#Board change + weekly mission change + sd change + trade change

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brave quiver
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But yeah not wrong

fading jewel
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But think about it

torpid hare
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AE followed by VF

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that's for sure

fading jewel
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If we did do it during AE

brave quiver
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Yeahhhh

hot fog
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You don't need ae or vf

brave quiver
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Except popcorn lolll

sharp crescent
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-> new raid coming out

torpid hare
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i do need AE 5/5... actually nerdge

sharp crescent
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-> new ib acc system coming out

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I think I should probably get the new ib.

brave quiver
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Yeah lol

hot fog
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You don't, you really don't just ignore it until KoG does somethign

brave quiver
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And wow none of those changes are from na server lollll

sharp crescent
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ngl

green elm
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no they definitely do

brave quiver
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All from Korean server aha

sharp crescent
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I think if we just made a post in KR forum

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this would work better

torpid hare
sharp crescent
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LOL

brave quiver
green elm
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everytime another regions screenshots of a character overperforming gets leaked into kr

sharp crescent
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wait u can’t buy ring off board

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gg

brave quiver
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But also Koreans are racist

green elm
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"waa waa nerf this class now!"

hollow prism
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only solution to fix na is get elon musk addicted to elsword and gives everyone 1b kching

torpid hare
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that would ruin the economy ICANT

green elm
sharp crescent
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we wouldn’t need an economy if everyone had 1B Ching

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just +13 4head

green elm
sharp crescent
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🤣🤣🤣🤣

fading jewel
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Ez

torpid hare
tribal sentinel
green elm
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but you know like

fading jewel
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Looks at x server

green elm
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a lot of other kr mmos can be f2p friendly

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as long as you put the time and effort into it

sharp crescent
green elm
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but els is just the complete opposite

sharp crescent
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this thing has 119 upvotes

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will we get any traction?

brave quiver
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Elsword isn’t tho 🤣

sharp crescent
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probably not

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lmao

tribal sentinel
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Nah

green elm
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the more time you put, the less you are rewarded because newer content gets more and more money gated

brave quiver
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In kr u can f2p its been proved but NA is so inflated u can’t

fading jewel
cobalt zealot
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raiden gonna see 1,000 messages here and just not even bother opening it

torpid hare
sharp crescent
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I just want a single message from kog lol

brave quiver
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True

sharp crescent
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hi we saw this not raiden but someone else

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LMAO

tribal sentinel
nimble lake
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let's face it even if everyone in this server made a post like this every single day and upvoted all of them to hell, nothing would change 💀

rustic thicket
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they probably won't even read this

brave quiver
rustic thicket
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you can probably post any rule breaking stuff you want in this thread

green elm
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"alright we're gonna ban feedback + suggestions" now

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🤣

hollow prism
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well there is no kog employee in this serv

brave quiver
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Storm and raiden

hollow prism
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this thread is basically just a rant to vent ppls frustration

hot fog
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I mean technically people mentioned rmt so doom

brave quiver
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I feel bad cuz they get crap from us and prob upper management but it’s just there’s nothing done here

sharp crescent
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they won’t read it lol

brave quiver
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It’s very frustrating

sharp crescent
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ngl the only way to incentivize

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kog to do anything

solid tangle
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nothings gonna change we are just riding on kr train

sharp crescent
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is to point out how much money they’re losing

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cuz of RMT

torpid hare
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we can't really blame it on Raiden or Storm, they are just the community guys, the max they can do is deliverying our feedback Kek

brave quiver
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U can tell by how much ppl are saying this is doomed

brave quiver
solid tangle
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can we get to 100 dislikes!!!

brave quiver
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But also it’s just we need to vent our frustrations somewhere and it’s kinda their jobs to forward that

rustic thicket
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we will be told in another 6 months to make a feedback thread

torpid hare
rustic thicket
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because only that is read according to them

sharp crescent
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ngl someone get brancliff to make

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a yt cid

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vid*

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🤣🤣🤣

fading jewel
brave quiver
cobalt zealot
torpid hare
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!

cobalt zealot
hot fog
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Just don't buy either

hollow prism
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LMAOO

brave quiver
fading jewel
torpid hare
fading jewel
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You know the ib after vf is broken

brave quiver
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🤣

solid tangle
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nah we need ib cost adjustments cuz 160 for a single one just aint it

sharp crescent
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ngl

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can we just racism

torpid hare
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wdym just aint it

sharp crescent
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and split the server in half

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?

solid tangle
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NOVA IMPERATOR

torpid hare
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their bank accounts like it

rustic thicket
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the most lazy way for them to fix teh game is regional pricing

nimble lake
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the powercreeping of IBS is insane, not to mention all the new designs are copy and paste ugly and can't even be used for fashion

torpid hare
hot fog
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Yeah I know, its all you meta chasers even though it's probably only like a 3-6% increase that will make your run 1min faster if even

rustic thicket
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more people would play, they'd make more money, the economy would be less bad

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int server racism already exists but the int region botters come to na instead

sharp crescent
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literally

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free games make money cuz of popularity

solid tangle
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wdym this glo guy has +12 wep + gloves and r21 exa just to get his booty touched by a +11 tene dyb

sharp crescent
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LMAO

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true

nimble lake
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LMAO

torpid hare
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elsword makes money cuz of inflation Kek

sharp crescent
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loses*

brave quiver
sharp crescent
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u just buy the ib and go back to RMTing lol

brave quiver
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You can’t change that

sharp crescent
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NA logic

brave quiver
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With how the game is structured now

solid tangle
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i need fashion

brave quiver
solid tangle
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where is my stayc collab

sharp crescent
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like if anything

nimble lake
sharp crescent
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we can’t even boycott kog

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it would have to be RMT

hot fog
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Yeah, but most of the time you don't need the ib to do better you all are already fine.

sharp crescent
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but then u just lose to RMTers

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automatically

sharp crescent
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ibs*

solid tangle
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boycotting wont work unless you quite literally get the entierety of the playerbase to just vanish

rustic thicket
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economy so bad it's impossible to compete with rmters

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kog don't see a problem

brave quiver
rustic thicket
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👍

hot fog
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Doom

solid tangle
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and then they take that as a sign to shut down the server

hollow prism
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like they say fight evil with evil so start botting ur self 200 iq

solid tangle
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ngl you know how to make your voices heard

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just post on kr forums or smth en masse

brave quiver
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Literally me and Zera had like a mental breakdown for circuits and what was done?

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Nothinggggggggg

gilded kelpBOT
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screentear has been warned

Reason: Mass emoji

brave quiver
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On suggestions

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🔥🔥🔥

green elm
nimble lake
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to this day I still have yet to drop above a .7% circuit, not to mention one that's usable. 🔥

fading jewel
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💀

brave quiver
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Wow 0.005% for 1% circuit ahahahahahahaha

fading jewel
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Hahahah

solid tangle
brave quiver
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Ahahahahahahahahahahhahaa

nimble lake
sharp crescent
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🤣🤣🤣

brave quiver
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My .8% were all useless

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🔥🔥🔥

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Literally unusable

fading jewel
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Yo yo my .6 movement speed T circuit

torpid hare
brave quiver
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.7 minimum

fading jewel
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.6 is possible

solid tangle
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buff party move speed

brave quiver
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?

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Ah

solid tangle
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regular move speed is .7 minimum

brave quiver
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Buff pt yeah then

fading jewel
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Pt mb mb

hollow prism
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so is 1% circuit

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Rarer then

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+10 chip tune

fading jewel
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I hope this helps our case with us ranting but highly doubt

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Gg gn

rustic thicket
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they don't understand that having a healthy game and more people willing to spend money makes them more money

brave quiver
rustic thicket
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than having a very small amount of big whales

brave quiver
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NA isn’t rly just NA its basically global let’s not forget that

sharp crescent
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love how my “NA server” has majority of “non NA” players when there’s an “INT server” that exists

brave quiver
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🤣

rustic thicket
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int server exists for no reason because most of our players are int anyway

fading jewel
sharp crescent
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it’s almost like INT got so bad that everyone jumped ship and killed N.A. alongside with it

green elm
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bro honestly i think you guys are all yappers

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NA is completely fine and that wasnt sacastic in the slightest!

gilded kelpBOT
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hiarella has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

sharp crescent
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bro u play KE

green elm
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?

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LMAO

brave quiver
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Dannie theyre gonna think you’re serious.

green elm
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LMAO

sharp crescent
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Danny

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NA is not ok

solid tangle
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hate danny

distant hill
sharp crescent
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u got outdmged by an alt OM

brave quiver
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Goofy

green elm
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thats necro and cyclic

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im class carried

torpid hare
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hate elboy players

green elm
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there

torpid hare
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buff MO

green elm
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?

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cyclic took your phone too?

torpid hare
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whos that

green elm
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dwai

brave quiver
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Hate elboi players

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Sm

green elm
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for those who know

fading jewel
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Real

green elm
torpid hare
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why elboi so weak

brave quiver
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Those who know 💀

torpid hare
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make it a char

distant hill
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better not to know cyclic 💀

brave quiver
torpid hare
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RM rework to Support when?

fading jewel
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💀

torpid hare
green elm
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wdym, you're an elboy player, right?

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you've been elboy for years right?

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right?

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right..?

brave quiver
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I hate that guy

torpid hare
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since i was 7 frfr

fading jewel
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Redheads smh

green elm
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bro honestly RM is pretty good rn 💀

brave quiver
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If I was still elboi I’d die of cringe

rustic thicket
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there are a lot of people who played this game when they were younger

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and come back cuz of nostalgia

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and see how bad the economy is and just leave

brave quiver
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True

rustic thicket
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they'd easily have more players if it wasnt this bad

fading jewel
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Economy so bad i just log on and daily and leave

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: )

hollow prism
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i used to play kr then got ip banned xdd

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decided to play na

brave quiver
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Economy so bad I don’t log on unless raids

torpid hare
sharp crescent
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Peter so bad he wipes when boss doesn’t attack

brave quiver
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True

rustic thicket
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peter so cool

brave quiver
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Cuz I don’t play anymore

brave quiver
past hawk
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jesus how much was even said here i wanted to backread but i cant find the beginning

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LOL

rustic thicket
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if only kog would do that

torpid hare
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go back to the first message of glo today frfr

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that's when the really good part starts

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the rest is just yapping

modest needle
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So yeah, I’m +1 with this post.

tribal sentinel
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Maybe in a couple days they'll epically send out permanent board bans on accident to try and relieve the stress off this topic

past hawk
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jay my beloved

modest needle
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Hello albaba

tribal sentinel
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Sometimes we just wake up to events we had no notice of

torpid hare
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If they dont wanna ban the ed botters, just make it that you can only trade after doing rosso gaunt in story or normal TPChuckleJustABard bots can't run raid solo

tribal sentinel
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Excellent communication skills

torpid hare
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thank you bro

fading jewel
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Keep bringing up this subject surelysleep

gilded kelpBOT
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jordaneen has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

sharp crescent
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lolololol

torpid hare
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all the bots are made in the same account? HUH

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that's new to me

inner sandal
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Can't wait for this entire discussion to be completely ignored

tender tartan
inner sandal
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And the ones burning hundreds of ibs

wary plover
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With our server lmao so whoever controls kog loves our copy paste values

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inner sandal
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So what am hearing is

tender tartan
# inner sandal That's not gonna happen either

you can't say that for sure. if it's not an organized movement then it'll happen organically as the playerbase starts fading and they just get less players that are willing to spend a lot in the game

as an example: last year there was a social movement in another game that had a terrible terrible problems with bots for about 7 years. in short, the movement itself succeeded and the company that was hosting the game started on getting rid of the bots https://save.tf/

inner sandal
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Nexon should be involved

inner sandal
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We're just the milk cows until the server completely shuts down

fading jewel
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1.00$ burners turned to 1.60$ burners

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Nice

inner sandal
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^very recent example of them not giving a single hoot

fading jewel
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Kr’s burners didn’t get adjusted did they?

wary plover
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Kr ha salwayd had better rates and when they raised the prices in kr they pretty much matched our old 1$ per ib price

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Now with our increase we are back to spending more then kr

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Again

tender tartan
# rustic thicket they don't understand that having a healthy game and more people willing to spen...

having more players to spend on the game by making stuff more accessible would certainly be a healthier environment. unfortunately the big spenders in these games can end up spending a lot, lot more than the average player. maybe even 1000 times more and this is not even an exaggeration. o_O
i know it's not elsword, but here's a report for the biggest spenders in maplestory from 2019 to 2022: https://mmos.com/news/nexon-forced-to-reveal-top-10-spenders-in-korean-maplestory-1-spent-176k-in-2022

i wouldn't be surprised if the spending distribution in the playerbase would look something similar in elsword. so sadly i imagine that if the bigger spenders consistently give them 10x more income than the average player, kog would naturally gravitate to trying to retain the whales instead of making it easier for newer players to get on board

MMOs.com
Nexon Forced to Reveal Top 10 Spenders in Korean MapleStory: #1 Spe...

In a South Korean Fair Trade Commission Report, Nexon revealed the top 10 spenders per year in the Korean version of MapleStory. This report covered randomness elements in the game, so the spending is strictly related to Cubing (rerolling bonuses on equipment). The top spender in 2022 spent a whopping $176,452. The top spender going from $27,463...

snow berry
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it d not work

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its one time wall. they can just spend 1 day and be done with it

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and actually some bots already use one shot hacks. so yes they can actually solo it

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if nexon doesnt have any involvement in NA elsword. its even more sad the fact that a company who doesnt need to focus on kr cant even give 1 minute of their so precious time to hear us

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people who can whale have 0 motivations to sell kc bcs rmt is more affordable. We have litteraly 0 bonus (dont come at me saying 100 dollar pack has 10% bonus. its practically joke). and whenever we request local pricing, we get the answer of "they abused it". so basically bcs u cant handle ur own playerbase why not punish em situation.

solid tangle
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Even if Nexon isn’t involved in NA they are involved with KR and we are basically just a copy paste of whatever KR does

snow berry
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u can fix kr patches. kr increased prices of ib bcs thats optimal there. in NA its just slap to the face. normally u can just handle exchange rates and fix it. they dont do it.

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there are solutions which is sub solutions or complete solutions. we get none of em.

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funny enough if u buy an item they are supposed to release tomorrow, u get banned. instead of apologizing and fixing situation, banning people bcs of ur own mistake is horribly laughable

solid tangle
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Should probably make another suggestion for ib prices

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1500 won for the new relic ibs in kr

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That’s just like the equivalent of 1 usd

snow berry
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I think atp this post turned out the general problem of everything about in game economy

torpid hare
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there's literally no problem in being a copy+paste of Korea game meta, dungeons, ibs, but the fact they wont even adjust the economy and kching price rate is just absurd for a server that doesnt have Nexon involved in.

snow berry
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It's more expensive than kr

torpid hare
tribal sentinel
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There won't be any price deductions

snow berry
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Do u know how many countries considered NA server

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How many of them are 2nd or 3rd world countries

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If value of currency is main logic behind pricing

torpid hare
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Lets be truly honest how many players outside of US that play in NA ICANT

snow berry
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Take avg currency value of "NA countries" or give us local pricing

tribal sentinel
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I kind of wonder their stance on the price of ibs and how hard it is to obtain them

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Wonder if they think it should be normalized for people to spend hundreds of dollars in micro transactions for items that get power creeped fast

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If it is normal

snow berry
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I can see kr stance bcs they do a lot of whaling events that motivates loading up and how their supply and demand matches with irl economy to spend.

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I cant see anything similar from NA perspective

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If u see it lemme know

wary plover
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think about it since the whole system is rng it is actaully stastically possible for someone to burn ib's and not receive a single peice if you were to pity 9/9 at 500-600 a pity it would be above 5k

solid tangle
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Spending 600 on a single pity is absolutely diabolical

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Half of that might be more acceptable

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And you know pitying is gonna be a pain because regardless you know you will end up getting shoes and gloves which gives less pity points

wary plover
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nah not even half ngl a single peice of ib shouldnt be more then 30-50 dollars at most or if it is more they need to remove ehancement or another system that's literally tied to money

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also i dont like how they divided up the increase of the pool most gatchas have all SSS rank characters atleast at 1% or characters of a certain rank at a % across those rank characters

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but nope an S rank item in an ib can have so many different %'s it's crazy and of course NA has no legal duty to show rates so who even knows if we'll even receive the increase to rates for all we know we just got a price increase with a pity system with the same values

snow berry
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Anything useful in S rank is %2.8 drop chance

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S rank is %7
Gloves 1.1%
Shoes 1.1%
Amulet lv 8 2%
7-4.2=2.8%

tribal sentinel
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Is kr public rates the same as na

snow berry
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They don't change in game thing. No?

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The rates are from new system tho

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So current ib system aka 100 ib system is different

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What I said is 160 ib system

honest briar
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Too much to read, but way up above people says "raise ED cap on trades", i disagree, it doesn't solve the issue, it's only a momentary QoL until eventually prices rocket above next cap.

For example TA ring should've never been 15b+ to begin with but here we are, let's say cap goes up to 20 bil, wait a few ib rotations and we will eventually need a new cap.

Another solution is needed imo.

torpid helm
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IB's arent the major factor with increasing ED prices, its the lack of a money sink

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the only reason why TA ring was expensive because it had specific damage type rings, when every other IB before it was just generic accs that could be used by anyone

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It was going to be more expensive that other IB's if its not a universal piece, that has nothing to do with the current economy

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We have an ed inflation because there hasnt been an account bound ED sink like imprints since literally 2020 and everything released since then can be tradable for players for profit

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Add in the fact that since mid 2023 there hasnt been any new content for players to actually sink large amounts of money into things like Harconium you maxed out the same week it released and wasnt that expensive at all

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People that grind everyday or consistently just naturally have too much money and KoG hasnt given us a direct way to burn that money for damage gains that isnt tradable

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So unless you magically have a way to remove billions of ED off legitimate players accounts without pissing them off with something like an ED wipe while "normalizing" ED rates literally overnight to how they were in 2020

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Increasing the ED is a valid long term solution people shouldnt be jumping through hoops at the risk of being scammed to get as something as basic as a +11 let alone selling challenge mode forces

honest briar
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For example, Battle Pass literally dispenses tickets to avoid some ED costs.
We got premium market ticket to reduce taxes.
KoG thesmelves sells means to mitigate ED sinks.

As it is, not only, but especially because of bots we generate more ED daily than the community manages to get rid of.

Adding even more ED sinks won't do any good in the long run. There are players who are upwards 90b+, some with a bit lower at 20b+ Do you think a couple of more ED sinks would help? It will just make newer players have a harder time to progress.

It's still a case of rich will stay rich while those who aren't won't.

torpid helm
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Not every system that costs ED is an ED sink.

honest briar
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Just saying, simply adding more ED sinks won't solve the issue.
Yes more ED will be removed over time, but it's not enough to stop how much ED is being generated on a daily basis.

For starters, the bot issue needs to be handled.

torpid helm
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^

torpid helm
# honest briar For example, Battle Pass literally dispenses tickets to avoid some ED costs. We ...

New players quite literally get a disney fast pass through months of progression and basic gear for free all from playing for 1-2 weeks. Just like imprints it was an ED sink for end game players to get min maxed damage gains while not making a lick of difference for everyone else. No mid game player is saying "Darn, I really need to save these imprint stones to dumb billions of ED into for minimal damage gains" They literally sold them on the board and the end game players used those stones and sunk 10's of billions of ED into getting perfect lines for a minimal damage gain. And unlike everything else rn this was something for your weapon, the 1 piece of gear thats guaranteed to be untradable unlike armor

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If a new ED sink is implemented properly literally nobody but the end game players would have to worry about it nobody that couldnt dps cared about imprints outside of CP cheesing

honest briar
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Nobody cares about "Jimmy" farming ed. Players aren't the fault, it's the bots. A player farming is his own effort, i salute the player who managed to farm 100+b raw ed without botting.

Players usually takes other means to get their own ED by selling items instead such as
(but not only) Baryons furs, abyss stones, KC, KC items, Secret manual (hello day 1 for 2 bil.)

And selling items for profit suggests there is already a pool to collect ED from, which is already generated from someone else.

torpid helm
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you seem to severely underestimate the amount of players thats been farming since mid 2023 without anything to spend their money on

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let alone players that get lucky from challenge mode and instantly get 50b from dropping a rare force

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and theres certain players that dropped 3+ of the same force so 💀

honest briar
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During 2013~2014 there was a duplication some players abused in the old market system that allowed players to duplicate and sell El Shards for ED, and KOG decided to not roll back the servers, and soon after we had a KC rate of 100:100.

torpid helm
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again, bots or no bots legitimate players in general just have too much money

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mystics.... werent in the game in 2014

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🤨

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unless you mean 2018

honest briar
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Oh let me change that - to a squiggle so you can understand i estimated the year because i could'nt remember an exact time and date.

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Oh i see my error, i meant el shards 🙂

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Assuming i got the years wrong, it still happened during old market system, and kc rate 100:100 happened way before 2020, so i don't know what to tell you, it's not like the total ED pool was reset.

And i'm still telling you, adding more ED sinks won't solve this issue. We already got players willing to resort to RMT.

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What KoG could do is to set a min and a max price on every single available item, and from there adjust prices accordingly as the economy goes, but it would still account on bots being taken care of on a regular basis and disable regular trading/mailing items/gifting <-because these things are still means for RMT.

And nobody would want such a system.

(I am open for it though, it worked for another game i played, RMT was still a thing in that game though)

rustic thicket
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south korean economy is not a valid excuse for us having such higher prices

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their economy is not that much worse

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if they properly converted it our prices would be way lower

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do they think we are stupid?

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do they honestly think south kr economy is that bad where our stuff is priced way higher

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it's just straight up disingenuous to say that

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raiden works for a kr company but doesn't know kr wages?

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even if it was a valid argument it's clear it isn't working and something has to be done

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but they'd rather keep copy pasting kr server stuff to us than put any effort in to keep more players and make more money

hardy hollow
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Bottings the main issue but not like NA is doing anything about it at the moment

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ban one bot and another account just pops up

honest briar
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Exactly what i said, RMT was still a thing in that game. But also, RMT can never be completely eradicated.

rustic thicket
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can we get VN region pricing since half the players are VN anyway

ripe fog
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Visual Novel

modest needle
spark aurora
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And easiest way to counter that is well ... The credit card

honest briar
spark aurora
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Well it's part of a solution

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But it's missing the glue to not make it fall apart

rustic thicket
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anything is better than how it is now

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anything that could help even a little bit

full cypress
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The avg player will still struggle if nothing's done about this, NA isn't going to tackle the botting issue so ED will still have no actual buying power. There's literally too much ED in circulation so an ED sink is the only way NA itself can start any repair to its already overinflated economy 💀

spark aurora
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your just making the problem worse if all you do is take

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sure ED will gain more buying power but they will also have disproportionally less ED to actually use and not in their favor

minor timber
minor timber
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Ok read all...1440 messages in this thread.

Let's keep TOU breaking discussions down to a minimum. People doing it, submit it it to CS. We'll handle it from there. It's not to be discussed on the server and all of you know this.

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Many of you older players probably remember when ED:KC prices were insane back around 2015-2017, and there were no ED sinks at the time either. And this was back with a 1b ED cap. Some people were suggesting an ED wipe back then too, and it never happened. People were thinking it was a bad idea then too.

In the present now. I get how an ED wipe can help with the situation but it also creates a new issue. as someone else mentioned, a lot of the people in the Endgame are farming and farming and farming up their ED too. Being at that point means getting more and more ED will be faster, and it will primarily hurt those who aren't near there.

A preventive measure on bots can be helpful. Someone suggested Varnimyr Raid clears. Story can be soloed, but Normal difficulty would require teams. While it's not a full on stop, it's a deterent. However, it does mean new characters/players will not have access to trading until they complete it, which can be frustrating.

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Keep the ideas coming. If what happened yesterday is what it takes to get you people to step up and do this then we...ok nevermind doing it more is just going to make it worse.

sharp crescent
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and it's at the point where removing ed sources will just tank the market entirely

sharp crescent
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which are account wide limited

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players will get more ed in comparison to bots if they even do complete weekly missions

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because majority of bots level from 0 to 99 for ed

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if u look at it this way this also functions as a deterrent to said bots

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as bots do not touch anything above elysion

brave quiver
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Also pls bring back regional pricing, yes it’ll hurt in short run but over time even if it’s abused it just means more and more money flows and our ED:KC rates gets fixed due to way more supply because right now we are on INT levels of ED:KC rates which is ???

flat spade
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beter

tender tartan
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i think the initial suggestion is very reasonable: it's a simple enough change that can be implemented by tweaking some numbers (at least hopefully the backend makes it that easy o_o), the number increase can incentivize players to try to get stronger and prepare for harder content that rewards them better and doesn't negatively impact newcomers like other ideas that have been throw in the thread (i.e. varn raid restriction)

if it ends up impacting the game negatively, i reiterate that it's a simple enough value edit that (hopefully) can be changed easily, like the one time the price for the elstar 2 items in the shop had to be corrected o_o https://elsword.koggames.com/2024/12/price-modification-on-new-elstar-2-packages/

personally i think it's better than just doing nothing at all and letting things go from bad to worse

brave quiver
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Yeah solving the botted ED issue is really hard, there’s way too much in circulation so lol, otherwise like increasing our weekly missions etc would help a lot

hardy hollow
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Make regional pricing so I can have my currency still be better then peters

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and lower prices frfr

brave quiver
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:(

tribal sequoia
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What technically make bot will stop farm after level 99 tho

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I mean

flat spade
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beter fund me

tribal sequoia
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It literally just script of wipe map and teleport

flat spade
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bots tend to not go anywhere above elrianode at best

brave quiver
hardy hollow
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maybe they cheat in erp as well unless that doesn't exist

tribal sequoia
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Regional price is nice, I can't really afford INT price due to high tax + my currency is not strong to begin with

tribal sequoia
hardy hollow
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yeah ik that stat cheats exist

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dont see a reason they would put 400 erp when you can one shot everything and tp

tribal sequoia
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We not have erp lock requirements so erp not important too

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The only reason why bot appear more at Elrianode and below more I think it because less players in there area => less report

hardy hollow
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only real way to cut it would be a phone number tied to a account or id like kr

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good luck having that happen with the game though

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even Raiden said that its not feasible

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before

tribal sequoia
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You can implement that in INT either

brave quiver
hardy hollow
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surely this capcha will stop them

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🤣

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literally simple as

  1. make random gmail
  2. sign up with google
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and its done

flat spade
tribal sequoia
brave quiver
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40% bonus…????

tribal sequoia
hardy hollow
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Maybe they can increase the trade / mailing limit for making a new character to a few more days

brave quiver
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What the heckkkkkk

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NA only gets 10% more with PayPal

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still isn’t worth cuz aha cad conversion aha

hardy hollow
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would slow down the ed generation from the bots but it'll have to correlate to shared bank somehow

tribal sequoia
brave quiver
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I could’ve easily dropped over 1k last 1-2 months

tribal sequoia
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And most country not in NA region have low avenue income to begin with so good luck

brave quiver
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I didn’t yk why? No regional pricing

hardy hollow
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Could also make it so that if a account has abnormal amount of character creation and deletion then they have a increased or stacking debuff

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for trade / mailing / bank hold

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idk if they track that tho

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oh I thought they deleted

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probably before the ep nerf to story

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😔

tender tartan
# minor timber Many of you older players probably remember when ED:KC prices were insane back a...

A preventive measure on bots can be helpful.
i understand that dealing with bots can be a PITA task, but trying to maintain a healthy economy is also part of what you sign up for when you want to manage a game

i can agree that this is not a very effective use of time: but assigning some time of the day to manually nuke botted accounts while trying to come up with a more permanent solution would do wonders rn. if this is already the case a news post with info regarding the banned accounts would help placate the community that keeps on saying that y'all ain't doing anything o_o

just as you keep telling us to not lose heart and continue providing suggestions on how to improve the game you shouldn't lose heart and keep on trying to maintain the game healthy. trying to keep active communication and being transparent with your community goes a long way!

hardy hollow
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ngl just have kog sell the ed themselves for cash

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less profit surely means less bots

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frfr

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script change aint gonna save those bots from kog selling ed for their own profit

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😈

tribal sequoia
tribal sequoia
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No

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Actually

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Depend on amount of ed

torpid hare
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Just add something to mall saying “ED” and limit it to each account, done 👍

brave quiver
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Hey man Ed and KC rates were pretty good when we had Argentina pricing

tribal sequoia
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That sound not practical at all

brave quiver
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And I’m sure they made so much bank even tho it was so much less money they were getting every 10k kc

hardy hollow
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would a selling ed for kc actually lock the rate or no

brave quiver
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I do miss the 15:100 days

hardy hollow
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since lets you say kog sells 1b for 5$

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then 500 kc would probably be locked to whatever the price is

brave quiver
hardy hollow
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we dont need argentina

brave quiver
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Not even

hardy hollow
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😈

brave quiver
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Just bring regional pricing

minor timber
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It was mentioned yesterday but Thor, former developer at Blizzard who also had experience with it during the WOW days, has even mentioned that even if you stop them, more and more come back. Having said that, doesn't mean we're just going to ignore the problem, but we will take actions.

In the case of these 400 ERP ones, if they're getting that far then there's something happening, like how fast are they doing it or if people are even reporting them.

brave quiver
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It gets abused sure but in the long run it’s more people spending money

brave quiver
torpid hare
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Yea, we broke in Portugal, can I have a cheaper kc rating? thanks!

minor timber
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Would of had that sent like 20 minutes ago but I got into a discussion with someone in the office that took me away for a bit 😅

hardy hollow
brave quiver
hardy hollow
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only reason its happening is cause its so profitable

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for the people doing it anyway

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full time wage playing elsword is crazy prob

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😭

brave quiver
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😭

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The viets can’t be stopped

hardy hollow
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Regional pricing will stop them

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less need to buy ED if you can get 100 ibs for 20$

brave quiver
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Regional pricing will honestly

hardy hollow
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so just gamble fr fr

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🔥

brave quiver
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Well will help

minor timber
tribal sequoia
brave quiver
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Epic seven and some other games do it as well, at least state how many accs get banned weekly/monthly

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And for what reason

torpid hare
brave quiver
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Where’s the knifetricks screenshots

tender tartan
hardy hollow
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everyone already knows if they just look at the main chat every once in a while

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😭

tribal sequoia
brave quiver
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I love seeing ahshdisne1-10 get level 99 all at the same time

hardy hollow
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get on your knees for regional pricing bro

rustic thicket
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even if bots are unstoppable there are still things kog can do to make the economy better in spite of it, but players are tired of seeing no action get taken in this regard too

brave quiver
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If els gets regional pricing I’d literally drop $100 cad rn

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Maybe even 500

rustic thicket
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it's hard to take kog seriously on botting measures when a well known botter/ed seller/amulet seller gets banned and unbanned

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and there are definitely ways you can deal with it considering it's known many of the ed sellers use the same paypal account

brave quiver
rustic thicket
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they use a US paypal account from vietnam which can be reported to paypal

hardy hollow
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🤣

rustic thicket
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they share paypal and use the wrong region to get around extra fees

brave quiver
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Like lol

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minor timber
tender tartan
hardy hollow
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@minor timber any thoughts on regional pricing or is that completely off the tables

rustic thicket
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the NA/INT servers being separate makes not much sense atm too, considering I'd guess a large amount of NA players are from the INT region

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and this should be taken into consideration

torpid hare
minor timber
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Realistically nothing is off the table

rustic thicket
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people always joke about how NA being elsword VN instead

brave quiver
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I would really like to see regional pricing, loading up is literally unsustainable for me

rustic thicket
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a very large portion of NA players are not NA

brave quiver
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And yeah a lot of NA players aren’t from NA, USD is strong rn as well so a lot of other countries don’t have the means to load up

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Same with INT

rustic thicket
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people got tired of how bad it is on INT and came to NA

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even though it's likely against some rules since they sign up with VPN etc

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rn NA is basically INT 2

tender tartan
hardy hollow
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fingers crossed on regional pricing if its not off the table

rustic thicket
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even if nothing can be done against the bots, like I said there are things that kog can do to make the economy tolerable and improve things in spite of them

hardy hollow
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🤞

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would fix ibs being ridiculously overpriced

rustic thicket
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if the economy was taken seriously by kog more players would definitely play

gilded kelpBOT
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reggie_. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

rustic thicket
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you see people returning all the time with nostalgia and they can't stay because of how bad it is

hardy hollow
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and fix the bad kc rates

rustic thicket
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elsword has a big advantage in getting more players because so many played years ago and come back to see how things are

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but they always see it's in an unplayable state for new players

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and leave

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and this is an NA/INT specific issue

hardy hollow
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Leaves elsword for 5 years -> comes back -> still the same and bye bye

hollow prism
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but they did give +11 wep which was able to make me progress doe

rustic thicket
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+11 2 generations old weapon

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we getting new wep in 1-2 months

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and vos is already only early game

timid fern
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just a bandaid solution to core problems stopping ppl from progressing naturally

tender tartan
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tbh vos is still poppin

brave quiver
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fr

tender tartan
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i've seen a +12 vos user that be taking names

tribal sequoia
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Too bad for them I guess

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For NA and INT, is safe to said we need specific measure to deal with our economy

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But do we trust KoG to implement that

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Is another can of worm I dont really want to discussion

snow berry
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I m not even sure do we have anti cheat system in elsword or is it completely based on someone see someone report someone gets banned system

brave quiver
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theres anticheat

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xigncode

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

snow berry
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Then it's slow and needs update

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U can slow down bots by litteraly making story ed 0 and giving the said ed by other means aka weeklies or sd. Bcs its a fact that majority of bots don't go above story

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The one that goes above story generally use wipe cheats which anti cheat should detect

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And u can implement ed sinks without making newbie players suffer. Make chlorites itself ed sinks

proud kelp
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smooth out game progression by making actually getting to the later regions much less of a slog without having to rely on trading items and market obsessing.
actually build the solutions into doing gameplay stuff at a reasonable pace and ensuring people can actually play the game in its entirety.
which is to say: make the market entirely optional for actually getting through the game and leave participation in it to cosmetics and other side things.

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making funds management and economy monitoring this integral to progression will only further the idea that the "game" has become a job that people will want to get away from.

flat spade
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if you dont want to trade and actually use the market maybe an mmo isnt the game for you

snow berry
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Problem isn't the necessary use of market. It's mmo, not solo story game.

flat spade
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if you want the usage of market to be a "side thing" play a console game or anything that isnt an mmo

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like a gacha game or something

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usage of the market in an mmo is integral to the idea of an mmo

tribal sequoia
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And I think progressing is a bit too out topic for this thread as well

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We are talking about smoother market? Aren't it?

sharp crescent
tribal sentinel
sharp crescent
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this is because the main problem is the fact that there's too much ed etc

spark aurora
sharp crescent
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it’s such a hassle and majority of bots can’t abuse

spark aurora
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Even that isnt safe

inner sandal
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The absolute majority of bots aren't gonna be doing berthe+ weekly missions and especially not the latter sds

sharp crescent
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it's gonna be more proportionate to the players

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compared to the bots

snow berry
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Majority of the bots does story

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Even if story ed is nerfed a lot its still something x amount of bots exist

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And bcs story is a place where majority of normal players dont do. We can only report after seeing lv 99 achieved message

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The moment u make all the ed income 0 from story and funnel all of it to weeklies. Story bots die

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The other bots who does the mid game content uses cheats to be able to do them which anti cheat should cover that problem

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Even if this d not solve 100% of the bot problem. It solves some part of it which helps the game economy

gleaming nest
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Nerf or just straight up remove ED gain then, make the problem as minimum as it can get

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lol

dark apex
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Let’s just jam in an in game captcha for characters below 3rd job 😂

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Failure to answer in 1 min bans acc for 24 hrs and the time just ramps up lol

honest briar
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But bots bypasses captchas in other games.

modest needle
spark aurora
glass mountain
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no1 knows botting more than us osrs players 🤣 🤣

cobalt zealot
tribal sequoia
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Treasure chest wipe until Prui is overtuned. A lot player still farm trost yk

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Wipe to Elrianode is better

spark aurora
tribal sequoia
austere sluice
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Lara etc are pretty right in a way.

EP is gained via story quests and X per run AFTER 99(no more than 10) until pruinaum. in the future this will also encompass prui outskirts/tirnog as the game goes on but thats far off.

No ED is given from Quests only EP.

Items such as mystic/reforge ED exemption tickets can be bought from the EP shop. 300 weekly limit to start, tickets are timed. cost is 2 EP per ticket making it 1:1 right now.

EP cost is increased upon completing "Entering Region" quest after tirnog.

All EP shop items are locked. no way around this they have to be locked if an influx of EP is introduced. there will be exceptions on most items but this clause is in place for futureproofing.

All weapons and armor come with 6% and 4% crit/maximize values. Or an EP socketing package that costs 50EP and gives 10m ED per account(vs 40m per character from story) either or both should solve socketing.

Since they are already adding EP shop adaptation accessories This solves the problem of needing adaptation accessories. As for agate fragment boosting CP I need ideas but we can see on the EP shop update.

As for Laby~lithia, the EP difference is quite much so those characters will have additional Side quests AFTER lvl 99 so upon reaching level 99 every character will have the same total EP amount.

New Repeatable Quests also have an account limit based on the rewards. the quests will take place in elrianode~Rigomor.

chloe chest wipe but including varnimyr.

Each character will have a bankshare ED withdrawal Lock requiring a quest completion and a phoru guide stage completion. This will prevent giving ED to lower characters. Im not sure about this though. generally you give all ED to the main so i was thinking the opposite might have an hidden abuse feature.

I will post this as a separate suggestion as well after i get some cursory feedback. thought about combatting 70% of bots while not screwing the new player.

ripe fog