy anticheat to be implemented because xigncode does use a lot of resources and has some privacy concerns. That would be a better suggestion.

Also easy anticheat is just better.

More well maintained, not really much privacy issues etc etc

But easy is generally about double the cost, and xigncode is also developed by a Korean company (Wellbia) so elsword prob uses it because local company and way cheaper for Korean devs as well

(Wellbia sells it to Koreans devs for less than market rate)

Either way it’s not gonna happen unless Korea switches so this talk is kinda pointless but just wanted to put info out there on why xigncode is used

[brazen hinge]

Also there’s way more issues with the game rn this isn’t a priority

[clever tusk]

ah so thats why we use malware uwu

[brazen hinge]

🔥

Blame kr

[clever tusk]

lol

[azure ruin]

anti cheat don't really help and just hinder user experience/make performance worse

there are people that play elsword on steam on Linux for example, it just works rn without having to anything

if they update the anti cheat in certain ways it could leave out these people and it wouldn't stop cheaters any more than it does now

back when els used game guard it didn't even work on my PC, it was literally the reason I stopped playing for like 10 years or whatever

[shrewd agate]

We need bot detecters more than anticheat

[clever tusk]

Honestly ... At this point just let it be the wild west xD

At least streaming would be back on the table owo

And deck wouldn't be hit or miss every update

Nah jk but it would be cool to have those xD

[brazen hinge]

To be fair I’m almost certain it’s out of their control (iirc??? KR uses xigncode too)

[shrewd agate]

Well yes if what we talk about is guaranteed to not go to nexon then this thread won't give any fruit